Yes, Excuses, excuses, excuses...I swear if you research Mugabe's entire life including every word he spoke he never even once admitted to any failure whatsoever. I beg anyone to come forward with just the tiniest admission of fault on his part. Sorry to say the man was an evil disaster.
8:30 she was spot on. Education, health, law and order everything is sewage now, beyond deteriorated it’s a pity ZANU they control by threatening people which shows they have no support
The sound is warped in a very odd way. Great insight on the subject nonetheless! 10:02 - Wiser words have never been spoken. He is spot on with everything he says. Central and Southern Africans for some reason always blame colonialism for every problem they have. They don't acknowledge that they were living in mud huts and playing with rocks, less than two centuries ago. Peoples all around the globe were miles ahead of them in every aspect of life. Hell, the tribal peoples of the Americas were on an entirely different level a *millennia* ago compared to mid 19th century Central and Southern Africa! Appreciate the fact that you have been able to reproduce astronomically and that you have access to education and heath care.
"they want to enjoy the riches previously denied to them" = technically accurate of course but it's worth remembering that there were affluent, wealthy black Rhodesian business owners (some purportedly millionaires) happily thriving pre-independence.....
Yes, there were some wealthy blacks in Rhodesia and there were also affluent blacks in apartheid South Africa as well. Indeed, one street in Soweto was nicknamed “millionaires’ row” because the houses were so large.
@@glendodds3824 May I disagree with you? From April 1974 to November 1978 South Africa wanted nothing to do with Rhodesia. They sent troops to the country at the beginning of the Bush War, because they obviously didn't want a communist country on their border, but as soon as Portugal pulled out of their colonies, John Vorster understood that if he was going to continue to actively support Rhodesia, the international community would start to denounce Apartheid, which they weren't quite doing yet, by 1974. By mid-1975 there were no more SADF troops on Rhodesia and the only help South Africa was providing to the Rhodesians was allowing them to import goods through South African ports. This policy changed, when in late October of 1978, PW Botha became prime minister. Botha pursued a much more active campaign against the enemies of South Africa, which included sending military aid to Rhodesia, to try and at least prolong the Bush War. In fact, even after the Lancaster House talks had begun, in September of 1979, South Africa still continued sending equipment and soldiers to Zimbabwe-Rhodesia, and only pulled out the soldiers in December 1979. Only after Mugabe "won" the April 1980 election did the South Africans stop sending weapons to the country At this point it is important to note that the process that brought to the transformation of Rhodesia into Zimbabwe-Rhodesia, in May and June of 1979, was already defined more than a year prior, with the internal settlement of March, 1978. This settlement came in place after three months of talks, from December 1977 to March 1978, between the Smith government and moderate oppositionists, led by bishop Muzorewa and pastor Sithole. The internal settlement defined a period of one year, during which a provisional council would share power with the Smith government (April 1978-April 1979), followed by elections open to the whole adult population, which would have brought to a new equal and, hopefully, recognised government. South Africa had no hand in all of this, as the talks happened during the period of South African separation from Rhodesia, which brings to the conclusion that only the Smith government were responsible for the transition to Zimbabwe-Rhodesia. It is also worth noting that talks with the opposition were started by the failure of the Geneva conference, an affair in which South Africa had no part.
Whole of Africa people are outwardly proud of their developments & achievements but given a chance or the choice 80% would rather escape Africa & come to live in free "colonial" Europe including UK No of Europeans settling in "golden sunny" friendly Africa =2 per year, no of Africans settling in "miserable cold polluted" unfriendly colonial Europe =20000 per year. Doesn't it say a lot about independence.
Exactly...I would love for a black nationalist sociologist or similar to explain this phenomenon in simple terms, not some pious, verbose, bloviating spiel.
@@jimmycricket5366 Europe is more developed than Africa. This doesn't mean Africans want their homes to be ruled by aliens. How is this hard to understand?
@@ayodejiolowokere1076 Yes, but it's been decades since the last African country was handed over to majority black rule and yet the excuses and ranting and blame game continues to this very day by many from African countries... Why does a black child growing up or born in Europe today, and whose parents left Africa for greener pastures, have equal (if not preferential) opportunity ahead for his life whereas a white child born, perhaps even after several generations, in Africa is treated as a second rate citizen? Surely that's hypocrisy? Also, my question in concert with the A2A, was regarding why those old nationalists who perpetually spout the evils of the Europeans are frequently to be found spouting their vitriol from the comfort of the country of their erstwhile European nemesis, who they will secretly admit treat people of all races 200 times better than their own leaders back in Africa. Can't you see the irony in that??? Let me give you some kind of analogy so that you can see the irony.... Let's say a guy called Bob is forever warning people against the dangers of milk and dairy products but when Bob dies suddenly of a heart attack his relatives go a few days later to clean up his house and all they find in the refrigerator is lots of milk, cheeses and ice-cream and almost nothing else. I don't mean to sound condescending, but perhaps if I spell it out it will prompt an answer the question, because I notice that this type of question is often asked but hardly ever answered in a straight and honest way... I repeat, why are the most vitriolic and vociferous haters of colonialism and/or the white man to be found firmly settled and invested in the very land of their enemies whom they claim oppress them? Thank you.
@@jimmycricket5366 totally changed goalposts. Nobody rants about Europe and that's not what you or the original poster talked about. Both of you were commenting on how Africans go to Europe but Europeans don't travel to Africa. It's because Europe is more developed than Africa. What does that have to do with colonial or settler rule? Even if corrupt politicians have homes in Western countries, what does that have to do with any of what you typed?
That 15 million is questionable. It counts people who no longer live in Zimbabwe for the simple fact that many have yet to formally renounce their citizenship. Many children born outside the country also obtain Zimbabwean documents. The low number of whites dates stem from mass emigration, many whites were not sure how things would turn out. When I started school in 1983, there were only five black pupils in my class. By the time I completed grade 7, there were two white pupils. I suspect that due to mass emigration and the AIDS epidemic, the Zimbabwean population has not grown much since the 1990s.
I was born in 1976, so I only know Zimbabwe. One day, around 1996, I was walking on First Street with my father when I noticed a small crowd of Black people cheering and jostling to shake hands with an elderly white man as he emerged from a shop, as if he was a celebrity. "Who's that?" I asked my father. "Don't you know who that is? Ian Smith, of course!" "The Ian Smith? But, he has no bodyguards And all those Black people shaking his hand, I thought he was the bad guy?" My father smiled. "You have a lot to learn, son." Today, more and more people are revisiting history and asking themselves if the Internal Settlement had been the better option because it now looks like Mugabe was not as interested in Black majority rule, decolonisation or whatever you may wish to call it as he was in decisively winning over all his perceived enemies (including other nationalists).
Despite what the media said, he was actually well liked in Zimbabwe because people knew he ran the country for the benefit of all rather than just for some cronies or to enrich himself.
Smithy had his faults, no error, but I've never heard him derided in private conversation with blacks other than politicos... people aren't stupid and when they see the ruin that Mugabe and ZANU PF created, they aren't blind to it. 👍
Mr Smith overstates the standard of education of Africans. Whilst there were many primary schools for Africans where originally (prior to white settlement) there had been none, up to the late 1970s very few Africans had any access to secondary schooling. This changed after 1980 when the number of African children who could hope to attend secondary school doubled and continued to grow. But in the long run this post-1980 improvement was not to endure.
@@SouthernGroundThanks for your ignorant comment. In my limited experience of teaching (both Caucasian/white and African/black) Zimbabweans mathematics and tropical science and A-level physics between 1981-1984, as a rule they (both Caucasians and Africans) made superior students to what I found in Western Samoa 1986-1987 and what I would have encountered in Australia at any time in the past five decades. One of my 14 A-level physics students in Masvingo (an African) now has a Ph D in earth sciences and is on the faculty at Athabasca University in Alberta, Canada. Caveat: I am not sure about the academic credentials or bona fides of Athabasca as it does not appear to be a traditional "sandstone" university.
@@robertisham5279 Collors should be colors or colours. I have never met Mr Mugabe, but as a sweeping generalisation babies are not born corrupt, and that covers Mr Mugabe as well, corruption is a learnt character trait. . You can find some video of Mr Mugabe in the early 1960s on TH-cam. I mean you can find video of Mr Mugabe in his nicer guise, and this idealistic younger guise perhaps was not an act on his part. . I was in Harare the day ZANU PF headquarters was blown up in 1981, which is one of many incidents that may have contributed to Mr Mugabe's subsequent descent into despotism. Although the word despot does not catch the nuance of a government in reality losing control of itself and an internal faction such as the war veterans.
Enjoy your freedom and democrazy. Rhodesian Dollar was stronger than SA Rand, which was stronger than US Dollar. Rhodesia exported huge amount food every year. People had jobs and much better quality life. Suck it up Buttercup, you made your choice.
What a wonderful thing colonialism has been for these people (Africans). Before white man came to Africa there is no such thing as a school or hospital, no commerce & industry these people were decimated year after year by preventable diseases Now they have increase in population for the past 20-30 years -Ian Smith, former rhodesia president First, ian Smith says he is rhodesian and blacks are rhodesian as well, who are "these people' he is referring to. Secondly, colonialists came to Africa primarily to collect cheap raw materials, resources for his industries in Europe & else where, where possible have a good tropical life and cheap labour. I wonder if mr smith would have same standard of living he had in rhodesia if he moved back to Britain. Europeans have little regard for an African life hence slavery, Apartheid, white minority rule, institutionalised racism and so on. Africa had traditional transfer of agricultural & mining methods: imu oru(schools); our herbs and gardens supply all medicines we needed before Europeans started the using books. I won't reply him on commerce no need. Those that are leaving Zimbabwe are going to South Africa another 'uncivilised' African land when the option of going to 'civilised' Britain is there. Hmmm!
Rhodesia became a self governed British colony in 1923 , much like NewZealand and Australia - meaning , all the proceeds from its natural resources and agriculture were ploughed into the infrastructure and growth of the economy…. Britain had no say in the governance of Rhodesia from 1923 - 1979
If i'm not mistaken zimbabwe was a trading center for amongst other things, slaves. It was the seat of the kingdom (or king) of monamotapa. The architecture & building method is strikingly similar to sites in Sri Lanka apparently.Traders from Arabia would travel up river along, for instance, the sabi. The bronze mooring rings were noted by archaeologists.
@Katherine Sparkes i am fully aware it's delusional it was a typing error. Ian Smith said never in a 1000 years will there be black governance he was a bigot who suppressed the natives treated us like second class citizens no different from apartheid in South Africa or the jim crow era in America. I say he's delusional for him saying that colonialism was a gift to us?? Who the natives you came and forced us to reserves that are desolate you segregated us for a 100 years both socially and economically. I call it BS
@@daryllvictor806don't use English as a gadget of intelligence or civility. It's just another language. It's a shame when the white people were there, they couldn't speak shona or ndebele but made africans obligated to speak in English.
He blamed the West for his failure right from the start. 1:06
Well no, if you pay attention the (british) narrator was the one who blamed the west, and then he went on to explain why.
What about all that aid he got from the Communist bloc east?
@@solarlaw887 The narrator is clearly quoting Mugabe
Yes, Excuses, excuses, excuses...I swear if you research Mugabe's entire life including every word he spoke he never even once admitted to any failure whatsoever. I beg anyone to come forward with just the tiniest admission of fault on his part. Sorry to say the man was an evil disaster.
@@impsimp in an offshore bank account waiting to be spent on a new mansion
8:30 she was spot on. Education, health, law and order everything is sewage now, beyond deteriorated it’s a pity ZANU they control by threatening people which shows they have no support
The sound is warped in a very odd way. Great insight on the subject nonetheless!
10:02 - Wiser words have never been spoken. He is spot on with everything he says. Central and Southern Africans for some reason always blame colonialism for every problem they have. They don't acknowledge that they were living in mud huts and playing with rocks, less than two centuries ago. Peoples all around the globe were miles ahead of them in every aspect of life. Hell, the tribal peoples of the Americas were on an entirely different level a *millennia* ago compared to mid 19th century Central and Southern Africa!
Appreciate the fact that you have been able to reproduce astronomically and that you have access to education and heath care.
"they want to enjoy the riches previously denied to them" = technically accurate of course but it's worth remembering that there were affluent, wealthy black Rhodesian business owners (some purportedly millionaires) happily thriving pre-independence.....
Yes, there were some wealthy blacks in Rhodesia and there were also affluent blacks in apartheid South Africa as well. Indeed, one street in Soweto was nicknamed “millionaires’ row” because the houses were so large.
A better counter argument would be a mention of Zimbabwe-Rhodesia, a country with majority rule established by none other than the White Rhodesians.
South Africa played a major role in the events that led to the existence of Zimbabwe Rhodesia.
@@glendodds3824 May I disagree with you? From April 1974 to November 1978 South Africa wanted nothing to do with Rhodesia.
They sent troops to the country at the beginning of the Bush War, because they obviously didn't want a communist country on their border, but as soon as Portugal pulled out of their colonies, John Vorster understood that if he was going to continue to actively support Rhodesia, the international community would start to denounce Apartheid, which they weren't quite doing yet, by 1974. By mid-1975 there were no more SADF troops on Rhodesia and the only help South Africa was providing to the Rhodesians was allowing them to import goods through South African ports. This policy changed, when in late October of 1978, PW Botha became prime minister.
Botha pursued a much more active campaign against the enemies of South Africa, which included sending military aid to Rhodesia, to try and at least prolong the Bush War. In fact, even after the Lancaster House talks had begun, in September of 1979, South Africa still continued sending equipment and soldiers to Zimbabwe-Rhodesia, and only pulled out the soldiers in December 1979. Only after Mugabe "won" the April 1980 election did the South Africans stop sending weapons to the country
At this point it is important to note that the process that brought to the transformation of Rhodesia into Zimbabwe-Rhodesia, in May and June of 1979, was already defined more than a year prior, with the internal settlement of March, 1978. This settlement came in place after three months of talks, from December 1977 to March 1978, between the Smith government and moderate oppositionists, led by bishop Muzorewa and pastor Sithole.
The internal settlement defined a period of one year, during which a provisional council would share power with the Smith government (April 1978-April 1979), followed by elections open to the whole adult population, which would have brought to a new equal and, hopefully, recognised government. South Africa had no hand in all of this, as the talks happened during the period of South African separation from Rhodesia, which brings to the conclusion that only the Smith government were responsible for the transition to Zimbabwe-Rhodesia.
It is also worth noting that talks with the opposition were started by the failure of the Geneva conference, an affair in which South Africa had no part.
8:30 and she was absolutely correct.
was the sound edited on a potato?
Whole of Africa people are outwardly proud of their developments & achievements but given a chance or the choice 80% would rather escape Africa & come to live in free "colonial" Europe including UK
No of Europeans settling in "golden sunny" friendly Africa =2 per year, no of Africans settling in "miserable cold polluted" unfriendly colonial Europe =20000 per year. Doesn't it say a lot about independence.
Exactly...I would love for a black nationalist sociologist or similar to explain this phenomenon in simple terms, not some pious, verbose, bloviating spiel.
@@jimmycricket5366 Europe is more developed than Africa. This doesn't mean Africans want their homes to be ruled by aliens.
How is this hard to understand?
It says Africa is mismanaged not that independence agitation wasn't justified.
@@ayodejiolowokere1076 Yes, but it's been decades since the last African country was handed over to majority black rule and yet the excuses and ranting and blame game continues to this very day by many from African countries... Why does a black child growing up or born in Europe today, and whose parents left Africa for greener pastures, have equal (if not preferential) opportunity ahead for his life whereas a white child born, perhaps even after several generations, in Africa is treated as a second rate citizen? Surely that's hypocrisy?
Also, my question in concert with the A2A, was regarding why those old nationalists who perpetually spout the evils of the Europeans are frequently to be found spouting their vitriol from the comfort of the country of their erstwhile European nemesis, who they will secretly admit treat people of all races 200 times better than their own leaders back in Africa. Can't you see the irony in that???
Let me give you some kind of analogy so that you can see the irony.... Let's say a guy called Bob is forever warning people against the dangers of milk and dairy products but when Bob dies suddenly of a heart attack his relatives go a few days later to clean up his house and all they find in the refrigerator is lots of milk, cheeses and ice-cream and almost nothing else. I don't mean to sound condescending, but perhaps if I spell it out it will prompt an answer the question, because I notice that this type of question is often asked but hardly ever answered in a straight and honest way... I repeat, why are the most vitriolic and vociferous haters of colonialism and/or the white man to be found firmly settled and invested in the very land of their enemies whom they claim oppress them? Thank you.
@@jimmycricket5366 totally changed goalposts. Nobody rants about Europe and that's not what you or the original poster talked about. Both of you were commenting on how Africans go to Europe but Europeans don't travel to Africa. It's because Europe is more developed than Africa. What does that have to do with colonial or settler rule? Even if corrupt politicians have homes in Western countries, what does that have to do with any of what you typed?
In 1980 there were 250,000 whites in Rhodesia and 5 million blacks. There are now 40,000 whites and 15 million blacks in Zimbabwe. Explain.
No discipline
Population growth and people who could afford to leave jumped a sinking ship
That 15 million is questionable. It counts people who no longer live in Zimbabwe for the simple fact that many have yet to formally renounce their citizenship. Many children born outside the country also obtain Zimbabwean documents. The low number of whites dates stem from mass emigration, many whites were not sure how things would turn out. When I started school in 1983, there were only five black pupils in my class. By the time I completed grade 7, there were two white pupils. I suspect that due to mass emigration and the AIDS epidemic, the Zimbabwean population has not grown much since the 1990s.
Because its not your continent
Whites left when government representation became proportionate to ethnic composition.
all i can say is TRAGIC
Bring Back Rhodesia
#EaTaDiYqKc
is Ian Smith viewed favorably today in Zimbabwe?
I wished!
I was born in 1976, so I only know Zimbabwe. One day, around 1996, I was walking on First Street with my father when I noticed a small crowd of Black people cheering and jostling to shake hands with an elderly white man as he emerged from a shop, as if he was a celebrity. "Who's that?" I asked my father. "Don't you know who that is? Ian Smith, of course!" "The Ian Smith? But, he has no bodyguards And all those Black people shaking his hand, I thought he was the bad guy?" My father smiled. "You have a lot to learn, son." Today, more and more people are revisiting history and asking themselves if the Internal Settlement had been the better option because it now looks like Mugabe was not as interested in Black majority rule, decolonisation or whatever you may wish to call it as he was in decisively winning over all his perceived enemies (including other nationalists).
The honourable Mr. PM Smith was the righteous man.
Power never corrupted Mr. Smith.
Despite what the media said, he was actually well liked in Zimbabwe because people knew he ran the country for the benefit of all rather than just for some cronies or to enrich himself.
Smithy had his faults, no error, but I've never heard him derided in private conversation with blacks other than politicos... people aren't stupid and when they see the ruin that Mugabe and ZANU PF created, they aren't blind to it. 👍
I'm from the future and I'm here to help
you have to ask....What good is UN for???
...absolutely nothing!
Fair comment for the service provided
Mr Smith overstates the standard of education of Africans. Whilst there were many primary schools for Africans where originally (prior to white settlement) there had been none, up to the late 1970s very few Africans had any access to secondary schooling. This changed after 1980 when the number of African children who could hope to attend secondary school doubled and continued to grow. But in the long run this post-1980 improvement was not to endure.
Can't teach rocks.
@@SouthernGroundThanks for your ignorant comment. In my limited experience of teaching (both Caucasian/white and African/black) Zimbabweans mathematics and tropical science and A-level physics between 1981-1984, as a rule they (both Caucasians and Africans) made superior students to what I found in Western Samoa 1986-1987 and what I would have encountered in Australia at any time in the past five decades. One of my 14 A-level physics students in Masvingo (an African) now has a Ph D in earth sciences and is on the faculty at Athabasca University in Alberta, Canada. Caveat: I am not sure about the academic credentials or bona fides of Athabasca as it does not appear to be a traditional "sandstone" university.
and under Mugabe only 20 percent of children were in school
Mugabe was just putting on a show then eventually showed his true collors
@@robertisham5279 Collors should be colors or colours. I have never met Mr Mugabe, but as a sweeping generalisation babies are not born corrupt, and that covers Mr Mugabe as well, corruption is a learnt character trait.
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You can find some video of Mr Mugabe in the early 1960s on TH-cam. I mean you can find video of Mr Mugabe in his nicer guise, and this idealistic younger guise perhaps was not an act on his part.
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I was in Harare the day ZANU PF headquarters was blown up in 1981, which is one of many incidents that may have contributed to Mr Mugabe's subsequent descent into despotism. Although the word despot does not catch the nuance of a government in reality losing control of itself and an internal faction such as the war veterans.
The day Rhodesia died and Zimbabwe ruins began.
You never hear about mixed race people in Zimbabwe!
They really not notable. It weird being mixed i know the feeling im 3rd gen.
@@thomasjuniordhaki2508 I recognise mixed race people in Zimbabwe ❤️🇿🇼
Mixed children don't inherit Rhodesian immortality.
We barely 😥 ran into anyone mixed in Zimbabwe well only if you go to Acadia in Harare you would find mixed families
Rhodesia was great
No it wasn't, it was based on racism
I wonder if lessons where learned?
COMRADES IN THE INTERNATIONAL STRUGGLE ?
Enjoy your freedom and democrazy. Rhodesian Dollar was stronger than SA Rand, which was stronger than US Dollar. Rhodesia exported huge amount food every year. People had jobs and much better quality life. Suck it up Buttercup, you made your choice.
A strong currency doesn't really mean anything. Japan's currency is weaker than the Rand, but Japan's economy is better
Season 2 episode 11 Zimbabwe a new failure
Rhodesia was better!
What a wonderful thing colonialism has been for these people (Africans).
Before white man came to Africa there is no such thing as a school or hospital, no commerce & industry these people were decimated year after year by preventable diseases
Now they have increase in population for the past 20-30 years
-Ian Smith, former rhodesia president
First, ian Smith says he is rhodesian and blacks are rhodesian as well, who are "these people' he is referring to.
Secondly, colonialists came to Africa primarily to collect cheap raw materials, resources for his industries in Europe & else where, where possible have a good tropical life and cheap labour.
I wonder if mr smith would have same standard of living he had in rhodesia if he moved back to Britain.
Europeans have little regard for an African life hence slavery, Apartheid, white minority rule, institutionalised racism and so on.
Africa had traditional transfer of agricultural & mining methods: imu oru(schools); our herbs and gardens supply all medicines we needed before Europeans started the using books. I won't reply him on commerce no need.
Those that are leaving Zimbabwe are going to South Africa another 'uncivilised' African land when the option of going to 'civilised' Britain is there.
Hmmm!
You're an idiot.
And the Africans were just fine
Rhodesia became a self governed British colony in 1923 , much like NewZealand and Australia - meaning , all the proceeds from its natural resources and agriculture were ploughed into the infrastructure and growth of the economy…. Britain had no say in the governance of Rhodesia from 1923 - 1979
It is funny and sad at the same time.
Mugabe starting off his address with “Comrades!” like a Big Brother speech 😂 definitely sets the tone for his reign well.
Economy did they say, what economy would that be!!!!
It just goes frobad to worse.
Think how much better off they'd be if that dictator didn't screw over everyon
Robert Mugabe really does look like the missing link. If there's a question whether or not we're descended from primates, Mugabe needs referenced.
He lost me at comrade's...
Awesome concerning how Zimbabwe becomes Rhodesia, then finally Zimbabwe by democracy. Great example for all.
Devil of devila this one hell is waiting foyall
Grow a brain Rodrigo.
The pre-Rhodesia Zimbabwe was a walled city. Prior to Rhodesia, there were 2 kingdoms, Mashonaland and Matabeleland.
If i'm not mistaken zimbabwe was a trading center for amongst other things, slaves. It was the seat of the kingdom (or king) of monamotapa. The architecture & building method is strikingly similar to sites in Sri Lanka apparently.Traders from Arabia would travel up river along, for instance, the sabi. The bronze mooring rings were noted by archaeologists.
Ian smith was delusion
@Katherine Sparkes i am fully aware it's delusional it was a typing error. Ian Smith said never in a 1000 years will there be black governance he was a bigot who suppressed the natives treated us like second class citizens no different from apartheid in South Africa or the jim crow era in America. I say he's delusional for him saying that colonialism was a gift to us?? Who the natives you came and forced us to reserves that are desolate you segregated us for a 100 years both socially and economically. I call it BS
And you evidently didn't benefit from the education he and his government supplied.
@@nyasa4959 i probably speak better English than you and your ancestors..
@@daryllvictor806 Not by the example you supplied, Daryll !
@@daryllvictor806don't use English as a gadget of intelligence or civility. It's just another language. It's a shame when the white people were there, they couldn't speak shona or ndebele but made africans obligated to speak in English.