The ORIGINS of the Nine Divines - Imperial Pantheon EXPLAINED! - Elder Scrolls Lore
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In our latest Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim video we explain the origins of the nine divines.
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The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim is an open world action role-playing video game developed by Bethesda Game Studios and published by Bethesda Softworks. It is the fifth main installment in The Elder Scrolls series, following The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, and was released worldwide for Microsoft Windows, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 on November 11, 2011.
The game's main story revolves around the player character and their quest to defeat Alduin the World-Eater, a dragon who is prophesied to destroy the world. The videogame is set two hundred years after the events of Oblivion, and takes place in the fictional province of Skyrim. Over the course of the game, the player completes quests and develops the character by improving skills. The game continues the open world tradition of its predecessors by allowing the player to travel anywhere in the game world at any time, and to ignore or postpone the main storyline indefinitely.
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All the dislikes are obviously from Thalmor agents.
Arcano, E and the other guy arcano sends after you at laberimthyan
Meanwhile, nords cheering for a foreign god as they forgot their own pantheon.
Altrantis Bethesda forgot their own fucking lore and I refuse to not consider the Old Holds of Skyrim still worshipping Kyne and Ysmir.
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Am i the only one that already knows alot of this but still watches for the *fudge*
Oh you two
But same
Me too
No, you are not.
But i watch every new video of theirs, just because they are great.
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I tend to learn something new everytime I rewatch a fudgemuppet lore video
Saint Alessia: Ok guys this is the new official religion who takes both human gods like Kyne and elven ones like Auriel to make a single pantheon who can unite all the races
Tiber Septim: *became Talos and breaks the original plan*
Saint Alessia: Am I a joke to you?
Jacopo Mazzo I mean, they also revered Lorkhan as the “missing divine” which would alienate Elves.
Jacopo Mazzo not just hjalti,zurin and wulfharth aswell
@@LegoRiddler That's not canon.
Baron of Bahlingen But that was still a recognized god by both. Bad or good it was a god and everyone agreed on that. And Talos was Tiber Septim, the guy who commited an actual massacre who reaches the borders of genocide to conquer Summerset with his magical robot. Honestly if my ruler/ex ruler worshipped a ruler like that I would be pissed too. Of course the Thalmor dont give a fuck since they want to undo reality, something that probably only the higher commanders of the thalmor know, but the difference of the Third Dominion confronted with past incarnations is that supremacist movements never got in control before. The third and fourth era Thalmor succeed where the Veiled Heritance failed because the Veiled Heritance did not have something to rally all the altmers behind, while the Thalmors are usign a legit indignation to spread their racism. It's the same difference between the reasonable approach taken after Napoleon defeat, where the victors considered what there was of good and what there was of bad in the past regime to deal with it with reason and the Treaty of Versailles after ww1 who caused such indignation and consequences that Hitler was able to raise in power. Hitler was evil and so are the Thalmor but the reasons for that indignation are not evil nor wrong
General Falco yes it is you nite read the lore books in skyrim and play daggerfall and get the underking ending
Origins of the *NINE* divines
*The Aldmeri Dominion wants to know your location*
Lol
Sovngarde
@@guesswho2323 really?
@@davidhatcher7016 You know I had to do it.
@@guesswho2323 Lorkhan
what about a "lich is it worth it?" video? just an idea from a necromancy lover.
This 👆🏻👏🏻
God I love necromancy. The Ritual stone and atherial crown combo is so much fun.
yes! yes fellow necromamcers! rise! riiiiise up like our minions from the dead! it is time four use to take our rightful place in tamriel! the Strickland imperials and thalmor only worry about eachother while we! the grandest and most exalted of magic users await our opportunity to strike! we will take this world and as our armies grow larger everyday theirs shall shrink and wither.
also and upside to being a necromancer is you'll have something in common with serana the greatest bae.
ok I could have sworn I fixed the auto corrects in that comments I just made... not even the great necromancy can stop the all consuming auto correct. you guys should be able to get what I typed from context.
Just played the undeath mod for skyrim for the third time.
I think it would be so amazing to live in Tamriel! Well, except for all the vampires, dragons, wolves, bears, bandits, ice anomalies, wizards and deadra lords..
If I lived in Tamriel I'd be a "wizard" so vampires, dragons, wolves, bears, bandits, and ice wraiths wouldn't worry me much and a clever mage can avoid or outwit Deadric Lords. It would be fine.
Balthazar21 thats assuming j'zargo does not ask you to try some scrolls...
@@jacopomazzo4949 What, these scrolls? Forgot all about them. I'll just try one out on those draugr at the end of the hall. I'm sure it'll be perf... HEALER! Is there a healer in the party?
I think it would be fun for a little while, but im sure any citizen of Tamriel would gladly trade places with you
@@Toni-lo9ms
the nine was born from the first bite from the first sweetroll and all was good and tasty
Fudgemuppet: uploads new video
Me: oh thank you, divines bless your kind heart.
Me children will thank yee XD
Blessings of mystara upon ye.
*Sees FudgeMuppet upload* ... Yaah that's hot. My daily fix of TES lore
Tsun is not Zenithar! 😢
The orrery shows us the planet Zenithar. Tsun died before the Eight ascended. The Eight, Zenithar included, lost their immortality but are still alive.
Tsun died defending Shor/Lorkhan and his spirit guards the whale bone bridge in Sovngarde
Cool
Really?
@@davidhatcher7016 really what?
I always played my imperial hero playthrough as an extremely devout worshipper of the Divines. They blessed every battle. Every victory.
If you've got to travel, by the nine divines stick to the roads. It's the fudgemuppet, they're swarming the tube!
Funny
I'm an imperial and I also don't care what the elves say, there are 9 divines...
You can't change my mind.
Talos is really just one of many aspects of the nord god ysmir twp prime examples the laat dovahkiin and hjalti early-beard or as he is more commonly known talos
@Wirr Ling "these are our anciet traditions going back.to.the.founding.of.the.first.empire"
@@andrewjohnson7801 Ysmir is an aspect of Talos the God, not the other way around.
@@dutchpatriot17 that is wrong as ysmir is ancient dating back to the ancient nords and atmorans talos came way after and as a atmoran would have worshiped him
@@andrewjohnson7801 Ysmir the god is not ancient. The Nords didn't even worship him in the Second Era. You know why that is?
''Ysmir (Dragon of the North): The Nordic aspect of Talos. He withstood the power of the Greybeards' voices long enough to hear their prophecy. Later, many Nords could not look on him without seeing a dragon.''
~Varieties of Faith in the Empire
So no. Ysmir the god is an aspect of Talos, not the other way around.
I used to have a life, then I took a FudgeMuppet in my list of subscriptions.
Drew's voice is so soothing, great to have on in the back ground whilst Im working.
The Imperial Cult of the Nine Divines is my favourite fictional pantheon, I’m glad the wintersun mod is out for Xbox now so I can actually immerse myself in my playthrus.
This game still blows my mind...the dept ye guys go to is brilliant.🤯
I wonder if that “Arkay was once a mortal” theory will ever be confirmed (or denied)
Arkay's Priesthood seems to believe it.
Great to see emperor Julianus being honored like that giving his name in a video game world to the a god of wisdom, logic and philosophy. Very fitting...
WOW!!! Guys, over 800,000 subs? Can’t believe it!! You guys have worked so hard for so long. Been here since 20,000 subs and I’m so happy with how vigilant and consistent this channel and it’s content have been.
Giving you guys some video ideas that also could be interesting:
Tosh Raka EXPLAINED
The Ashlanders EXPLAINED
The Direnni Clam EXPLAINED
Reman Cyrodiil/The Ebony Warrior EXPLAINED
The Nightingales EXPLAINED
Sloads EXPLAINED
WAS being a Dwemer worth it?
WAS being a Snow Elf worth it?
WAS being an Ayleid worth it?
WAS being a Sload worth it?
All Vampire Clans in Tamriel EXPLAINED
What if the Thalmor will rule all over Tamriel?
What if the LDB will help Ulfric Stormcloak?
Altmer religious EXPLAINED
What if the Empire would've worship the Daedras?
Could the Hist help the Argonians conquer Tamriel?
You should make these. I'd probably watch them
Zenithar: "Spend your money wisely"
Dibella: "Enjoy life from time to time"
Akatosh: "Bitch, as long as you worship us, I don't give a fuck"
I think this is the earliest ive been in on a Fudgemuppet Video
I think it’s so cool that people are still making Elder Scrolls lore videos. Thank you!!!
Really looking forward to hearing about Talos! Great video once again guys. Keep it up I love it
Love your work man.. I recently found your Channel and I immediately fell in love with your Witcher lore videos.. stay real and original and keep doing your thing💎
FugeMuppet and coffee, what a great start to the day !
I’d love to see the Aedra expanded upon in ES6. We’ve had multiple games where we learn and interact with the Daedra, so it’d be nice if we ran into missionaries, priests, and holy orders for the various Aedra.
Tenth command: Above all esle... Be excellent to each other and party on dudes!
"Faithless imperials"
Andrew Johnson “I used to be an adventurer like you, then I took an arrow in the knee...”
@@schlinge-fling "Is that fur coming out.of your ears"
Could you continue this into a series of gods of all races of tameriel, i know you have made many about this already but i would love to see it touched on it more
Why you should worship Talos
Sovngarde
Talos has nothing to do with Sovngarde though.
@@dutchpatriot17 I thought he did
@@iamslightlybetterthanyou2679 Shor does.
Astonishing. Just that.
I can't explain how your videos takes us in a long and far pleasant trip. TES lore is amazing!
I just hope you guys can make more videos about the Aedra individually, explaining their origin, and comparing the versions, like elven and man.
P.S.: It's so amazing when you guys upload a video having "Kyne's Peace" on the background 😎
This is the exact question I wanted answering. Thanks for the video! 😁
I really wish there was a channel as good as Fudgemuppet that dealt with real world history/religion.
Xander Saurenmann Actually though
When you realise that the Nine Divines are actually cool
@FudgeMuppet: Great vid as always Drew
The others are like just be good and you don't have to worship us and Akatosh is more like *OBEY YOUR EMPEROR AND WORSHIP THE NINE*
What are your thoughts on the idea that Apocrypha is the actual form of Hermaus Mora rather than it simply being his plane of Oblivion?
Isn’t that canon of all Daedric Princes, though?
Yeah every Daedric princes realm is itself.
Yup
PSA: The Last Dragonborn is Lorkan and Akatosh, and Lydia is the Avatar of Kyne.
We never met Lydia's mother ingame, only that Hrongar is her Father in the cut parts of skyrim.
Really
Loved it so much I checked it out 3 times. Admittedly I am doing tedious work whilst it is on, but it still counts!
Praise the 9 Divines ! And Praise Talos and Akatosh most of all of them !
I was just about to go to sleep... WAS. Y’all are awesome!
The first eight Divines seem simply put, like 45% Nedic/Imperial gods 25% Nordic gods and 30% Elven mixed
Yeah
Just perfect; the lore, the voice, the music.......
Thanks for more awesome lore! Right now is play time though. I finally got SSE up and running again after it crashed in March. It's been over three months no Skyrim. So, I clicked "like" because I know it's going to be good. But, I need to get to High Hrothgar! Cheers mates!
Right on schedule
This video would make any cyrodillic patron proud, priests taking an arm to your sermon or dissertation. Well done. Pleasure as always.
Love the videos! Keep up the great work! 👍🏼
Yes more answers of Mundus. We need to know!
I think it's best I watch this video after seeing one of your other videos about Molag Bal
You guys make great videos and helped me learn more stuff keep up 🤘🤘and if you can talk.about the nerivarine ( i know i wrote it wrong )
Could you make a Jon Snow or Nights Watch inspired build?
PLEASE Do a video on Frandar Hunding!!
I’ve been watching a lot of your Skyrim builds and it got me thinking. Bethesda should use some of them as one time random encounters that can act like mini boss fights. The characters name can be just “Akaviri knight” or “shaman” or whatever their build is. And depending on if their morals align with the character you’ve made they can offer a permanent passive perk and help you out or try and kill you where if you defeat them get a unique item or something (like loads of gold from the bounty hunter) it’d be a nice way of Bethesda acknowledging you guys as well as really cool for the player to randomly come across “the abomination” and other builds.
Talos is the oversoul of lorkhan made of the souls of hjalti early-beard zurin arctus and king wulfharth
the three shezzarines
I already told you before that is not the case.
Your ''interpetation'' is a theory, thus making your statement false.
Talos is not the oversoul. Canon does not support this. You should say that you believe he is the oversoul. That is completely different.
General Falco its my personal interpretion of the lore, do you know what that means? it means its my fanfiction. btw that "theory" is out of game lore by michael kirkbride. ask a members of the lore community what out of game lore is. i'll give you a hint, out of game lore is considered canon by members of the lore community even though it is not canon
General Falco lore and canon are not the same thing. there is canon lore which is whats in the games and those two bad books, and then there is out of game lore which is mostly by former bethesda workers who wrote the lore in the Past like michael kirkbride. and some of it is by the fans on the old bethesda forums. i hope you understand
General Falco lore and canon are not the same thing. there is canon lore which is whats in the games and those two bad books. then there is out of game lore which is mostly by former bethesda workers who wrote the lore in the Past like michael kirkbride. and some of it is by the fans on the old bethesda forums. most members of the lore community take out of game lore as canon even though it is not because people like kirkbride who wrote the lore for redguard morrowind and knights of the nine wrote it so in there minds if he wrote it is must be canon even though its not. i hope you understand you seem to have a good understanding of the canon lore. so the idea of out of game lore may sound like rubish to you.
I'd say personally that Akatosh is Alessia combining the Elven Auriel with the Nordic Alduin.
I think part of the reason that the Aedra are so conceptually malleable is because they are literally part of the mortal world of mundus and in turn are part of mortals as a whole. Hence the beliefs of their descendants can collectively change certain aspects of their being whilst the Daedra, having given up none of their power, are more consistent and constant throughout the ages.
IF FATHER AKATOSH TELLS ME TO WORSHIP THE 9, THEN SO BE IT!
Can you guys do your next builds based on characters dedicated to the princes. For example, Champion of Hermaeus Mora. You have already covered a few of these, so why not all?
It's odd that the more I learn about the 9 the more I find myself drawn to Arkay. From the outside he sounds like some creepy death god but in reality he's so much more. Not just a god of death but a god who protects the the sanctity of it and of life. He's not there to glorify death but rather to show the beauty of life and how death is just another part of that beauty.
Do videos on all the great houses of Morrowind please!
Yay!
16:24 my personal theory is that mehrunes dagon took a nosedive cuz he had nothing to gain from winning that war... Think about it if he wins he would not be needed again and therefore no longer be worshiped and lose all of his might
That isn't how it works.
Last thing I'm going to say to you... You are a sad sad little man... who... according to my vast resources.... has been going around starting arguments. You need to understand that
A: you do not sound smart at all
B: you really need to stop making people angry
C: you are a problem nothing but
D: there is no way that going around HARASSING people.... in the comment section of videos.... Is something TH-cam would be okay with...
Please stop
@@TheImmortalBloodwolf Harassing, lmao.
It is merely pointing out people being wrong. The gods in TES do not gain power from worship, all I did was point that out. If you dislike hearing facts, then maybe keep your nonsense to yourself.
I don't mean to sound rude, but unlike in other games or lores, the Elder Scrolls gods do not necessarily need mortals' worship to be strong. I know it sounds weird, but they were never sapped of their power. They simply need remind people of themselves if they get bored. In fact, it would be very difficult to forget that the Daedra exist, given their constant tampering in mortal affairs.
So wait. The 10th command is basically "Be excellent to eachother"? Who knew they were Wyld Stallyn fans
And so Orky called forth the Ghost of Alduin to devour our years.
I just bought an Amulet of Arkay and an Amulet of Kynareth today!
Should've used temple frescoes mod for this vid ;) they look beautiful
Sithis is the Start of the House. It is through Sithis' sundering of the Nothing that created Auriel/Akatosh. Hail Sithis. #MankarCamoranDidNothingWrong
All right, first, I want to preface my question to FudgeMuppet by saying this: I am quite aware that there are some definite differences between the two Daedric Princes I'm going to bring up. However, while I can usually tell the difference whenever it's brought up, that doesn't mean that there aren't times when I get confused, uncertain, start nitpicking, etc. And from what I've gathered, these two have the most overlap in their sphere of influence, to the point where it's sometimes impossible to tell where they diverge. Who knows, though; perhaps it's because I've got Aspergers, and I hate uncertainty, but I prefer to make things clearer, easier to understand, to keep distinguishable, and the activity of these two princes (their love of betrayal, killing, manipulation, deceit, lying, assassination, etc) are often too similar to do that.
(Ugh, what I wouldn't give for an explanation of the princes and divines from the perspective of someone on the spectrum..., or at least to know of one activity that is completely exclusive to that specific Prince/divine)
Now, I've looked around on the internet, and know that I'm not the only one who's expressed confusion. So, my question/request to FudgeMuppet (assuming that they actually read all the comments and do requests) is this:
What is the difference between the spheres of influence of Boethiah and Mephala? Again, I've managed to ascertain a fair amount of differences (Boethiah, essentially, demands that their followers be the best of the best, look out for number one, and be willing to go to any lengths to achieve their goals, no matter how underhanded. Mephala, however, seems to just like screwing with the lives of mortals for the sheer heck of it), but a more definitive explanation from the 'professional Daedrologist' is something I feel would help clear things up.
Divines be Praised
The thumbnail looks like a screenshot from a DMT trip
I hope Drew continues and gods deeper in the Witcher videos especially since the upcoming show is getting a good bit of hype behind it
Blessings of Akatosh upon ye!
The tenth command comes from Bill and Ted: Be excellent to each other.
With the lore behind specifically the last Dragonborn and him potentially being an embodiment of shor and a son of akatosh in the lore with him at his peak he is on par with kratos it would be sick to see the Dragonborn murder the aedric pantheon
God of intelligence isn't worshiped by the nords of Skyrim that explains a lot actually
Cool
Stendarr Vult!
BY THE NINE DIVINES... ASSAULT! ASSAULT!
You could say they *looks to the left...looks to the right* NEDE a new religion
Is there any hardcover books that explain all the TES lore? I would like to read them
Mara is technically the most powerful/present divine, kinda cool to think about, she is really the only divine present in every pantheon
What about that time the master sword, the sword of evils bane, appeared on the throat of the world? Would that be considered an aedric weapon?
*Is this how you honor the Sixt house? Come to me DAGOTH UR, curer of mortality, banisher of the Empire. Come to him openly and not by stealth! Friend or foe he welcomes you.*
Praise be to Xarxes
AND AKATOSH, IN HIS WISDOM, DID SO...
This might be a stupid question but what visual mods do they use in the video?
Claudiu Tanase Beyond Skyrim: Bruma, highly recommend it
Is there an Aedra god/goddess of the oceans? Or does that role still fall upon Kynareth/Kyne?
Could someone please explain to me what each of the symbols for the Nine Divines are that we see on their altars? I see an anvil for the God of labor but what of the others?
I find it interesting that Kynareth is more important to man than elf in TES lore. In pretty much every fantasy setting it's always man that doesn't respect nature as much as they should
So the High Elves are all like “We were here longer and live longer so you are beneath me! We are closest to the Gods! “
Humans are like yeah fuck that FUS RO DAH
Elves are like HOW DARE YOU DEFEND YOURSELF FROM US SCUM
HUMANS..... are like yeah you aint shit without those long lifespans
Elves ... Well, well.... WE KNOW MAGIC!
Bretons .... Hold my mead
Why are you guys posting at 3 a:m
Makes you re-think your Daedra worshipping ways, doesnt it?
*Eight Divines.
Okay did Akatosh really say "worship the 9 divines?" Because like the video says there were 8 divines for the longest time through out the ages. Was there any real proof that Talos really rose into divinity and became accepted as one of Aedra by the other gods? Im not really well-versed in this specific lore and need some clarification
2:10
The timestamp is what im referring to. It sounds more like something that man said, not Akatosh.
"I'll refrain from talking about Talos' rise from human to divine. That's a topic I'll cover in GREAT detail later this week"... FINALLY. The daedrologist himself, you've made my week 👍👍👍. Probably the best thing I've heard this year.
Great video as always guys 👌
Do a video on St. Patrick!
Hey can someone help me out I can't decide which fudge muppet build to play for skyrim or fallout 4 I like to be all out aggressive and either kill everyone or die trying so if someone could pick a build for me with those two games that would be great
Also something without power armor for fallout 4
I pray more to the nine divines than god in real life becuz it makes more sense to me
wow thalmor you kinda ******** dropped the ball