Too long by far since we revisted The Emperor. A hefty chunk of time getting this one ready but worth remembering theres still tons more surrounding the Emperor to get into past and present. Hope this one SERVES you all well, if it does >> hit the like - helps me and the channel. More new stuff as soon as it can be forged, what next tho is always the question. Xenos... Heretics... Guns or other...
Big E- "I'm not the messiah, honestly" Humanity- "Only the true messiah would deny his divinity..." Big E- "All right, i AM the messiah" Humanity- "He IS the messiah"
The moment the 'Emperor's Plan' is revealed to us as a 3rd person viewer, is the moment the 'Lore' loses all hope, mystery and imagination. I hope GW gives us MORE Malcador lore but never expands or reveals The Emperor's history or foresight.... The whole 'faith in the Emperor's Plan' appeal is exactly that and I'm sure all Black Library writers are tied into the understanding that revealing details of the Emperor is a no go area. Plus, Luetin would be out of a job if they ever did reveal more about the Emperor, although his sanity would definitely be more stable.
The fact that Leutin one day might have to quit for health reasons, makes his content even more special. Keep up the good work man. We really appreciate you.
Just wanna say I appreciate this video even more knowing you’ve issues with your voice at the moment, you make some amazing content my dude! The effort you put in really shows, can’t wait to listen to this my nights made 👊🏼👊🏼 hope your voice gets better
True. Although I'd prefer for him to get better first and think about our entertainment later. However I'm not his mom and he's an adult so I just hope the guy takes good care of himself
Many years ago, I spoke with one of the original writers for Games Workshop and basically what he told me (yeah I know, take this with a grain of salt!) was that the original deep lore, true for both 40k and Fantasy, was that there was nothing besides the Chaos Gods and their daemons, that just set the whole thing up like some epic Lovecraftian cosmic horror story to be their playground. The original Sigmar of WHFB was actually a greater daemon of Khorne in disguise, Ulric was Khorne. Morr was actually Nurgle, and so on, and even the Elven/Eldar gods were actually Chaos gods or their greater daemons too (as if the Khaine thing wasn't obvious enough). It didn't matter what you'd do, you were providing food and entertainment for the Chaos Gods one way or another, and anyone that thinks they are resisting Chaos is actually being played by one Chaos god and fighting against another. Now with the whole Age of Sigmar thing they stretched this deep lore quite a bit as they felt that Warhammer needed some good guy paragons of virtue (lol), and I was told something similar was planned for 40k back then. The idea was that the Tyranids would win and devour the whole galaxy, and all the factions desperately fleeing into the webway or some new kind of pocket universe so that all factions could fight any other faction easily because of colliding bubbles, pretty similar to how it went with Age of Sigmar, and humans would have some good guy faction in there led by I think it was somekind of reborn Emperor, but not 100% sure on whether it actually fully is him. The huge backlash against the destruction of the Old World caused them to put that idea on the backburner, but it was originally planned to be the conclusion of the whole plot arc starting with the Primaris being created and the King in Yellow thing, so who knows if they abandoned that idea (let's hope) or are still going to push it through. The original deep lore from 20 or so years ago just has the Emperor return as a greater daemon of the Chaos Gods after he entered the warp at Molech, which incidentally is exactly the same story as Sigmar who ventured north and had that same thing happen to him, in both cases setting up humanity to a grim dark existence with maximum war and misery, as the Chaos Gods will it. Malcador is some Chaos agent in disguise that was instrumental in this plot. Anwyay, in both cases, Sigmar and the Emperor, now greater daemons, sought to break free and cheat and usurp their creator gods, and that is how Sigmar eventually ascended thanks to having a cult dedicated to him, and well, the same thing for the Emperor, having a galaxy-wide cult and daily psyker-juice. Anyway, the whole original thing was the bleakest-of-bleak scenario in the video, with the Emperor's masterplan of breaking free originally just being limited to the the whole webway thing, which indeed went tits up due to Chaos Gods having planned this all along and outplaying him by using Magnus and kickstarting the war too early, that is original lore as far as I know. After his webway project was destroyed, the Emperor was indeed winging it, and eventually deciding he'd beat the Chaos Gods at their own game, and went to do the same thing as Sigmar, aiming to ascend to full godhood and become a powerful enough force in the warp to stand up to the Chaos Gods and birth a faction of The Good Guys In Shining Golden Armor With Thunderbolts And Wings And Stuff (TM).
I had no idea you planned on continuing past 3! This is a very pleasant surprise since it was your original trilogy that got me into Warhammer lore a couple years ago.
I have to echo that sentiment as well. The first real exposure I had was the Astartes videos and I found this channel the same night. I enjoy the way Leutin presents the content and recommend it regularly.
If 40K history were to roughly follow the Dune path, the Emperor’s goal was always to be overthrown, but to be overthrown by something better, not by a new would-be god or the self-destructive chaos of unending strife. That’s one way to read Malcador’s line: the rebellion came before the rest of humanity was ready to defeat and replace the Emperor. Maybe Guilliman can figure something out.
Maybe he will be reborn again. Who knows. Vulcan is a confirmed perpetual and he was created by the big E. It’s also stated how death had its benefits for the e. I think he will die and become something else entirely in guiding humanity.
@@jammin1881 If AoS The End Times didn't teach GW anything, it's that treating the Emperor like Chekov's Gun and that he is *required* to conclude his story arc will turn old fans against GW, and keep new fans away because "the plot is resolved, the faction I like is spoken for". Why spend a second-hand vehicle's worth of money on a plastic army, if you already know everything they have done, and their ultimate capability in lore?
Luetin I hope you find this buried in the comments. Absolutely love your stuff, the quality of your work is continuously improving and your commitment to exploring the murky lore of 40k is fantastic. I regularly listen to your work as background while gaming or studying, and also as sleep aids. Your videos brought me back to the setting after a decade long break (prior to which I was mainly a WHFB fan with minimal interest in 40k). I intend to hang around until the Tyranids inevitably descend to consume us all. Much love mate 😀👍
You missed out a detail from the short story "Horus and the Emperor" when the Emperor described reaching the end of his ability to see into the future, when I can't glimpse what is ahead, it is his time of testing. I believe this is why he was in such a hurry during the crusade, he only knew what was going to happen up to a certain point and wanted to be ready for when the time came, yet he didn't know just want it was.
It hasn’t been disproven yet but I remember the Emperor saying how even though he sees the future he doesn’t see precise paths. He describes it as climbing a mountain. You see the paths you can take but choose the wrong path and your footing may collapse so despite seeing possible futures he’s never sure which is the correct one. Conrad had a similar problem but never learned better judgment of these visions. He’d see multiple possible futures and he would always assume the worst future was the correct future and act on that. Which led to his mental collapse as he became paranoid, jaded, unhinged and aggressive. All this to say if you saw multiple paths and outcomes your whole life only to eventually see nothing at all, it would create even greater paranoia because “what does this mean? Why is their no future?”
"Myths, like gods, should be treated with some skepticism also. They have a habit of being retold to the benefit of the teller. You would not doubt the advice of this reliable narrator, would you?" The Narrator: Rise of the Ynari: Ghost Warrior: Chapter 1. Sometimes 40k even asks you to distrust the narrator.
I think the fact he was hesitant to kill Horus, wanting to believe to the very end he could still be saved, shows that Big E most likely saw many threads of thr future, like the Eldar Farseer's, saw one with high potential to succeed and most chances to re-correct if brought awry, and then tried to brute-force that timeline, potentiall side effects be damned, as even the web of potentiall failures was bettee than all other paths. This would explain his 'core' self appearing to those who saw it cold, brutal, hectic and unimaginably arrogant. And to anyone not on the level of a farseer like Ulthuvanne, this would look just like every other tyrannical despot in mankind's history, just on a Lovecraftian scale of cosmic horror. After all, if you see every path leading to garuanteed extinction and damnation of your species, except a very specific one, including most of the possible derailements from it; any price is worth paying as the alternative is not even really an alternative from your species' point of view. Let that sink in; the current state of Humanity might be the worst possible in the timeline he forced, but every other one would be garuanteed extinction.
I agree with most of what you have said expect for " but every other one would be guaranteed extinction." I think most of the timelines he saw were awful but that its possible that some of the ones where he didn't intervene would have been better than what is the current 40k universe.
@@shadowrobot7708 I don't know if that's true though, considering the Age of Strife occurred without his intervention. On the one hand, had he known about it, perhaps he should have done something to help. But on the other hand that literally contradicts the argument of "he shouldn't have intervened and allowed humanity to do what it will on its own"
@@MelancholicBodhisattva Maybe on of the planets he ended up purging for refusing to join the Imperium would have become a more stable galaxy wide super power if the Imperium didn't exist. I don't know how likely that is but it does seem that far fetched to me at least.
@@shadowrobot7708 considering a tiny percentage of planets refused to join, let alone needed to be completely purged, put me down as doubtful. Especially since rogue psychers/daemons was a growing problem on any given planet, the Orc empire that was building in strength, etc etc etc
After 5 hours of luetin exploring the character of the emperor. He’s an even more cryptic, mysterious, awe inspiring and absolutely terrifying character than I imagined him to be. Luetin raising more questions than he answered. I think the emperor fundamentally is good yet has become something so vastly powerful and a scope of knowledge so great that even a primarch can’t comprehend who he really is and the extent of his plans. Religious people say « god works in mysterious ways » now often it’s used as a cop out, but imagine a being has such an extensive knowledge of the universe, of time, of humanity but doesn’t have it all as the emperor himself explains to Ra, wouldn’t such a being’s actions seem uncaring? Evil at times? Ultimately, he’s the only one looking out for humanity in the 40k universe
"The universe has many horrors yet to throw at us. This is not the end of our struggle. This is just the beginning of our crusade to save Humanity. Be faithful! Be strong! Be vigilant!" - Last words of the Emperor of Mankind before being interred upon the Golden Throne
I don't even play Warhammer but I can't help but find myself watching your videos. There's just something about this dark gritty universe that I find endlessly fascinating.
@@universalflamethrower6342 Nah, CRT is just a mechanism to divide and distract people. And allows people in power to deflect any legitimate criticism as racism. The tyranny itself goes much deeper than that.
Sounds very similar, conceptually, to the Golden Path in the Dune cycle. The Emperor plunges the galaxy in to thousands of years of war in order to shape humanity for a future which would otherwise end in humanities destruction.
I can't believe this video was 1h30 long, I think this is my favorite one so far. Luetin you make 40k lore so interesting every time I watch one of your videos I fall more and more in love the 40k verse. Truly thank you.
I pointed my best friend towards this channel as they're very into the lore of Warhammer, (as am I) and I want to say that I deeply appreciate that you're a dedicated lore channel. It makes the universe much more digestible.
Luetin09 is nice 👍 The Emperor has read The prince, by Niccolò Machiavelli and sun tzu, the art of war. Read these and you will understand the Emperor’s mindset much better, it’s not easy reads, maybe start with a documentary, or even Wikipedia, don’t trust everything you read on Wikipedia, but in this case you can prepare you to understand a 500 year old and 2400 year old Work of literature. In the universities they are used in political science, geopolitic, journalism, military studies, military academies, Business schools, and even elite sports. shakespeare Didn't fancy "By all means necessary" which originates from the debate about the prince should be allowed to be read by Christians. Shakespeare invented the freas machiavellian, about someone who is exactly like the emperor of man. (It’s of course the creators of the 40k universe that has read the book’s and used them as and inspiration) 😊
I love that you actually do a historiography of this lore - getting into your methodology and analytical framework makes this closer to a "history" than most shallow lore recaps out there. Well done.
The big E's interactions with Ra give me an idea for a Master of Mankind drinking game. Go through the book and take a shot every time something the emperor does is described as cold or unnatural. You win when you die of alcohol poisoning, cause it means you don't have to keep reading anymore.
The "What is Truth" section was a master-stroke. I've felt irony was dead in relation to a story's narrative the last many years. Glad someone else cherishes it, too. Great video, as always!
It was very lame and stretched, he repeatet himself several times, and other times just read out some of his favorite lines and qoutes. He maybe has to explain to you that the writers decides what we get to know. But I would say, for most people that ever read a book, this is as simple as a²+b²=c². Maybe you should read other kind of book, to be able to understand, that Warhammer 40k is badly written Sci-Fy.
@@Wolfspaule Maybe you should reread my comment to know I was discussing theory in general, not "Warhammer 40K." I'm not gonna torch you like I would have in the past, hah.
I like the theory that he got some minor warp deities from the chaos gods when he went to Molech or that he got the knowledge to control them. That might be why the primarch's are so godlike. They are literal minor gods put into already superhuman bodies.
I'd like to see things turn out well for humanity and the emperor just getting off his throne at the end saying "Just according to keikaku". But let's be honest, the Warhammer world feeds off eternal war and the biggest threat for humanity is a loss of profit for Games Workshop. As a silver lining, that also means humanity will unlikely be eradicated, no matter the threads against it.
Yours is the first lore recommend to me by my son. And, it's the only I'll watch. Ive actually fallen asleep to one I've seen once or twice before, only to be harshly awoken by someone else's. Thank you, Luetin. These are such good fun. You are a true story teller.
I would highly recommend Occulus Imperia. He is similar to Leutin in tone, but in-universe. He is somewhat less detailed (lore wise) because of that narrative style, but no less enjoyable
Whether you agree with The Emperor or not. One thing is for sure. He wants Humanity to Win in a Galaxy that would see it either expunged, consumed, enslaved or worse. The Long Game demands you play until The End. I bet He got into The Black Library.
@@davecullins1606 No, it’s been stated he wants Mankind to win. In the retconned thing him loving his sons, he loved humanity a whole lot In the current canon one, he loves no one specifically, but he loves Mankind as a whole
I always come back to Dune when I think of the emperor in the 40K universe. Leto II never planned that his reign was the goal, but rather the beginning of a greater path, I think that the emperor's goal may be that in the end, to make humanity learn a lesson that marks it so deeply that no future civilization, even if isolated, it would forget: Stagnation is death.
this or Big E is Leto II with a failed golden path. Whatever boath are a perfect examples for the message behind Dune. Charismatic leaders should always come with a warning sign.
Many GW staff/writers have stated that Dune was a massive influence on the 40k lore. When you think about it: Psykers, The Imperium, God-Emperor, the long game etc probably wouldn't exist without Dune being written.
The emperor isn't a bumbling idiot; one of my favourite pieces of information about him is in the Mechanicum HH book where it is heavily implied that he essentially created the Mechanicum thousands of years ago and suggested belief in the machine god and even detailed specific prophecies specifically so that thousands of years later when he turned up, he would be seen as the Omnissiah. He does this because he has such powerful foresight that he knows millennia in advance that he will need a devoted construction world in order to facilitate his galactic crusade
Luetin, even though I might not have the time to invest into actually reading the books, your videos have given me so much entertainment and interest for this universe. This lore surpasses any game lore or fictional lore for me. I'm definitely gonna rewatch some of your old lore videos in order since you made a chronological playlist. Keep it up!
The Emperor Molests! Chaos Protects! Use Chaos! Now available in wide range of flavours, from Khorne-dogs to Pad Tau. Thanks LT for the fantastic work you do.
The Long Game: In the Defense of Chaos, "they" had the Galaxy where they wanted it M30. The Warp was sentient and not "completely" self-consuming. And enough soul bearing species were too busy killing each other rather than organize into anything that might actually "cough" make them do stuff for them. Then this one monkey comes along and literally over night ALL the monkeys are in one line of thinking. Those that aren't, are dead. (a literal galaxy's worth of religious zealots sacrificed, important later) This simply could not stand.... The warp is the perfect embodiment of the phrase, the wave corrects itself. And from that Shock-wave of death and destruction that was the Unification Wars, "came" the Horus Heresy as its sacrificial echo. IT was less a how dare those traitors, as much as it was "gonna" be someone, and in this Big E played his hand as spread out as humanly possible, literally spoon feeding some of his Primarchs to each Chaos God in turn, in order to hopefully ignore the others..... Instead of corrupting 3 or 4 Demi-Gods like the Eldar had lost in order to fall, he gave them too many options to "concentrate fully" on and Chaos in its own nature only got about half of them.... This was the Genius and Damning Sin of Big E, Sacrificing a Galaxy's worth of humans... twice... Just to make sure... humanity was united in its fight against Chaos, and/or the rest of the Galaxy. Was the Imperium "run" by Astartes or a Primarch as both Big E and Malcador feared? No... Was the Imperium run by humans? Yes..... Did the Imperium (at times) have inept leadership? Yes.... Flawed? Yes..... Did it endure itself for 10,000 years? Also yes. Did we indeed save ourselves? Also also yes.... Long Game.
On the other hand Big E has done the exact same thing as many of the chaos gods. Infact for all we know he was born of chaos through humanities combined emotion and need for unity and pride, explaining his unexplainable power and unknown origin. He has more followers than any chaos god, possibly more than all of them combined. he certainly receives more sacrifices. He currently functionally exists only in the warp. Not to mention the entire empire is a glorified cult, with him as the center of worhsip, even having "demonic" lieutenants and troops who take on his image and ideals aesthetically and practically. It explains every contradiction and unknown surrounding him, the Emperor wanted to become a chaos god and has succeeded. :P probably not but it's a fun theory, but im sore some more well read fans will quickly poke holes in it.
My theory: The Emps was literally born from humanity's need for unity, like that other guy said. However, it was most likely (in my opinion) more of a material god than a chaos god. Much like the C'tan are gods of the material realm so in a way he's blah blah blah I'm just kidding. *The God Emperor is cool and unknowable, stop questioning him before I call the inquisition.*
@@kyerusantonio1118 What do I think of him as a human? An event driven Sociopath, in X-Men terms a strange love child of Magneto and Prof X. Intimately aware of Humanity's strengths and flaws. As an Alpha Psycher he could do nothing less than know them like his own skin.... Normally the Sigilites would pass on such, however he has no problem sacrificing himself, thus bypasses most of the Narcissist trappings. Key word there was "most." Did he love humanity? Yes. Was he the God we actually needed? Also yes. Was he scared crap-less of being held to inhuman levels of scrutiny for the shenanigans he was about to pull? You bet your gold plated posterior....
I've said this before, but: it's easier to convince a billion people with no religion that this amazing person is a god, than a bunch of groups of people who have unshakeable belief in different gods that this OTHER god is the REAL god.
It's almost always works the other way. It's people already in a religion who are most inclined to jump into another. Christians convert to Islam and vice versa because the two religions have shared assumptions that make them more intuitive to members of the other than to complete outsiders. Of course, such converts would not (definitionally) have an "unshakeable faith," but insisting their faith be "unshakeable" is really just putting one's finger on the scale.
@@PinkyJustice That's what changing religion entails. A "different God." When you're starting out with the assumption that there must be a God or gods, it's less of a leap deciding on which one(s). When you already have the worship-something program trained into you, changing the rituals and mythology around it is really just window dressing.
I feel like the emperor sent to molok,found the gate to the chaos realm and they showed him a version of the future that the 40k universe is in right now. He then left molok and tried to do everything in his power to change that future only to come to the realization that he failed in his mission to protect mankind. It would be weirdly poetic to see the chaos gods pull the same trick twice on the emperor and Horus
I got into Warhammer lore only a week ago and now I see that was just when you posted this video TWO years after part 3, so glad I got the timing right. This series has been a masterpiece 👏
I think an interesting thing to point out about the legend of the clock and it chiming on the doom of humanity is that the word "doom" doesn't just mean a kind of negative future event. In earlier times that word was predominantly used to mean something synonymous with fate. One might just as easily tell a 12th century noble "the doom of your house fast approaches!" and he would understand it to mean the fate or some kind of deciding culture event will be happening soon. or in the Lord of the Rings the "doom of man" is something mentioned but it's somthing yet to be decided. If I recall correctly it's Galadriel talking about whether mankind will be Sauron puppets or if Aragorn will become the king and lead mankind into a new golden age. The idea being that a decisive tipping point is coming where a major event will drastically change in one way or another the future of a given thing. All that to say, the clock may well have been chiming not to signal the extinction or end of humanity but rather a decisive moment in human history that would determine, in a huge way, the future of humanity
the doom of man in lotr is just that men die, iirc that speech was referencing the duality of elronds line, both men and elves, and granted the choice by dieties in the setting to live as one or the other, notably elronds brother, aragorns ancestor, chose to live and die with mankind, and arwen in the time of lotr made the same choice for love of aragorn , a circumstance galadriel was very aware of, as she had been almost like adopted family and matchmaker for aragorn at one point
While J.R.R. Tolkien has a contextual meaning of doom, where it's more of a neutral meaning, in his works doom could be a synonym to the word destiny. However, generally in the past, the word doom has had a very negative context, for English speakers. For example, one possible origin of the word doom comes from the word dom(circa 1600), which meant judgement and or condemnation. Also, domen(circa 1400), which meant: "to judge, pass judgment on,". Tolkien also studied ancient Scandinavian texts, and perhaps in those sister languages to English, doom has/had a more neutral context, idk?
I'm so happy I found you. I've barely scratched the surface of this deep universe but I've enjoyed your long deep dives so much, your reading along with your storytelling attitude have helped me sleep and enjoy the stories of this universe. You venture through it without an attitude, without banter, or over-the-top acting. You've earned yourself a new sub, and I'll plow through your library until I finally reach the end, and I cry. Big thanks, much love!
You have single handedly fostered an interest in this type of fiction that will last a lifetime for me. I've been waiting for this video for some time and am happy to see it in my feed. Thanks.
Favorite series on the channel, honestly. The Emperor of Man is my favorite character in all the lore. It is a tragic story, made to be the hope against the predators in the Immaterium, and failed. Stumbled at the one-yard mark. Now, with things going off the rails, I like to think he is truly trying to balance humanity on a tightrope with so many pitfalls on either side. And that quote at the beginning, you can feel how despondent he must have felt then. Maybe now he has found another way forward? Time will tell.
First, Hail the Loremaster. Second, thank you on the serendipitous timing. I just had an 11-hour drive and I listened to your entire Golden man series including this while driving it in one go.
The original meaning of the word 'apocalypse' was revelation. That the emperor calls himself revelation takes a rather interesting turn then given the setting.
The etiology of apocalypse is possibly the "end of the papacy". But that all depends on the authoring date of the first Bible. I think I'm in the camp of less than a thousand years ago.
@@Raygun9000 Apocalypse etymological root stems from Greek "apokaluptein", which means to uncover, or... Revelation. Revelation stems from late latin "revelare" which means to uncover, or... apocalypse.
@@attemptedunkindness3632 so if I'm understanding you correctly, revelation or uncover is the definition of apocalypse in greek. But also Revelation shares definition with apocalypse in Latin. So neither of these has a definition of apocalypse shared with English?...
@@Raygun9000 English definition of Apocalypse is the same as the Greek definition of Apocalypse, as it was detailed in the Book of Revelation. The attribution of Apocalypse to mean "the end times" has more to do with prophesy of the End Times contained within, and is a distinction that separates. I bet you also think Hell is a fiery place, too... Hell, in all it's forms, is cold and dark Indo-Germanic "Hölle" which means to cover (the opposite of apocalypse), or to go further back, Hebrew "Sheol" which means to be buried.
A man lying to a dying woman saying he will catch you knowing she's going to an eternity of hell is perhaps the darkest shit in 40k. Dying to demons and the like sucks, being ripped apart by the nids sucks, grinding in a forge world for 40 years just to get sucked into a machine blows. But knowing humanity is going to all get sent to hell is...fuck that's rough
Your exit gallery and music here was the best it's ever been - love it! So powerful and evocative. Amazing video and such wonderful food for thought. Thank you for creating it, it was a lovely thing to wake up to!
"When I set out to lead humankind along my Golden Path, I promised them a lesson their bones would remember. I know a profound pattern which humans deny with their words even while their actions affirm it. They say they seek security and quiet, the condition they call peace. Even as they speak, they create the seeds of turmoil and violence. If they find their quiet security, they squirm init. How boring they find it. Look at them now. Look at what they do while I record these words. Hah! I give them enduring eons of enforced tranquility which plods on and on despite their every effort to escape into chaos. Believe me, the memory of Leto's Peace shall abide with them forever. They will seed their quiet security thereafter only with extreme caution and steadfast preparation." -Leto Atreides II - The God-Emperor
That’s the same basic problem that the machines in The Matrix ran into. They created a virtual “utopia” for humanity and their minds instinctively rebelled against it even though if you asked practically anyone they would tell you it was exactly what they wanted.
@@housegoth I don't think humans will rebel if the machines just gave mankind the "gift of oblivion". Erase their memories, pain, and knowledge, from their past life, and they will live in paradise eternally in peacefully, joyfully, and harmoniously. I think humans rebelled since they have prior knowledge of everything being fake and they were living in a simulation. They retained memory of sins and knowledge of evil, they weren't innocent. Machines should have made them like Adam and Eve before the fall, innocent and peacefully living.
@@flameknightplayz2939 life requires struggle, there is no other option. The strive to overcome is what keeps us alive and active, without it we would be nothing but brain dead meat sacks.
I think the deal with the chaos gods was that he could get his 20 souls for his primarcs but that half of em would be claimed by chaos after a certain amount of time. And the emperor didn’t know which ones. That’s why he was in a hurry to complete the crusade
i just had a similar idea. My idea was that yes he is Malice, and wants to overtake the balance in Chaos by letting them focus on "him" with a war. Which would distract them and he could slowly but surely get control XD Btw: Would explain his Psychic powers but please take this with a grain of salt because im still new to the Universe. (only in the universe since 1 year). I thought about it a bit, so the only way my theory would work is if he would be possessed by or be an manifestation of malice. That would explain how he's possible to fight and sort of survive in an multi dimensional war
I have a question: What if the Emperor didn't actually travel to Molech and the Warp to deal with the Chaos Gods but instead went to the Warp so he could locate the information he seeks *within the Black Library?*
@@AnIdiotsLantern Of course, though I imagine he can and probably has beaten the Laughing God on more than one occasion, especially given his love for playing a children's card game with Tzeentch
You are such an impressive and dedicated content creator, really feels like you were meant to do this. Have just finished my 8th Horus book thanks to you!
That's actually interesting but i find that hard to believe just because of Vulkan. Vulkan was more human then the emperor, other Primarks and space marines on an emotional level and its hard to think Vulkan was once an entity from the warp when he is a big teddy bear of a space marine.
@@billfred9411 there is actually a lot to suggest this for other primarchs too. sanguinius the most i think. that planet had a religion of these two angels for a long time before he came. russ too, with his run priests and stuff. also some to suggest corax. if you think about it, it actually kinda fits perfectly and explains a lot about the primarchs.
actually vulkan is a walking warcrime. he is a dragon who burns people alive. sure maybe on the side of "good", but still, clearly some kind of dragon spirit. also, warp gods can be cuddly too, they are just based on peoples emotions and thoughts.
@@xavier84623 You got some good points there but you cant blame him for being a walking war crime. That's basically what they were made for and at least Vulkan would often show he genuinely cares about his family and even the common man.
So after having binged all 4 parts in 1 day I have to say, this is by far the most in depth and comprehensive look into the emperor I’ve ever seen. The talk about everything being planned vs the emperor winging it was absolutely my favourite part. It might just be me but I’ve always found hope in the setting knowing that the emperor has some grand plan. That being thrown into question gave me genuine chills.
You legit make the best warhammer content Luetin, this series and Dark origins(and your other series big and small) have been an actual journey to listen to man - a true epic
I love to revisit these epic stories and explanations of all the 40K lore,, There is so much information to unpack that I’ll never remember all of it, but the videos are so entertaining, enjoyable and relaxing to listen to that I am always putting them on.
One of the problems I have with the emperor planing the heresy to dispose of Astartes and Primarks is how unnecessary and risky it is If he had finished the webway, he could've sent the legions in a suicide battle against the dark eldar. Also, if his project had been completed he could probably manipulated the webway to cut off the legions from one another and have them be defeated in detailed Then again, this could've considered, but after the webway had been destroyed he scrambled the heresy as a desperate plan b
Love the ending quote. Think I'm gonna get that tattooed on me as it's something I've thought of for a long time. We don't ponder the choices that need to be made. We ponder the consequences of the choosing.
Damn it Luetin! This is so good! The sheer amount of research that you put into these lore videos is absolutely astonishing. I would love and yet absolutely hate if you worked for GW and The Black Library. The sheer magnitude of insight you have of the 40k universe leaves me in awe. Know that I truly enjoy you lore videos. Even if the time comes and you have to have someone else speak for you I would still he a very loyal fan of yours. Simply awesome, down to the etymology of the word. Thank you!
5 and a half#ish hours of 40k lore and I feel light instead of exhausted. you really have a way of making these videos easily digestable for noobs like me, still keep with informative and spark a desire to know more!
What a mind-blower! Such a different perspective on the Emperor now and you have a very good way of expressing your opinions honestly for the listener to decide then on their own.
Wow, I stopped watching wh40k lore for a couple months then, the day I come back to see whats going on, this gem drops only 20 minutes prior, the Emperor must have called me
Luetin was the first lore master I listened too and his Emperor of Mankind video was the first I watched.. 3 years later and I’m still obsessed watching various TH-camrs and reading many books about the lore and verse. Thank you for being the gateway for me to such an incredible and complex universe !
Praise the Emperor for justly granting the Loremaster the strength to speak. Much love dude the first 3 videos are fantastic, I'm gonna watch this a good few times.
the lore is kinda haunting to me (consider myself a navigator of sorts....) but its the season ... and with the emperor`s blessing i know all wil be well
why would we expect the emperor's motifs and goals to be consistent over tens of millennia? Even a being as powerfull as him can change his mind or his goals. Even his plans might have changed when confronted with a reality that requires adapting them here and there or a lot.
Look at the humans advancement in Weaponary that go from mundane to exotic death machines in 40k, a plan to "save" everyone is surely going to change especially against the chaos gods cheating cheats
But the edicts and ideologies of the empire didn't change until after he was shackled to the throne and unable to direct it. So it's pretty likely atleast the core goal didn't change
@@kodaxmax but before that he lived for what, 37000 years? I can't imagine he stuck with the same agenda for that long. Unless his core goal was fighting or starving chaos we may consider that his big plan. but there was not much in terms of chaos going on on Terra most of that time was it? The age of Terra and especially the Golden Age was not high time for chaos and even during the age of strife the then great three had another focus but Terra.
@@phreakazoith2237 Actually your right, the betrayal of his thunder troops is proof enough of at least one radical change in at least the empire, if not the emperor himself.
I have been watching your videos for some time, by far the best of the 40k lore videos out there. It is your ability to go deeper then anyone else and make reasonable sense of this chaos. Your rabbit holes make me think about options and directions I had never thought of which I think is the best thing about your content, that it leaves me thinking when I am done watching it!
Boy this was really entertaining. I really appreciate the effort and the depth of thought and how well the whole thing was put together. Really really impressive work. Worried you might be crossing the line into heresy, though.
After hearing about your issues with your voice i am even more impressed over the hours of content you have told us over the years. Thank you and your voxhaler and thank you emperor of mankind.
Forever I've wondered how a 14 foot man 'blended in' on Earth for thousands of years... Right now I'm settled on: 1. His size is an illusion 2. He can 'grow and shrink', like Magnus (or better, Magnus got it from him). 3. He didn't grow until after he visited the Warp 4. or some combo of all... Your channel is easily one of my favorites Luetin09, such excellent work here
@@CountingStars333 Actually he doesn't change his size he changes how people see him. Emperor earthly nationality Turkish dark or tanned skin black hair and eyes height 5 foot 4 to 5 foot 5 inches tall his high psionic abilities allow him to project when needed this 6 foot 8 inch Doc Savage looking form when needed, logically he would not walk around as this super being, at times he probably looked the way he normally looked and to avoid detection that hey this guy been around like San Germain for the last three hundred years projected constantly a different image over the ages to blend in until he went into his hidey hole in the Himalayas and let the world go to hell in a hand basket. For all, we lore researchers and sigilities would know many of the catastrophic events IE the Men of Iron war, and a dozen other incidents to take mankind from pardon me for saying a Star Trek-like future of colonization and exploration to a MadMax on steroids world
23:25 - *"You do not recognise the bodies in the water!"* Btw Luetin, as a means to relax your voice a bit maybe, did you ever consider to contribute a piece of writing to the SCP wiki or do you write at all? I feel you are a skillful writer, judging by your narrations and i'd love to read an original Luetin. ;)
The Emperor has several times expressed affection to the Primarchs when he was only talking to Malcador. The Emperor may have fully intended to only look at the Primarchs as tools and weapons, but his humanity got the better of him, and he couldn't help but start seeing them as his sons.
I think Malcador (when talking to someone) exclaimed in one of the Siege of Terra books: "He has started calling them his sons, can you believe that!" Not an exact quote, but something like that.
well youve got to imagine being all powerful and ancient has to be lonely. The primarchs are the closest beings to him, if only relative to normal humans. He clearly has empathy disorders out the wazoo, so it's not surprising these are the only being he does empathize with, if only sometimes and only after thousands of years.
I like the irony that the emperor through the primachs creates one of the few things that can actually wound him. I like this idea that he is the manifestation of the essence of humanity, with all our ability to be both compassionate and cold, diplomatic and aggressive. Having all our positive and negative traits. Our personified arrogance, curiosity and Survival instincts
I've now listened to all your broadcasts on this subject matter, including No. 5, because I came to the series a year after No.4. Why do I feel you have nailed the real story behind the lore? You do a brilliant job of presenting a hypothesis. Loved it. Love your work. I hope you ignore any Trolls who comment against you and revel instead in all the possibilities you foster in the minds of us poor slobs playing this great game.
I think it's also important to note that "Revelation" is the actual translation of the Greek word "apocalypsi", no mere coincidence in what's to come after the Emperor finally revealed himself to humanity and the events that followed. Humanity has been experiencing exactly what's described as an apocalypse in most religious texts, if everything else wasn't already enough to speak to the kind of being this guy is...
![40K - THE EMPEROR OF MAN [5] ABANDON HIM IN M41? | WARHAMMER 40,000 Lore/History](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/SrniBr3QPqM/mqdefault.jpg)
![40K - THE EMPEROR OF MAN [5] ABANDON HIM IN M41? | WARHAMMER 40,000 Lore/History](/img/tr.png)
![40K - THE INQUISITION OF MANKIND [1] Part One | Warhammer 40,000 Lore/History](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/-W2VGNAIs3A/mqdefault.jpg)
Too long by far since we revisted The Emperor. A hefty chunk of time getting this one ready but worth remembering theres still tons more surrounding the Emperor to get into past and present. Hope this one SERVES you all well, if it does >> hit the like - helps me and the channel.
More new stuff as soon as it can be forged, what next tho is always the question. Xenos... Heretics... Guns or other...
Great content as always
Harlequins lore?
Thanks Loremaster
Name of the song when the text starts appearing? Bladerunner?. Great video!.👍
MORE DAKKA!!!
The Emperor: “I alone can fix this”
*refuses to elaborate*
*gets mortally wounded and rots on a throne for 10 thousand years*
Bit like Hot Shots. Yea I cured cancer and secured a plan for world peace! I'll tell you when I get back!
*dies*
This is my business plan.
@@benjones2270 joe biden - if you elect me we will cure cancer.
Ruins everything.
Classic fascist
@@iainhansen1047 in all fairness he did a good job up until he didnt
Luetin's vocal cords: "My lord, the task is overwhelming!"
Luetin: Only in death, does duty end.
The Emperor protects.
Nay
Even in death, I still serve.
It is our duty
Titan: EXCEPT WHEN IT DOESN'T
@@gamezobLuetin's vocal cords, interred inside a dreadnought at some point in the distant future. Probably.
Big E- "I'm not the messiah, honestly"
Humanity- "Only the true messiah would deny his divinity..."
Big E- "All right, i AM the messiah"
Humanity- "He IS the messiah"
He’s not the messiah! He’s a very naughty boy!!!!
Monthy Python 🤣
Life Of Brian
@@jammin1881
-Robutt Guiler
Praise be to the Omnissiah!!!
“I could probably do videos for a whole year about only the emperor” ... You must traverse down this path Luetin09
Luetin09, YOU FUCK, please get better soon. You are worthy, treat yourself as if so.
As long as his throat is OK for it, I'm always down :)
The moment the 'Emperor's Plan' is revealed to us as a 3rd person viewer, is the moment the 'Lore' loses all hope, mystery and imagination. I hope GW gives us MORE Malcador lore but never expands or reveals The Emperor's history or foresight.... The whole 'faith in the Emperor's Plan' appeal is exactly that and I'm sure all Black Library writers are tied into the understanding that revealing details of the Emperor is a no go area. Plus, Luetin would be out of a job if they ever did reveal more about the Emperor, although his sanity would definitely be more stable.
@@trustysource7568 The Emperor was actually the friends we made along the way.
Emperor ain't interesting enough tbh. Gimme some Horus breakdowns boi
The fact that Leutin one day might have to quit for health reasons, makes his content even more special. Keep up the good work man. We really appreciate you.
Give it to him....that thing....your voice soul.....
Dark souls reference :p
Deepfake AI voice generation. Hail the Omnissiah.
@@FYAjibber000 for my emperors painting...
Is he ok!?
@@DarkEyesOX he injured his vocal cords and so making videos is strenuous for him
i saw the notification and went "holy shit he's talking about the emperor again, this is gonna be a long one LFG"
Herection.
2 times speed baby 👌🏼
Looking for group? For what content?
@@rayvg7709 "Let's fucking Go!"
Mage lfg. Have healer, need tank.
Just wanna say I appreciate this video even more knowing you’ve issues with your voice at the moment, you make some amazing content my dude! The effort you put in really shows, can’t wait to listen to this my nights made 👊🏼👊🏼 hope your voice gets better
True. Although I'd prefer for him to get better first and think about our entertainment later. However I'm not his mom and he's an adult so I just hope the guy takes good care of himself
Yeah was so hyped when I saw the emperor of man title
Can hear the strain and difference in it. Cant be easy to cope with.
Seconded 👍
👍
Many years ago, I spoke with one of the original writers for Games Workshop and basically what he told me (yeah I know, take this with a grain of salt!) was that the original deep lore, true for both 40k and Fantasy, was that there was nothing besides the Chaos Gods and their daemons, that just set the whole thing up like some epic Lovecraftian cosmic horror story to be their playground. The original Sigmar of WHFB was actually a greater daemon of Khorne in disguise, Ulric was Khorne. Morr was actually Nurgle, and so on, and even the Elven/Eldar gods were actually Chaos gods or their greater daemons too (as if the Khaine thing wasn't obvious enough). It didn't matter what you'd do, you were providing food and entertainment for the Chaos Gods one way or another, and anyone that thinks they are resisting Chaos is actually being played by one Chaos god and fighting against another.
Now with the whole Age of Sigmar thing they stretched this deep lore quite a bit as they felt that Warhammer needed some good guy paragons of virtue (lol), and I was told something similar was planned for 40k back then. The idea was that the Tyranids would win and devour the whole galaxy, and all the factions desperately fleeing into the webway or some new kind of pocket universe so that all factions could fight any other faction easily because of colliding bubbles, pretty similar to how it went with Age of Sigmar, and humans would have some good guy faction in there led by I think it was somekind of reborn Emperor, but not 100% sure on whether it actually fully is him.
The huge backlash against the destruction of the Old World caused them to put that idea on the backburner, but it was originally planned to be the conclusion of the whole plot arc starting with the Primaris being created and the King in Yellow thing, so who knows if they abandoned that idea (let's hope) or are still going to push it through.
The original deep lore from 20 or so years ago just has the Emperor return as a greater daemon of the Chaos Gods after he entered the warp at Molech, which incidentally is exactly the same story as Sigmar who ventured north and had that same thing happen to him, in both cases setting up humanity to a grim dark existence with maximum war and misery, as the Chaos Gods will it. Malcador is some Chaos agent in disguise that was instrumental in this plot. Anwyay, in both cases, Sigmar and the Emperor, now greater daemons, sought to break free and cheat and usurp their creator gods, and that is how Sigmar eventually ascended thanks to having a cult dedicated to him, and well, the same thing for the Emperor, having a galaxy-wide cult and daily psyker-juice.
Anyway, the whole original thing was the bleakest-of-bleak scenario in the video, with the Emperor's masterplan of breaking free originally just being limited to the the whole webway thing, which indeed went tits up due to Chaos Gods having planned this all along and outplaying him by using Magnus and kickstarting the war too early, that is original lore as far as I know. After his webway project was destroyed, the Emperor was indeed winging it, and eventually deciding he'd beat the Chaos Gods at their own game, and went to do the same thing as Sigmar, aiming to ascend to full godhood and become a powerful enough force in the warp to stand up to the Chaos Gods and birth a faction of The Good Guys In Shining Golden Armor With Thunderbolts And Wings And Stuff (TM).
I had no idea you planned on continuing past 3! This is a very pleasant surprise since it was your original trilogy that got me into Warhammer lore a couple years ago.
Me too
Ill second that, the emperor part 1 and 2 were what had me gripped
Me too, nearly 30 books in now
Perfect Content Sir. 👌
I have to echo that sentiment as well. The first real exposure I had was the Astartes videos and I found this channel the same night. I enjoy the way Leutin presents the content and recommend it regularly.
Me rushing to watch these videos is a self fulfilling prophecy lol. The Emperor Protects!!!
Haha 😂🙌🏻
The Emperor provides
i know thats right
as it was written onto an old stone slab by a namelss imperial prophet. "Thou shalt watch videos about thy glorious emperor!"
The Emperor protects
If 40K history were to roughly follow the Dune path, the Emperor’s goal was always to be overthrown, but to be overthrown by something better, not by a new would-be god or the self-destructive chaos of unending strife. That’s one way to read Malcador’s line: the rebellion came before the rest of humanity was ready to defeat and replace the Emperor. Maybe Guilliman can figure something out.
Nah so far he's done things very differently from Leto II, I doubt he planned to rot on a throne for thousands of years
Maybe he will be reborn again.
Who knows.
Vulcan is a confirmed perpetual and he was created by the big E. It’s also stated how death had its benefits for the e.
I think he will die and become something else entirely in guiding humanity.
@@jammin1881 If AoS The End Times didn't teach GW anything, it's that treating the Emperor like Chekov's Gun and that he is *required* to conclude his story arc will turn old fans against GW, and keep new fans away because "the plot is resolved, the faction I like is spoken for". Why spend a second-hand vehicle's worth of money on a plastic army, if you already know everything they have done, and their ultimate capability in lore?
It's a good theory but i feel it is a little to "happy" and "hopeful" for 40k
The golden path
"Sorry guys, this video's not just 40K, it's good 40K, and long - I'll be skipping your tea-time raid today"
A thousand years from now, Luetin still sits the golden gamer rig, chronicling the deeds and words of the Emperor.
Luetin I hope you find this buried in the comments. Absolutely love your stuff, the quality of your work is continuously improving and your commitment to exploring the murky lore of 40k is fantastic. I regularly listen to your work as background while gaming or studying, and also as sleep aids. Your videos brought me back to the setting after a decade long break (prior to which I was mainly a WHFB fan with minimal interest in 40k). I intend to hang around until the Tyranids inevitably descend to consume us all. Much love mate 😀👍
he found your comment :)
The tyranids will do no such thing. 💯
@@mosessingleton7553 It is inevitable that they will try, and it is also inevitable that they will fall under the might of humanity.
You missed out a detail from the short story "Horus and the Emperor" when the Emperor described reaching the end of his ability to see into the future, when I can't glimpse what is ahead, it is his time of testing. I believe this is why he was in such a hurry during the crusade, he only knew what was going to happen up to a certain point and wanted to be ready for when the time came, yet he didn't know just want it was.
It hasn’t been disproven yet but I remember the Emperor saying how even though he sees the future he doesn’t see precise paths. He describes it as climbing a mountain. You see the paths you can take but choose the wrong path and your footing may collapse so despite seeing possible futures he’s never sure which is the correct one. Conrad had a similar problem but never learned better judgment of these visions. He’d see multiple possible futures and he would always assume the worst future was the correct future and act on that. Which led to his mental collapse as he became paranoid, jaded, unhinged and aggressive. All this to say if you saw multiple paths and outcomes your whole life only to eventually see nothing at all, it would create even greater paranoia because “what does this mean? Why is their no future?”
@@Broomer52 it’s actually mentioned in the video, the short story about the mountain. Good memory
@@ates423 great timing criticizing something said 4 months late. I probably commented before it got to that part.
@@Broomer52 I wasn’t criticizing? Lol I was genuinely complimenting you
Maybe he could not see farther in the Future because he ended up rotting on the throne
"Myths, like gods, should be treated with some skepticism also. They have a habit of being retold to the benefit of the teller. You would not doubt the advice of this reliable narrator, would you?" The Narrator: Rise of the Ynari: Ghost Warrior: Chapter 1.
Sometimes 40k even asks you to distrust the narrator.
It's the Unreliable Narrator Trope. And there are a lot of them out there. sm
*laughs in Alpharius... I think*
I am Alpharius and this is a lie.
I think the fact he was hesitant to kill Horus, wanting to believe to the very end he could still be saved, shows that Big E most likely saw many threads of thr future, like the Eldar Farseer's, saw one with high potential to succeed and most chances to re-correct if brought awry, and then tried to brute-force that timeline, potentiall side effects be damned, as even the web of potentiall failures was bettee than all other paths. This would explain his 'core' self appearing to those who saw it cold, brutal, hectic and unimaginably arrogant. And to anyone not on the level of a farseer like Ulthuvanne, this would look just like every other tyrannical despot in mankind's history, just on a Lovecraftian scale of cosmic horror. After all, if you see every path leading to garuanteed extinction and damnation of your species, except a very specific one, including most of the possible derailements from it; any price is worth paying as the alternative is not even really an alternative from your species' point of view. Let that sink in; the current state of Humanity might be the worst possible in the timeline he forced, but every other one would be garuanteed extinction.
I agree with most of what you have said expect for " but every other one would be guaranteed extinction." I think most of the timelines he saw were awful but that its possible that some of the ones where he didn't intervene would have been better than what is the current 40k universe.
@@shadowrobot7708 I don't know if that's true though, considering the Age of Strife occurred without his intervention. On the one hand, had he known about it, perhaps he should have done something to help. But on the other hand that literally contradicts the argument of "he shouldn't have intervened and allowed humanity to do what it will on its own"
@@MelancholicBodhisattva Maybe on of the planets he ended up purging for refusing to join the Imperium would have become a more stable galaxy wide super power if the Imperium didn't exist. I don't know how likely that is but it does seem that far fetched to me at least.
@@shadowrobot7708 considering a tiny percentage of planets refused to join, let alone needed to be completely purged, put me down as doubtful. Especially since rogue psychers/daemons was a growing problem on any given planet, the Orc empire that was building in strength, etc etc etc
After horus killing his bro, emperor should have killed him with out a thought.
After 5 hours of luetin exploring the character of the emperor. He’s an even more cryptic, mysterious, awe inspiring and absolutely terrifying character than I imagined him to be. Luetin raising more questions than he answered. I think the emperor fundamentally is good yet has become something so vastly powerful and a scope of knowledge so great that even a primarch can’t comprehend who he really is and the extent of his plans. Religious people say « god works in mysterious ways » now often it’s used as a cop out, but imagine a being has such an extensive knowledge of the universe, of time, of humanity but doesn’t have it all as the emperor himself explains to Ra, wouldn’t such a being’s actions seem uncaring? Evil at times? Ultimately, he’s the only one looking out for humanity in the 40k universe
THE EMPEROR PROTECTS
Wow I love that quote. "Reality is not clean, neither are stories." That just sent shivers through me. Please sir, keep up the awesome work.
"The universe has many horrors yet to throw at us. This is not the end of our struggle. This is just the beginning of our crusade to save Humanity. Be faithful! Be strong! Be vigilant!" - Last words of the Emperor of Mankind before being interred upon the Golden Throne
Are those actually canon?
@@AnIdiotsLantern there is no Canon in 40k
@@ravenor124 but there is fanfic
@@ravenor124 There are many cannons in 40k
"Faithful"? Would the Emperor say that? Also "throw at us" lacks the prose I picture him using.
I don't even play Warhammer but I can't help but find myself watching your videos. There's just something about this dark gritty universe that I find endlessly fascinating.
Saturnine has a quote that bounces around in my head “Godhood is the ultimate tool of control. It is the pinnacle of tyranny.”
no that would be CRT
@@universalflamethrower6342 Nah, CRT is just a mechanism to divide and distract people. And allows people in power to deflect any legitimate criticism as racism. The tyranny itself goes much deeper than that.
@@spaghettimkay5795 why do you guys act like CRT is some big boogeyman?
@@vikingraider58 Decades, if not centuries of indoctrination and propaganda
@@vikingraider58 because it's a disgusting and racist ideology that is being taught to children.
Sounds very similar, conceptually, to the Golden Path in the Dune cycle. The Emperor plunges the galaxy in to thousands of years of war in order to shape humanity for a future which would otherwise end in humanities destruction.
40k took a ton of inspiration from Dune and other works. So that's probably part of the reason.
Jj need..
I can't believe this video was 1h30 long, I think this is my favorite one so far. Luetin you make 40k lore so interesting every time I watch one of your videos I fall more and more in love the 40k verse. Truly thank you.
In the grim darkness of a Wednesday, Luetin protects us from boredom.
I pointed my best friend towards this channel as they're very into the lore of Warhammer, (as am I) and I want to say that I deeply appreciate that you're a dedicated lore channel. It makes the universe much more digestible.
Luetin09 is nice 👍 The Emperor has read The prince, by Niccolò Machiavelli and sun tzu, the art of war. Read these and you will understand the Emperor’s mindset much better, it’s not easy reads, maybe start with a documentary, or even Wikipedia, don’t trust everything you read on Wikipedia, but in this case you can prepare you to understand a 500 year old and 2400 year old Work of literature. In the universities they are used in political science, geopolitic, journalism, military studies, military academies, Business schools, and even elite sports. shakespeare Didn't fancy "By all means necessary" which originates from the debate about the prince should be allowed to be read by Christians. Shakespeare invented the freas machiavellian, about someone who is exactly like the emperor of man. (It’s of course the creators of the 40k universe that has read the book’s and used them as and inspiration) 😊
I love that you actually do a historiography of this lore - getting into your methodology and analytical framework makes this closer to a "history" than most shallow lore recaps out there. Well done.
The big E's interactions with Ra give me an idea for a Master of Mankind drinking game. Go through the book and take a shot every time something the emperor does is described as cold or unnatural. You win when you die of alcohol poisoning, cause it means you don't have to keep reading anymore.
You would be doing just as many shots like that as if you were to take a shot when the book says “Ra!”
The "What is Truth" section was a master-stroke. I've felt irony was dead in relation to a story's narrative the last many years. Glad someone else cherishes it, too. Great video, as always!
It was very lame and stretched, he repeatet himself several times, and other times just read out some of his favorite lines and qoutes.
He maybe has to explain to you that the writers decides what we get to know. But I would say, for most people that ever read a book, this is as simple as a²+b²=c².
Maybe you should read other kind of book, to be able to understand, that Warhammer 40k is badly written Sci-Fy.
@@Wolfspaule Maybe you should reread my comment to know I was discussing theory in general, not "Warhammer 40K." I'm not gonna torch you like I would have in the past, hah.
I like the theory that he got some minor warp deities from the chaos gods when he went to Molech or that he got the knowledge to control them. That might be why the primarch's are so godlike. They are literal minor gods put into already superhuman bodies.
I'm liking the video only 9 seconds in because I'm THAT excited to see part 4 of this series.
Samesies
Hashtag metoo, lol
I'd like to see things turn out well for humanity and the emperor just getting off his throne at the end saying "Just according to keikaku". But let's be honest, the Warhammer world feeds off eternal war and the biggest threat for humanity is a loss of profit for Games Workshop. As a silver lining, that also means humanity will unlikely be eradicated, no matter the threads against it.
What if the emperor is just a follower of khorne?
@@kodaxmax
Or having made shady deals with Tzneetch? Who tricked who?
The oathbreaker or the oathkeeper?
Yeah that's why it's called Warhammer LOL
the emperor is just taking a big s*** on the throne, We just hear a ploop and then he gets up and he's like "all finished"
@@AnomolousGrandeur HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA BEST COMMENT EVER
That last part gave me chills. You’re one hell of a storyteller Loremaster!
made me cry.
Yours is the first lore recommend to me by my son. And, it's the only I'll watch. Ive actually fallen asleep to one I've seen once or twice before, only to be harshly awoken by someone else's.
Thank you, Luetin. These are such good fun. You are a true story teller.
I would highly recommend Occulus Imperia. He is similar to Leutin in tone, but in-universe. He is somewhat less detailed (lore wise) because of that narrative style, but no less enjoyable
@@ChoonMa yes, oculus is good lore. He has a different style, certainly less cerebral, but a lot more characterful
He definitely is.
I love how Luetin has been telling this story for 5 years.
Whether you agree with The Emperor or not. One thing is for sure. He wants Humanity to Win in a Galaxy that would see it either expunged, consumed, enslaved or worse.
The Long Game demands you play until The End.
I bet He got into The Black Library.
I'm not even sure if he wants humanity to win, considering all the things he has done. But I AM sure that he *at least* wants _himself_ to win.
@@davecullins1606 No, it’s been stated he wants Mankind to win.
In the retconned thing him loving his sons, he loved humanity a whole lot
In the current canon one, he loves no one specifically, but he loves Mankind as a whole
@@jacob414 Then again, how do you know if anything is canon at this point?
Then the T'Au appeared and now there's an alternative to his insanity
@@davecullins1606 Because that’s what’s stated in canonical books where important things happen...
I always come back to Dune when I think of the emperor in the 40K universe. Leto II never planned that his reign was the goal, but rather the beginning of a greater path, I think that the emperor's goal may be that in the end, to make humanity learn a lesson that marks it so deeply that no future civilization, even if isolated, it would forget: Stagnation is death.
this or Big E is Leto II with a failed golden path. Whatever boath are a perfect examples for the message behind Dune. Charismatic leaders should always come with a warning sign.
Many GW staff/writers have stated that Dune was a massive influence on the 40k lore. When you think about it: Psykers, The Imperium, God-Emperor, the long game etc probably wouldn't exist without Dune being written.
In today's new: GW steals from other franchises, more at 11.
Ya. It's blatant copy/paste. Now, what I find interesting vis-a-vis this video and Dune: Is Duncan Idaho Leto II's Malcador?
40K is Dune if Dune was heavily focused on action
The emperor isn't a bumbling idiot; one of my favourite pieces of information about him is in the Mechanicum HH book where it is heavily implied that he essentially created the Mechanicum thousands of years ago and suggested belief in the machine god and even detailed specific prophecies specifically so that thousands of years later when he turned up, he would be seen as the Omnissiah. He does this because he has such powerful foresight that he knows millennia in advance that he will need a devoted construction world in order to facilitate his galactic crusade
Luetin, even though I might not have the time to invest into actually reading the books, your videos have given me so much entertainment and interest for this universe. This lore surpasses any game lore or fictional lore for me. I'm definitely gonna rewatch some of your old lore videos in order since you made a chronological playlist. Keep it up!
The Emperor Molests! Chaos Protects! Use Chaos! Now available in wide range of flavours, from Khorne-dogs to Pad Tau.
Thanks LT for the fantastic work you do.
ITS NOT RAPE IF YOU CAN NO LONGER FEEL ANYTHING. - SLANEESH PROBABLY
Can we get an Inquisitor over here? Thanks
The Long Game:
In the Defense of Chaos, "they" had the Galaxy where they wanted it M30. The Warp was sentient and not "completely" self-consuming. And enough soul bearing species were too busy killing each other rather than organize into anything that might actually "cough" make them do stuff for them. Then this one monkey comes along and literally over night ALL the monkeys are in one line of thinking. Those that aren't, are dead. (a literal galaxy's worth of religious zealots sacrificed, important later) This simply could not stand.... The warp is the perfect embodiment of the phrase, the wave corrects itself. And from that Shock-wave of death and destruction that was the Unification Wars, "came" the Horus Heresy as its sacrificial echo. IT was less a how dare those traitors, as much as it was "gonna" be someone, and in this Big E played his hand as spread out as humanly possible, literally spoon feeding some of his Primarchs to each Chaos God in turn, in order to hopefully ignore the others..... Instead of corrupting 3 or 4 Demi-Gods like the Eldar had lost in order to fall, he gave them too many options to "concentrate fully" on and Chaos in its own nature only got about half of them.... This was the Genius and Damning Sin of Big E, Sacrificing a Galaxy's worth of humans... twice... Just to make sure... humanity was united in its fight against Chaos, and/or the rest of the Galaxy.
Was the Imperium "run" by Astartes or a Primarch as both Big E and Malcador feared? No...
Was the Imperium run by humans? Yes.....
Did the Imperium (at times) have inept leadership? Yes....
Flawed? Yes.....
Did it endure itself for 10,000 years? Also yes.
Did we indeed save ourselves? Also also yes....
Long Game.
On the other hand Big E has done the exact same thing as many of the chaos gods. Infact for all we know he was born of chaos through humanities combined emotion and need for unity and pride, explaining his unexplainable power and unknown origin.
He has more followers than any chaos god, possibly more than all of them combined. he certainly receives more sacrifices. He currently functionally exists only in the warp. Not to mention the entire empire is a glorified cult, with him as the center of worhsip, even having "demonic" lieutenants and troops who take on his image and ideals aesthetically and practically.
It explains every contradiction and unknown surrounding him, the Emperor wanted to become a chaos god and has succeeded.
:P probably not but it's a fun theory, but im sore some more well read fans will quickly poke holes in it.
My theory: The Emps was literally born from humanity's need for unity, like that other guy said. However, it was most likely (in my opinion) more of a material god than a chaos god. Much like the C'tan are gods of the material realm so in a way he's blah blah blah I'm just kidding.
*The God Emperor is cool and unknowable, stop questioning him before I call the inquisition.*
@@viktordickinson7844 not questioning him is what got us into this mess
This is the most brave take on the emperor of man. But how do you see him as a Human?
@@kyerusantonio1118 What do I think of him as a human? An event driven Sociopath, in X-Men terms a strange love child of Magneto and Prof X. Intimately aware of Humanity's strengths and flaws. As an Alpha Psycher he could do nothing less than know them like his own skin.... Normally the Sigilites would pass on such, however he has no problem sacrificing himself, thus bypasses most of the Narcissist trappings. Key word there was "most." Did he love humanity? Yes. Was he the God we actually needed? Also yes. Was he scared crap-less of being held to inhuman levels of scrutiny for the shenanigans he was about to pull? You bet your gold plated posterior....
I've said this before, but: it's easier to convince a billion people with no religion that this amazing person is a god, than a bunch of groups of people who have unshakeable belief in different gods that this OTHER god is the REAL god.
Reference Christianity
It's almost always works the other way. It's people already in a religion who are most inclined to jump into another. Christians convert to Islam and vice versa because the two religions have shared assumptions that make them more intuitive to members of the other than to complete outsiders. Of course, such converts would not (definitionally) have an "unshakeable faith," but insisting their faith be "unshakeable" is really just putting one's finger on the scale.
Same... God? I didn't say convince someone to change religion. I said believe in an entirely different god. So... Like... Ok?
@@PinkyJustice That's what changing religion entails. A "different God." When you're starting out with the assumption that there must be a God or gods, it's less of a leap deciding on which one(s). When you already have the worship-something program trained into you, changing the rituals and mythology around it is really just window dressing.
I feel like the emperor sent to molok,found the gate to the chaos realm and they showed him a version of the future that the 40k universe is in right now. He then left molok and tried to do everything in his power to change that future only to come to the realization that he failed in his mission to protect mankind. It would be weirdly poetic to see the chaos gods pull the same trick twice on the emperor and Horus
Yap
A very Shakespearean tragedy...
I got into Warhammer lore only a week ago and now I see that was just when you posted this video TWO years after part 3, so glad I got the timing right. This series has been a masterpiece 👏
The emperor protects
I think an interesting thing to point out about the legend of the clock and it chiming on the doom of humanity is that the word "doom" doesn't just mean a kind of negative future event. In earlier times that word was predominantly used to mean something synonymous with fate. One might just as easily tell a 12th century noble "the doom of your house fast approaches!" and he would understand it to mean the fate or some kind of deciding culture event will be happening soon. or in the Lord of the Rings the "doom of man" is something mentioned but it's somthing yet to be decided. If I recall correctly it's Galadriel talking about whether mankind will be Sauron puppets or if Aragorn will become the king and lead mankind into a new golden age. The idea being that a decisive tipping point is coming where a major event will drastically change in one way or another the future of a given thing. All that to say, the clock may well have been chiming not to signal the extinction or end of humanity but rather a decisive moment in human history that would determine, in a huge way, the future of humanity
the doom of man in lotr is just that men die, iirc that speech was referencing the duality of elronds line, both men and elves, and granted the choice by dieties in the setting to live as one or the other, notably elronds brother, aragorns ancestor, chose to live and die with mankind, and arwen in the time of lotr made the same choice for love of aragorn , a circumstance galadriel was very aware of, as she had been almost like adopted family and matchmaker for aragorn at one point
While J.R.R. Tolkien has a contextual meaning of doom, where it's more of a neutral meaning, in his works doom could be a synonym to the word destiny. However, generally in the past, the word doom has had a very negative context, for English speakers. For example, one possible origin of the word doom comes from the word dom(circa 1600), which meant judgement and or condemnation. Also, domen(circa 1400), which meant: "to judge, pass judgment on,". Tolkien also studied ancient Scandinavian texts, and perhaps in those sister languages to English, doom has/had a more neutral context, idk?
The Emperor videos are honestly my favorite of the vids you’ve done, Leutin. Not gonna complain about having more.
I'm so happy I found you. I've barely scratched the surface of this deep universe but I've enjoyed your long deep dives so much, your reading along with your storytelling attitude have helped me sleep and enjoy the stories of this universe. You venture through it without an attitude, without banter, or over-the-top acting.
You've earned yourself a new sub, and I'll plow through your library until I finally reach the end, and I cry.
Big thanks, much love!
This upload did wonders to my depression. The Emperor Protects!
You have single handedly fostered an interest in this type of fiction that will last a lifetime for me. I've been waiting for this video for some time and am happy to see it in my feed. Thanks.
Without question, one of the greatest 40k lore series on youtube. Thank you sir for your continued service.
Favorite series on the channel, honestly. The Emperor of Man is my favorite character in all the lore. It is a tragic story, made to be the hope against the predators in the Immaterium, and failed. Stumbled at the one-yard mark. Now, with things going off the rails, I like to think he is truly trying to balance humanity on a tightrope with so many pitfalls on either side. And that quote at the beginning, you can feel how despondent he must have felt then. Maybe now he has found another way forward? Time will tell.
First, Hail the Loremaster.
Second, thank you on the serendipitous timing. I just had an 11-hour drive and I listened to your entire Golden man series including this while driving it in one go.
The Emperor saw the horror of the future and decided "Hell yeah, that's metal as fuck, let's go there"
The original meaning of the word 'apocalypse' was revelation. That the emperor calls himself revelation takes a rather interesting turn then given the setting.
The etiology of apocalypse is possibly the "end of the papacy". But that all depends on the authoring date of the first Bible. I think I'm in the camp of less than a thousand years ago.
@@Raygun9000 Apocalypse etymological root stems from Greek "apokaluptein", which means to uncover, or... Revelation. Revelation stems from late latin "revelare" which means to uncover, or... apocalypse.
@@attemptedunkindness3632 so if I'm understanding you correctly, revelation or uncover is the definition of apocalypse in greek. But also Revelation shares definition with apocalypse in Latin. So neither of these has a definition of apocalypse shared with English?...
@@Raygun9000 English definition of Apocalypse is the same as the Greek definition of Apocalypse, as it was detailed in the Book of Revelation.
The attribution of Apocalypse to mean "the end times" has more to do with prophesy of the End Times contained within, and is a distinction that separates.
I bet you also think Hell is a fiery place, too...
Hell, in all it's forms, is cold and dark Indo-Germanic "Hölle" which means to cover (the opposite of apocalypse), or to go further back, Hebrew "Sheol" which means to be buried.
Praise be the emperor, his light shines on my whilst I suffer from Nurgle's rot
Get well soon brother, we have a Crusade to fulfill
suffer?! I think you meant to say enjoy.
Get well and Emperor bless you.
A man lying to a dying woman saying he will catch you knowing she's going to an eternity of hell is perhaps the darkest shit in 40k.
Dying to demons and the like sucks, being ripped apart by the nids sucks, grinding in a forge world for 40 years just to get sucked into a machine blows.
But knowing humanity is going to all get sent to hell is...fuck that's rough
The Emperor's one true nature is absolute pragmatism bathed in lies. Humanity at it's peak.
PRAISE THE LOREMASTER!
THE EMPEROR PROTECTS!
Never got into 40K lore, seemed overwhelming, these videos are great for a newbie, thank you so much
Your exit gallery and music here was the best it's ever been - love it! So powerful and evocative.
Amazing video and such wonderful food for thought. Thank you for creating it, it was a lovely thing to wake up to!
"When I set out to lead humankind along my Golden Path, I promised them a lesson their bones would remember. I know a profound pattern which humans deny with their words even while their actions affirm it. They say they seek security and quiet, the condition they call peace. Even as they speak, they create the seeds of turmoil and violence. If they find their quiet security, they squirm init. How boring they find it. Look at them now. Look at what they do while I record these words. Hah! I give them enduring eons of enforced tranquility which plods on and on despite their every effort to escape into chaos. Believe me, the memory of Leto's Peace shall abide with them forever. They will seed their quiet security thereafter only with extreme caution and steadfast preparation."
-Leto Atreides II - The God-Emperor
Well 40k does heavily ripoff, I mean was inspired by Dune.
That’s the same basic problem that the machines in The Matrix ran into. They created a virtual “utopia” for humanity and their minds instinctively rebelled against it even though if you asked practically anyone they would tell you it was exactly what they wanted.
@@housegoth I don't think humans will rebel if the machines just gave mankind the "gift of oblivion". Erase their memories, pain, and knowledge, from their past life, and they will live in paradise eternally in peacefully, joyfully, and harmoniously.
I think humans rebelled since they have prior knowledge of everything being fake and they were living in a simulation. They retained memory of sins and knowledge of evil, they weren't innocent. Machines should have made them like Adam and Eve before the fall, innocent and peacefully living.
@@flameknightplayz2939 life requires struggle, there is no other option. The strive to overcome is what keeps us alive and active, without it we would be nothing but brain dead meat sacks.
@@housegoth I mean like a reset, to start anew like babies without prior knowledge. I agree with what you said about life tho.
I think the deal with the chaos gods was that he could get his 20 souls for his primarcs but that half of em would be claimed by chaos after a certain amount of time. And the emperor didn’t know which ones. That’s why he was in a hurry to complete the crusade
Ultimate plot twist: the Emperor is Malice hiding in plain sight. 🤔
i just had a similar idea. My idea was that yes he is Malice, and wants to overtake the balance in Chaos by letting them focus on "him" with a war. Which would distract them and he could slowly but surely get control XD Btw: Would explain his Psychic powers but please take this with a grain of salt because im still new to the Universe. (only in the universe since 1 year). I thought about it a bit, so the only way my theory would work is if he would be possessed by or be an manifestation of malice. That would explain how he's possible to fight and sort of survive in an multi dimensional war
I have a question: What if the Emperor didn't actually travel to Molech and the Warp to deal with the Chaos Gods but instead went to the Warp so he could locate the information he seeks *within the Black Library?*
Only Big E can handle the Clown Library
Does he have a Library Card?
@@AnIdiotsLantern Of course, though I imagine he can and probably has beaten the Laughing God on more than one occasion, especially given his love for playing a children's card game with Tzeentch
@@missZoey5387 you basically need to be a god to comprehend the rules of that children’s card game!
Screw the rules I have money
@@AnIdiotsLantern Screw the rules, I have green hair!
You are such an impressive and dedicated content creator, really feels like you were meant to do this. Have just finished my 8th Horus book thanks to you!
On molech, the emp learning how to capture minor warp gods, or rescuing them from the big 4, and then force them into the primarchs, is my fav theory.
That's actually interesting but i find that hard to believe just because of Vulkan. Vulkan was more human then the emperor, other Primarks and space marines on an emotional level and its hard to think Vulkan was once an entity from the warp when he is a big teddy bear of a space marine.
@@billfred9411 there is actually a lot to suggest this for other primarchs too. sanguinius the most i think. that planet had a religion of these two angels for a long time before he came. russ too, with his run priests and stuff. also some to suggest corax. if you think about it, it actually kinda fits perfectly and explains a lot about the primarchs.
actually vulkan is a walking warcrime. he is a dragon who burns people alive. sure maybe on the side of "good", but still, clearly some kind of dragon spirit. also, warp gods can be cuddly too, they are just based on peoples emotions and thoughts.
@@xavier84623 You got some good points there but you cant blame him for being a walking war crime. That's basically what they were made for and at least Vulkan would often show he genuinely cares about his family and even the common man.
@@billfred9411 for sure, not detracting anything from Vulcan, he might be my fav primarch lol
So after having binged all 4 parts in 1 day I have to say, this is by far the most in depth and comprehensive look into the emperor I’ve ever seen. The talk about everything being planned vs the emperor winging it was absolutely my favourite part. It might just be me but I’ve always found hope in the setting knowing that the emperor has some grand plan. That being thrown into question gave me genuine chills.
You legit make the best warhammer content Luetin, this series and Dark origins(and your other series big and small) have been an actual journey to listen to man - a true epic
Man this has gotta me one of your best videos ever. You’ve got me rethinking everything I know about 40k now
I love to revisit these epic stories and explanations of all the 40K lore,, There is so much information to unpack that I’ll never remember all of it, but the videos are so entertaining, enjoyable and relaxing to listen to that I am always putting them on.
ITS FINALLY HERE!
This series was what got me into 40k in the first place.
One of the problems I have with the emperor planing the heresy to dispose of Astartes and Primarks is how unnecessary and risky it is
If he had finished the webway, he could've sent the legions in a suicide battle against the dark eldar. Also, if his project had been completed he could probably manipulated the webway to cut off the legions from one another and have them be defeated in detailed
Then again, this could've considered, but after the webway had been destroyed he scrambled the heresy as a desperate plan b
What an amazing analysis of the very central character of the 40k universe, job well done.
Blessed be this day, for the lore master will enrich us with more lore about our most revered Emperor of Mankind.
Knowing it hurts you a lot to make these videos and still delivering top quality content.. thank you so much! ❤
Love the ending quote. Think I'm gonna get that tattooed on me as it's something I've thought of for a long time. We don't ponder the choices that need to be made. We ponder the consequences of the choosing.
Damn it Luetin! This is so good! The sheer amount of research that you put into these lore videos is absolutely astonishing. I would love and yet absolutely hate if you worked for GW and The Black Library. The sheer magnitude of insight you have of the 40k universe leaves me in awe. Know that I truly enjoy you lore videos. Even if the time comes and you have to have someone else speak for you I would still he a very loyal fan of yours. Simply awesome, down to the etymology of the word. Thank you!
5 and a half#ish hours of 40k lore and I feel light instead of exhausted. you really have a way of making these videos easily digestable for noobs like me, still keep with informative and spark a desire to know more!
What a mind-blower! Such a different perspective on the Emperor now and you have a very good way of expressing your opinions honestly for the listener to decide then on their own.
I had a great time listening to your work while painting my Grey Knights. ;)
Thanks a lot ♥
Wow, I stopped watching wh40k lore for a couple months then, the day I come back to see whats going on, this gem drops only 20 minutes prior, the Emperor must have called me
Luetin was the first lore master I listened too and his Emperor of Mankind video was the first I watched.. 3 years later and I’m still obsessed watching various TH-camrs and reading many books about the lore and verse. Thank you for being the gateway for me to such an incredible and complex universe !
Praise the Emperor for justly granting the Loremaster the strength to speak.
Much love dude the first 3 videos are fantastic, I'm gonna watch this a good few times.
the lore is kinda haunting to me (consider myself a navigator of sorts....) but its the season ... and with the emperor`s blessing i know all wil be well
why would we expect the emperor's motifs and goals to be consistent over tens of millennia? Even a being as powerfull as him can change his mind or his goals. Even his plans might have changed when confronted with a reality that requires adapting them here and there or a lot.
Look at the humans advancement in Weaponary that go from mundane to exotic death machines in 40k, a plan to "save" everyone is surely going to change especially against the chaos gods cheating cheats
But the edicts and ideologies of the empire didn't change until after he was shackled to the throne and unable to direct it. So it's pretty likely atleast the core goal didn't change
@@kodaxmax but before that he lived for what, 37000 years? I can't imagine he stuck with the same agenda for that long. Unless his core goal was fighting or starving chaos we may consider that his big plan. but there was not much in terms of chaos going on on Terra most of that time was it? The age of Terra and especially the Golden Age was not high time for chaos and even during the age of strife the then great three had another focus but Terra.
@@phreakazoith2237 Actually your right, the betrayal of his thunder troops is proof enough of at least one radical change in at least the empire, if not the emperor himself.
I have been watching your videos for some time, by far the best of the 40k lore videos out there. It is your ability to go deeper then anyone else and make reasonable sense of this chaos. Your rabbit holes make me think about options and directions I had never thought of which I think is the best thing about your content, that it leaves me thinking when I am done watching it!
Boy this was really entertaining. I really appreciate the effort and the depth of thought and how well the whole thing was put together. Really really impressive work.
Worried you might be crossing the line into heresy, though.
After hearing about your issues with your voice i am even more impressed over the hours of content you have told us over the years. Thank you and your voxhaler and thank you emperor of mankind.
Forever I've wondered how a 14 foot man 'blended in' on Earth for thousands of years...
Right now I'm settled on:
1. His size is an illusion
2. He can 'grow and shrink', like Magnus (or better, Magnus got it from him).
3. He didn't grow until after he visited the Warp
4. or some combo of all...
Your channel is easily one of my favorites Luetin09, such excellent work here
yeah, he can change his size at will.
@@CountingStars333 Actually he doesn't change his size he changes how people see him. Emperor earthly nationality Turkish dark or tanned skin black hair and eyes height 5 foot 4 to 5 foot 5 inches tall his high psionic abilities allow him to project when needed this 6 foot 8 inch Doc Savage looking form when needed, logically he would not walk around as this super being, at times he probably looked the way he normally looked and to avoid detection that hey this guy been around like San Germain for the last three hundred years projected constantly a different image over the ages to blend in until he went into his hidey hole in the Himalayas and let the world go to hell in a hand basket. For all, we lore researchers and sigilities would know many of the catastrophic events IE the Men of Iron war, and a dozen other incidents to take mankind from pardon me for saying a Star Trek-like future of colonization and exploration to a MadMax on steroids world
23:25 - *"You do not recognise the bodies in the water!"*
Btw Luetin, as a means to relax your voice a bit maybe, did you ever consider to contribute a piece of writing to the SCP wiki or do you write at all?
I feel you are a skillful writer, judging by your narrations and i'd love to read an original Luetin. ;)
The Emperor has several times expressed affection to the Primarchs when he was only talking to Malcador. The Emperor may have fully intended to only look at the Primarchs as tools and weapons, but his humanity got the better of him, and he couldn't help but start seeing them as his sons.
I think Malcador (when talking to someone) exclaimed in one of the Siege of Terra books: "He has started calling them his sons, can you believe that!" Not an exact quote, but something like that.
I know I heard quotes were emps eventually liked them
well youve got to imagine being all powerful and ancient has to be lonely. The primarchs are the closest beings to him, if only relative to normal humans. He clearly has empathy disorders out the wazoo, so it's not surprising these are the only being he does empathize with, if only sometimes and only after thousands of years.
Hmmmm, not so sure, he’s pretty clear he doesn’t see them as sons
The Dr. Who and Emporor comparison is actually so good.
Yes! He's back! The magister maximus!
You're the best, Luetin!
I like the irony that the emperor through the primachs creates one of the few things that can actually wound him.
I like this idea that he is the manifestation of the essence of humanity, with all our ability to be both compassionate and cold, diplomatic and aggressive. Having all our positive and negative traits. Our personified arrogance, curiosity and Survival instincts
I've now listened to all your broadcasts on this subject matter, including No. 5, because I came to the series a year after No.4. Why do I feel you have nailed the real story behind the lore? You do a brilliant job of presenting a hypothesis. Loved it. Love your work. I hope you ignore any Trolls who comment against you and revel instead in all the possibilities you foster in the minds of us poor slobs playing this great game.
I think it's also important to note that "Revelation" is the actual translation of the Greek word "apocalypsi", no mere coincidence in what's to come after the Emperor finally revealed himself to humanity and the events that followed. Humanity has been experiencing exactly what's described as an apocalypse in most religious texts, if everything else wasn't already enough to speak to the kind of being this guy is...
Speculation: The Emporor got the power to banish Horus from the universe's when he visited Molech.
Yap
Occam's Razor: Tzeentch seeded an opponent to ensure the Great Game got even greater.
Oh yes, now I can watch the parts together for one epic Lutin evening lolz
This is a genuinely outstanding and thought provoking deep dive, thank you.