Maybe I haven't seen anyone else do it, but finally... a tangible and very plausible theory/explanation to the starting area of the game. I always found it a curious choice or design, intriguing but confusing. Great video Jake!
Two things: It is more likely that the grafted Spider killed our maiden. Three key pieces of evidence support this. 1. The door is locked from the inside 2. There is a massive hole in the Chapel cieling 3. The spider is the only enemy there Next, how we got to the starting point of the game. There is a portion of the coastline that has a cave entrance. This cave enterance leads directly back to the tutorial area of the game. If you look on your map, not far from the coastline is the chapel. This would mean that our character simply washed ashore after either being defeated by the spider or falling to our deaths. This would explain the subtle water sound effects and how Melina found us.
You actually dont die in the beginning, at the chapel of anticipation. You just have your health reduced to 1. You can see this by having your stats up as you "die".
Which is funny cause if you do kill the Scion, then you do actually die to advance the game. It's just funny that losing the fight leads to not technically dying and winning the fight leads to definitely dying
This appears to have been fixed recently, having started a few playthroughs recently for different builds losing to the scion now gives you a full You Died screen before going dark and playing the splash of the scion tossing you into the ocean.
I feel like since we died wherever marika banished the tarnished to, this is us walking up in our “after death” form. So a chapel/crypt like area is there only logical place to start… imo Source being marikas dialog to Godfrey (told to us by Melina at one of the churches SOG) and the beginning cut scene showing all the main characters of the game also dead.
I swore that I thought the Guidance of Grace was actually a spoof, a lie fabricated by Ranni. To me, seeing other tarnished simply "not see" the grace basically meant that our character was a particular minority. Almost too particular a minority at that. When we get to the Elden Throne, the thorns bar our character's entry. This, to me, speaks volumes that our character was _never deigned by fate_ to sit on the Elden Throne. This is why we cannot use the Fingerslayer Blade to sever our fate, because _our character never had fate to begin with._ As Varre said, we were fated to die in obscurity. That was until the spectral steed stopped to notice our character's pathetic body and vouched it's strength to Melina for her to essentially use our character's capabilities to achieve her own goals as well. This led me to two ideas: 1) that Melina is the reason we even "see" guidance of grace or 2) Ranni is the reason we "see" guidance of grace. It's not the actual guidance of grace itself, but a familiar illusion. I speculated that it would be Ranni who made this illusion as the Two Fingers appear to have a moment of outright confusion by the fact that our character couldn't get into the Elden Throne. This would allow for openings (either here or in the future) where she could complete her idealized ascension as she saw fit.
Not so sure the guiding grace is an illusion specific to our character. When Godfrey approaches us after defeating Margot you can see his guiding grace pointing to our character.
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I think its far more likely Melina murdered our Maiden, Varre's plan requires us to get to the Roundtable, realize the Two Fingers are frauds, and then sacrifice our own Maiden for the invite, he has nothing to gain and everything to lose by murdering her. Melina on the other hand needs us to be Maidless so she can be our guide and knew exactly when and where our body would wash up.
They are all conniving snakes, some are just more transparent than others (Melina, Rani, Marika). I say liberate this place from the tyranny of all factions (great will/2 fingers, 3 fingers/burning flame, other outer gods, voidborn, empeyrans, demi-gods, etc..) with a rune of perfect golden order under YOUR complete control. If all behave the same way and leave you with no choice, because inaction is not an option and some faction will decide for you, then YOU TAKE CHARGE. It's either you or them, the lore has made this perfectly clear, a void from inaction will always be filled by someone else.
This is a great retrospective to see after so many hours of playing. The level of manipulation that our Tarnished is subjected to is crazy, and I agree that Varré is johnny-on-the-spot with that. As for dead maidens, one still stumps me in terms of any backstory and that’s the burned Maiden in Shack of the Lofty in the Mountaintops. Who took her out, and for what purpose - manipulation? Juno Hoslow is the closest Tarnished to that spot (invasion target for Volcano Manor). Was she his? Was she merely caught and killed as she made her way to her destiny? Shabriri is not too far away from there, and the clothing set you get is Irina/Hyetta’s bloodied set so - more questions than answers. A whole video on the known Maidens and their stories and how they were used for various ends would be interesting, for sure.
I was also thinking the same thing. The area seemed preserved for person of high importance. I also think we are Torrent’s former master I think torrent senses our spirit but our flesh was reformed simply through character creation.
Honestly one thing i was always curious of was the degradation of stormveils outerwalls. To me at least the damage looked like something corrosive attacked them and Honestly it reminded me of the abyss corruption from dark souls 3
Idk about varre being the killer we do know he is a servant of Mohg with a medallion that also transports him to mohgwyn palace a place that’s literally covered in blood lmao
Haven't watched yet. Let's see if I get this right. 1. Sign up to be part of Godfrey's united tribes. 2. Crusade across the lands with him to "defend the erdtree." 3. Defeat everyone and get dumped by Marika like a bag of cement. 4. Go on a trip to badlands national park and fight each other because there's not much else to do. 5. Oops you got unalived because the rune of death ain't sealed over here, silly goose. 6. Get randomly summoned back because Marika comes crawling back, but she still hasn't apologized so... maybe it's just a glitch or something. 7. Boil some yummi crustaceans. Also steal and kill everything in sight, especially if some glowy shit is pointing at it. 8. Probably die again. If you're still seeing glowy shit, you get to repeat this step!
Roderika never once saw grace and isn’t a fighter, it seems like she hasn’t been led astray from the path of Elden Lord because she was never on that path. Spirit Tuning is probably the best way she could help anyone become Elden Lord.
That's crazy now I see why we were at the water when we met Melina with torrent at the water and I didn't know the other tarnished at the roundtable can't see grace again except us
I'd speculated that the Tarnished do begin the game inside the Erdtree, but I didn't piece together that it's their soul that is in the Erdtree, while their body lies elsewhere. Good work
Okay so I have a few whack theories..I know I might be wrong but lol I love theorycrafting :) take everything with a grain of salt : 1. After this video, it got me thinking.. we could be either a shard of Marika, or Ragadon himself. Weird when I say this, but maybe this is because before revival we were in the inner most area of erdtree, same as the final bossfight arena where no one else was allowed to enter as it was protected by the vines of the erdtree. The Ragadon we fight in the final battle is one 'powered' or controlled by Elden beast (an empty shell), because Marika+Ragadon combo was killed by the Greater Will and the body was preserved for convenience. Same reason why Melina can see us, and why Marika has high hopes for us, and why we as a tarnished can actually kill DemiGods which should not be possible by any normal standards. Another thing unrelated to this video is that I believe Ragadon is a mimic tear of Marika, who was left alone for too long to be able to grow and build a family of his own, which is why Marika brought him back as a 'husband'. Marika must have initially created him from her own self as a form to remove the bindings of the Golden Order. Ragadon having red hair has something to do with the entire Giants vs Marika fight and the 'curse' we hear about, it is also possible that she herself was affected in that fight and in order to remove that curse she split a part of herself into a mimic tear which was Ragadon, hence him also 'hating' his red hair(this is whack I know but I love theories). This also explains why Ranni was an Empyrean, meaning she was born as the daughter of a true God, Ragadon. The birth of the 3R's solidified the presence of Ragadon not just as a spirit/power, but his own entity with a soul, which is why we see Renala with the thing she is clutching given by Ragadon as a last resort before leaving her in case of his own death in the future. The influence of Ragadon must have grown enough for Marika to be afraid of losing control, and also for preventing Ragadon having his own plans and family affair away from the Golden Order. I can only think of Ragadon as one of the biggest pawns used by everyone, and now finally having a will of his own starting from almost nothing and re-learning everything only to destroy his own body and finally becoming free of the Golden Order in earnest. This also is kind of a full circle with the Giants arc, defeating them and burning the tree that Marika was troubled with. One thing that also makes my mind itch is the initial cut scene with Godwyn. His eye was shown when he died. Now look at Melina's right eye. It looks like a cross of two fingers with half mark of death. Which can also explain the theory of why Ranni's soul lived, while Godwyn's soul perished. The two different eyes of Melina shows her being Ranni's other half of the death rune symbol. This can also mean that either Melina's body was used and eye was transplanted for Godwyn to take revenge, since he might now want anyone to become the lord except for his own family (I know this is crazy). Or this could mean Melina has/had relations with the dusk eyed queen And Godwyn. The only reason she ever deviates from her path is when we become the Lord of Chaos, and that is not the ending Melina wants out of us as there is no true Lord of the Lands Between in this ending. I think Melina ties with all three - Ranni as the other half of Death (Godwyn's eye+rune power activation), Dusk eyed queen and three fingers (Chaos). Do feel free to correct me but man the eye cut scene really made me wonder why it was shown. Love the video u made. Cheers!
I was waiting for someone to finally talk about the chapel of anticipation. From the very first time I played I wondered why the hell we even started there
I was kind of hoping for you to sneak in the PAtches dialogue at the Volcano manor where he mocks "lost grace" when talking about Tarnished not able to see.
There's a lot of stuff I would have liked changed in the chapel gameplay wise. Like I think it would have been fun if you had to find your weapons like in ds1. It's small, but it would have been a fun change imo
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i think varre knew you were gonna be on the beach and threw your body in the graveyard. then when you came out he was like oh wow you came back but oh no i killed yo maiden jeez what shall you do
So I'm fairly certain that death root is not the same thing as the death blight thorns, and what afflicts Rogier is the death blight. If you look at the death root item it is a bulb like "plant" (like an onion or something). And D talks about weeding out the death root in places where it is overgrown. At these places we can find larger versions of this bulb-like death root. But no where at any of these places do we find the thorns. The death thorns are only found at places associated with the death blight and Godwin. And at none of those locations do we find death root. It seems that while they are both related to the concept of death they are two distinct things.
I'm still kinda confused, hope you guys can help me out: So, the tarnished were banned to wage war in a land afar where they will live and die recieving the grace back after their death. Then our tarnished possibly died again on the way or as soon as we arrive at the lands between, then by the guidance of grace a maiden finds us and take care of us until we wake up. Is that it? Another thing i've been thinking of is the teleportation tha occurs throughout the game (there's a video pointing that teleportation is a thing in elden ring). Maybe our maiden found us, took refuge in the chapel with us to wait our awakening, then is hunted down by the scion.
This made it really hard to full immerse myself in the role play element of this game I couldn’t make up a story on how my tarnished knight returned to the lands between … how did we get to the church and why ? Did we die here or did our ship on the sea coming back after seeing grace land here ?
My character is called scrublord wolf Why scrublord? Because he was the very last tarnished to be revived and come back to the lands between only cuz he sucked that bad the greater will had lack of options so the scrublord is the last tarnished that's why he was given to guidance of grace
if you read the finger maiden puppet it sounds awefully a lot like it is being implied that it was our maiden wonder if it wasn't varre that did it but instead Ranni or Selivus under her command. as she does have it out against the two fingers and I think perhaps she took your maiden so Melina could be your maiden. the two seem to work together to an extent
I know this is a long shot but was just a interesting thought but if you believe our soul comes from the erdtree where radagon can be found then perhaps the reason we are so different may be because we might have been sent to the chapel by radagon because I’m pretty sure at one point he also tried to repair the elden ring therefore maybe he realised only a tarnished could do that so he sent his soul to the chapel to a tarnished body and if this is true it might explain why he would attack you at the tree because his soul is no longer in that body therefore it is just marika who does not want the golden order to be restored and therefore tries to murder you
I don't think that our Tarnished is special, in that we can see the guidance of grace at all, but becouse we can still see it. As you explained a bit later in the video, all the tarnished seem to go steps coming to the lands between, all the NPCs included. But as we can see, none of the demigods are dead yet, so all the NPCs failed. So after time failing again and again at theses insurmountable odds, the tarnished lost hope, and thus slowly their guidance of grace dwindlet away, and they start to look for other paths to pursue in the lands between. We are unique in the way, that we are actually succesful, and continue towards the Elden Ring
Great video, i was asking myself a lot about the maidens in the Lands Between. Like why we don't see maidens with their Tarnished or where they are? i mean Melina is just a spirit acting like a finger maiden giving us power by using our runes, yet she is not actually and physically a maiden like Vyke's one. Where is Gideon's maiden? Can a Tarnished be in the roundtable without a maiden? how? Are they all dead because of the Bloody fingers/ Varre? We only see two dead maidens and Therolina puppet that we see in the Radahn festival (im not counting Anastasia as she is a bloody finger dressed like a maiden to atract and kill other Tarnished).
If tarnished can canonically respawn why doesn't Gideon, or Godfrey comeback like we do? Aren't they tarnished like the main character and how come none of the bosses say anything about it the 10th time you try to kill them?
My assumption is you come by boat to the islands next to stormviel from wherever ur class is from for example a vagabond wonders back to the lands between after seeing grace again but you are captured by Godricks men and deemed unworthy to be grafted and either the scion killed you and your maiden or varre killed the maiden
I don't believe Varre killed your maiden. After all, he pushes you to receive the Lord of Blood's Favor, which requires you to kill your Finger Maiden yourself. But since you didn't have one, you had to seek the blood of another maiden. It seems rather impractical to push you to receive something that requires one to kill their own maiden only for him to kill them himself.
Odd thought but maybe melina killed our original madien? I mean she finds us in some random cave and she seems to know is fairly well. And we know that she is not scared to use violence and can teleport. But varri can very well asli have kill out maiden. But I just dont see how he would be able to teleport.
I don’t think varre killed your maiden if you ever noticed the whole in the ceiling, I’m pretty sure the grafted scion killed your maiden, why else would there be a whole in the wall? But I like this theory tho
The hunter's dream is a real place that some hunters go to instead of dying. There's an NPC hunter that asks you something like "do you still dream?" I think it's Djura after killing you. Presumably it's connected to the Moon Presence and the night of the hunt.
Are we the only tarnished who can power up by collecting runes? Or do/ did. Say, gideon, have a maiden to help Powe him up? Or bernahl the recusant have one too? I feel like bernahl probably would have killed his maiden
Hey, I commissioned the art from alesaandro that you used in the thumbnail, it’s stated in his caption from the artstation link you left. I Would really prefer you change the thumbnail as that was specifically made and commissioned to be used for my channel. I talked to Alessandro and he didnt provide permission either.
Great video but I still can’t find anything which really explains why our tarnished seeks the Elden Ring in the first place which really bothers me. Is our tarnished forced to because of the grace? Is the Elden Ring being broken hurting other lands? I like the theory that we where a tarnished who died before long ago within the lands between, however our starting classes clearly disprove this by telling us that no, we are only descendants which to me really gives us no reason to care about the lands between. We aren’t hollowing or anything which motivates us in ds1, we just kind of are.
I believe it's just more simple in Elden Ring. When we were a warrior, no matter where we were from, we knew of Grace. We are essentially the last choice the Golden Order has to restore the Elden Ring since none of the Demi-Gods will do it themselves. We are restored for one purpose, to restore what gives us life in the first place. However, our journey will dictate how we choose to mend the Elden Ring. Each ending has a different process and outcome for the Golden Order. We aren't forced. But at first, it's all we know. We go "hollow" or lose our sight of grace if we choose to give up, which many players did.
"we come back to life because we're tarnished". Ehhhh... No? Almost everyone comes back to life in the lands between (except bosses) - not just we respawn, EVERYONE does. And it's not just game mechanic - you can see how people across lands between are suffering and can't die. Some even pray for a dragon to burn them (starting area). Most of people there look like they are stuck in a limbo. Is the because the destined death was sealed, so noone can die anymore?
I think it's only Tarnished that instantly revive exactly the same as they were. Melania had been sleeping for centuries after her battle for example. But presumably it doesn't take hundreds of years to respawn at a site of grace.
So you are saying that the player is revived because of the grace. But Godfrey is also a tarnished guided by grace and he is not revived. How does that fit?
But it doesnt make sense our body was already stored inside the chapel. We 'crossed the sea' to get there, so we physically came by boat to the lands between. The intro itself and Roderika aswell say that. Remember all tarnished come from outside the lands between, they are the descendants of Godfrey's warriors who got exiled long time ago.
Actually we "crossed the fog", and I think the opening cinematic makes it clear it was the fog of death we crossed. Spirit Girl did cross the seas, but she was never blessed by Grace so her Tarnished status is questionable.
@@agtjake That's because they have Irish and English accents in game. In North American English though, we say it differently. Otherwise it just sounds silly.
I have a theory that the tarnished is actually a shard of Marika (like Radagon but much less awesome in the beginning) that she created with the last bit of her strength after she was crucified. My reason for thinking this is 1). In the starting cinematic the open door/gate that the tarnished approaches (where the background voice says "cross the fog, to the Lands Between" looks strangely similar to the inner chamber of the Erd tree like you said where Marika is imprisoned. Maybe she teleported us to one of her Churches because Radagon or Elden Beast had closed the actual exit with the thorns. 2) We are a Tarnished of no renown. Literally no one has heard of us, unlike the other Tarnished with proper name and backstory, who were probably revived legitimately by the Greater Will. 3.) Only we are helped out by Melina, because she recognized us to be "special". You will notice that She never calls us "Tarnished", probably cause of this. Because we are not really a Tarnished. She who was also born inside the Erd tree by her own admission, recognize her kindred.
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Maybe I haven't seen anyone else do it, but finally... a tangible and very plausible theory/explanation to the starting area of the game. I always found it a curious choice or design, intriguing but confusing. Great video Jake!
Two things:
It is more likely that the grafted Spider killed our maiden. Three key pieces of evidence support this.
1. The door is locked from the inside
2. There is a massive hole in the Chapel cieling
3. The spider is the only enemy there
Next, how we got to the starting point of the game.
There is a portion of the coastline that has a cave entrance. This cave enterance leads directly back to the tutorial area of the game. If you look on your map, not far from the coastline is the chapel.
This would mean that our character simply washed ashore after either being defeated by the spider or falling to our deaths. This would explain the subtle water sound effects and how Melina found us.
Always made me wonder why the cave was connected to that spot.
You actually dont die in the beginning, at the chapel of anticipation. You just have your health reduced to 1. You can see this by having your stats up as you "die".
Which is funny cause if you do kill the Scion, then you do actually die to advance the game. It's just funny that losing the fight leads to not technically dying and winning the fight leads to definitely dying
@@PinkSheepification no even if you fall you don't I beat him and kept my runes in ng + each time
This appears to have been fixed recently, having started a few playthroughs recently for different builds losing to the scion now gives you a full You Died screen before going dark and playing the splash of the scion tossing you into the ocean.
I feel like since we died wherever marika banished the tarnished to, this is us walking up in our “after death” form. So a chapel/crypt like area is there only logical place to start… imo
Source being marikas dialog to Godfrey (told to us by Melina at one of the churches SOG) and the beginning cut scene showing all the main characters of the game also dead.
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“Foul tarnished in search of the Elden ring emboldened by the flame of ambition someone must extinguish thy flame let it me be
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I swore that I thought the Guidance of Grace was actually a spoof, a lie fabricated by Ranni.
To me, seeing other tarnished simply "not see" the grace basically meant that our character was a particular minority. Almost too particular a minority at that. When we get to the Elden Throne, the thorns bar our character's entry. This, to me, speaks volumes that our character was _never deigned by fate_ to sit on the Elden Throne. This is why we cannot use the Fingerslayer Blade to sever our fate, because _our character never had fate to begin with._ As Varre said, we were fated to die in obscurity.
That was until the spectral steed stopped to notice our character's pathetic body and vouched it's strength to Melina for her to essentially use our character's capabilities to achieve her own goals as well. This led me to two ideas: 1) that Melina is the reason we even "see" guidance of grace or 2) Ranni is the reason we "see" guidance of grace. It's not the actual guidance of grace itself, but a familiar illusion.
I speculated that it would be Ranni who made this illusion as the Two Fingers appear to have a moment of outright confusion by the fact that our character couldn't get into the Elden Throne. This would allow for openings (either here or in the future) where she could complete her idealized ascension as she saw fit.
Not so sure the guiding grace is an illusion specific to our character. When Godfrey approaches us after defeating Margot you can see his guiding grace pointing to our character.
ur definitely buggin, nice theory though
I‘ve watched all lore videos there are out there and i say it, this is one of the top best i‘ve seen. Your editing skills are on a new level. I really apreciate your work. Thank You Jake
I think its far more likely Melina murdered our Maiden, Varre's plan requires us to get to the Roundtable, realize the Two Fingers are frauds, and then sacrifice our own Maiden for the invite, he has nothing to gain and everything to lose by murdering her.
Melina on the other hand needs us to be Maidless so she can be our guide and knew exactly when and where our body would wash up.
They are all conniving snakes, some are just more transparent than others (Melina, Rani, Marika).
I say liberate this place from the tyranny of all factions (great will/2 fingers, 3 fingers/burning flame, other outer gods, voidborn, empeyrans, demi-gods, etc..) with a rune of perfect golden order under YOUR complete control. If all behave the same way and leave you with no choice, because inaction is not an option and some faction will decide for you, then YOU TAKE CHARGE. It's either you or them, the lore has made this perfectly clear, a void from inaction will always be filled by someone else.
This is a great retrospective to see after so many hours of playing. The level of manipulation that our Tarnished is subjected to is crazy, and I agree that Varré is johnny-on-the-spot with that. As for dead maidens, one still stumps me in terms of any backstory and that’s the burned Maiden in Shack of the Lofty in the Mountaintops. Who took her out, and for what purpose - manipulation? Juno Hoslow is the closest Tarnished to that spot (invasion target for Volcano Manor). Was she his? Was she merely caught and killed as she made her way to her destiny? Shabriri is not too far away from there, and the clothing set you get is Irina/Hyetta’s bloodied set so - more questions than answers. A whole video on the known Maidens and their stories and how they were used for various ends would be interesting, for sure.
I'm really happy to see you making more content on a regular basis you made some of my favorite lore videos
Idea for your next video, Super Mario Bros.
1) Why do we need to save the Princess?
2) Why do we start with 3 lives?
I was also thinking the same thing. The area seemed preserved for person of high importance. I also think we are Torrent’s former master I think torrent senses our spirit but our flesh was reformed simply through character creation.
Can't believe it took this long for someone to talk about Chapel of Anticipation lore. Glad Jake was the one to do it!
Honestly one thing i was always curious of was the degradation of stormveils outerwalls. To me at least the damage looked like something corrosive attacked them and Honestly it reminded me of the abyss corruption from dark souls 3
Very nice video. I actually never thought about the maiden in the beginning. That was super interesting to realize.
Idk about varre being the killer we do know he is a servant of Mohg with a medallion that also transports him to mohgwyn palace a place that’s literally covered in blood lmao
I'm with you on that.
Haven't watched yet. Let's see if I get this right.
1. Sign up to be part of Godfrey's united tribes.
2. Crusade across the lands with him to "defend the erdtree."
3. Defeat everyone and get dumped by Marika like a bag of cement.
4. Go on a trip to badlands national park and fight each other because there's not much else to do.
5. Oops you got unalived because the rune of death ain't sealed over here, silly goose.
6. Get randomly summoned back because Marika comes crawling back, but she still hasn't apologized so... maybe it's just a glitch or something.
7. Boil some yummi crustaceans. Also steal and kill everything in sight, especially if some glowy shit is pointing at it.
8. Probably die again. If you're still seeing glowy shit, you get to repeat this step!
Yeah, that's close enough :)
Roderika never once saw grace and isn’t a fighter, it seems like she hasn’t been led astray from the path of Elden Lord because she was never on that path. Spirit Tuning is probably the best way she could help anyone become Elden Lord.
That's crazy now I see why we were at the water when we met Melina with torrent at the water and I didn't know the other tarnished at the roundtable can't see grace again except us
Firelink shrine ost for the start: perfection 👌.
I'd speculated that the Tarnished do begin the game inside the Erdtree, but I didn't piece together that it's their soul that is in the Erdtree, while their body lies elsewhere. Good work
I've been looking for awnsers as to why we started there for a few weeks. perfect timing
Nice Video, never thought about those aspects myself! :)
Okay so I have a few whack theories..I know I might be wrong but lol I love theorycrafting :) take everything with a grain of salt :
1. After this video, it got me thinking.. we could be either a shard of Marika, or Ragadon himself. Weird when I say this, but maybe this is because before revival we were in the inner most area of erdtree, same as the final bossfight arena where no one else was allowed to enter as it was protected by the vines of the erdtree. The Ragadon we fight in the final battle is one 'powered' or controlled by Elden beast (an empty shell), because Marika+Ragadon combo was killed by the Greater Will and the body was preserved for convenience. Same reason why Melina can see us, and why Marika has high hopes for us, and why we as a tarnished can actually kill DemiGods which should not be possible by any normal standards.
Another thing unrelated to this video is that I believe Ragadon is a mimic tear of Marika, who was left alone for too long to be able to grow and build a family of his own, which is why Marika brought him back as a 'husband'. Marika must have initially created him from her own self as a form to remove the bindings of the Golden Order. Ragadon having red hair has something to do with the entire Giants vs Marika fight and the 'curse' we hear about, it is also possible that she herself was affected in that fight and in order to remove that curse she split a part of herself into a mimic tear which was Ragadon, hence him also 'hating' his red hair(this is whack I know but I love theories). This also explains why Ranni was an Empyrean, meaning she was born as the daughter of a true God, Ragadon. The birth of the 3R's solidified the presence of Ragadon not just as a spirit/power, but his own entity with a soul, which is why we see Renala with the thing she is clutching given by Ragadon as a last resort before leaving her in case of his own death in the future. The influence of Ragadon must have grown enough for Marika to be afraid of losing control, and also for preventing Ragadon having his own plans and family affair away from the Golden Order. I can only think of Ragadon as one of the biggest pawns used by everyone, and now finally having a will of his own starting from almost nothing and re-learning everything only to destroy his own body and finally becoming free of the Golden Order in earnest. This also is kind of a full circle with the Giants arc, defeating them and burning the tree that Marika was troubled with.
One thing that also makes my mind itch is the initial cut scene with Godwyn. His eye was shown when he died. Now look at Melina's right eye. It looks like a cross of two fingers with half mark of death. Which can also explain the theory of why Ranni's soul lived, while Godwyn's soul perished. The two different eyes of Melina shows her being Ranni's other half of the death rune symbol. This can also mean that either Melina's body was used and eye was transplanted for Godwyn to take revenge, since he might now want anyone to become the lord except for his own family (I know this is crazy). Or this could mean Melina has/had relations with the dusk eyed queen And Godwyn. The only reason she ever deviates from her path is when we become the Lord of Chaos, and that is not the ending Melina wants out of us as there is no true Lord of the Lands Between in this ending. I think Melina ties with all three - Ranni as the other half of Death (Godwyn's eye+rune power activation), Dusk eyed queen and three fingers (Chaos).
Do feel free to correct me but man the eye cut scene really made me wonder why it was shown. Love the video u made. Cheers!
2:00 Iiirc, after our death against the Scion, we can hear them throw us into the water below.
I heard that somewhere too and tested it myself, but couldn't get audio of this after several tries
1:43 No I'm not, she's just part of a different franchise, you wouldn't know her.
I was waiting for someone to finally talk about the chapel of anticipation. From the very first time I played I wondered why the hell we even started there
Respect the guts cosplay
I never realized that varre killed our maiden. he’s dying my next play through lmao
I was kind of hoping for you to sneak in the PAtches dialogue at the Volcano manor where he mocks "lost grace" when talking about Tarnished not able to see.
There's a lot of stuff I would have liked changed in the chapel gameplay wise. Like I think it would have been fun if you had to find your weapons like in ds1. It's small, but it would have been a fun change imo
We are maidenless.....but so is EVERY other tarnished aswell. the only one who had a maiden was Vike, but he killed his maiden.
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@@RickyTikkiPaddy well, maybe one day I can. I’m not necessarily well equipped for it right now but I suppose you have to start somewhere.
Bought to lay down for a snooze then the legend returns smh
i love how this game is 9 months old and theres still new lore videos to make about it
i think varre knew you were gonna be on the beach and threw your body in the graveyard. then when you came out he was like oh wow you came back but oh no i killed yo maiden jeez what shall you do
nice vid. this kinda lore content is my favorite to watch while playing! imma peep a few more immediately
You have badass Elden Ring videos brother. I appreciate your work. Stay safe and keep it up.
This is a new pronunciation of dynasty that I didn't know existed.
So I'm fairly certain that death root is not the same thing as the death blight thorns, and what afflicts Rogier is the death blight. If you look at the death root item it is a bulb like "plant" (like an onion or something). And D talks about weeding out the death root in places where it is overgrown. At these places we can find larger versions of this bulb-like death root. But no where at any of these places do we find the thorns.
The death thorns are only found at places associated with the death blight and Godwin. And at none of those locations do we find death root. It seems that while they are both related to the concept of death they are two distinct things.
I'm still kinda confused, hope you guys can help me out: So, the tarnished were banned to wage war in a land afar where they will live and die recieving the grace back after their death. Then our tarnished possibly died again on the way or as soon as we arrive at the lands between, then by the guidance of grace a maiden finds us and take care of us until we wake up. Is that it?
Another thing i've been thinking of is the teleportation tha occurs throughout the game (there's a video pointing that teleportation is a thing in elden ring). Maybe our maiden found us, took refuge in the chapel with us to wait our awakening, then is hunted down by the scion.
Wait, so Varre has killed the maiden in the chapel so he could roast us about our maidenless status? Oh god that's beyond evil 😢
This made it really hard to full immerse myself in the role play element of this game I couldn’t make up a story on how my tarnished knight returned to the lands between … how did we get to the church and why ? Did we die here or did our ship on the sea coming back after seeing grace land here ?
My character is called scrublord wolf
Why scrublord?
Because he was the very last tarnished to be revived and come back to the lands between only cuz he sucked that bad the greater will had lack of options so the scrublord is the last tarnished that's why he was given to guidance of grace
if you read the finger maiden puppet
it sounds awefully a lot like it is being implied that it was our maiden
wonder if it wasn't varre that did it but instead Ranni or Selivus under her command. as she does have it out against the two fingers
and I think perhaps she took your maiden so Melina could be your maiden. the two seem to work together to an extent
I know this is a long shot but was just a interesting thought but if you believe our soul comes from the erdtree where radagon can be found then perhaps the reason we are so different may be because we might have been sent to the chapel by radagon because I’m pretty sure at one point he also tried to repair the elden ring therefore maybe he realised only a tarnished could do that so he sent his soul to the chapel to a tarnished body and if this is true it might explain why he would attack you at the tree because his soul is no longer in that body therefore it is just marika who does not want the golden order to be restored and therefore tries to murder you
I chose the flame of frenzy ending because everybody was trying to tell the tarnished what to do. Well, now you’re all dead 💀
Instant fan. Great job with video. Vaatividya has competition
Your our new more frequent and inclusive vaatti lmao, very nice that we can fallow your journey
I don't think that our Tarnished is special, in that we can see the guidance of grace at all, but becouse we can still see it. As you explained a bit later in the video, all the tarnished seem to go steps coming to the lands between, all the NPCs included. But as we can see, none of the demigods are dead yet, so all the NPCs failed. So after time failing again and again at theses insurmountable odds, the tarnished lost hope, and thus slowly their guidance of grace dwindlet away, and they start to look for other paths to pursue in the lands between. We are unique in the way, that we are actually succesful, and continue towards the Elden Ring
Killing demi gods and a god also becoming Elden lord isn’t special got it
I don’t get why Radagon/Elden beast fights us when they ultimately want us to mend the Elden ring
Great video, i was asking myself a lot about the maidens in the Lands Between. Like why we don't see maidens with their Tarnished or where they are? i mean Melina is just a spirit acting like a finger maiden giving us power by using our runes, yet she is not actually and physically a maiden like Vyke's one. Where is Gideon's maiden? Can a Tarnished be in the roundtable without a maiden? how? Are they all dead because of the Bloody fingers/ Varre? We only see two dead maidens and Therolina puppet that we see in the Radahn festival (im not counting Anastasia as she is a bloody finger dressed like a maiden to atract and kill other Tarnished).
That’s cool…. Anyway, back to it
If tarnished can canonically respawn why doesn't Gideon, or Godfrey comeback like we do? Aren't they tarnished like the main character and how come none of the bosses say anything about it the 10th time you try to kill them?
Bc tarnished never actually died and killed everyone first try
My assumption is you come by boat to the islands next to stormviel from wherever ur class is from for example a vagabond wonders back to the lands between after seeing grace again but you are captured by Godricks men and deemed unworthy to be grafted and either the scion killed you and your maiden or varre killed the maiden
God… there’s no person in TH-cam who can do it better than you ✨ love your channel
I don't believe Varre killed your maiden. After all, he pushes you to receive the Lord of Blood's Favor, which requires you to kill your Finger Maiden yourself. But since you didn't have one, you had to seek the blood of another maiden. It seems rather impractical to push you to receive something that requires one to kill their own maiden only for him to kill them himself.
Another Major villain is ranni
How long until we get an emote to get sturdy?
Godrick the garfted
BEAR WITNESS
Good one here
I've been anticipating this video
Odd thought but maybe melina killed our original madien? I mean she finds us in some random cave and she seems to know is fairly well. And we know that she is not scared to use violence and can teleport. But varri can very well asli have kill out maiden.
But I just dont see how he would be able to teleport.
Crazy theory, what if we are Marika
Great video. May i ask what armour are you wearing in these shots?
4:57 are there anyone knows what's song is that? Sounds so majestic would love to know this 😄
Great video!!! What armor set or pieces is that? Looks awesome
I don’t think varre killed your maiden if you ever noticed the whole in the ceiling, I’m pretty sure the grafted scion killed your maiden, why else would there be a whole in the wall? But I like this theory tho
AMAZING!
What’s the lore behind the player respawn in Bloodborne? Does it have something to do with the nightmare?
Its all a nightmare.
You will always come back because all of it wasn't real. Its just a dream.
The hunter's dream is a real place that some hunters go to instead of dying. There's an NPC hunter that asks you something like "do you still dream?" I think it's Djura after killing you. Presumably it's connected to the Moon Presence and the night of the hunt.
I always wonder why all tarnished are human. It's never explained
The tarnished were a warrior tribe faction led by godfrey
@@Someone-lg6di not initially though right? He joined the warrior tribe after Marika kicked him out. so it's not by blood
If we respawn because of grace, why can we respawn after completing the game? Why does grace still need us?
What does it mean if I never met Rani nor did I even get to fight the scion, I got blank screen and hear the scion scream in my first play through.
always watch ur vids and always drop a like! your channel should be much bigger the content is awesome!
Aren’t you working on a video about Rennala? How’s that going?
Fantastic video ! What are the musics you use in this one ? They sound incredible and somewhat soothing.
Demon's Souls OST :)
really random but what gear does the tarnished wear? it looks sick
i don't think it was Varré ( it still could be ) i think it might have been Melina
Are we the only tarnished who can power up by collecting runes? Or do/ did. Say, gideon, have a maiden to help Powe him up? Or bernahl the recusant have one too? I feel like bernahl probably would have killed his maiden
What's the name of the music at the end?
So Tarnisheds the best ending is age of the star
Hey, I commissioned the art from alesaandro that you used in the thumbnail, it’s stated in his caption from the artstation link you left. I Would really prefer you change the thumbnail as that was specifically made and commissioned to be used for my channel. I talked to Alessandro and he didnt provide permission either.
Great video but I still can’t find anything which really explains why our tarnished seeks the Elden Ring in the first place which really bothers me. Is our tarnished forced to because of the grace? Is the Elden Ring being broken hurting other lands? I like the theory that we where a tarnished who died before long ago within the lands between, however our starting classes clearly disprove this by telling us that no, we are only descendants which to me really gives us no reason to care about the lands between. We aren’t hollowing or anything which motivates us in ds1, we just kind of are.
I believe it's just more simple in Elden Ring. When we were a warrior, no matter where we were from, we knew of Grace. We are essentially the last choice the Golden Order has to restore the Elden Ring since none of the Demi-Gods will do it themselves. We are restored for one purpose, to restore what gives us life in the first place. However, our journey will dictate how we choose to mend the Elden Ring. Each ending has a different process and outcome for the Golden Order.
We aren't forced. But at first, it's all we know. We go "hollow" or lose our sight of grace if we choose to give up, which many players did.
Wouldn't you want to be king of the world if you were the only one who could?
"we come back to life because we're tarnished". Ehhhh... No? Almost everyone comes back to life in the lands between (except bosses) - not just we respawn, EVERYONE does. And it's not just game mechanic - you can see how people across lands between are suffering and can't die. Some even pray for a dragon to burn them (starting area). Most of people there look like they are stuck in a limbo. Is the because the destined death was sealed, so noone can die anymore?
I think it's only Tarnished that instantly revive exactly the same as they were.
Melania had been sleeping for centuries after her battle for example. But presumably it doesn't take hundreds of years to respawn at a site of grace.
You never know might be different people
Yo, what armor set is that??? It’s sick
Night's Cavalry
@@agtjake what’s the head gear?
armor?
Damn!!! Good one! 🥳💅🏼
So you are saying that the player is revived because of the grace. But Godfrey is also a tarnished guided by grace and he is not revived. How does that fit?
Perhaps by becoming Hoarah Loux he lost his Grace.
Actually Godfrey lost his grace before we became
@@louieplays9229 but we see his grace both in the intro cutscene and in the cutscene before the bossfight against him
@@alexjedermann2911 yeah but I’m pretty sure the reason why mohg and morgott were omens is because he lost his grace
Is it me or did you kill Vare after seeing this video
But it doesnt make sense our body was already stored inside the chapel.
We 'crossed the sea' to get there, so we physically came by boat to the lands between.
The intro itself and Roderika aswell say that. Remember all tarnished come from outside the lands between, they are the descendants of Godfrey's warriors who got exiled long time ago.
Actually we "crossed the fog", and I think the opening cinematic makes it clear it was the fog of death we crossed.
Spirit Girl did cross the seas, but she was never blessed by Grace so her Tarnished status is questionable.
"DEEnasty" Lmfao
Ever notice they say it like that in game?
What’s even the point of this comments
@@agtjake That's because they have Irish and English accents in game. In North American English though, we say it differently. Otherwise it just sounds silly.
No way I’m this early 💀
I have a theory that the tarnished is actually a shard of Marika (like Radagon but much less awesome in the beginning) that she created with the last bit of her strength after she was crucified. My reason for thinking this is 1). In the starting cinematic the open door/gate that the tarnished approaches (where the background voice says "cross the fog, to the Lands Between" looks strangely similar to the inner chamber of the Erd tree like you said where Marika is imprisoned. Maybe she teleported us to one of her Churches because Radagon or Elden Beast had closed the actual exit with the thorns. 2) We are a Tarnished of no renown. Literally no one has heard of us, unlike the other Tarnished with proper name and backstory, who were probably revived legitimately by the Greater Will. 3.) Only we are helped out by Melina, because she recognized us to be "special". You will notice that She never calls us "Tarnished", probably cause of this. Because we are not really a Tarnished. She who was also born inside the Erd tree by her own admission, recognize her kindred.
Bro what armor are you wearing in the video