I'm Jewish, Ask Me ANYTHING (#2)
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- In this second installment of our street conversations we discuss Zionism, Israel, Palestine and the war in Gaza.
In times like these we rarely have the opportunity to talk face-to-face with one another. In the hopes of bringing that opportunity back, we set up some chairs and a camera and invited people to ask us anything.
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Jews weren't expelled entirely by the Romans. Jews still maintained a huge presence and majority until at least the 700s when the Ummmayad empire took control of Israel.
Blackman has won today the intellectul and humanity awad. Knowledge comes when the ego steps aside
My best offer to you regarding Zionism, Jews, and the Palestinians. You should start with the Palestinians' treaty regarding the State of Israel. This will shock you!!
It’s hard to notice antisemitism on campus if you are not Jewish because it’s not targeted towards you. As a Jewish student I have so many stories, the situation is very bad.
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@@RS-xj7tn exactly these kids are willfully ignorant Nd bought into the whole Palestinian narrative. seems like zack did to unfortunately.
@@thegratefuldeb2269 exactly! they are so out of their depth and are fueling more antisemitism. They just don’t see that.
@@thegratefuldeb2269you are correct! They keep deleting my comments.
This is what I find so reprehensible about the so-called progressives. They seem to have support and empathy for every minority except the Jews.
Excellent! This conversation definitely deserved it's own episode.
Thank you ❤🙏
Thank you Zevi! Always love your work but I cannot express how much I respect this conversation and how needed projects like this are.
What about us jews descendent from refugees from MENA countries... My grandparents were Iraqi jews... a 2500 year old jewish community that no longer exists... Had to leave with nothing...Some of us didn't have a choice.
Yeah, because mossad did multiple 💣 in Iraq to make the local Jewish population believe they weren't welcome and flee to Israel. The Iraqi government didn't want them to go.
You may find that Mossad had a fair bit to do with driving Jews from surrounding Arab countries.
Demographic domination has always been the aim of Zionists....the early Zionist knew that, and did all they could to fill the Palestinian lands with Jews ...
My solution is to calculate how many juice were expelled from each country and in return this country should take Palestinian instead
For example Iraq displaced 100k juice should take the same amount of Palestinian
Germany and many other European countries displaced millions should accept millions.. Etc
The weak "Palestinians" should accept the rules of the strong "juice"
I'm using the word juice in order not to get banned
Anyway as an iraqi myself many of my people ashamed of what the governments of Iraq did to you guys and we keep mentioning your honesty and authentication and being such a good neighbors back in the time
As an Israeli I was deeply disappionted by the ignorance, I axpected more knowlege from jewish people.
Modern zionism is a secular movement, all it is is the right for jewish people to have a land in their ancestors land. Almost half of the people of Israel are left wing liberals who wants the 2 state solution, and don't hate Palestinians, all we want from them is to recognize the exsistance of Israel and stop using terror and wars to kick us out, we have no where else to go!!, I am 3rd ganoration in Jerusalem, my grandparents had to leave Iraq because they were persecuted, finally we have a home where we feel safe and not at mercy of others, yet people are trying to ruin the legitamacy of Israel by spreding lies about what zionism is. It is not colonialism, ethnic clensing and all of that, it is our right to continue to live in the land along side the Palestinians who allways refues to accept our long connection to the land too.
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Yes. Me too
According to polls only 26 percent believe in two states, and it will only go down as the two sides become more extreme. You are openly lying. The fact it is a secular movement proves that it didn't originally had to do anything with creating a jewish state but to be a European colony for Ashkenazi jews alienated from their identity. It's not the fault of Jews but mainly of the british that created the conditions for it.
Zionism is an umbrella term for all Jewish nationalist ideologies centered around the land of Israel, it is neither secular nor religious it has secular or religious branches.
While the other half of israelis are genocidal maniacs that want a greater israel and are ok with stealing more land for their colonial project. You are all guilty.
I'm glad and thankful to listening honest and humanitarian conversations between people. I'm filling more hopeful. Thank you.
Are you all open to a discussion on the definition of Zionism?
I get that there’s a personal experience/relationship to Zionism, but I think you missed the mark on how Zionism is represented. Love what you all do and have learned so much from you. Would love the opportunity to discuss this further with you both, achim.
What a deep and thought provoking conversation! Thank you.
Zionism:
The Rebirth of a Nation
A continuous Jewish presence in Israel for over 3,000 years.
1. Zion is an age-old name for Jerusalem and the land of Israel. Zionism is the national liberation movement of the Jewish people who sought to restore their freedom and independence in their ancestral homeland.
2. Theodore Herzl founded morden Zionist movement in 1897, but the dream of restoration and return had always been at the core of Judaism and Jewish identity. Roma tried to obliterate the millenna-old Jewish state in the first century. But unlike other nations conquered in ancient times, the Jews survived and never lost their profound attachment to their land of origin. Jews lived in the land of Israel continuously for 3,000 years. Those forced into exile expressed their yearning to return in their daily liturgy and prayers. For 2,000 years, many came back in periodic waves of immigration. By the late 1860s. Jews once again were the mijority in Jerusalem.
3. Zionists adapted this historic dream to modern political ideals and circumstances. They were inspired by national liberation movements and driven by ongoing anti-Jewish persecution and discrimination that occurred even in progressive Europe. The Zionists believed that if tge scatted Jews reunited in their historic homeland, joining the Jews who were already there, they could restore their freedom, be free prejudice and further develop their unique culture.
4. Disagreements arose among Zionists as Jews from different countries and with different ideologies - religious and scular, socialist and conservative - joined toghter. But they united around fundamental principles that combined idealism and practicality. They would seek official support from other national govermments. They wwould return legally, purchase the land and restore it through their own labor. Zionists envisioned living in friendship with non-Jewish residents and believed the entire region would benefit from their restoration of the land.
5. Within 50 years, the Zionist dream became a reality. Britain recognized the thrivibg communities Jews had built and in the 1917 Balfour Declaration, endorsed the "Zionist aspirations". In 1920, the League of Nations reinforced this commitment and carved out the Palestine Mandate from the defeated Ottoman Empire for the Jewish homeland.
6. On May 14, 1948, Israel was reestablushed as a modern state and recognized by the community of nations. It lived up to the Zionist dream. Israel began with a Jewish majority that had purchased and settled the land and accorded full civil, political and cultural rights to all its minorities, including Arabs, Muslims and Christians.
Today Jewish and non-Jewish Zionists arpund the world support the State of Israel and hope to see the full Zionist vision realized - a safe and thriving Israel living at peace with it neighbors. 🇮🇱💙
Fantastic conversation, the humanity and empathy on display is heartening!
What a heartwarming conversation. Thank you
Zev, I am glad you are having these conversations.
Beautiful conversation.
Sooo beautiful and respectful, intelligent exchange of ideas... Let's hope Israelis and Palestinians can sit together, just like you guys, and try to understand each other. Shalom from Israel❤.
Which one is the Palestinian? I think he is missing there to get his opinion, so the group in incomplete.
@@user-rp4ot3gr5rthe Palestinians who don't even know who was the 1st Prime Minister of the Palestinian state 75yrs ago. Because there never was a Palestinian state.
It is all the Muslims using their Taqiyya on the ignorant.
I'm really happy to see this conversation.
Humanity first no matter the religion, ethnicity or color.
Nuance is important.
Defend Israel by freeing Israel from Netanyahu !
Great convo, thanks for bringing these people together
12 minutes in, I haven't seen any actual defense of Israel, as the title implies.
This is so important. Thank you guys 🙏💕
I agree somewhat that the opinions were a little vague and underformed, but so are most peoples! And that shouldnt exclude them from peaceful discussion..
That said, I would *adore* seeing a discussion with this level of humanity, but on more specific issues and disagreements (perhaps between a Palestinian and Israeli scholar/historian?)
This was beautiful and helpful. I feel more hopeful and capable of engaging honestly and compassionately having watched this. Thank you, more of this! 👁️🙏❤️
What a nice conversation. Thank you to everyone involved!
How beautiful wasn' t this ❣️ Truly enjoyed all of you. Thank you.
Good on all of you. Keeping it calm, cool, real and man to man.
Love & respect to you all ❤
Although I disagree with both sides, I really appreciate the dialog and the hearing the other side
Promotion of civility, common humanity, and understanding is very heartwarming. A very mature approach to public discourse. Thank you for being a light of hope Mr Zevi 🪔
Great video! Well reasoned and nuanced reflections on the situation.
SPOILERS :: they hug at the end 🙏🏼
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his from Haiti,and Israel was from the first that came and helped when they had there tragedy.
I read all the time about people from Haiti supporting Israel because they remember what Israel did for them.
and we from Israel will not forget your gratitude.
Love to Haiti from Israel
Interesting. You men are so young and hopeful. I'm 53 and stone cynical. I hear quite a lot of fameworking here, yet your core goal is sound. I'm encouraged by the conversation. And if I, as a representative of the monolith of establishment set thinking, can be moved by a little unity, perhaps a lot of Unity could move a lot more of the Establishment towards where it should be. YOU blokes need to form an ecumenical forum so more Union can be realised. Step forward with care. Teach, don't preach. Your world now.
Gd gave land to each nation, the land of the Jewish nation is Israel, just like India is for Indians. The British conquered India and gave it back to the Indians. The Muslims conquered Israel, lost it in a war they started with the Jews and refuse to give up what never was theirs to be taken. The conflict will end when the Palestinians accept their losses and start building a life worth living for their children.
Enjoyed this topic. Please do more
I'm watching this conversation right now, and what a good and respectful dialog they are having, hopefully they do more conversations on various topics in the future. One question that comes to mind that I would be interested to know is what they know about Muslims and Islam. one simple task that the world needs to do is learn about their neighbors and then we will be closer to having love and respect for all and hatred for none. That is truly the essence of life. :)
I like the discussion and listening
Politicians feed on conflict. People feed on politicians. The media feed both. The problem is misinformation. The real problem, though, is human idiocy. Put simply, human idiocy is nationalism. With nationalism comes borders, physical and perceptual, and these two lead to prejudice and discrimination, which in turn feed politicians who feed the media which feeds people who start to think that they are right, and start to hate.
You need to stop drawing equivalence between Israel protesters trying to get their brothers back and Palestine protesters encouraging intifada. It's very disingenuous and you need to tell these guys straight
He might not know any better.
You need to fight against your biases. What is infitada and how has it been employed? Infitada means to rebel or resist and it has not always been violent. Do you deny a people’s right to rebel against their oppressor?
@@halimj7"ji ha d might also be trying to go on a diet, struggle against obesity" ....
The intifada was hyper violent. Lets not play the taqqyia game.
@@halimj7 so far I haven't seen a non violent intifada out of the Palestinians, so excuse me if I'm skeptical of your claim. You should examine your biases that infidels are stupid idiots who you can play word games with.
@@halimj7Make sure you're working to fight against your biases as well. Make sure you try seeing things from the opposite side's perspective and not be a hypocrite.
PEACE ON, GUYS !!
Thanks fellas...I really enjoyed eavesdropping on your chat.
Open disclosure... I am horrified at the gross crimes against humanity being committed by Israel. So totally anti Zionist, which I see as a movement which sanitizes and justifies genocide and erasure of Palestinian presence in Palestine. So it's really hard for me to hear anyone paint Zionism as a benign expression of nationalism or community. But I hear you, and I am encouraged that young Jewish men recognise the destructive power and history of the Zionist movement.
Thank you guys for another great video. I've really enjoyed how you engage with people in such an open manner. A lot of people are quite angry these days, as I am sure you know, with the actions of the state of Israel, and the impunity that it enjoys because of the diplomatic cover that the US gives it. They're angry that the media narrative is lopsided in favor of Israel and that any debate is shut down. They are angry that any criticism of Israel immediately leads to the "antisemitic" accusation. They're angry about Israel and AIPAC's meddling in US politics. So I truly commend you for engaging with people... I just wish the media would have such open discussions, that there would be more intellectual honesty about antisemitism vs criticism of a foreign nation. Particularly if you are American and your tax dollars are funding that nation.
These sessions are incredibly important. The best way to deal with ignorance is through dialogue.
Ps. People who support Palestine completely ignore what's happening in Xinjiang.
This is 🔥🔥🔥
It was nice that this episode ended with labels, and Zach was in Mislaibeled.
What's the meaning of separating church and state?
Beautiful that these conversations can happen, and moreso ur want to reach all people, hatzlacha can't wait to see how much this grows!
Ypu guys give me hope that in future there will be a country where Palestinians jews Christians druze all will live together in peace
Um
You don't need to hope. For the most part they all live together in peace in Israel.
Jews, Muslims, Christian’s and Druze: live in peace in Israel. Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.
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it already exists, in israel. it certainly doesn't exist in "Palestine"
Hmmmm..you forgot a significant part of Palestine's population there....
Facts about Israel that the haters of Israel don’t like: 👇
*1.* Israel became a state in 1312 B.C.E., two millennia before Islam.
*2.* Arab refugees from Israel began calling themselves “Palestinians” in 1964, almost two decades after (modern) Israeli statehood in 1948.
*3.* After conquering the land in 1272 B.C.E., Jews ruled it for a thousand years and maintained a continuous presence there for 3,300 years.
*4.* The only Arab rule following conquest in 633 B.C.E. lasted just 22 years.
*5.* For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem was the Jewish capital. It was never the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even under Jordanian rule, (East) Jerusalem was not made the capital, and no Arab leader came to visit it.
*6.* Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the bible, but not once is it mentioned in the Qur’an.
*7.* King David founded Jerusalem; Mohammed never set foot in it.
*8.* Jews pray facing Jerusalem; Muslims face Mecca. If they are between the two cities, Muslims pray facing Mecca, with their backs to Jerusalem.
*9.* In 1948, Arab leaders urged their people to leave, promising to cleanse the land of Jewish presence. 68% of them fled without ever setting eyes on an Israeli soldier.
*10.* Virtually the entire Jewish population of Muslim countries had to flee as the result of violence and pogroms.
*11.* Some 630,000 Arabs left Israel in 1948, while close to a million Jews were forced to leave the Muslim countries.
*12.* In spite of the vast territories at their disposal, Arab refugees were deliberately prevented from assimilating into their host countries. Of 100 million refugees following World War 2, they are the only group tohave never integrated with their co-religionists. Most of the Jewish refugees from Europe and Arab lands were settled in Israel,a country no larger than New Jersey, USA.
*13.* There are 58 Muslim countries, not counting Palestine. There is only one Jewish state.
*14.* Fatah and Hamas constitutions still call for the destruction of Israel.
Israel ceded most of the west bank and all of Gaza to the Palestinian authority, and even provided it with arms.
*15.* During the Jordanian occupation, Jewish holy sites were vandalized and were off limits to Jews. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian holy sites are accessible to all faiths.
*16.* Out of 175 United Nations Security Council resolutions up to 1990, 97 were against Israel; out of 690 general assembly resolutions, 429 were against Israel.
*17.* The U.N. was silent when the Jordanians destroyed 58 synagogues in the old city of Jerusalem. It remained silent while Jordan systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives, and it remained silent when Jordan enforced apartheid laws preventing Jews from accessing the temple mount and western wall.
*18.* Arabs started all five wars against Israel, and lost every one of them.
That was a lot of word salad. Well done.
Lmao. To much writing. 😂😂😂
Excellent. And thank you.
Zach is back
No Zevi, the British in the 1930s under the Peel Commission offered the Arabs a country on over the 80% of the land with only a small sliver for the Jews. The Jews accepted the plan and the Arabs said no. The 1947 Partition Plan came later and was presented by the UN and not British "colonialists". The British abstained from that vote and had already been siding with the Arabs since the 1930s. But the Arabs had already rejected the Peel Commission compromise in which they would ha gotten most of the land. The entire history of Jews and Palestinians has been one of Palestinian rejectionism because they do not want the existence of a Jewish state.
The Peel Commission was still giving away land which was predominantly inhabited by Arabs.
Is it so strange that a people living their life should surrender 20 percent of their land to people who lived on other continents??
There is a self-serving delusion here that a people would hand over 20 percent of their land mass to people from a separate continent.
Why do you present this bizarre third party theft of land as an attractive proposition for the people living and farming these lands?
Only to serve your own entitled view.....
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Compassion 100%
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Keep your curiosity about your own nation up, and take it more seriously please.
@@user-bv7tr6kz1x well said
I hope you’re well zevi
This guy is nuts. The vast majority of Americans Dont hate anyone. We Dont want anyone here illegally but that not about hate, beyondthe fact that your ancestors chose to stay in the us after some Africans sold your ancestors Doesnt say anything about Israel.
It does, all discrimination is connected and the suffering of everyone around the world is connected
@@downsideup1003 what does racial issues that have gotten nothing but better since th civil war have to with the situation in Israel. Jews aren't white. Palestinians aren't black. And jews arete indigenous population.
No words for how much I love this. THIS is what we need. Humans talking to other humans. Levinas - face to face - th-cam.com/video/OGnGB4saHCk/w-d-xo.html
about the israelites going into to israel and fighting people they didnt do it until the people sinned "[...] the fourth generation your descendants will come back here, for the sin of the Amorites has not yet reached its full measure." the same goes for 48
Note sure I understand when you say Jewish and Palestinians could live together isn't proper Israel 20% population of Palestinians with equal rights? so they actually live together in a democratic country right?.
I am not sure you can claim equal rights. The amount of Palestinians the Israeli state rules over, and has ruled over for generations, dwarves the amount they have given citizenship to. The justification for not giving them citizenship is based on the Palestinians being part of the wrong ethnicity. That is the definition of apartheid. Maybe you can claim that the percentage they have given citizenship to are given equal rights, but isn't that irrelevant in the larger scheme? Imagine that group A rules over group B. Group A gives 10% of group B equal rights. However, it does not follow that group A has given group B equal rights. Neither does it follow that it is truly democratic when the majority of people ruled over by the government is denied the right to vote.
More importantly Sudan only has 4 Persent of the Aid that's needed 4 PERSENT MILLIONS Of people face Starvation
1:58 stop saying colonization movement!
The only colonization in history are western empires!
Jews did have any support from no country when the very few of them started moving to Palestine in 1888!
It is a colonize movement and even your founding Zionist fathers called it that way, the colonization of Palestine 😂
Liked before watching for the Zevmeister
Conversations like these, and others always seem to forget the fact that Palestinians have been offered their own state multiple times. Israel agreed to each and it was 'brokered' through other countries as well. The Palestinians turned down the offers each and every time. Also, 1948-67, there was a three state solution (Jordan/Egypt/Israel) until Israel had to defend in 1967. Then gaza / WB were ceded to Israel. You *need* to understand the history. The Palestinian 'statehood' movement began in 1964, by an egyptian, 16 years after Israel was re-constituted.
There was literally zero offers 😂 you wouldn't be able to bring up the documents of those offers because it never existed. And Palestinians have no reason to share land with invaders, that's insane. That's their indigenous land where they have been living there for thousands of years, way before the biblical times. They are the descendants of Canaanites and Israelites that never left while you are the descendant of the Edomites and Judeans that God cursed.
And their initial 1964 statehood document explicitly ceded Gaza to their Arab Egyptian brothers, and the West Bank to their Jordanian Arab brothers. The PLO was only focused on conquering and destroying Israel, after which its independence was not so important, as long as all the land was in the hands of Arabs.
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woah brave yo postin
no mention of October 7th. jesus.
You are a clown
Too painful watching Zack. He's fed with lies and absolute ignorant regarding our Jewish history. He's NOT representing us.
You are right.
More is the pity.
His mind is free from the indoctrination of the Zionist..
That guy said he doesn't believe the US or Israel should exist, fine. Did he ever protest against the existence of the US? I doubt it. He has some anti semitic leanings whether he would like to admit it or not.
Also, what does he mean by "not exist"? Is he just saying that the political entity/rulership should change? Because to me it sounds at first like he's saying everyone apart from indigenous people should leave, but that would be a crazy position to take.
@@saskiascott8181 I think he's just parroting talking points.
antagonism is simply squashed by truly getting to your neighbor of different, faiths, cultures, backgrounds and accepting them. :) we are all one equal human race under the Almighty creator of the universe.
@SeekersofUnity I was introduced to the distinction of political zionism, vs spiritual zionism when the local Yeshiva ostracized and vandalized a Hasidic Rabbi who condemned political zionism as an affront to spiritual zionism- at first they painted swastikas on his house, till he showed the police his doorbell camera showing who really put that there. Then the vandalists stopped hiding, and scratched "traitor" into his car doors, and made death threats against his grandkids, like a bunch of fascists. Right now in Israel, jewish Israeli protesters against the fascist government, military, and against the war crimes are facing far worse treatment. Mean while, the rightwingers claim that protesting Israel's current fascism and war crimes is antisemitism to silence descent. Thank you for your integrity and courage in confronting this narrative, and unfolding these issues for everyone to examine for themselves.
Yes, they infiltrated all aspects, that's why the people have to be sufficiently compassionate and intelligent. If it teaches hate, the victory is futile. The sacrifices are futile. But a holy generation will birth a holy identity. Regardless of outward appearances. ❤
The distinction between political zionism and spiritual/cultural zionism is irrelevant today. The goal of spiritual zionism was to rejuvenate Jewish nationhood by building a hub for secular Jewish culture in the land of Israel. The goal of political zionism was to create a Jewish nation-state. You'll notice that both these goals not only are compatible but actually require one another. You'll also notice that both goals have been achieved, which is why the terms are irrelevant today. The Israeli government doesn't have any fascist characteristics other than being generally right wing. Lastly the protests are not against the Israeli military or the offensive into Gaza other than arab Israelis and the extreme left all of the Israeli public is united in it's backing of the IDF and it's war on hamas. The protestors believe that holding an election would lead to the war being carried out more efficiently
@@whydoi4088 Maybe I misspoke by using the term spiritual zion-ism.
I was referring to the ideas of Zion being a spiritual ideal of reunion between humanity and god; not any version of nationalism, or worldly, political zionism.
whydoi4088: "all of the Israeli public is united in it's backing of the IDF" except I know first hand with my own eyes and thru people I know (jews) some of whom have had to escape Israel because of their stance against the IDF, the war crimes, the drafts, the war, and the right-wing government, and threats of, and actual acts of violence and arrests made on their group.
The protests they were associated with were explicitly anti-war. You are painting with too broad a brush w unilateral generalizations that imagines the Israelis are a monolith, when of course they are not, no group that is so large is. Currently the Israeli government has many fascistic traits (including the lack of democratic elections- as you acknowledged they've lacked, demanding military service, the aim of genocide, the ethnic cleansing being preformed by the IDF, and the suppression of political descent).
@@MrKreinen Zion is just a different name for the city of Jerusalem, so I don't see what your understanding of spiritual zionism has to do with actual concerns of Jewish identity or its relation to Israel
I assumed you were referring to the organized anti-government protests (the ones associated with Kaplan Street) since the number of actual anti-war protests is so small that it's completely irrelevant to internal Israeli politics.
There's no laws against criticizing the IDF or government however Jewish Israelis aren't afraid to voice their outrage over people who speak negatively of soldiers (rightfully so, the only reason those people are alive right now is the soldiers laying down their life to defend them). There are laws against incitement to violence, though it is rarely enforced against leftwing Jews.
The last Israeli election was in 2022, and Israel has a 4 year term. The current government did not postpone the election. Protestors are calling to dissolve the government and hold a new election because lack of confidence, not abuse of the democratic system.
Mandatory service is fairly normal and is not indicative of fascist ideology. Some of the countries that have mandatory military service include South Korea, Finland, and Sweden, which I doubt you'll argue have a fascist government.
You'd think that if the Israeli government had the aim of genocide they'd start working towards achieving that aim, but it's been 9 months, yet they've not acted on their desire. I guess we'll need to wait. Maybe they're waiting until the post Oct 7th sympathies completely vanish, so they can cause maximal outrage?
Strange to say the IDF is performing ethnic cleansing despite the fact that said ethnicity can not leave Gaza. Unless you mean it's only ethnically cleansing the west bank, in which case I want to see what different policies were adopted by this government to start this ethnic cleansing.
Lastly, while unauthorized protests, were disbanded with of what I agree is an unnecessary and exaggerated use of force. Protests for all kinds of causes were still authorized, which is uncharacteristic for a fascist regime
whydoi4088:" I don't see what your understanding of spiritual zionism has to do with actual concerns of Jewish..."
Seriously?
You are that ignorant of well established Jewish spiritualism while talking out your ars so confidently?
whydoi4088:"Zion is just a different name for the city of Jerusalem"
Zion is seen as the ultimate destination in Jewish eschatology. The belief in the eventual coming of the Messiah and the divine redemption is centered on the spiritual renewal of Zion.
This messianic hope is less about physical restoration and more about a profound spiritual transformation, where Zion symbolizes the world to come and the fulfillment of divine promises.
Zion is deeply associated with the Shechinah, the divine presence. Jewish spirituality sees Zion as a metaphor for the place where God’s presence dwells most intimately with humanity.
In Kabbalistic thought, Zion is seen as a symbol of the higher spiritual realms and the divine emanations. The mystics envision Zion as the spiritual epicenter where the physical and the metaphysical intersect.
The writings of the Ari (Rabbi Isaac Luria) and other Kabbalists elaborate on Zion as the place of ultimate spiritual rectification and union with the divine. It is a focal point for mystical meditation and yearning for spiritual elevation.
Through the entire history of the 20th century (and on into the 21st), a sizable number of Jews have seen "political" or "worldly" so-called "zion" as an affront to the spiritual goal or ideal of zion, and to those awaiting the coming of the jewish messiah with a spiritual view of what that means, man-made political or nationalist zion is a blasphemy.
All the way up through the 70s there was a sizable faction of religious jews primarily in the US that rejected the political state of Israel, and its government, while the rightwing coalition of jews in Israel were primarily secular jews. And, together with jewish anti-fascist leftists, the anti-state leftist Jews, and the anti-state religious Jews were large enough to counter the rightwing coalition in Israel. This has unfortunately changed. Through the 90s the anti-state religious faction was promised exception from military service (tho since then it was revoked in 2014 th-cam.com/video/me4FqdrmVBs/w-d-xo.html ), and near autonomy in governing their own communities in Israel, bribing them into joining the rightwing coalition, and leaving leftist anti-state jews on their own. On their own, the anti-state leftist are not sizable enough to be much more than a minority youth movement of hippies. In fact, that was one of the reasons the rightwing coalition was trying to block the influx of mostly semi-secular Russian and Ukrainian jews, who were unlikely to support the rightwing coalition in power, but were coming in numbers that would make a difference in the political demographics. Fortunately, they were not able to block the majority of Russian Jews from gaining citizenship, though unfortunately, they have not made as much of a difference as the right once feared, and the left once hoped.
whydoi4088:"...since the number of actual anti-war protests is so small that it's completely irrelevant to internal Israeli politics..." & "...There's no laws against criticizing the IDF"
When the IDF (& rightwing communities) assaults reporters and anti-war protesters, that tends to be seen as the truth; weather that's because the protesters dont want to suffer the punishments of a society that quietly condones the attacks on anti-war protesters which they officially deny, or because the reporters dont want to suffer that punishment (more than a few reporters have said the IDF tried to kill them/get them killed).
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whydoi4088:"The last Israeli election was in 2022, and Israel has a 4 year term. The current government did not postpone the election."
And how long has Benjamin Netanyahu remained in political power? You sound like propaganda about russian "democracy" and Putin. Critics argue that weakening the judiciary could lead to an erosion of checks and balances, concentrating power in the executive branch.There have been legislative initiatives perceived as discriminatory against Israel's Arab minority and other marginalized groups. These initiatives are seen as undermining democratic principles and equality before the law. Concerns have been raised about attempts to control or influence the media and civil society organizations. Restrictions on NGOs and freedom of expression are seen as steps towards authoritarianism. The political rhetoric used by some leaders has been accused of inciting hatred and division, particularly against Arabs, left-wing activists, and other perceived opponents. Such rhetoric is often compared to that used by authoritarian regimes to consolidate power and marginalize dissent. Aggressive military and security policies, including crackdowns on protests and increased use of force, are viewed by some as signs of an authoritarian approach to governance. Overall, there is a perception of democratic backsliding, where democratic norms and institutions are gradually eroded in favor of more centralized and authoritarian control.
But I will admit, exactly what counts as Fascistic (aka like-fascism) really depends on the political leanings of the individual. Rightwingers tend to not only tollerate fascistic erosions of democratic societies, but often harbor out-right fascists in their ranks (for example, in the US all neo-naz support the rightwing). But I suspect Israel is doing what the US has done for decades if not longer---- creating two ritewing parties, one more left than the other on select topics, with the two engaging in a red-herring pseudo-conflict w eachother, so that actual left/progs are painted as minority extremists, and completely left out of the political process. No leftwing progressive in the first world endorses war, theocracy, or ethno-nationalism (and certainly not mandatory military service).
whydoi4088:"Mandatory service is fairly normal and is not indicative of fascist ideology." "Israelis aren't afraid to voice their outrage over people who speak negatively of soldiers (rightfully so, the only reason those people are alive right now is the soldiers laying down their life to defend them)."
So it seems obvious where you fall on the world political spectrum; no wonder you don't recognize fascistic trends.
whydoi4088:"You'd think that if the Israeli government had the aim of genocide they'd start working towards achieving that aim, but it's been 9 months, yet they've not acted on their desire." and "Strange to say the IDF is performing ethnic cleansing despite the fact that said ethnicity can not leave Gaza. "
Really? Theres no shortage of reports of IDF systematic rap3s.
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whydoi4088, you seem to be a fount of rightwing propaganda with shockingly absent knowledge of descenting politics and jewish spirituality.
You should probably do more learning before you condescend to others as if you know what you're talking about.
Hey, at least you are certainly on the right channel to learn about jewish spirituality.
12:43 the biblical story is allegory, and that’s really important to know. israelites in the bible conquered canaanites. the truth is, the archaeological record shows that israelites were a subgroup of canaanites who were already living in the region. they had an internal uprising because they felt that things like human sacrifice and animal sacrifice and idolatry etc etc were not what their god wanted of them. the land was not overtaken and canaanites were not destroyed in the way the bible outlines. israelites decided to be better people, with a deeper respect for life, and a deeper respect for morality and goodness. were they perfect? no. but the story in the bible can’t be used against the jewish population in terms of “look what they did in the past” - because they didn’t do that in the past. they picked up and moved to the highlands and started a new life and called themselves israelites, those who “wrestled with god”. this is archaeologically evidenced, and also even hinted at in the bible where jacob “suddenly becomes” israel. that’s exactly what happened in real life, canaanites became israelites.
Perfectly said.
Jews ARE Canaanites. Even modern DNA testing proves that.
BS
@@weisshalivniwineHow is that BS? I'm interested to know because if you study Paleo-Hebrew it's attested that language evolved from Canaanite script.
Given the story of the Bible, it's plausible that it was constructed to explain a natural separation, and establishment of an Israelite state.
Like how the Ausarian Myth details the constant struggle between Lower and Upper Egypt and the country's eventual union.
You are aware that genetically Palestinians are the ones who are the most similar to ancient Israelites and Canaanites and not the so called modern Jews that are not in Israel? Canaanites/Israelites all became modern day Palestinians, they have been the ones living there even before the biblical times. Some just ended up converting to Christianity through Jesus Christ and then with the rise of Islam, most became Muslim. Their DNA proves they are indigenous.
@@afcomics7184yes but modern day Hebrew has nothing to do with the Hebrew of that time. Modern day Hebrew is a recent invention by European Jws mixing Yiddish and Arabic. Modern Jws do not speak whatsoever Hebrew despite what they like to claim. Everything about them is completely fake and made up, heck, the star of David was never a Jwish symbol, the European Jws adopted that star which Muslims for example once used it as their symbol. The current Jwish identity is just a recent invention but the Bible already warned us about the fake Jws claiming to be Jw but are the synagogue of Satan.
This is very interesting, when you say people use god and the bible to do unjust things, seems like you acknowledge the bible is not a good source for justice, may be there is something to re-think about religion and god existence?.
On the other hand seems like you think Jewish colonized the land and expulsed all the Palestinians.
A big number of Arabs moved to the region as also Jewish were moving to live there(buying land not expulsing people), Jewish de-colonized the land from the British, when the war started, Arab countries asked the Palestinians to move away(some were expulsed by Jewish also as many Jewish were expulsed from Arab majority areas)to kill and expulse all the Jewish from the land(I am not sure you learned or agree about this facts).
There's definitely a real threat on campuses and to minimize the Jewish campus experience to just an algorithm is ignorant and perpetuating the organizations that have created this environment on campus. I'm not a jewish student on campus and this was so frustrating to me I can only imagine what jewish students might feel watching this. Taking one person's perspective and using that as gospel is not the way.
The first guy doesn't know what Zionism is.
Zion is another word for Jerusalem/Israel, When the Roman empire conquered Israel, and expelled most of the Jews from there homeland, the longing for home was expressed by going back to Zion.
Zionism means that Jews have a right to live in Israel it's there homeland, and there's archeology to prove it.
It doesn't mean that Jews won't let others live in Israel. It never meant that. And Zionism was before the British empire.
Even the Quran has a copy pasted verses that God gave the land to the Israelites
Btw Arabs have technically no religious claim to the land
Al auqsa in Jerusalem was built after Mohammed died and that's one of the reasons Jerusalem isn't mentioned a single time in the Quran
Btw someone who actually followes Islamic scholars and their scripture would understand that even the definition of Al aqusa (silver dome ) is actually in suadia Arabia
Did you watch the whole video??
We're not in the safest time's of human Civilisation ,, we're at the most dangerous time ,, never before have we had such Technically
advanced Weaponry,, And there been so much Tension Globally
Why don't universities in the West teach their students about Arab-Islamic Colonialism?
* Bloody conquests and wars were waged
* Hostages were taken as slaves
* Sharia law was imposed on non-Muslims
* Arabic was enforced
Most Muslim schools teach all this with pride.
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That was when? During the dark ages of extermination and conquest?
This is your elementary school reasoning for indulging in extermination and conquest in the 21st century?
My heart bleeds for the Arabs who were so unfortunate to exist on the land gifted to the Zionists.
bc they gonna say islamaphobia
What kind of BS talk is this? Have you been to universities or schools that are Arabic or Islamic? Of course not, due to the false remarks you say! I have never ever been taught about sharia law, never been taught that Jews are bad! Man educate yourself, Muslim and Arabic schools never teach this! Have you looked at the Quran before? Of course not, the Quran never ever mentioned killing Jews or hating Jews or anything about violence for Jews! The Quran even allows Muslims marriage to Christians and Jews because they are people of the book Muslim Christian and Jewish. Dude educate yourself!
Great and important format :) Justin and Coby's statements are great, and I would agree 100% with most of their expressed worldviews. The only thing where I might differ is in the opinion that human life had no worth for most of our lives , and this only emerges nowadays (19:33) .
I feel like it's some illusion that we have in Western countries, but many cultures of the past valued life (Romans and Huns, etc. maybe not, but most religious views don't give a free pass for killing if one follows it truthfully and our modern society is closest to the Roman one regarding lifestyle and ethics, if anything).
Modern warfare with bombs seems to me to be more likely to cause huge loss of life without us even noticing it, as it is more distant.
But other than that I m fully on board with what was said in this video, I hope more of this format comes. Until now, I have appreciated all your honest takes! Keep it up!
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To the fellow Jews angry at Zevi for not giving any pushback and just rolling with the Palestinian narrative, he is Just a professional PR guy for Jews, Chabad is amazing but they produce a lot of PR guys who don't tell it like it is and are overly concerned with winning everyone over. The other Jew became secular and left his sect so I don't expect him to represent our side of things.
Israel is not just a homeland, but a holy land for the Jews. It is their biblical homeland. The Arabs would never allow any other people to inhabit, let alone rule the area that Mecca is in.
It's also a holy land for Muslims
@@5StarHeneral Jews and Christians pre-date the Muslim holy land claim.
Israel is not the homeland of Jews lol the biblical Israel has nothing to do with the state of Israel of today 😂 in fact Jew in the biblical times meant those from Judea, there was a big difference between Israelites and Judeans. Seems like you need to learn your own history. The Children of God are now Christians because we accepted his Son as our savior.
Well put.
@@carlosm.3426 Those that curse Israel shall be cursed, and those that bless Israel shall be blessed. True born again Christians who know their bible will know that the God of Israel calls for Gentile believers to pray for him to fulfil his promises to his Covenant people the remnant of Israel (Romans 11, Jeremiah 31:7, Isiah 40:1). Now is the time that God is going to arise and show mercy upon Zion for the set time is come (Psalm 102:13). If you believe that God will break his covenant that he made with Abraham! to give him and his descendants through Isaac and Jacob the land of Israel as a possession forever then you do not understand the faithfulness of God. Israel is God's firstborn son. Jesus Christ is Jewish and he will reign over the house of Jacob from Jerusalem forever.
Jesus says to the woman at the well in Samaria that 'salvation is of the Jews.' What this means is that without the Jewish people there would be no patriarchs, no prophets, no bible and no Saviour. Through the unbelief of the Jews, mercy was shown to the Gentile nations and God requires Gentile believers to now show mercy on his chosen heritage Israel.
That being said FREE PALESTINE ❤️❤️
Everything is a tool you can use for positive or negative outcomes. Zionism, islam, ect
You are the problem when addressing the small percentage of every group that uses their power/tools to influence negatively. Therefore ignoring the most who just wants to live, try and find out the truth together instead of living in the illusion of self constantly trying to prove you are correct.. true lessons come from realizing you are wrong.
I liked the last video you did like this, but this one seems like you are explaining Zionism in a weak way to get people to like you. And let's not talk at all about Islamic colonization...
Colonialism and Imperialism are completely different enterprises. Recall that it was in the Islamic Imperium that Jews took refuge in (from Andalusia to Constantinople), flourished, composed works of great genius, etc.
@@Modus07true. Imperialism is a helluva lot worse
@@ozzy7912 Not all empires are created equal… and I am no apologist for imperialism… the center obviously flourishes, even at the cost of the periphery… but the racist, genocidal legacy of colonialism, especially its European variety, is far, far worse. Compare Umayyad Andalusia to British India, or Ottoman Syria to French Algeria. It’s not even close.
I appreciate the effort in the discussion but you were sugar coating way too much. Tell these guys why they are idiots for protesting with the hamas sympathizers
Leftis usually cut people into groups and try to make each struggle the same and the jihadsts have been using that exploit to infiltrate causes it's sad
all guys in this videos are good people but each is trying to generalize everything without digging deeper to understand the conflict but eventually if they keep the curiosity they would understand better that main goal of the Jews is life
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I dont know ,im confused..i like the idea of a strong jewish after all the bad things...but I dont think is right to literally subjagate millions of people and ecc..buh
Facts about Israel that the haters of Israel don’t like: 👇
*1.* Israel became a state in 1312 B.C.E., two millennia before Islam.
*2.* Arab refugees from Israel began calling themselves “Palestinians” in 1964, almost two decades after (modern) Israeli statehood in 1948.
*3.* After conquering the land in 1272 B.C.E., Jews ruled it for a thousand years and maintained a continuous presence there for 3,300 years.
*4.* The only Arab rule following conquest in 633 B.C.E. lasted just 22 years.
*5.* For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem was the Jewish capital. It was never the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even under Jordanian rule, (East) Jerusalem was not made the capital, and no Arab leader came to visit it.
*6.* Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the bible, but not once is it mentioned in the Qur’an.
*7.* King David founded Jerusalem; Mohammed never set foot in it.
*8.* Jews pray facing Jerusalem; Muslims face Mecca. If they are between the two cities, Muslims pray facing Mecca, with their backs to Jerusalem.
*9.* In 1948, Arab leaders urged their people to leave, promising to cleanse the land of Jewish presence. 68% of them fled without ever setting eyes on an Israeli soldier.
*10.* Virtually the entire Jewish population of Muslim countries had to flee as the result of violence and pogroms.
*11.* Some 630,000 Arabs left Israel in 1948, while close to a million Jews were forced to leave the Muslim countries.
*12.* In spite of the vast territories at their disposal, Arab refugees were deliberately prevented from assimilating into their host countries. Of 100 million refugees following World War 2, they are the only group tohave never integrated with their co-religionists. Most of the Jewish refugees from Europe and Arab lands were settled in Israel,a country no larger than New Jersey, USA.
*13.* There are 58 Muslim countries, not counting Palestine. There is only one Jewish state.
*14.* Fatah and Hamas constitutions still call for the destruction of Israel.
Israel ceded most of the west bank and all of Gaza to the Palestinian authority, and even provided it with arms.
*15.* During the Jordanian occupation, Jewish holy sites were vandalized and were off limits to Jews. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian holy sites are accessible to all faiths.
*16.* Out of 175 United Nations Security Council resolutions up to 1990, 97 were against Israel; out of 690 general assembly resolutions, 429 were against Israel.
*17.* The U.N. was silent when the Jordanians destroyed 58 synagogues in the old city of Jerusalem. It remained silent while Jordan systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives, and it remained silent when Jordan enforced apartheid laws preventing Jews from accessing the temple mount and western wall.
*18.* Arabs started all five wars against Israel, and lost every one of them.
There was no subjugation. 2 million Arabs live in Israel with equal rights.
The ones who are not within Israel proper, the ones who call themselves Palestinians, could have had a state in 1948 but refused because their aim wasn’t to have an Arab state, it was to have no Jewish state.
Anything else Israel has done, the stuff people call ‘subjugation’ (such as the blockade, checkpoints, etc) has been a response to their aggression in order to protect Israeli citizens (all of them, not just the Jewish ones).
I have two questions that I hope that you can answer:
Q. If Isaiah 2 reveals that the Israelites won't enter the land until after the return of the Messiah, then who are the people in the land now?
Q. If Ezekiel 36 reveals that the "Idumeans" would appoint the land for themselves, then cast the land out on a false flag ... then who are the people in the land now?
When Israel was reborn as a nation in 1948 (which was fulfilment of God's prophetic Word), millions of Jews scattered among the nations have returned to their own land. God promised the land of Israel to his people Israel as an everlasting possession and in these end days he has promised to bring them again to their own land. Many Jews continue to return to their own land and this will continue. The Jews need to be restored to their own land before the Messiah Jesus Christ returns to earth. 'Israeli' is not in the bible and 'Israelis' make up many different peoples that live in Israel who are not descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. However, there are millions of Jewish people who have returned home and dwell in Israel and more and more will continue to return to the land God has promised to them.
זאבי החתיך ❤
This is the height of respectability politics. Embarrassingly pandering. This conversation could've been an educating moment. Instead of splashed a pound of sugar to make the stance more palatable for them.
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The guy on the ledge possesses a talent that very few people have. To think unobjectively
This is the 2nd video of yours I watched and while I appreciate the concept the answers in no way reflect my views as a Jew. You totally missed the opportunity to explain what the word Zionism or Zionist means. I fear for the future of Judaism with such liberal views. I would remind you the Palestinians don't want to share the land, a view of utopia is nice but it's also unrealistic. I do have a suggestion ask your father and or grandfather or a jewish baby boomer the same questions you were asked and see what there response is.
He had an Apportunity to be a light to the nations and really explain what’s going on instead he went along with the idea that Jews are pushing out Palestinians, and also implying that Zionism is bad. Let’s be clear Jews aren’t pushing out anyone. We are defending ourselves from people that want to kill us and say so clearly. If they stop killing us we will live side By side peacefully it’s that’s simple. You will be respected more if you have more confidence in who you are and stop pandering.
Do you think Hamas is representative of all Palestinians?
If so then is Netanyahu representative of all Israelis?
If we can just lump everyone together then I'd like to remind you that Israelis don't want to share the land either!
@@KalebPeters99 85% of Gazan Arabs still support Hamas so yes they represent all the Gazans. Netanyahu was duly elected by the majority of Israelis so yes he represents all of Israel. In my opinion the Israelis shouldn't share the land but the Israeli people to there own detriment are willing to share it. Hamas and the Gazans want to wipe the Jewish people from the face of the earth and set up a Caliphate, So says the Hamas Charter. @KalebPeters99 Grow up and get a grip on reality.
@@KalebPeters99 the majority of Gazans support Hamas every time they have been polled by Gazans themselves. The reason they don’t hold new elections in the West Bank is because Hamas would win the election. Netanyahu is a moderate on the right which very few realize. If Netanyahu was not in power the right would still win in Israel.
@@samc5676 Do majority of Israelis support the IDF?
My best offer to you regarding Zionism, Jews, and the Palestinians. You should start with the Palestinians' treaty regarding the State of Israel. This will shock you!!
Zionism starts with the Torah not with Herzel. Herzel came 3000 years later. Zionism started 3000 years before Herzel
Incredibly disappointed by this comment section.
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guy says israelies came and were hostile MEANWHILE he described his fellow protesters "hounding" the Israeli girl till she cried. disgusting and shameful. this conversation was upsetting to say the least
Group answering a indiv. Question.……
Regards to your point at 12:55 about using G-d as an excuse for injustice: Yes the land belongs to the Jewish people because G-d gave it to them - but the reason they have to fight is not because of that. It's because it's a Torah law that a Jew needs to defend themselves, as the talmud says 'if someone comes to kill you, rise to kill them first.' Unfortunately Israel has not conducted themselves this way as they should have, preffering to let Gaza turn into a terror stronghold right under their very noses out of fear of 'rocking the boat' and now we are paying a heavy price for exuding such weakness. Had we taken the the Torah (G-ds word) seriously, we would not be in this this position - but again, the 'religious' rationale for using force, comes down to the obligation to be proactive when it comes to self defense. It's not about grabbing land, it's about protecting lives.
God never gave you people anything, you are the descendants of Edomites mixing with Europeans, you are not part of any land ownership by God 😂
I understand wanting to find common ground with these types of people and fostering constructive and relaxed dialogue, but letting their ignorance go unchallenged isn't the way forward.
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But Israel is prepared to leave in peace, if Palestinians do
And Palestinians are not, according to all polls done by them
To the black guy: If you don’t consider America home even your mom is American then you should find a better country you can call home. And also stop using so many words that you don’t even know what they mean and use them in the most incorrect way. Also Haitians are not persecuted anywhere in the world so it’s in no way the same.
Yeah that dude was a caricature of a "woke studies" student trying to fit as many big woke words that he heard and read as he can trying to sound like an intellectual.
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If we insist on drawing a line between "us" and "them", we should distinguish between those of us who want to live peacefully with our neighbors, and those who want to perpetuate violence and human suffering. Those are the tribes that matter.
@@ahobimo732 Seriously? How can you not see that this exact sentiment is what perpetuates the division? Engage with your enemies. It’s the only way to bring them on board.
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