The one good thing about this game, is that they somewhat kept Cthulhu the way the story portrayed him. Like in the original story, he shows up at the end for a few moments and that's it
@Shrooman Also... if I recall correctly, and I might not, he is run over by a ship in that story... and exploded. Also he was kinda in broad daylight - IF I recall correctly - for a good while, before getting ship-smashed.
@Shrooman I did not intend to suggest that this insignificant act of human's preservative nature would be of any consequence to great Cthulu. I merely wanted to mention, that Lovecraft indeed did not picture Cthulu as an ominous, very distinct shadow in deep fog or night. As such the statement of AwakenLaziness was not really correct. Also I just noticed I "dinged" you before, instead of the OP. My bad.
@Shrooman And that you did, my good sir. I am glad that neither of us got offended in any way. Quite the beautiful thing to have a small little discussion online without any missunderstandings.
Shrooman. not true lovecraft literally describes his physical form. Octopus like head, scaley uncomprehendable alien flesh, dragon wings, bipedal human like build. As large as a mountain.
2:02 Ah yes, Lovecraft was never as on the nose, like the inn from Innsmouth called 'Gillman', where all the inhabitents of the the town are fishpeople.
Not only that, but Lovecraft had a notorious propensity of having characters speak in grandiose sentences that often described the outer god/monster that they will later meet without having seen it once or even knowing that it exists. Let's face it, subtlety was not the man's strong suit.
Alex Kennard in which stories does it Lc? in CoC, they found a Cthulhu shaped idol. no one seen Azathoth, Shub-Niggurath's form never described, before Yog-Sothoth's description there is an "imagination called upon the form of Y-S" we don't know the form of any Old Ones and Great Old Ones: "No man had ever seen the Old Ones. The carven idol was great Cthulhu, but none might say whether or not the others were precisely like him." - CoC "Great Cthulhu is Their cousin, yet can he spy Them only dimly" - dunwitch horror most of the description of alien races were in the necronomicon, and they found members of the species, like mi-go in the river, elder things in the ice, the great race was introduced by the main chararacter when he was put in into the body of one member of the great race - so the characters knew these lifeforms by reading about them and seeing them.
@@aronjanosov9046 I will concede to your points, sir. It has actually been a while since I've read anything by Lovecraft, so I'm sure I'm misremembering quite a few details.
2:31 it's funny because Lovecraft didn't consider himself an american, rather a citizen of the new England, he thought that americans should have never stopped being a colony, this makes him closer to England rather than America
My biggest problem with this game is the fact that the Detective doesn't keep the weapons that prove to be effective against this stuff, like the ax he used to kill Husband of the Year.
Lovecraft games are tough to cover perfectly. Bloodborne was insanely close with the Great One concept. It did a great transition rom Beast Hunts to traversing the Nightmare to kill Great Ones. And the Old Hunters DLC does a great job with the Fishing Hamlet.
bloodbourne was crappy version of dark souls 2/3 and barely had anything to anything with lovecraft except like 20 min part in the whole damn game lol plus ps4 sucks ass
Ebrahim Try to play the games Zero Escape (999, Virtue’s Last Reward & Zero Time Dilemma) you might love them. They are puzzle games with a great story to tell.
finished it over one sitting on Saturday... was happy it didnt drag on like Vampyr did... but there was one moment i believed the game was going to go longer, in whalers warehouse I got a medical book to increase my Medical stat but there were no further medical skill checks (facepalm)
"Ah Kos. Or some say Kosm. Do you hear our prayers? As you once did for the vacuous Rom, Grant us eyes. Grant us eyes. Plant eyes on our brains, to cleanse our beastly idiocy. The grand lake of mud, hidden now from sight. The cosmos, of course! Let us sit about, and speak feverishly. Chatting in the wee hours of... New ideas, of the higher plain!" (Howls like a wolf) Bloodborne is better.
Yes it is way better because you don’t expect things to go Lovecraft until after it suddenly does, I mean for goodness sake the dlc for Bloodborne is just the Shadow over Innsmouth
Sin 32: I thought the officer was referring to the small crevice in the water the player has to crawl through and not the staircase. Sin 35: Pomade behaves a bit different to gel or wax. You can simply brush your hair back in place and it will look ok again, really only takes a second. (Pomade, best stuff ever invented! ;) )
1:10 That should be "outer god". Nyarlothotep, Azathoth, Yog-sothoth, Shub-Niggurath and their like are called "outer gods". "Elder gods" are the more human-like gods, such as Nodens. 3:42 You're not supposed to feel like a hero. You don't "win" Call of Cthulhu. This or any other game under that name if they're doing it right. You deny the dark forces that rule the universe a minor hold here and there, but their ultimate overrunning of the world is inevitable. And you sound like you know that elsewhere.
starofjustice1 also I don’t think Leviathan is any sort of actual god. At least not an existing one in the Mythos. While he is worshipped in the plot as such, he’s more of a creature that is influenced by Cthulhu and tries to sway humans toward summoning Cthulhu. So him speaking the language of the player isn’t that strange.
@@brianburkhardt3692 He's a Star Spawn, star spawns are spawns of chtulhu that create cults to awaken him. There's literally nothing wrong in a star spawn telepatically speaking english, also, Nyarlathotep talked to Randolph Carter and he understood, it doesn't need to be english, it's only implied that the character understoood what was told.
"Lovecraft was never this on the nose" It's like you didn't read The Shadow over Innsmouth. Hell, one of the places is called Gilman House, as in fish gills...
Another great video as usual, Dart, but there is one incorrect sin I failed to notice during the stream. The cultist in the attic of Sarah's house wasn't there for no reason, he was there to steal one of Sarah's paintings, as seen in the cinematic with one under his arm. However, this turns into a DIFFERENT sin instead: Namely that the cult has had three months since the fire, and only NOW are pilfering the paintings they need, instead of clearing them out ASAP. And even then, the fact that they chose to do it on the same night Pierce investigates is contrived (unless you use the excuse that there's a prophecy, which I don't, because that's just lazy writing). So it's still sinful, & he still only exists there as a means to uncover the secret passage & move the plot along. And yeah, speaking of said prophecy, you really notice how the writing gets lazy. This is the pitfall when writing psychological horror or stories revolving around madness & insanity, or even the supernatural: Just having weird sh*t happen & not explaining it beyond "WOOOOOOOO SPOOOOOOOKY INSANE STUFFFFFF," merely using it to cover plotholes or cheaply write ways out of corners. Bleh. Vote goes to Metro 2033, because the tide seems to be going that way. =P
SlyDante after beating the game twice and watching a playthrough, I’m pretty sure the cult wants Edward to try hunting them while also getting indoctrinated. It’s a bit of a mess because Leviathan is also guiding Edward and his wants are to be free, even though he intentionally got captured and the cult doesn’t seemingly want him freed. Either way, the reason the cultist waits until Edward sees the portrait to take it is so that Edward will be brought further into the plot. This both ruins any illusion of choice and covers most plot holes, so maybe it’s just my head cannon.
I don't know if you've noticed this, but it sometimes feels like GCN straight up rips off some of your jokes. Like, verbatim. Gonna have to double check just to make sure I'm not crazy.
Umbra RDR2 is going to be a possible suspect, but they don’t just take Dartigans stuff. There was another person they take from...Aha! It was Dunkey! They take from Dunkey as well...
A star walks into a black hole but doesn't seen phased.The black hole then turns to the star and says, "I don't think you understand the gravity of this situation."
Regarding the groundskeeper (Silas Winchester) who isn't seen again, I think it's highly plausible that he was "in on it" with the cultists. Obviously he'd save her since they saw her as they oracle, and then he probably was in on it with covering up what really happened while she's actually locked up at Fuller's asylum.
Yep, that's exactly it. Everything I say below is for the benefit of those who haven't yet pieced it together from the stories. The Elder Sign was made & used by the Old Ones (the alien race as depicted in the story At the Mountains of Madness), the alien race that fought & entrapped the Elder Gods long before the coming of Man on Earth. They even used it to seal the various tombs of Elder Gods remaining of Earth & to seal the dimensional portals that would allow others to come back to Earth. The Elder Sign was also mentioned (& shown) in the Necronomicon itself, as it was authored by the Mab Arab. The Arab was much closer to being a contemporary modern-day man, as compared to the Old Ones...He wrote the book because of the visions & other ancient writings that he had found; The Necronomicon is primarily a "compendium" of what he found out, not the original source material. Sure, the Elder Gods wouldn't have included anything that would prove as a defense against themselves, but they never wrote that dammed book! But yes, the Elder Sign does have its limits. This is why human cultists can perform rituals that can override the Elder Sign's defenses. When a number of dedicated people have focused their will in the same direction, they are capable of affecting reality. The purpose of the rituals is to keep their minds in tune with each other...The best way to explain it would be through the use of Quantum Mechanics. This is what overrides the Elder Sign & also explain *why* the Elder Gods actually NEED humans to call them into returning.
In context its not that bad a chapter before that it was already clear that the town was full of fish people this is just to specify that the MC is fucked
Another sin, the symbol on the amulet isn’t even the Elder Sign. The Elder Sign is similar to a tree branch, while the star with the eye in the center is a popular misconception.
3:40 I didn’t even have that scene when I played. There were so many times when things felt wonky and I wondered if I’d missed things. This confirms it.
Nyarlethotep didn't speak English specifically. Nyarlethotep will speak and the humans it will speak to will understand no matter what actual language it is using. Nyarlethotep and all the other Outer Gods can simply will things to be as they want, they don't play by our rules, ever. Additionally, Nyarlethotep is an Outer God, not an Elder God. It's Azathoth's own "child" in fact.
Leviathan isn’t a God. That’s why it speaks directly to the player/island inhabitants. Also Charles is the one who’s watching the police car arrive at the mansion, not Silas. Also also the cultists were drawing Edward in the whole time, so that’s why they wait to draw him into the cave. Edit: thinking it over it might be the cultist watching and not Charles, who’s probably already in the caves.
Michael Hanratty many games based off tabletop games are single player. and the tabletop game wasn’t exclusively multiplayer, and was still enjoyable playing solo
@@Nyrufa I haven't read much Lovecraft but if I recall correctly Shadow Over Innsmouth is one of the classic examples... I read it the other day and, although it's mentioned *Massachusetts' people* racism towards the weird Innsmouth look, the *protagonist* never justifies *his* own horror "just because they kind of look Native American". Any other horror writer would have also said people were racist towards disgusting fish people. If there are any instances of actual racism towards real ethnicities in his work, as was in the mind of every single white writer at the time, it certainly was toned down and far from blatant.
@@guilhermebranco8572 "the blackest of African voodoo circles" - That is an actual quote from one of his writings. As for the Shadow Over Innsmouth story, I have been told that he wrote that story as a response to finding out that he had some Welsh ancestry.
I noticed many of these things while playing the game and somehow the one where the bookstore owner had no rounds in his revolver made me cackle the most lol Other than that, I did really enjoy the game! Gave me some Amnesia and Outlast vibes which I've been missing in my life :3
Dr. Fuller, needing to maintain face in his field and the practice that he uses to research the 'secrets of life', heals both officer Bradley and the protagonist from being crushed to death/a hole through the chest. If the cultists and Charlie weren't crushed then Bradley wouldn't have been either. Protags mistake was running. Just after protag wakes up, he begins screaming about the cult. Giving the doctor a reason to lock him up in the psych ward. You find that the doctor is actually attempting to create new life in his basement. The weird part is that officer Bradley doesn't remember anything. Bradley didn't think protagonist was a psycho, and his girlfriend said mean things about Dr. Fuller. Inspiring Brad to go back to save him. This is not an adaption of shadow over insmouth, in the shadow over insmouth, the MC is visiting a town that worships Dagon for fun, Finding that the town has been shelled and screwed into fishdom, escaping, then learning he's actually a fishboy on his moms side and going back. 2005 CoC IS an adaption of shadow over innsmouth. This adaptation does make a pretty big deal about the key people being involved getting visions and hearing things, leading to kahtoolou being set free. The real sin is that the protagonist had to get called in by the lady's father. Leviathan is the big bad of the game, being a set piece to tie the rest of the Lovecraft references together, could be forgiven for speaking english. The real sin is how they just shoved random Lovecraft words into the game like it was a new toy from build-a-oldone. BIG SIN: drake leaves clues for people because if you can solve a puzzle then you should have the most dangerous book on earth. The book was handled poorly. People with 0 occult knowledge or much regular knowledge shouldn't get much out of it. r'yleh is the prison of cthulu in all canons, built by "the greatest race"? I think... The key should be limited to those who are sane. The amulet SHOULD be on Sarah but the guy uses it as a talisman to seal the shambler, then she gets corrupted immediately after while the amulet is off. Then is used by the guy during the counter-spell ending. Cthulu didn't have a plan-A, leviathan did, thankfully booze and lying to yourself exists, which saves you enough sanity to still be able to choose not to bring back the big squid. Not a great cop out but still. There is literally no better use for teleportation than to be a dick. Prove me wrong. Pro-tip: you can't. Ur mom green. Seagreen maybe.
What Sanders means with his vague hints, is that like Medusa in Greek mythology you do not want to look at Cthulhu in person doing so you're not going to be yourself mentally it's that terrifying.
1. While inspired by and drawing from various Lovecraftian works, this game was based on the roleplaying game, not the story. This game doesn't really have anything to do with Shadow over Innsmouth either, doesn't even share many similarities. 2. The Leviathan is a starspawn, not an Elder God. 3. Lovecraft often was that on the nose actually. 4. That people are still on the island after the whaling industry failed is explained over the course of the game, completely within the consistent lore of the game. It was at this point I stopped watching because I realized it was just going to be more of the same.
Despite everything, I was still enjoying the game, until I got to the end of the game, only for every ending to be incomplete nonsense that just cuts out without making much sense. The post credit scenes don't help. Hadn't been this upset over a bad game ending since Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requem showed me one third of a cutscene.
I'd like to point out that they got the shambler wrong. "When they have chosen a victim they will attempt to suck them into their own dimension calling as many of their cohorts as needed. While they do seem to grab at the victim they actually use a form of hypnosis that can be broken by a strong willed person. [...] When they try to suck a victim in it will seem as if the place around the Shambler disappears behind it and their own dimension will become visible." They are NOT random spoopy slasher villains.
I think the biggest sin is how Lovecraft intended it all to be incomprehensible science rather than magic, but the devs made the game more magic based (Like the painting and the dagger). The whole "Magic sigils" thing messed up the true horror of it, aswell as the linear story. Since this is based off the ttrpg (Which I am a long fan of/DMer for) I believe the linear path the game took killed it. Especially with the flexibility with their rpg skill mechanics and that one combat scene, it makes the whole thing feel like it doesn't know what it wants to be, like a confused junior on career day. It should've been more sandbox, like sinking city but good and fleshed out. Honestly, I'm gonna develop a game now, just to flex. Actually decent sanity mechanic, good combat, stealth, useful skills, etc.
@@CybermanKing exactly. Have actions either be cut scenes with quicktimes, or more resources into it. Although, it shouldn't be common anyways. Have a chase instead, stick to the RPG they're basing it off
dark corners of the earth seems to be the only modern lovecraft fps that even gave a shit about the mythos, the 2018 version and the sinking city barely touch the source material
Ty_ teynium my bad it sounds like you’re asking for a perfect replication of the story, but they did use the story as an inspiration, so i’m not sure what you’re asking for?
I was so disappointed they didn't even try to add gameplay. No, I don't consider walking around and looking at puzzles gameplay. The first one may have been jank but it had character and you remembered it. This game? Naw... forgotten as fast as it showed up.
Sin 3. - its not an elder one nor outer god speaking - its a Leviathan whose connection to Cthulhu is not revealed but it seems that it serves a role of mediator between Cthulhu and people by letting itself get captured, it's meat eaten and then speaking to people, turning them mad enough to summon Cthulhu. Sin 9 - you are taking it out of context. Mental issues meaning such that would lead to her burning her entire family alive... Sin 13 - Affluent rich? I guess you did not play the game thoroughly otherwise you would have known that even Hawkins family was pretty much broke, unable to repair their own house. The only one somehow rich is the Cat smuggling alcohol from the mainland. Sin 27. Sarah's father was not allowed to the crime scene so he could not have known about those circumstances. Why the police came to such an absurd conclusion? Good question Sin 30. I thought the lonely cultist was Charles Hawkins behind a mask - at the time I thought he was obsessed with his dead wife but her not being dead and him knowing about it, it doesn't make any sense, nor does the warehouse part... Sin 38. As Fuller is a senior cultist who pledged himself to the Leviathan in exchange for it's blood that has miraculous regenerative properties it makes perfect sense - he cured both and erased Bradley's memory by drugging him. Sin 45 - no, its not - try to go there - its caved in and your character tells you that it wasn't a dream after all. Sin 75. - actually it's not the same soldier - it's the one you picked from his playroom if I remember correctly But yes, the rest is pretty spot on! Thank you for pointing out plot-holes I did not notice during the gameplay.
Vote: Battlefield V, due to all the drama. Comment: This did indeed give off Vampyr vibes... and left me almost as confused... i won't blame Dartigan, i'll just blame the game...
Sin #88 - To be fair you do see the amulet again if Drake is kept alive and you perform the counter-ritual at the end of the game. The real sin here is that in this scene Drake wears the amulet, not Sarah. If Drake had just put the amulet on Sarah when she begins to go mad then the final events of this game would have never happened...
You should try playing "The Sinking City." It's another Lovecraft inspired game that also has elements of "The Shadow Over Innsmouth" in its story. I wonder why entertainment companies keep going back to that particular story myself. Fishmen aren't scary anymore, especially for fantasy game players.
I can explain that Sin #8 is actually realistic. Some people have trouble looking people dead in the eye, as doing so can hurt. It's an autism spectrum thing.
I'm not on the spectrum, but I am struggling with what appears to be social anxiety disorder and it happens to me all the time. It's irrational and you know it, but you just can't look into other people's eyes or even at their faces, you'll always focus your sight somewhere down or to the side. If you do manage to force yourself to look at someone, it's very unpleasant and stressful, and you'll turn your head almost immediately. The only person I can easily maintain eye contact with is my boyfriend - and even that took some time. I wouldn't be surprised if it affected people with PTSD or other disorders as well.
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Cult : SUMMON CTHULHU !
Player : No
Cult : :(
Lol basically
"Turns out, Cthulhu is pretty reasonable" XDXD
@@cristina92015 hahahaha
The one good thing about this game, is that they somewhat kept Cthulhu the way the story portrayed him. Like in the original story, he shows up at the end for a few moments and that's it
@Shrooman Heh. Squidward.
@Shrooman Also... if I recall correctly, and I might not, he is run over by a ship in that story... and exploded. Also he was kinda in broad daylight - IF I recall correctly - for a good while, before getting ship-smashed.
@Shrooman I did not intend to suggest that this insignificant act of human's preservative nature would be of any consequence to great Cthulu. I merely wanted to mention, that Lovecraft indeed did not picture Cthulu as an ominous, very distinct shadow in deep fog or night. As such the statement of AwakenLaziness was not really correct.
Also I just noticed I "dinged" you before, instead of the OP. My bad.
@Shrooman And that you did, my good sir. I am glad that neither of us got offended in any way. Quite the beautiful thing to have a small little discussion online without any missunderstandings.
Shrooman. not true lovecraft literally describes his physical form. Octopus like head, scaley uncomprehendable alien flesh, dragon wings, bipedal human like build. As large as a mountain.
"My parents made me skip one too many vaccinations" I died after you said that
Your parents must've made you skip your vaccinations too
@@awe7266 🤣🤣🤣🤣 nice
2:02 Ah yes, Lovecraft was never as on the nose, like the inn from Innsmouth called 'Gillman', where all the inhabitents of the the town are fishpeople.
Not only that, but Lovecraft had a notorious propensity of having characters speak in grandiose sentences that often described the outer god/monster that they will later meet without having seen it once or even knowing that it exists.
Let's face it, subtlety was not the man's strong suit.
@@alexkennard2422 In a way, Lovecraft's LACK of subtlety makes some of his stories great.
Alex Kennard
in which stories does it Lc?
in CoC, they found a Cthulhu shaped idol.
no one seen Azathoth, Shub-Niggurath's form never described, before Yog-Sothoth's description there is an "imagination called upon the form of Y-S"
we don't know the form of any Old Ones and Great Old Ones:
"No man had ever seen the Old Ones. The carven idol was great Cthulhu, but none might say whether or not the others were precisely like him." - CoC
"Great Cthulhu is Their cousin, yet can he spy Them only dimly" - dunwitch horror
most of the description of alien races were in the necronomicon, and they found members of the species, like mi-go in the river, elder things in the ice, the great race was introduced by the main chararacter when he was put in into the body of one member of the great race - so the characters knew these lifeforms by reading about them and seeing them.
@@aronjanosov9046 I will concede to your points, sir. It has actually been a while since I've read anything by Lovecraft, so I'm sure I'm misremembering quite a few details.
Don't forget all the racism
2:31 it's funny because Lovecraft didn't consider himself an american, rather a citizen of the new England, he thought that americans should have never stopped being a colony, this makes him closer to England rather than America
Yah, dude thought America should have its own aristocracy.
He’s an Anglophile, for sure. Still an American.
My biggest problem with this game is the fact that the Detective doesn't keep the weapons that prove to be effective against this stuff, like the ax he used to kill Husband of the Year.
Lovecraft games are tough to cover perfectly. Bloodborne was insanely close with the Great One concept. It did a great transition rom Beast Hunts to traversing the Nightmare to kill Great Ones. And the Old Hunters DLC does a great job with the Fishing Hamlet.
@@wwld9823 get over it.
@@wwld9823 you're the one getting offended by a simple opinion. Go home, troll.
bloodbourne was crappy version of dark souls 2/3 and barely had anything to anything with lovecraft except like 20 min part in the whole damn game lol plus ps4 sucks ass
symphonik retro I’ve found a troll in the wild, look in the mirror
@@symphonikretro116 ey lads I found a pc player with a superiority complex
I still liked playing Call of Cthulhu. Gotta say it's one of the most enjoyable games out there
rt
Ikr
I just beat it a couple days ago. I had a blast!
Then you'll probably like that other hp lovecraft game the sinking city and alan wake
Ebrahim Try to play the games Zero Escape (999, Virtue’s Last Reward & Zero Time Dilemma) you might love them. They are puzzle games with a great story to tell.
"At least this game is mercifully short." Oof.
finished it over one sitting on Saturday... was happy it didnt drag on like Vampyr did... but there was one moment i believed the game was going to go longer, in whalers warehouse I got a medical book to increase my Medical stat but there were no further medical skill checks (facepalm)
Bloodborne is actually a good lovecraft type horror game
M just finished it. Had no idea I’d have to restart from the beginning.
Because it was based on Berserk and borrowed Lovecraftian lore.
Which is why there isn't a "sins" video of it.
Indeed my good lord
True
For the love of God, please do Metro 2033.
PLEASEEEE
Boob rendering technology
but there wouldnt be anything to sin
@@morka8797 Artyom survives this
Primed Soon
15:20 The amulet only appears if you perform the counter ritual at the end, which requires high occultism.
I thought you just needed 1 dude alive, which was a choice not even made by the detective but while you were playing as another character.
"Ah Kos. Or some say Kosm.
Do you hear our prayers?
As you once did for the vacuous Rom,
Grant us eyes. Grant us eyes.
Plant eyes on our brains, to cleanse our beastly idiocy.
The grand lake of mud, hidden now from sight.
The cosmos, of course!
Let us sit about, and speak feverishly.
Chatting in the wee hours of...
New ideas, of the higher plain!"
(Howls like a wolf)
Bloodborne is better.
Way better
Yes it is way better because you don’t expect things to go Lovecraft until after it suddenly does, I mean for goodness sake the dlc for Bloodborne is just the Shadow over Innsmouth
Micolash
Oh yes! Plant eyes everywhere inside me!
*grant me eyes daddy*
Sin 32: I thought the officer was referring to the small crevice in the water the player has to crawl through and not the staircase. Sin 35: Pomade behaves a bit different to gel or wax. You can simply brush your hair back in place and it will look ok again, really only takes a second. (Pomade, best stuff ever invented! ;) )
I really enjoyed this game. Extremely immersive! I thought even with the plot holes it was great
1:10 That should be "outer god". Nyarlothotep, Azathoth, Yog-sothoth, Shub-Niggurath and their like are called "outer gods". "Elder gods" are the more human-like gods, such as Nodens.
3:42 You're not supposed to feel like a hero. You don't "win" Call of Cthulhu. This or any other game under that name if they're doing it right. You deny the dark forces that rule the universe a minor hold here and there, but their ultimate overrunning of the world is inevitable. And you sound like you know that elsewhere.
starofjustice1 also I don’t think Leviathan is any sort of actual god. At least not an existing one in the Mythos. While he is worshipped in the plot as such, he’s more of a creature that is influenced by Cthulhu and tries to sway humans toward summoning Cthulhu.
So him speaking the language of the player isn’t that strange.
@@brianburkhardt3692 He's a Star Spawn, star spawns are spawns of chtulhu that create cults to awaken him. There's literally nothing wrong in a star spawn telepatically speaking english, also, Nyarlathotep talked to Randolph Carter and he understood, it doesn't need to be english, it's only implied that the character understoood what was told.
Metro 2033. Make sure you get the Redux version.
Mr. Roboto oh no, not the redux version
the atmosphere is great in this game.
"Lovecraft was never this on the nose"
It's like you didn't read The Shadow over Innsmouth. Hell, one of the places is called Gilman House, as in fish gills...
I find it amazing that even in 2019, Cthullu: Dark Corners of The Earth is still the best Cthullu game i had the previlege to play.
I refuse to believe 2019 was 4 years ago
9:49 Actually those are 'visions', like the 'low SAN' options they allow Edward to know things that he shouldn't be able to otherwise.
you forgot the all evil scientists are german cliche
With Irish names…
Another great video as usual, Dart, but there is one incorrect sin I failed to notice during the stream. The cultist in the attic of Sarah's house wasn't there for no reason, he was there to steal one of Sarah's paintings, as seen in the cinematic with one under his arm. However, this turns into a DIFFERENT sin instead: Namely that the cult has had three months since the fire, and only NOW are pilfering the paintings they need, instead of clearing them out ASAP. And even then, the fact that they chose to do it on the same night Pierce investigates is contrived (unless you use the excuse that there's a prophecy, which I don't, because that's just lazy writing). So it's still sinful, & he still only exists there as a means to uncover the secret passage & move the plot along.
And yeah, speaking of said prophecy, you really notice how the writing gets lazy. This is the pitfall when writing psychological horror or stories revolving around madness & insanity, or even the supernatural: Just having weird sh*t happen & not explaining it beyond "WOOOOOOOO SPOOOOOOOKY INSANE STUFFFFFF," merely using it to cover plotholes or cheaply write ways out of corners. Bleh.
Vote goes to Metro 2033, because the tide seems to be going that way. =P
SlyDante after beating the game twice and watching a playthrough, I’m pretty sure the cult wants Edward to try hunting them while also getting indoctrinated. It’s a bit of a mess because Leviathan is also guiding Edward and his wants are to be free, even though he intentionally got captured and the cult doesn’t seemingly want him freed.
Either way, the reason the cultist waits until Edward sees the portrait to take it is so that Edward will be brought further into the plot.
This both ruins any illusion of choice and covers most plot holes, so maybe it’s just my head cannon.
We can all agree on Metro series, please 😂
I don't know if you've noticed this, but it sometimes feels like GCN straight up rips off some of your jokes. Like, verbatim. Gonna have to double check just to make sure I'm not crazy.
Di'Rico Baker yup I noticed too
Yep i noticed that in his Mass effect Andromeda video.
They do. Here pretty soon they'll be releasing a video he did that got tons of views.
Umbra RDR2 is going to be a possible suspect, but they don’t just take Dartigans stuff. There was another person they take from...Aha! It was Dunkey! They take from Dunkey as well...
@@MoonlitKarma Videogamedunkey?? The bastards.
The game wasn't billed as an adaptation of the work itself but an adaptation of the Chaosium RPG lol.
thank you!
A star walks into a black hole but doesn't seen phased.The black hole then turns to the star and says, "I don't think you understand the gravity of this situation."
Regarding the groundskeeper (Silas Winchester) who isn't seen again, I think it's highly plausible that he was "in on it" with the cultists. Obviously he'd save her since they saw her as they oracle, and then he probably was in on it with covering up what really happened while she's actually locked up at Fuller's asylum.
The ax was the Legendary McMuscles Axe. It was lost long ago and now was found in this time of most dire need.
13:40 Well if you read the books, you would know that the elder sign protects the user against the deep ones '-'
And that they always have a limit, that's why there were so many signs carved out all over
Yep, that's exactly it. Everything I say below is for the benefit of those who haven't yet pieced it together from the stories.
The Elder Sign was made & used by the Old Ones (the alien race as depicted in the story At the Mountains of Madness), the alien race that fought & entrapped the Elder Gods long before the coming of Man on Earth. They even used it to seal the various tombs of Elder Gods remaining of Earth & to seal the dimensional portals that would allow others to come back to Earth. The Elder Sign was also mentioned (& shown) in the Necronomicon itself, as it was authored by the Mab Arab. The Arab was much closer to being a contemporary modern-day man, as compared to the Old Ones...He wrote the book because of the visions & other ancient writings that he had found; The Necronomicon is primarily a "compendium" of what he found out, not the original source material. Sure, the Elder Gods wouldn't have included anything that would prove as a defense against themselves, but they never wrote that dammed book!
But yes, the Elder Sign does have its limits. This is why human cultists can perform rituals that can override the Elder Sign's defenses. When a number of dedicated people have focused their will in the same direction, they are capable of affecting reality. The purpose of the rituals is to keep their minds in tune with each other...The best way to explain it would be through the use of Quantum Mechanics. This is what overrides the Elder Sign & also explain *why* the Elder Gods actually NEED humans to call them into returning.
"Lovecraft was never this onn the nose."
Remember "Gillman" hotel in the town of fish people?
In context its not that bad a chapter before that it was already clear that the town was full of fish people this is just to specify that the MC is fucked
Shadow over Innsmouth is my least fav Lovecraft story tbh
Another sin, the symbol on the amulet isn’t even the Elder Sign. The Elder Sign is similar to a tree branch, while the star with the eye in the center is a popular misconception.
This was in fact a point and click adventure game disguised as a fist person detective game
My guess for what caused Sarah to be unconscious during the fire was just that she passed out from stress and fear. That's my best explanation.
Metro 2033
Lovecraft invented zombies with Herbert West: Re-Animator.
“Invented zombies" lmfaooo
Your sin was thinking that choosing the “reject the cult” ending was the good ending.
I enjoyed this game.. short but sweet
I realy like you dartigan
When cat jumped me, I countered her attack and punched her in the face.
I really had high hopes for this one
3:40 I didn’t even have that scene when I played. There were so many times when things felt wonky and I wondered if I’d missed things. This confirms it.
Nyarlethotep didn't speak English specifically. Nyarlethotep will speak and the humans it will speak to will understand no matter what actual language it is using. Nyarlethotep and all the other Outer Gods can simply will things to be as they want, they don't play by our rules, ever.
Additionally, Nyarlethotep is an Outer God, not an Elder God. It's Azathoth's own "child" in fact.
I enjoyed this game. It has a great atmosphere.
You forgot to mention another sin. The noticeable grammatical and syntax errors found in the captions of the game.
Leviathan isn’t a God. That’s why it speaks directly to the player/island inhabitants. Also Charles is the one who’s watching the police car arrive at the mansion, not Silas.
Also also the cultists were drawing Edward in the whole time, so that’s why they wait to draw him into the cave.
Edit: thinking it over it might be the cultist watching and not Charles, who’s probably already in the caves.
Also the third: Bradley gets killed in the caves and brought back by the Serum fuller uses.
And Algernon uses the amulet/key during that section, but it honestly doesn’t make sense anyway.
The visions you didn’t understand are there to break down Edwards will.
I agree with half your statement there are plot holes but the other half is Babel that can be explained.
game based on multiplayer tabletop game is singleplayer
Michael Hanratty many games based off tabletop games are single player. and the tabletop game wasn’t exclusively multiplayer, and was still enjoyable playing solo
this games actually not that bad imo
Agreed it had potential but very unrefined
O/10 not enough virulent racism. Did they even read Lovecraft?
Ease it on the memes.
Letter out of number.
@@rorystockley5969 It's not a meme, the guy was so racist that even other racists thought he was a lunatic!
@@Nyrufa I haven't read much Lovecraft but if I recall correctly Shadow Over Innsmouth is one of the classic examples... I read it the other day and, although it's mentioned *Massachusetts' people* racism towards the weird Innsmouth look, the *protagonist* never justifies *his* own horror "just because they kind of look Native American".
Any other horror writer would have also said people were racist towards disgusting fish people. If there are any instances of actual racism towards real ethnicities in his work, as was in the mind of every single white writer at the time, it certainly was toned down and far from blatant.
@@guilhermebranco8572 "the blackest of African voodoo circles" - That is an actual quote from one of his writings. As for the Shadow Over Innsmouth story, I have been told that he wrote that story as a response to finding out that he had some Welsh ancestry.
2:05 "Lovecraft was never this on-the-nose"
I direct your attention to the Gilman House in "The Shadow Over Innsmouth"
I noticed many of these things while playing the game and somehow the one where the bookstore owner had no rounds in his revolver made me cackle the most lol
Other than that, I did really enjoy the game! Gave me some Amnesia and Outlast vibes which I've been missing in my life :3
Another sin is that your character, an army veteran, can't defend himself against one bootlegger.
and a 24 year old petite woman at that
He can if u upgraded strength
Shambler used for only two scenes in game DING!
Like all uses of any of the minions of the Elder Gods, a little goes a long way...
Wow my game was alot brighter than in your video, and my first visit to the House was daytime. Strange
It's based on choices you made in town
How a person who never really read HPL's works would make an HPL game.
You missed one. You can access your journal before you even pick up your journal. You also get drunk vision before the alcohol hits your lips
Am I the only one that enjoyed this game?
Dr. Fuller, needing to maintain face in his field and the practice that he uses to research the 'secrets of life', heals both officer Bradley and the protagonist from being crushed to death/a hole through the chest. If the cultists and Charlie weren't crushed then Bradley wouldn't have been either.
Protags mistake was running.
Just after protag wakes up, he begins screaming about the cult. Giving the doctor a reason to lock him up in the psych ward. You find that the doctor is actually attempting to create new life in his basement.
The weird part is that officer Bradley doesn't remember anything.
Bradley didn't think protagonist was a psycho, and his girlfriend said mean things about Dr. Fuller. Inspiring Brad to go back to save him.
This is not an adaption of shadow over insmouth, in the shadow over insmouth, the MC is visiting a town that worships Dagon for fun, Finding that the town has been shelled and screwed into fishdom, escaping, then learning he's actually a fishboy on his moms side and going back.
2005 CoC IS an adaption of shadow over innsmouth.
This adaptation does make a pretty big deal about the key people being involved getting visions and hearing things, leading to kahtoolou being set free.
The real sin is that the protagonist had to get called in by the lady's father.
Leviathan is the big bad of the game, being a set piece to tie the rest of the Lovecraft references together, could be forgiven for speaking english.
The real sin is how they just shoved random Lovecraft words into the game like it was a new toy from build-a-oldone.
BIG SIN: drake leaves clues for people because if you can solve a puzzle then you should have the most dangerous book on earth.
The book was handled poorly. People with 0 occult knowledge or much regular knowledge shouldn't get much out of it.
r'yleh is the prison of cthulu in all canons, built by "the greatest race"? I think...
The key should be limited to those who are sane.
The amulet SHOULD be on Sarah but the guy uses it as a talisman to seal the shambler, then she gets corrupted immediately after while the amulet is off. Then is used by the guy during the counter-spell ending.
Cthulu didn't have a plan-A, leviathan did, thankfully booze and lying to yourself exists, which saves you enough sanity to still be able to choose not to bring back the big squid. Not a great cop out but still.
There is literally no better use for teleportation than to be a dick.
Prove me wrong.
Pro-tip: you can't.
Ur mom green.
Seagreen maybe.
What Sanders means with his vague hints, is that like Medusa in Greek mythology you do not want to look at Cthulhu in person doing so you're not going to be yourself mentally it's that terrifying.
Honestly, give Dartigan props for knowing his Lovecraft Mythos
1. While inspired by and drawing from various Lovecraftian works, this game was based on the roleplaying game, not the story. This game doesn't really have anything to do with Shadow over Innsmouth either, doesn't even share many similarities.
2. The Leviathan is a starspawn, not an Elder God.
3. Lovecraft often was that on the nose actually.
4. That people are still on the island after the whaling industry failed is explained over the course of the game, completely within the consistent lore of the game.
It was at this point I stopped watching because I realized it was just going to be more of the same.
Consistent lore of the game. Yeah, okay.
You aren't always investigating at night. There's a few times you're in the Hawkins mansiom during the day doing stuff
Despite everything, I was still enjoying the game, until I got to the end of the game, only for every ending to be incomplete nonsense that just cuts out without making much sense. The post credit scenes don't help. Hadn't been this upset over a bad game ending since Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requem showed me one third of a cutscene.
1:08
It's "Nyarlathotep" not "Nyarlothotep"
Great video. Anyway, Metro 2033.
I'd like to point out that they got the shambler wrong.
"When they have chosen a victim they will attempt to suck them into their own dimension calling as many of their cohorts as needed. While they do seem to grab at the victim they actually use a form of hypnosis that can be broken by a strong willed person. [...] When they try to suck a victim in it will seem as if the place around the Shambler disappears behind it and their own dimension will become visible."
They are NOT random spoopy slasher villains.
They are sort of like pickmans model and the thing in the painting from Lovecraft earlier works
Also it's pretty good board game adaptation. Which means Werewolf The Apocalypse from same creators can be good.
I gave a like just for sin n°4. Totally deserved
Nobody gotta talk about how sick that intro is?
I think the biggest sin is how Lovecraft intended it all to be incomprehensible science rather than magic, but the devs made the game more magic based (Like the painting and the dagger).
The whole "Magic sigils" thing messed up the true horror of it, aswell as the linear story. Since this is based off the ttrpg (Which I am a long fan of/DMer for) I believe the linear path the game took killed it. Especially with the flexibility with their rpg skill mechanics and that one combat scene, it makes the whole thing feel like it doesn't know what it wants to be, like a confused junior on career day.
It should've been more sandbox, like sinking city but good and fleshed out. Honestly, I'm gonna develop a game now, just to flex. Actually decent sanity mechanic, good combat, stealth, useful skills, etc.
Ok Buddy I agree save for the combat. Thought the ending gun shooting was pretty lame and basic.
@@CybermanKing exactly. Have actions either be cut scenes with quicktimes, or more resources into it. Although, it shouldn't be common anyways. Have a chase instead, stick to the RPG they're basing it off
dark corners of the earth seems to be the only modern lovecraft fps that even gave a shit about the mythos, the 2018 version and the sinking city barely touch the source material
Why are all games trying to be like movies by being based on books if they don’t follow the source material right?
Ty_ teynium they’re not trying to copy the story, it’s called being based off a book or taking inspiration from a book
@@winkletinkle8007 Yes that is what I said.
it was based on the CoC game which was based on the CoC book
Ty_ teynium my bad it sounds like you’re asking for a perfect replication of the story, but they did use the story as an inspiration, so i’m not sure what you’re asking for?
Dart vids always make my day. Good to see the next one is about this game
after the cave in the entrance is actually blocked when you go back to the office to check
I was so disappointed they didn't even try to add gameplay. No, I don't consider walking around and looking at puzzles gameplay. The first one may have been jank but it had character and you remembered it. This game? Naw... forgotten as fast as it showed up.
"You could have let him get awa." Haha.
completed a couple of days ago, surely the best investigation horror I have ever played
Bought this game for 60, and immediately regretted it after the first 20 minutes
Actually this game is an adaptation of the ttRPG system known under the same name.
Sin 3. - its not an elder one nor outer god speaking - its a Leviathan whose connection to Cthulhu is not revealed but it seems that it serves a role of mediator between Cthulhu and people by letting itself get captured, it's meat eaten and then speaking to people, turning them mad enough to summon Cthulhu.
Sin 9 - you are taking it out of context. Mental issues meaning such that would lead to her burning her entire family alive...
Sin 13 - Affluent rich? I guess you did not play the game thoroughly otherwise you would have known that even Hawkins family was pretty much broke, unable to repair their own house. The only one somehow rich is the Cat smuggling alcohol from the mainland.
Sin 27. Sarah's father was not allowed to the crime scene so he could not have known about those circumstances. Why the police came to such an absurd conclusion? Good question
Sin 30. I thought the lonely cultist was Charles Hawkins behind a mask - at the time I thought he was obsessed with his dead wife but her not being dead and him knowing about it, it doesn't make any sense, nor does the warehouse part...
Sin 38. As Fuller is a senior cultist who pledged himself to the Leviathan in exchange for it's blood that has miraculous regenerative properties it makes perfect sense - he cured both and erased Bradley's memory by drugging him.
Sin 45 - no, its not - try to go there - its caved in and your character tells you that it wasn't a dream after all.
Sin 75. - actually it's not the same soldier - it's the one you picked from his playroom if I remember correctly
But yes, the rest is pretty spot on! Thank you for pointing out plot-holes I did not notice during the gameplay.
Your videos are awesome
Vote: Battlefield V, due to all the drama.
Comment: This did indeed give off Vampyr vibes... and left me almost as confused... i won't blame Dartigan, i'll just blame the game...
I loved this game
this is....special and clearly made hastily
I just checked and a bag of chips was stopping my freezer from closing all the way.
Good lookin' Dart.
I’m curious to know what’s your favorite game
And know it’s sins 😂😂
Sin #88 - To be fair you do see the amulet again if Drake is kept alive and you perform the counter-ritual at the end of the game. The real sin here is that in this scene Drake wears the amulet, not Sarah. If Drake had just put the amulet on Sarah when she begins to go mad then the final events of this game would have never happened...
Unpopular opinion: i actually like this, but only because i know nothing about the Mythos and i got what i expected out of it.
When I played Bf V campaign I already imagined @Dartigan doing video of it
You should try playing "The Sinking City." It's another Lovecraft inspired game that also has elements of "The Shadow Over Innsmouth" in its story. I wonder why entertainment companies keep going back to that particular story myself. Fishmen aren't scary anymore, especially for fantasy game players.
It's because its the one story that based in reality more then any other.
I can explain that Sin #8 is actually realistic. Some people have trouble looking people dead in the eye, as doing so can hurt. It's an autism spectrum thing.
I'm not on the spectrum, but I am struggling with what appears to be social anxiety disorder and it happens to me all the time. It's irrational and you know it, but you just can't look into other people's eyes or even at their faces, you'll always focus your sight somewhere down or to the side. If you do manage to force yourself to look at someone, it's very unpleasant and stressful, and you'll turn your head almost immediately. The only person I can easily maintain eye contact with is my boyfriend - and even that took some time.
I wouldn't be surprised if it affected people with PTSD or other disorders as well.
A hardboiled WW1 veteran private detective though?
And your point is irrelevant since it makes the game look like shit.
@@TheReallydontcare specifically a shell shocked veteran
"May the rats eat your eyes."
This game reminds me i should be playing Eternal Darkness instead of this.
10:56 Hugo Strange,what are you doing here?
Hugo strange is based off over Lovecraft an doctors, so is Arkham asylum and many other Batman motifs
3:24 I know I wasn’t the only one with headphones that jumped
The truth is that people read Cthulhu and thought "I am so buying it" and that explains everything you need to know about suckers lol.
Sin a Silent Hill game or Metal Gear Solid 4
He's said on stream that during the summer of 2019 he might sin the MGS games.
Actually, MGS games in general would be awesome.
On point, I finished it, this is helping wash off some of the sour taste left in my mouth.
It's a shame people still try and pretend point and click adventure games are dead, because the genre can be great if it's done right.
OH NO - HERE COME MORE DEEP ONES! They have 15 HP and 2 points of armor; time to break out the shotguns.