Just missed at 17:13, but after Bruce wakes up, you can see one last sheet of paper floating down. A mere dream or nightmare doesn't move real objects. That disturbance was caused by an actual intrusion from a possible future implanting a prescient vision in Bruce's mind.
I always thought that because the brain has so much electric activity between neurons, I feel like the speed force (having all that electricity) can affect the brain in some capacity. This was one of them. Having a doorway to the future opened in front of you taps you into it
@@rdleyaugust He passed out? Because that's a thing now. If someone from the future turns up you pass out, and then wake up the split second they leave... Nice try.
"There is no woman in this room, only a journalist" is a real line spoken by Marie Colvin. A war journalist who gave her life covering wars & was like a real life Lois Lane. Such a cool tribute to her.
"If you seek his monument look around" is actually from Christopher Wren's tomb. A famous architect. Snyder's love for architecture really shows in this film with that quote & Bruce's cave & house.
@johnmonk66 the writers created Doomsday to kill Superman. In the lore, Doomsday was created by the alien scientist Bertron to be the ultimate lifeform, but his survivability tests were cruel and trained it at a genetic level to fear, hate, and desire to kill all life.
It’s a common misconception, but they don’t bond because their mothers have the same name. Batman was a moment away from ending Superman, and both of them knew it. And in his last moment, Superman begged Batman to save someone else. And at first, it made Batman mad, because he’d built Superman up in his mind as this completely alien being, but when Lois points out that Martha is the name of Clark’s mom, Batman has a ‘My god, what have I done’ moment of clarity.
@LuckySmurf because in Batman’s eyes, Superman is just a dangerous alien that needs to be put down. Saying ‘save my mom’ wouldn’t have done anything. The idea that Superman even HAS a human mother is a concept Batman hasn’t even considered. And Superman knows this. He knows how Batman feels. Batman has spent the better part of their interaction (this fight particularly) verbally dehumanizing him. Beyond that, the entire film itself has Clark feeling more and more separated from the world and feeling like an outcast. Not even an hour previously, Lex Luthor, who has a very similar view of Superman as Batman does, referred to Martha as Clark’s mother exactly twice. •”Every boy’s special lady is his mother.” •”But the mother of a flying demon must be a witch.” The rest of the time he exclusively uses Martha’s name, because like Batman, he views Clark as an alien, and while he knows Clark cares enough for Martha for her to be an exploitable weakness, he doesn’t view the mortal woman as actually the ‘god’s’ mother. Batman is the same way. Clark needed to make Martha an actual named person, rather than some vague, nebulous, possibly deceptive concept of ‘my mother,’ and it probably wouldn’t have worked if Lois, another human, hadn’t shown up to spell it out for the enraged Dark Knight. Tl;dr Batman is so far gone that Martha has to be humanized for him, and saying ‘save my mom’ would have resulted in a stabbed Superman.
@@LuckySmurf saying martha works better because it calls to that child that was smothered out by the existence of his "batman" persona. bruce wayne has never been a real person but a charade, a mask. bruce all but died that night in the alley and the batman was born. his whole story is the struggle of batman consuming what is left of that boy with a few like alfred continuosly bringing attention to who he was supposed to be had batman never come to be. hearing martha touched that bit of bruce left just enough to grant a moment of humanity and let him realize what he has done. people who see batman as a face value man in a mask miss how deep this moment was. batman above all is a psycological struggle of a hero....now all that aside he cant say his "mom" that would be him saying hes clark kent lol
Great reaction! You could watch Wonder Woman and aquaman next, they’re a lot of fun, but I’d watch Snyders justice league first, it’s the true sequel to BvS. Even at four hours it goes by so quickly and as it’s in segments you can def review it in two or three videos. Stay clear of the joss Whedon movie except for a hate watch , it has issues.
You need to watch Justice League next, but for full context it has to be the Snyder Cut. Yes, it's about 4 hours long, but the theatrical release version just won't give you the full vision of this entire story. If you liked this, the Snyder Cut is the perfect close to the story.
@@tosweet68 I suppose it would help for backstory with Themiscyra, but only to the same level she'd need to watch Aquaman before JL as well. I don't think it's totally necessary, but it's a bit helpful.
LMFAO! All the "is he dead? is he dead?" You poor unfortunate soul, when Superman died in the comics, it was one of, if not THE biggest thing in the world at the time. All the news outlets were even covering it.
If you think this was even close to "the biggest thing in the world" while the 1992 election, the Rodney King riots, the breakup of Yugoslavia and the multinational intervention in Somalia were going on, you might be a manchild with no connection to the real world.
It was a slow news day otherwise, so it was all over the news channels. Also he was dead for a whole year...and with 4 Superman titles running, as well in tie ins, there is a whole shortbox full of JUST "Death of/Funeral For a Friend/Reign of the Supermen" issues.
@@davidmeloche3563 It wasn't a whole year. It was more like 9 months and Superman was brought back about 8 months in. It was a hell of a fake out though. The Death of Superman Trilogy is still my all-time favorite Superman storyline and that's really saying something.
I kinda hope she doesn't. The Synder cut has more in it, but it makes each of the characters even worse people (which is absolutely Synder). Joss Whedon, for all his personal faults, made a much better version of Synder's movie that actually had some humor and hope in it. It still wasn't "good", but it was less bad. Synder is good at making superhero comic panels, where they look awesome in a freeze frame image. He is absolutely horrible at story and character. He hates superheroes and it shows in everything he makes. He sees people as inherently selfish and evil. Hard to believe that and make a superhero that isn't basically a villain.
At this point in time Batman is already weathered and paranoid. The “Joke’s On You” suit belonged to Robin. So this is a Batman that has stopped pulling his punches on criminals.
@@davidmorgan6896 Most people haven’t met Robin since Batman & Robin (1997) was his last appearance in a live action film. So, a lot of folks probably wouldn’t have even noticed that suit was Robin’s, especially with the dark color grading in the film. Most of the audiences of these films aren't big DC fans like ourselves. So it's pretty easy to miss and we could've even gotten a flashback, like Under the Red Hood.
@LittleGalaxyBoy I would agree with you if you were talking about The Flash, but most people know who Robin is, even if they don't know much about him; other than his relationship to Batman. From watching reaction videos,j I see many people only watch films at a very superficial level and need to be spoonfed narrative details.
Saw this film in theatres years ago, i thought it was such a great intricate film. A whole chess game concocted by Lex Luthor until the big showdown. Beautiful film, great reaction!
14:20 Superman is not an Alien or a God. He is just a guy from Kansas who's doing the right thing and show people we can do so much better. even if his life is miserable.
Part 2. Here’s a little of the story, back in 2017 Snyder lost his daughter Autumn due to suicide, while he was mourning and still working to finish his project Warner Started to push changes to his movie when he already did after BvS, when he couldn’t handle the pressure and demands cause he didn’t have the energy to fight back Warner to respect his movie he decided to leave the JL post production, at the time the movie was already shot and almost finished, to sum up, to avoid rumors and bad press WB made him say he brought Joss Whedon a Marvel director, from the avengers 1, to “finish the film” then it was announced it was going under some reshoots and the fans noticed something was off and went crazy cause reshoots equals disasters, we were right, they took advantage of Snyder’s situation and ended up changing like 85% of the original movie, Eventually Snyder told us he was forced to say that he brought Whedon in when he didn’t even had a say in it, some messed up problems during the reshoots came to the light by the actors like Wonder Woman who had her career threatened by Whedon, Cyborg who claimed racist comments and that the president of WB ignored the complaints and other stuff like Affleck saying it was one of the worst experiences ever etc.
Whedon is an ass superheroes director I don't why he directs superheroes movies like that .I will always hate him for the josstice league and destroying ultron characterization in avengers 2 that character was Thanos level awesome he made him shit jokey comedian not a dangerous villain
One of the biggest problems with this movie is that Zack Snyder was forced by WB to drop his plans for a sequel to MoS in favor of this attempt to speed load Justice League and try to catch up to Marvel. Snyder's original plan for the sequel was for Superman to learn from the events of the first movie, and develop the code that turned him into the big blue boyscout, the beacon of hope for the world similar to what Christopher Reeve portrayed.
IMO it was a huge disservice to both Superman the character and Henry Cavill the actor that he never got to play a more straight-up, positive, mostly angst-free version of the character. Because I think he would have totally nailed something without all the darkness, and his legacy as Superman would be so much better than what this film series has made it.
@bartlebyscrivener2980 yeah, and it didn't help that audiences were already suffering from "dark and gritty" fatigue, except with Batman where that's the inherent tone anyway. That's why the MCU was doing so well, and why the only truly successful DCEU movies were Aquaman, Wonder Woman, and Shazam, they all kept a lighter overall tone for escapist fun everyone could enjoy, rather than trying to make realism that everyone could relate to, which is virtually impossible these days.
honestly, MoS was not gritty but this was and I kinda liked it. I think the tone made it more serious and not just a typical happy go lucky guy for whom daily planet writes puff piece editorials after he saves cats from trees.
@@Objective_Piece8285 It's so sad how so many hate on Snyder's Superman for being "a god" when this scene is right there directly showing the answer to his character, to who Superman is, who he always is in all of media, including the Snyderverse, given on a silver platter for all audiences.
Sorry to say, Superman dies to Doomsday in every medium. It was a classic story from the '90s. There's an animated 2 movie set that covers the story pretty well. You'll love Wonder Woman and Justice League. Make sure to watch the Snyder Cut of Justice League.
In the comic, Bruce Wayne brought in contractors from small 3rd world countries to build the Batcave. They had no idea what city they were in. And Lucius Fox and his son build all of Batman's vehicles and gadgets.
@theylied1776 Harold Allnut had that role in the 1990s. Lucius Fox as Batman's 'Q' is relatively recent (I think it might have been the Nolan movies that first introduced that side of him) - the character was first introduced in the late 1970s and originally he just worked the business end of Wayne Enterprises (also introduced at the end of the 1970s).
@IainGibson-h9h Okay newbie, Lucius Fox has been Batman's engineer, not "Q", which is incorrect because Q means quartermaster, since 1979 that is 46 years. Lucius Fox is a mechanical, electrical, and structural engineer. He conceives and builds all of Batman's equipment. What else you got?
I’m one of the few that really like this movie and was excited to see Snyder’s vision of the DC universe, but we really needed a Man of Steel 2 before Superman’s death. It would have just meant more.
Making Gotham City and Metropolis across the river from each other was a new twist, in this movie. In DC comics Metropolis and Gotham City were fictional versions of New York and Chicago.
In 1992 I bought 3 copies of The Death Of Superman. One for my friend one for me to read and one to keep sealed. It came in a black cellophane bag with a poster of the Justice League carrying his coffin followed by every superhero in the DC Universe and some supervillains. It also came with a cardboard black armband with the Superman logo on it.
1:05 - Well Addie, this movie was originally supposed to be 2 separate movies. BvS - Enter the Dark Knight. And then BvS - Dawn of Justice. These two movies was supposed to setup Justice League, that's how Zack Snyder and Chistopher Nolan envisioned it. But the studio interfered and made them changed it into 1 single movie. That's why the movie is so long. Because its a condensed script of two movies, not one.
Steppenwolf was also first meant to be the villain of Suicide Squad, which was also meant to be Snyder's film. There was a ton of studio interfering in Snyder's universe. People act like it was all his fault when already after Man of Steel he was cut out from most of the decisions.
That's a myth. It was never going to be split into two movies. That was just made up for some clickbait article, along with the "info" that Aquaman was going to be in the Suicide Squad movie. Three hours isn't really that long for a movie. "Return of the King" was that long, theatrical.
IMO as a 40+ year reader of DC a number of these movies were better than far too many gave them credit for. I'd say, see Wonder Woman next, then Justice League (Snyder cut) it's long but the theatrical release was crap. Then Suicide Squad, Aquaman, The Suicide Squad and stop. Everything else involved was complete trash.
The big scary creature that the trio fights is Doomsday who did appear in the comics debuting in the infamous “Death of Superman” storyline. The covers were iconic!
I'm an old school comics fan. I geeked out during the apocalyptic (no pun intended) dream sequence. Seeing the parademons of Darkseid on the big screen is something I would never see.
If you haven't already watched it (you might be way ahead), you REALLY need to watch the SNYDER CUT of Justice League once you get to it (You need to watch Wonder Woman before Justice League, and also Aquaman, if you want it to "line up correctly" btw). It is MILES ahead of the regular cut. Regular Justice League film is pretty crap. Zack Snyders Justice League is genuinely awesome. They're miles apart.
"The Future has taken root in the Present". Superman's revival in ZSJL ensured that the Knightmare future would happen regardless of what they did next. Fortunately, Barry's Flashpoint shenanigans in *The Flash* soft rebooted the film series (certain elements remain the same while while others significantly changed), unknowingly sparing everyone of that fate.
When Superman told batman *Save Martha!!* buy Batman Replied !¿Why did you say that name?! and he insisted we felt sad in that😭😭😭 scene Of The Movie or well i think some people Felt Felling but... in that bruce Has Visions with his parents and then lois lane arrive in tells bruce All Serious is that his mothers name but Batman didn t understand until he realized that the name that Lois said was Clark mother and His mother was Also called martha Wayne then batman regrets throws the Kryptonite Harpoon i hope it was sadness to the people🥺 or to you too I think You felt a Little feelings Addie...=(
When I first saw this movie, I thought it was alright but didn't hit the same as MoS. Glad the Ultimate Cut was released because it really did add some missing context to a lot of scenes and it felt far more interesting. Hope you do get around to watching the Snyder Cut of the Justice League, 4 hours seems like a lot but it is well worth it in my opinion just to wrap up this storyline.
Hi Addie, I did a video essay on "Bruce Wayne's Psychological Arc in Batman v Superman" that particularly delves into the rich visual storytelling in this film.
I honestly don't find this film all that dark. Hell, Matt Reeve's The Batman is a lot darker. But everyone's got their own perspective. For me, it's a moving examination of survivor's guilt and turning your anger towards the wrong thing.
@02:05 Ever since Frank Miller wrote his version of the origin of THE BATMAN, there have been pearls included in subsequent retellings. @10:07 Only for this film. Traditionally; Gotham is more like Chicago in geographic placement and style, and Metropolis is more like Manhattan. @16:04 This is a "flash forward" for what was supposed to be the third film in the Justice League series. IT WAS NEVER PRODUCED. @17:22 The aspect ratio changes from time to time because parts of this film were shot in IMAX. @46:44 His name is Cyborg. He was created by my friend Marv Wolfman, and George Perez.
I was just recalling that, too. Where did the pearls scattering enter the Batman origin canon? That's what I thought it was, too. Miller & Mazzuchelli's Batman Year One. It makes a good metaphor for young Bruce's whole world instantly coming apart. However, IRL it wouldn't happen, it's just another bit that requires our suspension of disbelief. A woman watching one of these live action depictions once told me that when a pearl neckace breaks only ONE pearl falls free, and all the others stay on the two remaining pieces of string. The makers of pearl necklaces know strings do break, and to keep the pearls from being lost, there are knots in the string between each pair of pearls... not visible because they are in small recessions in the pearls. Oh well. The scattering pearls make for a good, dramatic metaphor anyway, even if fictional. It's comics, after all.
That was true (their locations) up to around New 52. I don't remember if that's specifically when it changed, or just before/just after it started. But now Metropolis is supposed to be Manhattan, while Gotham is Trenton or Newark, and Bludhaven (Nightwing-Adult Dick Grayson Robin) is Jersey City. But yeah, it used to be Metropolis-Chicago, Gotham-NYC.
46:07 That suit was actually Robin’s, Joker killed in this universe, confirmed by Zack Snyder to be Dick Grayson, the first Robin. In the comics, though, it’s Jason Todd, the second Robin, who gets killed by the Joker, as depicted in A Death in the Family. I guess they didn’t want any versions of Robin showing up in this film. It would’ve been cool to see Dick Grayson as Nightwing, which is the hero he becomes after growing up and stepping out of Batman’s shadow. That’s why Jason becomes the new Robin. As a character, Robin has been greatly side-lined which is such a shame since he's so important to the development of Batman as a character and is a key character himself. It’s a shame we never actually got to see any of this, because it could’ve really helped people understand this version of Batman more. You can’t just introduce a Batman who kills and is more jaded without fans pushing back, especially since that’s such a big shift for the character. Batman’s no-kill rule is iconic, just like Superman’s, which he broke in Man of Steel. So it's just something that needed more development.
Would be cool if they made a prequel with Affleck again as Batman and show A Death In The Family storyline. Chalamet's the right age I believe to play Dick Grayson. And maybe they could bring in whoever is the Joker in Arkham Asylum at the end of The Batman.
@@KyleCollins-ny4em What a weird idea. If they were ever going to visit the Snyderverse version with Affleck, why would they use any Joker that isn't Jared Leto? The reception of his Joker in Suicide Squad was poor but Snyder showed us a small taste of how good he could have been in his cut of JL.
The no-kill thing is really dumb, Batman kills all the time it is just that the writers never show the consequences of his actions. I mean, Keaton's Batman gleefully shoves a bomb down a henchman's pants and nobody bats an eye and still call him the best Batman. Also, I've always been curious how many people has Batman killed due to blunt-force trauma, how many have become paraplegic or are in a coma because of him?
@@TheBlond49For real? So a terrorist clown who continues to escape from an asylum to commit mass murder on a monthly basis is the same as a robber who killed the Wayne's because he was panicked? I agree that Joe Chill shouldn't be killed, but people like the Joker need to be. And if Batman fears he becomes batshit crazy (no pun intended) if he kills just one single person who without a doubt deserves it, this confirms that he's just as crazy as the Joker (seeing as how that is the explanation for the existence of the Batman Who Laughs, who is a terrible character, btw), maybe he should quit being Batman and leave the job to people of more sound mind, like Red Hood.
The pearls at the murder of Bruce Wayne's parents are from Frank Miller's interpretation of Batman-- The Dark Knight Returns and Batman Year One. All the Batman movies pay homage to the comic book work of Miller. Great video. Happy New Year.
This movie, among other stories, adapts loosely the famous storyline "The death of Superman" from the early 90´s that got a lot of coverage from the media. In that story Superman also fights an unstoppable monster of kryptonian origin called Doomsday, but it comes from a genetic experiment rather than from the corpse of General Zod. I don´t think it is a spoiler saying that Superman resurrected later in the storyline called "The resurrection of Superman".
Canonically, Metropolis is in Delaware, and Gotham is in New Jersey. They are across the bay from each other. In the comics there is eventually a bridge that connects the two cities. It's so long it took Nightwing 2 hours to cross it on his motorcycle.
Happy New Year, Addie! 🎆🎆 In case you're wondering why the aspect ratio is different for some scenes in the movie, then those scenes were shot with 15-perf/70mm IMAX film cameras. Sir Christopher Nolan, who was executive producer of this movie and Man of Steel (2013), used them to shoot sequences in The Dark Knight (2008), The Dark Knight Rises (2012), Interstellar (2014), Dunkirk (2017), Tenet (2020) and Oppenheimer (2023). He's going to use a next generation of IMAX film cameras on his upcoming film The Odyssey (2026) with Matt Damon, Tom Holland, Zendaya, Anne Hathaway, Lupita Nyong'o, Robert Pattinson, and Charlize Theron.
I didn't know what Nolan is up to currently, and dammnnn... Odyssey sounds gooood. I'm looking forward to that now. Btw it's thought archeologists have found the RL Odysseus' tomb and actual remains. I'd normally such a claim is bullshit, but a docu on PBS I watched two or three months ago makes quite a strong case. His town and capitol wasn't on the island currently named Ithaka after all, but on an island immediately west of that one. Addie: Nolan's Dunkirk is excellent.
@bartlebyscrivener2980 I've been trying to get Addie to watch Dunkirk (2017). That's one of my all-time favorite Christopher Nolan movies. She's gonna feel on edge after that one. #DunkirkForAddieCounts
Addie is smart enough to see how great the Snyderverse is and appreciate it rather than find fault with it for not understanding it. Love You Addie. New subscriber. And if you want to keep watching the DCEU, you have to watch Wonder Woman, Aquaman and then Zack Snyder's Justice League. Hugs 😚
Here is a list of DC Extended Universe movies to watch (after Batman v Superman): - David Eyre's Suicide Squad - Wonder Woman - Justice League by Zack Snyder - Aquaman - Shazam - Birds of Prey: The Amazing Story of Harley Quinn - Wonder Woman 1984 - James Gunn's Suicide Squad - The Peacemaker/TV series - Black Adam - Shazam: Fury of the Gods - Flash - The Blue Beetle - Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom
Yes!! A lot of my favorite reactors skip out on stuff like the Suicide Squad (2021), and it sucks that they decide not to watch :( Hopefully she ends up doing reactions to the entire DCEU and the DCU as well
- This is just my opinion, so you know take it with a grain of salt but, I personally would not view a Superman who decided to take revenge upon who murdered his love, Lois as "Evil". Fully justified, you Murder the partner of a near invincible individual you should fully accept that he WILL come for you and not hold back. I would do the exact same thing, and I'm not "Evil" either; Don't murder my Wife.
Ngl Batman's fears, albeit too far, were valid and have been from comics and animations too. Superman, an alien, attracts other dangerous extraterrestrials to Earth, and for someone like him if mind-controlled can be super dangerous and unstoppable for humans to deal alone. I love Bats and Supes being friends and having mutual respect but I always feel when it comes to humanity or him, Batman will not think twice about ending Superman.
4:05 Why would that makes sense? It's not Superman destroying the buildings and killing people. It's Zod. Blaming Superman is like blaming a plumber for fixing broken pipes that are flooding your home. It's ridiculous. The whole premise of this movie is flawed. The idea that the world's greatest detective would blame Superman is silly. Lex's blowing up the senator is a bad way to frame Superman too. Superman doesn't use explosives. Everyone would know that. Lois is ridiculous to turn her back to Lex on top of a building when she was just kidnapped. Everyone in this movie is incredibly stupid.
It's called "guilt by association". How many people today blame all Muslims for what happened on 9/11? It's not about logic, it's about emotion. And yes, this movie was obviously meant to play into 9/11 paranoia. Bruce even makes a Dick Cheney reference with his "1% chance" justification.
@@obredaanps3 Xenophobia and guilt by association are cousins. But whichever one it is, it's meant to set Batman up as the bad guy of the movie. It overrides his rationality (which, let's face it, is not hard to do with Batman), and necessitates him finding something in common with Superman before he can let go of his anger. And no, it's not that their mothers are both named "Martha", it's that Superman's trying to *save* his mother.
My biggest problem with this film is all the heavy lifting it attempts to do to flesh out the world. It took enough plot that could've easily been eight to ten movies and squeezed it into one. The Marvel Cinematic Universe took a decade to set up the Avengers and their fight with Thanos. In this one film we get storylines from The Dark Knight Returns (The actual fight between Bats and Supes), Flashpoint (Bruce seeing the 'vision' of Barry Allen/The Flash telling him about Lois being, 'the key'), Injustice (Evil Superman caused by Lois' death), Justice League: War (Darkseid, Steppenwolf, and the 'Mother boxes), Justice League: Rock of Ages, (Post Apocalpse Batman fighting minions of Darkseid), Batman: Death In The Family (The death of Jason Todd at the hands of The Joker), and The Death of Superman (Doomsday and Superman's death). On top of all this, we got the introduction of the entire Justice League with their cameos on Lex's hard drive. It was simply too much, too fast. If you weren't a devoted comic book fan, a lot of the time you were lost with what was happening on screen. I feel like the DCEU's problems started here and never were able to be recovered.
You say that like those whole stories were being told here. They weren't. At best, they're Easter eggs for comic book fans. This movie told its own story, its own version of events. Not everyone got lost trying to remember everything that happened in all of those stories. This movie has plenty of fans; and judging not just by Addie's video but other reactions I've seen, it's still gaining new ones. The DCEU's problem was Warner Brothers taking the movies the directors made, chopping them all to pieces, and reassembling them as grotesque Frankenstein monsters; and the monsters turned on their creators. That's why anyone who wants to watch them now should only ever watch the director's cuts of them.
I like the uncut too but only one thing i would have like like like that they kept into this one and that's at the beginning when Superman arrives it cuts to him thunderously flying down from the clouds with angelic like ahh music theme and you should go watch that it really is awe the way he appears
I watched this movie in a theater along with my brother and a long-time friend of mine. Afterwards, we stood in the lobby for a full half-hour dissecting the many flaws we all saw in the movie. And I enjoyed that half-hour much more than the movie.
Hey, Addie! Escorting Diane Lane's Martha from Clark's funeral was the priest who Clark consulted with before revealing himself in his Gethsemane moment in "Man of Steel" and the redheaded IHOP manager who Clark saved i the bus accident as children. General Swanwick, played by Harry Lennix, is the government insider Lois contacts about the bullet and later reluctantly orders the nuke to fire on Supes. He was the same General from "Man of Steel". Remember this character! Doomsday was the creature that famously killed Superman in the comics. It was a comic event so big in the '90s that the New York Times reported on it! The Kryptonian scout ship that was used to birth Doomsday as a hybrid of human and Kryptonian DNA and which crashed in Metropolis in "Man of Steel" was the transplanted Fortress of Solitude from the Arctic excavation. Metropolis is an analog of Chicago and Gotham is an analog of NYC traditionally. In the DCEU, they're separated by a bay and are more like the twin cities of Saint Paul and Minneapolis in Minnesota. The Knightmare version of Batman and evil Superman is teased in this movie and was the ultimate destination of the DCEU before being terminated prematurely. The winged creatures are Parademons from Apokolips. Remember the vision Bruce had!
32:19 I don’t still understand all the hate about this scene. What matters is no coincidence that their mothers share the same first name. That name is both a shock to Bruce, reminding him of his parents' death and allowing him to understand that Clark is human and that he was wrong from the start.
The issue that I have is when faced with immediate danger like that you wouldn’t cream your mom’s name you would scream “Mom”. I think that’s where the hate comes from. If he would’ve said “they’re going to kill my mom” it would’ve have the exact same effect as saying “they’re going to kill Martha”. More so it just makes it more believable
Correct, Bruce was forced to confront Clark's humanity and realized he was in fact, more human than Bruce in many ways and that after 20 years of being Batman and losing everybody he loves (except Alfred) has taken it toll on Bruce's humanity making him the killing machine he was in this movie.
"There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead... Now, mostly dead is slightly alive. Now, all dead ... well, with all dead, there's usually only one thing that you can do...." -Miracle Max
@ technically he is, but as a Kryptonian his level of decay and degradation is slower. Much slower. Zack Snyder’s Justice League kind of explains this.
That made Suoerman explode in popularity, again. I stsrted reading rhe Superman books with The Death of Superman then The Superman replacement storyline that gave us Steele and 90's Superboy ( best Lex/ Supes clone, ever. Connor Kent.), the Eradicator and Cyborg Superman( great villian). Then The Return of Superman. I continued reading for 4 years, then sporatically after. Ed McGuinness ( who started on the Deapool monthly) jumping on art in 1999 made me read it monthly, again for a time.
It wasn't just a "nod to the Joker" on the Suit, that Suit was ROBIN'S SUIT, in this Universe the Joker had Murdered Robin, thats what pushed Batman over the edge to where he doesn't care about keeping most criminals alive.
This movie is phenomenal. Zack Snyder really said "I'm gonna show people what happens when Batman falls into the abyss that he's been staring into for so long, and then I'm going to have Superman drag him back, not by force, but by showing that he's willing to die to save others. And then, I'm going to have Superman *actually* die to save others." Yes, Superman died in this movie, and yes, he comes back in "Zack Snyder's Justice League". DC Comics tried to off Superman for good in the 90s, but they lost their nerve and brought him back, so a movie where he dies for good was never going to work. Any other superhero, maybe, but not Superman. So Zack said, "Whatever. Since he can't die for good, let's have his temporary death be as real as possible." And it was amazing. I can't wait for you to see ZSJL. (Never ever watch the theatrical version. Ever.)
It’s a shame so little of this was built up. We really should’ve gotten a film with a Silver Age-inspired Batman, one where he’s with Robin, rocking the classic blue and grey suit, in a more hopeful, happier time for the character. Then, they could’ve shown Dick Grayson’s death and how it pushed Batman into the darker, more broken version we see in this film. On top of that, the attack on Metropolis could’ve added even more fuel to his fall years later, tying the end of the Batman film directly into Man of Steel. It would’ve made Batman’s transformation feel more earned and impactful, rather than just introducing him in Batman v Superman. A lot of people don’t actually realize Batman has a no-kill rule, especially with how the live-action films portray him. Even Addie didn’t pick up on the fact that Batman is killing and using guns in this film. That contrast was really needed, and it would’ve been amazing to see the shift from a more traditional Batman to the one we see in this film, who’s eventually brought back by Superman. I wouldn't call it a phenomenal movie, simply has too many problems even with this cut of the film. But I'm glad you enjoyed it.
@GreenGoblin64 Batman's "no kill rule" is much more modern than you might think. It's something that comes up in the Dark Knight trilogy and the cartoons, but it was *not* in the comics (at least, not in the comics pre-2000). That's why Tim Burton could show Batman killing people in both movies without fans going "Wait, Batman doesn't kill people! I'm never watching this grimdark stuff again!" And why do we need to have it hammered into our heads that Batman has "changed" before the events of the movie? We get shown/told plenty of times that he's changed. Alfred scolds him for using "new rules" and branding criminals. The people of Gotham are worried about the "new kind of mean in him". Bruce himself laments that, after 20 years of fighting criminals, new ones just grow up like weeds. Zack Snyder's a much more subtle storyteller than he gets credit for; and perhaps ironically, it's the ones who complain the most about his "lack of subtlety" who have the point of the film go flying right over their heads.
01:05: "I will say, I feel it's very rare a movie actually needs to be three hours long." That is both a strength and flaw of Zach Snyder. His movies are good. . . but he needs to take his time with getting the story out. You can't expect him to constrain himself to a tight 90-120 minutes. That languid pace allows for a certain depth and complexity, but shorter runtimes mean more showings per day, which means more money, and those who are more interested in the destination than the journey can get bored. And it's not a style of film that works for everyone, or every subject matter. 04:31: "Aw, Jimmy!" Uh. . . yeah. . . 05:06: "You just shot Jimmy!" Yeah. I mean, I get that Jimmy Olsen isn't the easiest character to work with, but there are things you can do with him. Making him a CIA agent. . . eh. Killing him off after a few minutes? Yeah. . . no. That's not a "fun and different" thing to do with the character. 10:03: It depends on continuity. . . and sometimes on the issue. Metropolis is *generally* considered to be in New York state and standing in for New York City, Gotham is *generally* considered to be in New Jersey, but these can change as needed for the plot. 32:12: This moment gets a lot of flak, and I agree it's not written all that well. But the point isn't that their moms have the same name, or at least, that's not the entire point. Yeah, "Martha" does trigger Bruce, which makes sense, and that stuns him long enough for Clark to say a little more, but it isn't until he learns Clark's asking Bruce to save his own mother that Bruce wakes up. Bruce had dehumanized Superman, regarding him as "an alien" and "a threat." You see it all through the fight, what he says. "You aren't brave, *MEN* are brave." But in his final moments, this "alien" pleads with the man murdering him to save someone else's life. Showing Batman that Superman is more *human* than he is. I probably would have gone with Superman just choking out "Mar-tha," which pauses Batman long enough for him to get out "Martha Kent. Lex Luthor has her. He's going to kill her. Don't let him." It would be logical, Superman needs to let Batman know exactly who is in danger, and play into Bruce's lost "Martha." As it is, I feel like they were working too hard to get the moment in, which makes it feel a little forced and narm-y. 35:27: "It's looking like it's taking some effort to fight this. . . creature-monster-thing." Doomsday, and. . . and this is just a tragic misuse of him. Doomsday isn't exactly a compelling or interesting villain, but in context, he's perfect. Created as part of 1993's "The Death Of Superman" comic event, Doomsday was a mysterious monster with no thought beyond a mindless urge to destroy, challenging Superman on a purely physical level, and ultimately killing Superman and dying in the process (spoiler, they both got better). But, as a quote about "The Dark Age Of Comic Books" notes, "1993 is the year Superman died and Venom got his own series." This was firmly in The Dark Age of Comics, and while characters like Batman, The Punisher, and Wolverine flourished, characters like Superman, Spider-Man, and Captain America struggled, their bright optimism at odds with storytelling trends of the day. So Doomsday, this slate-gray monster covered in spikes with no motivation beyond its mindless urge to destroy, is basically the Anthropomorphic Personification of the Dark Age of Comics, and that Dark Age kills the Big Blue Boyscout to make room for daker, edgier, hipper substitutes, the "Reign of the Supermen" event that chronicled four Superman replacements. But none of them really were Superman, and the real Superman returns to show that Darker And Edgier Superman *is not Superman.* With this being only the second film this Superman has been in, we haven't built up his reputation as the Big Good, the Hope Bringer, so Doomsday can't function properly as "the Dark Age" coming to snuff him out. Superman's death just feels unearned. Yeah, DC was trying to race into a Justice League movie because Marvel had such a huge head start, and this does provide an impetus for them to gather, but. . . a movie about the death of Superman should be a *movie about the death of Superman,* not a movie, in which by the way Superman dies. For Justice League: the theatrical cut versus Zack Snyder's Justice League is a huge difference. I would recommend watching both for the interesting compare/contrast, but definitely watch Zack Snyder's first, and if that's the only one you watch, that's fine. It does have a few problems, I feel, but it's by far the superior film. And Wonder Woman is an absolute blast, you'll really love it.
I highly recommend The Snyder Cut of Justice League for the finale of this series. Basically, the studio didn't like a lot of the things that were done and compeltely cut them out for the theatrical version. Everything you saw while Batman was dreaming makes perfect sense watching Zack Snyder's version of Justice League.
Batman: thinks Superman's the villain after seeing the destruction he caused in his fight with Zod also Batman: blows up half of Gotham just driving his Batmobile around
God the haters are at it again, I don’t understand why the haters are here since they hate this movie, they are the ones who have to move on ! Let people enjoy these movies in peace for God’s sake, it’s 2025 it is time for you to focus on what you like and leave behind what you don’t. I’m so sorry Addie. Just imagine 11 years of that.
Ah yes, a great way to create echo chambers. It's funny how if you don't like the popular thing and you have legitimate criticisms you are a "hater". Did you ever think that the reason we watch the reactions is because we like the reactor, regardless of what they are reviewing?
@@nightshade7240 ah yes, the victim card, read the comments. Popular thinking? Wow that’s weird I was told we were the minority; haters nor real DC fans have ever had legitimate criticsms about these movies, never, they just throw hate and that’s it, if you don’t like the movie that’s cool, if you didn’t resonate with it that’s cool, if you didn’t like Snyder’s universe that’s cool, if you didn’t like how something was develop that’s cool, the question is the same, BvS came out 9 year ago if you didn’t like all that, if it is so bad for you, why the hell are you here? Like why are you wasting your time or even interacting in this reactions? That specific people really need to MOVE ON, We Snyderverse fans are told every single day to move on for loving it while haters keep bringing it back just to throw shade or compare a dead universe to the new one, I’m not saying legitimate criticism is bad, I’m saying haters found her reaction again cause they did the same in the MoS reaction too to guess what? “create eco chambers” as you are saying, that has been their jobs for 11 years, and I’m talking about all those comments full of nonsense. Check them. How is it that comments like “I really hated this movie” is a legitimate criticism? it is an opinion but again if you hated it then why are you here? That’s the people I’m talking, haters. Like Did they even watch the reaction or just commented it, I follow some nice reactors and when they post about something I don’t like nor I’m interested I skip it. Did you ever think that’s a possibility? Or maybe just maybe they are just waiting if they react just like they did if they don’t then they hate in the comments. Anyways have a nice day and a nice year, I’m not interested in arguing with you.
@@daniellopez1843 This comment is why most people don't like Snyder fans. Fans of Batman and Superman have every right to dislike this film and comment about it just like fans of the film have every right to support it. If you don't like that then get off the internet. Opinions are just opinions so get over it.
@@obredaanps3 WE'RE CRIMINALS, ALFRED. WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN CRIMINALS, NOTHING'S CHANGED. So “ People” mostly haters actually, don’t like us for comments like mine which is completely true and I told the most reasonable thing to do when you don’t like something ? Nah, thats not why they hate us, they hate us because we don’t shut up anymore we don’t let spread false narratives that started since 2013 or even in 2016 after the hate campaign the movies received and since then the one the fandome has received since we are not letting them spread lies, or attack against us but let’s go back to the main point, why do they engage with something they don’t like? yes you have the right to, everyone has it but that doesn’t mean you have to, that’s a decision, I have decided to skip reactions of movies I’m not interested, or even comment in stuff I didn’t like, you won’t see me going around Marvel reactions throwing hate, cause I let people enjoy and I don’t have time to waste it in stuff I don’t love, as I said just MOVE ON! Go enjoy the stuff you like why focusing on commenting on something you don’t like or in bothering people with your hatred or disgust? Like don’t you get it? That’s toxic behavior the same stuff you guys keep accusing us of but just for demonstrating our love to it in a space that was practically for fans of the movies, or in general but guess who are the ones being called toxic? Yes, Us. We are always the bad ones for y’all. It is not that I don’t accept people different opinions cause I respect intelligent and assertive criticism and respectful and real opinions but some use their BS opinions as the absolute truth to just attack what they didn’t like or felt right, opinions which mostly are wrong and come from just that, an opinion based on what they didn’t like or in how it was made not because the movie was objectively bad, it is always the same rhetoric that has being going on for 11 year, well look like it is going to be 12, I have even seen the same person going in these reactions over and over commenting the same shit in every reaction people make, reactions which at end end up being positive, look like the necessity to comment something negative is because those who don’t really like different opinions of the movie from theirs are those who get angry when people expose their bullshit, and no, not all of them are coming from Superman or Batman fans I have been here since 2014 I know very well, and no, I don’t have to get over the internet haters, people in general must grow up and mature and let people enjoy what they like, it is easy as that, that narrative that we have to accept every negative comment, every lie, every stupid opinion or even attack of haters or “real DC” towards us or the SnyderVerse and remain silent because if we don’t we are the bad guys and if is just oppressive, and they don’t like it when we don’t shut up anymore. Movies are movies, some you will like some you won’t that’s okay what is not okay is to engage with what didn’t resonate with you, and keep throwing shade after 12 years, just get over it and let people enjoy it. Anyways, have an amazing year, enjoy your day. ✨ I’m not continuing this conversation.
Gotham and Metropolis are usually depicted as being on opposite ends of the Delaware Bay. Since Gotham City is always within New Jersey and Metropolis in Delaware itself. Therefore both cities are actually fairly close and can actually see each other distantly with Gotham to the North and Metropolis to the South.
No offense to anyone who loves this film, but personally, I just can’t get behind the first live-action appearance of Batman and Superman being a movie where they spend most of the time fighting and hating each other. It gives off the wrong impression that they’re always at odds in every version, which just isn’t true. Plus, with the dark tone, it made a lot of people think DC is just darker than Marvel, but that’s not the case at all. I even know someone who still thinks Superman’s this “moody and dark” character because of these films, which, honestly, kind of melted my brain, lol. People really deserved a World's Finest film, a proper team-up between Batman and Superman. Superman: The Animated Series did a much better job with this concept, showcasing the first meeting between Batman and Superman. Bruce even dates Lois for a while, making Clark jealous, which added fun dynamic to their relationship. Not to mention Joker and Harley teaming up with Lex and Mercy to take down both Batman & Superman, who both contrast each other greatly, along with their cities. Sure, you kind of get that team-up at the end of this film, but then Superman dies, and there’s just no emotional weight for me since we’d only had a single film with him. Overall, the movie feels like a bunch of comic book storylines smashed together, and none of them really work for me. This film should’ve just been an adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns, I would’ve loved that, as Zack could’ve done that story justice. Instead, we got Batman v Superman and a lackluster start to a connected universe that felt like it was failing from the very beginning. At least Justice League (2021) was good. I’m still pretty indifferent to Zack's take on these characters, I did enjoy Justice League for the most part. I just found Batman v Superman to be the weakest film in the DCEU, right alongside that Wonder Woman sequel and the first Suicide Squad.
My favorite part of the whole film is Wonder Woman getting hit by Doomsday, and she gives a cocky smirk like it's the first challenging fight she's had in centuries.
Superman v Batman Dawn of Justice. The Justice referred to is the Justice League. They introduced Wonder Woman, Flash, Aquaman and Cyclops as a set up for the next movie, Justice League. Personally, I think Wonder Woman was the best part of this movie and I can't decide whether Lex or Doomsday was the worst.
It's the weakest of the Snyder-Trilogy, mostly because of Jesses's Lex Luther, but Ben has become my favorite Live-Action-Batman, because he is so close to Frank Miller's Comicversion and Gal's Entrance is just iconic.
I believe in the comics, Metropolis and Gotham City were never sister cities across the river from each other. Metropolis usually represents New York City. Gotham City usually represents Chicago. But in the movie, this was done to contrast their protectors' personalities.
32:41 The scene is not really about bonding over their Mothers same name, its about that batman realised what he is actually doing at the moment. With his last breath Superman beg's him to safe Martha, Bruce realised he is the bad guy in this Situation (Like the Robber that killed his mum). In that moment Bruce saw Clark for the first time, a boy not an evil destructive god, who doesn't want to lose his mother.
It's amazing the amount of people that think it's just because their mothers shared a name. Batman also saw that Superman wasn't begging for his own life but that of a human. Until then, he just saw him as a super powered alien that didn't have humans' best interest at heart. I really enjoy this film and think the hate is ridiculous.
This was the beginning of a trilogy. The next movie was Justice League. The third movie what is it going to be titled Justice League Darkseid. In that third movie Louis was going to die which would drive Superman insane with grief. He was going to join forces with Darkseid to bring order to the world and punish those who felt was responsible for Lois's death. That was the dream sequence you saw. Superman punishing Batman for the death of Lois Lane. Batman was a leader among the resistance against Superman's reign. The Flash was sent backwards in time to prevent it from happening.
@TheBlond49 you're comparing apples to oranges. Superman Returns is a great bookend to 1978 Superman, but the DCEU is a different beast. And the only thing that failed about the DCEU was the studio execs who didn't catch the vision; the fans love it.
@@DannyAGray SOME fans love it. But this movie (BvS), with two of the biggest names OUTSIDE of comic fans, should have been a massive hit, and it made less money than "Captain Marvel." Fans who like these films are exceptionally vocal, but that does not mean they're in the majority.
Great reaction, Addie! If you are interested in watching the rest of the DCEU, here's the roster of films: - Suicide Squad - Wonder Woman - Zack Snyder's Justice League - Aquaman - Shazam! - Birds of Prey - The Suicide Squad - Black Adam - Shazam! Fury of the Gods - The Flash - Blue Beetle - Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom
@@donnilloyd1355 I didn't say Smallville I said tv shows but technically it was a tv movie that aired Superman Doomsday (2007) back when I first watched it I know Justice League Unlimited did a doomsday plot but I don't remember if superman died or not I think they put him in the phantom zone since it was a kids show they couldn't kill on screen except for brainiac since he was a computer
@@pmh2390 again, you said TV shows and Smallville is a TV show. I know what you said. That is why I made the reply. I am not arguing with you. Just stating FACTS.
The first time I saw BvS in theaters, it was maybe halfway through when I realized, for the first time in my life, that Martha Wayne and Martha Kent had the same first name. I almost mentioned it to the person I was seeing it with, but I was too caught up in the movie itself. They do a good job setting up the "Martha moment", showing how important both women are to these heroes. They do an even better job in the Ultimate Edition.
it wasn't just the mom name, it was a trigger to that reminded him of his parents' death and that he was going to do the same thing that was done to him, i love the PTSD angle and it fits this batman like a glove, the entire movie,
Addie's seven stages of grief are all denial 😁
That’s what I was thinking while editing this one 😂 I didn’t even come close to acceptance
@@AddieCounts😂😂😂
She even added 2 stages so she could have more denial 🤣
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Just missed at 17:13, but after Bruce wakes up, you can see one last sheet of paper floating down. A mere dream or nightmare doesn't move real objects. That disturbance was caused by an actual intrusion from a possible future implanting a prescient vision in Bruce's mind.
I always thought that because the brain has so much electric activity between neurons, I feel like the speed force (having all that electricity) can affect the brain in some capacity. This was one of them. Having a doorway to the future opened in front of you taps you into it
Exactly...so why was he asleep? Just another mistake in a terrible mess of a movie.
@@Roper122 I mean, he's mortal, not a meta. He probably passed out
@@rdleyaugust He passed out?
Because that's a thing now.
If someone from the future turns up you pass out, and then wake up the split second they leave...
Nice try.
@@Roper122so batman isn't allowed to sleep anymore??
"There is no woman in this room, only a journalist" is a real line spoken by Marie Colvin. A war journalist who gave her life covering wars & was like a real life Lois Lane. Such a cool tribute to her.
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"If you seek his monument look around" is actually from Christopher Wren's tomb. A famous architect. Snyder's love for architecture really shows in this film with that quote & Bruce's cave & house.
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Addie that thing is Doomsday he was created to kill Superman in 1992-93 storyline.
Krypton did not create Doomsday to kill Superman, he was created and then banished long before Superman was even born.
@@johnmonk66yeah people forget that lex created another doomsday I mean Superman/doomsday even shows this
@@johnmonk66Not to mention it's also inspired by Superman birthright by it being Lex Luthor Jr doing all this
That thing is not Doomsday, that's a cavetroll poorly adapted by the hack.
@johnmonk66 the writers created Doomsday to kill Superman. In the lore, Doomsday was created by the alien scientist Bertron to be the ultimate lifeform, but his survivability tests were cruel and trained it at a genetic level to fear, hate, and desire to kill all life.
It’s a common misconception, but they don’t bond because their mothers have the same name. Batman was a moment away from ending Superman, and both of them knew it. And in his last moment, Superman begged Batman to save someone else.
And at first, it made Batman mad, because he’d built Superman up in his mind as this completely alien being, but when Lois points out that Martha is the name of Clark’s mom, Batman has a ‘My god, what have I done’ moment of clarity.
But why say "Martha"? Why not just say "save my mom"?
@LuckySmurf because in Batman’s eyes, Superman is just a dangerous alien that needs to be put down. Saying ‘save my mom’ wouldn’t have done anything. The idea that Superman even HAS a human mother is a concept Batman hasn’t even considered.
And Superman knows this. He knows how Batman feels. Batman has spent the better part of their interaction (this fight particularly) verbally dehumanizing him. Beyond that, the entire film itself has Clark feeling more and more separated from the world and feeling like an outcast. Not even an hour previously, Lex Luthor, who has a very similar view of Superman as Batman does, referred to Martha as Clark’s mother exactly twice.
•”Every boy’s special lady is his mother.”
•”But the mother of a flying demon must be a witch.”
The rest of the time he exclusively uses Martha’s name, because like Batman, he views Clark as an alien, and while he knows Clark cares enough for Martha for her to be an exploitable weakness, he doesn’t view the mortal woman as actually the ‘god’s’ mother. Batman is the same way. Clark needed to make Martha an actual named person, rather than some vague, nebulous, possibly deceptive concept of ‘my mother,’ and it probably wouldn’t have worked if Lois, another human, hadn’t shown up to spell it out for the enraged Dark Knight.
Tl;dr Batman is so far gone that Martha has to be humanized for him, and saying ‘save my mom’ would have resulted in a stabbed Superman.
No his immediate thought when Superman said that was his mother. They don't bond over it but that's exactly why he stopped.
@@LuckySmurf saying martha works better because it calls to that child that was smothered out by the existence of his "batman" persona. bruce wayne has never been a real person but a charade, a mask. bruce all but died that night in the alley and the batman was born. his whole story is the struggle of batman consuming what is left of that boy with a few like alfred continuosly bringing attention to who he was supposed to be had batman never come to be. hearing martha touched that bit of bruce left just enough to grant a moment of humanity and let him realize what he has done. people who see batman as a face value man in a mask miss how deep this moment was. batman above all is a psycological struggle of a hero....now all that aside he cant say his "mom" that would be him saying hes clark kent lol
Great reaction! You could watch Wonder Woman and aquaman next, they’re a lot of fun, but I’d watch Snyders justice league first, it’s the true sequel to BvS. Even at four hours it goes by so quickly and as it’s in segments you can def review it in two or three videos. Stay clear of the joss Whedon movie except for a hate watch , it has issues.
You need to watch Justice League next, but for full context it has to be the Snyder Cut. Yes, it's about 4 hours long, but the theatrical release version just won't give you the full vision of this entire story. If you liked this, the Snyder Cut is the perfect close to the story.
The film is conveniently divided into parts, so it can be reacted to across 2 or 3 TH-cam videos to do it justice (🙂)
Snyder Cut is the ONLY way to watch it.
She needs to watch Wonder Woman before Justice League
@@tosweet68 I suppose it would help for backstory with Themiscyra, but only to the same level she'd need to watch Aquaman before JL as well. I don't think it's totally necessary, but it's a bit helpful.
@@tosweet68Definitely.
LMFAO! All the "is he dead? is he dead?" You poor unfortunate soul, when Superman died in the comics, it was one of, if not THE biggest thing in the world at the time. All the news outlets were even covering it.
If you think this was even close to "the biggest thing in the world" while the 1992 election, the Rodney King riots, the breakup of Yugoslavia and the multinational intervention in Somalia were going on, you might be a manchild with no connection to the real world.
It was a slow news day otherwise, so it was all over the news channels. Also he was dead for a whole year...and with 4 Superman titles running, as well in tie ins, there is a whole shortbox full of JUST "Death of/Funeral For a Friend/Reign of the Supermen" issues.
@@josephwallace202You picked a bad time to get lost, friend
@@SwiftJustice you so wish you could threaten people like the characters in your favorite baby media fantasies
@@davidmeloche3563 It wasn't a whole year. It was more like 9 months and Superman was brought back about 8 months in. It was a hell of a fake out though. The Death of Superman Trilogy is still my all-time favorite Superman storyline and that's really saying something.
1:06 Just wait till she gets to ‘Justice League,’ if she watches Zack Snyder’s version 😅
Which I hope she does 🤞 😁 🤞
I kinda hope she doesn't. The Synder cut has more in it, but it makes each of the characters even worse people (which is absolutely Synder). Joss Whedon, for all his personal faults, made a much better version of Synder's movie that actually had some humor and hope in it. It still wasn't "good", but it was less bad.
Synder is good at making superhero comic panels, where they look awesome in a freeze frame image. He is absolutely horrible at story and character. He hates superheroes and it shows in everything he makes. He sees people as inherently selfish and evil. Hard to believe that and make a superhero that isn't basically a villain.
@@GumblethebearNo it doesn't. Snyder cut gave everyone a proper purpose, thematic depth and more context.
@@Gumblethebear Joss Whedon ver's story is even worse than Snyeder's lol
@@Gumblethebear "but it makes each of the characters even worse people" -- In what ways?
@@Gumblethebear L take
At this point in time Batman is already weathered and paranoid. The “Joke’s On You” suit belonged to Robin. So this is a Batman that has stopped pulling his punches on criminals.
We should've seen this.
Gee it would’ve been nice if that had been spelled out onscreen. The editing of this film was an atrocity.
@@keefriff99It was spelt out on screen. We see the Robin costume and the message from The Joker. I'm not sure how much more you would want.
@@davidmorgan6896 Most people haven’t met Robin since Batman & Robin (1997) was his last appearance in a live action film. So, a lot of folks probably wouldn’t have even noticed that suit was Robin’s, especially with the dark color grading in the film. Most of the audiences of these films aren't big DC fans like ourselves. So it's pretty easy to miss and we could've even gotten a flashback, like Under the Red Hood.
@LittleGalaxyBoy I would agree with you if you were talking about The Flash, but most people know who Robin is, even if they don't know much about him; other than his relationship to Batman. From watching reaction videos,j I see many people only watch films at a very superficial level and need to be spoonfed narrative details.
The character you didn't know is Cyborg. You will see his back story in Justice League.
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Saw this film in theatres years ago, i thought it was such a great intricate film. A whole chess game concocted by Lex Luthor until the big showdown. Beautiful film, great reaction!
Been waiting for this one. Criminally underrated masterpiece. Thank God you're watching the proper version of this movie
You should really watch "Wonder Woman" next!
Kinda next in the time line. Before the next Superman. Pretty sure you'll love it!
There is no next Superman.
💯 Wonder Women next!!!!!!!
@@joseherrera8489 Justice league I meant anything with Superman in it!
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14:20 Superman is not an Alien or a God. He is just a guy from Kansas who's doing the right thing and show people we can do so much better. even if his life is miserable.
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Addie cheering on Batman in the warehouse is my favorite things so far in 2025
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Part 2.
Here’s a little of the story, back in 2017 Snyder lost his daughter Autumn due to suicide, while he was mourning and still working to finish his project Warner Started to push changes to his movie when he already did after BvS, when he couldn’t handle the pressure and demands cause he didn’t have the energy to fight back Warner to respect his movie he decided to leave the JL post production, at the time the movie was already shot and almost finished, to sum up, to avoid rumors and bad press WB made him say he brought Joss Whedon a Marvel director, from the avengers 1, to “finish the film” then it was announced it was going under some reshoots and the fans noticed something was off and went crazy cause reshoots equals disasters, we were right, they took advantage of Snyder’s situation and ended up changing like 85% of the original movie, Eventually Snyder told us he was forced to say that he brought Whedon in when he didn’t even had a say in it, some messed up problems during the reshoots came to the light by the actors like Wonder Woman who had her career threatened by Whedon, Cyborg who claimed racist comments and that the president of WB ignored the complaints and other stuff like Affleck saying it was one of the worst experiences ever etc.
Whedon is an ass superheroes director I don't why he directs superheroes movies like that .I will always hate him for the josstice league and destroying ultron characterization in avengers 2 that character was Thanos level awesome he made him shit jokey comedian not a dangerous villain
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One of the biggest problems with this movie is that Zack Snyder was forced by WB to drop his plans for a sequel to MoS in favor of this attempt to speed load Justice League and try to catch up to Marvel.
Snyder's original plan for the sequel was for Superman to learn from the events of the first movie, and develop the code that turned him into the big blue boyscout, the beacon of hope for the world similar to what Christopher Reeve portrayed.
IMO it was a huge disservice to both Superman the character and Henry Cavill the actor that he never got to play a more straight-up, positive, mostly angst-free version of the character. Because I think he would have totally nailed something without all the darkness, and his legacy as Superman would be so much better than what this film series has made it.
@bartlebyscrivener2980 yeah, and it didn't help that audiences were already suffering from "dark and gritty" fatigue, except with Batman where that's the inherent tone anyway. That's why the MCU was doing so well, and why the only truly successful DCEU movies were Aquaman, Wonder Woman, and Shazam, they all kept a lighter overall tone for escapist fun everyone could enjoy, rather than trying to make realism that everyone could relate to, which is virtually impossible these days.
Snyder's original vision was even worse lol
@@HalJordan661 he scraped it and had something else planned where MOS2 was gonna have Supergirl and I think Brainiac
honestly, MoS was not gritty but this was and I kinda liked it. I think the tone made it more serious and not just a typical happy go lucky guy for whom daily planet writes puff piece editorials after he saves cats from trees.
"Must there be a Superman" is one of the best scenes in the franchise.
Same. It gets me emotional. Lol
I like that guy say "Maybe he's not some good or evil character. Maybe he's just a guy tryna do the right thing"
I would prefer if we have private discu-soon
@@Objective_Piece8285 It's so sad how so many hate on Snyder's Superman for being "a god" when this scene is right there directly showing the answer to his character, to who Superman is, who he always is in all of media, including the Snyderverse, given on a silver platter for all audiences.
This movie was the first Batman film I watched in theaters and the second ever that I saw. That might be why I love it
Sorry to say, Superman dies to Doomsday in every medium. It was a classic story from the '90s. There's an animated 2 movie set that covers the story pretty well. You'll love Wonder Woman and Justice League. Make sure to watch the Snyder Cut of Justice League.
yes i second this. i know 4 hours is a commitment but it is worth the watch compared to the original theatrical release.
also she may want to make sure she see the color version of zack snyders cut. thought he backa dn white one is fun for nostalga
Superman did not die fighting doomsday in the justice league animated series.
@@marvel22-mf1js No, but he has in other animated stuff.
In the comic, Bruce Wayne brought in contractors from small 3rd world countries to build the Batcave. They had no idea what city they were in. And Lucius Fox and his son build all of Batman's vehicles and gadgets.
@@theylied1776 There have been many explanations of where Bruce gets his toys.
@davidmorgan6896 okay... Other than elseworld stores, what else you got?
@theylied1776 Harold Allnut had that role in the 1990s. Lucius Fox as Batman's 'Q' is relatively recent (I think it might have been the Nolan movies that first introduced that side of him) - the character was first introduced in the late 1970s and originally he just worked the business end of Wayne Enterprises (also introduced at the end of the 1970s).
@@theylied1776 so perfect that this billionaire vigilante "hero" is abusing foreign labor lmao
@IainGibson-h9h Okay newbie, Lucius Fox has been Batman's engineer, not "Q", which is incorrect because Q means quartermaster, since 1979 that is 46 years. Lucius Fox is a mechanical, electrical, and structural engineer. He conceives and builds all of Batman's equipment.
What else you got?
I’m one of the few that really like this movie and was excited to see Snyder’s vision of the DC universe, but we really needed a Man of Steel 2 before Superman’s death. It would have just meant more.
Zack Snyder’s Justice League is the version you must watch. Truly epic. 4 hours long, but you don’t feel it.
Thank you for watching the Ultimate Edition Cut. Its the only version worth watching.
@joshg7136 then why are you here commenting?
33:48 Batman doesn t Kill
Batman at that time XDDDDDD: Oh Shit i Screwed up😨😲😨
Addie:😱👍👍👌👻🤣XD
3:10 He's always Batman. It's just that sometimes he has to throw on his Bruce Wayne disguise.
I would prefer if we have private discu-soon
I would prefer if we have private discu-soon
I’m so glad someone who has intellectual acuity to understand the Martha scene!!! Great reaction
Lois's death causing Superman to go evil is a nice little nod to the Injustice comics / games.
Making Gotham City and Metropolis across the river from each other was a new twist, in this movie.
In DC comics Metropolis and Gotham City were fictional versions of New York and Chicago.
In 1992 I bought 3 copies of The Death Of Superman. One for my friend one for me to read and one to keep sealed. It came in a black cellophane bag with a poster of the Justice League carrying his coffin followed by every superhero in the DC Universe and some supervillains. It also came with a cardboard black armband with the Superman logo on it.
still have mine!
1:05 - Well Addie, this movie was originally supposed to be 2 separate movies. BvS - Enter the Dark Knight. And then BvS - Dawn of Justice. These two movies was supposed to setup Justice League, that's how Zack Snyder and Chistopher Nolan envisioned it. But the studio interfered and made them changed it into 1 single movie. That's why the movie is so long. Because its a condensed script of two movies, not one.
Steppenwolf was also first meant to be the villain of Suicide Squad, which was also meant to be Snyder's film. There was a ton of studio interfering in Snyder's universe. People act like it was all his fault when already after Man of Steel he was cut out from most of the decisions.
That's a myth. It was never going to be split into two movies. That was just made up for some clickbait article, along with the "info" that Aquaman was going to be in the Suicide Squad movie. Three hours isn't really that long for a movie. "Return of the King" was that long, theatrical.
IMO as a 40+ year reader of DC a number of these movies were better than far too many gave them credit for. I'd say, see Wonder Woman next, then Justice League (Snyder cut) it's long but the theatrical release was crap. Then Suicide Squad, Aquaman, The Suicide Squad and stop. Everything else involved was complete trash.
The big scary creature that the trio fights is Doomsday who did appear in the comics debuting in the infamous “Death of Superman” storyline. The covers were iconic!
If Superman is still alive, he really needs a vacation.
The two cities are not normally across the water from each other. That’s just what they did in this movie.
I'm an old school comics fan. I geeked out during the apocalyptic (no pun intended) dream sequence. Seeing the parademons of Darkseid on the big screen is something I would never see.
If you haven't already watched it (you might be way ahead), you REALLY need to watch the SNYDER CUT of Justice League once you get to it (You need to watch Wonder Woman before Justice League, and also Aquaman, if you want it to "line up correctly" btw). It is MILES ahead of the regular cut. Regular Justice League film is pretty crap. Zack Snyders Justice League is genuinely awesome. They're miles apart.
17:22 - It's a possible future. That's why The Flash goes back in time to warn Bruce about it and hopefully prevent it from happening.
It's not possible, it's the future they were going for, confirmed in ZSJL.
"The Future has taken root in the Present".
Superman's revival in ZSJL ensured that the Knightmare future would happen regardless of what they did next. Fortunately, Barry's Flashpoint shenanigans in *The Flash* soft rebooted the film series (certain elements remain the same while while others significantly changed), unknowingly sparing everyone of that fate.
When Superman told batman *Save Martha!!* buy Batman Replied !¿Why did you say that name?! and he insisted we felt sad in that😭😭😭 scene Of The Movie or well i think some people Felt Felling but... in that bruce Has Visions with his parents and then lois lane arrive in tells bruce All Serious is that his mothers name but Batman didn t understand until he realized that the name that Lois said was Clark mother and His mother was Also called martha Wayne then batman regrets throws the Kryptonite Harpoon i hope it was sadness to the people🥺 or to you too I think You felt a Little feelings Addie...=(
When I first saw this movie, I thought it was alright but didn't hit the same as MoS. Glad the Ultimate Cut was released because it really did add some missing context to a lot of scenes and it felt far more interesting. Hope you do get around to watching the Snyder Cut of the Justice League, 4 hours seems like a lot but it is well worth it in my opinion just to wrap up this storyline.
To quote from the DCAU Justice League: Batman 'I have one power. I NEVER give up.'
A lot of people miss the second part of the title.... Batman V Superman.... Dawn of Justice. It's setting up the other movies.
44:47 Yes, that right there, Zack Snyder's Justice League is the continuation to BVS Ultimate Edition.
In 1992, DC Comics killed Superman, and he was indeed dead. He got better eventually
Lord of the rings is 3 hours and is regarded as one of the best film (trilogies) in cinema history
Hi Addie, I did a video essay on "Bruce Wayne's Psychological Arc in Batman v Superman" that particularly delves into the rich visual storytelling in this film.
I've compiled multiple of these plus more like interviews and tributes in a playlist called Why the Snyderverse is Amazing.
I honestly don't find this film all that dark. Hell, Matt Reeve's The Batman is a lot darker. But everyone's got their own perspective. For me, it's a moving examination of survivor's guilt and turning your anger towards the wrong thing.
@02:05 Ever since Frank Miller wrote his version of the origin of THE BATMAN, there have been pearls included in subsequent retellings.
@10:07 Only for this film. Traditionally; Gotham is more like Chicago in geographic placement and style, and Metropolis is more like Manhattan.
@16:04 This is a "flash forward" for what was supposed to be the third film in the Justice League series. IT WAS NEVER PRODUCED.
@17:22 The aspect ratio changes from time to time because parts of this film were shot in IMAX.
@46:44 His name is Cyborg. He was created by my friend Marv Wolfman, and George Perez.
I was just recalling that, too. Where did the pearls scattering enter the Batman origin canon? That's what I thought it was, too. Miller & Mazzuchelli's Batman Year One.
It makes a good metaphor for young Bruce's whole world instantly coming apart.
However, IRL it wouldn't happen, it's just another bit that requires our suspension of disbelief. A woman watching one of these live action depictions once told me that when a pearl neckace breaks only ONE pearl falls free, and all the others stay on the two remaining pieces of string. The makers of pearl necklaces know strings do break, and to keep the pearls from being lost, there are knots in the string between each pair of pearls... not visible because they are in small recessions in the pearls.
Oh well. The scattering pearls make for a good, dramatic metaphor anyway, even if fictional. It's comics, after all.
That was true (their locations) up to around New 52. I don't remember if that's specifically when it changed, or just before/just after it started. But now Metropolis is supposed to be Manhattan, while Gotham is Trenton or Newark, and Bludhaven (Nightwing-Adult Dick Grayson Robin) is Jersey City. But yeah, it used to be Metropolis-Chicago, Gotham-NYC.
I'm so happy you enjoyed this film!! This is one of my all-time favorite films. 👍 -OG
46:07 That suit was actually Robin’s, Joker killed in this universe, confirmed by Zack Snyder to be Dick Grayson, the first Robin. In the comics, though, it’s Jason Todd, the second Robin, who gets killed by the Joker, as depicted in A Death in the Family. I guess they didn’t want any versions of Robin showing up in this film. It would’ve been cool to see Dick Grayson as Nightwing, which is the hero he becomes after growing up and stepping out of Batman’s shadow. That’s why Jason becomes the new Robin. As a character, Robin has been greatly side-lined which is such a shame since he's so important to the development of Batman as a character and is a key character himself.
It’s a shame we never actually got to see any of this, because it could’ve really helped people understand this version of Batman more. You can’t just introduce a Batman who kills and is more jaded without fans pushing back, especially since that’s such a big shift for the character. Batman’s no-kill rule is iconic, just like Superman’s, which he broke in Man of Steel. So it's just something that needed more development.
Would be cool if they made a prequel with Affleck again as Batman and show A Death In The Family storyline. Chalamet's the right age I believe to play Dick Grayson. And maybe they could bring in whoever is the Joker in Arkham Asylum at the end of The Batman.
@@KyleCollins-ny4em What a weird idea. If they were ever going to visit the Snyderverse version with Affleck, why would they use any Joker that isn't Jared Leto? The reception of his Joker in Suicide Squad was poor but Snyder showed us a small taste of how good he could have been in his cut of JL.
The no-kill thing is really dumb, Batman kills all the time it is just that the writers never show the consequences of his actions. I mean, Keaton's Batman gleefully shoves a bomb down a henchman's pants and nobody bats an eye and still call him the best Batman. Also, I've always been curious how many people has Batman killed due to blunt-force trauma, how many have become paraplegic or are in a coma because of him?
@@DanielSSilva-616- No kill rule exist for a reason, If Batman kills then he is no better than the perosn who killed his parents.
@@TheBlond49For real? So a terrorist clown who continues to escape from an asylum to commit mass murder on a monthly basis is the same as a robber who killed the Wayne's because he was panicked? I agree that Joe Chill shouldn't be killed, but people like the Joker need to be. And if Batman fears he becomes batshit crazy (no pun intended) if he kills just one single person who without a doubt deserves it, this confirms that he's just as crazy as the Joker (seeing as how that is the explanation for the existence of the Batman Who Laughs, who is a terrible character, btw), maybe he should quit being Batman and leave the job to people of more sound mind, like Red Hood.
The pearls at the murder of Bruce Wayne's parents are from Frank Miller's interpretation of Batman-- The Dark Knight Returns and Batman Year One. All the Batman movies pay homage to the comic book work of Miller. Great video. Happy New Year.
This movie, among other stories, adapts loosely the famous storyline "The death of Superman" from the early 90´s that got a lot of coverage from the media. In that story Superman also fights an unstoppable monster of kryptonian origin called Doomsday, but it comes from a genetic experiment rather than from the corpse of General Zod. I don´t think it is a spoiler saying that Superman resurrected later in the storyline called "The resurrection of Superman".
Before jumping to the Snyder's cut of the Justice League, you need to watch Wonder Woman to get some references first. plus, that movie is amazing
Canonically, Metropolis is in Delaware, and Gotham is in New Jersey. They are across the bay from each other. In the comics there is eventually a bridge that connects the two cities. It's so long it took Nightwing 2 hours to cross it on his motorcycle.
Happy New Year, Addie! 🎆🎆
In case you're wondering why the aspect ratio is different for some scenes in the movie, then those scenes were shot with 15-perf/70mm IMAX film cameras. Sir Christopher Nolan, who was executive producer of this movie and Man of Steel (2013), used them to shoot sequences in The Dark Knight (2008), The Dark Knight Rises (2012), Interstellar (2014), Dunkirk (2017), Tenet (2020) and Oppenheimer (2023). He's going to use a next generation of IMAX film cameras on his upcoming film The Odyssey (2026) with Matt Damon, Tom Holland, Zendaya, Anne Hathaway, Lupita Nyong'o, Robert Pattinson, and Charlize Theron.
I didn't know what Nolan is up to currently, and dammnnn... Odyssey sounds gooood. I'm looking forward to that now.
Btw it's thought archeologists have found the RL Odysseus' tomb and actual remains. I'd normally such a claim is bullshit, but a docu on PBS I watched two or three months ago makes quite a strong case. His town and capitol wasn't on the island currently named Ithaka after all, but on an island immediately west of that one.
Addie: Nolan's Dunkirk is excellent.
@bartlebyscrivener2980 I've been trying to get Addie to watch Dunkirk (2017). That's one of my all-time favorite Christopher Nolan movies. She's gonna feel on edge after that one. #DunkirkForAddieCounts
29:17 Cyborg is from the cartoon Teen Titans. That would probably be the only place you would recognize him from
24:22 Yes MOVIE, not plural. The second Wonder Woman movie doesn't exist 😂
Happy new year Addie, I'm going to be going through the DCEU for the first time after buying all the movies
Addie is smart enough to see how great the Snyderverse is and appreciate it rather than find fault with it for not understanding it. Love You Addie.
New subscriber. And if you want to keep watching the DCEU, you have to watch Wonder Woman, Aquaman and then Zack Snyder's Justice League. Hugs 😚
Oh thank god it's the Ultimate Edition....
Here is a list of DC Extended Universe movies to watch (after Batman v Superman):
- David Eyre's Suicide Squad
- Wonder Woman
- Justice League by Zack Snyder
- Aquaman
- Shazam
- Birds of Prey: The Amazing Story of Harley Quinn
- Wonder Woman 1984
- James Gunn's Suicide Squad
- The Peacemaker/TV series
- Black Adam
- Shazam: Fury of the Gods
- Flash
- The Blue Beetle
- Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom
Yes!! A lot of my favorite reactors skip out on stuff like the Suicide Squad (2021), and it sucks that they decide not to watch :( Hopefully she ends up doing reactions to the entire DCEU and the DCU as well
16:52 "Superman wouldn't do this" You've thankfully been sheltered from the Evil Superman trope that took over the character for a good decade.
Injustice is amazing though.
Wouldn't say a whole decade, lol. It was mainly a video game thing.
- This is just my opinion, so you know take it with a grain of salt but, I personally would not view a Superman who decided to take revenge upon who murdered his love, Lois as "Evil". Fully justified, you Murder the partner of a near invincible individual you should fully accept that he WILL come for you and not hold back. I would do the exact same thing, and I'm not "Evil" either; Don't murder my Wife.
I don't think you know what trope means
@@GeorgeTropicana Nope, no idea, lol
33:25 FYI the Batman fight scenes are based on the popular Batman video game series.
Years ago Superman was killed by Doomsday in the comics.
Ngl Batman's fears, albeit too far, were valid and have been from comics and animations too. Superman, an alien, attracts other dangerous extraterrestrials to Earth, and for someone like him if mind-controlled can be super dangerous and unstoppable for humans to deal alone.
I love Bats and Supes being friends and having mutual respect but I always feel when it comes to humanity or him, Batman will not think twice about ending Superman.
4:05 Why would that makes sense? It's not Superman destroying the buildings and killing people. It's Zod. Blaming Superman is like blaming a plumber for fixing broken pipes that are flooding your home. It's ridiculous. The whole premise of this movie is flawed.
The idea that the world's greatest detective would blame Superman is silly.
Lex's blowing up the senator is a bad way to frame Superman too. Superman doesn't use explosives. Everyone would know that.
Lois is ridiculous to turn her back to Lex on top of a building when she was just kidnapped. Everyone in this movie is incredibly stupid.
It's called "guilt by association". How many people today blame all Muslims for what happened on 9/11? It's not about logic, it's about emotion. And yes, this movie was obviously meant to play into 9/11 paranoia. Bruce even makes a Dick Cheney reference with his "1% chance" justification.
@@PaperbackWizard That's not guilt, it's called xenophobia.
@@obredaanps3 Xenophobia and guilt by association are cousins. But whichever one it is, it's meant to set Batman up as the bad guy of the movie. It overrides his rationality (which, let's face it, is not hard to do with Batman), and necessitates him finding something in common with Superman before he can let go of his anger. And no, it's not that their mothers are both named "Martha", it's that Superman's trying to *save* his mother.
My biggest problem with this film is all the heavy lifting it attempts to do to flesh out the world. It took enough plot that could've easily been eight to ten movies and squeezed it into one. The Marvel Cinematic Universe took a decade to set up the Avengers and their fight with Thanos. In this one film we get storylines from The Dark Knight Returns (The actual fight between Bats and Supes), Flashpoint (Bruce seeing the 'vision' of Barry Allen/The Flash telling him about Lois being, 'the key'), Injustice (Evil Superman caused by Lois' death), Justice League: War (Darkseid, Steppenwolf, and the 'Mother boxes), Justice League: Rock of Ages, (Post Apocalpse Batman fighting minions of Darkseid), Batman: Death In The Family (The death of Jason Todd at the hands of The Joker), and The Death of Superman (Doomsday and Superman's death). On top of all this, we got the introduction of the entire Justice League with their cameos on Lex's hard drive. It was simply too much, too fast. If you weren't a devoted comic book fan, a lot of the time you were lost with what was happening on screen. I feel like the DCEU's problems started here and never were able to be recovered.
You say that like those whole stories were being told here. They weren't. At best, they're Easter eggs for comic book fans. This movie told its own story, its own version of events. Not everyone got lost trying to remember everything that happened in all of those stories. This movie has plenty of fans; and judging not just by Addie's video but other reactions I've seen, it's still gaining new ones. The DCEU's problem was Warner Brothers taking the movies the directors made, chopping them all to pieces, and reassembling them as grotesque Frankenstein monsters; and the monsters turned on their creators. That's why anyone who wants to watch them now should only ever watch the director's cuts of them.
I like the uncut too but only one thing i would have like like like that they kept into this one and that's at the beginning when Superman arrives it cuts to him thunderously flying down from the clouds with angelic like ahh music theme and you should go watch that it really is awe the way he appears
This is old and tired batman... He's been 20 years he's working as batman here.
He has been gone through alot, that why he's dark and gritty here
I watched this movie in a theater along with my brother and a long-time friend of mine. Afterwards, we stood in the lobby for a full half-hour dissecting the many flaws we all saw in the movie. And I enjoyed that half-hour much more than the movie.
Lawrence of Arabia is worth the length, of course.
And alienate her manchild audience?
Hey, Addie! Escorting Diane Lane's Martha from Clark's funeral was the priest who Clark consulted with before revealing himself in his Gethsemane moment in "Man of Steel" and the redheaded IHOP manager who Clark saved i the bus accident as children.
General Swanwick, played by Harry Lennix, is the government insider Lois contacts about the bullet and later reluctantly orders the nuke to fire on Supes. He was the same General from "Man of Steel". Remember this character!
Doomsday was the creature that famously killed Superman in the comics. It was a comic event so big in the '90s that the New York Times reported on it!
The Kryptonian scout ship that was used to birth Doomsday as a hybrid of human and Kryptonian DNA and which crashed in Metropolis in "Man of Steel" was the transplanted Fortress of Solitude from the Arctic excavation.
Metropolis is an analog of Chicago and Gotham is an analog of NYC traditionally. In the DCEU, they're separated by a bay and are more like the twin cities of Saint Paul and Minneapolis in Minnesota.
The Knightmare version of Batman and evil Superman is teased in this movie and was the ultimate destination of the DCEU before being terminated prematurely. The winged creatures are Parademons from Apokolips. Remember the vision Bruce had!
32:19 I don’t still understand all the hate about this scene. What matters is no coincidence that their mothers share the same first name. That name is both a shock to Bruce, reminding him of his parents' death and allowing him to understand that Clark is human and that he was wrong from the start.
Exactly, it's actually a stupid complaint because the entire reason why he is batman is because of the murders, so of course that would trigger him.
The issue that I have is when faced with immediate danger like that you wouldn’t cream your mom’s name you would scream “Mom”. I think that’s where the hate comes from. If he would’ve said “they’re going to kill my mom” it would’ve have the exact same effect as saying “they’re going to kill Martha”. More so it just makes it more believable
lmao if you don't get how stupid this was you might be legitimately brain dead
Correct, Bruce was forced to confront Clark's humanity and realized he was in fact, more human than Bruce in many ways and that after 20 years of being Batman and losing everybody he loves (except Alfred) has taken it toll on Bruce's humanity making him the killing machine he was in this movie.
why would supes use his mother's name instead of "my mother" in that moment? Bats doesn't know who "Martha" would be.
"There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead... Now, mostly dead is slightly alive. Now, all dead ... well, with all dead, there's usually only one thing that you can do...." -Miracle Max
In the 90s one of the biggest stories on comic book history was the Death of Superman. Yes, he’s dead. Your denial is cute though.
hes not dead though
@ technically he is, but as a Kryptonian his level of decay and degradation is slower. Much slower. Zack Snyder’s Justice League kind of explains this.
That made Suoerman explode in popularity, again. I stsrted reading rhe Superman books with The Death of Superman then The Superman replacement storyline that gave us Steele and 90's Superboy ( best Lex/ Supes clone, ever. Connor Kent.), the Eradicator and Cyborg Superman( great villian). Then The Return of Superman. I continued reading for 4 years, then sporatically after. Ed McGuinness ( who started on the Deapool monthly) jumping on art in 1999 made me read it monthly, again for a time.
It wasn't just a "nod to the Joker" on the Suit, that Suit was ROBIN'S SUIT, in this Universe the Joker had Murdered Robin, thats what pushed Batman over the edge to where he doesn't care about keeping most criminals alive.
Ben Affleck acted the shit out of that Martha ptsd scene. 32:29
This movie is phenomenal. Zack Snyder really said "I'm gonna show people what happens when Batman falls into the abyss that he's been staring into for so long, and then I'm going to have Superman drag him back, not by force, but by showing that he's willing to die to save others. And then, I'm going to have Superman *actually* die to save others." Yes, Superman died in this movie, and yes, he comes back in "Zack Snyder's Justice League". DC Comics tried to off Superman for good in the 90s, but they lost their nerve and brought him back, so a movie where he dies for good was never going to work. Any other superhero, maybe, but not Superman. So Zack said, "Whatever. Since he can't die for good, let's have his temporary death be as real as possible." And it was amazing. I can't wait for you to see ZSJL. (Never ever watch the theatrical version. Ever.)
Ha! 🤡
It’s a shame so little of this was built up. We really should’ve gotten a film with a Silver Age-inspired Batman, one where he’s with Robin, rocking the classic blue and grey suit, in a more hopeful, happier time for the character. Then, they could’ve shown Dick Grayson’s death and how it pushed Batman into the darker, more broken version we see in this film. On top of that, the attack on Metropolis could’ve added even more fuel to his fall years later, tying the end of the Batman film directly into Man of Steel. It would’ve made Batman’s transformation feel more earned and impactful, rather than just introducing him in Batman v Superman.
A lot of people don’t actually realize Batman has a no-kill rule, especially with how the live-action films portray him. Even Addie didn’t pick up on the fact that Batman is killing and using guns in this film. That contrast was really needed, and it would’ve been amazing to see the shift from a more traditional Batman to the one we see in this film, who’s eventually brought back by Superman.
I wouldn't call it a phenomenal movie, simply has too many problems even with this cut of the film. But I'm glad you enjoyed it.
@GreenGoblin64 Batman's "no kill rule" is much more modern than you might think. It's something that comes up in the Dark Knight trilogy and the cartoons, but it was *not* in the comics (at least, not in the comics pre-2000). That's why Tim Burton could show Batman killing people in both movies without fans going "Wait, Batman doesn't kill people! I'm never watching this grimdark stuff again!"
And why do we need to have it hammered into our heads that Batman has "changed" before the events of the movie? We get shown/told plenty of times that he's changed. Alfred scolds him for using "new rules" and branding criminals. The people of Gotham are worried about the "new kind of mean in him". Bruce himself laments that, after 20 years of fighting criminals, new ones just grow up like weeds. Zack Snyder's a much more subtle storyteller than he gets credit for; and perhaps ironically, it's the ones who complain the most about his "lack of subtlety" who have the point of the film go flying right over their heads.
01:05: "I will say, I feel it's very rare a movie actually needs to be three hours long."
That is both a strength and flaw of Zach Snyder. His movies are good. . . but he needs to take his time with getting the story out. You can't expect him to constrain himself to a tight 90-120 minutes. That languid pace allows for a certain depth and complexity, but shorter runtimes mean more showings per day, which means more money, and those who are more interested in the destination than the journey can get bored. And it's not a style of film that works for everyone, or every subject matter.
04:31: "Aw, Jimmy!"
Uh. . . yeah. . .
05:06: "You just shot Jimmy!"
Yeah. I mean, I get that Jimmy Olsen isn't the easiest character to work with, but there are things you can do with him. Making him a CIA agent. . . eh. Killing him off after a few minutes? Yeah. . . no. That's not a "fun and different" thing to do with the character.
10:03: It depends on continuity. . . and sometimes on the issue. Metropolis is *generally* considered to be in New York state and standing in for New York City, Gotham is *generally* considered to be in New Jersey, but these can change as needed for the plot.
32:12: This moment gets a lot of flak, and I agree it's not written all that well. But the point isn't that their moms have the same name, or at least, that's not the entire point. Yeah, "Martha" does trigger Bruce, which makes sense, and that stuns him long enough for Clark to say a little more, but it isn't until he learns Clark's asking Bruce to save his own mother that Bruce wakes up. Bruce had dehumanized Superman, regarding him as "an alien" and "a threat." You see it all through the fight, what he says. "You aren't brave, *MEN* are brave." But in his final moments, this "alien" pleads with the man murdering him to save someone else's life. Showing Batman that Superman is more *human* than he is. I probably would have gone with Superman just choking out "Mar-tha," which pauses Batman long enough for him to get out "Martha Kent. Lex Luthor has her. He's going to kill her. Don't let him." It would be logical, Superman needs to let Batman know exactly who is in danger, and play into Bruce's lost "Martha." As it is, I feel like they were working too hard to get the moment in, which makes it feel a little forced and narm-y.
35:27: "It's looking like it's taking some effort to fight this. . . creature-monster-thing."
Doomsday, and. . . and this is just a tragic misuse of him. Doomsday isn't exactly a compelling or interesting villain, but in context, he's perfect. Created as part of 1993's "The Death Of Superman" comic event, Doomsday was a mysterious monster with no thought beyond a mindless urge to destroy, challenging Superman on a purely physical level, and ultimately killing Superman and dying in the process (spoiler, they both got better). But, as a quote about "The Dark Age Of Comic Books" notes, "1993 is the year Superman died and Venom got his own series." This was firmly in The Dark Age of Comics, and while characters like Batman, The Punisher, and Wolverine flourished, characters like Superman, Spider-Man, and Captain America struggled, their bright optimism at odds with storytelling trends of the day. So Doomsday, this slate-gray monster covered in spikes with no motivation beyond its mindless urge to destroy, is basically the Anthropomorphic Personification of the Dark Age of Comics, and that Dark Age kills the Big Blue Boyscout to make room for daker, edgier, hipper substitutes, the "Reign of the Supermen" event that chronicled four Superman replacements. But none of them really were Superman, and the real Superman returns to show that Darker And Edgier Superman *is not Superman.* With this being only the second film this Superman has been in, we haven't built up his reputation as the Big Good, the Hope Bringer, so Doomsday can't function properly as "the Dark Age" coming to snuff him out. Superman's death just feels unearned. Yeah, DC was trying to race into a Justice League movie because Marvel had such a huge head start, and this does provide an impetus for them to gather, but. . . a movie about the death of Superman should be a *movie about the death of Superman,* not a movie, in which by the way Superman dies.
For Justice League: the theatrical cut versus Zack Snyder's Justice League is a huge difference. I would recommend watching both for the interesting compare/contrast, but definitely watch Zack Snyder's first, and if that's the only one you watch, that's fine. It does have a few problems, I feel, but it's by far the superior film. And Wonder Woman is an absolute blast, you'll really love it.
Watch the Abyss special edition
10:11 Yep. Basically New York is the backdrop for Metropolis and New Jersey doubles as Gotham.
I highly recommend The Snyder Cut of Justice League for the finale of this series. Basically, the studio didn't like a lot of the things that were done and compeltely cut them out for the theatrical version. Everything you saw while Batman was dreaming makes perfect sense watching Zack Snyder's version of Justice League.
Batman: thinks Superman's the villain after seeing the destruction he caused in his fight with Zod
also Batman: blows up half of Gotham just driving his Batmobile around
God the haters are at it again, I don’t understand why the haters are here since they hate this movie, they are the ones who have to move on !
Let people enjoy these movies in peace for God’s sake, it’s 2025 it is time for you to focus on what you like and leave behind what you don’t.
I’m so sorry Addie. Just imagine 11 years of that.
Ah yes, a great way to create echo chambers. It's funny how if you don't like the popular thing and you have legitimate criticisms you are a "hater". Did you ever think that the reason we watch the reactions is because we like the reactor, regardless of what they are reviewing?
@@nightshade7240 ah yes, the victim card, read the comments. Popular thinking? Wow that’s weird I was told we were the minority; haters nor real DC fans have ever had legitimate criticsms about these movies, never, they just throw hate and that’s it, if you don’t like the movie that’s cool, if you didn’t resonate with it that’s cool, if you didn’t like Snyder’s universe that’s cool, if you didn’t like how something was develop that’s cool, the question is the same, BvS came out 9 year ago if you didn’t like all that, if it is so bad for you, why the hell are you here? Like why are you wasting your time or even interacting in this reactions? That specific people really need to MOVE ON, We Snyderverse fans are told every single day to move on for loving it while haters keep bringing it back just to throw shade or compare a dead universe to the new one, I’m not saying legitimate criticism is bad, I’m saying haters found her reaction again cause they did the same in the MoS reaction too to guess what? “create eco chambers” as you are saying, that has been their jobs for 11 years, and I’m talking about all those comments full of nonsense. Check them. How is it that comments like “I really hated this movie” is a legitimate criticism? it is an opinion but again if you hated it then why are you here? That’s the people I’m talking, haters. Like Did they even watch the reaction or just commented it, I follow some nice reactors and when they post about something I don’t like nor I’m interested I skip it. Did you ever think that’s a possibility? Or maybe just maybe they are just waiting if they react just like they did if they don’t then they hate in the comments.
Anyways have a nice day and a nice year, I’m not interested in arguing with you.
@@daniellopez1843 This comment is why most people don't like Snyder fans. Fans of Batman and Superman have every right to dislike this film and comment about it just like fans of the film have every right to support it. If you don't like that then get off the internet. Opinions are just opinions so get over it.
@@obredaanps3 WE'RE CRIMINALS, ALFRED. WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN CRIMINALS, NOTHING'S CHANGED.
So “ People” mostly haters actually, don’t like us for comments like mine which is completely true and I told the most reasonable thing to do when you don’t like something ? Nah, thats not why they hate us, they hate us because we don’t shut up anymore we don’t let spread false narratives that started since 2013 or even in 2016 after the hate campaign the movies received and since then the one the fandome has received since we are not letting them spread lies, or attack against us but let’s go back to the main point, why do they engage with something they don’t like? yes you have the right to, everyone has it but that doesn’t mean you have to, that’s a decision, I have decided to skip reactions of movies I’m not interested, or even comment in stuff I didn’t like, you won’t see me going around Marvel reactions throwing hate, cause I let people enjoy and I don’t have time to waste it in stuff I don’t love, as I said just MOVE ON! Go enjoy the stuff you like why focusing on commenting on something you don’t like or in bothering people with your hatred or disgust? Like don’t you get it? That’s toxic behavior the same stuff you guys keep accusing us of but just for demonstrating our love to it in a space that was practically for fans of the movies, or in general but guess who are the ones being called toxic? Yes, Us. We are always the bad ones for y’all.
It is not that I don’t accept people different opinions cause I respect intelligent and assertive criticism and respectful and real opinions but some use their BS opinions as the absolute truth to just attack what they didn’t like or felt right, opinions which mostly are wrong and come from just that, an opinion based on what they didn’t like or in how it was made not because the movie was objectively bad, it is always the same rhetoric that has being going on for 11 year, well look like it is going to be 12, I have even seen the same person going in these reactions over and over commenting the same shit in every reaction people make, reactions which at end end up being positive, look like the necessity to comment something negative is because those who don’t really like different opinions of the movie from theirs are those who get angry when people expose their bullshit, and no, not all of them are coming from Superman or Batman fans I have been here since 2014 I know very well, and no, I don’t have to get over the internet haters, people in general must grow up and mature and let people enjoy what they like, it is easy as that, that narrative that we have to accept every negative comment, every lie, every stupid opinion or even attack of haters or “real DC” towards us or the SnyderVerse and remain silent because if we don’t we are the bad guys and if is just oppressive, and they don’t like it when we don’t shut up anymore. Movies are movies, some you will like some you won’t that’s okay what is not okay is to engage with what didn’t resonate with you, and keep throwing shade after 12 years, just get over it and let people enjoy it.
Anyways, have an amazing year, enjoy your day. ✨
I’m not continuing this conversation.
@@daniellopez1843 guys! Guys! You're ALL manbabies with unhealthy excessive emotional investments in picture books for little kids!
Gotham and Metropolis are usually depicted as being on opposite ends of the Delaware Bay. Since Gotham City is always within New Jersey and Metropolis in Delaware itself. Therefore both cities are actually fairly close and can actually see each other distantly with Gotham to the North and Metropolis to the South.
No offense to anyone who loves this film, but personally, I just can’t get behind the first live-action appearance of Batman and Superman being a movie where they spend most of the time fighting and hating each other. It gives off the wrong impression that they’re always at odds in every version, which just isn’t true. Plus, with the dark tone, it made a lot of people think DC is just darker than Marvel, but that’s not the case at all. I even know someone who still thinks Superman’s this “moody and dark” character because of these films, which, honestly, kind of melted my brain, lol.
People really deserved a World's Finest film, a proper team-up between Batman and Superman. Superman: The Animated Series did a much better job with this concept, showcasing the first meeting between Batman and Superman. Bruce even dates Lois for a while, making Clark jealous, which added fun dynamic to their relationship. Not to mention Joker and Harley teaming up with Lex and Mercy to take down both Batman & Superman, who both contrast each other greatly, along with their cities.
Sure, you kind of get that team-up at the end of this film, but then Superman dies, and there’s just no emotional weight for me since we’d only had a single film with him. Overall, the movie feels like a bunch of comic book storylines smashed together, and none of them really work for me. This film should’ve just been an adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns, I would’ve loved that, as Zack could’ve done that story justice. Instead, we got Batman v Superman and a lackluster start to a connected universe that felt like it was failing from the very beginning.
At least Justice League (2021) was good. I’m still pretty indifferent to Zack's take on these characters, I did enjoy Justice League for the most part. I just found Batman v Superman to be the weakest film in the DCEU, right alongside that Wonder Woman sequel and the first Suicide Squad.
7:59 Addie is smarter than 90% of DC fans. 😅
Ahah accurate this was never supposed to be THE left luthor originally.
My favorite part of the whole film is Wonder Woman getting hit by Doomsday, and she gives a cocky smirk like it's the first challenging fight she's had in centuries.
"Our battle will be legendary!"
Superman v Batman Dawn of Justice. The Justice referred to is the Justice League. They introduced Wonder Woman, Flash, Aquaman and Cyclops as a set up for the next movie, Justice League. Personally, I think Wonder Woman was the best part of this movie and I can't decide whether Lex or Doomsday was the worst.
It's the weakest of the Snyder-Trilogy, mostly because of Jesses's Lex Luther, but Ben has become my favorite Live-Action-Batman, because he is so close to Frank Miller's Comicversion and Gal's Entrance is just iconic.
Yeah, Gal's Wonder Woman appearace was so cool. "Is she with you?" "I thought she was with you." A classic moment.
I believe in the comics, Metropolis and Gotham City were never sister cities across the river from each other.
Metropolis usually represents New York City.
Gotham City usually represents Chicago.
But in the movie, this was done to contrast their protectors' personalities.
After you check out Wonder Woman you need to watch only Zack Snyder's Justice League
Ahaha, Addie is the ideal audience for the dirt-rising-tease! Literally calling out “give me hope”!
32:41 The scene is not really about bonding over their Mothers same name, its about that batman realised what he is actually doing at the moment.
With his last breath Superman beg's him to safe Martha, Bruce realised he is the bad guy in this Situation (Like the Robber that killed his mum).
In that moment Bruce saw Clark for the first time, a boy not an evil destructive god, who doesn't want to lose his mother.
"I bet your parents taught you that you mean something; that you're here for a reason..."
He says that right before the silly Martha moment.
@obredaanps3 your point?
It's amazing the amount of people that think it's just because their mothers shared a name. Batman also saw that Superman wasn't begging for his own life but that of a human. Until then, he just saw him as a super powered alien that didn't have humans' best interest at heart. I really enjoy this film and think the hate is ridiculous.
@Joker_JAK Exactly, I Think this movie is so overhated/ underraded
@@aarons1705 Funny how he keeps killing people after such realization, brilliatn directing from Hack Snyder, and you blind fanboys eat it up.
This was the beginning of a trilogy. The next movie was Justice League. The third movie what is it going to be titled Justice League Darkseid.
In that third movie Louis was going to die which would drive Superman insane with grief.
He was going to join forces with Darkseid to bring order to the world and punish those who felt was responsible for Lois's death.
That was the dream sequence you saw. Superman punishing Batman for the death of Lois Lane. Batman was a leader among the resistance against Superman's reign.
The Flash was sent backwards in time to prevent it from happening.
You should also try watching Superman Returns, starring Brandon Routhe
Much better choice than failed DCEU
traaaaaaaaaaash
@@TheBlond49 But at no fault of Cavill who carried what little was there... they did him and the man of steel dirty.
@TheBlond49 you're comparing apples to oranges. Superman Returns is a great bookend to 1978 Superman, but the DCEU is a different beast. And the only thing that failed about the DCEU was the studio execs who didn't catch the vision; the fans love it.
@@DannyAGray SOME fans love it. But this movie (BvS), with two of the biggest names OUTSIDE of comic fans, should have been a massive hit, and it made less money than "Captain Marvel." Fans who like these films are exceptionally vocal, but that does not mean they're in the majority.
Great reaction, Addie!
If you are interested in watching the rest of the DCEU, here's the roster of films:
- Suicide Squad
- Wonder Woman
- Zack Snyder's Justice League
- Aquaman
- Shazam!
- Birds of Prey
- The Suicide Squad
- Black Adam
- Shazam! Fury of the Gods
- The Flash
- Blue Beetle
- Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom
Superman always sacrifices himself to stop Doomsday in everything comics, tv shows, and movies
He doesn't in Smallville. Which is included in your TV category. Just say'in. Every other, I agree. LOL
@@donnilloyd1355 I didn't say Smallville I said tv shows but technically it was a tv movie that aired Superman Doomsday (2007) back when I first watched it I know Justice League Unlimited did a doomsday plot but I don't remember if superman died or not I think they put him in the phantom zone since it was a kids show they couldn't kill on screen except for brainiac since he was a computer
@@pmh2390 again, you said TV shows and Smallville is a TV show. I know what you said. That is why I made the reply. I am not arguing with you. Just stating FACTS.
>always
*AKSHULLY*
In Teen Titans GO Superman beats Doomsday and in another episode _Hawk Man_ beats Doomsday.
@@ShwiftJustice another TV Show. Thank you.
28:53 We do see "everyone" in this movie, that's why it's called "Dawn of Justice"...
I’ll never get over the mom name thing
The first time I saw BvS in theaters, it was maybe halfway through when I realized, for the first time in my life, that Martha Wayne and Martha Kent had the same first name. I almost mentioned it to the person I was seeing it with, but I was too caught up in the movie itself. They do a good job setting up the "Martha moment", showing how important both women are to these heroes. They do an even better job in the Ultimate Edition.
it wasn't just the mom name, it was a trigger to that reminded him of his parents' death and that he was going to do the same thing that was done to him, i love the PTSD angle and it fits this batman like a glove, the entire movie,