Hi Thomas, may I ask what exactly are the differences between the Telos series and Helion/Axion series? From what I read simply sounds like Telos allows you to upgrade parts in the future, but else than that I don't quite get why they divided their products into this "Telos" series.
The Telos has superseded the Helion as Pulsar's flagship thermal monocular. I'd say some it's best new and unique features are: 1. It's upgradable 2. Option of a Laser Range Finder 3. Lots of sensors options (incl XL & Digital Night Vision) 4. Smooth digital zooming 5. A hands-free harness The Axion has the same, European made, build quality and the software operates / looks the same but it some of the main points of difference are: 1. Compact and lightweight 2. Smaller lenses, which influence image quality . 3. Fewer sensor options. 4. Affordability. We've produced a guide to help people decide which thermal to buy: th-cam.com/video/cA1IbOg3FCY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=_ycSSJzpMxsAkS8Z And this video shows you some of the Axions head-to-head with a Telos: th-cam.com/video/v_DTaPtWor8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=mnSDowfzLWyiVElU
@@thomasjacksltd Thanks for the reply, So I suspect that Helion is no longer produced and sold by Pulsar? I guess that explains why Helion products showed up when I googled, but I couldn't find any information in the Pulsar website. By the way, your channel is extremely helpful and informative. Especially when there's not much info out there - all the blog posts are either old or more focused on hunting. I am trying to get myself one for nocturnal birding (and finding birds in fields in colder days as well). I am trying to see if I should go for Telos XP50 or XG50. As a binocular user, I know anything higher than x10 zoom will make it hard to use it in-hand, which makes XP50 more preferable to me. Also the lower NETD of XP50 sounds like another favorable feather over XG50. Despite losing some detection range, I'm thinking that XP50 would be a better choice.
@@birb3378 We're just setting up a TH-cam channel for those with a more bird / wildlife interest: www.youtube.com/@TJ-Focus It's one to keep an eye on (and subscribe to) if you like what we do here. Thanks for the feedback on the channel and either the XG or XP Telos would be ideal. I'd recommend visiting a retailer, or event where you can try / compare them for yourself.
@@thomasjacksltdwhats the difference between a monoculare vs binocular? It it anything performance based or is the merger xp 50 the same as the telos xp 50 , just with the difference that its for obe eye only?
@@thomasjacksltdThanks, I think I would go for the mono then. Since you tested the xl50 in another video, how would it compare against the telos under the same bad conditions? better or worse?
That would be an interesting test! The Telos has larger 17µm pixels, so they individually capture more thermal information in tricky weather. However, the Merger has more than double the number of pixels (1024x768 versus 640x480) - which means finer detail and more capability to zoom in. It would be a better all-rounder! @@yaykruser
I certainly feels as robust as anything else from Pulsar; I've never known them to compromise on build quality. It's one of the many things that sets them apart... (and should anything go wrong don't forget there's a 3 year warranty, exceptional after sales assistance and this model is upgradable).
Nothing consciously. I went through all the settings on both the Helion and Telos to get the best image for the conditions. My conclusion: The Telos had a better image in high humidity. On a different day the results might have been different because the Helion2 XP50 PRO is an incredible bit of kit.
@@thomasjacksltd I spoke with a pulsar rep and was told around 7k but who knows for sure. I would think at 7k they may price themselves out of business for that model
@@Twinnzllc Not sure where you got your info but it's not correct and didn't come from a UK Pulsar rep. As the Telos LRF XP50 is going to be a lot more affordable than you thought, can put you in touch with a retailer for a pre-order?
Prices are now out and you'll be pleasantly surprised: £3399.95 for the Telos XP50 LRF £3099.95 for the Telos XP50 (Both are SRP's for the UK, correct at June 2023)
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Hi Thomas, may I ask what exactly are the differences between the Telos series and Helion/Axion series? From what I read simply sounds like Telos allows you to upgrade parts in the future, but else than that I don't quite get why they divided their products into this "Telos" series.
The Telos has superseded the Helion as Pulsar's flagship thermal monocular. I'd say some it's best new and unique features are:
1. It's upgradable
2. Option of a Laser Range Finder
3. Lots of sensors options (incl XL & Digital Night Vision)
4. Smooth digital zooming
5. A hands-free harness
The Axion has the same, European made, build quality and the software operates / looks the same but it some of the main points of difference are:
1. Compact and lightweight
2. Smaller lenses, which influence image quality .
3. Fewer sensor options.
4. Affordability.
We've produced a guide to help people decide which thermal to buy: th-cam.com/video/cA1IbOg3FCY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=_ycSSJzpMxsAkS8Z
And this video shows you some of the Axions head-to-head with a Telos:
th-cam.com/video/v_DTaPtWor8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=mnSDowfzLWyiVElU
@@thomasjacksltd
Thanks for the reply,
So I suspect that Helion is no longer produced and sold by Pulsar?
I guess that explains why Helion products showed up when I googled, but I couldn't find any information in the Pulsar website.
By the way, your channel is extremely helpful and informative.
Especially when there's not much info out there - all the blog posts are either old or more focused on hunting.
I am trying to get myself one for nocturnal birding (and finding birds in fields in colder days as well).
I am trying to see if I should go for Telos XP50 or XG50.
As a binocular user, I know anything higher than x10 zoom will make it hard to use it in-hand, which makes XP50 more preferable to me.
Also the lower NETD of XP50 sounds like another favorable feather over XG50.
Despite losing some detection range, I'm thinking that XP50 would be a better choice.
@@birb3378 We're just setting up a TH-cam channel for those with a more bird / wildlife interest: www.youtube.com/@TJ-Focus
It's one to keep an eye on (and subscribe to) if you like what we do here.
Thanks for the feedback on the channel and either the XG or XP Telos would be ideal. I'd recommend visiting a retailer, or event where you can try / compare them for yourself.
Try the range of Pulsar thermal spotters and talk to our experts at the Global Bird Fair, in Rutland, UK (12-14th July)
globalbirdfair.org/
I’ll wait for the telos LRF xp50 pro lol
I wonder what NETD value that would have?!
Ill be waiting for the telos lrf Xl 50 pro with 25 Mk Sensor.
Or another decade for the 4k version xd
Any chance of a Telos XL50 coming in the future??
I hope so!
As one of it's selling features is being upgradable, it makes sense to offer a number of sensor options.
@@thomasjacksltdwhats the difference between a monoculare vs binocular?
It it anything performance based or is the merger xp 50 the same as the telos xp 50 , just with the difference that its for obe eye only?
Correct, in terms of thermal performance they're the same. However, seeing with both eyes is a nicer, more immersive experience. @@yaykruser
@@thomasjacksltdThanks, I think I would go for the mono then.
Since you tested the xl50 in another video, how would it compare against the telos under the same bad conditions? better or worse?
That would be an interesting test!
The Telos has larger 17µm pixels, so they individually capture more thermal information in tricky weather.
However, the Merger has more than double the number of pixels (1024x768 versus 640x480) - which means finer detail and more capability to zoom in. It would be a better all-rounder! @@yaykruser
Telos abandoned the design of a sturdy magnesium alloy shell and instead used rubber and plastic. Can this material withstand long-term use?
I certainly feels as robust as anything else from Pulsar; I've never known them to compromise on build quality. It's one of the many things that sets them apart... (and should anything go wrong don't forget there's a 3 year warranty, exceptional after sales assistance and this model is upgradable).
No!
Nit a good representation of the helion , what did you do to screw it up?
Nothing consciously. I went through all the settings on both the Helion and Telos to get the best image for the conditions.
My conclusion: The Telos had a better image in high humidity. On a different day the results might have been different because the Helion2 XP50 PRO is an incredible bit of kit.
@thomasjacksltd well you have the worst looking helion I've ever seen .
Hear the telos will be about 7k. Definitely not worth that difference in price
@@thomasjacksltd I spoke with a pulsar rep and was told around 7k but who knows for sure. I would think at 7k they may price themselves out of business for that model
@@Twinnzllc Not sure where you got your info but it's not correct and didn't come from a UK Pulsar rep. As the Telos LRF XP50 is going to be a lot more affordable than you thought, can put you in touch with a retailer for a pre-order?
Prices are now out and you'll be pleasantly surprised:
£3399.95 for the Telos XP50 LRF
£3099.95 for the Telos XP50
(Both are SRP's for the UK, correct at June 2023)
@@TwinnzllcHe probably ment the xl 50