WHAT DID TORIYAMA SAY?! SAIYANS ARE MADE OF WHAT!!!??? DRAGON BALL LORE THAT AKIRA TORIYAMA LOST

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  • WHAT DID TORIYAMA SAY?! SAIYANS ARE MADE OF WHAT!!!??? DRAGON BALL LORE THAT AKIRA TORIYAMA LOST
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  • @doupnetwork
    @doupnetwork 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +151

    He forgot that Goku completely understood meditation when questioning why Vegeta was doing so

    • @thothgold2768
      @thothgold2768 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      I wonder if that was toyotaro because that didn't make sense from what came from the manga or anime , goku definitely knows what it is to mediate, it's part of every technique he does especially his recent ultra instinct training

    • @doupnetwork
      @doupnetwork 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@thothgold2768 Definitely could have been Toyotaro but we may never know for sure

    • @Agawy150
      @Agawy150 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Or maybe he was surprised to see VEGETA meditating

    • @doupnetwork
      @doupnetwork 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@Agawy150 He was definitely surprised to see him doing it but the way they depicted it made it seem like Goku was unaware of what sitting on a rock and concentrating alluded to.
      Poppo taught Goku to meditate before he even met Kami

    • @cody3504
      @cody3504 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Also ki control and basic flying, ki manipulation, sensing ki Lmao

  • @MoreGamingTeam
    @MoreGamingTeam 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    Toriyama forgot that Goku could read minds after the Frieza arc.

  • @FinalConvoy415
    @FinalConvoy415 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +62

    I believe Toriyama also forgot about Zenkai Boosts for the Saiyans.

    • @MANCONE1234
      @MANCONE1234 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Right

    • @SpicyElephant
      @SpicyElephant 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      nah somewhere in the manga they said goku and vegeta reached the limit with their physical muscle strength. it was around the end of the super hero or granola arc I believe. I think they can only improve thier ki mastery now so zenkai can't help

    • @vegitobluekkx2069
      @vegitobluekkx2069 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@SpicyElephantif you watched the anime it was in the u6v7 arc before goku and vegeta went into the hyperbolic time chamber for 3 years

  • @brandonlaferney937
    @brandonlaferney937 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    The 2 things that stick out to me the most is Launch and SSJ2

    • @PaoloMiller-ow3vf
      @PaoloMiller-ow3vf 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Well tbh who cares about launhh vu I just assume she died to buu

    • @DS123-gb8tf
      @DS123-gb8tf 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      She made a appearance in the Saiyan saga when Tien died which was pretty cool she had a bad feeling about him like Bulma did when vegeta tried to blow up buu

  • @dinokingandfriend7529
    @dinokingandfriend7529 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +114

    When trunks was born, they had his tail removed at the hospital

    • @andytegenkamp3489
      @andytegenkamp3489 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      This dude has no clue and saying his ignorant remarks about Goten here's another half Saiyan just like Gohan and Trunks.. but the biggest difference is Goten should actually have the highest S cells greater than any other for he was the only saying conceived by his father was in his super Saiyan form during conception

    • @LilXancheX
      @LilXancheX 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @andytegenkamp3489 what? Lmao. Goku was in his base form, it’s not like he turned super saiyan to fuck chichi…

    • @73rd42
      @73rd42 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​@LilXancheX they made goten during the cell games training

    • @andytegenkamp3489
      @andytegenkamp3489 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@LilXancheX no he wasn't you need to know your dragon Ball bud... Goku and Gohan came out of the hyperbolic Time chamber and went home stayed in the super Saiyan form the whole time and that's when Goten was conceived so he was in his super Saiyan form with his son the whole time right before the cell games bud so you better go back and check your manga recheck your anime and get your facts right so go 10 was the only offspring that his father was in super Saiyan form when he was conceived. Look it up watch it watch him and Gohan come out of the hyperbolic Time chamber and go home they got pregnant he conceived Goten at that point right before the cell games think about it

    • @andytegenkamp3489
      @andytegenkamp3489 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@LilXancheX he was not in his base.. know what your talking about

  • @Wow.136
    @Wow.136 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    I found it confusing on why in super, mastered super saiyan and the grades of super saiyan was dropped by toyutaru.

    • @AVeryStableFusion
      @AVeryStableFusion 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Because the ssj grades are not really yknow… important to the story anymore… unless they give goten and trunks a training arc.

    • @homiesenatep
      @homiesenatep 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      They showed grade 2 & 3 in super twice. When trunks showed up, and vegeta used grade 2 in the dark blue form with toppo

    • @Oromanowarful
      @Oromanowarful 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I think their mastery of regular ssj has gotten to the point where the other grades wouldn't really be relevant at this point.
      Tbh ssb became the new ssj for dbs in effect it was the goto transformation for any new fighter they came up against until jiren.
      Notice how the tension in dbs broly was that ssb wasn't enough after he became ssj? They jumped straight to fusion. Though that's partly because of being a movie and for the purpose of hype but still.

    • @ImTheStrongest
      @ImTheStrongest 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It was dropped back in the Buu Saga. Super didn't start it.
      Once Super Saiyan 2 was achieved, the grades became irrelevant. And thus, was dropped in Buu Saga. Remember when Goku went through the forms. He didn't show off the grades. He just went, "This is Super Saiyan. This is Super Saiyan 2. And this is RRRRRAAAAAAAAA....." Goku completely skipped the grades like it didn't exist.
      So it was dropped back in the Buu Saga.

    • @israelplaysthis
      @israelplaysthis 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ppl also forget that it was just super saiyan 1,2, and 3 there were actually grades in all of them

  • @ianhardy9375
    @ianhardy9375 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Vegeta had its tail cut off in the Saiyan saga, plus he's an adult so he loses that regeneration to regrow it which would explain why Trunks did not inherited the tail. Goku had his tail remove before the tournament and didn't take him that long and chi chi to have Gohan to inherited that trait, it was one of the two traits that Gohan has that play a role in the Saiyan saga

  • @fngxcha743
    @fngxcha743 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    Goten have the same mom as gohan how would his genes be watered down 😂

    • @Meelow-jp8lb
      @Meelow-jp8lb 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Exactly. Idk why people think that.

    • @TangentFuture41
      @TangentFuture41 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      i think for some reason people register him as gohans son

    • @PaoloMiller-ow3vf
      @PaoloMiller-ow3vf 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TangentFuture41facts tbh I thought the same till I used my brain

    • @PAP888
      @PAP888 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Meelow-jp8lbbecause people don’t know how genetics work or what genealogy is

    • @florin-alexandrustanciu5643
      @florin-alexandrustanciu5643 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If it s a recesive gene then it s just less likely to appear, for instance blonde hair, blue eyes etc, they have 25% chance of appearing in a child that has one parent with them and another parent with brown eyes and brown hair. I think people confuse that with the dilution of a gene that has a single source. That's why trunks does not have a tail either

  • @awesomereviews1561
    @awesomereviews1561 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Toriyama never wrote any of the OAV, not even Bardock or Story of Trunks. Takao Koyama wrote/created all those. So no wonder he forgot about Broly since he didn’t create him.
    Edit: this video highlights how important was Toriyama’s editor. His name was Torishima and he took his retirement just after the Cell game and it shows.

    • @Kal911
      @Kal911 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      actually toriyama created the design for Broly. The whole reason Broly hair are green when he transforms is due to the fact that was the color he had in mind for Goku Super saiyan form to make a pun with his saiyan name.

    • @My_Master_Waves
      @My_Master_Waves 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Kal911Nothing you said is true. Toriyama drew design for Z Broly based on Koyamas description of the character, that's it, Toriyama did nothing more for the character. In ATs concept art design Broly has regular golden hair, green hair was not his idea. Even for DBS Broly ATs concept arts are base, hikari and regular ssj. Green hair version was yet again not his idea it was Shintani if I'm not mistaken.

  • @J.Mims520
    @J.Mims520 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    What struck me is why after senzu beans and constantly getting healed by whis why the tails never came back.

  • @jamesalexanderkaraba7037
    @jamesalexanderkaraba7037 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Trunk's hair being blue in DBS instead of purple

    • @israelplaysthis
      @israelplaysthis 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Idek why they did that

    • @cubicpaper
      @cubicpaper 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It’s because after Z, toriyama started drawing Trunks with blue hair because Bulma has blue hair. It’s stupid but it’s one of the few things that he changed that has some sort of sense.

  • @wicmil13
    @wicmil13 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The tails part it makes much more sense that their tails are directly linked to their saiyans heritage and the source of their powers! So ssj 4 /uzaru form makes them more formidable especially with god ki stacked on top of that.

  • @darrellwhitney789
    @darrellwhitney789 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That part right there where you was trying to remember whether or not launch donated energy to the spirit bomb is exactly why filler is Canon regardless. Even if there wasn't a panel in the Manga specifically showing her donate energy, do you think that she didn't, even after hearing gokus voice or hercule calling out for help? Just because it's a portion of the arc that doesn't help move the story along a speficic route doesn't mean that it isn't a part of the story. Just a random thought.

  • @TheWallaBoy
    @TheWallaBoy 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Yo Toriyama’s interpretation of a black male back in dragon ball was diabolical.

    • @OnlyDarien
      @OnlyDarien 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      💀💀💀💀💀💀

  • @alexisguerrero7551
    @alexisguerrero7551 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Toriyama is known not giving a fuck about the cannon and his forgetting characters is not fucking new at all I mean he forgot about launch.

  • @docproof26
    @docproof26 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Since Toyotaro is Toriyama’s successor HE OWES IT TO HIMSELF TO READ ALL 42 VOLUMES OF DRAGON BALL FROM FRONT TO BACK!!!!

    • @gokussjgssj4818
      @gokussjgssj4818 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think the fans need to compile a list of things goku knows/should do that they all forgot about so when he's writing the manga they got no excuses to say oh goku jist learned to read minds then they look at his is list andnseemoh goku already can read minds opl jist put he uses is mond reading abilities he learned from dbz

  • @feywinterfox9630
    @feywinterfox9630 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I don't know I am a strange one, not from a fan view but from the understanding that when you can come up with multiple hit manages, create a bunch of characters for a bunch of video games, worked on movies and anime for longer than most fans have been alive, I say you are allowed to forget whatever it is you want. Ain't like the man works on DB non stop, most people forget this came out in the 80s and ended in the 90s

  • @ChefBoyYeshua
    @ChefBoyYeshua 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What? Is this a reupload or something? This obviously was not made 13 days ago lol

  • @jhnyjoejoe69
    @jhnyjoejoe69 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    . His memory issues could have been early signs of the health problem he had.

  • @jhnyjoejoe69
    @jhnyjoejoe69 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    His memory issues could have been early signs of the health problem he had.

  • @eternald6708
    @eternald6708 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Akira Toriyama forgot to take care of himself... That's why we lost him, when he could have been around for 30 more years... Miyazaki is 80 some years old now, I think. Akira didn't quite make it to 70... Let that be a lesson for everyone reading this, to take care of yourselves... There's a price to pay, if you don't.

  • @tlst94
    @tlst94 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What if in an alternate timeline, Toriyama planned everything ahead of time? And if he remembered everything later on? What would've changed about Dragon Ball?

  • @boomboombaby9140
    @boomboombaby9140 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    They need to hire some of the people that make fan mangas lol

  • @A_j_I_Getz_BIZZY
    @A_j_I_Getz_BIZZY 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In the show they said they were removed at their births. (Trunks and Goten’s tails)

  • @deejayxcrypt
    @deejayxcrypt 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is this an old vid? It gives off vibe as if Toriyama is still alive.
    His present thoughts(?)
    His potential future thoughts(?)

  • @AstraFulminous
    @AstraFulminous 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The animals are explained in Kakarot. Basically humans used to become them from a drug that existed on the planet, but eventually stopped seeing mass use over time. Likely cause most of them to revert to their normal selfves

  • @modakkagitplugga
    @modakkagitplugga 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Easy retcon for Trunks and Bra not having tails would be for Vegeta to secretly be a half-breed himself.
    I don't like that option, but the potential for a compelling story certainly exists. Would also help to explain his brother's very taboo disposition as a pacifist sayain

  • @D.P.T.R
    @D.P.T.R 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When it comes to the animal humanoids I believe when the earth got destroyed the first time and ppl got wished back they weren't because they're not human and possibly because of the wording of the wish it only brought back humans and not all humanoid species or they were brought back but lost their humanity and came back as regular animals

  • @blueyezmichael9262
    @blueyezmichael9262 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How about the different colours of future trunks’ hair all the way Z-GT-Super…I saw r views on it video but I disagree with your conclusion due to really digging deep and learning that EQCH of those trunks’ retained their memories and memories and in one instance proclaimed killing frieza

  • @doltannagy5521
    @doltannagy5521 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Huge theory that might be true, now hear me out ok, what if toyotaru hinted something that could change our thoughts on what is Canon and what's not when it comes to dragon ball. I state this cause in a recent interview toyotaru stated that, "dragon ball gt is an alternate timeline where goku did get ssj4, and hints at an ssj5, but what if I told you that's the route they might take with daima?! What if daima takes place during the same time as dragon ball super but with a totally different twist, goku ends up gaining ssg, and blue in his child state, but instead of ui, he gets ssj4, making both super and daima Canon, just alternate timeline, and a different twist of things. This could just be my liking for the look of ssj4 talking, but it would be a pretty cool idea considering at that point we could have something like dragon ball multiverse which was a fanmade manga, but inside that manga they had a screenshot of none other than beerus and whis, right before battle of the gods movie! Thus is why I think toyotaru is trying to make it to where even the fan made stuff eventually becomes canon! But it's just a theory, so don't bite my head off

  • @czyprodigy
    @czyprodigy 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    7:15 ssj2 WAS originally meant to just be ssj grade 5

  • @44KalilWW
    @44KalilWW 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Goku n vegeta even broly need their tails back shiid gohan and goten n trunks they saiyans at the end of the day. I’m glad you made this video. Idc how yall feel about it , I jus want my bois to remember they roots

    • @Plutonian-t5f
      @Plutonian-t5f 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What the hell tails are gonna do😂

    • @israelplaysthis
      @israelplaysthis 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It is stated that a Saiyans tail can regrow if they truly need it

  • @IamJmGJT
    @IamJmGJT 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Didn't DBZ Kakarot explain the lack of animals by saying they were people addicted to drugs that turned them into animals as a side effect or something

    • @stephenschneekloth1535
      @stephenschneekloth1535 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      So the president was a drug addict...

    • @IamJmGJT
      @IamJmGJT 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@stephenschneekloth1535 Yeah the drug was called animorphaline in the game

  • @darktigersharkmax4432
    @darktigersharkmax4432 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Although this is a reupload I won't repost my old comment. #EndofVideoSquad

    • @DragonballBlack
      @DragonballBlack  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for coming back tho lol

  • @sonicrocks2007
    @sonicrocks2007 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Goku was originally a dragon / monkey. Then his wife wanted him more human like. So over the series goes he became more humanistic and dropped the tail and wings of his original design. Now it seems maybe Piccolo is the one inspired by the dragon not goku.

  • @PoweredByFlow
    @PoweredByFlow 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Honestly there is only so much you can forget as a creator, seems like there was a medical thing going on.^^'
    I get it, creators see the franchise and the things they made in them different than fans but keep in mind his passing was also very sudden to everyone, so there is probably a lot we didn't know about his daily life and overall health condition. :,(

  • @thekoopaguy5982
    @thekoopaguy5982 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If you played kakorot, one of the side mission explained why they furries lol

  • @wildyato3737
    @wildyato3737 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    4:23 Then why Gohan had a tail and transform into Giant Ape

  • @pjsniper436
    @pjsniper436 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    What do you mean it makes sense that gotten didn’t have a tail? He’s half saiyan just like trunks. Being royalty wouldn’t make him any more special than goten. They’re both half saiyan with possible latent potential. Maybe some saiyans like trunks simply had the “tail gene” evolved out or maybe something more complex like the goings on between human and saiyan DNA giving a hybrid child a 50/50 chance of inheriting one. Fact is no one truly knows since nothing official has been mentioned.

    • @acidicalien6477
      @acidicalien6477 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Toriyama removed it because he got tired of drawing tails long long ago. The common headcanon is that goten and trunks had tails that were just cut off at birth.

    • @ThanatosZero
      @ThanatosZero 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@acidicalien6477 And I am certain that Bulma doesn't want her baby on a full moon start to trash their home and city.

    • @pjsniper436
      @pjsniper436 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@acidicalien6477 yeah i get that but it's what was said with the whole "it's understandable that trunks might have had a tail but not Goten" because of dilution but they're both part saiyan, it shouldn't matter.

    • @TangentFuture41
      @TangentFuture41 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      definitely. you could inheret different genes from each parent. the fact that all of them can tranform in of itself isnt likely genetically

  • @IgnatiusBlaze4
    @IgnatiusBlaze4 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I don't think it's egregious, jeez lol, egregious makes it sound like it's a sin, dude was just very forgetful, no big deal, as big as DB was for the man, not like it was in his every waking day.
    Goten seems the weirdest... because him and Trunks are attached at the hip, best bros, they fuse to make Gotenks a very remembered character.
    I don't think he forgot about tails, because that's been there since day 1, it's the entire inspiration behind the whole franchise, Goku being Son Wukong from Journey to the West while Bulma is Xuangzang. If he forgot tails it was in the moment while drawing, not that he forgot in its entirety I think, or maybe it just got difficult to draw tails.
    ... yeah 100% I think he has gone on record saying he forgot Launch lol.
    Throw in Puor, Oolang, Chiaotzu in the animal category and forgetting they exist lol. Maybe Master Korin too, even though Chiaotzu isn't an animal (still don't know what he is, a baby clown?), pretty forgettable post Saiyan Saga DBZ.
    2 is silly lol, but yeah doesn't help it doesn't look any different than 1 outside of the electricity.
    Android 18 honestly not surprised, well 1 I didn't notice lol, 2 he's forgotten Trunks and Bulma's hair colors countless times, despite Trunks being so integral and Bulma being there since day 1. Why Future Trunks' hair is blue in Super but purple in Z, Bulma too has gone from seafoam blue/green color to purple, minty green, to blue at different points... and honestly kind of afraid lol, now I'm freaking out was she purple or seafoam at the beginning, I can't for the life of me remember despite DB Classic being my favorite DB series.

  • @boomboombaby9140
    @boomboombaby9140 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Toriyama said the reason trunks and gotten didn’t have tail is because he forgot, geekdom made a video on it

  • @SavantPete
    @SavantPete 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Oda: "Remembers every minute detail"
    Toriyama: "Wait. I drew that?"

    • @deejayxcrypt
      @deejayxcrypt 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oda has a huge army of assistants. He makes the decisions but not likely even all the ideas. (Brainstorming is always a good way to innovate though.)

  • @BlackPoisonGamez
    @BlackPoisonGamez 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think Launch was a super human. Like super saiyans but human. Think about it, her hair went gold, she got a little powerful, and she losses self control of her normal self kinda like when saiyans first go super and rage. Idk just a thought.

  • @cody3504
    @cody3504 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Akira Toriyama HAD forgotten.... RIP the man, the myth, the legend, the one and only Akira Toriyama, aka Birdman

  • @ZaviiZavii
    @ZaviiZavii 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    4:00 goten should have a tail too…he’s half sayian just like trunks and gohan

  • @movespammerguyteam7colors
    @movespammerguyteam7colors 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There is a long list of things the creator of Dragon Ball has forgotten. Do you have any idea how little that narrows things down?

  • @StEvUgnIn
    @StEvUgnIn 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    He passed away

  • @Ruffian97731
    @Ruffian97731 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Actually blackscape I got to call you wrong on that one. First generation half bread Saiyans can have tails as seen with Gohan because his father is a full-bred Saiyan making the gene transfer 50/50. Second generation half breed saiyans cannot have tails because they are Born from an already half breed saiyan generation like Pan because her father is Gohan making the gene trait 33/100.
    Trunks and Goten should definitely have tails since their first generation half breeds like Gohan. There's no mistaking it. This is just another one of toriyama's inconsistencies in story writing showing even after his death 🤦🏿. R.I.P. The goat though 🤷🏿.

  • @modakkagitplugga
    @modakkagitplugga 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Most of the animal-people we got to know of could transform, maybe they all just picked pure human forms

  • @MonsterHunterPV
    @MonsterHunterPV 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Leave it alone lol he didnt forget about Broly or Goten. He was just trolling.

  • @jeremyberry7041
    @jeremyberry7041 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hope in the future they make this better than dbz we need something good going forward

  • @supershadow11123
    @supershadow11123 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    shouldn't the fact that Goten isn't a grandchild mean he should have a tail as well? Think about it: His genes are not diluted like Pan would have. His parents are the same as gohans, therefore he should've had a tail!

  • @jeremyberry7041
    @jeremyberry7041 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I hope in the future it is more of goten and trunks as well as gohan

  • @dameonmabry
    @dameonmabry 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Goten is a dope character I don’t see how’s he forgotten when we deadass have a shit ton of characters who serve no purpose,it’s the writers fault as to why Goten is barely involved,As a kid he wanted to fight but they tell him no,but as he gets older and doesn’t want to to fight,now he’s lazy,a useless character and shouldn’t be in Dragonball,Goten always get hate for no absolute reason at all.

  • @StickyDrawz
    @StickyDrawz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    it doesnt make sense that goten doesnt have a tail... goten is literally generation 1 of mixed saiyans like gohan

  • @JackRippa-bq9qo
    @JackRippa-bq9qo 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    Bro toriyama is dead what are you talking about lol

    • @KingJayJay-
      @KingJayJay- 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Are you slow it’s called hidden shit

    • @fivehead5363
      @fivehead5363 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Didnt even TRY watching the video huh? 💀

    • @spaceshipgozooooom5646
      @spaceshipgozooooom5646 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      My immediate thought

    • @RedMagicPrince
      @RedMagicPrince 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      GUESS YOU NEVER HEARD OF A NOTEBOOK?? LIKE IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE FOR MR. #AkiraToriyama TO HAVE NOTES ABOUT HIS MANGAS & THEIR CHARACTER SUMMARIZES?? EVER HEARD OF INTERVIEWS??? - YOU'RE CLEARLY NOT CRITICAL THINKER 😂😂😂

    • @JackRippa-bq9qo
      @JackRippa-bq9qo 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@RedMagicPrince but have you ever heard of a joke?

  • @_demeech_01
    @_demeech_01 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The point you made on the tail gene becoming more diluted as the saiyan blood gets thinned more makes since for Pan but not Goten since he’s just as much saiyan as his older brother Gohan and best friend Trunks

    • @dragonking6397
      @dragonking6397 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      i looked this up earlier cause i didnt like the explanation either and yes its a recessive gene, but a better add-on would have been that hybrid saiyans have a low chance of having a tail which is why goten didnt have one, gohan on the other hand was just lucky to have one

  • @Mustache99
    @Mustache99 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Goku did forgot about fighting with all his five senses he was taught this lesson whe he was a kid by popo but got hit by a laser

  • @TangentFuture41
    @TangentFuture41 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    all this most likely shows is that he was surrounded by yes men who didnt challenge his changes

  • @GigaChad-u1f
    @GigaChad-u1f 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The furries were justa trend,they are normal people who had taken a pill,but the effects aren't permanent and by the time Z and Super came about,the trend was dead

  • @jeremyberry7041
    @jeremyberry7041 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Be nice to see them go in a different direction

  • @doltannagy5521
    @doltannagy5521 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I dont believe yamoshi was the first ssg, for the simple fact shenron himself stated there hasnt been one created yet, but he knows hows the ritual to become one, which kinda irritates me about him saying yamoshi, other huge things that get me with akira toriyama, besides the things you've stated, 1 saiyans CAN breath in space, for instance there's a scene back in dragon ball, I forget the episode, but goku literally punches a dude to the MOON AND FLIES BACK, mind you the MOON is in SPACE, FOR THOSE WHO DIDNT KNOW! 2. to touch base with the whole super saiyan thing, the thing that kinda passes me off, which I would have loved to dive further into the story with is the different grades in the super saiyan stages, for instance everyone thinks it just went base form super saiyan then super saiyan 2, wrong, there's super saiyan 1, grade 1, which is the first time goku and vegeta transformed. And there's super saiyan 1 grade 2, where their ki and power is enhanced, and becomes a Lil bulky, also referred to by vegeta in this form, super vegeta, then there's the state goku and trunks found, which is super saiyan 1 grade 3, which is where they lose speed for pure power! Then there's super saiyan 1 grade 4, also known as mastered super saiyan, the same states of super saiyan goku and gohan had when they exited the time chamber back in the cell arc and couldn't go back to base form for awhile, due to super saiyan felt natural to them. And then there's a super saiyan grade 5, also known as super saiyan 2! As for the grading in ssj2, that was never shown! 3. The tail, I agree with you there, but there's something everyone forgets about, but it's stated even in the dragon ball lore, and it's stated, "a saiyans tail is able to grow back, but only due to staring at a moon during its bluntswave cycle, meaning when the moon is in the right position, and is shooting down bluntswaves a saiyan can still undergo the transformation, and growing their tail back in the process! It was even shown in the beginning of z, and when goku lost his tail for the last time, however nowhere have I read, a saiyans tail cannot grow back after being lost, due to the fact gohan had his tail cut off and piccolo ended up having to blow up the moon, and then cut his tail off the second time, but gohans tail grew back after seeing the moon during a bluntswave cycle! Like it's in the daishinkai book, it's even shown in the anime and manga! 4. More so towards the Fandom. I hate yalls love for ssj3, for the simple fact goku has had more wins in his ssj2 form than he has in his ssj3 form, he's lost more times in that form than he's won in my opinion. Also it's a form that takes away you're life force, why use that? If it takes away your life while using it isn't that a double edged sword, I'm sorry, but I'd rather use ssj2 or simple ssg than anything else, considering ssg has a healing factor built into it, not only that but you could seeminglygo anywhere without any mortal sensing your presence, only gods could do that! And ssj2 is the most effective in getting the job done than ssj3 ever will! And I wish yall would get on board with goku is the first super saiyan god, considering in all 3, movie, anime, and manga all state by shenron himself, "I cannot grant you that wish for one hasn't existed yet!" Meaning there was never one before goku! Yamoshi was never a ssg when he was alive, his spirit told a namekian elder what had come of him, and the ssg lore to the elder which wrote it in the namekian book of lore, which shenron spoke of! Last thing if the movies were Canon that means the movie where bardock kills lord chilled in, would make bardock the legendary super saiyan, which is also how friezas family know of the legend of the super saiyan!

  • @RavenWoodsDE
    @RavenWoodsDE 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Shit happens if you cough up one character after another. Never create more than you can manage.

  • @jeremyberry7041
    @jeremyberry7041 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How can these people forget certain things when it comes to dbs

  • @dragonking6397
    @dragonking6397 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    the reason for goten and trunks not having a tail is because as u said its a recessive gene BUT only for hybrid saiyans meaning hybrids have a low chance of being born with the tail, gohan was just lucky as hell

  • @MikeBLAZE_420
    @MikeBLAZE_420 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You stated that it makes sense for go 10 to not have a tail at birth but believe trunks should have? You seem to be forgetting that like Gohan.. Goten and Trunks are both half Saiyan. In Saiyan hybrids the tail is a recessive trait. Toriyama himself stated that Gohan was a rare anomaly to have been born with a tail even though he's not pure Saiyan. This means that the reality is quite the opposite of your belief that Trump should have a tail. Again..... Gohan was a rare anomaly because in saiyan hybrids the tail is recessive. Trunks should not have had a tail at birth.

  • @tonyt196726
    @tonyt196726 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Goten should have a tail. Because, although he wasn't first born, he still had (Goku) a pure blood father. Also. Where is Uub in everything after the Tournament Of Power?

  • @dwightnorton3398
    @dwightnorton3398 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice list

  • @LorainPsycho
    @LorainPsycho 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Tbh, i can't really blame them. Whenever I do anything, i want to banish it from my mind because I hate everything I do. It's probably like hearing your own voice

  • @ssjuchiha100
    @ssjuchiha100 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well he's dead, I'm sure he's forgotten about most things

  • @Rip_kingC4
    @Rip_kingC4 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    8:29 the fact that I didn’t notice this at all

    • @My_Master_Waves
      @My_Master_Waves 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How would you notice it if this error was made during production and then fixed during production. The movie came out with her being blonde.

  • @Ruffian97731
    @Ruffian97731 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Every Dragon Ball fan hates it when I say this, but it's true.
    Toriyama is the king of inconsistent story building and writing. He forgets his own lore or changes it every season or saga. He's still the goat but there's no denying his inconsistencies throughout the Manga series as a whole 🤷🏿

  • @pharaohgoff9597
    @pharaohgoff9597 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Goten, Gohan, Trunks, & Bulla are all half human half saiyans. They should have tails as well as their fathers.

  • @Lonewolf3515
    @Lonewolf3515 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    He forgot that Goku can read minds somehow lol.
    Also, who remembers the mind training between Gohan and Krillin? XD I think he forgot about that too lol.

  • @ginnungagapabyss5639
    @ginnungagapabyss5639 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    DB needs a doomsday/Amazo-like being. To push the characters to do more than power up, and beat a foe. 21 could be that foe, instead of her being cell 2.0 she's truly the ultimate being through her genius mind, and insane adaptation, evolution, and abilities.

  • @petersolomon1380
    @petersolomon1380 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I always thought it was strange they just forget Goku using Telekinesis in the hospital on the cup of water showing how his meditation worked

  • @Nubi001
    @Nubi001 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    He was left Forgoten lol

  • @gustnvc
    @gustnvc 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Blackscape forgot that Toriyama died
    Edit: so this is a reupload, makes sense now

  • @jamesalexanderkaraba7037
    @jamesalexanderkaraba7037 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    He forgot because he was old 😢 poor guy. 😢

    • @stephenschneekloth1535
      @stephenschneekloth1535 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He forgot things way before "he was old" was an issue, he just had a bad memory and/or didn't let things like previously established lore/characters get in the way of the story he wanted to tell..

  • @karlclarke5245
    @karlclarke5245 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Wtf happened to trunks and goten tail ??

    • @selfishbeats
      @selfishbeats 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      they're only half saiyan..

    • @majinnemesis
      @majinnemesis 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@selfishbeats so is Gohan and he had a tail

    • @ioriyagami347
      @ioriyagami347 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It got cut off in the hospital bruh😂

    • @majinnemesis
      @majinnemesis 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ioriyagami347 that wasn't stated anywhere

    • @ronaldbenz_
      @ronaldbenz_ 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Toriyama forgot lt.

  • @mikemccloskey3577
    @mikemccloskey3577 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    He forgot about the original super Saiyan launch and her snizing

  • @garycurrier1037
    @garycurrier1037 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Pan is the only 2 generation hybrid so all three of the 1 gen hybrids should have tails

  • @docproof26
    @docproof26 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    😂 imagine a half dog, half saiyan, half Kai, half witch, half Namekian 😂

    • @atiyyahwoods814
      @atiyyahwoods814 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Definitely wouldn’t be half anything

  • @runredmedia167
    @runredmedia167 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Genes can skip a generation, trunks having no tail isn’t a big deal. If he had a sibling they may have a tail. Gohan had a tail and Goten didn’t yet they share the same parents

  • @Midtier_Fortune
    @Midtier_Fortune 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ....Well if I had to guess I'd say he said nothing considering he's no longer with us.

  • @warrenbradford2597
    @warrenbradford2597 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Akira Toriyama forgetting important things is funny, especially the furries. “Some sort of secret gencide happening on Earth.”😄

  • @brandonlaferney937
    @brandonlaferney937 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Toriyama didn't forget abouts tails, he was lazy and tired of drawing them

  • @vegitobluekkx2069
    @vegitobluekkx2069 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Title: what did toriyama say
    Bro its fucking dead 💀

  • @TangentFuture41
    @TangentFuture41 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    dont they have story boards and staff review?? im always confused by this

  • @maiharuka432
    @maiharuka432 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wait.. Why would Goten not have a tail? He's still half Saiyan! ChiChi is full human, Goku is full Saiyan and we all saw Gohan with a tail, now Gohan off-spring shouldn't have a tail or it should be rare since the child would be 25% Saiyan at that point.

  • @Pollote56grueso
    @Pollote56grueso 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Goten and Trunks had tails its just that toriyama forgot and was a hassle to draw them all the time so he decided to remove em.

  • @ZaviiZavii
    @ZaviiZavii 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Gotten and trunks both should’ve had tails…both of them are half sayians. Why everyone keep thinking just because gohan was born first that goten is only 25% when he’s literally half and half

  • @KevinD.LoveImmers
    @KevinD.LoveImmers 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What if Art is a form of Automatic Writing, something else is writing the story while being in flow state.
    Good explanation to forget what you actually wrote down 😝

  • @davidwood481
    @davidwood481 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    While i can say he forgot alot of things but the biggest thing i despites is the character assassinations of goku and others hell even vegeta got character assassinated a little bit because after kid buu died vegeta grew to prioritize better an this vegeta is completely their yet like android saga vegeta

  • @jasonwismer2670
    @jasonwismer2670 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    He didn't remember Broly because it wasn't his character. It was a purely movie made character.

    • @alexisguerrero7551
      @alexisguerrero7551 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yep but he created a clone character called kale lol.

    • @stephenschneekloth1535
      @stephenschneekloth1535 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He forgot Launch and he creator her, thats why she wasn't in the Saiyan Saga and beyond.

  • @SherrickDuncan
    @SherrickDuncan 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    What do you mean in the future? Bro he is dead. 😂

    • @DeepTaorht
      @DeepTaorht 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Laughing emoji bro? Low blow,dude low blow😕

    • @666bulba
      @666bulba 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DeepTaorhtnot a low blow… just too soon for some people

    • @supershadow11123
      @supershadow11123 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hey, sped. The show is continuing under Toyotaro's guidance. Now gfys for that joke. FULL offense.

    • @freytheave209
      @freytheave209 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@supershadow11123 yikes

    • @supershadow11123
      @supershadow11123 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@freytheave209 yikes? mf making a joke so soon after a death and what I say is what gets the yikes? Get the fuck over yourself.

  • @P79-lc8ob
    @P79-lc8ob 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So I question this if goku conceived goten while in Ssj and goten got a great amount of potential then what if goku chose to conceive another child this time in Ssj blue would that childs potential be even greater

  • @WEEWEE_GUY
    @WEEWEE_GUY 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Trunks and Goten got their tail completely circumcised at birth prob

  • @Wren40
    @Wren40 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hmm, but I thought Toryiama said that he stopped the tails because they were a pain to draw?

  • @jment34
    @jment34 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Tenshinhan has also been neglected as a character. I hope they give the humas better writing in the future of dbs.