GAME SINS | Everything Wrong With Call of Cthulhu
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Cult : SUMMON CTHULHU !
Player : No
Cult : :(
Lol basically
"Turns out, Cthulhu is pretty reasonable" XDXD
@@cristina92015 hahahaha
"My parents made me skip one too many vaccinations" I died after you said that
Your parents must've made you skip your vaccinations too
@@awe7266 🤣🤣🤣🤣 nice
2:02 Ah yes, Lovecraft was never as on the nose, like the inn from Innsmouth called 'Gillman', where all the inhabitents of the the town are fishpeople.
Not only that, but Lovecraft had a notorious propensity of having characters speak in grandiose sentences that often described the outer god/monster that they will later meet without having seen it once or even knowing that it exists.
Let's face it, subtlety was not the man's strong suit.
@@alexkennard2422 In a way, Lovecraft's LACK of subtlety makes some of his stories great.
Alex Kennard
in which stories does it Lc?
in CoC, they found a Cthulhu shaped idol.
no one seen Azathoth, Shub-Niggurath's form never described, before Yog-Sothoth's description there is an "imagination called upon the form of Y-S"
we don't know the form of any Old Ones and Great Old Ones:
"No man had ever seen the Old Ones. The carven idol was great Cthulhu, but none might say whether or not the others were precisely like him." - CoC
"Great Cthulhu is Their cousin, yet can he spy Them only dimly" - dunwitch horror
most of the description of alien races were in the necronomicon, and they found members of the species, like mi-go in the river, elder things in the ice, the great race was introduced by the main chararacter when he was put in into the body of one member of the great race - so the characters knew these lifeforms by reading about them and seeing them.
@@aronjanosov9046 I will concede to your points, sir. It has actually been a while since I've read anything by Lovecraft, so I'm sure I'm misremembering quite a few details.
Don't forget all the racism
The one good thing about this game, is that they somewhat kept Cthulhu the way the story portrayed him. Like in the original story, he shows up at the end for a few moments and that's it
@Shrooman Heh. Squidward.
@Shrooman Also... if I recall correctly, and I might not, he is run over by a ship in that story... and exploded. Also he was kinda in broad daylight - IF I recall correctly - for a good while, before getting ship-smashed.
@Shrooman I did not intend to suggest that this insignificant act of human's preservative nature would be of any consequence to great Cthulu. I merely wanted to mention, that Lovecraft indeed did not picture Cthulu as an ominous, very distinct shadow in deep fog or night. As such the statement of AwakenLaziness was not really correct.
Also I just noticed I "dinged" you before, instead of the OP. My bad.
@Shrooman And that you did, my good sir. I am glad that neither of us got offended in any way. Quite the beautiful thing to have a small little discussion online without any missunderstandings.
Shrooman. not true lovecraft literally describes his physical form. Octopus like head, scaley uncomprehendable alien flesh, dragon wings, bipedal human like build. As large as a mountain.
2:31 it's funny because Lovecraft didn't consider himself an american, rather a citizen of the new England, he thought that americans should have never stopped being a colony, this makes him closer to England rather than America
Yah, dude thought America should have its own aristocracy.
He’s an Anglophile, for sure. Still an American.
My biggest problem with this game is the fact that the Detective doesn't keep the weapons that prove to be effective against this stuff, like the ax he used to kill Husband of the Year.
"At least this game is mercifully short." Oof.
finished it over one sitting on Saturday... was happy it didnt drag on like Vampyr did... but there was one moment i believed the game was going to go longer, in whalers warehouse I got a medical book to increase my Medical stat but there were no further medical skill checks (facepalm)
Lovecraft games are tough to cover perfectly. Bloodborne was insanely close with the Great One concept. It did a great transition rom Beast Hunts to traversing the Nightmare to kill Great Ones. And the Old Hunters DLC does a great job with the Fishing Hamlet.
@@wwld9823 get over it.
@@wwld9823 you're the one getting offended by a simple opinion. Go home, troll.
bloodbourne was crappy version of dark souls 2/3 and barely had anything to anything with lovecraft except like 20 min part in the whole damn game lol plus ps4 sucks ass
symphonik retro I’ve found a troll in the wild, look in the mirror
@@symphonikretro116 ey lads I found a pc player with a superiority complex
I still liked playing Call of Cthulhu. Gotta say it's one of the most enjoyable games out there
rt
Ikr
I just beat it a couple days ago. I had a blast!
Then you'll probably like that other hp lovecraft game the sinking city and alan wake
Ebrahim Try to play the games Zero Escape (999, Virtue’s Last Reward & Zero Time Dilemma) you might love them. They are puzzle games with a great story to tell.
Bloodborne is actually a good lovecraft type horror game
M just finished it. Had no idea I’d have to restart from the beginning.
Because it was based on Berserk and borrowed Lovecraftian lore.
Which is why there isn't a "sins" video of it.
Indeed my good lord
True
1:10 That should be "outer god". Nyarlothotep, Azathoth, Yog-sothoth, Shub-Niggurath and their like are called "outer gods". "Elder gods" are the more human-like gods, such as Nodens.
3:42 You're not supposed to feel like a hero. You don't "win" Call of Cthulhu. This or any other game under that name if they're doing it right. You deny the dark forces that rule the universe a minor hold here and there, but their ultimate overrunning of the world is inevitable. And you sound like you know that elsewhere.
starofjustice1 also I don’t think Leviathan is any sort of actual god. At least not an existing one in the Mythos. While he is worshipped in the plot as such, he’s more of a creature that is influenced by Cthulhu and tries to sway humans toward summoning Cthulhu.
So him speaking the language of the player isn’t that strange.
@@brianburkhardt3692 He's a Star Spawn, star spawns are spawns of chtulhu that create cults to awaken him. There's literally nothing wrong in a star spawn telepatically speaking english, also, Nyarlathotep talked to Randolph Carter and he understood, it doesn't need to be english, it's only implied that the character understoood what was told.
Sin 32: I thought the officer was referring to the small crevice in the water the player has to crawl through and not the staircase. Sin 35: Pomade behaves a bit different to gel or wax. You can simply brush your hair back in place and it will look ok again, really only takes a second. (Pomade, best stuff ever invented! ;) )
"Ah Kos. Or some say Kosm.
Do you hear our prayers?
As you once did for the vacuous Rom,
Grant us eyes. Grant us eyes.
Plant eyes on our brains, to cleanse our beastly idiocy.
The grand lake of mud, hidden now from sight.
The cosmos, of course!
Let us sit about, and speak feverishly.
Chatting in the wee hours of...
New ideas, of the higher plain!"
(Howls like a wolf)
Bloodborne is better.
Way better
Yes it is way better because you don’t expect things to go Lovecraft until after it suddenly does, I mean for goodness sake the dlc for Bloodborne is just the Shadow over Innsmouth
Micolash
Oh yes! Plant eyes everywhere inside me!
*grant me eyes daddy*
15:20 The amulet only appears if you perform the counter ritual at the end, which requires high occultism.
I thought you just needed 1 dude alive, which was a choice not even made by the detective but while you were playing as another character.
For the love of God, please do Metro 2033.
PLEASEEEE
Boob rendering technology
but there wouldnt be anything to sin
@@morka8797 Artyom survives this
Primed Soon
Metro 2033. Make sure you get the Redux version.
Mr. Roboto oh no, not the redux version
the atmosphere is great in this game.
I really enjoyed this game. Extremely immersive! I thought even with the plot holes it was great
you forgot the all evil scientists are german cliche
With Irish names…
"Lovecraft was never this on the nose"
It's like you didn't read The Shadow over Innsmouth. Hell, one of the places is called Gilman House, as in fish gills...
We can all agree on Metro series, please 😂
"Lovecraft was never this onn the nose."
Remember "Gillman" hotel in the town of fish people?
In context its not that bad a chapter before that it was already clear that the town was full of fish people this is just to specify that the MC is fucked
Shadow over Innsmouth is my least fav Lovecraft story tbh
9:49 Actually those are 'visions', like the 'low SAN' options they allow Edward to know things that he shouldn't be able to otherwise.
I find it amazing that even in 2019, Cthullu: Dark Corners of The Earth is still the best Cthullu game i had the previlege to play.
I refuse to believe 2019 was 4 years ago
The game wasn't billed as an adaptation of the work itself but an adaptation of the Chaosium RPG lol.
thank you!
A star walks into a black hole but doesn't seen phased.The black hole then turns to the star and says, "I don't think you understand the gravity of this situation."
I don't know if you've noticed this, but it sometimes feels like GCN straight up rips off some of your jokes. Like, verbatim. Gonna have to double check just to make sure I'm not crazy.
Di'Rico Baker yup I noticed too
Yep i noticed that in his Mass effect Andromeda video.
They do. Here pretty soon they'll be releasing a video he did that got tons of views.
Umbra RDR2 is going to be a possible suspect, but they don’t just take Dartigans stuff. There was another person they take from...Aha! It was Dunkey! They take from Dunkey as well...
@@trishhamilton6550 Videogamedunkey?? The bastards.
Metro 2033
13:40 Well if you read the books, you would know that the elder sign protects the user against the deep ones '-'
And that they always have a limit, that's why there were so many signs carved out all over
Yep, that's exactly it. Everything I say below is for the benefit of those who haven't yet pieced it together from the stories.
The Elder Sign was made & used by the Old Ones (the alien race as depicted in the story At the Mountains of Madness), the alien race that fought & entrapped the Elder Gods long before the coming of Man on Earth. They even used it to seal the various tombs of Elder Gods remaining of Earth & to seal the dimensional portals that would allow others to come back to Earth. The Elder Sign was also mentioned (& shown) in the Necronomicon itself, as it was authored by the Mab Arab. The Arab was much closer to being a contemporary modern-day man, as compared to the Old Ones...He wrote the book because of the visions & other ancient writings that he had found; The Necronomicon is primarily a "compendium" of what he found out, not the original source material. Sure, the Elder Gods wouldn't have included anything that would prove as a defense against themselves, but they never wrote that dammed book!
But yes, the Elder Sign does have its limits. This is why human cultists can perform rituals that can override the Elder Sign's defenses. When a number of dedicated people have focused their will in the same direction, they are capable of affecting reality. The purpose of the rituals is to keep their minds in tune with each other...The best way to explain it would be through the use of Quantum Mechanics. This is what overrides the Elder Sign & also explain *why* the Elder Gods actually NEED humans to call them into returning.
Your sin was thinking that choosing the “reject the cult” ending was the good ending.
When cat jumped me, I countered her attack and punched her in the face.
Another great video as usual, Dart, but there is one incorrect sin I failed to notice during the stream. The cultist in the attic of Sarah's house wasn't there for no reason, he was there to steal one of Sarah's paintings, as seen in the cinematic with one under his arm. However, this turns into a DIFFERENT sin instead: Namely that the cult has had three months since the fire, and only NOW are pilfering the paintings they need, instead of clearing them out ASAP. And even then, the fact that they chose to do it on the same night Pierce investigates is contrived (unless you use the excuse that there's a prophecy, which I don't, because that's just lazy writing). So it's still sinful, & he still only exists there as a means to uncover the secret passage & move the plot along.
And yeah, speaking of said prophecy, you really notice how the writing gets lazy. This is the pitfall when writing psychological horror or stories revolving around madness & insanity, or even the supernatural: Just having weird sh*t happen & not explaining it beyond "WOOOOOOOO SPOOOOOOOKY INSANE STUFFFFFF," merely using it to cover plotholes or cheaply write ways out of corners. Bleh.
Vote goes to Metro 2033, because the tide seems to be going that way. =P
SlyDante after beating the game twice and watching a playthrough, I’m pretty sure the cult wants Edward to try hunting them while also getting indoctrinated. It’s a bit of a mess because Leviathan is also guiding Edward and his wants are to be free, even though he intentionally got captured and the cult doesn’t seemingly want him freed.
Either way, the reason the cultist waits until Edward sees the portrait to take it is so that Edward will be brought further into the plot.
This both ruins any illusion of choice and covers most plot holes, so maybe it’s just my head cannon.
This was in fact a point and click adventure game disguised as a fist person detective game
The ax was the Legendary McMuscles Axe. It was lost long ago and now was found in this time of most dire need.
I really had high hopes for this one
You forgot to mention another sin. The noticeable grammatical and syntax errors found in the captions of the game.
Regarding the groundskeeper (Silas Winchester) who isn't seen again, I think it's highly plausible that he was "in on it" with the cultists. Obviously he'd save her since they saw her as they oracle, and then he probably was in on it with covering up what really happened while she's actually locked up at Fuller's asylum.
O/10 not enough virulent racism. Did they even read Lovecraft?
Ease it on the memes.
Letter out of number.
@@rorystockley5969 It's not a meme, the guy was so racist that even other racists thought he was a lunatic!
@@Nyrufa I haven't read much Lovecraft but if I recall correctly Shadow Over Innsmouth is one of the classic examples... I read it the other day and, although it's mentioned *Massachusetts' people* racism towards the weird Innsmouth look, the *protagonist* never justifies *his* own horror "just because they kind of look Native American".
Any other horror writer would have also said people were racist towards disgusting fish people. If there are any instances of actual racism towards real ethnicities in his work, as was in the mind of every single white writer at the time, it certainly was toned down and far from blatant.
@@guilhermebranco8572 "the blackest of African voodoo circles" - That is an actual quote from one of his writings. As for the Shadow Over Innsmouth story, I have been told that he wrote that story as a response to finding out that he had some Welsh ancestry.
1:08
It's "Nyarlathotep" not "Nyarlothotep"
Lovecraft invented zombies with Herbert West: Re-Animator.
“Invented zombies" lmfaooo
I enjoyed this game.. short but sweet
Another sin, the symbol on the amulet isn’t even the Elder Sign. The Elder Sign is similar to a tree branch, while the star with the eye in the center is a popular misconception.
Your videos are awesome
I realy like you dartigan
You aren't always investigating at night. There's a few times you're in the Hawkins mansiom during the day doing stuff
"You could have let him get awa." Haha.
Was waiting on this
My guess for what caused Sarah to be unconscious during the fire was just that she passed out from stress and fear. That's my best explanation.
I enjoyed this game. It has a great atmosphere.
Another sin is that your character, an army veteran, can't defend himself against one bootlegger.
and a 24 year old petite woman at that
He can if u upgraded strength
3:40 I didn’t even have that scene when I played. There were so many times when things felt wonky and I wondered if I’d missed things. This confirms it.
Great video. Anyway, Metro 2033.
Honestly, give Dartigan props for knowing his Lovecraft Mythos
1:20 I feel like I'm looking at a mutant Agent 47.
Shambler used for only two scenes in game DING!
Like all uses of any of the minions of the Elder Gods, a little goes a long way...
I gave a like just for sin n°4. Totally deserved
I noticed many of these things while playing the game and somehow the one where the bookstore owner had no rounds in his revolver made me cackle the most lol
Other than that, I did really enjoy the game! Gave me some Amnesia and Outlast vibes which I've been missing in my life :3
I just checked and a bag of chips was stopping my freezer from closing all the way.
Good lookin' Dart.
Nobody gotta talk about how sick that intro is?
I loved this game
How a person who never really read HPL's works would make an HPL game.
I agree with half your statement there are plot holes but the other half is Babel that can be explained.
Ive waited for more bb dartie
this is....special and clearly made hastily
When I played Bf V campaign I already imagined @Dartigan doing video of it
You missed one. You can access your journal before you even pick up your journal. You also get drunk vision before the alcohol hits your lips
Please do Metro and it’s sequel.
after the cave in the entrance is actually blocked when you go back to the office to check
Dr. Fuller, needing to maintain face in his field and the practice that he uses to research the 'secrets of life', heals both officer Bradley and the protagonist from being crushed to death/a hole through the chest. If the cultists and Charlie weren't crushed then Bradley wouldn't have been either.
Protags mistake was running.
Just after protag wakes up, he begins screaming about the cult. Giving the doctor a reason to lock him up in the psych ward. You find that the doctor is actually attempting to create new life in his basement.
The weird part is that officer Bradley doesn't remember anything.
Bradley didn't think protagonist was a psycho, and his girlfriend said mean things about Dr. Fuller. Inspiring Brad to go back to save him.
This is not an adaption of shadow over insmouth, in the shadow over insmouth, the MC is visiting a town that worships Dagon for fun, Finding that the town has been shelled and screwed into fishdom, escaping, then learning he's actually a fishboy on his moms side and going back.
2005 CoC IS an adaption of shadow over innsmouth.
This adaptation does make a pretty big deal about the key people being involved getting visions and hearing things, leading to kahtoolou being set free.
The real sin is that the protagonist had to get called in by the lady's father.
Leviathan is the big bad of the game, being a set piece to tie the rest of the Lovecraft references together, could be forgiven for speaking english.
The real sin is how they just shoved random Lovecraft words into the game like it was a new toy from build-a-oldone.
BIG SIN: drake leaves clues for people because if you can solve a puzzle then you should have the most dangerous book on earth.
The book was handled poorly. People with 0 occult knowledge or much regular knowledge shouldn't get much out of it.
r'yleh is the prison of cthulu in all canons, built by "the greatest race"? I think...
The key should be limited to those who are sane.
The amulet SHOULD be on Sarah but the guy uses it as a talisman to seal the shambler, then she gets corrupted immediately after while the amulet is off. Then is used by the guy during the counter-spell ending.
Cthulu didn't have a plan-A, leviathan did, thankfully booze and lying to yourself exists, which saves you enough sanity to still be able to choose not to bring back the big squid. Not a great cop out but still.
There is literally no better use for teleportation than to be a dick.
Prove me wrong.
Pro-tip: you can't.
Ur mom green.
Seagreen maybe.
3:24 I know I wasn’t the only one with headphones that jumped
Wow my game was alot brighter than in your video, and my first visit to the House was daytime. Strange
It's based on choices you made in town
Actually, what it billed itself as is an adaptation of the call of cthulhu tabletop RPG, which is loosely based on the works of Lovecraft, Dunsany, Robert Chambers and so many other writers. Though it can be easy to make that mistake you did when the names are so similar. I am also unsure as to how sin 2 is a sin. Is it a sin because they dared to make a game that wasn't the exact same as their other games? Or why? For sin nr. 4, you seem to fail to realize that Leviathan, is not in fact an Elder God, that much should be clear since you are making this video.
Why are all games trying to be like movies by being based on books if they don’t follow the source material right?
Ty_ teynium they’re not trying to copy the story, it’s called being based off a book or taking inspiration from a book
@@winkletinkle8007 Yes that is what I said.
it was based on the CoC game which was based on the CoC book
Ty_ teynium my bad it sounds like you’re asking for a perfect replication of the story, but they did use the story as an inspiration, so i’m not sure what you’re asking for?
this games actually not that bad imo
Agreed it had potential but very unrefined
completed a couple of days ago, surely the best investigation horror I have ever played
Leviathan isn’t a God. That’s why it speaks directly to the player/island inhabitants. Also Charles is the one who’s watching the police car arrive at the mansion, not Silas.
Also also the cultists were drawing Edward in the whole time, so that’s why they wait to draw him into the cave.
Edit: thinking it over it might be the cultist watching and not Charles, who’s probably already in the caves.
Also the third: Bradley gets killed in the caves and brought back by the Serum fuller uses.
And Algernon uses the amulet/key during that section, but it honestly doesn’t make sense anyway.
The visions you didn’t understand are there to break down Edwards will.
Am I the only one that enjoyed this game?
OH NO - HERE COME MORE DEEP ONES! They have 15 HP and 2 points of armor; time to break out the shotguns.
I was so disappointed they didn't even try to add gameplay. No, I don't consider walking around and looking at puzzles gameplay. The first one may have been jank but it had character and you remembered it. This game? Naw... forgotten as fast as it showed up.
10:56 Hugo Strange,what are you doing here?
Hugo strange is based off over Lovecraft an doctors, so is Arkham asylum and many other Batman motifs
game based on multiplayer tabletop game is singleplayer
Michael Hanratty many games based off tabletop games are single player. and the tabletop game wasn’t exclusively multiplayer, and was still enjoyable playing solo
2:06 .... Ahem, GILL MAN hotel in Shadow over Innsmouth
In my play through I found a collision-less wall.
Dart vids always make my day. Good to see the next one is about this game
What Sanders means with his vague hints, is that like Medusa in Greek mythology you do not want to look at Cthulhu in person doing so you're not going to be yourself mentally it's that terrifying.
has anyone brought up how barely a scene goes by without some sort of typo or mismatch in the subtitles? I found that extremely distracting
Your voice is so calming...
Damn! The gas!
Oh where do we start with these sins? Hell let’s get squid face himself in on this.
On point, I finished it, this is helping wash off some of the sour taste left in my mouth.
Wait until December to do Bf5 cuz all the campaigns haven’t even been released yet:)
You should try playing "The Sinking City." It's another Lovecraft inspired game that also has elements of "The Shadow Over Innsmouth" in its story. I wonder why entertainment companies keep going back to that particular story myself. Fishmen aren't scary anymore, especially for fantasy game players.
It's because its the one story that based in reality more then any other.
A couple of them lead to another ending like the one with the amulet, that is part of one of the endings
It's such a shame that they made a shitty video game based on a legendary story written by a legendary writer...
Khan Kavkaz legendarily racist writer, but I do agree. Maybe someday, an awesome game will be made based on Lovecraft’s work. Bloodborne is close, I guess.
If you want to see someone cover Lovecraft work and know what they’re talking about, might I recommend Deusdaecon? He covers movies and such that are based on or inspired by Lovecraft. Brilliant guy, deserves more attention.
Because he was a good writer does not excuse the fact that he was a racist bigot.
Shrooman wait... are you saying I can’t complain about anything if I’m not an expert in it or I am able to make a better version?
Well, you cannot critique my opinions if you do not have a bachelors degree in production design and technical theater studies, have Irish danced for 12 years, and you must know how to weld in four different ways and be certified in all of them. I doubt you have done any of that, so you can’t complain about my complaint!
koolmann2002 I agree. Love his work, but I’d punch Lovecraft in the dick if I ever had the chance.
@Shrooman No, I don't think so. See, you said "Feel free to make us a better game instead of complaining about the work of others when you haven't even bothered to try making one yourself." Nowhere does it say anything about needing to explain your critique.
Plus, I think your first comment was meant for the person I was responding to, who called it a shitty game to begin with, so I have no idea why you responded to me with your bitching and moaning, and not them.
See, I understood what you said because I explained why it's shitty!
"May the rats eat your eyes."
This game reminds me i should be playing Eternal Darkness instead of this.
I just noticed that in Dartigan's videos, the earlier the video was made, the higher and less monotone his voice gets. It's like Game Sins is sucking the life out of him.
I think the biggest sin is how Lovecraft intended it all to be incomprehensible science rather than magic, but the devs made the game more magic based (Like the painting and the dagger).
The whole "Magic sigils" thing messed up the true horror of it, aswell as the linear story. Since this is based off the ttrpg (Which I am a long fan of/DMer for) I believe the linear path the game took killed it. Especially with the flexibility with their rpg skill mechanics and that one combat scene, it makes the whole thing feel like it doesn't know what it wants to be, like a confused junior on career day.
It should've been more sandbox, like sinking city but good and fleshed out. Honestly, I'm gonna develop a game now, just to flex. Actually decent sanity mechanic, good combat, stealth, useful skills, etc.
Ok Buddy I agree save for the combat. Thought the ending gun shooting was pretty lame and basic.
@@CybermanKing exactly. Have actions either be cut scenes with quicktimes, or more resources into it. Although, it shouldn't be common anyways. Have a chase instead, stick to the RPG they're basing it off
The vaccination pun made me chuckle.
finaly it's out
Also it's pretty good board game adaptation. Which means Werewolf The Apocalypse from same creators can be good.