He is not just talking about Christians, he is talking about all of us. We better get our act together and live in ways that are acceptable to the continuation of life on earth.
you can tell from the vibe of this vid , & the 2 people, that this was recorded in the early or mid 90s or maybe 1980s. calmer. Before ubiquitous cell phones & home computers.
A wonderful and illuminating conversation on Teilhard de Chardin and his unique contribution. In my view, this leads well into the insights of Ray Kurzweil.
Thank you so much for publishing this tremendous interview. Worth watching again and again. I've never taken notes while watching a TH-cam. But I did for this one!
Very helpful. A very fine critique. Humanism can have a narcissistic shadow. We’re not as much biological creatures as we are ecological creatures. The idea of being a biological creatures suggests that we’re independent from our environmental context. We and our environmental contacts are one and the same. Our environmental context is part of this integrative, indivisible understanding that seems to be informing quantum philosophy. Interview was very helpful. Much love.❤
Thomas Berry talks as if Teilhard was in error to some extent by not taking into account the dangers of exploitation of natural resources. But his focus was on the advancement of human capabilities -- which he was correct to focus upon, and indeed in many ways humanity is making advances. The WRONGS we have seen since Teilhard's time have to do with our system that allows greed-based sociopaths to rise in wealth and power high enough to promote great damage to our ecology for the purpose of making those in power even richer. Berry is correct to point out the ecological damage being done by the sociopaths in control of corporations and Wall Street (but that has nothing to do with Teilhard). Factory farming and Monsanto type agriculture must STOP! We are already seeing the effects as illness of various types becomes more prevalent despite great advances in medicine. For the first time in our history the current young generation is not expected to live as long as their parents.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin lived at a different time from Thomas Berry and had amazing insights that had not been written about previously in terms of spirituality, philosophy, faith and the Church (not to mention his scientific contribution). He was stopped by the Church from teaching or publishing these. Both Thomas Berry and Brian Swimme have taken the ideas of Pierre Teilhard, built on them in light of further advances in science and Berry's enormous breadth of knowledge and made his writings more accessible to us. In my own experience studying in the USA, neither Berry or Swimme really acknowledged how much they used Teilhard's writings. I do not understand from the many papers and books Teilhard wrote, including "The Human Phenomenon," that he wanted the human to control everything. That comment seems to me to be taken out of the wider context of Teilhard's writings. It also does not seem to recognise Teilhard as a mystic and the bearing of this on what he wrote. I did find that I needed to read many of them to really get a grasp on what he was saying from different perspectives. However, Thomas Berry had a brilliant mind so who am I to disagree???
15:35 "... what must mark the Christian in the future is an unparalleled zeal for creation..." 21:14 "... The #human is in a manner integral with the #universe. So, if You want me to tell my story I'll tell the #story of the universe... The story of the universe _is_ the human story. "
She was not simply an interviewer, she and her late husband Lou Niznik who taped this were contributing so much documenting Thomas Berry’s talks in many many occasions.
@@banyusegara2882 - I would call her more of a promoter than an interviewer. Thank you for your explanation. Her “interview” process sounded more like the cooings and nuzzlings of a lovebird in her nest. She had Mr. Berry singing like the proverbial bird. The whole process tells me what I need to know about deChardin. His was a philosophy of big feelings about things. A sitting duck in the hands of the dystopian Atlanticists such as Aldous Huxley. “We’ll make you a star!” said the Englishman.
@rgw5991 Certain capitalists cannot stand the idea of ftee energy. They would rather besmirch him rather than give him credit. It seems the idea of free energy has been replaced with the idea of planned obsolesence. The two are not the same. I am thankful the counter culture of the 60's awakened people to Tesla.
The Jews and their Torah established the first dogma. The hierarchy of man and God. Absolutely no one is allowed to say their Hierarchy is a work of fiction written by the Sanhedrin to gain an advantage. Thier anthropomorphic god gives the Jews the right to rule, inherit the earth, make women lower than man, and make slaves of all non-Jews. The god of the Jews was the same god of Babylon rebranded. The Catholic Church (Koran as well ) accepts this dogma and the Jesuits inforced it with the Inquisition using extreme violence (torture and burning alive) with the intent to terrorize all into obedience (Muslims as well). The Jesuits stop the Enlightenment movement which questioned the established hierarchy with a powerful strike by burning Giordano Bruno alive. Bruno was an Italian Dominican friar, philosopher, mathematician, poet, and cosmological theorist. He was a deep thinker and felt no obligation to become dogmatic about any thinking process in the sciences. The Jesuits (a fully cloaked and ordained military order) took control of the western education system and continued to enforce the old testaments Babalonian Hierarchical system as a Devine mandate for all to submit to. and obey. Thus, their name, Society of Jesus. Capitalizing on the idea Jesus is Gods ordained ruler of earth and no other is higher in status. God and Jesus being coequal in all aspects. Submission to this hierarchy is absolute and was enforced with violence if need be. (Machivallian) The education system by its very nature pushes this dogma by establishing an academic hierarchy that everyone must climb the latter and thus is planted firmly in children minds. (governments mandate) Professor enjoys professing theories and dogma as absolute truth and a presupposition without challenge. This idea of Jewish hierarchy has permeated our minds as an unquestioned presupposition to our logic. If a presupposition is a fallacy then the syllogism is fallacious. Thus, it cannot be logical. Government and religous hierarchy is supposily a Divine mandate favoring the Jews. Hum?
well chaz, one thing is clear. You, like Thomas Berry, have a headful of irrational unfounded thoughts. After listening to Mr. Berry expounding on deChardin, I can see how one could be brought to the edge of sanity and begin to mimic the blarney going through the mind of Mr. Berry.
Grateful for this. Thanks
He is not just talking about Christians, he is talking about all of us. We better get our act together and live in ways that are acceptable to the continuation of life on earth.
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you can tell from the vibe of this vid , & the 2 people, that this was recorded in the early or mid 90s or maybe 1980s. calmer. Before ubiquitous cell phones & home computers.
A wonderful and illuminating conversation on Teilhard de Chardin and his unique contribution. In my view, this leads well into the insights of Ray Kurzweil.
@S&DH - yes, transhumanism is his thing!
Thank you so much for publishing this tremendous interview. Worth watching again and again. I've never taken notes while watching a TH-cam. But I did for this one!
Very helpful. A very fine critique. Humanism can have a narcissistic shadow.
We’re not as much biological creatures as we are ecological creatures. The idea of being a biological creatures suggests that we’re independent from our environmental context. We and our environmental contacts are one and the same. Our environmental context is part of this integrative, indivisible understanding that seems to be informing quantum philosophy. Interview was very helpful. Much love.❤
Thomas Berry talks as if Teilhard was in error to some extent by not taking into account the dangers of exploitation of natural resources. But his focus was on the advancement of human capabilities -- which he was correct to focus upon, and indeed in many ways humanity is making advances.
The WRONGS we have seen since Teilhard's time have to do with our system that allows greed-based sociopaths to rise in wealth and power high enough to promote great damage to our ecology for the purpose of making those in power even richer.
Berry is correct to point out the ecological damage being done by the sociopaths in control of corporations and Wall Street (but that has nothing to do with Teilhard). Factory farming and Monsanto type agriculture must STOP! We are already seeing the effects as illness of various types becomes more prevalent despite great advances in medicine. For the first time in our history the current young generation is not expected to live as long as their parents.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin lived at a different time from Thomas Berry and had amazing insights that had not been written about previously in terms of spirituality, philosophy, faith and the Church (not to mention his scientific contribution). He was stopped by the Church from teaching or publishing these. Both Thomas Berry and Brian Swimme have taken the ideas of Pierre Teilhard, built on them in light of further advances in science and Berry's enormous breadth of knowledge and made his writings more accessible to us. In my own experience studying in the USA, neither Berry or Swimme really acknowledged how much they used Teilhard's writings. I do not understand from the many papers and books Teilhard wrote, including "The Human Phenomenon," that he wanted the human to control everything. That comment seems to me to be taken out of the wider context of Teilhard's writings. It also does not seem to recognise Teilhard as a mystic and the bearing of this on what he wrote. I did find that I needed to read many of them to really get a grasp on what he was saying from different perspectives. However, Thomas Berry had a brilliant mind so who am I to disagree???
I am glad to hear of the problem of original sin. Paul brings a connection however from the first Adam to the second Adam.
Thanks for posting this. When was it recorded?
thanks for this zegneg
15:35 "... what must mark the Christian in the future is an unparalleled zeal for creation..."
21:14 "... The #human is in a manner integral with the #universe. So, if You want me to tell my story I'll tell the #story of the universe... The story of the universe _is_ the human story. "
+maxxeyordie That is the most egocentrical thing i ever heard, but of course, that's christianity.
cannot make out what Berry says at 28 min 30 sec. ..?
The interviewer is good at noises to agree
She was not simply an interviewer, she and her late husband Lou Niznik who taped this were contributing so much documenting Thomas Berry’s talks in many many occasions.
@@banyusegara2882 - I would call her more of a promoter than an interviewer. Thank you for your explanation. Her “interview” process sounded more like the cooings and nuzzlings of a lovebird in her nest. She had Mr. Berry singing like the proverbial bird. The whole process tells me what I need to know about deChardin. His was a philosophy of big feelings about things. A sitting duck in the hands of the dystopian Atlanticists such as Aldous Huxley. “We’ll make you a star!” said the Englishman.
Much important!
@rgw5991 Certain capitalists cannot stand the idea of ftee energy. They would rather besmirch him rather than give him credit. It seems the idea of free energy has been replaced with the idea of planned obsolesence. The two are not the same. I am thankful the counter culture of the 60's awakened people to Tesla.
nous sphere is what capricorn bursts into aquarius ..
go vegan
The Jews and their Torah established the first dogma. The hierarchy of man and God. Absolutely no one is allowed to say their Hierarchy is a work of fiction written by the Sanhedrin to gain an advantage. Thier anthropomorphic god gives the Jews the right to rule, inherit the earth, make women lower than man, and make slaves of all non-Jews. The god of the Jews was the same god of Babylon rebranded. The Catholic Church (Koran as well ) accepts this dogma and the Jesuits inforced it with the Inquisition using extreme violence (torture and burning alive) with the intent to terrorize all into obedience (Muslims as well).
The Jesuits stop the Enlightenment movement which questioned the established hierarchy with a powerful strike by burning Giordano Bruno alive. Bruno was an Italian Dominican friar, philosopher, mathematician, poet, and cosmological theorist. He was a deep thinker and felt no obligation to become dogmatic about any thinking process in the sciences.
The Jesuits (a fully cloaked and ordained military order) took control of the western education system and continued to enforce the old testaments Babalonian Hierarchical system as a Devine mandate for all to submit to. and obey. Thus, their name, Society of Jesus. Capitalizing on the idea Jesus is Gods ordained ruler of earth and no other is higher in status. God and Jesus being coequal in all aspects. Submission to this hierarchy is absolute and was enforced with violence if need be. (Machivallian)
The education system by its very nature pushes this dogma by establishing an academic hierarchy that everyone must climb the latter and thus is planted firmly in children minds. (governments mandate) Professor enjoys professing theories and dogma as absolute truth and a presupposition without challenge.
This idea of Jewish hierarchy has permeated our minds as an unquestioned presupposition to our logic. If a presupposition is a fallacy then the syllogism is fallacious. Thus, it cannot be logical. Government and religous hierarchy is supposily a Divine mandate favoring the Jews. Hum?
I’m sorry, but what the heck are you talking about?
well chaz, one thing is clear. You, like Thomas Berry, have a headful of irrational unfounded thoughts. After listening to Mr. Berry expounding on deChardin, I can see how one could be brought to the edge of sanity and begin to mimic the blarney going through the mind of Mr. Berry.