hi Pan, can i measure the ph of the foam from my local manual washpark with a ph test stripe after i sprayed the foam onto my car or can it be only measured in the concentrate form from the bottle?
Excellent video Pan! IMO touchless washes are great for getting a 75 - 85% clean. Important to only blow dry when doing touchless washes since there are still some remaining contaminants on the surface
Great video Pan. Two things to consider. We’ve been playing with foam cannons and cleaners for about 20 years. I’ve found two things to work better when using foams. Don’t let it soak that long. We foam, reinstall the tip in the pressure washer lance and rinse right away. Usually the foam is on the car for 1-2 minutes tops. Always rinse from the bottom up. These foams are designed to suspend the dirt and use the high pressure rinse to lift the dirt from the surface. Rinsing normally from the top down will rinse the cleaner away before the high pressure rinse can do it’s job. We consistently get better results doing these two things. I know you’re following manufactures recommendations, but I’d be interested to hear your thoughts.
@@donmckinney4091 I’d probably ask you why you’re using a TOUCHLESS foam if you were going to wash the car traditionally anyway. Did you not catch the title of the video, or even watch it lol?
@@axe2grind244 -Sure did but when I go out of town to see my family especially in the winter months I go to a local touchless car wash for my truck. But when I'm in my home state I hand wash it. See how easy that was Einstein? But I'm sure you had a rough time grasping that right?
While going through my last winter wash at a local gas station, I thought about an idea for an episode(s) for your channel. During the winter months most of us living in sub freezing temperatures have no option but to use drive-through car washes. If you can come up with way to compare the different car washes in terms of the quality of the products use, the cleanliness of the water ( recycled water ?), effectiveness of the pressure cleaning / drying etc
@@z-prodidsanziiprod6090 YES! Absolutely do not take your vehicle through an automatic car wash because it IS very bad for your vehicle's paint finish!
I just washed my car in a similar touchless way. If your car is coated and you only have about a week or two of dirt on it, I’d say you can get your car 90% clean (except in the winter months)
Je pense que tu pourrais être excrément surpris par les performances du Traffic Film Remover de la gamme RR Customs Bad Boys. Il est presque équivalent au bilt hamber utilisable en canon à mousse ou juste en pulvérisateur classique
Exact poour le RR .. par contre toi tu commence ton foam du bas vers le haut et Pan de haut en bas .. En fait y'a t'il vraiment un sens pour commencer un foam ???
Thanks for confirming what I suspected, great to see it backed up with tangible evidence, and that’s how you’ve built your reputation. I’m lazy and been missing the contact wash in my regime, definitely makes me rethink my strategy.
yeah.... but what if you refoamed it, again, let dwell and rinsed with slightly higher pressure. this worked best for me it got even more dirt off! "This is the way"
@Greg Sullivan he's using the Kranzle 1122tst adjusted to 1000 0si for max flow over 2 gpm. I used a Karcher1700 with a 3.5 orifice to get 1100 psi and 1.45 gpm. but after rinsing when I refoamed with superclean and soap and used a 2.0 orifice it cleaned the dirt off much better. I got 1520 psi with the smaller tip at 1gpm. so if you're going to do touchless. it's best to forget flow rate and up your pressure. just go over everything thoroughly from the bottom up. 👍
Another good informative video. The touchless products have their usefulness, but there is no substitute for a good contact wash. Nice that you and Andy were helping each other out while educating your viewers. keep up the good work.
interesting wonder why it would take off the existing coating but not that remaining excess dirt.. you would think it would take off 100% of the dirt since it also takes off the coating
Good question. Many contaminates (especially acidic ones like bird droppings, roadkill, bugs guts, ect...) dissolve the Coating(in that isolated area) and adhere directly to the paint/clear. Some even etch into the clearcoat leaving behind visual defects when removed. Iron specs/Rust is another annoyance /example...
Touchless car wash does not work for Canadian winters. It's fine for weekly summer washes to remove pollen but it won't remove all the salt and grim from winter
Hi Pan. I use P&S Brake Buster often on my wheels & tires but it is my understanding that the product does not remove iron. Would you recommend alternating between P&S BB and other products that contain iron removing capabilities like the ones you featured in this video or should I follow P&S BB with an iron remover on the wheeIs? I like P&S because of the rust inhibitors.
I've just got a litre bottle of Gyeon wheel cleaner with Iron removing capability, not used it yet but will use P&S BB afterwards to get a really deep clean
As far as i know, there is only one true "touchless" carwash: Dry ice blasting. Too bad its super expensive and could easily damage the clear coat if not done correctly.
I wonder what the results might have been if the vehicle had been pre-rinsed with the pressure washer, allowed to dry, THEN used the high pH snow foam. The foam had a pretty thick layer of dirt and grime to penetrate to get to the paint.
As long as the dirt level on the car is very minimal yes you could try that. If there’s a good amount of dirt/road grime on the car don’t rinse the car first. Cause that will cause scratching with all the excessive dirt. A pre treat foam would be best first. Unless of course you don’t mind rinsing that dirty of a car.
Technically, pressure washing while it's dirty is still not a form of touchless. You are using high pressure to blast dirt down and in and across the surface.
It could start breaking down older waxes or sealants at 5% PIR. Ceramic coatings can resist it every once in a while but you wouldn’t use 5% PIR every week. 2% is more than enough for regular weekly washes and at that dilution, it won’t harm coatings.
On a side note, Pan - your video showed why I don't like these new spray foaming wheel/tire cleaners everybody is putting out. I also go through about half a bottle per 4 wheels. That's $6 in product per wash!
@@flowinthrou I buy the Hyperfoam in a gallon container and dilute it about 3:1 in a foam pump sprayer. Goes a lot further and is way easier to apply than constantly pulling a trigger. Diluting it doesn’t seem to affect the cleaning power at all.
After trying these type of products I've gone back to using Griots Foaming Tire Cleaner. You get the benefit of the foaming action and about 10-12 car washes out of 1 $8.99 aerosol can.
Its only recommended if your too lazy to do contact wash and you don't really care or want that 100% cleaning. Just removing the majority of the dirt and stuff. Its nice as a regular washing routine. But when you want to flex or your going to have visitors or something, its best to do a proper wash because your reputation as a car guy is at stake 😂
Pan I am a fan but this video I have 2 thing that bothered me. both on the paint and both on the wheels you left the chemicals to dry. I'm using bilt hambers product for a year and I found that since they're very powerful you don't need to let them sit too much. 1-2 minutes is enough. see when you leave it too much, the dirt that is being lifted is starting to dry and stick to the paint wheels, so you gotta find the sweet spot and rinse it before it starts drying again. I have fantastic results with this products, even better than showed on your video, sometimes a contact wash is pointless since bilt hamber products do such a good job. cheers mate.
Out of curiosity, do you prefer the turtle wax hyperfoam over brake buster? I use both since my M brakes create a lot of dust and I tend to use it when the rims are completely soiled. It does seem like the hyperfoam does a lot more work pre agitation, but after agitation the results do look the same. The hyperfoam also runs out incredibly quick compared to brake buster.
Great video just what I was looking for 2023. I am thi king of doing a touchless foam wash once a week for 3 times a month and touch and clean wash once a month. Do you think it's fine on white car. And apply hard etc was once every 6 months ! Is this good or do you recommend Nything better pan. Have a good day. Michael anil Reddy.
I do this method all the time. But I add 1 minute worth of scrubbing with the wheel brush on the wheels/tires. Just a quick agitation takes almost no time before you apply the snow foam.
Hai pan, i think you take the wrong method, if you use touchless you have to use minimum 140 bar - 180 bar pressure washer, the key is the pressure washer , and the shampoo ratio is 1:5 , the method is you use the sprayer to wash the dirt, try it once again you get the result you expected
It's never recommended to use such high pressure when washing cars. 140 bar (2030 psi) to 180 bar (2610 psi) is way too much pressure. Ideally, you want to stay in the 1000-2000 psi range (69-138 bar). Also, the dilution ratio depends on what specific snow foam you are using. Not all snow foams have the same dilution ratio. And in the case of the Bilt Hamber snow foams, they go even further and ask you to determine the correct PIR (panel impact ratio) for your specific pressure washer and foam cannon setup. Precise measurements. So I used the correct PIR for my setup. Regardless of how well you think your pre-wash does, you always have to follow up with a contact wash for 100% clean results. There's no way around that.
Same! My car has a solid ceramic topped regularly with reload… took it to our local “touchless” place - easily the worst $8 I have wasted in my life - now I can’t decide if it takes a better or worse place vs the oregon vortex where I wasted $7 in college for complete bs “science” I will say the gyeon ceramic detailer tends to be more favorable vs the older reload
I detailed the X3M yesterday and was humming/muttering a beat the whole time. Had no idea what beat it was until I just watched this video… it was your intro beat 😂! I obviously watch your videos on repeat sim nights lol.
The best snow foam that actually lifts and clean is bilthamber touchless perhaps the best snowfoam and this is all I use in my detailing business is bilthamber products
Hey Pan! I've recently watched a video about Doug DeMuro's arms opening while saying 'Thiiis', and it's width change over the years. Have you measured your opening while saying 'Paaaann'? 😂 Thanks again for your videos
Yes ! I have been wanting you to do something like this. I do this all the time. I follow up with a rinseless wash. Then while the surface is still wet I clay mitt as needed with properly deluted rinseless as clay lube.then just drying add with protection and done.
Interesting... Which I'm Disabled and can't contect wash my Mustang as much as I like but It also mainly just has dust on it from only being driven 1,000ish miles a year... So I was wondering if touchless wash would be right for me? Which I don't mind waxing nearly as much... So yeah great testing I have alot of thinking to do.
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You make an excellent point with the PIR. On those vehicles with heavy mud and road grime, the higher PIR will do the better cleaning. For maintenance washes, the lower PIR (around 1) will do the cleaning with minimal wear and tear on the protection. As a rule, I apply protection in the form of a sealant or sealant and wax on any vehicle that isn't on a maintenance schedule. This gives the customer the benefit of high gloss and solid protection for as long as possible. Thank you for the excellent video! I have to admit, I would not consider a touchless wash on any vehicle as my obsession with cleanliness won't allow it - I have to do a contact wash as well :)
I knew what the result would be before Pan started the wash, because that much caked on dirt will not just loosen and float away without mechanical agitation. My feeling is that the quick removal of a thin, loose layer of dust just acquired CAN be removed this way, leaving a very clean surface. It really depends on whether the car is relatively clean and surface protected or it needs even a little deep cleaning.
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I did the brushless automated car wash on my brand new Dodge truck from the very start. Car wash was close so I would drive it immediately home and park under the carport. I then had 25 or so microfiber rags pre wrung out. I would then, with a one-way motion, wipe the dirt away folding and turning the rag often. I also had a dry microfiber rag to wipe it all dry behind me. It worked great and for over 10 years I never had any micro scratches that I could see at all. It was a dark metallic paint. I was living in the eastern desert of Washington state at the time.
Can I use BH TouchLess after TAR spray[before claying, machining and coating]?? Tar spray needs to be flushed with some detergent, not like Iron just with the water?
You wash the car first, before using tar and iron removers. Once the tar stage is done, all that is needed is to thoroughly rinse. Or you can rewash the car quickly or blanket with a pH neutral snow foam and rinse again.
Pan is the staple for testing the limits of these things we do just about every time we detail. Probably one of the best I know in the business. Well done sir
Thanks for helpful info! Not sure why youtube coughs up replies asking for texts (area code was either for california or canada)....has happened on other youtube channels as spam so I reported it (if I'm wrong, my apologies!).
Yeah lots of spamming and fake accounts. I never ask people for their information or ask them to text me. When you look at the user name it’s usually a weird name and they ask for Whatsapp stuff. I don’t even use Whatsapp
Do u ever try a brand called 'TOTAL WASH'.. if not, i would glad to see u test their products, cause they said it was specially made for off road vehicles..
My workhorse 2015 Lincoln MKS gets a full automatic contact wash hundreds of times per year. My wash package allows me unlimited passes. And some winter days, I may go through 3 times. But I keep it, clay bar'd, polished and waxed. It's got over 370k miles and while the finish is not showroom new, it still shines like crazy when clean...no touchless washes here...
It's called touchless as it's designed to be a pre wash without contact, and the shampoo/protection product is called touch on. Rather than it being designed to wash a car fully without any contact.
Life is too short for contact wash. Wash car every weekend with Walmart Blue Coral Wash & Wax (used to be $3.88) with foam canon and you are good. Car will get dirty again. No Point washing with hand.
Why I always do a triple rinse before touching the car. Rince the car with firm pressure and wait a few minutes. Usually Ill get all my washing gear organized and ready after the first thorough rinse . Then rinse again twice before even touching the car.
Question, I usually see a vehicle sprayed with the pressure washer before any foaming chemicals are applied, does the directions on the Touchless soap state that this step wasn’t needed?
There are two schools of thought when using snow foams for the pre-wash. Some like to foam on dry paint (as the foam clings on better and isn't diluted by water on the surface). Some like to pre-rinse first, to knock off the loose dirt and debris, and then foam. Both methods are good, depending on your preference. I find that foaming on dry paint works a bit better most of the time. If you want to pre-rinse first, at least spray a rinseless wash as a pre-treat first, then rinse. The rinseless wash will act as a lubricant to encapsulate the dirt before you blast your paint with 1000-2000 psi of pressure.
Wow after watching all these videos on car washing I’m gonna avoid drive throughs totally unless necessary & touch-less is better, but self serve is my best bet.
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Hi! Just wanted advice. I'm very sensitive with swirl marks and scratches. I used to wash my car in the garage myself. But I moved to an apartment with no water supply and hose in the garage giving me only tunnel car wash as an option to clean my car. I know improper ones can scratch, but if I always have a proper layer of wax, will that guarantee that my car won't get swirl marks in the long run? I dry my car properly with microfiber so its just the automatic car wash I'm worried about. Thanks!
Have you heard of Chem-X and their Stars and Stripes touchless wash product? They are awesome and do a fantastic touchless job. Their youtube channel has plenty of work done using them and they even have a touchless sealant product too called Snake oil.
Bilt Hamber Touch-Less foam works best when used as a system with Bilt Hamber Touch-On ceramic paint protection, after the initial wash and easy application, your car stays cleaner for longer and subsequent washes just require a blast with the Touch-Less foam until a reapplication of Touch-On is required depending on the time of year. I have had comments about how my car always looks clean despite not washing it that regularly.
I would like to see a Bilt Hamber products test. I use BH auto wheel, and after trying at least 12 wheel cleaners, I found the BH product to be the best. It reacts the quickest as an iron fallout remover, yet it also has fantastic cleaning ability too. I use BH auto foam in an Auto Glym foam gun, which gives a thick foam, but not too thick that it doesn't do it's job which is to slide the dirt off the paint surface. Good to see you rinse top to bottom, which is always how you should imo. I see a few rinsing snow foam bottom to top, WHY ??? What is the point of rinsing the dirtiest part of a car (the bottom bit) upwards onto the cleanest part ? I think valeters and detailers who go against gravity also think the earth is flat too.
Hi Pan, is it worth jet washing the vehicle first, then put the B-H foam on? I find if you do this the chemicals do a much better job of getting deeper in to the grime. P&S Brakebuster is my go to wheel and tyres, but is there something better for really dirty tyres initially? I'm about to do first cleans on my brothers cars for his garage, not to your or my level but a decent level, so was thinking a TFR (traffic film remover) as a first job, but seems the B-H is better? Where did you get the protector end on the car dryer, I have one of these and its great but sometimes just touch the car so a protected nozzle would be very good? Thanks for the info as always, my go to for anything I need looking at. Enjoy the spring!
the product is not supposed to be a contactless wash. Its just a normal pre wash called Touch-less because it cleans more, therefore you have to touch it less to contact clean afterwards. So perhaps the wrong product to debunk the myth.
I think you completely missed the purpose of this video. Many people think a pre-wash with an alkaline snow foam is enough to clean a car. This video was to debunk that myth and show that although pre-wash with a snow foam is a crucial step of detailing, it will not 100% clean the surface. A contact wash is always necessary. And to further add to that, regardless of what "touchless" snow foam you might think works, it will still always need a contact wash afterwards, to get 100% clean surface, especially if the vehicle is actually dirty. There is no such thing as a 100% contactless wash.
I think touchless wash is achievable But probably not cost effective. My first idea is to refoam Bilt hammer when the car is dry or even trying products for road grime/film. 2nd after the first foam go closer with the presser washer but not too close to remove paint. Depends on the pressure and flow rate. Have removed 90% of floor resin with a pressure washer and the rest with cutting compound and rotary.
Hello from Chicago! You and I met a few weeks ago at The Bays Romeoville, Illinois location and talked a little bit about my experience with Jescar UltraLock (ceramic). The first time I washed the car was after applying UltraLock was after Chicago Streets and Sanitation workers applied more salt and sodium chloride to the roads than measurable snow. Needless to say, my Subaru Outback was coated with salt a sodium, and crud. When it came time to wash, I applied a ph neutral car shampoo for the UltraLock’s first wash, I was amazed as all the salt, sodium and road grime simply slipped off the car and onto the alley during the rinse. For a moment, I thought I discovered a car detailers nirvana! However, the second wash left grime and the third wash left grime. You’re right-touch less car wash is a myth! Thanks for the video!
What do you think about people who say "all these car cleaning products are really just the same thing marketed 50 different times and aren't different in any way from each other"
You can probably mix your own touchless cleaner by using autoshampoo/snow foam plus a regular alkaline cleaner (like KC Greenstar). According to my understanding you only need the consistency of the snowfoam to make the alkaline cleaner stay on the surface for longer. Snowfoam plus alkaline cleaner will give you just that.
Pan, what am I doing wrong? I tried to do a touchless wash and that didnt work, so I decided to wash my truck in the safest way possible since its band new and I dont want to scratch the clearcoat. I went out and I bought a dozen of Microfiber Chenille Mitts to wash my brand new black truck with my foam cannon. I foamed the entire truck and I let the soap dwell for a little bit and then I used a clean wash mitt for a small section. As soon as I was done I tossed the dirty mitt in a bucket and I used a clean unused mitt on the next section. When I air dried the truck I noticed some small swirl marks on the paint. I dont understand how this happened?? Do you have any idea what I did wrong?
For a proper touchless wash, a 2 chemical system works great for myself. I am using Chem-X’s Stars & Stripes with great results. It is also helpful to have a high GPM machine for this. I am using a 4.5 GPM machine.
Panner checks Bob's video from chem X ...he has a cleaner and neutralizer that he uses on big rigs, etc..and the results are pretty impressive.. No agitation, and he wipes like you did with a white paper towel at the end to show its clean
The pre-wash is actually great for removing a lot of loose dirt and debris BEFORE the contact wash, that way, when you are hand washing the vehicle, there is a lot less surface dirt, so less chances of scratching and swirling the surface. So yes the snow foam is a great first step, but you still need to follow up with a contact wash stage.
I use the Gyeon Foam Q2M for this and it works amazing. Let it sit 2 minutes and spray off. It's so good I may even replace my Brake Buster in my IK foam sprayer with the Q2M foam because it takes almost all brake dust off the wheel without touching it.
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Pan I know it’s a pain in the arse but all the Amazon links say products unavailable it’s worth fixing as I was going to buy the snow foam
hi Pan, can i measure the ph of the foam from my local manual washpark with a ph test stripe after i sprayed the foam onto my car or can it be only measured in the concentrate form from the bottle?
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Excellent video Pan! IMO touchless washes are great for getting a 75 - 85% clean. Important to only blow dry when doing touchless washes since there are still some remaining contaminants on the surface
Great video Pan. Two things to consider. We’ve been playing with foam cannons and cleaners for about 20 years. I’ve found two things to work better when using foams. Don’t let it soak that long. We foam, reinstall the tip in the pressure washer lance and rinse right away. Usually the foam is on the car for 1-2 minutes tops. Always rinse from the bottom up. These foams are designed to suspend the dirt and use the high pressure rinse to lift the dirt from the surface. Rinsing normally from the top down will rinse the cleaner away before the high pressure rinse can do it’s job. We consistently get better results doing these two things. I know you’re following manufactures recommendations, but I’d be interested to hear your thoughts.
That sounds good but what about using a mit and the two bucket method after you've applied the foam?
I've indeed found that rinsing from bottom up gives better results
@@donmckinney4091 I’d probably ask you why you’re using a TOUCHLESS foam if you were going to wash the car traditionally anyway. Did you not catch the title of the video, or even watch it lol?
@@axe2grind244 -Sure did but when I go out of town to see my family especially in the winter months I go to a local touchless car wash for my truck. But when I'm in my home state I hand wash it. See how easy that was Einstein? But I'm sure you had a rough time grasping that right?
@@donmckinney4091 you wrote you want to apply a mit after you sprayed the touchless foam on it. that indeed doesnt make sense.
While going through my last winter wash at a local gas station, I thought about an idea for an episode(s) for your channel. During the winter months most of us living in sub freezing temperatures have no option but to use drive-through car washes. If you can come up with way to compare the different car washes in terms of the quality of the products use, the cleanliness of the water ( recycled water ?), effectiveness of the pressure cleaning / drying etc
exact Same concern here! cannot find any info about these auto Car wash machine
@@z-prodidsanziiprod6090 YES! Absolutely do not take your vehicle through an automatic car wash because it IS very bad for your vehicle's paint finish!
I just washed my car in a similar touchless way. If your car is coated and you only have about a week or two of dirt on it, I’d say you can get your car 90% clean (except in the winter months)
Je pense que tu pourrais être excrément surpris par les performances du Traffic Film Remover de la gamme RR Customs Bad Boys.
Il est presque équivalent au bilt hamber utilisable en canon à mousse ou juste en pulvérisateur classique
Exact poour le RR .. par contre toi tu commence ton foam du bas vers le haut et Pan de haut en bas .. En fait y'a t'il vraiment un sens pour commencer un foam ???
Thanks for confirming what I suspected, great to see it backed up with tangible evidence, and that’s how you’ve built your reputation.
I’m lazy and been missing the contact wash in my regime, definitely makes me rethink my strategy.
Thanks for the kind words. It’s nice to see that my efforts to make thorough tests is appreciated by you guys in my audience.
Can you do a review on Chem-X’s Stars and Stripes touchless wash?
Best channel on YT !
But, I do hope You didn't allow him to leave without doing a proper wash on it 😋 The Pan-way 😎
Thanks!! 👍🏻🤜🏻🤛🏻
Hello, would like to ask, is the foam soap used for touchless wash with PH 12 or 13 safe for car with CERAMIC COATING and PPF?
Never got an answer, huh?
yeah.... but what if you refoamed it, again, let dwell and rinsed with slightly higher pressure. this worked best for me it got even more dirt off!
"This is the way"
@Greg Sullivan he's using the Kranzle 1122tst adjusted to 1000 0si for max flow over 2 gpm. I used a Karcher1700 with a 3.5 orifice to get 1100 psi and 1.45 gpm. but after rinsing when I refoamed with superclean and soap and used a 2.0 orifice it cleaned the dirt off much better. I got 1520 psi with the smaller tip at 1gpm. so if you're going to do touchless. it's best to forget flow rate and up your pressure. just go over everything thoroughly from the bottom up. 👍
Another good informative video. The touchless products have their usefulness, but there is no substitute for a good contact wash. Nice that you and Andy were helping each other out while educating your viewers.
keep up the good work.
Thanks Daniel!
Andy’s smart when his car gets dirty he brings it to Pan!😂😂😂
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I think a contactless wash is best used for maintenance washes. This car was pretty dirty, to begin with. You're the man Pan
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interesting wonder why it would take off the existing coating but not that remaining excess dirt.. you would think it would take off 100% of the dirt since it also takes off the coating
Good question.
Many contaminates (especially acidic ones like bird droppings, roadkill, bugs guts, ect...) dissolve the Coating(in that isolated area) and adhere directly to the paint/clear. Some even etch into the clearcoat leaving behind visual defects when removed. Iron specs/Rust is another annoyance /example...
Why not Ammonia? Sure it smells horrid, but its the highest PH you're going to find :)
Andy is lucky to have Pan as a brother who can help him out.
Pan is the brother for all of us! Lol
Pan is happy to have a presentation vehicle so close !
It’s tough having to compete with a very handsome brother.
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since pans cars are pristine, it’s nice to see how the products work on a non-detailers car
I would love to see a comparison with this foam versus a rinse less. Those companies feel like their product precleans very well
I use LA’s Totally Awesome for my wheels and tires. Works great and it’s only a $1. I do use a brush.
Touchless car wash does not work for Canadian winters. It's fine for weekly summer washes to remove pollen but it won't remove all the salt and grim from winter
Hi Pan. I use P&S Brake Buster often on my wheels & tires but it is my understanding that the product does not remove iron. Would you recommend alternating between P&S BB and other products that contain iron removing capabilities like the ones you featured in this video or should I follow P&S BB with an iron remover on the wheeIs? I like P&S because of the rust inhibitors.
I've just got a litre bottle of Gyeon wheel cleaner with Iron removing capability, not used it yet but will use P&S BB afterwards to get a really deep clean
As far as i know, there is only one true "touchless" carwash: Dry ice blasting. Too bad its super expensive and could easily damage the clear coat if not done correctly.
I wonder what the results might have been if the vehicle had been pre-rinsed with the pressure washer, allowed to dry, THEN used the high pH snow foam. The foam had a pretty thick layer of dirt and grime to penetrate to get to the paint.
As long as the dirt level on the car is very minimal yes you could try that. If there’s a good amount of dirt/road grime on the car don’t rinse the car first. Cause that will cause scratching with all the excessive dirt. A pre treat foam would be best first. Unless of course you don’t mind rinsing that dirty of a car.
At that point just wash the car manually.
I’m suggesting this as a test to see just how effective the foam would be, not as a recommended procedure.
Technically, pressure washing while it's dirty is still not a form of touchless. You are using high pressure to blast dirt down and in and across the surface.
@@The1Music2MyEars Technically, no.
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It could start breaking down older waxes or sealants at 5% PIR. Ceramic coatings can resist it every once in a while but you wouldn’t use 5% PIR every week. 2% is more than enough for regular weekly washes and at that dilution, it won’t harm coatings.
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On a side note, Pan - your video showed why I don't like these new spray foaming wheel/tire cleaners everybody is putting out. I also go through about half a bottle per 4 wheels. That's $6 in product per wash!
It's rediculous, they hold for 1 or 2 washes
@@flowinthrou I buy the Hyperfoam in a gallon container and dilute it about 3:1 in a foam pump sprayer. Goes a lot further and is way easier to apply than constantly pulling a trigger. Diluting it doesn’t seem to affect the cleaning power at all.
@@jimshinosky9041 I do this, too.
After trying these type of products I've gone back to using Griots Foaming Tire Cleaner. You get the benefit of the foaming action and about 10-12 car washes out of 1 $8.99 aerosol can.
I think he means Super Foam (Sfn) from KCx when he says "magic foam".
Its only recommended if your too lazy to do contact wash and you don't really care or want that 100% cleaning. Just removing the majority of the dirt and stuff.
Its nice as a regular washing routine.
But when you want to flex or your going to have visitors or something, its best to do a proper wash because your reputation as a car guy is at stake 😂
Pan I am a fan but this video I have 2 thing that bothered me.
both on the paint and both on the wheels you left the chemicals to dry. I'm using bilt hambers product for a year and I found that since they're very powerful you don't need to let them sit too much. 1-2 minutes is enough. see when you leave it too much, the dirt that is being lifted is starting to dry and stick to the paint wheels, so you gotta find the sweet spot and rinse it before it starts drying again. I have fantastic results with this products, even better than showed on your video, sometimes a contact wash is pointless since bilt hamber products do such a good job. cheers mate.
Out of curiosity, do you prefer the turtle wax hyperfoam over brake buster? I use both since my M brakes create a lot of dust and I tend to use it when the rims are completely soiled. It does seem like the hyperfoam does a lot more work pre agitation, but after agitation the results do look the same. The hyperfoam also runs out incredibly quick compared to brake buster.
Yes i too would like to know what you thought of the wheel cleaner
Frr yea what’s the best wheel cleaner with lots of break dust
Great video just what I was looking for 2023. I am thi king of doing a touchless foam wash once a week for 3 times a month and touch and clean wash once a month. Do you think it's fine on white car. And apply hard etc was once every 6 months ! Is this good or do you recommend Nything better pan. Have a good day. Michael anil Reddy.
A touchless wash will never get your car 100% clean. You always have to follow up with a contact wash. That’s the entire point of this video.
@@PanTheOrganizer go it 👍. But is weekly once wash good ! Or over doing it.
I wash my car twice weekly. You can wash your car as often as you want.
But don’t use high pH shampoos every week. It would strip waxes and sealants.
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I do this method all the time. But I add 1 minute worth of scrubbing with the wheel brush on the wheels/tires. Just a quick agitation takes almost no time before you apply the snow foam.
I think it relley depens where you live, I was a car detailer freak, some years ago. Now i onwly do touchless car wash.
Pan after the 5 minutes most of it looks like it dried
Thanks Pan. Great video, your expertise are greatly appreciated.
Thanks Daren!
Hai pan, i think you take the wrong method, if you use touchless you have to use minimum 140 bar - 180 bar pressure washer, the key is the pressure washer , and the shampoo ratio is 1:5 , the method is you use the sprayer to wash the dirt, try it once again you get the result you expected
It's never recommended to use such high pressure when washing cars. 140 bar (2030 psi) to 180 bar (2610 psi) is way too much pressure. Ideally, you want to stay in the 1000-2000 psi range (69-138 bar).
Also, the dilution ratio depends on what specific snow foam you are using. Not all snow foams have the same dilution ratio. And in the case of the Bilt Hamber snow foams, they go even further and ask you to determine the correct PIR (panel impact ratio) for your specific pressure washer and foam cannon setup. Precise measurements. So I used the correct PIR for my setup.
Regardless of how well you think your pre-wash does, you always have to follow up with a contact wash for 100% clean results. There's no way around that.
The touchless wash in the car wash is a scam imo. It’s $12.00 where I live and cleans 5%. I did it just to try it once. Never again
Same! My car has a solid ceramic topped regularly with reload… took it to our local “touchless” place - easily the worst $8 I have wasted in my life - now I can’t decide if it takes a better or worse place vs the oregon vortex where I wasted $7 in college for complete bs “science”
I will say the gyeon ceramic detailer tends to be more favorable vs the older reload
I detailed the X3M yesterday and was humming/muttering a beat the whole time. Had no idea what beat it was until I just watched this video… it was your intro beat 😂! I obviously watch your videos on repeat sim nights lol.
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The best snow foam that actually lifts and clean is bilthamber touchless perhaps the best snowfoam and this is all I use in my detailing business is bilthamber products
Hey Pan! I've recently watched a video about Doug DeMuro's arms opening while saying 'Thiiis', and it's width change over the years. Have you measured your opening while saying 'Paaaann'? 😂 Thanks again for your videos
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Dude, throw those products in the bin and get onto WR Performance Products 😅
Yes ! I have been wanting you to do something like this. I do this all the time. I follow up with a rinseless wash. Then while the surface is still wet I clay mitt as needed with properly deluted rinseless as clay lube.then just drying add with protection and done.
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The AZ shade during the summer is still like 100F, at least!
Interesting... Which I'm Disabled and can't contect wash my Mustang as much as I like but It also mainly just has dust on it from only being driven 1,000ish miles a year... So I was wondering if touchless wash would be right for me? Which I don't mind waxing nearly as much... So yeah great testing I have alot of thinking to do.
Really good quality car wash tutorial. Way better than other people’s videos
I appreciate that! Welcome to my channel. You discovered one of the biggest car detailing channels on TH-cam as we surpassed 1 million subscribers and we have over 145 million views! I have been detailing for 27 years and I love to share my knowledge and passion with my viewers.
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Yo Andy!!
A touchless wash would be a godsend but mind as well just go the extra step and hand wash to get the best results.
Exactly
You make an excellent point with the PIR. On those vehicles with heavy mud and road grime, the higher PIR will do the better cleaning. For maintenance washes, the lower PIR (around 1) will do the cleaning with minimal wear and tear on the protection. As a rule, I apply protection in the form of a sealant or sealant and wax on any vehicle that isn't on a maintenance schedule. This gives the customer the benefit of high gloss and solid protection for as long as possible. Thank you for the excellent video! I have to admit, I would not consider a touchless wash on any vehicle as my obsession with cleanliness won't allow it - I have to do a contact wash as well :)
I knew what the result would be before Pan started the wash, because that much caked on dirt will not just loosen and float away without mechanical agitation. My feeling is that the quick removal of a thin, loose layer of dust just acquired CAN be removed this way, leaving a very clean surface. It really depends on whether the car is relatively clean and surface protected or it needs even a little deep cleaning.
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You could get that same results with the power washer alone
I did the brushless automated car wash on my brand new Dodge truck from the very start. Car wash was close so I would drive it immediately home and park under the carport. I then had 25 or so microfiber rags pre wrung out. I would then, with a one-way motion, wipe the dirt away folding and turning the rag often. I also had a dry microfiber rag to wipe it all dry behind me. It worked great and for over 10 years I never had any micro scratches that I could see at all. It was a dark metallic paint. I was living in the eastern desert of Washington state at the time.
Excellent video Pan on touchless wash. Never knew about Bilt Hamber touchless.
Thanks Danny!
Andy back in the House! Hi Andy. Must be nice to have Pan helping with your car.
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Can I use BH TouchLess after TAR spray[before claying, machining and coating]?? Tar spray needs to be flushed with some detergent, not like Iron just with the water?
You wash the car first, before using tar and iron removers. Once the tar stage is done, all that is needed is to thoroughly rinse. Or you can rewash the car quickly or blanket with a pH neutral snow foam and rinse again.
Pan is the staple for testing the limits of these things we do just about every time we detail. Probably one of the best I know in the business. Well done sir
Thanks Brandon!
Thanks for helpful info! Not sure why youtube coughs up replies asking for texts (area code was either for california or canada)....has happened on other youtube channels as spam so I reported it (if I'm wrong, my apologies!).
Yeah lots of spamming and fake accounts. I never ask people for their information or ask them to text me. When you look at the user name it’s usually a weird name and they ask for Whatsapp stuff. I don’t even use Whatsapp
Great video, showing the difference and real world evidence of SFs.
They certainly help but are definitely not miracle workers.
No touch except for the water coming out at 1500 psi lol
I’ve seen Koch Chemi MSN used a touch less wheel cleaner
Do u ever try a brand called 'TOTAL WASH'.. if not, i would glad to see u test their products, cause they said it was specially made for off road vehicles..
Never heard of them
Great video. Always nice to see a fellow Canuck making good content. This should raise everyones detailing skills up another level.
Thanks Craig! :)
man i still love touchless car wash. that little bit dirt is not concerning
My workhorse 2015 Lincoln MKS gets a full automatic contact wash hundreds of times per year. My wash package allows me unlimited passes. And some winter days, I may go through 3 times. But I keep it, clay bar'd, polished and waxed. It's got over 370k miles and while the finish is not showroom new, it still shines like crazy when clean...no touchless washes here...
For your brother it truely was "touchless". You did all the work.....lol. I use turtle was graphed infused products including their detail mist.
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It's called touchless as it's designed to be a pre wash without contact, and the shampoo/protection product is called touch on. Rather than it being designed to wash a car fully without any contact.
Life is too short for contact wash. Wash car every weekend with Walmart Blue Coral Wash & Wax (used to be $3.88) with foam canon and you are good. Car will get dirty again. No Point washing with hand.
If you want touchless you have to go with chem x👍
I love the hybrid stuff
Why I always do a triple rinse before touching the car. Rince the car with firm pressure and wait a few minutes. Usually Ill get all my washing gear organized and ready after the first thorough rinse . Then rinse again twice before even touching the car.
There are many different ways to wash a car indeed.
Question, I usually see a vehicle sprayed with the pressure washer before any foaming chemicals are applied, does the directions on the Touchless soap state that this step wasn’t needed?
There are two schools of thought when using snow foams for the pre-wash. Some like to foam on dry paint (as the foam clings on better and isn't diluted by water on the surface). Some like to pre-rinse first, to knock off the loose dirt and debris, and then foam.
Both methods are good, depending on your preference. I find that foaming on dry paint works a bit better most of the time. If you want to pre-rinse first, at least spray a rinseless wash as a pre-treat first, then rinse. The rinseless wash will act as a lubricant to encapsulate the dirt before you blast your paint with 1000-2000 psi of pressure.
Wow after watching all these videos on car washing I’m gonna avoid drive throughs totally unless necessary & touch-less is better, but self serve is my best bet.
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lol, only rich people can afford having someone spend hours washing a car, what is the easiest least damaging way to wash a black car?
See my popular car wash tutorial: th-cam.com/video/7Koj5j2Es5U/w-d-xo.html
With that, you can do as good a job as any professional detailer would, if you take the time to do things right.
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Pan, I’m curious as to why you’re using the heavy leaf blower instead of the Bigboi Blowr Pro hanging on your wall? 😂
It’s my favourite of my three blowers as it’s the most practical of all. Take it, use it, put it back.
Would love to see comparison between King Carthur Snow Foam and Gyeon Snow Foam :)
Hi! Just wanted advice. I'm very sensitive with swirl marks and scratches. I used to wash my car in the garage myself. But I moved to an apartment with no water supply and hose in the garage giving me only tunnel car wash as an option to clean my car. I know improper ones can scratch, but if I always have a proper layer of wax, will that guarantee that my car won't get swirl marks in the long run? I dry my car properly with microfiber so its just the automatic car wash I'm worried about. Thanks!
Have you tested the Chem-X Stars and Stripes? If so, how does it compare with Bilt Hamber and the others you named?
I haven’t tested that product.
Bilt hamber is my favorite brand easily
I think it's gonna be quite costly if do touchless car wash. Everything must be sprayed "extra". But yeah, you'll save the time from there.
Have you tried the Wash Chems Pro 100 or Pro 50? I have been using them lately and they have been giving me impressive results.
I haven't.
Have you heard of Chem-X and their Stars and Stripes touchless wash product? They are awesome and do a fantastic touchless job. Their youtube channel has plenty of work done using them and they even have a touchless sealant product too called Snake oil.
Bilt Hamber Touch-Less foam works best when used as a system with Bilt Hamber Touch-On ceramic paint protection, after the initial wash and easy application, your car stays cleaner for longer and subsequent washes just require a blast with the Touch-Less foam until a reapplication of Touch-On is required depending on the time of year. I have had comments about how my car always looks clean despite not washing it that regularly.
I would like to see a Bilt Hamber products test.
I use BH auto wheel, and after trying at least 12 wheel cleaners, I found the BH product to be the best. It reacts the quickest as an iron fallout remover, yet it also has fantastic cleaning ability too.
I use BH auto foam in an Auto Glym foam gun, which gives a thick foam, but not too thick that it doesn't do it's job which is to slide the dirt off the paint surface.
Good to see you rinse top to bottom, which is always how you should imo. I see a few rinsing snow foam bottom to top, WHY ??? What is the point of rinsing the dirtiest part of a car (the bottom bit) upwards onto the cleanest part ? I think valeters and detailers who go against gravity also think the earth is flat too.
Hi Pan,
is it worth jet washing the vehicle first, then put the B-H foam on?
I find if you do this the chemicals do a much better job of getting deeper in to the grime.
P&S Brakebuster is my go to wheel and tyres, but is there something better for really dirty tyres initially?
I'm about to do first cleans on my brothers cars for his garage, not to your or my level but a decent level, so was thinking a TFR (traffic film remover) as a first job, but seems the B-H is better?
Where did you get the protector end on the car dryer, I have one of these and its great but sometimes just touch the car so a protected nozzle would be very good?
Thanks for the info as always, my go to for anything I need looking at.
Enjoy the spring!
What about washing the bottom of the car which is more necessary here since all the salt of the road is accumulated there and is going to lead to rust
See how I clean door jambs in this video: th-cam.com/video/0yu6AJcopG8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=3iuDZ-lY81goeFnH
By the way, I bet you could save buttloads of time if you also used a compressor fed foam-gun or spray-gun for thr rim cleaner.
I typically use a foam cannon with diluted Brake Buster. As you can see in this video: th-cam.com/video/0irxWvQylds/w-d-xo.html
the product is not supposed to be a contactless wash. Its just a normal pre wash called Touch-less because it cleans more, therefore you have to touch it less to contact clean afterwards. So perhaps the wrong product to debunk the myth.
I think you completely missed the purpose of this video. Many people think a pre-wash with an alkaline snow foam is enough to clean a car. This video was to debunk that myth and show that although pre-wash with a snow foam is a crucial step of detailing, it will not 100% clean the surface. A contact wash is always necessary.
And to further add to that, regardless of what "touchless" snow foam you might think works, it will still always need a contact wash afterwards, to get 100% clean surface, especially if the vehicle is actually dirty. There is no such thing as a 100% contactless wash.
I've made several attempts. The results are similar to yours. There is a film layer left on, so it's not actually clean, I won't bother again.
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I think touchless wash is achievable But probably not cost effective. My first idea is to refoam Bilt hammer when the car is dry or even trying products for road grime/film. 2nd after the first foam go closer with the presser washer but not too close to remove paint. Depends on the pressure and flow rate. Have removed 90% of floor resin with a pressure washer and the rest with cutting compound and rotary.
Hello from Chicago! You and I met a few weeks ago at The Bays Romeoville, Illinois location and talked a little bit about my experience with Jescar UltraLock (ceramic). The first time I washed the car was after applying UltraLock was after Chicago Streets and Sanitation workers applied more salt and sodium chloride to the roads than measurable snow. Needless to say, my Subaru Outback was coated with salt a sodium, and crud. When it came time to wash, I applied a ph neutral car shampoo for the UltraLock’s first wash, I was amazed as all the salt, sodium and road grime simply slipped off the car and onto the alley during the rinse. For a moment, I thought I discovered a car detailers nirvana! However, the second wash left grime and the third wash left grime. You’re right-touch less car wash is a myth! Thanks for the video!
What do you think about people who say "all these car cleaning products are really just the same thing marketed 50 different times and aren't different in any way from each other"
This touchless foam can use every week ?
Because the PH not nuture , the car paint will destroy if i use every week ?
I wouldn't recommend using such high pH snow foams on a weekly basis, unless you use Touch-Less at a much lower 2% PIR.
You can probably mix your own touchless cleaner by using autoshampoo/snow foam plus a regular alkaline cleaner (like KC Greenstar). According to my understanding you only need the consistency of the snowfoam to make the alkaline cleaner stay on the surface for longer. Snowfoam plus alkaline cleaner will give you just that.
Pan, what am I doing wrong? I tried to do a touchless wash and that didnt work, so I decided to wash my truck in the safest way possible since its band new and I dont want to scratch the clearcoat. I went out and I bought a dozen of Microfiber Chenille Mitts to wash my brand new black truck with my foam cannon. I foamed the entire truck and I let the soap dwell for a little bit and then I used a clean wash mitt for a small section. As soon as I was done I tossed the dirty mitt in a bucket and I used a clean unused mitt on the next section. When I air dried the truck I noticed some small swirl marks on the paint. I dont understand how this happened?? Do you have any idea what I did wrong?
Hi pan I use Gtechniq iron remover they come up perfectly clean everytime without touching them , my wheels have ceramic pro on though
Yes a coated wheel is much easier to clean.
For a proper touchless wash, a 2 chemical system works great for myself. I am using Chem-X’s Stars & Stripes with great results. It is also helpful to have a high GPM machine for this. I am using a 4.5 GPM machine.
I do a pressure wash, touchless wash, and then a hand wash, and then rinse. It's pretty quick and gives me good results.
I am interested in PPF and even possibly a ceramic coat on top of that. What are your thoughts on how to keep these treated cars clean
See my simple tutorial on how to do a maintenance wash of a ceramic coated vehicle: th-cam.com/video/IqIW78FmRYU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=LRcMYvy8Df2t-ol4
Panner checks Bob's video from chem X ...he has a cleaner and neutralizer that he uses on big rigs, etc..and the results are pretty impressive..
No agitation, and he wipes like you did with a white paper towel at the end to show its clean
Start dirty car, result dirty looking car but its a small layer of dirt. Not worth for the environment to use so much chemicals
The pre-wash is actually great for removing a lot of loose dirt and debris BEFORE the contact wash, that way, when you are hand washing the vehicle, there is a lot less surface dirt, so less chances of scratching and swirling the surface.
So yes the snow foam is a great first step, but you still need to follow up with a contact wash stage.
I use the Gyeon Foam Q2M for this and it works amazing. Let it sit 2 minutes and spray off. It's so good I may even replace my Brake Buster in my IK foam sprayer with the Q2M foam because it takes almost all brake dust off the wheel without touching it.