You need to check your facts! I do not believe that dirty Diana was written about Diana Ross. I really don't think he would have been that rude with everyone knowing that he had feelings for her. But I guess it gives you something to talk about.
@@denisebrashears1552 Dirty Diana was 4 Diana Ross. Facts all fit. Diana supposedly even sang it as her opening act / and said Her bad boy wrote it for Her..
@@brizzy4932 He looks just like nearly ALL his siblings they"d ALL have to come from her!! How ridiculous! And Diana was a 13 yr old girl across the world when he was born!! LMBAO!!
in MJ's recorded phone call , someone asked him "How long did it take you to get over Diana?" and he said _"Years . . . A hell long of a time."_ I feel so bad for Mike 😩
I believe Michael was enamored with Diana. There is not ENOUGH empathy for Michael when it comes to what he and many child stars are exposed to. Diana is a pioneering legend yet she can be a cold opportunist. Michael was too sensitive for her. I hope he is at peace now. 😔🙏🏾🕊️❤️
My mom has been saying Diana groomed Michael for years. As I grew older, it was disturbing to find out she met him around 9 and he even lived with her. He was in love her. He should have never been sent to live with her. Calling her both mother and girlfriend is SICK!
She didn't groom him. He got older and she fell into his administration for her by the time he was in his early 20s. She began to feel attracted to him by the time Off The Wall was coming out
@@AlkalineInsides it's grooming. They met when he was 9. A child. And after living with her he became "obsessed" with her and later started referring to her as he gf/mom. It's inappropriate and disgusting administration or not.
@@sharitad.3688 he was obsessed with her before he even lived with her. MJ and his brothers lived with her because Berry Gordy asked her if she'd take them in. She said yes. MJ adored her the most- he had a crush on her and she treated him like a sister/mother. He got older (21) and she started to see him differently. It's easy to vilify her due to her other unsavory behaviors in her younger years, but "grooming" is such a stretch of a definition. It's kind of like people calling MJ a pedophile because he had such a beautiful genuine love for children. I guess he was grooming those kids too?
@@AlkalineInsides I agree with your entire comment.. However It's just that for me,a grown woman, and if a young man been around me since a kid.. I just wouldn't desire him even though he's grown into a man.. He's like family to me..
That's why Diana Ross would not dare show up for Michael's funeral because of the embarassment in how she treated Michael! She abused his love that he had for her and was very selfcentered!
I've known about Michael & Diana's relationship, she was caught on video saying, "me and my man" and you could tell she was so proud to be with him. Michael on the other hand was shy about the relationship and she wanted people to see him like she saw him. He was definitely "the man" in her eye. I never believed any of the stories about him and kids; just another smear campaign by the 1% people at the top wanting to control certain people. Michael was even heard as saying "there are very powerful people" I knew what he was talking about. Just take a look at the entertainment industry and you can guess by those with the most money and fame are connected and have sold their souls to the devil. Michael Jackson loved children but not in a negative way. I think he was always just a big kid at heart.
The abused often times become a perpetrator. I honestly don't blame MJ. He was such a beautiful person and soul- but i won't make excuses for a grown man either. Regardless, he was toyed with and used by Ms. Ross, definitely, and so many other adults. MJ grew up to be so handsome, with no judgment here, but she should've controlled herself. But I feel he had no normal outlet and did things darkly as well. He should've been protected like all children and child entertainers. But he tried his best. That's why we can't fight battles alone. We need Jesus. May he rest in peace 🙏
Wow! So you’re one of those people? Who believe what they want to believe. Do some research real research, and you will be very enlightened. There was no Cinderella story here. And why would you want them to be a couple? She was like a mother to him he was nine when she met him. Do you really think it’s OK that later on she would be with him sexually? Everyone could see why he would love being in love with her, but that’s strange as in his book is autobiography. He says she was like a mother sister lover to him. That’s not healthy. And lastly, please understand pedophiles are in many vocations leading very functional lives. It is very likely he he did do things with YoungBoy, but he never hurt them. How many times did he say that I could never hurt a child and he probably didn’t but that doesn’t mean he didn’t have sexual things with them. You don’t sleep in a twin bed as a man with a young boy, and not have sex come on. His father used to take him out of bed somewhere at all hours of the night when they were on tour and when he got back, he would cry for days. This is according to his brother Germaine in his book. I’m sorry to tell you all this, but it’s not healthy for you to believe in fantasies.
I feel like the two people who did the most emotional/psychological damage to Michael Jackson were Joe Jackson and Diana Ross. And both were Narcissists. It set the empathic Michael up to be exploited by Narcissists all his life.
Well on MJ'S private tape recordings 2000, MJ actually says "it took me a long time to get over her, a hell of a long time." He also says something like "the relationship between her & him was mainly all in his mind"
I feel bad for Michael. You can be kind, beautiful, and talented and ppl will still treat you like trash. And I can't imagine knowing a child at nine and then sleeping with them as an adult. Gross.
Mike got robbed and used. THE INDUSTRY EVENTUALLY GETS THEM ALL. DIRTY DIANA, CLIVE, RECORD COMPANIES, BRITISH, AMERICAN GOVT. ..ITS ALL ABOUT DEBT AND DEBTORS.
Poor Michael. What a messed up situation. Like imagine being groomed from a young age by someone you really look up to, then you hit puberty and start having feelings for this person who then ends up taking advantage of this, manipulates you into believing you’re ✨the one✨for like half your adulthood only to end up marrying and having a family with someone else. That must’ve crushed him 😢 I wouldn’t even call it obsession but a sort of trauma. He could hardly live without Diana because that’s all he’d known
Reportedly, Michael was also groomed by a couple of members in the Shiites, and through the hands of his own father being passed around through “illuminati type“ members when he was very young, I wonder if Diana Ross knew anything about that, and anyway offered to protect him from thesepedophiles. Perhaps Michael felt that he was safest. He was with Diana Ross.
@User-gi9te yes she did. You diana stans are weird. She knew him as a child. Watched him grow up and led him on in his teens. That's predatory. That was not a healthy relationship
@@imnottheone3911 No, she didn’t lead him on in his teens; he was an adult when she led him on. Also, I’m not a Diana Stan and I don’t even like her for what she did to Michael bevause he was heartbroken. But making false allegations is cruel.
I genuinely was sad watching all the documentaries and seeing his mom talk about it. The media made his mom sound like a hater and bitter but she was just keeping real 😭
"Dirty Diana", "Remember the Time" , "I just can't stop Loving you" and "Who is it" I heard that all this songs MJ wrote for Diana , I don't know if we should thank Diana for song inspiration or not 💀 all this songs are banger and hits 😣
Thank you for mentioning these songs, I never knew any of this, my mouth was open for the entire video. I wish a Man loved me so much he wrote songs about me but I wouldn't break his heart.
Wayyyy more than that. Im so blue Dangerous Dont walk away I cant let her get away Super fly Sis Even Blue gangster- where he blows her cover n says: Said you'd be my wife! - Nothin but big LIES!! Now I can never fall in love _ ( meaning w/ s'one else ) He was hopelessly in love w/ her. That's why his mom said he was TOO in love with her n it was unhealthy...
I love her music, but Ms. Ross was very very toxic. She did MJ wrong and it saddens me because he really and truly loved her to the point of obsession. His songs “Who Is It”, “Heartbreaker”, “Give In To Me”, and many more, are said to also be about her. She caused that man a lot of pain.
And she reaped her seeds when her husband Arne “allegedly” dumped her for his younger, pregnant girlfriend. That man sent her into spells of depression and alcoholism till the day he died, and it doesn’t seem like she’s had a significant relationship since.
Diana Ross is a "legendary" narcissist? Ambitious, yes. Narcissist, I think, is not even in the ballpark. Where do people get their information from? It is far more likely that she does not "bond" with others. She doesn't demonstrate the traits of a narcissist, which is something people with no psychological knowledge throw around whenever they want to say something damning about someone. People are jumping to absurd conclusions, based on hearsay (the old "Well, I heard that..." or some other nonsense). We used to respect facts. Now we just voice an opinion and don't care if it is factual or not. Such as "the election was stolen." and now "Diana Ross groomed Michael Jackson." Nuts. Michael Jackson's father would never let anyone else have any control over his kids. And if you're old enough, you know this from back in the '70s, when the Jacksons left Motown. P.S. I am no fan of Diana Ross. I liked her when she was with the Supremes, but as soon as it turned into DR & The Supremes, I was gone. That said, if people are going to bash someone, get your facts straight and leave the innuendo/rumors out of it.
I spoke on this before about women taking advantage of children and it being glorified especially within our community. As if it doesn’t cause psychological damage.
Thank you! Even now, these female entertainers are perverts and no different from the men. Thats why Lizzy could comfortably be around children at a ball game with her whole prune shaped ass out.
Have you done Janet Jackson? I really like her transition from tomboy to WOMAN but keeping both elements of masculine and feminine balanced throughout her career/life. Latoya Jackson would also be an interesting breakdown. She was highly sought out by famous men but was just as shy as Michael lol
Glad you mentioned how she had the perfect balance of tomboy and woman . One article I read described her song “ if “ as the perfect balance of masculine and feminine
Michael also had a huge poster of Diana in his bathroom. And in one interview with Oprah (after the divorce) Lisa Marie Presley said she has no advantage to Diana when it comes to Michael's attention. And also Tatum O'Neil in an interview, their relationship didn't last because Michael Jackson was in love with Diana Ross.
@@SpiceyKy MJ married Elvis Pressley's daughter Maria. So what was that all about. Yeah, Dianna was a project cock blocking where, very manipulative, like your typical trap ho.
Awesome video! As a kid, my Mom always told me MJ was in love with Diana, but I never knew to this extent. Dirty Diana... She did MJ terribly wrong, poor kid. Broke his heart too, wow. I'm a new subscriber and I'm loving these videos. Keep'em coming! Great Work!!!!!!
I do as well. Born a year apart from Michael so he had been my favourite person even beyond his tragic passing. Miss him but listen and watch him daily.
@@happydrunkmeansober Faaaacts... people were always so mean about Diana just because Berry appointed her to lead the group. She went with it and took it serious and did a fantastic job. She was a hard worker. And knew she had a different art to offer. It's those eyes for me and that swag
@@happydrunkmeansober and it's so annoying. Not many know; toward the end of The Supremes...Diana personally asked Mary "what do you want to do after this?"...and Mary's response was "I don't know...maybe to get Married" lol. I mean.. Diana had a complete vision for HERSELF. NOTHING wrong with that. She was YOUNG during a PIONEERING era.. from the "HOOD"... it IS a rags to riches and ambitious story.
I remember Michael Jackson and Diana Ross; yet thought he had a "crush" on her. I didn't know that he lived with her or proposed to her! Diana Ross and the Supremes were one of my Dad's favorite groups. Sometimes I cannot bear to listen to her songs because they make me feel melancholy. When my dad was in hospice, he and I listened to "Someday we'll be together" and he just nodded his head and smiled. My dad passed in 2006 and I still have difficulty listening to Diana Ross. Great Video! Enjoy your commentary!
Actually, Michael and his brothers never lived with Diana. Michael sort of mentions as such in a set of tapes, and Jermaine Jackson, his brother, said the same in his book. This as well as the idea of her discovering them were things just for show.
I always felt sad for MJ. He endured so much physical mental and emotional abuse from his father hile his mother stood by and did nothing. She was also abused as well. Then as an adult it continued , yet his talents and resilience took him to the top and there will never be anyone that can even compare to him. He is thhe King. ❤😢
Much of what you said is very true. I think he wanted to be resilient, and he tried to get past his problems. But very obviously he wasn't resilient enough. She could have said F it all, I am going to marry him . I love him, I don't care what people think! Maybe if they had, he would still be alive. At the same time everyone looked at her as a predator, and maybe she was. I think hooking up so fast with so many other men, would have been extremely hurtful.
@@aarondigby5054 That can be said of about every so-called beauty. Nope, sorry--that black woman was gorgeous! And not everyone likes thick big booty women my man! In many cultures, large eyes are a very coveted trait, and some just don't know what to do with large eyes--just as many believe Bette Davis to be beautiful as believe her to be plain.
He was becoming powerful and she saw it (Off The Wall/ Wiz era) It becomes a turn on after a while. Especially once he was of proper legal age. He was also obsessed with her...and perhaps she felt she could finally give him what he wanted. Then it got complicated, because she didn't care too much for how shy he was off stage.
I’ve been thinking this for a long time. She had him on his show when he was like 8 or 9, and doing a skit with him where she pretend she’s his wife. That little boy was smitten from the start. Then he gets older and she calls him sexy, gets real flirty……… then marries someone else. She made him fall for her since he was a child, groomed him into staying in love as an adult, breaks his heart after leading him on for most of his young life and then he has to just get over that? Sheesh. Man. Heart breaking. I don’t hate Diana Ross, I wish her a good rest in peace, and I have immense respect for her legacy especially since she’s part of my favorite singer’s favorite band (Amy Winehouse loved the supremes). But we gotta admit that was dirty. Dirty Diana
Yeah,I saw that skit.Although Michael is his acting was toppie ,it was weird.Diana always knew that he was madly in love with her ,but she on the other hand wasn't.I think she found him very attractive and sexy when he got older.She began flirting(Diana always was very flirty with men)with him and giving all the wrong signs.Nah miss Ross!👎
i was literally in the middle of typing to speak on how much he looked like her after he began getting plastic surgery, when you mentioned it yourself in the video.
I am not a Diana Ross fan at all, because she has been very shady, and I've never thought she was that good of a singer. But I will say that there are a couple of songs by her that I like (missing you is a favorite), she definitely is a fashion icon, and her movies were actually pretty good. But it just seems like she had a lot of drama with a lot of people. She disrespected her fellow ladies in the supremes, she disrespected other artists including Patti labelle, she had the baby with Berry Gordy while he was married-and lied about it until that child was a preteen, and she should have never played the role of Dorothy in The Wiz; that should have been Stephanie Mills all day long (who, by the way, kissing Diana's ass under a table any day). The part that bothers me the most is she has never apologized about any of the stuff she has done, or at least not publicly. Mary Wilson and Florence Ballard both are gone now, and Diana never made peace with those women. Diana Ross has her legacy for what it is, because yes she is talented and she did make her mark. But she ain't my cup of tea personally
THANK YOU, SHE'S PURE-T TRASH, she was a disgusting mean girl, who would do any & everything to tear down & compromise other female artists like Gladys Knight, Mary Reeves, Mary Wilson & Florence Ballard. She's a shark & that's why the fates made it so that the very thing happened to her that she didn't want to & that was, growing old alone & that's precisely what happened to her!!!!!!!
She is the purest form of "Blind Ambition" I've ever seen. When I read "Call Her Miss Ross" several years ago, it shed light on why Mary Wilson had so much animosity towards her, along with so many other Motown stars. Regardless of her controversial rise to the top, no one can deny her dominance and sheer work ethic. The dynamic between her and MJ was always a little strange but no one ever spoke of it because it was spun as a big sister/little brother relationship. To hear all this now as a GenX is really sad.
That book was discredited by everyone who knew her!! Randy Tamborelli has been declared one of the biggest/ most vicious/ lying/ unmitigated Gossips in hollywood!! No one in their right mind would believe what he says! He ✍ whatever U PAY HIM TO SAY!- Are u kidding? He's the Enquirer of the Literary Sect. I can't believe u quoted that gossip rag as if it had ANY credibility!! BTW, he was sued for that book- and LOST!!
Apparently that is what it takes to get to the top. You don't get to the top by being nice. Remember she came from nothing...Her family was kind of poor. She couldnt write songs or music like Madonna and Taylor Swift can
@@erossinema8797 She COULD have written and DID write a few songs. And Ev'thg Tamborello said in that 📖 is false. ALL of his 📚 are full of lies. Even The Jackson's said that...
@@taylorsara253 , If it was lies, Randy must be one talented writer obsessed with black entertainers. I couldn't put "Call Her Miss Ross" down until I finished reading it.
During the supremes, it was the glamour and elegance but I agree it’s just that. To appeal and crossover because of greedy berry. A few hits after but definitely not a singer
I love her music and public persona, but my grandmother was a hotel clearing in the 70s and she said Ms. Ross was very mean and nasty to her. This broke my heart. 💔 It's weird because I love how she seems on TV.
Diana has admit she's been testy and rude and that she's worked on getting better. She's human. On other accounts...many have also had great experiences with Diana Ross. Unfortunately your grandmother didn't. Sorry to hear.
@@AlkalineInsides I met Diana a few years ago and she was sweet and omg an undeniable presence that I’ve never experienced before. I bet she’s grown a lot since the 80 & 90’s
I loved Diana Ross in "Mahogany" and "Lady Sings the Blues", but I have never really liked her "persona". She photographs beautifully as a model and is definitely talented, but you confirmed my aversion to her because she clearly is not a very nice person. To be so unfaithful and hurtful to people throughout her life is not a good character trait. She was mean to the Supremes, she played with Michael Jackson and she backstabbed Cher - yeah, that is not a good person. And for what? She was already super wealthy and well-known when she met Michael Jackson. I wish her no harm, but I have never really liked her and now I know why. I could see it in her face...something I could not quite put my finger on. This is an excellent video. Great job at bringing out the truth!
When I was young, I heard that Michael was obsessed with Diana Ross and wanted to marry her, but I heard she stayed away from him because of his obsession with her. I never knew the two actually had a relationship and was engaged. Wow!
Yes they were. He planned a big wedding in 🇨🇭 Switzerland. That was his dream But his mom told Di off and ran her away. MJ was always in love with her n never gave up... Sadly
At least from this now we know MJ was not gay and actually had sex with Diana.That should shut off the rumours that have been peddled during his life that he was gay and a weirdo who had a thing for small boys
She lost an entire nation of supporters when she came to Jamaica for our Jazz & Blues Festival in the mid 2000s and refused to be shown on screen for patrons with "general" tickets to see her perform live. One audience member went as far as to say "she is ugly anyway". Apparently it was her vanity and insecurity of her appearance at the time.
@@AlkalineInsides I never casted a stone, I just simply stated the truth. As I did in my original comment. You tried it by bringing me in it. So you got the same energy that you came at me with.
Omg! Things are starting to make sense now. MJ is a great singer/ song writer and there was an interview talking about how mj sang love/ break up songs with the passion of a 40 year old but coming from an 8 year old boy. Like how is he able to convey those emotions at such a young age? Idk just a thought.
He was good at mimicking the stars back then, like Jackie Wilson and all the people that were back then. You have to remember a lot of those people. Were like huge To A boy who lived at home didn't have anything. He wanted to be a singer. So he copied them. Their look their way. He said he used to watch their feet.He would talk about this over the years.
I never knew all this happened btwn D & M. My heart breaks for the children that grow up in the entertainment industry. Theyre used and abused like nothing else.
Sounds like DR is a narcissist who looked far and wide for supply, love bombed and discarded her relationships, returning to use them when it served her. She’s so iconic and glamorous because that’s what was most important to her. As she aged and became less relevant, she fell into substance abuse. Clearly she couldn’t love anyone but her own ambitions. But…..she’ll always have Mahogany.
I see her mirrored in JLo, even Madonna to an extent. Being relevant & still getting attention is the most important to them. Which is why they’ll never stop working, they need the limelight like oxygen. Miss Ross is performing again.
When one of the members died, you’d think Diana would’ve helped with the funeral. O girl didn’t even have a tomb stone that’s how poor she was living in the projects. Shame on Diana. SMH
@@sexythicknj That's a damn lie! She not only paid for Flo's whole funeral, but she gave her daughters money and paid off Mary's house!! WTF! Yall just make shyt up about ppl! Its ridiculous...
@@sexythicknj you don't even know what you're talking about. She set up an entire trust frund for flos kids. She let Mary borrow money not once but twice. And even helped out Cindy. Flo had her own demons she was dealing with. They weren't angels either. Idk why people think Diana supposed to be responsible for everyone else life. In the late 70's she barely even had any money. You literally had to go to Motown to ask for it. She was set up on a bad deal. But because she was a Motown darling..of course she was granted a little more access. You need to do your research
Diana Ross is a living legend and has inspired some of the greatest talents like Janet Jackson, but she did have her mean girl tendencies. Not her specifically but the way Florence Ballard from the Supremes was treated and how she benefited from that (she and Berry Gordy dated and ended up having a child). Also, how Stephanie Mills was suppose to be in the film adaption of the Wiz but she persistent on getting the role even though producers and filmmakers thought she was too old to play Dorothy. Still a fashion and pop music icon nonetheless.
I’m have to say No! That Diana Ross inspired Janet Jackson!! When it comes to Michael & Janet Jackson’s, I can tell who inspired Janet!! Janet had respect for Diana Ross.. but, that wasn’t the person she looked up to. Dorothy Dandridge, Eartha kit, Cab Calloway, Mae West… OMG!! I can go on & on…
I don't find her behaviour shocking, regular every day people do some of these same things and the only reason it is not known is because they aren't famous so the things they do don't necessarily come into the open unless it is truly horrific; but nothing really surprises me about what people do.
I started listening to Diana's music after watching The Wiz for the first time when I was 8 or 10. My favorite songs were Upside down and Love Hangover but after hearing Muscles because of MJ writing it for her and did background vocals, that became my number one favorite. I knew that Michael and some of his brothers lived with her, but I never knew about the other stuff. My jaw is on the floor, and I truly believe MJ never got over Diana
Diana Ross is something else! Totally focused on what she wants out of life and doesn’t let anyone or anything stand in her way. A whole lot of drama in her wake.
My mom was a huge Jackson fan, she used to talk about Diana and MJ all of the time, she was the first one I ever heard say that MJ was emulating Diana, that was over 30 years ago. My mom knew what was up, I really wonder what details people around at the time in real time had that we don't know today.
Facts 💯 God bless & rest my mom's soul, she passed 23 yrs ago from breast cancer she would be 68 now but when I was growing up she use to say the same thing lol
I didn’t realize how much I love Diana Ross until you started playing all of her singles. 😭 love you Karine! My favorite song of hers is also Missing you! It’s in a playlist I made in tribute to my grandma who passed away this year. 💜💜💜
I saw an interview not to long ago where Gene Simmons talked about how much he loved her, and she was the great love of his life. Thank you for this video. A lot of this information, I did not know
I recall when Michael was in Monaco to receive an award, it was rumored he was dating Princess Stephanie, I recall Diana sat on his lap serenading him. He blushed. My mom stated "I know he is not that hard for a woman". LOL!
She was jealous of Princess Stephanie. Just like she sat on his lap when was out with Madonna. And when she inserted herself between Michael & Elizabeth on stage. Or jumped Michael’s bones (seduced him/slept with him) when he was dating Stephanie Mills & Tatum O’Neill. She wanted to show off to these women & mark him as her territory
He was NOT dating Steph at all. She was there with her hubby!! And MJ pulled Diana into his lap and held her tight like he"d never let go.. Remember how mesmerized he was? Diana was the LOHL, Steph knew she had no chance...
She lived her life by her own terms! I remember watching her concert in Central Park when it started to rain. She asked someone to bring her a coat that was fur and then kept singing in the rain! I loved every minute of it! Thanks for the video! 😊
If you recall Michael named Diana as the person he wanted to take care of his kids, but she respectfully declined to raise the kids and said she would be there for them whenever they need her.
Michael had wisened up to what Diana was like. And he’d have Elizabeth Taylor raise his kids before Diana. All his children had Godfathers and Godmothers and none of them was Diana. He was responsible about his children. He wouldn’t give them to someone even he couldn’t trust. It’s just more evidence the will is fake.
I’ve known about this for a couple years. I am a deep dive MJ fan. So I truly don’t like her. She was a social climber. She did anything and anyone to become who she is. She wanted everyone to be a playing piece in her world in order to not get played herself. She rather be at the top alone than share with others. She knew how he felt and took advantage of that. MJ adoring her was an ego boost. That’s why she would sabotage his relationships and show him love to keep him in order. It was sick. I think it’s weird to parent someone only to date them when the child grows older. I truly don’t like her. Even though she made all that backstabbing worth it. Moonwalker4Life💕✨
The lyric in MJ’s song Human Nature goes “She’s keeping him by keeping him around”. That’s exactly what she did. Kept him hanging. What she did is no different than Woody Allen who married a girl he once parented.
Michael Jackson was my IDOL.. and yes Michael Jackson fan’s didn’t care too much Diana Ross! She used him and turned her back on him leading to his death. When you do a video of King of Pop! Stay in chronological order with his career’s or I will critique your video. I still tear up or cry, when people speaks about him!! I came sooo close of working with him as a dancer!!!
I always thought it was weird how it was shown that he and Diana were close friends. But in the 90s-you never saw her stand by him, neither did Sheryl Crow, or Madonna. I think that everyone was too cautious over the child allegations. But I never knew they were romatically involved. That's the craziest part to me, but MJ and Diana's dance skills on the Wiz are something that can never really be emulated.
Diana read Michael, his dysfunctional family concerns, etc. She befriended him, he was a muse to her. How very disturbing. I always wondered about the song, Dirty Diana. I knew there was more to it, thew what we the public was lead to believe. Also, I knew about her love triangle with Cher and Gene Simmons. I read somewhere Cher was crushed, she meet Gene after breaking up with David Geffen. Thank you for sharing the bigger picture about Diana.
Just like any woman in the industry she did what she did to get ahead. She didn’t care who she had to step all over get rid of get out of the way to make herself climb that ladder of success. It was trifling( don’t get me wrong) it’s a game and she knew how to play it well and dirty
@@jessyncust76 Look people can overlook that she can be with more than one man at a time,that she is willing in a somewhey use a man if she benefit from that,that he can steal someone else man.that is all morale bad thinks but whatever. ,the think that people shoudnt not overlook is what she did with michael.its a gross that is a pure grooming and its seems that she was effect to him until his death which is sad and mess up.i find a creepy someone who were in her twenties which was in diana case to date someone who they know from when they were kid....you can be talented and also be more than a fucked up individual.that is a big issue which unfortunally people overlook and maybe even glamourise in somewhay
@@anniep.8771 Oh STFU! U don't know what ur talking about. U weren't there!! Weird how Lmp bragged a/b sleeping w/ 24 men by her 18th B day and I judgmental h*es don't say a word about that!!
Diana Ross is certainly one of my idols. Though she didn't have the greatest voice, but certainly has stage presence, and a sweetness that enthralled all different people of the world.
im still in awe realizing that "leave me alone" might be for Diana too and not the paparazzi. or both. Michael's good with trying to hide real meanings of his songs lmaooo
Leave Me Alone was definitely about her: “Time after time I gave you all of my money/ No excuses to make/ AIN’T NO MOUNTAIN THAT I CAN’T CLIMB, baby/ All is going my way…
I knew she and Michael were friends but I had no idea that she groomed him and had an improper relationship with him. I never liked her because she seemed like such a princess and now I really don't like her. I always had compassion for Michael despite all his issues because he had a horrible upbringing and now this. It explains so much!
Both Michael, and Diana two of the greatest musicians out there. That profession can be so stressful and demanding, enter in the love emotions of the human species and there can be problems. I still admire them both. Their music is a gift to us. We all make mistakes with love, it is an intense emotion . Sometimes their is painful rejection, we have to realize that.
I did not know that about Michael and Diana. I knew he was obsessed about her but not why. Poor Michael he didn’t have a chance. She was a pro at manipulation since he was born…… She’s still a legend
Thank you for this enlightening video. I have been doing deep dives on Michael Jackson wanting to fully understand the truth of ALL he endured, as well as about his death. So I did come across things said about Ross and MJ … but there are so many lies out there I held back believing them … until hearing your findings. So again, thank you. Between getting beaten by his dad and then the way Ross treated him … any wonder another great reason for his fantasy estate to escape it all?!? Given all I have learned, not sure he would want to come back to do it again. Tina Turner stated towards the end of her life about her life that the negative outweighed the positive. May she rest in deep peace & love.
I remember around my teenage years my mom introduced me to Mahogany and Lady Sings the Blues. I love her in those movies so much, and her style has always blown me away. I see bits of her in Tracee's acting sometimes lol (the vibrancy and big personality).
I agree. I actually enjoy her solo work. Mahogany is a great film! Her solo work isn't exactly as strong like Donna and Patti's -after 1980 for me. It's sort of like she tried way too hard and feel through the cracks.
I struggle with understanding the part with Michael. I remember in his book, Moonwalk, he referred to her as 'mother' and 'lover' in the same sentence - the Sigmund Freud vibes. I wonder how Diana felt about Brooke Shields, Lisa Marie Presley and Elizabeth Taylor.
She was jealous as all hell. But she just wanted to make sure her hold on him was forever. She visited him in hospital in 1995 & it caused problems for Lisa Marie coz MJ allowed Diana but refused to see Lisa Marie. And Diana sat on his lap at the World Music Awards in 1996. She kept her claws in. Narcissistic relationships are hard to get over, Trauma bonds are hard to break. But she didn’t show up for his funeral coz she wouldn’t be the centre of attention.
Brooke said it was platonic , not a full sexual relationship. Lisa Marie stated in a TV interview Michael was only interested at the start, because he desperately wanted children. When she suggested they wait ( because she feared he wasn't mature enough for fatherhood) he instantly distanced himself & their marriage went downhill from there.
Kaylee You are being misled. Lisa was the one who was jealous, with very good reason. . MJ had Lisa removed from Beth Israel hosp. Before Diana even got there!. Diana had nothing to do with her being removed.. Also, MJ also asked Lisa NOT to come back and put her name on the 🚫list. He Also admitted that he only cared for Lisa as only a friend n said he wished her well, but had no further interest in her. ..It was always Diana for him...
Circa 1974..she was shopping in a famous department store NYC . I was a sales person there at the time. She walked over to me and said she loved my skirt. It was an authentic vintage very dark navy midi skirt from the 30s or 40s
I grew up listening to her music. It really spoke to my soul. So much emotion. Ain't no Mountain is one of my favorites by her. But I love many of her songs. When I heard her on the radio it was like she was there in the room speaking to anyone and everyone.
It's absolutely upsetting that Michael Jackson had to go through so much Michael Jackson didn't deserve the mistreatment that he had gotten himself into Michael Jackson didn't deserve this at all he absolutely didn't deserve the treatment at all the phone call he had was heartbreaking i don't think he deserve that nightmare the fact that people had the nerve to acuse him of stuff that wasn't even true I Don't get why people do this
My sister's mom was one of the supreme before it was 3 , there was 4. 2. My nephew's mom' grandmother is Diana's cousin. 3. My best friend that I grew up, great uncle is Greg Gordy' Berry older brother and use to tell us story about Michael Jackson, which I love. He always talks about how he helped with the business of Motown. I really miss those days. I have seen pictures of Michael and my friend. Michael was so kind and sweet.
I knew Diana played with Michael’s heart but I was SHOOK to know this new informations about their relationship from you!! no wonder MJ’s fans hated her she played Michael left right and center 😭💔
How? You all are so dumb. You mean a boy who had a crush on someone who did not see him as a contender and she treated him like a child, as she should have. You are listening to a TH-camr who was not born in the 60's but the 2000's and getting her info from the internet...🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃
Diana Ross is a legend in the music business. She goes from being in the group called The Supremes in the 60s to leave the group to go solo. She did well as a solo artist selling millions of records and still making music and touring til this day. Berry Gordy did messed up the Supremes by playing favoritism toward her over Florence Ballard and Mary Wilson. Also, she didn’t have a lot of friends because there were a lot of people that didn’t like her personality. She also failed to make peace with The Supremes.
All of the original Supremes are dead and gone except Ross. We would have loved the reunion, but it never happen. Ross made peace with Mary Wilson before she died.
The Michael and Diana relationship does not sit well with me AT ALL. I wonder what age he was when she started having romantic feelings for him? If I had kids I would keep them away from the industry.
I never looked up to or cared about her career or music.However hearing about her behaviour with MJ I feel disturbed I cannot fathom people ignoring the fact she met MJ at 9 and was allegedly intimate horrid.Worse than Leo Di Caprio weird for sure one should keep the same energy grooming children is wrong period.
@@bmoretruthful6403 True, but, unfortunately our society still has very clear double standards when it comes to women and crime. And even though their relationship was very questionable, we don’t really have any concrete evidence that she committed any crimes, so I personally wouldn’t accuse her for now, just my personal opinion
She out of my life was a real heart breaker , cause you can even hear him cry at the end of the song 🎵. I love dirty Diana. One reason cause I know it was made for her. Remember the time. (When we first met girl) then when he started holling at her like Do you remember girl …… on the phone you and me till dawn till 3:00 what about us girl. Who is it . ( who is it this time) I can’t stop loving you.( then if I stop then tell me just what would I do) That sounds like an obsession. And many more. Diana you broke Michael heart ❤️. SMH 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾💯💪🏽
I saw a video of Mrs. Katherine Jackson and Diana interaction 😂 Diana was happily singing while Mrs. Jackson maintain _POKER FACE_ expression throughout the entire performance HAHAHAHA
I was very shocked and disturbed that Diana Ross wasn’t at Michael Jackson’s funeral … I watched the whole funeral because it was televised and I didn’t see a trace of Diana Ross at all , after watching this video I wonder if the sour relationship they had is the reason why she wasn’t there
Debbie Rowe wasn't at the funeral either. Debbie is the mother of Michael's two eldest children and she is his ex-wife. I guess people have different ways of coping with grief. I would have personally wanted to be at the funeral to pay my respects but everyone is different. Michael mentioned Diana Ross in his will so he still loved her he wanted her to look after his children if his mother Katherine couldn't. As far as we know the will is genuine. I think there were other significant people in Michael Jackson's life who were not at his funeral. Many women seemed to like Michael Jackson. He said he wanted a woman who either didn't know who he was or had her own money/career. Diana Ross had her own money and career and she was there from early Motown days.
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"Dirty Diana" is about Diana Ross. I never put that together.
You need to check your facts! I do not believe that dirty Diana was written about Diana Ross. I really don't think he would have been that rude with everyone knowing that he had feelings for her. But I guess it gives you something to talk about.
Michael Jackson, the secret love child of Diana Ross and Smokey Robinson 😲
@@denisebrashears1552
Dirty Diana was 4 Diana Ross. Facts all fit. Diana supposedly even sang it as her opening act / and said Her bad boy wrote it for Her..
@@brizzy4932
He looks just like nearly ALL his siblings they"d ALL have to come from her!! How ridiculous! And Diana was a 13 yr old girl across the world when he was born!! LMBAO!!
It's sad, Michael was always being exposed to things of the adult world far too early.
That's cause that's called my lesting a child there's no getting around it she ought to be ashamed of herself
How can you love a woman that molests a child cause that's what she did spare me your banality that's no love as a child molester
Yeah, well, blame his BLACK dad cause Joseph Jackson FORCED his children into the industry without asking them how they felt about it.
in MJ's recorded phone call , someone asked him "How long did it take you to get over Diana?" and he said _"Years . . . A hell long of a time."_ I feel so bad for Mike 😩
I believe Michael was enamored with Diana. There is not ENOUGH empathy for Michael when it comes to what he and many child stars are exposed to. Diana is a pioneering legend yet she can be a cold opportunist. Michael was too sensitive for her. I hope he is at peace now. 😔🙏🏾🕊️❤️
So sad😭
actually he didn't got over her until his last breath
He NEVER got over her. Just tried to make ppl think he did..
He left a dedication on last album to her, saying he loved her more than ever...
@@teacherspet8835 exactly 💯
My mom has been saying Diana groomed Michael for years. As I grew older, it was disturbing to find out she met him around 9 and he even lived with her. He was in love her. He should have never been sent to live with her. Calling her both mother and girlfriend is SICK!
She didn't groom him. He got older and she fell into his administration for her by the time he was in his early 20s. She began to feel attracted to him by the time Off The Wall was coming out
@@AlkalineInsides it's grooming. They met when he was 9. A child. And after living with her he became "obsessed" with her and later started referring to her as he gf/mom. It's inappropriate and disgusting administration or not.
@@sharitad.3688 he was obsessed with her before he even lived with her. MJ and his brothers lived with her because Berry Gordy asked her if she'd take them in. She said yes. MJ adored her the most- he had a crush on her and she treated him like a sister/mother. He got older (21) and she started to see him differently. It's easy to vilify her due to her other unsavory behaviors in her younger years, but "grooming" is such a stretch of a definition. It's kind of like people calling MJ a pedophile because he had such a beautiful genuine love for children. I guess he was grooming those kids too?
@@AlkalineInsides it's grooming look it up it's called grooming an underage child who can't defend themselves from serious situations like that
@@AlkalineInsides I agree with your entire comment.. However It's just that for me,a grown woman, and if a young man been around me since a kid.. I just wouldn't desire him even though he's grown into a man.. He's like family to me..
She should be ashamed for treating him like that selfish and controlling
Yall don’t know anything, she didn’t groom him
At this point Michael’s only real friends with no ulterior motive was Elizabeth Taylor and Chris Tucker. Smh
Yup he really had no one don't forget Stephanie Mills
brooke shields?
@@ChocolateRuko no. She used him.
Eddie Murphy??
I think Anjelica Huston should be added to this
She was a narcissist. Thirsting for someone as soon as they got attention yet you kept dismissing them before is definitely a narc trait.
Then yo keep reeling Mike back in wvrytine he moved on just bc she didn't want to see him with anyone else
Was?
My thoughts exactly hearing about when he tried to move on she’d pop back up acting jealous smh
@@truthbetold6011 😂
Definitely a narcissist
That's why Diana Ross would not dare show up for Michael's funeral because of the embarassment in how she treated Michael! She abused his love that he had for her and was very selfcentered!
Uhm you’re wrong she didn’t show up because she was too sad. Theirs videos of her crying and stuff
@@User-gi9tema’am. Lmao
Maybe she wasn't invited. IJS
I've known about Michael & Diana's relationship, she was caught on video saying, "me and my man" and you could tell she was so proud to be with him. Michael on the other hand was shy about the relationship and she wanted people to see him like she saw him. He was definitely "the man" in her eye. I never believed any of the stories about him and kids; just another smear campaign by the 1% people at the top wanting to control certain people. Michael was even heard as saying "there are very powerful people" I knew what he was talking about. Just take a look at the entertainment industry and you can guess by those with the most money and fame are connected and have sold their souls to the devil. Michael Jackson loved children but not in a negative way. I think he was always just a big kid at heart.
I totally agree 💯
Also may I add before his death, he owned 50% of Sony’s Catalog. One thing about powerful people, they don’t like to share
The abused often times become a perpetrator. I honestly don't blame MJ. He was such a beautiful person and soul- but i won't make excuses for a grown man either. Regardless, he was toyed with and used by Ms. Ross, definitely, and so many other adults. MJ grew up to be so handsome, with no judgment here, but she should've controlled herself. But I feel he had no normal outlet and did things darkly as well. He should've been protected like all children and child entertainers. But he tried his best. That's why we can't fight battles alone. We need Jesus. May he rest in peace 🙏
@JaeElise lol true 👍
Wow! So you’re one of those people? Who believe what they want to believe. Do some research real research, and you will be very enlightened. There was no Cinderella story here. And why would you want them to be a couple? She was like a mother to him he was nine when she met him. Do you really think it’s OK that later on she would be with him sexually? Everyone could see why he would love being in love with her, but that’s strange as in his book is autobiography. He says she was like a mother sister lover to him. That’s not healthy. And lastly, please understand pedophiles are in many vocations leading very functional lives. It is very likely he he did do things with YoungBoy, but he never hurt them. How many times did he say that I could never hurt a child and he probably didn’t but that doesn’t mean he didn’t have sexual things with them. You don’t sleep in a twin bed as a man with a young boy, and not have sex come on. His father used to take him out of bed somewhere at all hours of the night when they were on tour and when he got back, he would cry for days. This is according to his brother Germaine in his book. I’m sorry to tell you all this, but it’s not healthy for you to believe in fantasies.
May MJ rest in peace, my goodness, he went through so much!
I feel like the two people who did the most emotional/psychological damage to Michael Jackson were Joe Jackson and Diana Ross. And both were Narcissists. It set the empathic Michael up to be exploited by Narcissists all his life.
I agree. 💯
And he became an exploiter himself.
Well on MJ'S private tape recordings 2000, MJ actually says "it took me a long time to get over her, a hell of a long time."
He also says something like "the relationship between her & him was mainly all in his mind"
@@kathleenroulston5437 not 2000s, it was the 90s.
@@granny58 You are parroting people who are exploiting him even in death.
I feel bad for Michael. You can be kind, beautiful, and talented and ppl will still treat you like trash. And I can't imagine knowing a child at nine and then sleeping with them as an adult. Gross.
LITERALLY... A whole 14 year age gap😭
She was a child predator
Let's just call it for what it is.
Mike got robbed and used. THE INDUSTRY EVENTUALLY GETS THEM ALL. DIRTY DIANA, CLIVE, RECORD COMPANIES, BRITISH, AMERICAN GOVT. ..ITS ALL ABOUT DEBT AND DEBTORS.
That is truly sick! She was extremely talented though.. wish she also had the heart to go along with the talent.
What's sick a/b it? He was grown!
Priscilla was only 14 when Elvis started 'doing her' That's my definition of sick!
Poor Michael. What a messed up situation. Like imagine being groomed from a young age by someone you really look up to, then you hit puberty and start having feelings for this person who then ends up taking advantage of this, manipulates you into believing you’re ✨the one✨for like half your adulthood only to end up marrying and having a family with someone else. That must’ve crushed him 😢 I wouldn’t even call it obsession but a sort of trauma. He could hardly live without Diana because that’s all he’d known
He did make a song called dirty Danna
Reportedly, Michael was also groomed by a couple of members in the Shiites, and through the hands of his own father being passed around through “illuminati type“ members when he was very young, I wonder if Diana Ross knew anything about that, and anyway offered to protect him from thesepedophiles. Perhaps Michael felt that he was safest. He was with Diana Ross.
She didn’t groom him
@User-gi9te yes she did. You diana stans are weird. She knew him as a child. Watched him grow up and led him on in his teens. That's predatory. That was not a healthy relationship
@@imnottheone3911 No, she didn’t lead him on in his teens; he was an adult when she led him on. Also, I’m not a Diana Stan and I don’t even like her for what she did to Michael bevause he was heartbroken. But making false allegations is cruel.
Juicy.
**poor Michael. I really did not realize how deep that relationship with Diana Ross was.
I genuinely was sad watching all the documentaries and seeing his mom talk about it. The media made his mom sound like a hater and bitter but she was just keeping real 😭
@@KarineAlourde Hey I remember seeing the michael jackson breakdown on your channel, are you going to make another one? thank you, i love your videos!
@@gabri11e14 yes very very soon. A more in depth one 💖
Don't believe everything you hear
@@falanajerido875 anything you hear in hollyweird is TRUE...
"Dirty Diana", "Remember the Time" , "I just can't stop Loving you" and "Who is it" I heard that all this songs MJ wrote for Diana , I don't know if we should thank Diana for song inspiration or not 💀 all this songs are banger and hits 😣
Thank you for mentioning these songs, I never knew any of this, my mouth was open for the entire video. I wish a Man loved me so much he wrote songs about me but I wouldn't break his heart.
OMG! Those songs? My jaw is on the floor
Wayyyy more than that.
Im so blue
Dangerous
Dont walk away
I cant let her get away
Super fly Sis
Even Blue gangster- where he blows her cover n says:
Said you'd be my wife!
- Nothin but big LIES!!
Now I can never fall in love _ ( meaning w/ s'one else )
He was hopelessly in love w/ her. That's why his mom said he was TOO in love with her n it was unhealthy...
@@taylorsara1237 Thank you for this! I had no idea!!!
According to Teddy Riley, Remember the time was written by him. Teddy Riley was writing about a girlfriend of his
I love her music, but Ms. Ross was very very toxic. She did MJ wrong and it saddens me because he really and truly loved her to the point of obsession. His songs “Who Is It”, “Heartbreaker”, “Give In To Me”, and many more, are said to also be about her. She caused that man a lot of pain.
And she reaped her seeds when her husband Arne “allegedly” dumped her for his younger, pregnant girlfriend. That man sent her into spells of depression and alcoholism till the day he died, and it doesn’t seem like she’s had a significant relationship since.
The way I feel about celebrities I separate their art form from what they are at any other time-
@@pheephee1712 It depends on what they do in their personal lives.
@@CodyCole80 Meanwhile Michael wanted to give her the world!
@@CodyCole80 on national tv 😲. I need to find that video 😏
Diana Ross was a legendary narcissist.....so sad that child stars like Michael are not protected.
yes I totally agree with you
Diana Ross is a "legendary" narcissist? Ambitious, yes. Narcissist, I think, is not even in the ballpark. Where do people get their information from? It is far more likely that she does not "bond" with others. She doesn't demonstrate the traits of a narcissist, which is something people with no psychological knowledge throw around whenever they want to say something damning about someone. People are jumping to absurd conclusions, based on hearsay (the old "Well, I heard that..." or some other nonsense).
We used to respect facts. Now we just voice an opinion and don't care if it is factual or not. Such as "the election was stolen." and now "Diana Ross groomed Michael Jackson." Nuts. Michael Jackson's father would never let anyone else have any control over his kids. And if you're old enough, you know this from back in the '70s, when the Jacksons left Motown.
P.S. I am no fan of Diana Ross. I liked her when she was with the Supremes, but as soon as it turned into DR & The Supremes, I was gone. That said, if people are going to bash someone, get your facts straight and leave the innuendo/rumors out of it.
@@fertusherring3476 blah blah blah feminism rotted your brain to where you're unable to hold women accountable, she was a narcissist.
I spoke on this before about women taking advantage of children and it being glorified especially within our community. As if it doesn’t cause psychological damage.
This happens in all communities btw not jus our community but regardless it needs to be addressed.
@@KimoDraco It happens MORE in your community. That's the point. 🙄
Thank you! Even now, these female entertainers are perverts and no different from the men. Thats why Lizzy could comfortably be around children at a ball game with her whole prune shaped ass out.
@@skip031890 it actually doesn’t and I can tell you’re speaking from a non statistical perspective so stop being dense.
@@KimoDraco keep telling yourself that.
Have you done Janet Jackson? I really like her transition from tomboy to WOMAN but keeping both elements of masculine and feminine balanced throughout her career/life. Latoya Jackson would also be an interesting breakdown. She was highly sought out by famous men but was just as shy as Michael lol
Glad you mentioned how she had the perfect balance of tomboy and woman . One article I read described her song “ if “ as the perfect balance of masculine and feminine
You mean how she went from tomboy to being slutty...
Janet tells her own story on hulu
@@natalie8105 6 y
possibly because Janet may have been born a boy
I cannot wait for your deep dive on Michael! His obsession w/Dianna Ross explains a lot, so sad the industry took so much advantage of him.
She already did one
@@daryltracy7949 Well, she stated in THIS video that one is coming.
Michael also had a huge poster of Diana in his bathroom. And in one interview with Oprah (after the divorce) Lisa Marie Presley said she has no advantage to Diana when it comes to Michael's attention. And also Tatum O'Neil in an interview, their relationship didn't last because Michael Jackson was in love with Diana Ross.
@@teacherspet8835 Please give me the link of where Lisa said that
@@SpiceyKy MJ married Elvis Pressley's daughter Maria. So what was that all about. Yeah, Dianna was a project cock blocking where, very manipulative, like your typical trap ho.
Awesome video! As a kid, my Mom always told me MJ was in love with Diana, but I never knew to this extent. Dirty Diana... She did MJ terribly wrong, poor kid. Broke his heart too, wow. I'm a new subscriber and I'm loving these videos. Keep'em coming! Great Work!!!!!!
I still listen to Michael Jackson. He is one of a kind, the one and only! I love his music forever!
I do as well. Born a year apart from Michael so he had been my favourite person even beyond his tragic passing. Miss him but listen and watch him daily.
Never was a fan of Diana. Florence had the best voice of the Supremes. I love Cher. I loved MJ he passed on my birthday😓😓. Diana is all about herself.
@@happydrunkmeansober Diana had the look and the voice that was "White" enough. thats why...
I love me some Flo. But she just didn't have this great "voice" people claim. And it didn't have the appeal to rise the supremes to the top
@@happydrunkmeansober Faaaacts... people were always so mean about Diana just because Berry appointed her to lead the group. She went with it and took it serious and did a fantastic job. She was a hard worker. And knew she had a different art to offer. It's those eyes for me and that swag
@@happydrunkmeansober and it's so annoying. Not many know; toward the end of The Supremes...Diana personally asked Mary "what do you want to do after this?"...and Mary's response was "I don't know...maybe to get Married" lol. I mean.. Diana had a complete vision for HERSELF. NOTHING wrong with that. She was YOUNG during a PIONEERING era.. from the "HOOD"... it IS a rags to riches and ambitious story.
I remember Michael Jackson and Diana Ross; yet thought he had a "crush" on her. I didn't know that he lived with her or proposed to her!
Diana Ross and the Supremes were one of my Dad's favorite groups. Sometimes I cannot bear to listen to her songs because they make me feel melancholy. When my dad was in hospice, he and I listened to "Someday we'll be together" and he just nodded his head and smiled. My dad passed in 2006 and I still have difficulty listening to Diana Ross. Great Video! Enjoy your commentary!
For me, her work is with the Supremes stands out compared to every one else!
Im sorry for ur loss. My dad is gone too. But its comforting to know he's not suffering anymore. Just know that one day we WiLL see them again...
A 9 -10 year old MJ lived with Di..a boys first female impression is his mom of course...then she came along
Actually, Michael and his brothers never lived with Diana. Michael sort of mentions as such in a set of tapes, and Jermaine Jackson, his brother, said the same in his book. This as well as the idea of her discovering them were things just for show.
Most boys👦first impressions ARE on older females because of their mom's😉😁
Allegedly, MJ’s solo version of the song “The Girl Is Mine” was a direct shot at Gene Simmons about Diana Ross.
Michael fell in love as young man not a child people need to get their minds out of the gutter. The heart wants what the heart wants.
She led MJ on
Big time!
Yeah he said in a recorded phone call that she started to make a game out of things
@@gabri11e14 yes!!!! I hope Karine can do a review of the Glenda Tapes, it will reveal so much!
@@Hi.Shadow omg right!! they reveal so much about what was going on in his mind
She was a predator a groomer just disgusting
I always felt sad for MJ. He endured so much physical mental and emotional abuse from his father hile his mother stood by and did nothing. She was also abused as well. Then as an adult it continued , yet his talents and resilience took him to the top and there will never be anyone that can even compare to him. He is thhe King. ❤😢
MJ=King of pop.
They are overstating Diana's beauty, too pop eyed and skinny. It was makeup and costumes that gave her a semblance of beauty.
@@aarondigby5054just say you hate Black women and move on
Much of what you said is very true. I think he wanted to be resilient, and he tried to get past his problems. But very obviously he wasn't resilient enough. She could have said F it all, I am going to marry him . I love him, I don't care what people think! Maybe if they had, he would still be alive. At the same time everyone looked at her as a predator, and maybe she was.
I think hooking up so fast with so many other men, would have been extremely hurtful.
@@aarondigby5054 That can be said of about every so-called beauty. Nope, sorry--that black woman was gorgeous! And not everyone likes thick big booty women my man! In many cultures, large eyes are a very coveted trait, and some just don't know what to do with large eyes--just as many believe Bette Davis to be beautiful as believe her to be plain.
How could she sleep with a man she knew as a child?!🤦🏽♀️ all famous people are crazy 🤪
He was becoming powerful and she saw it (Off The Wall/ Wiz era) It becomes a turn on after a while. Especially once he was of proper legal age. He was also obsessed with her...and perhaps she felt she could finally give him what he wanted. Then it got complicated, because she didn't care too much for how shy he was off stage.
@@AlkalineInsides you’re right. Power turns her on. MJ got powerful.
You would be surprised how common this is
They become famous because they have what it takes to use and walk all over people without remorse. Narcissists.
Who knows, she could've had him before that. You never know until you know..
I’ve been thinking this for a long time. She had him on his show when he was like 8 or 9, and doing a skit with him where she pretend she’s his wife. That little boy was smitten from the start. Then he gets older and she calls him sexy, gets real flirty……… then marries someone else. She made him fall for her since he was a child, groomed him into staying in love as an adult, breaks his heart after leading him on for most of his young life and then he has to just get over that? Sheesh. Man. Heart breaking.
I don’t hate Diana Ross, I wish her a good rest in peace, and I have immense respect for her legacy especially since she’s part of my favorite singer’s favorite band (Amy Winehouse loved the supremes). But we gotta admit that was dirty.
Dirty Diana
Yeah,I saw that skit.Although Michael is his acting was toppie ,it was weird.Diana always knew that he was madly in love with her ,but she on the other hand wasn't.I think she found him very attractive and sexy when he got older.She began flirting(Diana always was very flirty with men)with him and giving all the wrong signs.Nah miss Ross!👎
@nicholasgreen339we don’t need to be technical with his age. The whole point. He was still young.
As a child I always felt like something didn’t add up between them.. this confirms it all
MJ can never be cancelled
Not cancelled cause the music is good, but people are aware of what he did with children.
🗣🔥👏🏽💪🏾🙏🏽🪩
@@shanejive6292 false allegations he was acquitted of 😢
@@shanejive6292 evidence????
@@Monstergaming-qm2tm open your eyes
I AM HERE FOR MICHAEL THE KING OF POP✨
Me too
Me three 😊
😍 the King!
SAME! Michael always and forever!!
Me too
i was literally in the middle of typing to speak on how much he looked like her after he began getting plastic surgery, when you mentioned it yourself in the video.
Doesn't seem she was very nice. Rather self absorbed.
I’ve always got real self-absorbed vibes from her I can’t explain it
Probably someone high on the narcissistic spectrum without actually having NPD.
One of the original divas
Diana was a class act and very intelligent woman, we all make mistakes.
I am not a Diana Ross fan at all, because she has been very shady, and I've never thought she was that good of a singer. But I will say that there are a couple of songs by her that I like (missing you is a favorite), she definitely is a fashion icon, and her movies were actually pretty good. But it just seems like she had a lot of drama with a lot of people. She disrespected her fellow ladies in the supremes, she disrespected other artists including Patti labelle, she had the baby with Berry Gordy while he was married-and lied about it until that child was a preteen, and she should have never played the role of Dorothy in The Wiz; that should have been Stephanie Mills all day long (who, by the way, kissing Diana's ass under a table any day). The part that bothers me the most is she has never apologized about any of the stuff she has done, or at least not publicly. Mary Wilson and Florence Ballard both are gone now, and Diana never made peace with those women. Diana Ross has her legacy for what it is, because yes she is talented and she did make her mark. But she ain't my cup of tea personally
My sentiments exactly 💯
Not to mention that Stephanie had a thing for MJ. Oooh chile!
THANK YOU, SHE'S PURE-T TRASH, she was a disgusting mean girl, who would do any & everything to tear down & compromise other female artists like Gladys Knight, Mary Reeves, Mary Wilson & Florence Ballard. She's a shark & that's why the fates made it so that the very thing happened to her that she didn't want to & that was, growing old alone & that's precisely what happened to her!!!!!!!
And you telling the truth
Hit the nail on the head!
She is the purest form of "Blind Ambition" I've ever seen. When I read "Call Her Miss Ross" several years ago, it shed light on why Mary Wilson had so much animosity towards her, along with so many other Motown stars. Regardless of her controversial rise to the top, no one can deny her dominance and sheer work ethic. The dynamic between her and MJ was always a little strange but no one ever spoke of it because it was spun as a big sister/little brother relationship. To hear all this now as a GenX is really sad.
That book was discredited by everyone who knew her!! Randy Tamborelli has been declared one of the biggest/ most vicious/ lying/ unmitigated Gossips in hollywood!! No one in their right mind would believe what he says! He ✍ whatever U PAY HIM TO SAY!- Are u kidding? He's the Enquirer of the Literary Sect. I can't believe u quoted that gossip rag as if it had ANY credibility!! BTW, he was sued for that book- and LOST!!
That book was lies and garbage just like all of Randy's books..
Apparently that is what it takes to get to the top. You don't get to the top by being nice. Remember she came from nothing...Her family was kind of poor. She couldnt write songs or music like Madonna and Taylor Swift can
@@erossinema8797 She COULD have written and DID write a few songs. And Ev'thg Tamborello said in that 📖 is false. ALL of his 📚 are full of lies. Even The Jackson's said that...
@@taylorsara253 , If it was lies, Randy must be one talented writer obsessed with black entertainers. I couldn't put "Call Her Miss Ross" down until I finished reading it.
I didn’t understand the fascination with Diana Ross; I didn’t think she was as good as the hype.
Yeah I personally don’t like the way she sings, I never have
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During the supremes, it was the glamour and elegance but I agree it’s just that. To appeal and crossover because of greedy berry. A few hits after but definitely not a singer
Awful singer.
She's not even beautiful. Just an average woman
I love her music and public persona, but my grandmother was a hotel clearing in the 70s and she said Ms. Ross was very mean and nasty to her. This broke my heart. 💔
It's weird because I love how she seems on TV.
They act on tv
Diana has admit she's been testy and rude and that she's worked on getting better. She's human. On other accounts...many have also had great experiences with Diana Ross. Unfortunately your grandmother didn't. Sorry to hear.
@@AlkalineInsides thank you for saying. It does help to know she acknowledged her past flaws and improved her personality.
@@AlkalineInsides I met Diana a few years ago and she was sweet and omg an undeniable presence that I’ve never experienced before. I bet she’s grown a lot since the 80 & 90’s
That honestly is not that surprising look at her eyes
I loved Diana Ross in "Mahogany" and "Lady Sings the Blues", but I have never really liked her "persona". She photographs beautifully as a model and is definitely talented, but you confirmed my aversion to her because she clearly is not a very nice person. To be so unfaithful and hurtful to people throughout her life is not a good character trait. She was mean to the Supremes, she played with Michael Jackson and she backstabbed Cher - yeah, that is not a good person. And for what? She was already super wealthy and well-known when she met Michael Jackson. I wish her no harm, but I have never really liked her and now I know why. I could see it in her face...something I could not quite put my finger on. This is an excellent video. Great job at bringing out the truth!
I totally agree with this statement. You nailed it and left nothing out.
Well said. I totally agree with you! And I hate people who say they wished they were a couple.
Yep
@@Carol-dq8njwell it might have healed him and let him move on faster on e it ended and fulfill his love story.
When I was young, I heard that Michael was obsessed with Diana Ross and wanted to marry her, but I heard she stayed away from him because of his obsession with her. I never knew the two actually had a relationship and was engaged. Wow!
Me too...I remember...
Yes they were. He planned a big wedding in 🇨🇭
Switzerland. That was his dream
But his mom told Di off and ran her away. MJ was always in love with her n never gave up... Sadly
At least from this now we know MJ was not gay and actually had sex with Diana.That should shut off the rumours that have been peddled during his life that he was gay and a weirdo who had a thing for small boys
She didn't stay away from him.
@@SimplyBeingTT
Right. She didn't. She just let ppl THINK she did...
Dayummm! I knew none of that tea! Good job👍
She lost an entire nation of supporters when she came to Jamaica for our Jazz & Blues Festival in the mid 2000s and refused to be shown on screen for patrons with "general" tickets to see her perform live. One audience member went as far as to say "she is ugly anyway". Apparently it was her vanity and insecurity of her appearance at the time.
I don’t even remember 😂. I remember Celine Dion coming and it being a big deal amongst the men. Didn’t know she came to Jamaica
Not the first...Detroit been not fooling with Diana...I was surprised, but learned why...
Im sure that was NOT the reason. And she's quite beautiful...
Ppl just looking for a reason to hate on s'one..
@@taylorsara1237 they didn't like her because she is an evil bitch. Simple.
@@taylorsara1237 thank you
That's not cool what she did to Michael. Completely toxic and it should have been called out.
I'm sure there are some things about you that need to be called out. But I hear you.
@@AlkalineInsides I'm sure the same goes for you too.
@@tiffani5353 absolutely. So no need to cast stones as if you're such a perfect person.
@@AlkalineInsides I never casted a stone, I just simply stated the truth. As I did in my original comment. You tried it by bringing me in it. So you got the same energy that you came at me with.
@@AlkalineInsides No need to get defensive
Omg! Things are starting to make sense now. MJ is a great singer/ song writer and there was an interview talking about how mj sang love/ break up songs with the passion of a 40 year old but coming from an 8 year old boy. Like how is he able to convey those emotions at such a young age? Idk just a thought.
Quincy talks about how during the recording of She's Out of My Life Michael would sob at the end of the song every time...
He was good at mimicking the stars back then, like Jackie Wilson and all the people that were back then. You have to remember a lot of those people. Were like huge To A boy who lived at home didn't have anything. He wanted to be a singer. So he copied them. Their look their way. He said he used to watch their feet.He would talk about this over the years.
Because he's simply talented...
@@cheesyDELISH48 fake crying, it's just a part of the act for that song. Maybe he did cry for real once or twice tho
@@TyeArtisik it wasnt fake crying lol.. Quincy said he did it everytime while recording until he eventually had to keep it in there..
Diana is a legend and trifling with my boy MJ….like WTH?!! Good ol Hollywood…
I never knew all this happened btwn D & M. My heart breaks for the children that grow up in the entertainment industry. Theyre used and abused like nothing else.
Sounds like DR is a narcissist who looked far and wide for supply, love bombed and discarded her relationships, returning to use them when it served her. She’s so iconic and glamorous because that’s what was most important to her. As she aged and became less relevant, she fell into substance abuse. Clearly she couldn’t love anyone but her own ambitions. But…..she’ll always have Mahogany.
I see her mirrored in JLo, even Madonna to an extent. Being relevant & still getting attention is the most important to them. Which is why they’ll never stop working, they need the limelight like oxygen. Miss Ross is performing again.
She's a pretty great mom ... she loves them and adore her!
I had noooooo idea the deepness of Diana and Michael’s relationship. 😮
I love the way she explained tht positive/negative mindset.
I really don't like Diana ross. How she treated the other Supremes is disgusting.. She's just another user
When one of the members died, you’d think Diana would’ve helped with the funeral. O girl didn’t even have a tomb stone that’s how poor she was living in the projects. Shame on Diana. SMH
@@sexythicknj That's a damn lie! She not only paid for Flo's whole funeral, but she gave her daughters money and paid off Mary's house!!
WTF! Yall just make shyt up about ppl! Its ridiculous...
@@sexythicknj you don't even know what you're talking about. She set up an entire trust frund for flos kids. She let Mary borrow money not once but twice. And even helped out Cindy. Flo had her own demons she was dealing with. They weren't angels either. Idk why people think Diana supposed to be responsible for everyone else life. In the late 70's she barely even had any money. You literally had to go to Motown to ask for it. She was set up on a bad deal. But because she was a Motown darling..of course she was granted a little more access. You need to do your research
@@AlkalineInsides who is Flo?
@@veronicapodolig6806 Florence Ballard, a founding member of The Supremes.
Diana Ross is a living legend and has inspired some of the greatest talents like Janet Jackson, but she did have her mean girl tendencies. Not her specifically but the way Florence Ballard from the Supremes was treated and how she benefited from that (she and Berry Gordy dated and ended up having a child). Also, how Stephanie Mills was suppose to be in the film adaption of the Wiz but she persistent on getting the role even though producers and filmmakers thought she was too old to play Dorothy. Still a fashion and pop music icon nonetheless.
She's not a legend... Sleeping with Berry Gordy helped her fraudulent career
Michael ended up dating Stephanie Mills anyway and Stephanie Mills said Michael definitely wasn't gay because there were rumors swirling at the time
@@pamelapadath6308 Michael Jackson liked little boys-
@@pamelapadath6308 Stephanie is a REAL one. She consistently DEFENDS MJ.
I’m have to say No! That Diana Ross inspired Janet Jackson!!
When it comes to Michael & Janet Jackson’s, I can tell who inspired Janet!!
Janet had respect for Diana Ross.. but, that wasn’t the person she looked up to.
Dorothy Dandridge, Eartha kit, Cab Calloway, Mae West… OMG!! I can go on & on…
I don't find her behaviour shocking, regular every day people do some of these same things and the only reason it is not known is because they aren't famous so the things they do don't necessarily come into the open unless it is truly horrific; but nothing really surprises me about what people do.
exactly! 😆👍
EXACTLY. This is the case for most of these celebrity scandals. The public love to call out celebs for things we’re ALL guilty for
Even though regular people behave that way to get to the top doesn’t mean they should. It’s still not okay.
@@hellobye7697 I totally agree💯 We all fall short of the glory at the end of the day .
I agree every female group has a diva the supremes had Diana and destiny child Had “queen bee “ Beyoncé.
I started listening to Diana's music after watching The Wiz for the first time when I was 8 or 10. My favorite songs were Upside down and Love Hangover but after hearing Muscles because of MJ writing it for her and did background vocals, that became my number one favorite. I knew that Michael and some of his brothers lived with her, but I never knew about the other stuff. My jaw is on the floor, and I truly believe MJ never got over Diana
Diana Ross is something else! Totally focused on what she wants out of life and doesn’t let anyone or anything stand in her way. A whole lot of drama in her wake.
She is an egoist
It's not something else its narcissism
Weird _ how if she was a man, that trait would be called focus and Ambition!!
Only on a woman does it seem to become a negative...
@@taylorsara253 That is so true. I don’t find it an attractive trait in anyone, regardless of gender.
Y’all hate Black women who want to succeed in life.
My mom was a huge Jackson fan, she used to talk about Diana and MJ all of the time, she was the first one I ever heard say that MJ was emulating Diana, that was over 30 years ago. My mom knew what was up, I really wonder what details people around at the time in real time had that we don't know today.
Facts 💯 God bless & rest my mom's soul, she passed 23 yrs ago from breast cancer she would be 68 now but when I was growing up she use to say the same thing lol
Explain how he was “emulating” Diana?
He wasn't emulating her. He was deeply IN LOVE with her. Ppl in love naturally start to look and act alike. That's a well known fact...
Soon as I read "emulating" it became so clear 🤯
@@MissCellanious1 no it’s actually false
I didn’t realize how much I love Diana Ross until you started playing all of her singles. 😭 love you Karine! My favorite song of hers is also Missing you! It’s in a playlist I made in tribute to my grandma who passed away this year. 💜💜💜
You need snacks for this video. JUICY!
Michael deserved better. He should have been walked away from her.
I saw an interview not to long ago where Gene Simmons talked about how much he loved her, and she was the great love of his life. Thank you for this video. A lot of this information, I did not know
Interesting
Men love mean women
@@ntuan9360 Evidently
Can you tell us which interview this was please?
@@ntuan9360 Men love beautiful women, not ugly fat ones. Men are about looks
I recall when Michael was in Monaco to receive an award, it was rumored he was dating Princess Stephanie, I recall Diana sat on his lap serenading him. He blushed. My mom stated "I know he is not that hard for a woman". LOL!
She kissed him during that performace too, Diana was wild lmao
She gave her back to Stephanie too lol
She was jealous of Princess Stephanie. Just like she sat on his lap when was out with Madonna. And when she inserted herself between Michael & Elizabeth on stage. Or jumped Michael’s bones (seduced him/slept with him) when he was dating Stephanie Mills & Tatum O’Neill. She wanted to show off to these women & mark him as her territory
@@jihangamal5823 she did😂
He was NOT dating Steph at all. She was there with her hubby!!
And MJ pulled Diana into his lap and held her tight like he"d never let go.. Remember how mesmerized he was? Diana was the LOHL, Steph knew she had no chance...
She lived her life by her own terms! I remember watching her concert in Central Park when it started to rain. She asked someone to bring her a coat that was fur and then kept singing in the rain! I loved every minute of it! Thanks for the video! 😊
If you recall Michael named Diana as the person he wanted to take care of his kids, but she respectfully declined to raise the kids and said she would be there for them whenever they need her.
Michael had wisened up to what Diana was like. And he’d have Elizabeth Taylor raise his kids before Diana. All his children had Godfathers and Godmothers and none of them was Diana. He was responsible about his children. He wouldn’t give them to someone even he couldn’t trust. It’s just more evidence the will is fake.
If you recall she didn't attend his funeral.
@@louisepalm4792 that was always weird to me she didn’t attend his funeral
@@louisepalm4792 She didn’t?? That’s terrible. Ironically his daughter is friends with Diana’s young son.
@@DominiqueRamseyArt she went to the private one.
I’ve known about this for a couple years. I am a deep dive MJ fan. So I truly don’t like her. She was a social climber. She did anything and anyone to become who she is. She wanted everyone to be a playing piece in her world in order to not get played herself.
She rather be at the top alone than share with others. She knew how he felt and took advantage of that. MJ adoring her was an ego boost. That’s why she would sabotage his relationships and show him love to keep him in order.
It was sick.
I think it’s weird to parent someone only to date them when the child grows older.
I truly don’t like her. Even though she made all that backstabbing worth it.
Moonwalker4Life💕✨
The lyric in MJ’s song Human Nature goes “She’s keeping him by keeping him around”. That’s exactly what she did. Kept him hanging. What she did is no different than Woody Allen who married a girl he once parented.
Damn I had no idea...she truly fucked MJ up
@@connicia She did and she knew it. That’s why she won’t ever talk about it or him for that matter. She wasn’t there when he was at his lowest.
She didn't like MJ although he was a big guy int the industry she likes white men anyway
Coming in the guise of parent, but really a lover.
Michael Jackson was my IDOL.. and yes Michael Jackson fan’s didn’t care too much Diana Ross! She used him and turned her back on him leading to his death.
When you do a video of King of Pop! Stay in chronological order with his career’s or I will critique your video.
I still tear up or cry, when people speaks about him!! I came sooo close of working with him as a dancer!!!
I always thought it was weird how it was shown that he and Diana were close friends. But in the 90s-you never saw her stand by him, neither did Sheryl Crow, or Madonna. I think that everyone was too cautious over the child allegations. But I never knew they were romatically involved. That's the craziest part to me, but MJ and Diana's dance skills on the Wiz are something that can never really be emulated.
@@rvegas81 *False Allegations
Diana read Michael, his dysfunctional family concerns, etc. She befriended him, he was a muse to her. How very disturbing. I always wondered about the song, Dirty Diana. I knew there was more to it, thew what we the public was lead to believe. Also, I knew about her love triangle with Cher and Gene Simmons. I read somewhere Cher was crushed, she meet Gene after breaking up with David Geffen. Thank you for sharing the bigger picture about Diana.
That is so sad because Michael could have been in a wonderful regular life. why family and other people traumatized him so bad.
Just like any woman in the industry she did what she did to get ahead. She didn’t care who she had to step all over get rid of get out of the way to make herself climb that ladder of success. It was trifling( don’t get me wrong) it’s a game and she knew how to play it well and dirty
In this lifestyle it's required to be honest if not they'll eat you alive !! Idk why they trynna taint her legacy ..
@@jessyncust76 She tainted her own.
@@jessyncust76 Look people can overlook that she can be with more than one man at a time,that she is willing in a somewhey use a man if she benefit from that,that he can steal someone else man.that is all morale bad thinks but whatever. ,the think that people shoudnt not overlook is what she did with michael.its a gross that is a pure grooming and its seems that she was effect to him until his death which is sad and mess up.i find a creepy someone who were in her twenties which was in diana case to date someone who they know from when they were kid....you can be talented and also be more than a fucked up individual.that is a big issue which unfortunally people overlook and maybe even glamourise in somewhay
@@anniep.8771 Oh STFU! U don't know what ur talking about. U weren't there!! Weird how Lmp bragged a/b sleeping w/ 24 men by her 18th B day and I judgmental h*es don't say a word about that!!
She was the JLo before the JLO
Listennnn, the stories that I heard about Diana made me give her the side eye.
Factssssss 😒
She’s nasty asf sleeping with Michael Jackson knowing him since he was 9 years old
Diana Ross is certainly one of my idols. Though she didn't have the greatest voice, but certainly has stage presence, and a sweetness that enthralled all different people of the world.
You shouldn’t have idols…..
im still in awe realizing that "leave me alone" might be for Diana too and not the paparazzi. or both. Michael's good with trying to hide real meanings of his songs lmaooo
Leave Me Alone was definitely about her:
“Time after time I gave you all of my money/ No excuses to make/
AIN’T NO MOUNTAIN THAT I CAN’T CLIMB, baby/ All is going my way…
I knew she and Michael were friends but I had no idea that she groomed him and had an improper relationship with him. I never liked her because she seemed like such a princess and now I really don't like her. I always had compassion for Michael despite all his issues because he had a horrible upbringing and now this. It explains so much!
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Projecting
She didn’t groom him 😊
@@User-gi9teur so weird lol
@@iLikeCok how am I weird?
Both Michael, and Diana two of the greatest musicians out there. That profession can be so stressful and demanding, enter in the love emotions of the human species and there can be problems. I still admire them both. Their music is a gift to us. We all make mistakes with love, it is an intense emotion . Sometimes their is painful rejection, we have to realize that.
You’re a sheep. The industry decides who’s successful and who is r. Wake up
He was a child?! Are you serious?! That's absolutely absurd. Stop worshipping humans, ffs
How true can this be when D was in his will as being one of the possible guardians of his children.
I did not know that about Michael and Diana. I knew he was obsessed about her but not why. Poor Michael he didn’t have a chance. She was a pro at manipulation since he was born…… She’s still a legend
People seldom reach this level of fame without being self obsessed, and once that level the rules change for them. Its hardly unique. I love her.
Underrated comment, I agree with you 100%.
Thank you for this enlightening video. I have been doing deep dives on Michael Jackson wanting to fully understand the truth of ALL he endured, as well as about his death. So I did come across things said about Ross and MJ … but there are so many lies out there I held back believing them … until hearing your findings. So again, thank you. Between getting beaten by his dad and then the way Ross treated him … any wonder another great reason for his fantasy estate to escape it all?!? Given all I have learned, not sure he would want to come back to do it again. Tina Turner stated towards the end of her life about her life that the negative outweighed the positive. May she rest in deep peace & love.
Wow I had no idea Dirty Diana was about Diana Ross! That’s my fave MJ song and now I wish I could hear the original!
I remember around my teenage years my mom introduced me to Mahogany and Lady Sings the Blues. I love her in those movies so much, and her style has always blown me away. I see bits of her in Tracee's acting sometimes lol (the vibrancy and big personality).
I agree. I actually enjoy her solo work. Mahogany is a great film! Her solo work isn't exactly as strong like Donna and Patti's -after 1980 for me. It's sort of like she tried way too hard and feel through the cracks.
Loved these two movies omg
That’s exactly how I was introduced to Diana added a couple of her old records with the supremes on the record player
I struggle with understanding the part with Michael. I remember in his book, Moonwalk, he referred to her as 'mother' and 'lover' in the same sentence - the Sigmund Freud vibes. I wonder how Diana felt about Brooke Shields, Lisa Marie Presley and Elizabeth Taylor.
I’m pretty sure Michael and Diana were seeing each other STILL even after all the manipulation (that’s what I call it anyway lol)
She was jealous as all hell. But she just wanted to make sure her hold on him was forever. She visited him in hospital in 1995 & it caused problems for Lisa Marie coz MJ allowed Diana but refused to see Lisa Marie. And Diana sat on his lap at the World Music Awards in 1996. She kept her claws in. Narcissistic relationships are hard to get over, Trauma bonds are hard to break. But she didn’t show up for his funeral coz she wouldn’t be the centre of attention.
Brooke said it was platonic , not a full sexual relationship. Lisa Marie stated in a TV interview Michael was only interested at the start, because he desperately wanted children. When she suggested they wait ( because she feared he wasn't mature enough for fatherhood) he instantly distanced himself & their marriage went downhill from there.
Kaylee You are being misled. Lisa was the one who was jealous, with very good reason. . MJ had Lisa removed from Beth Israel hosp. Before Diana even got there!. Diana had nothing to do with her being removed..
Also, MJ also asked Lisa NOT to come back and put her name on the 🚫list. He Also admitted that he only cared for Lisa as only a friend n said he wished her well, but had no further interest in her. ..It was always Diana for him...
Yes, and Lisa showed up at the funeral TO BE the center of attention after trashing him for 10 yrs straight bcuz he would not take her back...
Michael was 20 years old when the The Movie the Wiz was made in 1978. He was born 1958.
Okay?
Circa 1974..she was shopping in a famous department store NYC . I was a sales person there at the time. She walked over to me and said she loved my skirt. It was an authentic vintage very dark navy midi skirt from the 30s or 40s
I grew up listening to her music. It really spoke to my soul. So much emotion. Ain't no Mountain is one of my favorites by her. But I love many of her songs. When I heard her on the radio it was like she was there in the room speaking to anyone and everyone.
It's absolutely upsetting that Michael Jackson had to go through so much Michael Jackson didn't deserve the mistreatment that he had gotten himself into Michael Jackson didn't deserve this at all he absolutely didn't deserve the treatment at all the phone call he had was heartbreaking i don't think he deserve that nightmare the fact that people had the nerve to acuse him of stuff that wasn't even true I Don't get why people do this
4 veces absoluto jijijiji
4 veces absoluto jijijiji
4 veces absoluto jijijiji
4 veces absoluto jijijiji
My sister's mom was one of the supreme before it was 3 , there was 4.
2. My nephew's mom' grandmother is Diana's cousin.
3. My best friend that I grew up, great uncle is Greg Gordy' Berry older brother and use to tell us story about Michael Jackson, which I love. He always talks about how he helped with the business of Motown. I really miss those days. I have seen pictures of Michael and my friend. Michael was so kind and sweet.
I always loved MJ & feel he was demonized because he started to rail against the agenda & the spell acts were kept under
She is so beautiful and I loved her in Mahogany. My favorite songs from her are Upside Down and Love Hangover 💞
I knew Diana played with Michael’s heart but I was SHOOK to know this new informations about their relationship from you!! no wonder MJ’s fans hated her she played Michael left right and center 😭💔
How? You all are so dumb. You mean a boy who had a crush on someone who did not see him as a contender and she treated him like a child, as she should have. You are listening to a TH-camr who was not born in the 60's but the 2000's and getting her info from the internet...🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃
Diana Ross is a legend in the music business. She goes from being in the group called The Supremes in the 60s to leave the group to go solo. She did well as a solo artist selling millions of records and still making music and touring til this day. Berry Gordy did messed up the Supremes by playing favoritism toward her over Florence Ballard and Mary Wilson. Also, she didn’t have a lot of friends because there were a lot of people that didn’t like her personality. She also failed to make peace with The Supremes.
I love all three ladies so much! Have ten vinyls. But wrong is wrong. I liked it that Diana talked about this in interviews and her last studio album.
All of the original Supremes are dead and gone except Ross. We would have loved the reunion, but it never happen. Ross made peace with Mary Wilson before she died.
FLO and Mary didn’t have the voice. NEXT.
Yeah that was the case. They started feeling some resentment towards her. I don’t think Florence liked Diana.
The Michael and Diana relationship does not sit well with me AT ALL. I wonder what age he was when she started having romantic feelings for him? If I had kids I would keep them away from the industry.
I never looked up to or cared about her career or music.However hearing about her behaviour with MJ I feel disturbed I cannot fathom people ignoring the fact she met MJ at 9 and was allegedly intimate horrid.Worse than Leo Di Caprio weird for sure one should keep the same energy grooming children is wrong period.
Don’t believe everything you read or hear!
yes i agree. i never new this until i watched this. Im disgusted
Diana Ross didn’t even have the decency to attend his funeral. I have no respect for that thing.
She couldn't accept the truth and didn't want to see him that way in that casket
@@AlkalineInsides his casket was closed.
"that thing" 😭
😂😂😂😂😂@@MomoKanjaki
That wasn't his funeral, what was held at the Staples Centre, that was a service memorial for his fans. The proceeds were donated to charity.
We thank these people for their talents and that's all. We need nothing more...
You should be thanking god for what he gave them.
@@SoldierOfLoveForNow yes 👍🏾
@@SoldierOfLoveForNow hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahah hahahah hahahahahahahaha hahahahahah
@@SoldierOfLoveForNow😂😂
Girl you’re spilling tea for real I had no idea that that was even a situation I thought she was more of a mentor to Micheal
I’ve always admired Diana so much, but I had no idea she had so much drama in her life 👀 Great video Karine, thank you 🙏🏽
Is phedophile...a term used on when adult men compromise their adulthood dealing with minors or what?
@@bmoretruthful6403 True, but, unfortunately our society still has very clear double standards when it comes to women and crime. And even though their relationship was very questionable, we don’t really have any concrete evidence that she committed any crimes, so I personally wouldn’t accuse her for now, just my personal opinion
Dirty Diana 🤔
Yes, Miss Ross is a piece of work IRL. Glad I never met her! 🙂 😌 ☺️
I love Diana BIG EYES: I love beautiful big eyes. Diana is a legend and a beautiful woman!
It's the hair for me
@@tshidi129 that too 🥰
Its the fun loving captivating spirit for me. She's awesome...
Her eyeballs are wide with alot of white space and big but her pupils are not big, mines is bigger and my eyes are bigger.
Her eyes are not just big. They look like eggs and not cute
She out of my life was a real heart breaker , cause you can even hear him cry at the end of the song 🎵. I love dirty Diana. One reason cause I know it was made for her. Remember the time. (When we first met girl) then when he started holling at her like Do you remember girl …… on the phone you and me till dawn till 3:00 what about us girl. Who is it . ( who is it this time) I can’t stop loving you.( then if I stop then tell me just what would I do) That sounds like an obsession. And many more. Diana you broke Michael heart ❤️. SMH 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾💯💪🏽
Did everyone forget that Dreamgirls was inspired by the Supremes?
No one forgot stupid. This video is not talking about the actual group.
There is something about her eyes that makes me like her no matter what, her voice too!
I saw a video of Mrs. Katherine Jackson and Diana interaction 😂 Diana was happily singing while Mrs. Jackson maintain _POKER FACE_ expression throughout the entire performance HAHAHAHA
I was very shocked and disturbed that Diana Ross wasn’t at Michael Jackson’s funeral … I watched the whole funeral because it was televised and I didn’t see a trace of Diana Ross at all , after watching this video I wonder if the sour relationship they had is the reason why she wasn’t there
I bet his mum was like he'll no u cradle Robin b***h u nt gonna b at my boys funeral and I wouldn't blame her either
She sent a note that was read out. She said staying away “felt right” for her.
Debbie Rowe wasn't at the funeral either. Debbie is the mother of Michael's two eldest children and she is his ex-wife. I guess people have different ways of coping with grief. I would have personally wanted to be at the funeral to pay my respects but everyone is different. Michael mentioned Diana Ross in his will so he still loved her he wanted her to look after his children if his mother Katherine couldn't. As far as we know the will is genuine. I think there were other significant people in Michael Jackson's life who were not at his funeral. Many women seemed to like Michael Jackson. He said he wanted a woman who either didn't know who he was or had her own money/career. Diana Ross had her own money and career and she was there from early Motown days.
Uh she wasn’t there because she cried in her bed and couldn’t get up for a whole week
She is so beautiful and definitely an fashion icon. The music industry is wicked, we all know this. It changes people 😔