One small point I disagree with is that just because MOST of the game is getting more complex doesn’t mean that every champion needs more abilities and combos and multiple passives on abilities. Sometimes simple is fun too. Having said that I think Riot has done a great job so far with the reworks. There will always be beginners and casual players that like fun simple linear play styles.
yeah i think the same way about the complexity of reworks and new champions. Not that is wrong, Simply it's not the only option with game design ALL THE TIME.
I agree. As a Jayce main i have seen that champions that require highskill are proplay nightmares along with high elo balancing issues.I play Jayce I enjoy mechanical and skill expression.What i do not like is like morde and ryze and sylas all their skill expression being gutted.Embrace the champion.Keep simple chanpions simple and skill expressive champs skill expressive.
His q should be moved to R and it should be much bigger like in tft, his R should be moved to E and the passive should stay but without minion cap and less hp gained maybe 10 health per minion consumed or less. And his W should be moved to q. That's just my opinion and yeah he needs visual rework.
@@filip-f4602 cool ideias, but I think Cho'Gath eating and becoming more powerful is such a defining trait of him, and moving it away from his Ultimate could make it less impactful, less rewarding... But if they did something like the Diana rework that her ult basically changed nothing by becoming her E, then it could work
Cho'gath is my main and I think the champ needs a rework ASAP. I could see minor changes or major changes but the kit is outdated for sure with all the high mobility champs. Q and W are so powerful skills, like R for single kills. But the champ as nothing more to offer because of that. But if Riot is going to fk up the champ, I prefer something like more MS on a skill and less damage overall than any other change.
@@SmashMan108 In the actual state feels clunky. Look any other GOOD tank with high CC and you will see some form of mobility. And the damage he does is only burst, other tanks are better doing constant damage and the CC is more reliable. With some AP if you get in a bush you can delete a squishy champ, but you will be squishier as a tank. You have to pray to use Q and don't be avoided or use W very close to then use Q and that's all you can do to help your team. It's the worst tank with hard CC imo. The only tank champ that feels worse in a teamfight atm I think is Tahm Kench, but it's not a champ for teamfighting. I think Riot should rework him too. The idea of the champ has been always problematic.
Pantheon with his failed rework at some point past weeks had 0.8-0.9% pick rate in solo lanes (nish pick), but still below 50% wr (only mid having ~50.3% or smth).
Taliyah player here, and honestly I like her having a low pick rate. It's like I have her all to myself, she never gets banned or picked by other players in games I play.
@@friendthebarrel154 Another Taliyah player here, it's nice but very annoying since she's also very much ignored by Riot. She's so weak compared to earlier seasons it depresses me.
I cannot be more in disagree whit the "Champions should be difficult to be good" point. Its a mayor part of the video and constantly remind me that a lot of people think that complex design is equal to good design, something completely wrong btw.
So true,like trunda hes so iconic atm they cabnt get rid off of his spin and r. And most of these champs and he is talking about is visual update not rework
i think that complex isn't the right word here, the better word is interactive. how does udyr interact with the game? he doesn't, he either catches up to you and you're dead, or he doesn't and he's dead, same applies to rammus, same applies shyvanna, same applies to nocturne... they are all very stat sticky... this makes them annoying as a range champ and nearly impossible to deal with as a melee champ, because they simply win by having superior stats not by actually out playing you. and to create outplay potential you usually want a more complex kit, complex does not mean hard btw, complex can be in the little things, for example riven, seems very straight forward... but in her smaller details she can either be a god or completely worthless dephendant on the player same applies to akali, as much as i hate both these champions i cannot denie that they are relatively hard to play succesfully... basicly: not every champion needs to be a zed, but not every champion needs to be a sett either
For every aphelios there has to be a sett in other words you need simple champions and you definitely don't need to have their kit to be overwhelming and have multiple things going on for the sake of "to be unique" it's like street fighter sure you can go for the most top tier and complex character but there's Ryu and Ken who build up the very fundamentals of street fighter and without that if you decide to focus on those who know the game and spent years already how will the others manage to catch up you gotta have those Ryu's and Ken
I dont understand this obsession with 'skill intensive abilities'. Not every champion has to be aphelios level of complicated, some champs are simple by design. This needless complication is what ruins a lot of the modern champions IMO. A champion can be simple mechanically but have a high skill ceiling in how you apply yourself, which is where I think skill should mostly come into play. For example I don't know how you would rework Udyr without just making him a completely different champion, he is simple yet very unique. Most of the time when Riot reworks a champion they are just not the same champion anymore and that sucks, look at stuff like Galio or Morde. I like both of those reworks, but they're NOT at all the champions they used to be.
i think the perfect example of a champion with simple abilities but has an extremely high skillcap based on how you implement those abilities is thresh. His kit can be played in so manyi different ways like peel thresh, front line thresh, pick thresh, ect. good thresh players implement all of these strategies into one playstyle, this is why I think that each thresh player has a unique playstyle.
I really dont think hes all that complicated he just has a high skill ceiling. like, I mainly play ARAMs at this point and even i can play shaco at a decent mechanical level despite not owning him. With his kit being themed around being annoying as all hell its very problematic and hard to balance, so i think hes one of the few champions on this list that i thing really need a rework.
Shaco is cancer and he really isn't that hard.. i remember when i started playing i easily picked him up! But you need skill to play him to his full potential
@@insecurecow4419 shaco in aram and shaco in summoners rift might as well be two different champions. for you to be a good shaco player you need to know more than just your champion. you need to know your lanes, the enemy jungler, his pathing, have good ward placement and good invade routes.
I really rope Riot DO NOT, and let me get this straight, DO NOT give Shaco's boxes any major changes. It is the most fun to use non-ultimate ability in the game and you can use it for so many things its hard to even count. Shaco is the opposite of predictable by the way. The ammount of clears he can pull off level 1, the tricks he can pull with his stealth, boxes, clon and a combination of them is hard to list. He needs a rework, I agree, but substantial changes to his boxes are not the way to go. As for Shyvana, and Skarner, sometimes less is more. I don't think the solution for champion design is just give everyone a dash.
@@arnoudio even if they Ezreal/morgana level reworked him, i would be fine with that. He really isn't sticking with that Demon jester thematic. aside from his more recent skins.
Shaco is hard to balance because his kit numbers is only a small part of his power. His kit is designed around tricky and mind games, which means it cant be too strong but it's hard to make it not weak. I agree with the boxes being mainly the same. Maybe make them stronger if Shaco fights near them if anything. That's what makes him hard to rework. Aside from maybe E, all his skills are key to his playstyle.
I want udyr to be more of a martial artist caster with his autos being modified based on stance. Right now he just slaps his hands at people and stuff happens :/ I thought he was a monk when I first saw him.
I dont want udyr reworked, he does what he is supposed to do according to what he is Said to be able to do in the lore. Sure he is simple but alot of beginners and casual players like simple Champions, and every Champion doesnt Need to be complex.
Make his Q, W, E & R all 5 point abilities with no real "ultimate" so there's a lot of versatility on how you play & level up without having it "all" at level 20. Whenever he activates any of his 4 abilities it gives him a passive bonus/change as well as an auto attack reset in addition to altering his next basic attacks on either number of attacks or over a duration (but still keeping the passive). When you activate an ability all of them go on a brief cooldown so as to not abuse the auto attack reset but it still lets you swap back and forth between different abilities in a single teamfight or encounter to open up a TON of possible combos & builds. I know it sounds a lot like him now anyway but still. One ability grants him a shield & tenacity. Basic attacks slow the target one at a time. One ability gives him bonus movement speed towards champions & a small, stacking bonus to attack speed on basic attacks. One applies bonus damage to his attacks and backlash to enemy single target attacks (similar to thorn-mail but unique in that it scales on something other than armor) One deals AoE damage around himself whenever he hits enemies with basic attacks And the last deals bonus damage on hard CCd targets & fears nearby enemies on a champion kill This is all right out my rear on the spot so I understand if you don't like the ideas. Just saying it's not hard to do this.
@@lazarsimeunovic2096 Pretty much all the champions this guy listed are fine. Not every champion needs to be complicated or skill intensive because it would turn off any new players to the game. He's honestly just talking out his ass because of personal bias about what *he* wants out of the game, not what's actually necessary.
Personally i think all the yordles need a VGU beside gnar/heim/kled/tristana. Lulu should be up there with poppy/tristana visually. Veigar/teemo/rumble/corki/Ziggs should visually be on par with heim/kled/gnar. Rumble's Mech should have a upgrade like how heim's Turrets and R upgrades got better. There's other champions i feel could benefit from a ezreal/morgana tier rework than those that need a major VGU akin to fid/voli tier reworks.
I think Shaco’s main problem is, like his E, the Q is predictable, slow, visible and only with a extremely high level on Shaco you can make it creative. His strengths are, yes, the R, and the W: you can trick the enemy with your clone to follow him into a land full of boxes (i’ve made it, and its extremely satifying), bot the problem on Shaco is that, although is fun and easy to learn, is outdated, and once your Q is down, you have the survivability chances below 0. So, I would keep his invisibility, boxes and clone, but reworking the way you go invis and changing completely his E. Just to make him a diabolic jester from hell and not a creep that looks like a freaking clown that just escaped from a hospital.
I dont want a Trynd skill rework. I’d like to see a visual and voice line update, but I like the simplicity of his kit. Not everyone needs to be Irelia when it comes to movement and skill to play
Maybe not the irelia treatment but trynda need a rework, is stupid how a champ can literally destroy you at level 1 with pure RNG, maybe making him a bit like old aatrox, or playing with the “fury” thematic
@@TONADRIEL i think sona has her voice updated and i think they just need to update her animation her model is still great specially the wild rift one over all i think she just needs her animation updated
@@ig1948 shaco is fine as is, his kit is simple but already has a high skill ceiling. he's extremely difficult to really master. also, he's not meant to be a high damage, high burst champ. he's meant to be the annoying jungler who spams boxes. a good shaco knows how to use the boxes and fear correctly.
Well Corki needs a rework as well. Not that he is in a bad spot right now but he is a little outdated in my opinion he should at least get a VFX update. Also isn't Skarner a she?
Just curious, are these actually planned? Are there any posts from riot that confirms these? I’m curious about the Quinn one, I used to play her before her last rework!
I don't care what any jackass says Udyr is the last champion that needs a full-blown kit rework. Is Kit is simple and it works it's great for both people just cutting their teeth on the game or people who have played 8000 plus games. Just because a champions kit doesn't require a PhD with every ability being a Swiss Army knife of effects doesn't make it any less effective or fun or rewarding to play....
I’m torn on a Shaco rework. He needs a visual update for sure, but I feel like a full rework is likely to give him the Akali treatment-fun to play, constantly buffed/nerfed, and aggravating to play against. He also has so much potential for builds...which has to go :(
For Shyv - put the R jump on E and the E fireburst on ult. Give's her a gapcloser on her base kit so she's more useful pre6 and with ult on cd. Have some corki/rumble style fireblast on her ult to buff the dragon feel, and make it so you can still chain the E+R so you can get a knockback.
Soooooo, just give her the Diana treatment? I mean its not a bad idea, but then she’s gonna be a legit flex pick in almost every lane and she’s gonna be a balancing nightmare, just like diana was.
I always thought it weird that Udyr's fourth stance was a bear instead of the fourth celestial animal, the azure dragon. Also, maybe just changing stances is not all he should get, but make his abilities more active. Like each one has an active component when you use it, and a passive stance that lasts until you use your next ability.
I remember that I had a idea for a Cho'Gath ultimate skin. He would be kinda basic as normal form but with each champion and monster he ate he would gain some characteristics of what he ate, and the more he ate more his body would mutate to assimilate the traits of whom he had eaten. The thing is, the order would matter as well meaning that Cho'Gath would look different if he ate Gromp and Krugs from when he ate Krugs and Gromp I know, pretty ambitious, the amount of combinations possible are almost endless, I guess it would be narrowed down by the elemental dragons that would appear and the enemies champions, which would but an extra layer of uniqueness to the skin because he would never look the same one match to the other... Sadly I think this would never be possible, as Lux with her 10 forms already elevates the amount of memory required for the game to play out, imagine what this idea could do... But I'm pretty sure it could beat Elementalist Lux as the best ultimate skin.
Actually Cho'Gath will be a perfect character to be reworking into a heavy tank. And just ignore his outdated abilities, I suggest exploring deeper on his 'Growth' and champion sizes when Riot working on Cho's rework project. Both of them are interesting elements in LOL but still not being fully developed.
First i had concept for Ivern ultimate skin, which used the Void one concept. It was supposed to get evolution points and get the bonus body parts, which would apply do daisy too. But it actually sounds like great idea for cho. Imagine that eating is niw a ability that can be used only on minions. When you eata minion you get evolution points (stack) after you get some stacks you can pick evolution from a "tier" (lets say there are 5 "tiers", each tier have better evolutions).
I want to keep him a juggernaut mage, and just focus on making his abilities delayed and predictable, but impactful to trade it off. HIs Q fits that, and i think making the rest of his moves follow that would be great.
@@hellfrozenphoenix13 That would be extremely bad considering almost every champ in the game has a dash and his abilities already are very predictable and very easy to dodge.
@@gazelle_diamond9768 I mean, he literally is that champ already. His q and w have big delays, but once they hit, its impactful. Doubling down on that and granting him that immune to cc, converting it to slow would let Cho be the raid boss champ, similar to how Nasus is
For rammus imagine having a skillshot where he shots himself forward and bouncing from walls gaining movementspeed for every wall he hits. If he hits Champions they get taunted and he gets armor for every target hit.
not gonna lie the idea of rammus powerballing/charge spin for a short duation to suddenly dash and able to bounce off wall/towers would be sick.....like a faster sion ult that can change direction off terrain/tower/wall. and more points in the ability would mean he can power ball longer.
Give asol passive stars an hp bar and when it blows it explode to cause more damage, give asol ult some kind of cc like when he hit his stars with ult it's create a black hole that pulls and slows enemies
I mean, I do agree, however, champions like Tryndamere and Dr. Mundo are just stupid. They literally just run at you, and I don't think that is good champion design.
No, a champion doesn't need to have complexity to be a good design but it shouldn't be like that of mundo that will either beat you or you will beat them just because of the stats, regardless of how good of a player you or that mundo is.
I say for Udyr they should give his forms much more impact to their changes and make them contrast each other much more. For example his ult Phoenix could be a skill shot, turtle form can root himself for a moment but makes him reduce incoming damage and gain a shield, his tiger form causes him to do a leap *similar to Kha zix* with faster attack speed and bear could increase tenacity maybe act as a QSS and remove hard cc in activation. Could be very interesting
I would love to see udyr skills change in a way that last used stance change next stance he uses a bit, like Q into E is a bit diffrent than W into E ect
They should combine nocturne E and W just make it a spell shield when hit makes enemies around him in a circle get feared if he gets hit by a spell in the duration. I like his void trails maybe if they expand on it maybe let him go invisible on void trails it could be cool
About Cho, and pretty much everyother Void creature, I think its just about a visual update, make it match better with the lore and between them (Kog doen't even look like a voidborn at this point) But the thing that always hits me when anyone talks about reworks, ppl rarely talk about Zyra, Amumu or Singed... to me those 3 need it ALOT more than someone like Cho or Rammus.
@@gazelle_diamond9768 vel doesn’t really work either, I’m imagining a champ that has let’s say a gun, and if it hits a wall it bounces, and can continue to like maybe 2 more times
@@knightgale2120 I know, I was just making a joke because Vel does have an ability that... somewhat is a ricochet (not really, but you get what I mean).
My top 3: 1. Udyr. He's so outdated and Liner with his kit, basically needs a full Voli or Fiddle style rework. Sad that Riot only added their logo to his skin. A+ Effort 2. Nocturne He's the same as Udyr, just more useful when he DOES go in. He only feels like a scary shadow monster when he has an ult, so he'll need a Makeover like Fiddle. This one will surprise people 3. Rumble. He's the only champ to use the heat mechanic, and while he has been strong, it's the balance of pro vs casual play that makes me feel like he should be reworked. You're punished in casual play, even if you understand his heat mechanic, because on top of waiting for Cooldowns, you wait for the heat meter to go down. But visually too, he's really clunky and unappealing to look at besides his Super Galaxy Skin. [I feel like all Yordles should receive this, I mean look at Triatana and Poppy, then Teemo, Rumble or Lulu] Edit: Made some grammar changes (Phone OP) and added little info here and there.
I agree on the first two, but i think Rumble could use just a Voli style rework, not a full blown one. I play him a lot, so i admit i may have bias, but I want his heat to stay and feel that it defines him as a unique champion. But he does sometimes become a stat stick and I think he has more potential than that.
@@hellfrozenphoenix13 I agree with the level of rework, but the Heat Mechanic needs some fine tuning. Champions with Energy or Rage lose their bonuses slower than Rumble uses his heat. And I get that "heat takes a while to cool", but it feels so linear. "Stay above 50 to get bonus effects, and under 100 before a teamfight"
Cho’gath just needs a full ground up rework but keep his abilities to eat things, there was a cool rework concept where Cho gets the devour in his normal kit where if he kills something with it he gets stacks but takes more stacks to grow as much and evolves every now and then with a knock back tail wips ult that stuns when thrown into a wall and get multiple tail wips based on amount of times he evolves
As a Nocturne Main, these aee my ideas of skills to change: Passive - His passive doesn't realy match his assassin play style but is great in duels. Riot should change his passive depending on his key role Q - His Q must be changed because this makes nocturne dependent on his Q to perform his dueling output and leaves quite weak when Q wears off. W - His spellshield is fine and unique. E - His Fear is very great in duels but not in assassinating like how riot describe him. R - Nothing to change in his R, this what makes Nocturne. Riot must change his skill set depending on his role and i prefer him as fighter.
In my opinion, MF and Zilean needs a visual rework, their kit works well for their purpose (Which is new player champs ez to play), Maybe change MF passive for her W and make her Love tap an Active on her W (Like she deals X magic dmg per auto meanwhile the active is on) and her passive would be the movement speed. And Zilean could have his same kit but with a new appearance and change his passive for like a mini version of his ult (When he gets enough exp or sum he'll heal the ally he clicks)
I'm really hoping they do something with Janna in the next couple years. Her lore turned her into so much more interesting of a concept and now her visuals are not only outdated, but don't match what she's become. Her kit could also do with a couple tweaks mainly to her passive and W.
Udyr is a versitile champion, he isnt bad but he is old and the model is old as well. I mean maybe he needs some tweaks but he is one of a kind with his kit for sure.
I agree on Cho'Gath. He needs a visual overhaul, because he were one of the first *void* characters to enter league, heck i even think he's been in the game since it released (as i remember his oldest design were in the first cinematic trailer). Even volibear looks scarier than him and cho is supposed to be this big scary mf that chases you down, like you were being hunted by Jason Vorhees. Only half of his kit have changed, like his E gives you 3 attacks now instead of being a passive that consumes mana, and his R can go beyond 6 stacks if you kill champs with it.
I really hope they keep things very simple yet just complex enough to be compelling to play. This is why I main Yorick, a champion who isn't super complex but at the same time isn't very simple, a very nice mix of both.
Imagine if every skill of Udyr summons animal spirit literally like for example with his Tiger stance he gets a small attack speed boost with a tiger spirit summon and attacking the champion on a set duration and range like Kindred's Wolf spirit, for bear you get a bear spirit that sprint to enemy champ and stun or slow then on upon hit while you get movement speed boost, for turtle you get a shield while the turtle spirit blocks enemy attacks to reduce damage like that of braums shield skill, for ultimate you summon the phoenix skill by diving to the enemy then bursting to flames giving aoe fire damage for a few seconds on affected zone and gaining flame damage on your attacks for a few seconds. For the passive the monkey stance summons monkey spirit every 3 skills it will enchance your next skill used.
As someone else said, I'd also love to see full visual Cho rework. Or actually give him some form of evolving, based on either stacks of feast or ultimate level. Imagine if in his final form he looked somewhat like in this video (a little less looking like Rek'Sai though). He would actually be the huge, terrifying monster I'd want to see. His abilities however are fine. Simple kit, but not easy to execute. His Q is one of the hardest abilities to hit. His weaknesses and strengths are pretty clear, definitely not a rework material.
Honestly, when you said Cho, it honestly made me think that honestly just about all of the void needs reworks to match with Malz and Kai'Sa. The asthetic you get from those 2 doesn't gel with the likes of Cho or Kog'maw for instance. As they've really defined some of the other parts of runeterra, it feels as if they are either doing some major planning for the void, or they forgot it.
I personally feel like kog’maw needs more range increases because a lot of abilities make him sound like living artillery. In league today his range compared to many others is rather off putting. Especially compared to xerath and swain who can kill you halfway across the map
Shy could get new passive abilities due to the dragons she kills. Air is pull enemies towards her when she w's in dragon form, water could be nami's q mixed with her dragon e in ult form. So you get knocked up and dealt damage. Fire could be overall passive damage in dragon form. Earth could root targets with q bite. Elder gives her wings in human form so now her abilities are as if she is in dragon form and her ult is like pantheons where she can slam down hard on people.
I wonder if the Udyr Rework is gonna be like the Elementalist Lux concept. Where he can use 4 skills to create new animals. Tiger + Phoenix = Griffin Or maybe he's able to use all of his forms and form like A chimera as a passive Ult. That would be cool
Idea for rammus: Q: it's a rolling ball and when he hits a target he taounts that target so you have something else for E ability like when you rolling in ball you can jump or something. R could be like huge slow and grounding all enemies in radius. For W: just better visual. His spikes grows.
as a jungle main, noc is my 2nd main. Personally, i feel like he should be rw into a better assassin with one of his abilities being able to escape after casting his ulti or rw into a bruiser by increasing his overall armor and mr, also because of his passive heal and his W spell shield, i can see building bruiser items on him works quite well like goredrinker, black cleaver, death dance etc
I miss Quinn transforming into Valor when Ulting. Quinn being that Versatile, fast ganker is becoming too sickening since she can pick almost any lane and easily travel and gank other lanes by just using he ult.
Udyr should just get a passive where he summons animal companions that deal bonus damage. Or he has pet traps that he can set in bushes like fid's new passive wards. So his wards just hit the target with whatever udyr was when he placed it. So say you were bear when you place a spirit orb. The orb breaks and bear comes out stunning you. Turtle comes out hits you creates a shield that udry can pick up. Tiger puts bleed on enemy plus grievous so it is hard to heal. Then obviously as the more points he puts in it gets stronger. Phoenix just gives you a magic debuff, lasts longer but doubles the next magic attack you take.
Skarner's ult should be a skill shot, and he can whip it back. Like urgot, but they are still locked in place so you can drag him onto his control areas
@@tylerprice9514 Shaco’s E has a passive that has his basic attacks slow enemies by 20-30% for 2 seconds, and the active slows enemies for 3 seconds. Nothing was taken away.
I love skarner and I think the only thing he needs is a VGU update and an update to his Q and W, I Do agree when about the Dash to his W but I think it needs to function like Flora's Q and slows them like 1.5 seconds and the Q needs to something like injecting poison with his stinger And dealing bonus damage to to monsters and heals him depending on his missing health
Rammus should just have a new passive that allows him to strip his shell and grow a new one. So the set up could be the shell blocks your path so you have to break it before you can move on. He can jump over walls if a shell was place in front of the wall and he Q's at it. His ult can be three shells so the more damage he takes the shells fall off then he can just spam q and bounce off between them. Sort of like pinball. Basically like a bigger jarvan ult but he bounces off the walls aka turtle shells.
One mistake you committed in this video, is that they deserve that high skilled outplay potential kit, and although you can perform such moves as any champion, some champions just need to be basic A wise man once said and I quote "for every Aphelios there's gotta be a Sett", you have to make simple and easily understandable kits of abilities, for both new and veteran players to enjoy! One good example is Pantheon, they were able to make his rework simple maintaining all the traits that made Pantheon who he is and make some skill expressions available for people that put the time to fully learn him!
Imagine if trynda’s ult turns into his passive- but it works like. When trynda dies, he has 5 seconds till he actually dies- if he gets a kill then he resurrects at the end of five seconds.
Singed, Mundo, Trynda, Rammus... And my favorite Viktor. Maybe is good option, if Viktor cant buy normal items, but can develop his own body parts, and skills. Maybe :/
Quin needs to just do a switch like survival hunters in current retail wow. Get rid of crossbow, give her a pole arm and valor is with her all the time. Flanking strike with valor, gain a harpoon ability that flings her to the target and roots them. Just have valor on auto move, with the ability to have quin players move him on his own if they wanted. But valor can be knocked out and come back later when he heals. Her cult just makes valor intercept one damage ability for her and increasing her movement speed so she can run. And she gains a trap like Sing's w. Slows when hit. So she can trap them longer with harpoon.
For my Udyr rework idea, I think he should have to choose which forms he does... The way this could be implemented is by having certain effects happen when going from one form to another... Say like if he were do go from Turtle to Phoenix with his shield still on him it will explode the shield and deal a decent amount of damage or something of the sorts...
I love Cho but I think the champ need some changes and surely a VU. I'll expect good changes, but I will be mad at Riot if the champ feels bad. I have ideas for Cho but I don't where to share that to let some rioters know the info. I also think Shaco changes could be better if he gets treated as Wukong for the upcoming rework, changing him more towards a bruiser than an assassin. That way he would feel more balanced that an invis assassin that gets a clone and destroys you (In the past he felt like a Leblanc 2.0).
For tryn make his w stun in place, q embowers autos and no longer heals. His e stays the same. His ult ramps up his damage and lasts longer per auto he can land. So making it even more necessary to lock him down and not to try to muscle through him.
Shaco should double down on jack n box theme. Is passive now allows him to teleport from box to box. His q stealth allows him to drop boxes without breaking. His w has two charges. E now throws a dagger which roots the target and only he can be pulled to it. Ult now mimics what he does. Simple but strong. or Like say e is now another box but this time it just shoots daggers out in aoe.
I can already tell you, DONT WORRY, rammus is getting a small rework so while in q his ult sends him forward like voli r but applies his ult there, but his q isn't being touched as it's an iconic part of his kit.
The champion I want to have an overhaul more than anyone is Lulu. A visual upgrade would be great, and giving Pix more of a presence would be great too.
For nocturn, riot should make his ult more like specter from dota, meaning you spawn illusion near your ennemy that can do fake spell And for ma boy cho’ have the ult a basic spell (tuned down) but with lot more stack possible, growing in size and tenacity like make it half the size of a lane wide, eg: 100 stack max, creep give 5/ jungle give 10, baron&dragon 30, champ 20 Each stack= bonus hp% (because you are bigger) + tenacity % (capped at extra 50%, so you can buy other item too) Upon death lose like 30%? Like at lvl 5 it’s around 10 sec, and ofc you deal bonus dmg vs npc If riot dont like the point & click, make it a small lunge skillshot that cannot make you pass wall and cliff, ,hehehe you can even make the skillshot bigger if you have max stat, so you can nomnom multiple target, (well you have a big mouth) And even crayzier is small cliff in river can be passable if you are max stack since you are so big they are just a small step for bigcho’ His spike, make it a passive that is stronger the bigger you are, (or just scrap it) His ult should be either the knock up or his silence Personally i think it should be the silence, since you are so big that your scream should burst your ear, (scream like GIMMI FOOOD, AaAaAAaah) For fantasy sake, when he scream make him spit saliva everywhere, corroding armor for eating all that metal that is on your meal Gameplay wise he should be more like a ap burst garen, you are so fat, big and slow, that you have difficulty to nom those pesky little champ that are running away from you Yeah i love my big cho’
Skarner should get a dash and a new passive where he gets stacks of hardening like cho gath's ult passive. Only way to get stacks is to kill someone in ult.
I think the Quinn analysis is kinda weak. She has a defined playstyle. She goes top, bullies melee characters, then tries to roam, tries to snipe out a carry in the team fight, then fall of late games. When you say she’s all over the place...how? She does the same kind of stuff every time. I would agree she’s not great and could use a rework but your reasoning seems vague.
His points held water in the past, but this entire season and most of the last one, she has found her place. I think her rework just needs to cater to that top role fantasy.
I miss Certainly T, sure his Champions were overloaded but very unique. I mean Yasuo, Zoe and Akali may have OP kits but it sure is fun to use em, nowadays new Champions are basically a better version of another Champion example: *Seraphine*
Make noc's q triple his speed, make noc's w reflect stuns or crowd control for 3 seconds. E now slashes around him with aoe fear, ult summons two copies of himself and ulta random enemies he didn't pick to ult. So it hits them but does no damage to give him a few seconds to attack his main target. Or do a complete 180 and make him anti yumi. He goes into you and deals damage over time while he is in you, he can fear you while in you he summons clones of himself to attack you while he is in you. But they charge at you and if you don't kill them they deal massive damage to you once they reach you. How to get him out of you is cleanse item or he can be in you for 5 seconds at a time. So he can just keep swapping targets in a team fight.
There're champions in greater need of reworka than most of these TBH. My picks would be: Annie / Amumu / Jax / Kassadin / Nasus / Olaf / Ryze / Sivir / Sona / Trundle & Veigar.
If/when Rammus gets reworked, they can’t get rid of the ball. That’s literally him, can’t imagine him without it.
Never change the Balls
I think a rammus rework would be really sick with s11 when it goes live
I mean the did take the ghost of mordekaiser
And voice lines
I can’t really imagine Rammus without any of his abilities except his r
One small point I disagree with is that just because MOST of the game is getting more complex doesn’t mean that every champion needs more abilities and combos and multiple passives on abilities. Sometimes simple is fun too. Having said that I think Riot has done a great job so far with the reworks. There will always be beginners and casual players that like fun simple linear play styles.
yeah i think the same way about the complexity of reworks and new champions. Not that is wrong, Simply it's not the only option with game design ALL THE TIME.
I agree. As a Jayce main i have seen that champions that require highskill are proplay nightmares along with high elo balancing issues.I play Jayce I enjoy mechanical and skill expression.What i do not like is like morde and ryze and sylas all their skill expression being gutted.Embrace the champion.Keep simple chanpions simple and skill expressive champs skill expressive.
I disagree, I hate champs like Sett due how simple they are
Clearly you don't have 200 plus years of experience
I agree
Rioter: "Our champ rework has been really great"
Me: *Looking back to the Aatrox rework*
Also Me: "Sound about right..."
i hate the new aatrox
i miss the old one.
@@adamryan6857 I don't want brain for aatrox. I want right clicks and occasionally press Q and E
@@johnbuster4268 hahahaha. Basically everyone in leagues thoughts. It ruined my favourite champ in league.
Other than the Aatrox rework, I think they did pretty well overall
The aatrox rework has been one of the best lmao. Literally every Aatrox main I know prefers the new one.
Well cho needs visual rework ,
Edit: he should have changed something in his skill kit.
His q should be moved to R and it should be much bigger like in tft, his R should be moved to E and the passive should stay but without minion cap and less hp gained maybe 10 health per minion consumed or less. And his W should be moved to q. That's just my opinion and yeah he needs visual rework.
@@filip-f4602 cool ideias, but I think Cho'Gath eating and becoming more powerful is such a defining trait of him, and moving it away from his Ultimate could make it less impactful, less rewarding... But if they did something like the Diana rework that her ult basically changed nothing by becoming her E, then it could work
Cho'gath is my main and I think the champ needs a rework ASAP. I could see minor changes or major changes but the kit is outdated for sure with all the high mobility champs. Q and W are so powerful skills, like R for single kills. But the champ as nothing more to offer because of that.
But if Riot is going to fk up the champ, I prefer something like more MS on a skill and less damage overall than any other change.
Cho is fine but his R stats should be changed. Its very strong execute on a tank
@@SmashMan108 In the actual state feels clunky. Look any other GOOD tank with high CC and you will see some form of mobility. And the damage he does is only burst, other tanks are better doing constant damage and the CC is more reliable. With some AP if you get in a bush you can delete a squishy champ, but you will be squishier as a tank. You have to pray to use Q and don't be avoided or use W very close to then use Q and that's all you can do to help your team.
It's the worst tank with hard CC imo. The only tank champ that feels worse in a teamfight atm I think is Tahm Kench, but it's not a champ for teamfighting. I think Riot should rework him too. The idea of the champ has been always problematic.
Skarner having a 1.5% pick rate.
Taliyah scoffing: Imagine having a higher pick rate than 1%..... Your pick rate is WEAK compared to mine!
Oh yeah? And who do you see more in high elo?
Pantheon with his failed rework at some point past weeks had 0.8-0.9% pick rate in solo lanes (nish pick), but still below 50% wr (only mid having ~50.3% or smth).
@@AmbroReality and I’m pretty sure Taliyah just has a .04% pick rate in all lanes combined
Taliyah player here, and honestly I like her having a low pick rate. It's like I have her all to myself, she never gets banned or picked by other players in games I play.
@@friendthebarrel154 Another Taliyah player here, it's nice but very annoying since she's also very much ignored by Riot. She's so weak compared to earlier seasons it depresses me.
I cannot be more in disagree whit the "Champions should be difficult to be good" point. Its a mayor part of the video and constantly remind me that a lot of people think that complex design is equal to good design, something completely wrong btw.
So true,like trunda hes so iconic atm they cabnt get rid off of his spin and r. And most of these champs and he is talking about is visual update not rework
agreed
but gives Udyr a dash please
@@johnbuster4268 Why not a ranged aa when an ability is used?
@@moodyfingers7301 now we talkin
i think that complex isn't the right word here, the better word is interactive.
how does udyr interact with the game? he doesn't, he either catches up to you and you're dead, or he doesn't and he's dead, same applies to rammus, same applies shyvanna, same applies to nocturne... they are all very stat sticky...
this makes them annoying as a range champ and nearly impossible to deal with as a melee champ, because they simply win by having superior stats not by actually out playing you.
and to create outplay potential you usually want a more complex kit, complex does not mean hard btw, complex can be in the little things, for example riven, seems very straight forward... but in her smaller details she can either be a god or completely worthless dephendant on the player same applies to akali, as much as i hate both these champions i cannot denie that they are relatively hard to play succesfully...
basicly: not every champion needs to be a zed, but not every champion needs to be a sett either
For every aphelios there has to be a sett in other words you need simple champions and you definitely don't need to have their kit to be overwhelming and have multiple things going on for the sake of "to be unique" it's like street fighter sure you can go for the most top tier and complex character but there's Ryu and Ken who build up the very fundamentals of street fighter and without that if you decide to focus on those who know the game and spent years already how will the others manage to catch up you gotta have those Ryu's and Ken
I sense another Bricky fan here.
@@joshdavis4661 you caught me
@@chaos.d_1736 got 'em.
@Ragunito yeah that works too
Good old brick quotes
The next champ that rito releases is going to require a PHd in aeronautical engineering to play
The next champion will stand still at the base until you code his abilities and stats during the game
Someone watches skootch
@Murillo Ferreira NASA designed champion comming soon😎
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I dont understand this obsession with 'skill intensive abilities'. Not every champion has to be aphelios level of complicated, some champs are simple by design. This needless complication is what ruins a lot of the modern champions IMO. A champion can be simple mechanically but have a high skill ceiling in how you apply yourself, which is where I think skill should mostly come into play. For example I don't know how you would rework Udyr without just making him a completely different champion, he is simple yet very unique. Most of the time when Riot reworks a champion they are just not the same champion anymore and that sucks, look at stuff like Galio or Morde. I like both of those reworks, but they're NOT at all the champions they used to be.
i think the perfect example of a champion with simple abilities but has an extremely high skillcap based on how you implement those abilities is thresh. His kit can be played in so manyi different ways like peel thresh, front line thresh, pick thresh, ect. good thresh players implement all of these strategies into one playstyle, this is why I think that each thresh player has a unique playstyle.
@@jammies6134 I think Thresh has the best character design in the game. I also like the new volibear too.
Shaco isn't simple, he's just niche. He is actuallyone of the most complex champs in league.
I really dont think hes all that complicated he just has a high skill ceiling. like, I mainly play ARAMs at this point and even i can play shaco at a decent mechanical level despite not owning him. With his kit being themed around being annoying as all hell its very problematic and hard to balance, so i think hes one of the few champions on this list that i thing really need a rework.
Shaco is cancer and he really isn't that hard.. i remember when i started playing i easily picked him up! But you need skill to play him to his full potential
HAHA SHACO BOX GO BRRRRRR
100 > 0 HP
@@insecurecow4419 shaco in aram and shaco in summoners rift might as well be two different champions. for you to be a good shaco player you need to know more than just your champion. you need to know your lanes, the enemy jungler, his pathing, have good ward placement and good invade routes.
But he dont exist in the lore :/
WHAT I MEAN IS ZILEAN HAVING A VISUAL REWORK
QUITE SIMILAR ON WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO MORGANA
With a few gameplay tweaks. Change his passive in some various degree/way. Keep his abilities 90% the way they are & update his visuals 100%
And kog maw
He becomes younger
Your wish has been granted.
I really rope Riot DO NOT, and let me get this straight, DO NOT give Shaco's boxes any major changes. It is the most fun to use non-ultimate ability in the game and you can use it for so many things its hard to even count. Shaco is the opposite of predictable by the way. The ammount of clears he can pull off level 1, the tricks he can pull with his stealth, boxes, clon and a combination of them is hard to list. He needs a rework, I agree, but substantial changes to his boxes are not the way to go.
As for Shyvana, and Skarner, sometimes less is more. I don't think the solution for champion design is just give everyone a dash.
Shaco is literally a perfectly designed champion. Needs no changes
@@arnoudio even if they Ezreal/morgana level reworked him, i would be fine with that. He really isn't sticking with that Demon jester thematic. aside from his more recent skins.
Shaco players are sociopaths
Ikr! Shaco isn't casul champ. He's just hard to balance due to niche gameplay.
Shaco is hard to balance because his kit numbers is only a small part of his power. His kit is designed around tricky and mind games, which means it cant be too strong but it's hard to make it not weak.
I agree with the boxes being mainly the same. Maybe make them stronger if Shaco fights near them if anything.
That's what makes him hard to rework. Aside from maybe E, all his skills are key to his playstyle.
man when was the last time you saw a kalista?
last time i saw kalista, dominion existed.
I miss Dominion so much
@@Bloodmoon_Daisho Same
I want udyr to be more of a martial artist caster with his autos being modified based on stance. Right now he just slaps his hands at people and stuff happens :/ I thought he was a monk when I first saw him.
I dont want udyr reworked, he does what he is supposed to do according to what he is Said to be able to do in the lore. Sure he is simple but alot of beginners and casual players like simple Champions, and every Champion doesnt Need to be complex.
Make his Q, W, E & R all 5 point abilities with no real "ultimate" so there's a lot of versatility on how you play & level up without having it "all" at level 20. Whenever he activates any of his 4 abilities it gives him a passive bonus/change as well as an auto attack reset in addition to altering his next basic attacks on either number of attacks or over a duration (but still keeping the passive). When you activate an ability all of them go on a brief cooldown so as to not abuse the auto attack reset but it still lets you swap back and forth between different abilities in a single teamfight or encounter to open up a TON of possible combos & builds. I know it sounds a lot like him now anyway but still.
One ability grants him a shield & tenacity. Basic attacks slow the target one at a time.
One ability gives him bonus movement speed towards champions & a small, stacking bonus to attack speed on basic attacks.
One applies bonus damage to his attacks and backlash to enemy single target attacks (similar to thorn-mail but unique in that it scales on something other than armor)
One deals AoE damage around himself whenever he hits enemies with basic attacks
And the last deals bonus damage on hard CCd targets & fears nearby enemies on a champion kill
This is all right out my rear on the spot so I understand if you don't like the ideas. Just saying it's not hard to do this.
"when you see a shaco, you know what he's gonna do" proceeds to do one of the worst shaco combos I've ever seen
shaco is fine like this maybe just a visual look,i play him in the jungle he is op cant lose,izi kill easy escape easy push,easy win 🤡
@@lazarsimeunovic2096 and for the love of the Aspects give him a lore
@@lazarsimeunovic2096 ur certainely iron
@@Gravlti el amor de los aspectos xd
@@lazarsimeunovic2096 Pretty much all the champions this guy listed are fine. Not every champion needs to be complicated or skill intensive because it would turn off any new players to the game. He's honestly just talking out his ass because of personal bias about what *he* wants out of the game, not what's actually necessary.
Personally i think all the yordles need a VGU beside gnar/heim/kled/tristana. Lulu should be up there with poppy/tristana visually.
Veigar/teemo/rumble/corki/Ziggs should visually be on par with heim/kled/gnar. Rumble's Mech should have a upgrade like how heim's Turrets and R upgrades got better. There's other champions i feel could benefit from a ezreal/morgana tier rework than those that need a major VGU akin to fid/voli tier reworks.
I think Shaco’s main problem is, like his E, the Q is predictable, slow, visible and only with a extremely high level on Shaco you can make it creative. His strengths are, yes, the R, and the W: you can trick the enemy with your clone to follow him into a land full of boxes (i’ve made it, and its extremely satifying), bot the problem on Shaco is that, although is fun and easy to learn, is outdated, and once your Q is down, you have the survivability chances below 0. So, I would keep his invisibility, boxes and clone, but reworking the way you go invis and changing completely his E. Just to make him a diabolic jester from hell and not a creep that looks like a freaking clown that just escaped from a hospital.
I dont want a Trynd skill rework. I’d like to see a visual and voice line update, but I like the simplicity of his kit. Not everyone needs to be Irelia when it comes to movement and skill to play
Considering Wild Rift
It's possible
Maybe not the irelia treatment but trynda need a rework, is stupid how a champ can literally destroy you at level 1 with pure RNG, maybe making him a bit like old aatrox, or playing with the “fury” thematic
what about sona? considering the release of seraphine, which in more like an update-upgrde of sona's kit
RIP pre-rework AP Sona
@@TONADRIEL yeah from sona saying this: ....................
To this: .....................👁👄👁
@@giancarreon3812 Then to this : 🤡🤡🤡
@@TONADRIEL i think sona has her voice updated and i think they just need to update her animation her model is still great specially the wild rift one over all i think she just needs her animation updated
she could DEFINITELY use a visual update, that's for sure.
Shaco doesn't even need a rework, he's good as he is.
He definitely needs it, his kit is too simple. The only way to deal good damage with him is auto attacking unless you're going AP.
Yeah I hate that champ
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@@ig1948 shaco is fine as is, his kit is simple but already has a high skill ceiling. he's extremely difficult to really master. also, he's not meant to be a high damage, high burst champ. he's meant to be the annoying jungler who spams boxes. a good shaco knows how to use the boxes and fear correctly.
That chogoth art would be sick af
Seasons have come and gone but my love for AP Shaco is eternal, reworking him could be what makes me want to quit.
Well Corki needs a rework as well. Not that he is in a bad spot right now but he is a little outdated in my opinion he should at least get a VFX update. Also isn't Skarner a she?
agreed. skarner’s a male from what ik tho
Probably thinking of RekSai with the female thing. Think of Skarner’s voice.
@@randommanwhodoesthings7662 Oh okay then, I wasn't that sure.
Corki doesn't need a full VGU tho, only thing he lacks atm is a good lore honestly.
Skarner is male. Rek'Sai is female.
Just curious, are these actually planned? Are there any posts from riot that confirms these? I’m curious about the Quinn one, I used to play her before her last rework!
every champion here has been confirmed to be considered for reworks. It's unclear if most of them are beyond that phase, however.
Ye. I really want to know when they are planning 69th Ryze's rework.
I don't care what any jackass says Udyr is the last champion that needs a full-blown kit rework. Is Kit is simple and it works it's great for both people just cutting their teeth on the game or people who have played 8000 plus games. Just because a champions kit doesn't require a PhD with every ability being a Swiss Army knife of effects doesn't make it any less effective or fun or rewarding to play....
Finally Shaco ever gets mentioned in a positive video for once.
Shaco: 1
Leaguetubers: 78,207
I’m torn on a Shaco rework. He needs a visual update for sure, but I feel like a full rework is likely to give him the Akali treatment-fun to play, constantly buffed/nerfed, and aggravating to play against. He also has so much potential for builds...which has to go :(
Players: We want Rammus rework!
Riot: Ok
For Shyv - put the R jump on E and the E fireburst on ult. Give's her a gapcloser on her base kit so she's more useful pre6 and with ult on cd. Have some corki/rumble style fireblast on her ult to buff the dragon feel, and make it so you can still chain the E+R so you can get a knockback.
Soooooo, just give her the Diana treatment? I mean its not a bad idea, but then she’s gonna be a legit flex pick in almost every lane and she’s gonna be a balancing nightmare, just like diana was.
I always thought it weird that Udyr's fourth stance was a bear instead of the fourth celestial animal, the azure dragon. Also, maybe just changing stances is not all he should get, but make his abilities more active. Like each one has an active component when you use it, and a passive stance that lasts until you use your next ability.
Finally someone that thinks like me why don’t they have the azure Dragon
I remember that I had a idea for a Cho'Gath ultimate skin.
He would be kinda basic as normal form but with each champion and monster he ate he would gain some characteristics of what he ate, and the more he ate more his body would mutate to assimilate the traits of whom he had eaten.
The thing is, the order would matter as well meaning that Cho'Gath would look different if he ate Gromp and Krugs from when he ate Krugs and Gromp
I know, pretty ambitious, the amount of combinations possible are almost endless, I guess it would be narrowed down by the elemental dragons that would appear and the enemies champions, which would but an extra layer of uniqueness to the skin because he would never look the same one match to the other...
Sadly I think this would never be possible, as Lux with her 10 forms already elevates the amount of memory required for the game to play out, imagine what this idea could do...
But I'm pretty sure it could beat Elementalist Lux as the best ultimate skin.
Actually Cho'Gath will be a perfect character to be reworking into a heavy tank. And just ignore his outdated abilities, I suggest exploring deeper on his 'Growth' and champion sizes when Riot working on Cho's rework project. Both of them are interesting elements in LOL but still not being fully developed.
First i had concept for Ivern ultimate skin, which used the Void one concept. It was supposed to get evolution points and get the bonus body parts, which would apply do daisy too. But it actually sounds like great idea for cho. Imagine that eating is niw a ability that can be used only on minions. When you eata minion you get evolution points (stack) after you get some stacks you can pick evolution from a "tier" (lets say there are 5 "tiers", each tier have better evolutions).
I'd prefer the idea of an artillery mage-tank with evolves on the skills like Kha'Zix.
I want to keep him a juggernaut mage, and just focus on making his abilities delayed and predictable, but impactful to trade it off. HIs Q fits that, and i think making the rest of his moves follow that would be great.
@@hellfrozenphoenix13 That would be extremely bad considering almost every champ in the game has a dash and his abilities already are very predictable and very easy to dodge.
@@gazelle_diamond9768 I mean, he literally is that champ already. His q and w have big delays, but once they hit, its impactful. Doubling down on that and granting him that immune to cc, converting it to slow would let Cho be the raid boss champ, similar to how Nasus is
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@@stonehead4775 que troll 😆
For rammus imagine having a skillshot where he shots himself forward and bouncing from walls gaining movementspeed for every wall he hits. If he hits Champions they get taunted and he gets armor for every target hit.
That's another game and it's called Pinball
@@danielortega6035 guess where the idea comes from
Why would he bounce, he would stick to walls because of his spikes
@@chairchair1231 hmm kinda true. Was just an idea though. There should be a way to explain why
not gonna lie the idea of rammus powerballing/charge spin for a short duation to suddenly dash and able to bounce off wall/towers would be sick.....like a faster sion ult that can change direction off terrain/tower/wall. and more points in the ability would mean he can power ball longer.
Give asol passive stars an hp bar and when it blows it explode to cause more damage, give asol ult some kind of cc like when he hit his stars with ult it's create a black hole that pulls and slows enemies
Revert his idiotic W change and give his R waaaay more dmg.
Really disagree that champions need to be complex to be well designed.
I mean, I do agree, however, champions like Tryndamere and Dr. Mundo are just stupid. They literally just run at you, and I don't think that is good champion design.
True, look at Rene
@@h4vnt3d79 You want to know what also isn't good champion design? Samira. Or Sylas.
I think the point is to not have them be stat sticks like many of them are, not to give us more Samiras.
No, a champion doesn't need to have complexity to be a good design but it shouldn't be like that of mundo that will either beat you or you will beat them just because of the stats, regardless of how good of a player you or that mundo is.
I say for Udyr they should give his forms much more impact to their changes and make them contrast each other much more. For example his ult Phoenix could be a skill shot, turtle form can root himself for a moment but makes him reduce incoming damage and gain a shield, his tiger form causes him to do a leap *similar to Kha zix* with faster attack speed and bear could increase tenacity maybe act as a QSS and remove hard cc in activation. Could be very interesting
I would love to see udyr skills change in a way that last used stance change next stance he uses a bit, like Q into E is a bit diffrent than W into E ect
They should combine nocturne E and W just make it a spell shield when hit makes enemies around him in a circle get feared if he gets hit by a spell in the duration.
I like his void trails maybe if they expand on it maybe let him go invisible on void trails it could be cool
Literally had this idea before i read this lol i think it would fit his fantasy so damn well.
Dr. Mundo is also getting a rework, thank god. I'm sick of those kinds of champions
What is your source that they are planning to rework them? The link in the description says nothing about it.
Jax really needs a visual rework, just look at the mobile version of him or in the mecha kingdom trailer he just looks so cool but in game looks wierd
About Cho, and pretty much everyother Void creature, I think its just about a visual update, make it match better with the lore and between them (Kog doen't even look like a voidborn at this point)
But the thing that always hits me when anyone talks about reworks, ppl rarely talk about Zyra, Amumu or Singed... to me those 3 need it ALOT more than someone like Cho or Rammus.
I disagree with Zyra needing it more than Cho and Ram. But i do agree that Amumu could use a change and Singed needs at least a mild rework.
Still waiting for my ricochet champ that can bounce stuff over walls
camille, there you go xD
@@spartanboy1990 nah that's a gap closer, not a ricochet, i mean a for real ability that does trick shots.
@@knightgale2120 I mean.... Vel'Koz creates his own walls if you will.
@@gazelle_diamond9768 vel doesn’t really work either, I’m imagining a champ that has let’s say a gun, and if it hits a wall it bounces, and can continue to like maybe 2 more times
@@knightgale2120 I know, I was just making a joke because Vel does have an ability that... somewhat is a ricochet (not really, but you get what I mean).
Bring back Dominion and Twisted Treeline 🥂
Like at least in the rotation mode since they don't have a lot of players, but I still wanna play them again.
My top 3:
1. Udyr.
He's so outdated and Liner with his kit, basically needs a full Voli or Fiddle style rework.
Sad that Riot only added their logo to his skin. A+ Effort
2. Nocturne
He's the same as Udyr, just more useful when he DOES go in.
He only feels like a scary shadow monster when he has an ult, so he'll need a Makeover like Fiddle.
This one will surprise people
3. Rumble.
He's the only champ to use the heat mechanic, and while he has been strong, it's the balance of pro vs casual play that makes me feel like he should be reworked.
You're punished in casual play, even if you understand his heat mechanic, because on top of waiting for Cooldowns, you wait for the heat meter to go down.
But visually too, he's really clunky and unappealing to look at besides his Super Galaxy Skin.
[I feel like all Yordles should receive this, I mean look at Triatana and Poppy, then Teemo, Rumble or Lulu]
Edit: Made some grammar changes (Phone OP) and added little info here and there.
I agree on the first two, but i think Rumble could use just a Voli style rework, not a full blown one. I play him a lot, so i admit i may have bias, but I want his heat to stay and feel that it defines him as a unique champion. But he does sometimes become a stat stick and I think he has more potential than that.
@@hellfrozenphoenix13 I agree with the level of rework, but the Heat Mechanic needs some fine tuning.
Champions with Energy or Rage lose their bonuses slower than Rumble uses his heat.
And I get that "heat takes a while to cool", but it feels so linear. "Stay above 50 to get bonus effects, and under 100 before a teamfight"
@@phantomjacob yeah, I think having a skill to vent hear, rather than generate it, could be a cool concept.
Cho’gath just needs a full ground up rework but keep his abilities to eat things, there was a cool rework concept where Cho gets the devour in his normal kit where if he kills something with it he gets stacks but takes more stacks to grow as much and evolves every now and then with a knock back tail wips ult that stuns when thrown into a wall and get multiple tail wips based on amount of times he evolves
As a Nocturne Main, these aee my ideas of skills to change:
Passive - His passive doesn't realy match his assassin play style but is great in duels. Riot should change his passive depending on his key role
Q - His Q must be changed because this makes nocturne dependent on his Q to perform his dueling output and leaves quite weak when Q wears off.
W - His spellshield is fine and unique.
E - His Fear is very great in duels but not in assassinating like how riot describe him.
R - Nothing to change in his R, this what makes Nocturne.
Riot must change his skill set depending on his role and i prefer him as fighter.
Omg Shyvana changing with Dragon soul would be great.
Honestly I feel like most of these champions are fine but just need a visual update as their models are old and dated now.
In my opinion, MF and Zilean needs a visual rework, their kit works well for their purpose (Which is new player champs ez to play),
Maybe change MF passive for her W and make her Love tap an Active on her W (Like she deals X magic dmg per auto meanwhile the active is on) and her passive would be the movement speed.
And Zilean could have his same kit but with a new appearance and change his passive for like a mini version of his ult (When he gets enough exp or sum he'll heal the ally he clicks)
I'm really hoping they do something with Janna in the next couple years. Her lore turned her into so much more interesting of a concept and now her visuals are not only outdated, but don't match what she's become. Her kit could also do with a couple tweaks mainly to her passive and W.
Udyr is a versitile champion, he isnt bad but he is old and the model is old as well. I mean maybe he needs some tweaks but he is one of a kind with his kit for sure.
I agree. Udyr should be reworked to have a proper ult, but i would say focus in on his unique "basic attack focused" gameplay.
I agree on Cho'Gath. He needs a visual overhaul, because he were one of the first *void* characters to enter league, heck i even think he's been in the game since it released (as i remember his oldest design were in the first cinematic trailer). Even volibear looks scarier than him and cho is supposed to be this big scary mf that chases you down, like you were being hunted by Jason Vorhees.
Only half of his kit have changed, like his E gives you 3 attacks now instead of being a passive that consumes mana, and his R can go beyond 6 stacks if you kill champs with it.
I really hope they keep things very simple yet just complex enough to be compelling to play. This is why I main Yorick, a champion who isn't super complex but at the same time isn't very simple, a very nice mix of both.
Imagine if every skill of Udyr summons animal spirit literally like for example with his Tiger stance he gets a small attack speed boost with a tiger spirit summon and attacking the champion on a set duration and range like Kindred's Wolf spirit, for bear you get a bear spirit that sprint to enemy champ and stun or slow then on upon hit while you get movement speed boost, for turtle you get a shield while the turtle spirit blocks enemy attacks to reduce damage like that of braums shield skill, for ultimate you summon the phoenix skill by diving to the enemy then bursting to flames giving aoe fire damage for a few seconds on affected zone and gaining flame damage on your attacks for a few seconds. For the passive the monkey stance summons monkey spirit every 3 skills it will enchance your next skill used.
Clicking: Plsnotshacoplsnotshacoplsnotshaco
Video: First rework is Shaco
Me: fuck!
As someone else said, I'd also love to see full visual Cho rework. Or actually give him some form of evolving, based on either stacks of feast or ultimate level. Imagine if in his final form he looked somewhat like in this video (a little less looking like Rek'Sai though). He would actually be the huge, terrifying monster I'd want to see.
His abilities however are fine. Simple kit, but not easy to execute. His Q is one of the hardest abilities to hit. His weaknesses and strengths are pretty clear, definitely not a rework material.
Hell yeah, I love the vids. The same feels and style as those many years ago
Honestly, when you said Cho, it honestly made me think that honestly just about all of the void needs reworks to match with Malz and Kai'Sa. The asthetic you get from those 2 doesn't gel with the likes of Cho or Kog'maw for instance. As they've really defined some of the other parts of runeterra, it feels as if they are either doing some major planning for the void, or they forgot it.
I personally feel like kog’maw needs more range increases because a lot of abilities make him sound like living artillery. In league today his range compared to many others is rather off putting. Especially compared to xerath and swain who can kill you halfway across the map
Shy could get new passive abilities due to the dragons she kills. Air is pull enemies towards her when she w's in dragon form, water could be nami's q mixed with her dragon e in ult form. So you get knocked up and dealt damage. Fire could be overall passive damage in dragon form. Earth could root targets with q bite. Elder gives her wings in human form so now her abilities are as if she is in dragon form and her ult is like pantheons where she can slam down hard on people.
I wonder if the Udyr Rework is gonna be like the Elementalist Lux concept.
Where he can use 4 skills to create new animals.
Tiger + Phoenix = Griffin
Or maybe he's able to use all of his forms and form like A chimera as a passive Ult.
That would be cool
Idea for rammus: Q: it's a rolling ball and when he hits a target he taounts that target so you have something else for E ability like when you rolling in ball you can jump or something. R could be like huge slow and grounding all enemies in radius. For W: just better visual. His spikes grows.
Omg you’re back and I didn’t know ? Better go see last videos!
Shacos E could work as an autoattack refreshed while unseen
Wukong's ulti rework sound cool. Wukong's ult became big gorilla just like the movie, wukong became gorilla. That so cool i guess
as a jungle main, noc is my 2nd main. Personally, i feel like he should be rw into a better assassin with one of his abilities being able to escape after casting his ulti or rw into a bruiser by increasing his overall armor and mr, also because of his passive heal and his W spell shield, i can see building bruiser items on him works quite well like goredrinker, black cleaver, death dance etc
I miss Quinn transforming into Valor when Ulting. Quinn being that Versatile, fast ganker is becoming too sickening since she can pick almost any lane and easily travel and gank other lanes by just using he ult.
Udyr should just get a passive where he summons animal companions that deal bonus damage. Or he has pet traps that he can set in bushes like fid's new passive wards. So his wards just hit the target with whatever udyr was when he placed it. So say you were bear when you place a spirit orb. The orb breaks and bear comes out stunning you. Turtle comes out hits you creates a shield that udry can pick up. Tiger puts bleed on enemy plus grievous so it is hard to heal. Then obviously as the more points he puts in it gets stronger. Phoenix just gives you a magic debuff, lasts longer but doubles the next magic attack you take.
Skarner's ult should be a skill shot, and he can whip it back. Like urgot, but they are still locked in place so you can drag him onto his control areas
There litterly already posion on shacos e that slows..
No they took two shiv poison away awhile ago
@@tylerprice9514 Shaco’s E has a passive that has his basic attacks slow enemies by 20-30% for 2 seconds, and the active slows enemies for 3 seconds. Nothing was taken away.
I love skarner and I think the only thing he needs is a VGU update and an update to his Q and W, I Do agree when about the Dash to his W but I think it needs to function like Flora's Q and slows them like 1.5 seconds and the Q needs to something like injecting poison with his stinger And dealing bonus damage to to monsters and heals him depending on his missing health
Rammus should just have a new passive that allows him to strip his shell and grow a new one. So the set up could be the shell blocks your path so you have to break it before you can move on. He can jump over walls if a shell was place in front of the wall and he Q's at it. His ult can be three shells so the more damage he takes the shells fall off then he can just spam q and bounce off between them. Sort of like pinball. Basically like a bigger jarvan ult but he bounces off the walls aka turtle shells.
One mistake you committed in this video, is that they deserve that high skilled outplay potential kit, and although you can perform such moves as any champion, some champions just need to be basic
A wise man once said and I quote "for every Aphelios there's gotta be a Sett", you have to make simple and easily understandable kits of abilities, for both new and veteran players to enjoy!
One good example is Pantheon, they were able to make his rework simple maintaining all the traits that made Pantheon who he is and make some skill expressions available for people that put the time to fully learn him!
Imagine if trynda’s ult turns into his passive- but it works like.
When trynda dies, he has 5 seconds till he actually dies- if he gets a kill then he resurrects at the end of five seconds.
That is literally just Aatrox ult without the movement speed increase
Singed, Mundo, Trynda, Rammus... And my favorite Viktor. Maybe is good option, if Viktor cant buy normal items, but can develop his own body parts, and skills. Maybe :/
Quin needs to just do a switch like survival hunters in current retail wow. Get rid of crossbow, give her a pole arm and valor is with her all the time. Flanking strike with valor, gain a harpoon ability that flings her to the target and roots them. Just have valor on auto move, with the ability to have quin players move him on his own if they wanted. But valor can be knocked out and come back later when he heals. Her cult just makes valor intercept one damage ability for her and increasing her movement speed so she can run. And she gains a trap like Sing's w. Slows when hit. So she can trap them longer with harpoon.
For my Udyr rework idea, I think he should have to choose which forms he does... The way this could be implemented is by having certain effects happen when going from one form to another... Say like if he were do go from Turtle to Phoenix with his shield still on him it will explode the shield and deal a decent amount of damage or something of the sorts...
Maybe also implement him taking reduced damage when getting attacked from behind during turtle stance or something...
I wanna see a hecarim rework. He just yeets in and swings a stick
He has game imapct which is why they probably won't rework him. As a champion he serves a purpose as a disruptor engage fighter.
a visual rework would be great tho
He don't need a big rework I think just for visuals he'd kinda goofy tho
How do you make this list and leave out Gragas and Anivia? They both have ps2 level models.
Also Shaco does have cc... He doesn't need a rework
Funfact: They made Chogath from the Movie Spawn after the Violator. look it up, its Cho.
9:15 Udyr Rework is legit needed really bad.
I love Cho but I think the champ need some changes and surely a VU. I'll expect good changes, but I will be mad at Riot if the champ feels bad. I have ideas for Cho but I don't where to share that to let some rioters know the info.
I also think Shaco changes could be better if he gets treated as Wukong for the upcoming rework, changing him more towards a bruiser than an assassin. That way he would feel more balanced that an invis assassin that gets a clone and destroys you (In the past he felt like a Leblanc 2.0).
For tryn make his w stun in place, q embowers autos and no longer heals. His e stays the same. His ult ramps up his damage and lasts longer per auto he can land. So making it even more necessary to lock him down and not to try to muscle through him.
Wow all those champs I played them so much and some of them are lvl 7 except Quinn
Shaco should double down on jack n box theme. Is passive now allows him to teleport from box to box. His q stealth allows him to drop boxes without breaking. His w has two charges. E now throws a dagger which roots the target and only he can be pulled to it. Ult now mimics what he does. Simple but strong. or Like say e is now another box but this time it just shoots daggers out in aoe.
If they made rammus’s Q also have a choice to be a sling shot ability I think he could be really fun
I can already tell you, DONT WORRY, rammus is getting a small rework so while in q his ult sends him forward like voli r but applies his ult there, but his q isn't being touched as it's an iconic part of his kit.
The champion I want to have an overhaul more than anyone is Lulu. A visual upgrade would be great, and giving Pix more of a presence would be great too.
For nocturn, riot should make his ult more like specter from dota, meaning you spawn illusion near your ennemy that can do fake spell
And for ma boy cho’ have the ult a basic spell (tuned down) but with lot more stack possible, growing in size and tenacity like make it half the size of a lane wide, eg: 100 stack max, creep give 5/ jungle give 10, baron&dragon 30, champ 20
Each stack= bonus hp% (because you are bigger) + tenacity % (capped at extra 50%, so you can buy other item too)
Upon death lose like 30%?
Like at lvl 5 it’s around 10 sec, and ofc you deal bonus dmg vs npc
If riot dont like the point & click, make it a small lunge skillshot that cannot make you pass wall and cliff,
,hehehe you can even make the skillshot bigger if you have max stat, so you can nomnom multiple target, (well you have a big mouth)
And even crayzier is small cliff in river can be passable if you are max stack since you are so big they are just a small step for bigcho’
His spike, make it a passive that is stronger the bigger you are, (or just scrap it)
His ult should be either the knock up or his silence
Personally i think it should be the silence, since you are so big that your scream should burst your ear, (scream like GIMMI FOOOD, AaAaAAaah)
For fantasy sake, when he scream make him spit saliva everywhere, corroding armor for eating all that metal that is on your meal
Gameplay wise he should be more like a ap burst garen, you are so fat, big and slow, that you have difficulty to nom those pesky little champ that are running away from you
Yeah i love my big cho’
Skarner should get a dash and a new passive where he gets stacks of hardening like cho gath's ult passive. Only way to get stacks is to kill someone in ult.
I think the Quinn analysis is kinda weak. She has a defined playstyle. She goes top, bullies melee characters, then tries to roam, tries to snipe out a carry in the team fight, then fall of late games. When you say she’s all over the place...how? She does the same kind of stuff every time. I would agree she’s not great and could use a rework but your reasoning seems vague.
His points held water in the past, but this entire season and most of the last one, she has found her place. I think her rework just needs to cater to that top role fantasy.
imo Udyrs skillcap is pretty high, but he needs a lead to be actually useful, other than that he's just a stun and bait machine.
I don't think you should rework Quinn at all
I miss Certainly T, sure his Champions were overloaded but very unique. I mean Yasuo, Zoe and Akali may have OP kits but it sure is fun to use em, nowadays new Champions are basically a better version of another Champion example: *Seraphine*
Make noc's q triple his speed, make noc's w reflect stuns or crowd control for 3 seconds. E now slashes around him with aoe fear, ult summons two copies of himself and ulta random enemies he didn't pick to ult. So it hits them but does no damage to give him a few seconds to attack his main target.
Or do a complete 180 and make him anti yumi. He goes into you and deals damage over time while he is in you, he can fear you while in you he summons clones of himself to attack you while he is in you. But they charge at you and if you don't kill them they deal massive damage to you once they reach you. How to get him out of you is cleanse item or he can be in you for 5 seconds at a time. So he can just keep swapping targets in a team fight.
There're champions in greater need of reworka than most of these TBH.
My picks would be:
Annie / Amumu / Jax / Kassadin / Nasus / Olaf / Ryze / Sivir / Sona / Trundle & Veigar.
7:40 wtf no. Exactly thats the whole fun with Chogath. Hes perfect. They fucked up Fiddle so hard for me.
My top 3 for a rework:
1- Chogath
2- Shaco
3- Nocturne
My top 3 for an ASU:
1- Singed (make him ride a chemtank)
2- Anivia
3- Tryndamere
I don't know if this is bad or not but maybe riot can buff duskbringer to not just move through units but to move through terrains just like Kayn.
If they changed shyvana, so that her R was a toggle, and she would be able to fly after being out of combat for 6 seconds. That would be super cool