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@@reeseman1932 No. Some paper pusher in Allied office made template agreement for all treaties and used it everywhere . Sounds like problem we still have today.
@@Gh0stClown The funnier thing is that Versailles did not prevent Germany from claiming them, whereas Neuilly prevented the Bulgarians from claiming said lands. Also allies: NO SUBMARINES!!! Well, for Austria, that is. Well, and Bulgaria too. Oh yeah, we forgot about Hungary.
@@НиколаГеоргиев-ш2б you wanted it all and gave nothing back to us, even though we helped you liberate yourselves from the Ottomans. Thats why we had to fight you.
@@gludiousmaximus7918 So how many Serbs lived in Macedonia before 1912? Not more than 500 IIRC? It could be argued they died for the Independence of Serbia.
My nation and my family, specially on my mother's side (Their lineage is traced back to the byzantines), has always been enemies with the Bulgarians. But my grandfather used to say that the key word is not the "enemies" but the "always". They have always been there and always kept fighting. This is rare. I have nothing but respect for the Bulgarians and their percistance. They were truely worthy enemies and gave much glory to my ancestors. Though nowdays i am pretty sure they are our best friends out of our neighbours and most of the animosities have long died out. P.S. The story about the Bulgarian captain sinking his submarine and himself, actually made me cry.
Thank you for the kind words. Sad to see politicians that do not care for their countries. Still nice to have a consistant enemy. Be well and respects.
Great words thank you, even now many people in Bulgaria are desperate as they think that no one will let them be themselves and expect only hate from Europe like is a nation that is miserable to it's core. The politicians only steal money and glorify themselves as great people. Only thing that still gives hope is long past history.
Once an American reviewing the Bulgarian history summed it up that the Bulgarian identity was formed by the struggle against the Greco-Romans for independence and resistance against hellenization of the people/tribes inhabiting Moesia, Thrace and Macedonia, which is what drove Thracians, Slavs, Bulgars, Goths, Wallachians, Cumans an as many as over 30 ethnicities throughout the ages to intermingle and form the Bulgarian ethnicity. Yet current DNA studies show that the Bulgarians are most closely to Romanians, Northern Greeks...
Cheers mate! As a Bulgarian I think one thing we can agree on is that is we've come a long way in bilateral relations with our neighbours. I've always admired Greece's firm position on international issues and Greeks' willingness to voice their opinion when they need to through massive strikes and protests. It's something we can learn from around here. Hopefully we can prosper as two friendly nations together.
I employed Bulgarians in my business, all woman. Useless, desinterested, uncaring, demotivated, I like it though when Bulgaria beat Germany at the World Cup, hehe
@@eliza9799 Was he the one who when Ivan died he wanted to give his house to his brother, but the government stepped in as seized the house as a cultural monument?
@@trojan-not It was never said but rather speculated to whom Ivan wanted to give all his possessions cause after all they were at least 5 brothers in the family
As a Bulgarian I have to compliment your pronunciation of the Bulgarian names and places :) My family on my mother’s side were refugees from Macedonia after the war, they managed to settle and make a living in Sofia.
@@I.M.Mitrovski He said that he is Bulgarian, who are you to identify him as a Macedonian? Also there weren't any Macedonian after WW1, they were invented after 1944 from Tito.
I noticed how many commentators are surprised by the Bulgarian opening bid in the negotiations. I.e a defeated power asking for territory in the peace treaty. This is actually standard diplomatic practice in the 1850-1920 period, even today. You always open negotiations with a maximalist bid , since that maximizes your ability to "sacrifice" claims in order to build a image of accommodation. You make big claims in the hope that you can sacrifice them in order to keep what you really want. The Ottomans also opened their negotiations with maximalist calims (including Bulgarian territory). The question is if the claims you make are so spurious that everybody knows they are empty talk. i.e there is a fine line behind sacrificing something that pains you for keeping what you really want, and sacrificing empty dreams for keeping something you really want. But again, the Bulgarian state negotiations tactic is standard practice.
This is the first time I hear Ivan Vasov being introduced as the brother of general Vladimir Vasov. Usually is the other way around. Vladimir is introduced as brother of Ivan who is more famous than him in Bulgaria. I personally am fan of their older brother general Georgi Vasov who conquered Adrianopole in the first balkan war.
You did an excellent job in this video. There were a few minor mistakes like Todor Alexandrov being a general, while he did serve in the Bulgarian army he is famous for being the leader of VMRO (or IMRO in English) the Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization but explaining the organization could have taken an entire video itself. Anyway, I was amazed at how detailed and well researched the video was, keep up the great work!
@@narutomgm How did the local elite saw it, the local press, census numbers, self determination narratives etc etc? The population inhabiting the land was in favor of uniting with Bg or not? Did they want an union or rather autonomy? Ps: from what I know, some of the aromanian (vlach) population favoured local autonomy? Am I right?
You are one of the few history channels that do not almost completely disregard the importance of Bulgaria in both World Wars. Although the history of war crimes in Yugoslavia is highly contradictory (depending on the various sources), in general, you did a good job!
I guess civilians never had too much luck with invading armies, but it would be worth investigating if ww1 was especially brutal to conquered population or it is actually media warfare, to accuse the other side, of being inhumane. Interesting is, that it took a lot of time for military theorists or whoever to figure out that some soldiers werent actually shooting to kill. Since then they look for people who would not blink while killing you. Of course drugs like alcohol always did the trick i guess. Or something more powerful...
@@DelijeSerbia Serbs are taught that Bulgarians were monsters, Bulgarians are taught that Serbs massacred Bulgarians in Macedonia in order to "purify" the territory and to render Bulgarian claims irrelevant. Everyone's country propagates it's own interests and there are arguments and counter-arguments to support both sides. However, the truth is always somewhere in between all these narratives.
@@slaveykodimitrovstaripavlo7408 Except the one in Macedonia is supported by government documents, letters from your own chetniks, Serbian public outlets, etc, and the other one is several unrelated incidents and a lot of folk myths.
@@btrakiyski4697 The Bulgarian position is also supported by documents, photos, witness and historical reports, the hundreds of thousands of Bulgarians who fled the terror, and all this and much more encouraged the VMRO to resist the Serbian government. The fact that you are not familiar with the other side's arguments and evidences does not mean that they are fabricated.
"Our country borders itself" this phrase still occurs in Hungary today. The "treaty-shock" in the defeated (and very naive) countries made a much deeper trauma, that anybody could imagine at that time. I think not just the warfare of the Great War was completely new and terrible for the people but also the peace after it. Jessie as you pronounced the name of Miklós Horty was almost perfect! :) Great job guys, keep going!
Watching Jessie play modern mobile games is pretty cursed edit: I was just laughing at the fact that someone that is the face of early 20th century history was playing a mobile game
@@petkovmarin не знам дали си гледал, но в канала на Българска история имаше епизод за битка от ПСВ или за Ньойският "мир", но и там бяха споменали за този момент ала никъде в уикипедия не съм видял да пише за този случай, но съм склонен да повярвам заради куража и патриотизма на българските войници от това време.
This is what broke our will, I consider this the end of the period of Bulgaria known for self-determination, for heroism, bravery and success through sheer willpower and discipline
45 years of Sovietification is what destroyed the Bulgarian spirit. The result are lazy, whining, poorly educated and culturally subpar generations of people who cannot stand for themselves and expect that somebody else has to solve their problems - the Big Brother. In Bulgaria's case there is a Big Brother for real.
Question from western neighbor... not trying to make anyone angry, just to understand... how did it happen that Bulgaria's princes/kings at the end of 19th and beginning of 20th century were Germans? Don't think that it is only reason for problems between Bulgaria and Serbia, but I doubt that these people had interest of Bulgarian people as their priority...
@Baldur I am aware that it was same for Greece and Albania. For us, both dynasties from that time simply came from leaders of uprising against the Turks so I wondered why it was not the case for Bulgaria and Greece... Maybe the territories were deemed too important, strategically, as border between Turkey, Russia and Germans, so greater powers wanted to make sure that their interest are protected... Thanks for reply, cheers
My great-grandfather Vasil Dimitrov who was given a Cross for Bravery during the combats in Dobrudja in 1916, died in the battles in what is now called Northern Macedonia, at Elevation 1050, near Bitola, defending the local Bulgarian population with his brothers in arms from the 8th Marine Regiment of Varna on the last day before it all ended there. September 28, 1918. Strangely, his granddaughter, my mother, was born on the same day 22 years later... His name is still standing on the memorial gates of the 8th Regiment in Varna, Bulgaria, with other almost 700 names of soldiers and officers from the regiment who sacrificed themselves during the Balkan Wars and the Great War. His grave, however, is unknown due to the policy of the Yugoslavian government after the war to clean up all traces of any Bulgarian presence in Macedonia including destruction of graveyards and memorials. Never forget Neuilly! Glory to Bulgaria! Some day Justice will prevail! 🇧🇬 P.S. for the record: the Bitola Inscription from the XI century says Ivan Vladislav, King of Bulgaria, nephew of Samuil, King of Bulgaria, built the fortress of Bitola for the Bulgarians. This little note is to all who will try to ask ridiculous questions about the presence of Bulgarians in what is (for now) known as Northern Macedonia and their attempts to unite the lost Bulgarian lands with predominant Bulgarian population.
Yeaaaaaah..., tell that to all the happy nations who either reemerged after being wiped off the map or those who's people have been under foreign subjugation.
Congratulations on the accurate and objective analysis, especially putting the facts in the historical context. It is a rare achievement. I sign up for Curiosity Stream. Thank you from Bulgaria
NO. The Allies never occupied Bulgaria. First, General Vazov stopped them. After they made a breach at Dobro pole, the Bulgarian soldiers mutinied. So the Allies waited for the chain of command to fall apart, and didn't risk any more casualties. The plan paid off: Bulgaria surrendered and saved them the cost of an occupation.
"War to end all wars!" *Said war create enough problems to sustain a thousand more wars* The funniest thing is that every country that wanted to rely on Wilsonian self determination never got it. Also the British and French government is just being super lazy copy pasting Versailles treaty. Can they not even bother a moment to look over and actually think about the details for that particular region? Well nothing new here, considering how poorly they partitioned the middle east. EDIT: Mussolini don't care if he did poorly in the election. He'll get in to power by force :P
Another great episode. Could I recommend an episode on the Franco-Syrian war? It's something I know of, but actually very little about. I would imagine that most other viewers would find it enlightening
As a Macedonian from nowadays North Macedonia (and former Vardar Macedonia), I thank you for the video. We definitely need more neutral history videos like this.
Thanks Naum, I appreciate that. We deal with a lot of sensitive topics in the 1919-1923 period and we put a lot of effort into trying to be historically responsible and balanced!
All countries in the Balkans are like amputees, missing a part of their body that was cut off. The story of ethnic cleansing, refugees, lost homelands is our common national history. But I feel that the historical enmity is slowly dying out. As a Greek I wish the countrys around Greece where rich and prosperous so we can trade and do business and have too much to live for to go to war again.
@BulgaroSlav Get a grip mate, you remind me of the crabs in a bucket who grab another crab if it tries to crawl out. The whole region is economically stunted, you are not in competition with Greece and Romania but with a world market who is speeding to the future and has no love lost for any of us. You think Germany and France got rich during wartime? They got rich during peace. And with wealth they gain power and the people gain their self respect - now no one there is fussing for Alsace Lorraine or east Prussia anymore, they have better things to do. Thankfully most people are not edgy nihilist atheists like you and see the benefit in having peace.
So what you’re saying is this president had made a stupid decision proposing point that would supposedly make things better, why do you agree that some of the points made in his “14” points, I will admit there are some at that don’t exactly fit into how the ending of a war works.
20:07 - You can argue that the ideal for national unification had dated back to Bulgaria's liberation, following the treaty of San Stefano 1878 and later the same year the Berlin congress which carved up Bulgarian lands, leaving less than a third of them intact. It's one of those sick jokes of history where the Russians gave us our dream state, only together with the great powers to take most of it away later
@@aksmex2576 Your question didn't really had any connection to what he wrote, it feels more like you try to blame someone for something that your more familiar with and feel great about your ignorance. Real answer to your question is: "Do you feel as a muslim, understanding enough of other cultures so you could live in peace with them or your religion is the greatest and should be spread by force if needed?" That's the whole point because the vast majority or muslims in the middle east are still in the middle ages, you need your golden age of literature and science.
@@dragasinbrankovic , well atleast we knew where we`re coming from and you didn`t. Also I am glad that my country is not named "Servia". Even today you`re serves to RuZZia and back in the day your contry was always servents to someone even to bulgarians.
I have said it before but I had to say it again: You did an amazing work Jesse I think you were destined to continue this series. I'm looking forward to the next episode especially next year's Treaty of Trianon. P.S: I hope you will add the video about Horthy's entering to Budapest on a white horse :)
I`m so sick that Western Europeans are drawing borders in the Balkans ever since Russians and Balkanians drove Ottomans from these lands. Same happened in the Middle East that is actually West Asia where British were drawing the borders so no wonder 100yrs later majority of ethnic conflicts are in these areas and somehow Brits and US are always involved. Time for us in the Balkans to take our fate in our own hands, we have very similar cultural backround, very rich history that is one of the oldest and most important in the World, why would we be puppet states of crony Western elite? We should make our own decentralized union of independent states with open borders, open economy between us not foreign capital allowed and military alliance.
Yugoslavia was one such idea, even Bulgaria was invited to join it as the 7th republic. People of the Balkans do not posses a sense of greatness and pragmatism for such things like Germans and Italians did during their unification. That is our lot sadly, we aren't primitive because we are poor, we are poor because we are primitive.
@@asagadam550 Due to the serbians. Now try that again but everyone has their own country. And you cant use yugoslavia as an example since the balkans is much more than just South slavs.
I thank you, and the Great War crew for covering the harshes of the war upon Bulgaria. This was an atempt by the western powers to destroy Bulgaria. I have grandparents, who told me that in these times, it was very hard to live, no food, no job, thievery, roaming bandits and thugs. Bulgaria joined the Central powers, not because of the love for them, only to reunite with Macedonia and all of the other places that were inahabitet with most or a large majority of Bulgarians. I give my apologies to the serbians of our massacres against them, all balkan countries should live in peace and prosperity, not kill each other, because no one of us is absolutely right, we are a instrument in the hands of great powers.
@@dimostychalas9716 If you don't know, Bulgaria didn't have a choice. Germany's armies were at Romania and Yugloslavia, trying to reach Greece, what should a country do ? Don't let them in and be exterminated ?
@@КрасимирПетров-к4ч What do you mean by Germany wanting to go through Bulgaria to get to Greece? Coz they could go through Vardar valley which would at that time be part of Serbia. Unless you mean that they wanted to get through parts that used to be part of Kingdom of Serbia before WWI that at that point Bulgaria has occupied in 1915? Because if it's the later, I can't fathom how did your politicians expect things to go so that you wouldn't end up fighting the Entante and therefore become part of the Central powers if you attacked a member of Entante while they were fighting Central powers?!?
People smart enough will understand that borders on the Balkans were not drawn to favor anyone living there, but to favor imperialistic west. Bulgarians are my brothers, no matter the wars we had, they are my blood, and I will always stand with them rather than anglo-saxons.
Actually, the actions of Stamboliyski during the rebellion are not so clear. We know that together with representatives of other political parties he did give speeches to the insurgent soldiers urging them to at least wait until the coming armistice becomes a fact. It was his close associate Rayko Daskalov who took command of the rebels and proclaimed the so called "Radomir Republic" with Stamboliyski as head of state; the actual participation of the agrarian leader into this segment of the events is quite doubtful. He certainly knew he could be suspected though as he went into hiding during the bloody aftermath.
@@jeffkarin7894 the real macedonia is basicly what greece has and the real macedonians are greeks only Monastiri in southern vardarska is part of macedonia and therefore belongs to greece the rest is thrace and peonia its only called macedonia because thats how the ottomans made the province of macedonia in their empire vardarskans are bulgarians not macedonians
@@DacLMK The byzantine empire is short for Eastern Roman Empire. It was Greek. Roman at the time meant Christian Greek. Greeks called themselves Romans all the way to the 20th century. We still do secondarily. Cope harder. Modern Greece is the empire itself reborn from its ashes and we will liberate our Capital!!!
Great episode - thank you a lot for the effort. I have only one small remark - breaking the pen after signing the treaty is one of these classical myths in history - you know, to show that ever beaten you have the upper hand.
Will you at one point cover what manela called "the Wilsonian moment". Because from my point of view everyone you covered who was arguing on the basis of Wilson's 14 point could be interpreted as prove that such a Wilsonian moment did exist
It was in the national interest of greece at the time to weaken bulgaria as much as possible, since we were national enemies from the time of the byzantines, while having mutual claims to a lot of territories. Also, North Macedonia was not supposed to be independent. That's why the greek government had no problem refering to it as "macedonia" while it was a federal yugoslav state, but tensions rose once it declared independence.
@@dinospapa7413 And since you can't face us in an open war conflict (you just can't compare to Bulgarian army), you decided to pretend to be an ally while you achieve your interests in Aegean Sea, and then stab a knife in our back! This is typical for you since the dawn of time...
Majority of population in Macedonia and Aegean Macedonia ware Macedonian ethnicity Unfortunately we couldn’t have plebiscite to express our view.We ware under Roman Turkish Serbian Bulgarian occupation. During First World War and balkans wars most struggle and population lost was pure Macedonian population . Macedonian ware forcefully conscripted in Bulgarian and Serbian army . If you research the topic you will find many documents which are providing facts. Vmro was Macedonian revolutionaries organisation which main goal was Macedonian independence or autonomy in with in Bulgarian state. Protugerov and Aleksandrov only they supported Bulgarian they ware promised autonomy in Bulgarian state and reunification to all Macedonian from VARDAR , Pirin and Aegean Macedonia . Macedonian ware forced out from Aegean Macedonia over 300k population all over the world ethnic cleansing exchange of population with Turkey done by new Greek state originally created by Bavarian king Otto 1833 -1863 then his successor was king George . This exchange of population totally change the demographics to Aegean Macedonia Second ethnic cleansing was done in post Second World War during Civil war Macedonian ware on side of the Greek communist party they ware promised recognition and autonomy in new Greek post communist state. Unfortunately again Macedonian struggle did not aligned with geopolitical interests of the British and French. Finally we got our independence 1945 as part of federation of Yugoslavia
All of these treaties show why beforehand it was so common to have a neutral arbitrator. While the US was an ally, it spent far less time in the war and had not faced much of a threat to its own territory. In each treaty, the US advocated not for vengeance but for a fair peace. They wanted milder terms that, instead of furthering division, would create stable nations and a more stable peace. This was what most of the central powers expected to receive. Instead, France and Britain made hotheaded decisions that would strengthen their own allies, benefit themselves, and leave receiving powers as future enemies, fueled by resentment.
Thats not True. USA wanted something out of everything. You are spreading propaganda of USA Being some country that wants peace all around the world when thats not True
@@koliopompenshtain Because for a surprise attack like the kind you launched against Serbia in WW1 Japan got, a few decades later: 2 nuclear bombs, millions of killed, a postwar occupation force that wrote them a new constitution and also lost huge chunks of territory. Bulgaria instead only lost a small town and a little bit of land.
Minor mapping mistake spotted; at some points in the video you show the territory Bulgaria ceded to Greece as being exactly identical to the Greek province of Thrace. That is not 100% correct though. While most of Greek (AKA "western") Thrace was indeed held by Bulgaria between 1912 to 1919, the area that is adjacent to Adrianople(the northern part of the Evros district) as well as a small piece to the south near the river delta, actually remained in ottoman control until the end of WWI and the finalization of Greek-Turkish border, so the area Bulgaria controlled did not exactly correspond with the modern Greek province of Thrace, at least when it comes to some parts near the Turkish border... lots of other videos make this mistake on their maps because it's an easy to miss detail and they tend to copy each other so the error gets repeated, but it is incorrect.
If only we didnt had an outsider for a leader and Ur leader for 1885 wasnt influenced by another power. They were scared. You stoped them for a damn year. Imagine if Balkan union came in ww1. It wouldve been 2 year war at best. A&H wouldve seen Belgrade only on pictures in few months war. Instead of wasting lives and resources in second Balkan war we wouldve raised a huge defence for against the talentless mess aka A&H. The entente was also sending troops in the dozens of divisions.
A word of advice from a history teacher, I do make a fuss about it when one of my students doesn't know it and I hold it very important to make a distinction in nomenclature. What I mean by that is that the state which unified Croats, Serbs and Slovenes dominantly was called from the 1st of December 1918 and until 6th of January 1929 - Kingdom of the Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, after the 6th of January 1929, the state was officially called Kingdom of Yugoslavia, right up until 17th of April 1941 when the ceasefire was signed.
This map of Bulgarian Thrace is just slightly off. It should mostly but not entirely correspond to Greece's "Western Thrace" province. That province took it's current shape after some additional territorial swaps that involved the Ottomans to make the Marica River the border between Turkey and Greece. The territory Bulgaria lost is slightly different. Anyway very interesting episode.
Romania made the biggest mistake in its history by occupying Southern Dobruja, which eliminated any chance of friendship between Romania and Bulgaria until 1945.
@@ninaakari5181 We (bulgarians) love Hungary, as both countries have the same tragic fate to border with themselves after WWI. We and the magyars were allies many times in the centuries VIII-X AD and since then we respect each other a lot.
While if they lost and still speak I guess you got to kill more until they stop speaking? I mean at least some Khan's had an idea on how total war works.
I'm years late, but what is your source on the Bulgarian submarine committing suicide? I looked into this and could find no record of UB-8 ("Submarine No. 18", in the Royal Bulgarian Navy) doing such an act. Wikipedia states that it was surrendered per the armistice terms, before sinking at some point.
I looked for sources in Bulgarian but found only records of its service against the Russians. Apparently it was sank after the end of WWI and found in Bulgarian waters near Varna 2011. Given the strong Soviet/Russian influence in Bulgaria, which is only beginning to wane now, it is quite possible that the story was suppressed as were many other stories of Bulgarians fighting Russians. (See the video on General Ivan Kolev in this series.) I learned of the battle of Balchik only now. The Wikipedia page in Bulgarian adds nothing more to the one in English:
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Entente: “Self-Determination for everyone! Except only for the people we decide to give it too and only if the entente doesn’t have to fight to get it for you.”
Horror movie for modern "North Macedonians" to find themselves within an argument of national identity where Serbia claims they are Slavs, Bulgaria says they are Bulgarians and the US says "i have no idea".
Friend, Bulgarians are Slavs and are the closest to Eastern Slavs from the entire Balkans. You are an idiot, yes we have 750,000 Roma minority, but we are Slavs more than Serbs and Croats. Bulgarians developed Russophobia because the Russians betrayed them several times. You are an idiot I'm sorry.
There is nothing "partial" about the Bulgarian victory at Doiran. It was 100%. Read the memoirs of General Miln. Just like the Allied victory at Dobro pole was also 100%.
The people who drew up all these treaties must have been smoking opium. 🙄 Nobody ends up being happy. Must be a great job. But I'm still impressed with Jesse's knack for pronunciation!
I guess every compromise should by definition leave every side involved unhappy, yet not so enraged to withdraw. Thing is, losers did not have a say. After all, they were... Hmm., losers?
I think we all understand "to the victor goes the spoils" but it just seems like not everything the losers wanted to have concessions on was just for selfish ambition and the victor's would have been smart to take into account the reality on the ground. I suppose it could be the mentality of the day: I win; I get what I want. Or 😝 to the losers.
@@hannahskipper2764 i think they were actually more interested in creating conflicts for the future war. War is business. Plus real winner in these conflicts were the us, where european countries bled themselves to death twice within 30 years
The seizure of Bulgaria from Turkey was a greatest mistake of Russia in 1877 ... Bulgaria was shrunk from the Serbian and Tatar territories. The entire western third of Bulgaria is Serbian, spoken Serbian and whose inhabitants differ in appearance and mentality from the Turkic people of Central and Eastern Bulgaria. And therefore, Western Slavic Bulgaria should be returned to Serbia, and Eastern Turkic to be returned to Turkey.
Something that could have been included on the 11th in the Roundup was *_The Centralia Massacre-_* also known as the _Armistice Day Riot-_ where members of the Industrial Workers of The World (IWW) clashed with those of the Veterans group The American Legion during the Armistice Day Parade in the town of Centralia, Washington. The bloody violence resulted in 6 deaths (including a Deputy Sheriff and the local American Legion Post Commander) and 4 wounded in total on both sides- with multiple IWW members arrested, and 7 ultimately convicted in a trial that attracted National Media attention. This event also contributed to the _First Red Scare_ (1919-1920) in the United States. (I learned this particular obscure bit of history in High School- having grown up in the neighboring town of Chehalis.)
Also, while without a doubt belonging on the political Left, Stamboliyski and his party had small private agrarian landholdings rather than public ownership of the land as the base of their economic policy and larger ideology, so classifying them as "socialist" sounds a bit strange.
The grand children of those who gave their blood for Bulgaria today saying that they are not Bulgarians but ''macedonians''!!! We live in a crazy, crazy world.
I gotta give respect to Bulgaria since the 1st Balkan War up to WW1 but who is their right mind says "I'm gonna fight you all" enter Turkey and Romania right after Greece and Serbia.
That Saxen Coburg Ferdinand and a bunch of his asslickers ... they got too arrogant and confident and they thought they can beat Greece and Serbia together (they probably could beat them). They attacked Greece for daring to take Thessaloniki, imagine... But they DIDN'T EXPECT Romania and Turkey to join !!! There was nobody to defend the same fat Coburg from being captured by the Romanians. So he capitulated.
Not exactly how it went down. We attacked one country only. But Serbia and Greece had signed a pact, so both joined the war. Then so did turkey and Romania. We didn’t attack on four sides, that would be suicidal.
We would only fight the Greeks and the Serbs. Romania and Turkey attack us from behind, and win without a real fight because there is no army to repel them.
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Six years after this contract due to defected dog almost started a war between Bulgaria and Greece. However, the conflict ended with border skirmishes.
Great video and very interesting facts! One of them however makes me curious - at 12:48 is said that Bulgaria had to "retain access to the sea via the free port of Alexandroupolis". Can you share some sources of this statement as I couldn't find anything related to it? Thanks in advance and once again - thank you for this video! Greetings from Bulgaria!
When Bulgaria couldn't pay its reparations, the Greeks sabotaged this clause. Bulgaria complained, but was politically isolated after losing the war and nothing happened.
In the 1800's the Bulgarians, who were in the Turkish army then, took over Egypt for a while. That is why the Egyptian clause was in there, other wise the Bulgarian had an excuse to make trouble, technically. i bet Morocco clause was a similar reason, but i don't know.
tommy14 No, the reason behind the clauses was that the treaty was a direct copy to that of Versailles to some extend. There was no point in the clauses, that’s what Jessie is trying to say.
So, in summary, every time I cross the border to go the Mediterranean or to Ohrid ans Skopie I have to thank the French and British diplomats for thinking for us. Isn't it very nice?
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@@reeseman1932 No. Some paper pusher in Allied office made template agreement for all treaties and used it everywhere . Sounds like problem we still have today.
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"Bulgaria renounce all claims to the ... British Protectorate in Egypt". Are the Allies sane enough to make a treaty? Seriously?
Bulgarian navy : has one submarine
Allies : there was a chance Bulgaria can annex Egypt and Marroco
That's what happens when you copy+paste Versailles for your treaty with Bulgaria.
Jevin Liu And you thought that copy/paste was invented with computers... ;)
@@Gh0stClown The funnier thing is that Versailles did not prevent Germany from claiming them, whereas Neuilly prevented the Bulgarians from claiming said lands.
Also allies: NO SUBMARINES!!! Well, for Austria, that is. Well, and Bulgaria too. Oh yeah, we forgot about Hungary.
@@jevinliu4658 Banning submarines for landlocked Hungary wouldn't have been out of place, considering the general level of insanity of these treaties.
Bulgaria has 1 submarine*
Britain: he is too dangerous to be kept alive
Hello there
@@MrGreghome general Kenobi!
@@yakob4137 "... you are a bold one"
As a Bulgarian I can say that your pronunciation of the Bulgarian names are pretty much on point.
I did my best!
@@gludiousmaximus7918 Surely, many Bulgarians claim the same about Serbia :D
@@НиколаГеоргиев-ш2б you wanted it all and gave nothing back to us, even though we helped you liberate yourselves from the Ottomans. Thats why we had to fight you.
you wanted all of macedonia for yourselves, even though many serbs died to liberate bulgaria...
@@gludiousmaximus7918 So how many Serbs lived in Macedonia before 1912? Not more than 500 IIRC?
It could be argued they died for the Independence of Serbia.
My nation and my family, specially on my mother's side (Their lineage is traced back to the byzantines), has always been enemies with the Bulgarians. But my grandfather used to say that the key word is not the "enemies" but the "always". They have always been there and always kept fighting. This is rare. I have nothing but respect for the Bulgarians and their percistance. They were truely worthy enemies and gave much glory to my ancestors. Though nowdays i am pretty sure they are our best friends out of our neighbours and most of the animosities have long died out.
P.S. The story about the Bulgarian captain sinking his submarine and himself, actually made me cry.
Thank you for the kind words.
Sad to see politicians that do not care for their countries.
Still nice to have a consistant enemy.
Be well and respects.
Great words thank you, even now many people in Bulgaria are desperate as they think that no one will let them be themselves and expect only hate from Europe like is a nation that is miserable to it's core. The politicians only steal money and glorify themselves as great people. Only thing that still gives hope is long past history.
Once an American reviewing the Bulgarian history summed it up that the Bulgarian identity was formed by the struggle against the Greco-Romans for independence and resistance against hellenization of the people/tribes inhabiting Moesia, Thrace and Macedonia, which is what drove Thracians, Slavs, Bulgars, Goths, Wallachians, Cumans an as many as over 30 ethnicities throughout the ages to intermingle and form the Bulgarian ethnicity.
Yet current DNA studies show that the Bulgarians are most closely to Romanians, Northern Greeks...
Cheers mate! As a Bulgarian I think one thing we can agree on is that is we've come a long way in bilateral relations with our neighbours. I've always admired Greece's firm position on international issues and Greeks' willingness to voice their opinion when they need to through massive strikes and protests. It's something we can learn from around here. Hopefully we can prosper as two friendly nations together.
Thank you bro! In fact we are now allies...
"Ivan Vazov, brother of the famous general Vladimir Vazov"
They are usually referenced the other way around...
Hahaha, but yeah. I recently found ehat happened actually to Vladimir and the Vazov family and was stunned and disgusted to my core
I employed Bulgarians in my business, all woman. Useless, desinterested, uncaring, demotivated, I like it though when Bulgaria beat Germany at the World Cup, hehe
@@eliza9799 Was he the one who when Ivan died he wanted to give his house to his brother, but the government stepped in as seized the house as a cultural monument?
@@trojan-not It was never said but rather speculated to whom Ivan wanted to give all his possessions cause after all they were at least 5 brothers in the family
As a 25 year old Bulgarian I just found out from this video that Ivan Vazov had a famous brother military general
As a Bulgarian I have to compliment your pronunciation of the Bulgarian names and places :)
My family on my mother’s side were refugees from Macedonia after the war, they managed to settle and make a living in Sofia.
greece or FYROM ?
You are not Bulgarian or Tatar..You are Macedonian.
@@I.M.Mitrovskibullshit
моите предци също са избягали в софия след войната
@@I.M.Mitrovski He said that he is Bulgarian, who are you to identify him as a Macedonian? Also there weren't any Macedonian after WW1, they were invented after 1944 from Tito.
“Bulgaria must renounce its claims to French Morocco and British Egypt”
B-but meh dreams of a Bulgarian Kaĭro and Rabat...
Michael Zheng who doesn’t remember that famous painting of the Bulgarian king on horseback, looking at the Sphinx 😁
@Zhor'i Ambassador old bad prepared treaties be like: No Bulgaria ya can't have Antarctica
@Claudio Canavaro Next stop - China!! I don't even care! We obviously started to invade Africa, so whats the problem? Lol
There is always Victoria 2 for that.
That sounds like such a kaiserredux thing that I don't be surprised if they do that.
It is so refreshing to hear a foreigner pronounce Bulgarian names without mangling them horribly. A job well done!
That Bulgarian Submarine Captain was like "Ima keep it real with u Britain, I don't want to play Raid: Shadow Legends."
Marshall Gaunt my sides are in orbit lmao
Anyone know if the Bulgarian submarine was built in Bulgaria or bought from Germany or Austria?
Maybe it was built by the ottomans to try and get Bulgaria to forget the Balkan wars
@@LuckystrikeNQ SM UB-8
I noticed how many commentators are surprised by the Bulgarian opening bid in the negotiations. I.e a defeated power asking for territory in the peace treaty. This is actually standard diplomatic practice in the 1850-1920 period, even today. You always open negotiations with a maximalist bid , since that maximizes your ability to "sacrifice" claims in order to build a image of accommodation. You make big claims in the hope that you can sacrifice them in order to keep what you really want. The Ottomans also opened their negotiations with maximalist calims (including Bulgarian territory). The question is if the claims you make are so spurious that everybody knows they are empty talk.
i.e there is a fine line behind sacrificing something that pains you for keeping what you really want, and sacrificing empty dreams for keeping something you really want. But again, the Bulgarian state negotiations tactic is standard practice.
Thanks for that bit of context, Konstantinos.
You are very accurate, great explanation, I have to grant you that.
@@vasil.kamdzhalov Thank you, I appreciate that.
@sciphynuts Pupin was a physicist - physician is a medical doctor. And also had Jovan Cvijić, a brilliant geographer and ethnographer.
@Иван Николов Георгиев ok. Happy New Year
Bulgaria having to give up morocco and egypt was the real catastrophe
Hear from 10:53... and you will corect your mistake.
We never had morroco and egypt
@@zkilerex9661 ...not with that atitude
@@AndreiTache im bulgarian and i know my country so stfu
Those two protectorates shall return under Bulgarian rule at some point!
This is the first time I hear Ivan Vasov being introduced as the brother of general Vladimir Vasov. Usually is the other way around. Vladimir is introduced as brother of Ivan who is more famous than him in Bulgaria. I personally am fan of their older brother general Georgi Vasov who conquered Adrianopole in the first balkan war.
You did an excellent job in this video. There were a few minor mistakes like Todor Alexandrov being a general, while he did serve in the Bulgarian army he is famous for being the leader of VMRO (or IMRO in English) the Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization but explaining the organization could have taken an entire video itself.
Anyway, I was amazed at how detailed and well researched the video was, keep up the great work!
Do you know of any videos describing the situation as it was seen from Vardar Macedonia in those times?
@@icarusswings what do you mean by as seen Vardar Macedonia. I don't think you would find many videos about the situation in English.
@@narutomgm How did the local elite saw it, the local press, census numbers, self determination narratives etc etc? The population inhabiting the land was in favor of uniting with Bg or not? Did they want an union or rather autonomy?
Ps: from what I know, some of the aromanian (vlach) population favoured local autonomy? Am I right?
"If someone says I'm not Macedonian, I will cut his tongue, if someone says I'm Bulgarian, I will cut his head" - Todor Aleksandrov
@@icarusswings I shall recommend you the channel of Samuel's Fortress and Bobby's Perspective's video "Am I really Macedonian?".
Your ability to present these historic events in an unbiased way is admirable.
You are one of the few history channels that do not almost completely disregard the importance of Bulgaria in both World Wars. Although the history of war crimes in Yugoslavia is highly contradictory (depending on the various sources), in general, you did a good job!
How could we? The events of September 1918, in particular, are important to understanding the end of the war...
I guess civilians never had too much luck with invading armies, but it would be worth investigating if ww1 was especially brutal to conquered population or it is actually media warfare, to accuse the other side, of being inhumane. Interesting is, that it took a lot of time for military theorists or whoever to figure out that some soldiers werent actually shooting to kill. Since then they look for people who would not blink while killing you. Of course drugs like alcohol always did the trick i guess. Or something more powerful...
@@DelijeSerbia Serbs are taught that Bulgarians were monsters, Bulgarians are taught that Serbs massacred Bulgarians in Macedonia in order to "purify" the territory and to render Bulgarian claims irrelevant. Everyone's country propagates it's own interests and there are arguments and counter-arguments to support both sides. However, the truth is always somewhere in between all these narratives.
@@slaveykodimitrovstaripavlo7408 Except the one in Macedonia is supported by government documents, letters from your own chetniks, Serbian public outlets, etc, and the other one is several unrelated incidents and a lot of folk myths.
@@btrakiyski4697 The Bulgarian position is also supported by documents, photos, witness and historical reports, the hundreds of thousands of Bulgarians who fled the terror, and all this and much more encouraged the VMRO to resist the Serbian government. The fact that you are not familiar with the other side's arguments and evidences does not mean that they are fabricated.
"Our country borders itself" this phrase still occurs in Hungary today. The "treaty-shock" in the defeated (and very naive) countries made a much deeper trauma, that anybody could imagine at that time. I think not just the warfare of the Great War was completely new and terrible for the people but also the peace after it.
Jessie as you pronounced the name of Miklós Horty was almost perfect! :) Great job guys, keep going!
Köszi!
Wow, It's is a very new perspective for me!
@Plamen Stoev Wow, It's is a very new perspective for me!
@@jessealexander2695 and this was perfect! :)
@Plamen Stoev Our ancestors are common as well :)
Watching Jessie play modern mobile games is pretty cursed
edit: I was just laughing at the fact that someone that is the face of early 20th century history was playing a mobile game
If the games had a World War 1 thematic, would it be less cursed?
@@TheCimbrianBull Would at least be more topical.
Just let them have their sponsors man
Ok ya it's cursed af but we gotta let them make money
they have given us hundreds of hours of free content and you are whining about one minute of ad content.
The sad story of the only WW1 Bulgarian submarine and its captain...
Well, as a Bulgarian and a man who likes history I've never heard for that so I don't believe its true.
@@petkovmarin Lmao okay.
@@petkovmarin не знам дали си гледал, но в канала на Българска история имаше епизод за битка от ПСВ или за Ньойският "мир", но и там бяха споменали за този момент ала никъде в уикипедия не съм видял да пише за този случай, но съм склонен да повярвам заради куража и патриотизма на българските войници от това време.
@@petkovmarin Вярваш или не, случката е истина
@@mart4144 Can confirm years later, Bulgaria's only submarine (UB-8) was surrendered. I can find no record of its "suicide".
This is what broke our will, I consider this the end of the period of Bulgaria known for self-determination, for heroism, bravery and success through sheer willpower and discipline
You are wrong, the true defeat was the Soviet occupation of 1944. Since then Bulgaria stopped existing as a sovereign country.
45 years of Sovietification is what destroyed the Bulgarian spirit. The result are lazy, whining, poorly educated and culturally subpar generations of people who cannot stand for themselves and expect that somebody else has to solve their problems - the Big Brother. In Bulgaria's case there is a Big Brother for real.
Kostya I don’t think so, I think it’s the fact they lost 3 wars in a row and just lost the stomach to fight again like France
Question from western neighbor... not trying to make anyone angry, just to understand... how did it happen that Bulgaria's princes/kings at the end of 19th and beginning of 20th century were Germans?
Don't think that it is only reason for problems between Bulgaria and Serbia, but I doubt that these people had interest of Bulgarian people as their priority...
@Baldur I am aware that it was same for Greece and Albania. For us, both dynasties from that time simply came from leaders of uprising against the Turks so I wondered why it was not the case for Bulgaria and Greece...
Maybe the territories were deemed too important, strategically, as border between Turkey, Russia and Germans, so greater powers wanted to make sure that their interest are protected...
Thanks for reply, cheers
My great-grandfather Vasil Dimitrov who was given a Cross for Bravery during the combats in Dobrudja in 1916, died in the battles in what is now called Northern Macedonia, at Elevation 1050, near Bitola, defending the local Bulgarian population with his brothers in arms from the 8th Marine Regiment of Varna on the last day before it all ended there. September 28, 1918. Strangely, his granddaughter, my mother, was born on the same day 22 years later...
His name is still standing on the memorial gates of the 8th Regiment in Varna, Bulgaria, with other almost 700 names of soldiers and officers from the regiment who sacrificed themselves during the Balkan Wars and the Great War.
His grave, however, is unknown due to the policy of the Yugoslavian government after the war to clean up all traces of any Bulgarian presence in Macedonia including destruction of graveyards and memorials.
Never forget Neuilly! Glory to Bulgaria!
Some day Justice will prevail! 🇧🇬
P.S. for the record: the Bitola Inscription from the XI century says Ivan Vladislav, King of Bulgaria, nephew of Samuil, King of Bulgaria, built the fortress of Bitola for the Bulgarians.
This little note is to all who will try to ask ridiculous questions about the presence of Bulgarians in what is (for now) known as Northern Macedonia and their attempts to unite the lost Bulgarian lands with predominant Bulgarian population.
Makedonija za Makedoncite 🇲🇰!❤️💛
To me it's pretty painful seeing how men tear apart the world and you are just powerless to do anything.
yeah, I really hate how they have that mobile game ad now too, really ticked off right now
At least when I am gone I'll not be alone with this thought heh :)
Yeaaaaaah..., tell that to all the happy nations who either reemerged after being wiped off the map or those who's people have been under foreign subjugation.
Europe: I’m gonna take some China land
Japan: me too!
Europe: NO U
Japan:ITS MANCHUKO TIME
Respect for Bulgaria! from Romania!
@Kafa kafica Nice map you got there on your profile pic, sadly it's not accurate....
@@random_dudeonyt697 well atleast better and interesting more, than your hentai $hit. Lame a$$
@@nekjevecnasrbijaisrbskirod xddd you are funny
@@random_dudeonyt697 well truth sometimes sounds funny, sometimes roothless 🤣
@@nekjevecnasrbijaisrbskirod The truth that sounds funny is that you have written rOOthless
Congratulations on the accurate and objective analysis, especially putting the facts in the historical context. It is a rare achievement. I sign up for Curiosity Stream.
Thank you from Bulgaria
One bulgarian sub: *exists,
Allies: Hippety-hoppety, you are now our property!
Mathias Bartl
*Bulgarian Captain laughs & then sinks the submarine*
NO. The Allies never occupied Bulgaria. First, General Vazov stopped them. After they made a breach at Dobro pole, the Bulgarian soldiers mutinied. So the Allies waited for the chain of command to fall apart, and didn't risk any more casualties. The plan paid off: Bulgaria surrendered and saved them the cost of an occupation.
"War to end all wars!"
*Said war create enough problems to sustain a thousand more wars*
The funniest thing is that every country that wanted to rely on Wilsonian self determination never got it.
Also the British and French government is just being super lazy copy pasting Versailles treaty. Can they not even bother a moment to look over and actually think about the details for that particular region? Well nothing new here, considering how poorly they partitioned the middle east.
EDIT: Mussolini don't care if he did poorly in the election. He'll get in to power by force :P
@Samo CSKA youre very ignorant to assume that lol
Another great episode. Could I recommend an episode on the Franco-Syrian war? It's something I know of, but actually very little about. I would imagine that most other viewers would find it enlightening
TBH, I never heard of it. There's too much to read about and not enough time.
Always nice to watch a decent educational video of the lesser covered countries of the world wars. Thank you
As a Macedonian from nowadays North Macedonia (and former Vardar Macedonia), I thank you for the video. We definitely need more neutral history videos like this.
Thanks Naum, I appreciate that. We deal with a lot of sensitive topics in the 1919-1923 period and we put a lot of effort into trying to be historically responsible and balanced!
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@@ΔημήτρηςΠαπαδόπουλος-θ9ρ sure buddy sure
it was never call Vadar Macedonia it was actually called vardaska!
@@101logic The Serbians named it Vardar Banovina. Because they hated the name Macedonia.
Your pronunciation of the Bulgarian names and places is spot on ,which is pretty hard for an english speaker.
All countries in the Balkans are like amputees, missing a part of their body that was cut off. The story of ethnic cleansing, refugees, lost homelands is our common national history. But I feel that the historical enmity is slowly dying out. As a Greek I wish the countrys around Greece where rich and prosperous so we can trade and do business and have too much to live for to go to war again.
@BulgaroSlav Get a grip mate, you remind me of the crabs in a bucket who grab another crab if it tries to crawl out. The whole region is economically stunted, you are not in competition with Greece and Romania but with a world market who is speeding to the future and has no love lost for any of us. You think Germany and France got rich during wartime? They got rich during peace. And with wealth they gain power and the people gain their self respect - now no one there is fussing for Alsace Lorraine or east Prussia anymore, they have better things to do. Thankfully most people are not edgy nihilist atheists like you and see the benefit in having peace.
@BulgaroSlav there is a reason for Bulgaria and Greece to be friends, we are the only ones that can stop the inevitable rise of the ottoman state
I always especially like the quotes, from all episodes. Keep them coming.
Was looking forward to this, thank you.
Wilson's 14 points is almost like the Newton's 3 Laws but for Nation-States. It's absolute and applicable for every situations. Oh wait....
So what you’re saying is this president had made a stupid decision proposing point that would supposedly make things better, why do you agree that some of the points made in his “14” points, I will admit there are some at that don’t exactly fit into how the ending of a war works.
20:07 - You can argue that the ideal for national unification had dated back to Bulgaria's liberation, following the treaty of San Stefano 1878 and later the same year the Berlin congress which carved up Bulgarian lands, leaving less than a third of them intact. It's one of those sick jokes of history where the Russians gave us our dream state, only together with the great powers to take most of it away later
Then why do you guys expel Muslims out of those lands and your country?
@@aksmex2576 Your question didn't really had any connection to what he wrote, it feels more like you try to blame someone for something that your more familiar with and feel great about your ignorance. Real answer to your question is: "Do you feel as a muslim, understanding enough of other cultures so you could live in peace with them or your religion is the greatest and should be spread by force if needed?" That's the whole point because the vast majority or muslims in the middle east are still in the middle ages, you need your golden age of literature and science.
The combination of betraying the Bulgarians and letting Austria occupy Bosnia, they made later wars unavoidable.
The combination of betraying the Bulgarians, and letting Austria occupy Bosnia made later wars unavoidable
Bosnia should have been given to Serbia.
"Bulgaria will border itself", In Hungary we say our country is the only one bordering itself lol
As a Romanian living in Transilvania… I don’t consider myself Hungarian, I like Budapest and I find your history intriguing but no
If we cared to, Denmark could make such a claim too considering Skåne and Sydslesvig :D
and you both come from Asia
@@dragasinbrankovic yes and we make a kingdom and an empire even before you develop a country 😉
@@dragasinbrankovic , well atleast we knew where we`re coming from and you didn`t. Also I am glad that my country is not named "Servia". Even today you`re serves to RuZZia and back in the day your contry was always servents to someone even to bulgarians.
"borders on itself"
what a great quote
I have said it before but I had to say it again: You did an amazing work Jesse I think you were destined to continue this series. I'm looking forward to the next episode especially next year's Treaty of Trianon.
P.S: I hope you will add the video about Horthy's entering to Budapest on a white horse :)
Thanks Sammy! And yes, we will be talking about Horthy very soon...
Despite all the tough times we've been through, lasting for centuries, we've kept our culture, spirit, language and faith!
I`m so sick that Western Europeans are drawing borders in the Balkans ever since Russians and Balkanians drove Ottomans from these lands. Same happened in the Middle East that is actually West Asia where British were drawing the borders so no wonder 100yrs later majority of ethnic conflicts are in these areas and somehow Brits and US are always involved. Time for us in the Balkans to take our fate in our own hands, we have very similar cultural backround, very rich history that is one of the oldest and most important in the World, why would we be puppet states of crony Western elite? We should make our own decentralized union of independent states with open borders, open economy between us not foreign capital allowed and military alliance.
Yugoslavia was one such idea, even Bulgaria was invited to join it as the 7th republic. People of the Balkans do not posses a sense of greatness and pragmatism for such things like Germans and Italians did during their unification. That is our lot sadly, we aren't primitive because we are poor, we are poor because we are primitive.
Yugoslavia tried something like that once... didn't end well
Balkans drawed borders themself. But serbs wanted to genocide every neighbour. Thats why europe had to hit them and not let them do it. Thats all.
@@asagadam550 Due to the serbians. Now try that again but everyone has their own country. And you cant use yugoslavia as an example since the balkans is much more than just South slavs.
@@froglifes6829 It really isn’t. Greece and maybe Romania if you count it as Balkan are the only other non Slavic Balkan nations
You are an amazing channel, thanks from Bulgaria. The details are missing, but it is very well explained.🙂
You are a great, well-documented and researched historian. Thank You!
This was a great video. Nice to hear some Balkan history! Jesse is an amazing speaker, so much emotion!
I thank you, and the Great War crew for covering the harshes of the war upon Bulgaria. This was an atempt by the western powers to destroy Bulgaria. I have grandparents, who told me that in these times, it was very hard to live, no food, no job, thievery, roaming bandits and thugs. Bulgaria joined the Central powers, not because of the love for them, only to reunite with Macedonia and all of the other places that were inahabitet with most or a large majority of Bulgarians. I give my apologies to the serbians of our massacres against them, all balkan countries should live in peace and prosperity, not kill each other, because no one of us is absolutely right, we are a instrument in the hands of great powers.
Are you sure you are talking about 100 years ago? It seems like bulgaria today: no job, thievery and roaming bandits and thugs...
@@robinderoos1166 Tell it to Boyko Borrisov and the former cabinets. Bulgaria has declined with 4 million people since 1991.
That's what happens when you go with the Germans. I hope you learned your lesson after the wa... Oh wait a minute
@@dimostychalas9716 If you don't know, Bulgaria didn't have a choice. Germany's armies were at Romania and Yugloslavia, trying to reach Greece, what should a country do ? Don't let them in and be exterminated ?
@@КрасимирПетров-к4ч What do you mean by Germany wanting to go through Bulgaria to get to Greece? Coz they could go through Vardar valley which would at that time be part of Serbia. Unless you mean that they wanted to get through parts that used to be part of Kingdom of Serbia before WWI that at that point Bulgaria has occupied in 1915?
Because if it's the later, I can't fathom how did your politicians expect things to go so that you wouldn't end up fighting the Entante and therefore become part of the Central powers if you attacked a member of Entante while they were fighting Central powers?!?
Last time I was this early, Vardar Macedonians didn't claim to be heirs of Alexander the Great
Real macedonians are greeks so just call them vardarskans
Vardar Macedonians S e r b s
@@SrdjaZlopogledja Stop joking, they are ascendants of the Kuber Bulgarians
they are mostly bulgarians but few are serbs
kinda mixed
just call them vardarskans
they are not macedonians
People smart enough will understand that borders on the Balkans were not drawn to favor anyone living there, but to favor imperialistic west. Bulgarians are my brothers, no matter the wars we had, they are my blood, and I will always stand with them rather than anglo-saxons.
True.
Bulgaria is my favourite place in Europe
Anglo-saxons are terrorist devils.
I am a British citizen, born, bred, terrorized.
True 🇧🇬❤️🇷🇸
allies were just too afraid of bulgaria. in ww1 allies lost so many battles against bulgaria while bein 40 times more than the bulgarians
Actually, the actions of Stamboliyski during the rebellion are not so clear. We know that together with representatives of other political parties he did give speeches to the insurgent soldiers urging them to at least wait until the coming armistice becomes a fact. It was his close associate Rayko Daskalov who took command of the rebels and proclaimed the so called "Radomir Republic" with Stamboliyski as head of state; the actual participation of the agrarian leader into this segment of the events is quite doubtful. He certainly knew he could be suspected though as he went into hiding during the bloody aftermath.
Thank you for the excellent video! Greetings from an American descendant of ethnic Bulgarians from Aegean Macedonia (in modern Greece)!
The real Macedonia
@@jeffkarin7894 the real macedonia is basicly what greece has
and the real macedonians are greeks
only Monastiri in southern vardarska is part of macedonia and therefore belongs to greece
the rest is thrace and peonia
its only called macedonia because thats how the ottomans made the province of macedonia in their empire
vardarskans are bulgarians not macedonians
@@TheHunterOfYharnam Nice fake name. The Byzantine Empire didn't exist, ti was called Eastern Roman Empire, and it wasn't Greek.
@@DacLMK The byzantine empire is short for Eastern Roman Empire. It was Greek. Roman at the time meant Christian Greek. Greeks called themselves Romans all the way to the 20th century. We still do secondarily. Cope harder. Modern Greece is the empire itself reborn from its ashes and we will liberate our Capital!!!
@@DacLMK well if any greek of today somehow traveled back in time they'd all be considered romans so what's your point????
It defenetly was a national catastrophe
Your english is a catastrophe
Crisp sry one i slipped in lol
Nobody forced Bulgaria to join war,just rage and lust for revenge
@@mihailojovicevic5576 and 300000 bulgarians outside Bulgaria....
@@Anonymous-qx1vd true
Great episode - thank you a lot for the effort. I have only one small remark - breaking the pen after signing the treaty is one of these classical myths in history - you know, to show that ever beaten you have the upper hand.
Very well researched
Tanks, Michael.
@@jessealexander2695
Tanks? Like in 'think tanks' or 'battle tanks'? 🤔
@@TheCimbrianBull hehe, must be my French-Canadian side subconsciously taking over. Thanks!
Will you at one point cover what manela called "the Wilsonian moment". Because from my point of view everyone you covered who was arguing on the basis of Wilson's 14 point could be interpreted as prove that such a Wilsonian moment did exist
But none of the nations that relied on Wilson's 14 points actually got it...
I bet Greece regrets not letting Bulgaria have North Macedonia
You lose :)
It will hurt their pride.
It was in the national interest of greece at the time to weaken bulgaria as much as possible, since we were national enemies from the time of the byzantines, while having mutual claims to a lot of territories. Also, North Macedonia was not supposed to be independent. That's why the greek government had no problem refering to it as "macedonia" while it was a federal yugoslav state, but tensions rose once it declared independence.
@@dinospapa7413 And since you can't face us in an open war conflict (you just can't compare to Bulgarian army), you decided to pretend to be an ally while you achieve your interests in Aegean Sea, and then stab a knife in our back! This is typical for you since the dawn of time...
Majority of population in Macedonia and Aegean Macedonia ware Macedonian ethnicity
Unfortunately we couldn’t have plebiscite to express our view.We ware under Roman Turkish Serbian Bulgarian occupation.
During First World War and balkans wars most struggle and population lost was pure Macedonian population . Macedonian ware forcefully conscripted in Bulgarian and Serbian army . If you research the topic you will find many documents which are providing facts.
Vmro was Macedonian revolutionaries organisation which main goal was Macedonian independence or autonomy in with in Bulgarian state. Protugerov and Aleksandrov only they supported Bulgarian they ware promised autonomy in Bulgarian state and reunification to all Macedonian from VARDAR , Pirin and Aegean Macedonia .
Macedonian ware forced out from Aegean Macedonia over 300k population all over the world ethnic cleansing exchange of population with Turkey done by new Greek state originally created by Bavarian king Otto 1833 -1863 then his successor was king George .
This exchange of population totally change the demographics to Aegean Macedonia
Second ethnic cleansing was done in post Second World War during Civil war
Macedonian ware on side of the Greek communist party they ware promised recognition and autonomy in new Greek post communist state.
Unfortunately again Macedonian struggle did not aligned with geopolitical interests of the British and French.
Finally we got our independence 1945 as part of federation of Yugoslavia
All of these treaties show why beforehand it was so common to have a neutral arbitrator. While the US was an ally, it spent far less time in the war and had not faced much of a threat to its own territory. In each treaty, the US advocated not for vengeance but for a fair peace. They wanted milder terms that, instead of furthering division, would create stable nations and a more stable peace. This was what most of the central powers expected to receive. Instead, France and Britain made hotheaded decisions that would strengthen their own allies, benefit themselves, and leave receiving powers as future enemies, fueled by resentment.
Thats not True. USA wanted something out of everything. You are spreading propaganda of USA Being some country that wants peace all around the world when thats not True
As Bulgarian I completely agree. That’s why I like The US
The saddest day in our history. Even today we can not still recover.
You got away dirt cheap.
Same goes for Germany
@@VersusARCH And how is that???
@@koliopompenshtain Because for a surprise attack like the kind you launched against Serbia in WW1 Japan got, a few decades later: 2 nuclear bombs, millions of killed, a postwar occupation force that wrote them a new constitution and also lost huge chunks of territory. Bulgaria instead only lost a small town and a little bit of land.
@@VersusARCH Like the surprise attack that Serbia did to Bulgaria a couple of years earlier. Please don't be e stupid guy!
Долу Ньой!
Minor mapping mistake spotted; at some points in the video you show the territory Bulgaria ceded to Greece as being exactly identical to the Greek province of Thrace. That is not 100% correct though. While most of Greek (AKA "western") Thrace was indeed held by Bulgaria between 1912 to 1919, the area that is adjacent to Adrianople(the northern part of the Evros district) as well as a small piece to the south near the river delta, actually remained in ottoman control until the end of WWI and the finalization of Greek-Turkish border, so the area Bulgaria controlled did not exactly correspond with the modern Greek province of Thrace, at least when it comes to some parts near the Turkish border... lots of other videos make this mistake on their maps because it's an easy to miss detail and they tend to copy each other so the error gets repeated, but it is incorrect.
As a Serb, you guys didn’t deserve this. Sorry about Macedonia! It’s both of our problems now.
Thanks, at least there is one normal comment. Sad that you lost such huge part of the population in the war.
If only we didnt had an outsider for a leader and Ur leader for 1885 wasnt influenced by another power. They were scared. You stoped them for a damn year. Imagine if Balkan union came in ww1. It wouldve been 2 year war at best. A&H wouldve seen Belgrade only on pictures in few months war. Instead of wasting lives and resources in second Balkan war we wouldve raised a huge defence for against the talentless mess aka A&H. The entente was also sending troops in the dozens of divisions.
Will there be a episode on finland
Search Finland the great war, there's already one
@@khurramzafar i was talking about an episode of finland after the war
@Baldur tell that to the Russians dum dum
@Baldur you jealous that Finland just got rated one of the worlds most interesting countries? Cry yourself sleep tonite pal?
South Tyrol is Austria and Raid Shadow Legends is trash
Fax
KonPlayz we all know even they know but you tuber want money so they do this
But we all know deep inside that Epstein didn't kill himself
Alberto Scotuzzi 🍕 in ur brain
its german cuz austria is basically germany just with a different history
A word of advice from a history teacher, I do make a fuss about it when one of my students doesn't know it and I hold it very important to make a distinction in nomenclature. What I mean by that is that the state which unified Croats, Serbs and Slovenes dominantly was called from the 1st of December 1918 and until 6th of January 1929 - Kingdom of the Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, after the 6th of January 1929, the state was officially called Kingdom of Yugoslavia, right up until 17th of April 1941 when the ceasefire was signed.
2:45 Jack Black is a time traveller
Every central power post-WWI: *puts its hope on the principle of self determination.
Allied powers: Yeah about that...
The maps at the time should refer to the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (understand that you used Yugoslavia for ease).
This map of Bulgarian Thrace is just slightly off. It should mostly but not entirely correspond to Greece's "Western Thrace" province. That province took it's current shape after some additional territorial swaps that involved the Ottomans to make the Marica River the border between Turkey and Greece. The territory Bulgaria lost is slightly different. Anyway very interesting episode.
Aleksandar Stamboliyski was not a socialist but the agrarian party's leader.
Romania made the biggest mistake in its history by occupying Southern Dobruja, which eliminated any chance of friendship between Romania and Bulgaria until 1945.
dragosstanciu *1940
@@tylerbozinovski4624 I know about 1940 and the Treaty of Craiova, but true friendship was restored only after the second world war.
As a bulgarian Romania is the only neighbor which i don't hate
@@beast1680 out of interest what does Bulgarians think over Hungary and Hungarians?
@@ninaakari5181 We (bulgarians) love Hungary, as both countries have the same tragic fate to border with themselves after WWI. We and the magyars were allies many times in the centuries VIII-X AD and since then we respect each other a lot.
That's pretty ballsy for someone who lost a war to ask for more territory while suing for peace.
That's just Bulgaria
And not only just lost, the fight they started, or probably in their eyes restarted.
@@Blazo_Djurovic Can you type in proper english?
While if they lost and still speak I guess you got to kill more until they stop speaking? I mean at least some Khan's had an idea on how total war works.
@@Blazo_Djurovic uhh..didn't a Serb instigate the assassination that led to ww1?
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I'm years late, but what is your source on the Bulgarian submarine committing suicide? I looked into this and could find no record of UB-8 ("Submarine No. 18", in the Royal Bulgarian Navy) doing such an act. Wikipedia states that it was surrendered per the armistice terms, before sinking at some point.
I looked for sources in Bulgarian but found only records of its service against the Russians. Apparently it was sank after the end of WWI and found in Bulgarian waters near Varna 2011.
Given the strong Soviet/Russian influence in Bulgaria, which is only beginning to wane now, it is quite possible that the story was suppressed as were many other stories of Bulgarians fighting Russians. (See the video on General Ivan Kolev in this series.) I learned of the battle of Balchik only now.
The Wikipedia page in Bulgarian adds nothing more to the one in English:
I drifted off into a world of my own there thinking about what was said and what happened, very appreciated, Stefan
It hurts but it is true. Wars do not bring happiness. Thank you for being objective...
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I don't think that any one should stand between a man and his meal :)
@@balanar4o I think a man should when dignity is involved
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4:07 That guy next to Wilson --- I really like his smile.
Entente: “Self-Determination for everyone! Except only for the people we decide to give it too and only if the entente doesn’t have to fight to get it for you.”
Horror movie for modern "North Macedonians" to find themselves within an argument of national identity where Serbia claims they are Slavs, Bulgaria says they are Bulgarians and the US says "i have no idea".
:D The US still investigating the case.
Friend, Bulgarians are Slavs and are the closest to Eastern Slavs from the entire Balkans. You are an idiot, yes we have 750,000 Roma minority, but we are Slavs more than Serbs and Croats. Bulgarians developed Russophobia because the Russians betrayed them several times. You are an idiot I'm sorry.
There is nothing "partial" about the Bulgarian victory at Doiran. It was 100%. Read the memoirs of General Miln. Just like the Allied victory at Dobro pole was also 100%.
Macedonians are Serbs
400000 Macedonian (Bulgarian) immigrants: am I joke to you???
And what you say abbaut atomanians,vlachs and machefo-romanians?
@@nannunbgd What about them?
strawman
Thanks for your hard work guys!
Poor Bulgaria, gained everything in 1913 only to lose it that same year and even worse in 1919
The people who drew up all these treaties must have been smoking opium. 🙄 Nobody ends up being happy. Must be a great job.
But I'm still impressed with Jesse's knack for pronunciation!
I guess every compromise should by definition leave every side involved unhappy, yet not so enraged to withdraw. Thing is, losers did not have a say. After all, they were... Hmm., losers?
I think we all understand "to the victor goes the spoils" but it just seems like not everything the losers wanted to have concessions on was just for selfish ambition and the victor's would have been smart to take into account the reality on the ground. I suppose it could be the mentality of the day: I win; I get what I want. Or 😝 to the losers.
@@hannahskipper2764 i think they were actually more interested in creating conflicts for the future war. War is business. Plus real winner in these conflicts were the us, where european countries bled themselves to death twice within 30 years
@@markod1719 you're right about that. It's just not particularly smart of them. 🙄
The seizure of Bulgaria from Turkey was a greatest mistake of Russia in 1877 ...
Bulgaria was shrunk from the Serbian and Tatar territories. The entire western third of Bulgaria is Serbian, spoken Serbian and whose inhabitants differ in appearance and mentality from the Turkic people of Central and Eastern Bulgaria.
And therefore, Western Slavic Bulgaria should be returned to Serbia, and Eastern Turkic to be returned to Turkey.
Something that could have been included on the 11th in the Roundup was *_The Centralia Massacre-_* also known as the _Armistice Day Riot-_ where members of the Industrial Workers of The World (IWW) clashed with those of the Veterans group The American Legion during the Armistice Day Parade in the town of Centralia, Washington. The bloody violence resulted in 6 deaths (including a Deputy Sheriff and the local American Legion Post Commander) and 4 wounded in total on both sides- with multiple IWW members arrested, and 7 ultimately convicted in a trial that attracted National Media attention.
This event also contributed to the _First Red Scare_ (1919-1920) in the United States.
(I learned this particular obscure bit of history in High School- having grown up in the neighboring town of Chehalis.)
Nicely informative video. Great job.
Was the Bulgarian army sponsored by raid during the war?
Yes
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Also, while without a doubt belonging on the political Left, Stamboliyski and his party had small private agrarian landholdings rather than public ownership of the land as the base of their economic policy and larger ideology, so classifying them as "socialist" sounds a bit strange.
Calmirdonnvs Rex it’s almost as though non Marxist socialism is a thing
Public ownership of lands is communism, not socialism.
@@SKa-tt9nm well he didn't sounded like a socialist either and prefered the Western powers more then the Bolsheviks
@@arthurt.chasperton3569 Marxism is the basis for any socialist ideology
@@kzr_1613 not necessarily, premodern English socialism has a long tradition, i recommend you about the diggers or the levellers
"Borders itself", hah!
Your catch phrase may not make much sense but I still love it.
Coming back to watch this video months after it was released. It is nice to see Jesse at the set. I miss the real world.
The grand children of those who gave their blood for Bulgaria today saying that they are not Bulgarians but ''macedonians''!!! We live in a crazy, crazy world.
Shure buddy
I gotta give respect to Bulgaria since the 1st Balkan War up to WW1 but who is their right mind says "I'm gonna fight you all" enter Turkey and Romania right after Greece and Serbia.
That Saxen Coburg Ferdinand and a bunch of his asslickers ... they got too arrogant and confident and they thought they can beat Greece and Serbia together (they probably could beat them). They attacked Greece for daring to take Thessaloniki, imagine... But they DIDN'T EXPECT Romania and Turkey to join !!! There was nobody to defend the same fat Coburg from being captured by the Romanians. So he capitulated.
Not exactly how it went down. We attacked one country only. But Serbia and Greece had signed a pact, so both joined the war. Then so did turkey and Romania. We didn’t attack on four sides, that would be suicidal.
We would only fight the Greeks and the Serbs. Romania and Turkey attack us from behind, and win without a real fight because there is no army to repel them.
@@SKa-tt9nm it was still dumb since you hadn't secure your borders
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Six years after this contract due to defected dog almost started a war between Bulgaria and Greece. However, the conflict ended with border skirmishes.
Yeah but not before 126 people were killed.
@Vagabond John No there were 20 bulgarians as casualties.
@@comingafteryou5352 according to bulgarians only
Great video and very interesting facts! One of them however makes me curious - at 12:48 is said that Bulgaria had to "retain access to the sea via the free port of Alexandroupolis". Can you share some sources of this statement as I couldn't find anything related to it? Thanks in advance and once again - thank you for this video!
Greetings from Bulgaria!
When Bulgaria couldn't pay its reparations, the Greeks sabotaged this clause. Bulgaria complained, but was politically isolated after losing the war and nothing happened.
Bulgarian claims on Morroco and Egypt ? What ?
The World was so weird 100 years ago
In the 1800's the Bulgarians, who were in the Turkish army then, took over Egypt for a while. That is why the Egyptian clause was in there, other wise the Bulgarian had an excuse to make trouble, technically. i bet Morocco clause was a similar reason, but i don't know.
tommy14 No, the reason behind the clauses was that the treaty was a direct copy to that of Versailles to some extend. There was no point in the clauses, that’s what Jessie is trying to say.
@@tommy-er6hh wtf man, you're confusing us with Muhammad Ali Pasha's Muslim Albanians lmao
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"balkan powderkeg" jesus they know us well
So, in summary, every time I cross the border to go the Mediterranean or to Ohrid ans Skopie I have to thank the French and British diplomats for thinking for us. Isn't it very nice?
no, we yugoslavs wanted to keep macedonia, and maybe you won't choose the losing side in the next world war
@@XIXCentury What is "Yugoslavs"? I advise you take care of yourselves. Bulgaria and Macedonia are not of your concern.