Can a conventional gas boiler with upstairs hot water tank in the airing cupboard be replaced with this kit. Do you need all the "gubbins"? Can it be a DIY job?
Usually yes but it depends on the property. Always best to send us over your property plans for us to establish if a heat pump is a good fit for your property. We’d recommend getting a pro to design & install it 👍
Yes, but you need to have a proper survey. Your current radiators are used to a 70c flow temperature and a certain size chosen to give enough heat for the room. If you suddenly have a 35-40c flow temperature, you need a much bigger radiator or more of them to provide the same temperature in the room. You might need bigger pipes. Other problems are that it will take a lot longer to heat a room to 21c than if you used a gas boiler. Costs are also a lot higher because the system changes to just using electric to heat water if cold outside. You need it running for longer too, eating up 10KW+ or £3.30/hour. People complain it's costing £25-30/day for heating and it's not warm enough. That could be bad design, just putting a heat pump where the boiler was hoping it would work, or having no insulation. Lots of variables. Many new houses do not have room for all that equipment. I would stick to gas and save £15000-20000 plus on new equipment and extra additional running costs. Many on TH-cam have been paid to sell products and others were conned, but they will never want to look foolish, do they keep saying they save money. I would do your research. People I know with heat pumps and solar panels I know wished they had not bothered. They could have put the money in savings accounts and used the interest to pay their bills.
@@OH2023-cj9if Yes, there are variables to consider and like you said, you can't just stick a heat pump in where a boiler once was and expect it to work well. A heat pump will not be a good fit for every property but if it's correctly designed and installed in an appropriate property, it will provide all the heating needs, at roughly the same costs as a boiler, no problem.
@@OH2023-cj9if What I would suggest to anyone looking at HP's, is to go on Heatpunk and put in your room dimensions, insulation etc. It will work out how many rads you need and the capacity of heatpump. Surely the HP rating is the output not the input, so a 12KW HP at SCOP 4 will use 3KW/h.
It depends on a number of factors. We design the system specifically for the property so there's no one size fits all approach which is why the pricing varies too. If you're in the UK and want a quote, send us an email to info@altoenergy.co.uk :)
I think you are missing the point of these HT heat pumps. First there is less need to upgrade bigger surface area radiators and for some that will also maintain the interior aesthetics as well. Second as they will run hotter radiators there may be less need to upgrade the insulation building fabric to retain the interior heat. It will be needed but perhaps less money needed to upgrade and retain as much of that interior heat. In many old houses (like victorian/edwardian) the cost to do so can be massive plus many old homes need that "natural" ventilation to avoid interior bad air and mould/humidity. Lastly many HT users find the concept of mildly warm radiatiors in a very cold winter to mean something is wrong even if the heating is not technically running 24/7 vs older boilers that turned on and rand the rads at a very high temp to get the home hotter in a shorter time. Many of those moving from gas boilers to HPs (or considering them) will ask around and find just warm rads to mean they are not for them. HT heat pumps solve that even if they will rarely ever hit that max temp (much as a well set up gas boiler does not run at max power when the water/air temp means its not needed)
I am a contractor in the US. I put 3 Samsung heat pumps in customers homes and they all failed. Mitsubishi and LG are much better. Both companies have models specifically designed for cold climates. (Down to -20C)
Interesting. Did you design the system? We supply Mitsubishi & Bosch as well as Samsung and find they are all the most reliable and best products on the market.
Haven't had this luck. We're the number 1 installer in NYC for Samsung, the equipment is great. Granted LG and mitsubishi are both very good alternatives.
They’re all junk because they’re made or sourced from communist China. Greedy corrupt, no integrity, American corporations millionaire suits are flying around in the tax deductible bizJets laughing their arches off at all of us grunts out there working to buy their over priced junk while they outsourced labor to China to make and have shipped back to the US to sell. How are you liking being a bunch of middlemen, salespeople and warehouse professionals?
Very nice unit. Looks like a good competition to new LG Therma V R290. What do you think will be better pump in terms of noise and performance ? Do you think it's worth to wait for it or just buy this Samsung unit ? R290 is quiet new liquid in comparison with R32 so not sure how this performs since specs for Therma V R290 specs are not out yet. At least I didn't find one. Also wanted to ask how is the noise level of this Samsung unit ? e.g. in comparison with Nibe which is considered very quiet pump. Old Therma V was pretty noise but looking at insulation of HTQ it looks promising. Thanks!
Yes, it's very nice! Not sure which will be better as it'll depend on who's designed/installed it and where it's been installed. The sound pressure level of the HTQ varies depending on the size but will be between 42-47 dBA. Our director owns a HTQ and he's very happy with it :)
@@AltoEnergyLimited Hehe, thanks for info. If the director is happy with the unit then it's a good indication that the unit is pretty good. Do you think 8KW unit will be more quiet than 12KW unit at the same power consumption ? Let's say 5KW ? I'm debating if to oversize a bit or not. I expect most of the time the unit will work around 4 - 5 KW.
@@AltoEnergyLimitedYou mean the noise would be roughly the same at 5KW output ? Or will be 12KW quieter or louder ? And do you think I should buy 8KW unit if heat loos is around 5KW at -5C and the max. freezing temperature is -15C so I expect max. 7KW output and this only very rarely in my climate ? Don't want to oversize because +4KW is pretty much and I'm worried the min. heating capacity at 5 or 10 Celsius would be too high with 12KW model and unit would cycle much more. And 8KW unit is also 1000 eur cheaper :) Thanks!
Yeah, around the same at 5kW. It depends I'm afraid. We'd need more information to decide on the size of the unit. We would design a system for you and give you advice but it sounds like you live in Europe, not the UK, so unfortunately, we can't help.
You can hear it all day or just when it’s starting up a cycle? They’re very quiet. Could be an issue with the installation if you can hear it all the time. Not ideal but better than having gas polluting your street.
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The black does look nice as it hides the fan blades and the mesh seems to disappear.
Are you aloud to fit these units under a openable window
System iv very neatly plumbed in thought
Yeah that’s fine
Beautiful unit
It is very nice. Looks even better in person!
Can a conventional gas boiler with upstairs hot water tank in the airing cupboard be replaced with this kit.
Do you need all the "gubbins"? Can it be a DIY job?
Usually yes but it depends on the property. Always best to send us over your property plans for us to establish if a heat pump is a good fit for your property. We’d recommend getting a pro to design & install it 👍
Yes, but you need to have a proper survey. Your current radiators are used to a 70c flow temperature and a certain size chosen to give enough heat for the room. If you suddenly have a 35-40c flow temperature, you need a much bigger radiator or more of them to provide the same temperature in the room. You might need bigger pipes.
Other problems are that it will take a lot longer to heat a room to 21c than if you used a gas boiler.
Costs are also a lot higher because the system changes to just using electric to heat water if cold outside.
You need it running for longer too, eating up 10KW+ or £3.30/hour. People complain it's costing £25-30/day for heating and it's not warm enough. That could be bad design, just putting a heat pump where the boiler was hoping it would work, or having no insulation.
Lots of variables.
Many new houses do not have room for all that equipment.
I would stick to gas and save £15000-20000 plus on new equipment and extra additional running costs.
Many on TH-cam have been paid to sell products and others were conned, but they will never want to look foolish, do they keep saying they save money.
I would do your research.
People I know with heat pumps and solar panels I know wished they had not bothered. They could have put the money in savings accounts and used the interest to pay their bills.
@@OH2023-cj9if Yes, there are variables to consider and like you said, you can't just stick a heat pump in where a boiler once was and expect it to work well. A heat pump will not be a good fit for every property but if it's correctly designed and installed in an appropriate property, it will provide all the heating needs, at roughly the same costs as a boiler, no problem.
@@OH2023-cj9if What I would suggest to anyone looking at HP's, is to go on Heatpunk and put in your room dimensions, insulation etc. It will work out how many rads you need and the capacity of heatpump. Surely the HP rating is the output not the input, so a 12KW HP at SCOP 4 will use 3KW/h.
How many actual kw do they run at full load 230v
It would depend on a variety of things. In terms of the sizing, 8kW, 10kW & 12kW is available 👍
This is a hot water heater ? What dose this heat ?
It heats the radiators and hot water 👍
How much does it cost and how much installation
It depends on a number of factors. We design the system specifically for the property so there's no one size fits all approach which is why the pricing varies too. If you're in the UK and want a quote, send us an email to info@altoenergy.co.uk :)
I think you are missing the point of these HT heat pumps. First there is less need to upgrade bigger surface area radiators and for some that will also maintain the interior aesthetics as well. Second as they will run hotter radiators there may be less need to upgrade the insulation building fabric to retain the interior heat. It will be needed but perhaps less money needed to upgrade and retain as much of that interior heat. In many old houses (like victorian/edwardian) the cost to do so can be massive plus many old homes need that "natural" ventilation to avoid interior bad air and mould/humidity. Lastly many HT users find the concept of mildly warm radiatiors in a very cold winter to mean something is wrong even if the heating is not technically running 24/7 vs older boilers that turned on and rand the rads at a very high temp to get the home hotter in a shorter time. Many of those moving from gas boilers to HPs (or considering them) will ask around and find just warm rads to mean they are not for them. HT heat pumps solve that even if they will rarely ever hit that max temp (much as a well set up gas boiler does not run at max power when the water/air temp means its not needed)
I am a contractor in the US. I put 3 Samsung heat pumps in customers homes and they all failed. Mitsubishi and LG are much better. Both companies have models specifically designed for cold climates. (Down to -20C)
Interesting. Did you design the system? We supply Mitsubishi & Bosch as well as Samsung and find they are all the most reliable and best products on the market.
Haven't had this luck. We're the number 1 installer in NYC for Samsung, the equipment is great. Granted LG and mitsubishi are both very good alternatives.
They’re all junk because they’re made or sourced from communist China. Greedy corrupt, no integrity, American corporations millionaire suits are flying around in the tax deductible bizJets laughing their arches off at all of us grunts out there working to buy their over priced junk while they outsourced labor to China to make and have shipped back to the US to sell. How are you liking being a bunch of middlemen, salespeople and warehouse professionals?
Very nice unit. Looks like a good competition to new LG Therma V R290. What do you think will be better pump in terms of noise and performance ? Do you think it's worth to wait for it or just buy this Samsung unit ? R290 is quiet new liquid in comparison with R32 so not sure how this performs since specs for Therma V R290 specs are not out yet. At least I didn't find one. Also wanted to ask how is the noise level of this Samsung unit ? e.g. in comparison with Nibe which is considered very quiet pump. Old Therma V was pretty noise but looking at insulation of HTQ it looks promising. Thanks!
Yes, it's very nice! Not sure which will be better as it'll depend on who's designed/installed it and where it's been installed. The sound pressure level of the HTQ varies depending on the size but will be between 42-47 dBA. Our director owns a HTQ and he's very happy with it :)
@@AltoEnergyLimited Hehe, thanks for info. If the director is happy with the unit then it's a good indication that the unit is pretty good. Do you think 8KW unit will be more quiet than 12KW unit at the same power consumption ? Let's say 5KW ? I'm debating if to oversize a bit or not. I expect most of the time the unit will work around 4 - 5 KW.
Absolutely! They'd roughly produce the same amount of noise when ramped down.
@@AltoEnergyLimitedYou mean the noise would be roughly the same at 5KW output ? Or will be 12KW quieter or louder ? And do you think I should buy 8KW unit if heat loos is around 5KW at -5C and the max. freezing temperature is -15C so I expect max. 7KW output and this only very rarely in my climate ? Don't want to oversize because +4KW is pretty much and I'm worried the min. heating capacity at 5 or 10 Celsius would be too high with 12KW model and unit would cycle much more. And 8KW unit is also 1000 eur cheaper :) Thanks!
Yeah, around the same at 5kW. It depends I'm afraid. We'd need more information to decide on the size of the unit. We would design a system for you and give you advice but it sounds like you live in Europe, not the UK, so unfortunately, we can't help.
cool
Samsung warranties are notoriously difficult to claim on their domestic appliances I’m not taking a punt on something costing £5 - £10k
My neighbour brought a new Samsung heat pump which I can hear from the opposite side of the street as it faces the street.
You can hear it all day or just when it’s starting up a cycle? They’re very quiet. Could be an issue with the installation if you can hear it all the time. Not ideal but better than having gas polluting your street.
wtf are gubbins? Slang on promotional videos are not very professional
Gubbins = miscellaneous items or bits and pieces 👍
He’s in the UK