We found a ROMAN Mosaic in the Middle of Nowhere!
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Welcome to this weeks video where we try and find a Roman Villa and Mosaic, unprotected and lost in the woods, miles from anywhere. What state is it in now and why is it not being protected?
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Noticed Rebecca's smile while Paul was telling about learning to cook ... imagine there may well be some manner of story there ... 😁 Y'all are fun and do make interesting content.
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is it really a meal based subscription service? or is it maybe a subscription based meal service? I'm a little bit foreign.
What a great vid. There is a real variation in thought. Preserving a relic in situ enhances its provenance. But relocation to a museum may well increase its long term safety. Similarly, preserving Rebecca by continuing to walk along the road may be less hazardous than diving into a hedge. Please ensure Rebecca’s long term preservation.
After all, she is a national treasure!
Great vid as always. First I knew of this hidden mosaic was in Bill Bryson's 'Notes from a small Island'. Nice to see it's still in place!
I've read the book but completely forgot that part!
His joy at finding this is wonderful. He's astonished, and a bit perterbed, that it's THERE, in the middle of a wood, just (at the time he wrote it) covered up with plastic sacks, unloved, and disregarded, as though Britain had so many ancient wonders, it was almost like:
"Oh, Roman villa. Yeah, we've got dozens of them, nobody's really interested in one deep in a damp wood."
I went there several years ago, and the same thought, ie., 'Why is nobody looking after this? It needs some love', smacked me round the head, too.
I assumed it was Bill Bryson's mosaic from Notes From a Small Island. I'm pleased to see that 25 years since I read the book my memory hasn't failed me. 😊😊😊
I also remember reading about this in Bill Bryson's book . In fact when the book first came out in 1995 my wife and I made the trek to find this mosaic it was well worth the effort .We were also lucky enough to get to the last uncovering of the Woodchester mosaic in 1973. I wonder where the replica Woodchester mosaic is now
I went to see the mosaic about 20 years ago, and it seems as though it hasn't deteriorated since then. Bryson's book left a few clues as to where it was, but was deliberately vague as well (IIRC).
I live in Woodchester, too young to remember 1973 though! The replica was on display at Prinknash abbey (I think) until maybe 15 years ago. It was then sold at auction buy the gents/or the family of the creatures for around 100/125K, there was local attempt to raise funds, but fell short and there was not plan in place where to display it. Since the auction it's been in storage overseas, I believe it might be available again for sale, there was some news recently, unsure of exact details. Got the feeling that if somewhere could be arranged to display it, between grants and well-heeled locals the purchases isn't out the question.
Thank you very much for the information I knew about Prinknash ,but not it's subsequent movements and hopes for the future@@stevey-xw4gz
Another smile brought to my face, especially with Rebecca leaping off into the bushes!
P and R - this is an amazing site but we’ve found it much easier to see the remains in winter. The vegetation is so lush in summer it tends to obscure them.
Even know it Victorian and not Roman, still a impressive mosaic, love Rebecca jumping In and out of hedges as well 😂
I live about six miles away from there and it is quite a hunt to find the mosaic but ultimately worth it.
Chedworth roman villa (NT) is well worth a visit if you're ever in the area again. They have several mosaics in excellent condition.
Watch out for the large white Roman snails too😀
It's so important to protect stuff like this. Only a mile or so from me a mosaic was found at the end of the 18th century. The discoverer did have good intentions and constructed a barn over it to protect it. Sadly after he past and the locals forgot about it, that barn was used as a cattle shed in the 19th century and eventually disappeared from the landscape. Looking back in time perhaps the well meaning amateur antiquarian would have been better to have just covered it up again as apart from a few sketches it is now gone from us.
This is a hidden gem if you can find it 😉 for the best example of a well preserved roman villa you can visit Chedworth Roman villa . As part of the National Trust
Thanks Ian. Still yet to go there!
I didn't even know the Spoonley Wood Villa existed until this video.
Great video, well worth preserving the Victorian reconstruction.
Time to dig out my copy of notes from a small island again by the looks of things in the comments.
I hope there was a note for Rebecca to come out of the bushes!!
Have a great weekend!!
I think I read it when the book came out mid 90's. So I'm also going to dig it out! Nope... not seen Rebecca since!?
Fifty years ago (already?!) I saw the Woodchester Roman Villa pavement when that was last uncovered. I also have family photos from the 1963 opening. It was so popular in 1973 the village couldn’t cope hence why it will never be uncovered again.
Around the same time is when I last visited Sudeley Castle which was then showing costumes from the BBC drama series on Henry VIII and Elizabeth R. I don’t remember anything about a Roman pavement there at that time.
Winchcombe Museum’s website says the original pavement was returned to the site and covered over. This seems plausible.
Hmmm.... odd as its a 30 x 40m villa isn't it?
I went there about 20 years ago. There was also another mosaic in a building in a field near to the road on the other side of the valley. I thought they were original mosaics of course. Great adventure going through the woods. Thanks for your efforts.😊😊😊
Thanks Paul. A site I know well and like taking friends to when we're walking in the area. Even if it is a Victorian replica people do get very excited about it when they see it for the first time. As there are no signs pointing towards it, and it's off the footpath, most people pass by without knowing it's there, which helps to protect it. Certainly it doesn't seem to have deteriorated in the last 10 years.
It's really nice isn't it. Like one of those follies that rich landowners used to like to build to recreate classical times in the 18thC. There is one near me called the Rockingham Mausoleum which is supposedly a recreation of an ancient Roman mausoleum en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rockingham_Mausoleum
Love the attention to detail of wearing same clothes for the "2 weeks later" shot 😂👏
And I particularly like the acting and editing around the sudden appearance of the huge QR code in the woods.
I used to think these two should be on the telly. But not now - they're too good.
Thank you for the video this weekend. Obviously the continuation of this search is going to happen. Good to see you both this day, and see you again next weekend. Cheers Rebecca and Paul! ❤❤😊😊
Brilliant back in the shire been there many years ago cheers for posting 👍👍👍👍
This is an excellent video. It's amazing what you can find in the undergrowth and the average person doesn't realise that something is there!. I live in Norfolk and there are so many ruined churches in the county some are just absolutely so off the beaten track and so far away from the nearest country lane but when you find them often in woods and overgrown it's so worth the effort
I reckon that a bunch of finds remain under this woodland, needs a visit from time team !
Really good video with a great twist at the end. How sad it has disappeared. Thanks as always for telling us about it.😊
The site is best visited in the winter/early spring, when the vegetation has died down and the wall lines are more visible - you can see the room layout.
Yup, I can imagine that. It wasn't easy.
I visited in Autumn. It's a fascinating walk through the grounds of Sudeley Castle.
Love the advert! Reminded me of the one in the Comedy Railway episode :)
4:14 Sounds more like the House of Commons having a picnic.
Lots of artefact also go missing from museums
Wow that mosaic was beautiful. The area you walked was lovely. Thanks for taking me along. Please take care
Thank you! You too!
Absolutely love this video very interesting history.
Thanks Leonard.
Those were loud sheep... British Forests look like a Northern Rainforest with lower trees. The Mosaic is really pretty. Not as pretty as the Nennig one, but pretty. 🤣🤣🤣
It’s an absolutely gorgeous mosaic in Sudeley House. I went to see it there ten years ago.
@pwhitewick so it was there 2 years ago - maybe a clue.
Brilliant Paul and Rebecca, keep digging, you are both amazing.
I wish that I was thirty years younger, I would love to follow your walks.
Ive walked along a path a few miles away, beautiful days walk, between 2 famous villages close by lower and upper.
😉 (keeping it cryptic)
WOW!! This will be interesting
That was exciting, with an unexpected twist at the end. Thanks.
Interesting video again Paul, and nice little cameo from Rebecca
Google maps is all over it with recommended parking, laid out walks ...etc.Really surprised me when I went looking. 55 years ago we did a school trip to Chedworth Roman villa. Subsequently its been discovered it probably isnt Roman (in terms of who built it and lived in it) but more likely some local big-wig trader who wanted to look like he was well in with the Romans and show off. I wonder if this might be a similar. The Fosse Way is not far away but not exactly close to either.
PS. The information available at Winchecomb museum's page suggests that the owner of Sudely castle had the floors lifted to preserve what was left. It seems local victorian residents had invaded the place and absconded with quite a number of bits in the course of one sunday afternoon. It may well be that the biggest piece is actually the reconstruction.
What a sad tale of neglect! Most of the Roman artefacts appear to have been deposited in Sudeley Castle, and a few at Cheltenham, Gloucester and British Museums. So, maybe the mosaic's are in one or other of the museums, if they cannot be located in Sudeley Castle. Or maybe they were buried in the grounds of Sudeley, and lie there to this day, covered-up and forgotten? Another fascinating video, which perhaps merits a follow-up?
What an incredible story. I really enjoyed this. Thank you for sharing this.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Rebecca, I love your dress in the commercial!
I got a Hello Fresh ad after the Hello Fresh ad read lol.
A very interesting saga - I come across people who would smash the site up without too many qualms esp destroying Mosiac because they are too much interested in coins and other such things when illegal metal detecting
There are people who'd smash it all up just because they could. Wish those people didn't exist, but they do.
Well done! I found two in my field today, ploughed the buggers up because they interfered with the drainage.
I mean... drainage first. Right?
@@pwhitewick "history is bnuk" quoth Henry Frod.
Typical b----y farmer.
Thanks for this
My pleasure!
What a curious ending! My appetite is whetted? Pray persevere both! 🙏👌
Mine too!
hello Paul and Rebecca, a really cool video , that Mosaic was really nice , such a shame its not being looked after, really well done and thank you both 😊😍
Very interesting. A medusa mosaic & villa were excavated in a field at my old home, the Uni prof covered it back up but my brother wanted to sell it 😥
I saw a Time Team video that said the mosaic was moved back on site from the castle.
Very interesting. I hope someone picks up on the mystery of what happened to it.
Thank you both for another really interesting explore. Amazing what you find. Well done in keeping is enthralled. Look forward to next video.
Our pleasure!
I think this was the one that we tried to find, and failed, back in 1960, as it was indicated as ROMAN VILLA (Remains of) on the OS map. That was a long time ago now (63 years!)
...and it still remains today.
TY 🙏🙏
Great stuff yet again Guys … loved it ⚔️⚔️💫💫👏👏👏🏴🇦🇺☀️
Wow, can’t believe what is out there. Hope someone knows where the original mosaics are. Great video 👍👍
Thank you
Great video. This is a sorry state of affairs, but I think the Victorians played a hand. My understanding is that the walls you can see in the old black and white pictures are all fake. They built new walls on the line of the Roman footings and a series of huts. The walls around the mosaic are remnants of a Victorian hut. To remove the mosaics for their protection and then lose them, is very of that era.
I've read about this site over the years and it was nice to see the detailed journey to it. As you say, even though this is a reconstruction, it now has historical value and should be preserved.
I almost felt bad about disclosing the location in my own video of last November (2022): th-cam.com/video/VPMqxmmEStg/w-d-xo.html But, as you say, it's a fairly well trodden path by now and the long walk sort of makes sure that its visited by the type of people who are careful enough. If you are interested, I have a high-res scan of Middleton's map of the villa, which I made from one of the rare copies of the 'Winchcombe and Sudeley Record', which I'd be happy to email you. The lost mosaic in the greenhouse was most probably not the one the replica of which is now under that little roof. A lot more work can still be done on this mystery...
thank you
Have you ever been to Fishborne to see the villa. Did it when working on YTS. Great mosaics.
Fancy making Rebecca disappear into a hedge, just because she came out of one earlier. Great vlog
Can't get the script writers these days
@ 4.15, it could have been the house of commons!
Very interesting video and it’s got me wondering whether that is the original rather than a reproduction and it’s being “hidden in plain sight”…
Also, be aware of floating QR codes whilst on a walk 😆
I've been there and took some pictures. I also did some digging about the history of the mosaic after reading about it in Bill Brysons book so I'm aware of the story👍
Very good - looks very hard to find!!! 🤔🚂🚂🚂
You left Rebecca behind you in some hedge to just until you're hello fresh order arrived at the spot along the trail. :)
Be nice to have a carpet done like that mosaic in my lounge! 🧐
Very much so
That was a cliffhanger
Me and my wife walked miles in the pouring rain to find this mosaic covered in compost bags so sad it's not being protected there is another not to far away that is inclosed in a building belonging to to local castle
So there is another??
@@pwhitewick yes it's in a small building on the sudeley Castle estate the mosaic is the only thing in there.
From what a local chap told us a lot had been robed out and been reused locally in Winchcombe and surrounding areas it can't be verified but does sound likely
The combination of enthusiasm and cluelessness pretty much sums up the Victorian era.
What a shame for the preserved (moved) bit to have gone missing...
That was rather depressing to see what happened to the villa and mosaics. Guess the place is to remote to preserve it in any appropriate manner?
Another great video Paul & Rebecca.... Why aren't historian's on this, it seems so many artifacts end up mistakenly in the wrong hands and losing them very sad ☹
I hope that Paul changed his shirt some time in those two weeks...
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Is it bad that I immediately went "oh no!" when you said antiquarians did a dig there in 1882? 🤣
Nooope!!
I swear I could hear Adrian Munsey with his sheep.
spooney wood roman villa Winchcombe
We've been using Hello Fresh for a while. It really takes the edge off of the ol' "what are we doing for dinner?" question every night.
Wouldn’t the reconstruction be made of the original Roman tiles? The bits that crumbled when removing it….
Believe it or not, this isn’t really news to me!! I’ve seen the Verulam mosaics at St Albans. This one sounds like it’s the one in Suffolk.
Sadly not. It's a hell of a walk from Suffolk. There is, or was, a nice section of Roman mosaic floor outside Ipswich Museum (which is currently closed, whilst being ruined, at great expense, for those with no interest in the past, or attention span. The two top items on the 'improvements' list, were, tellingly, a 'Coffee shop' and 'Enlarged gift shop'. I give up. I really do).
Wow!!!
Impressive isn't it.
The sheep in that field sound like our politicians in the House of Commons! 😂
I don't know what anyone else thinks, but I want that mosaic found.
Concur
I can’t believe know body knows the location
Maybe its a double bluff and that is the orignal after all ;)
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Is it possible that the so-called replica is actually the original? The current state of the "replica" suggests a lot of money was wasted for nothing.
I'd love to think it might be... honestly no clue. What's shocking is no-one seems to know the location of that original
@@pwhitewick Possibly it was returned to its original location, as it says on Winchcome Museum website, and was covered over with soil?
@jeremybuck1818 very curious. I can't see how that would help protect it long term. Its location is rather exposed to the river courses that surround it.
This blog (from 2015) seems to think the mosaic is original Roman & the one at Sudeley Castle was a replica. But cannot find anything that can give a definitive answer. the-history-girls.blogspot.com/2015/09/a-hidden-roman-villa-by-ann-turnbull.html
Very interesting video and it’s got me wondering whether that is the original rather than a reproduction and it’s being “hidden in plain sight”…
Also, be aware of floating QR codes whilst on a walk 😆
weird question, but how many times did you get stung by nettles going through all them bushes? There were quite a few from what I could see 😂
twice I think!
wow Rebecca looks lovely , great vid well done
I can't visit, where can I order a good photograph ????
Drop us an email.
Fascinating!
I enjoyed your adventure. But I have one nagging question: Is there poison Ivy in the areas you hike? Just curious.
Where's Time Team when you need them?!....
Yup!!
Did you ever go back for Mrs Whitewick, or is she still in that hedgerow??
This is Celtic, not Roman, it tells the story of the construct.
It seems as though the original mosaic has been looted from the manor house.
Imagine someone 1800 or more years in the future finding the ruins of one of today’s houses, even that of a very rich family, and there’s no sign of decent art or artisanship at all…
too true
#hellofresh
How does someone manage to lose a Roman mosaic? How very odd.
Lidar and Time Team.......Why not?
No. I have watched many of your videos.
So why haven't you complained before about us being paid to earn a living.
Had I been aware you were being paid I would certainly not have watched your videos. Naively I thought you were doing them as a service and not as a commercial enterprise. This one was the first where pushing your sponsors. @@pwhitewick
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Thank you for not revealing the location.
No worries!