13:50 That is probably the hardest bait I've seen. He intentionally used rollout the wrong direction so that when PPMD tried to gimp him by intentionally getting hit, he actually would survive. If PPMD didn't take it, it would be a self destruct.
Mizter Man lol hbox makes a hard bait that works out, and everyone thinks it's all a super mistake. See, I can do it too. On a serious note, judging by his face during the combo you'd think it was intentional. Who knows, though.
Mizter Man Eh, thing is, Hungrybox's entire style is floating around, baiting people into thinking they can hit him, then just sorta weaving around their attacks and unleashing the bear. As you said, rollout is a bad choice whichever direction he was facing, yet he still used the move. Baiting someone into thinking they have a free gimp is totally in line with how he plays, and it gives him a free recovery plus a bunch of damage. Only HBox knows for sure though.
PP wasn't attempting to get hit by that rollout, he thought hbox was facing left so he dashed to the right to avoid getting hit, you can see his dash animation.
I think these sets could have gone "either way", PP just panicked a couple of times when he was forced onto the ledge. IMO the worst thing you can do against Puff is panic, because then you just run into the wall. If you wait out the wall, Puff really can't do anything to you if you play very safe, as the wall isn't actually impenetrable.
+jazaniac I know this is a while later, but yeah. Fsmash has what is called a lingering hitbox, so it can damage you pretty much until Falco puts his leg down.
***** I thought he was talking about the physical act of crouching to get under marth's grab hitbox, not the actual technique of crouch cancelling. Oh well.
Daniel Zaman When was the last time Peepee beat Hbox? Upon some research, it looks like it was The Fall Classic in Sept. 2013 where Peepee won 2-0 in Winners Semis but subsequently lost 3-0 to Hbox in Losers Finals.
Daniel Zaman I feel that if Falco plays perfect he can stuff Puff 100% of the time and the matchup will be unwinnable. But until that happens Puff is able to take almost every opening to death. Falco wins neutral hard but Puff punishes way harder; fairly close to even if you ask me. Watching Peepee in WF and LF he looked kind of lost mentally, totally outmatched. Things like him trying to recover to the stage 5 times in a row when Hbox is giving him the ledge for free every time. (Look at the player cam throught his set with Hbox, it definitely doesn't look like he's in a good mindset.) He definitely is capable of doing it, it just seems like he doesn't know what to do vs. Hbox atm, and that shows with Hbox taking the last 4 sets they've played over a period of almost 2 years.
14:52 Toph: "The fire transformation helps PP"
First the Windmill with Plup and now the Tree with PP. Toph making bad calls lol.
I was so sad on the other match with Plup when that happened
Kodorin a real one!
Kodorin pog
The year is 20XX everyone use XXL shirt
13:50 That is probably the hardest bait I've seen. He intentionally used rollout the wrong direction so that when PPMD tried to gimp him by intentionally getting hit, he actually would survive. If PPMD didn't take it, it would be a self destruct.
BaufenBeast lol hbox makes a super mistake that luckily works, and everyone thinks it's all a part of his master plan.
Mizter Man lol hbox makes a hard bait that works out, and everyone thinks it's all a super mistake.
See, I can do it too. On a serious note, judging by his face during the combo you'd think it was intentional. Who knows, though.
Xianji
if you mained jigglypuff, you'd know there is ALWAYS a better option than rollout.
Mizter Man Eh, thing is, Hungrybox's entire style is floating around, baiting people into thinking they can hit him, then just sorta weaving around their attacks and unleashing the bear. As you said, rollout is a bad choice whichever direction he was facing, yet he still used the move. Baiting someone into thinking they have a free gimp is totally in line with how he plays, and it gives him a free recovery plus a bunch of damage. Only HBox knows for sure though.
Mizter Man He effectively got in Leffen's head at Sandstorm
Notice how PPMD gets one place higher every Evo? next time he'll get second. Therefore, here's to PPMD, Evo 2017, 1st place. I'm calling it.
Sucks to suck
Oof Evo is gone now
this aged like shit lmao
Damn
Every year this ages worse and worse
PP wasn't attempting to get hit by that rollout, he thought hbox was facing left so he dashed to the right to avoid getting hit, you can see his dash animation.
14:54 Ultimate knockback before Ultimate.
Pp just looks soo defeated after the first game
This was the saddest set by far.
+blueblockk What about Mango?
+LukeMM95 That was also very sad :((((
14:34 why did PP take a random 1% there? He went from 70 to 71 with nothing happening.
Mattysacs HOLY shit yeah it makes no sense
Mattysacs Ha he got pushed off camera and it began adding percent before it caught up to him.
He took magnifying glass damage
+Mattysacs Happened again right after at 14:37 lol
I think these sets could have gone "either way", PP just panicked a couple of times when he was forced onto the ledge.
IMO the worst thing you can do against Puff is panic, because then you just run into the wall. If you wait out the wall, Puff really can't do anything to you if you play very safe, as the wall isn't actually impenetrable.
+ruhtraeel Puff is most vulnerable as soon as the bair comes out
Yo you predicted the meta for the next 5 years lmao
This is my favorite matchup in melee
That tree at the end was so sad :( PP would have got it.
So does falco's fsmash have some sort of latent energy release? because how does the hitbox stay that strong after his leg has stopped moving?
+jazaniac I know this is a while later, but yeah. Fsmash has what is called a lingering hitbox, so it can damage you pretty much until Falco puts his leg down.
Ppmd seems like a preety nice guy
What the fuck, why did you put grand finals as the first in the playlist.
how did hbox make losers finals if he got 2-0d by plup in losers semis? or is that just an error and hbox actually beat plup?
+rishabh anand hbox beat plup 2-0
ok so tha bracket on the video was wrong
Yes it was wrong. I'm not really sure why
thats the first time ive ever seen hbox miss a rest
***** You must not watch a lot of Melee lol
***** he misses about 30% of them
14:54 commentator sounds like he's speaking in gibberish from that tongue twister
Cleanest I’ve ever seen anyone play while getting 3-0d
Why does he keep calling Dancing Blade "A Thousand Needles?
+Devilwing Productions The combo, first hit Dancing Blade to U-tilt, is called "Thousand Needles", which is what PPMD was attempting.
Somehow screwed up the bracket to say Plup 2-0'd HBox.
Pp is the gahd damn greatest
I hate when hbox is all day doing shitty crouch cancels. PP should play like PPU on this match, back-throws and tiper
It's just called crouching, not crouch canceling. You sound like a noob.
Marcus Clough It is call crouch cancelling. It's the act of cancelling knock back while crouched.
www.ssbwiki.com/Crouch_cancel
***** I thought he was talking about the physical act of crouching to get under marth's grab hitbox, not the actual technique of crouch cancelling. Oh well.
Marcus Clough you sounds like the noob now
Ricardo Salazar Lol no. You sound like a noob because you are mad that someone used a technique in a competitive game.
PPMD wont loose to hbox again.
Daniel Zaman When was the last time Peepee beat Hbox? Upon some research, it looks like it was The Fall Classic in Sept. 2013 where Peepee won 2-0 in Winners Semis but subsequently lost 3-0 to Hbox in Losers Finals.
Daniel Zaman I feel that if Falco plays perfect he can stuff Puff 100% of the time and the matchup will be unwinnable. But until that happens Puff is able to take almost every opening to death. Falco wins neutral hard but Puff punishes way harder; fairly close to even if you ask me.
Watching Peepee in WF and LF he looked kind of lost mentally, totally outmatched. Things like him trying to recover to the stage 5 times in a row when Hbox is giving him the ledge for free every time. (Look at the player cam throught his set with Hbox, it definitely doesn't look like he's in a good mindset.) He definitely is capable of doing it, it just seems like he doesn't know what to do vs. Hbox atm, and that shows with Hbox taking the last 4 sets they've played over a period of almost 2 years.
+BHawksFan01 They also never play
The last time hbox and pp played
13:50 HOLY SHIT
0:37 plup 2 hbox 0 lolz
I don't understand how hbox could be so good vs pp
PPMD doesn't have a tournament Fox. Fox can kill puff off a grab at 50%. Every other character/player will struggle against puff.
Re-l Mayer hes not a god for nothing.
***** He's good at beating Mango lol
Humble Bumble LOL what? Fox destroys Puff, and Marth, Falco, and Captain Falcon also beat Puff.
Its not like Fox is the only answer to Puff.
Maybe I should have been more clear by saying Hbox's puff. Fox is his worst matchup by far. He doesn't lose much to other top tiers.
Straight destroyed ppmd.
not really
3-0 over ppmd? thats amazing
Every time Hbox beats someone he looks him in the eyes and enjoys every bit of victory. I despise him.
literally I don't understand why you are giving him shit for doing nothing. He looked completely normal the whole set. Nothing but humble.