that was my team growing up in new york. the mets had the city. when you were on the subway you saw big posters of doc and strawberry. the magic they had was great we will always have those memories.
So many members of that team abused alcohol, tobaco, recreational and performance enhancing drugs, and the first one to pass on is the clean living Gary Carter. Life, as they say, ain't fair.
"Performance enhancing"? Ahh, cocaine and booze don't enhance your performance lol. Quite the opposite. And the Mets STILL won 108 games in 1986. Crazy.
This documentary was amazing. It's crazy how we romanticize the guys taking speed and doing blow to improve their performance but demonize the guys who juiced. It's all a product of the time period they were living in.
DP mentions no social media in 86 but also remember that there were no cell phones or cell phone cameras. Could you imagine cell phone cameras and the 86 Mets today?? Wow. But the 86 Mets are one of the best examples of cautionary tales in sports.
Indeed no social media no cell phones with cameras no 24 hour news teams & players specifically owners & GMs of teams had close relationships with the newspaper writers so if they had a story they would bury it and if u accused an athlete of anything without any tangible proof ur career was over, it really was an entirely different world back then
The 86 Mets talked trash, punched you in the mouth, and laughed at you. As a lifetime Mets fan, I am glad I had the chance to watch that team get built and go on to some exciting baseball. (Interesting how everyone remembers Doc & Darryls issues, but conveniently everyone forgets Ron Darling getting arrested for fighting in the clubs).
Cashen built that team, then tore it down. Knight’s contract wasn’t renewed, Mitchell was traded for McReynolds. The team didn’t have that fight in them like in ‘86.
Howard Johnson took over at 3rd base and he was a lot better then Ray Knight. Getting rid of mitchell, Todd Worrell, Roger McDowell, Orosco, and Nails killef the team.
As a lifelong (back then suffering) Red Sox fan the thing I most remember is throwing a chair thru my Mom’s sliding glass door after the ball went through Buckner’s legs. I was depressed for a month after the series!
As a Cardinals fan, I hated the Mets during this time, but acknowledged how good they were. The Cardinals knocked off the Mets in 85’ and again in 87’ but did not have the talent the Mets had, it did seems the Mets would win more than one Pennant.
These guys need to do their homework. Gooden was not the Mets best pitcher in '86. It was Bob Ojeda who was 18-5 with a 2.57 ERA. In '86 Gooden was already past his prime. He was still good with a 17-6 record and 2.84 ERA but as the numbers show it was Bob Ojeda who was their best pitcher. I think these guys are confusing Gooden's '86 season with his '85 season when he went 24-4 with a 1. 53 ERA. Which was his only Cy Young season and the only season he was baseball's best pitcher. He never came close to being the season's best pitcher or his '85 stats at any other point in his career. He had few more good years but none of them Cy Young award worthy.
Doc's 1985 season was the greatest single season by a pitcher since they lowered the mound in 1968. Analytics have really highlighted that season as truly unprecedented. The fact that he was only 20 years old makes it one of the most remarkable seasons in the history of baseball.
@@tubemoozful it wasn't. Doc's 85 season W.A.R. total is rated 20th all time according to Baseball Reference, which actually would put it as the best season by a pitcher since Walter Johnson. I originally thought 68 because of Gibson's 1.12, but apparently Doc's 85 season surpasses even that. Apparently, the higher mound led to ERA's being a lot lower during Gibson's time, thus making the gap between Gibson and other good pitchers of that time smaller than it was for Doc in 85.
@@boxingandbulldogs6341 I don't recognize WAR (Frank Thomas has a higher WAR than Trout) & there isn't a universal formula for it I can see why some say Gooden had the greatest - he had more shutouts than Martinez (8-4) but don't forget 2000 was during the steroid era & there's an extra hitter (DH)..Gooden would probably dominate the DH like he did everyone that season
@@BeefPapa doesn't matter - again the MAIN point: there isn't a standard formula used for it - it's highly controversial & debated - it's not a be all end all stat
Winning one title when many greats never win is still special. I guess it's a compliment to say a title team were " underachievers" how do u get rid of knight & Mitchell the very next yr
if you know anything about the TH-cam channel Game Grumps, you'll know that Dan is a Mets fan. He talked about this team and even though he was a fan and grew up cheering for them, he said they were "the biggest collection of assholes" lmfao. And they sang that song "Get Metsmerized." Funniest shit ever.
Was at game 1 and 6 in my dress blues. 2 outs no one on bottom 10th. Than little by little it happened.. Even if Buckner fields ball not sure he beats mookie to bag. Mookie was speed demon from left side. Plus it was already tjed up when mookie was up. Also boston was winning game 7 also. But mets came back again. Game 6 stadium was pandemonium.
Its tragic that straw & doc got introduced to coke on the Mets but they could have said no. Mj said all the bulls were on coke & he chose to leave the room as a rookie
i grew up in new york. the way the mets fans and the media in general talks about the 86 mets, you would have thought they went 162-0. sorry, they were SOOOO overrated. they are like the 85 bears, as everyone and their moms wax poetic on this team as if they were some kind of dynasty.
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that was my team growing up in new york. the mets had the city. when you were on the subway you saw big posters of doc and strawberry. the magic they had was great we will always have those memories.
So many members of that team abused alcohol, tobaco, recreational and performance enhancing drugs, and the first one to pass on is the clean living Gary Carter. Life, as they say, ain't fair.
"Performance enhancing"? Ahh, cocaine and booze don't enhance your performance lol. Quite the opposite. And the Mets STILL won 108 games in 1986. Crazy.
@@jackiechilds109 Do you think Dykstra wasn't using PEDs?
This documentary was amazing. It's crazy how we romanticize the guys taking speed and doing blow to improve their performance but demonize the guys who juiced. It's all a product of the time period they were living in.
DP mentions no social media in 86 but also remember that there were no cell phones or cell phone cameras. Could you imagine cell phone cameras and the 86 Mets today?? Wow. But the 86 Mets are one of the best examples of cautionary tales in sports.
Indeed no social media no cell phones with cameras no 24 hour news teams & players specifically owners & GMs of teams had close relationships with the newspaper writers so if they had a story they would bury it and if u accused an athlete of anything without any tangible proof ur career was over, it really was an entirely different world back then
That’s awesome OG stories man. Wow D pat i can listen to many more of 86. Fly in the wall
Born on Opening day of Shea 1986 to a family of huge Mets fans
The 86 Mets talked trash, punched you in the mouth, and laughed at you. As a lifetime Mets fan, I am glad I had the chance to watch that team get built and go on to some exciting baseball. (Interesting how everyone remembers Doc & Darryls issues, but conveniently everyone forgets Ron Darling getting arrested for fighting in the clubs).
Read Jeff Pearlmans book on the 86 Mets.. dope 🔥
All of Jeff's books are fantastic, this one is amazing!
Cashen built that team, then tore it down. Knight’s contract wasn’t renewed, Mitchell was traded for McReynolds. The team didn’t have that fight in them like in ‘86.
Howard Johnson took over at 3rd base and he was a lot better then Ray Knight. Getting rid of mitchell, Todd Worrell, Roger McDowell, Orosco, and Nails killef the team.
As a lifelong (back then suffering) Red Sox fan the thing I most remember is throwing a chair thru my Mom’s sliding glass door after the ball went through Buckner’s legs. I was depressed for a month after the series!
Things looked up for Sox fans after that game. 4 WS since that game in 86. The METS none.
@@hereef1 Your point being?
@@optimus2g Point being 4 WS wins for Boston since 86. Mets none. Reading is fundamental dude.
@@hereef1 No need for the snarkiness pendejo. Were you even alive back in '86?
People forget that the Red Sox were the underdog in the 1986 World Series…
As a Cardinals fan, I hated the Mets during this time, but acknowledged how good they were. The Cardinals knocked off the Mets in 85’ and again in 87’ but did not have the talent the Mets had, it did seems the Mets would win more than one Pennant.
Great team who closed the deal. Should have won in 88 as well.
Dodgers!!!
And 87 then faded away a brief reign
The dodgers came into the playoffs hot and caught the Mets slipping
That dodger team on paper was nowhere near the Mets or the A's. But that's why they play the game.
Ojeda cut his hand in a freak accident. Cost the Mets the World Series in 1988.
These guys need to do their homework. Gooden was not the Mets best pitcher in '86. It was Bob Ojeda who was 18-5 with a 2.57 ERA. In '86 Gooden was already past his prime. He was still good with a 17-6 record and 2.84 ERA but as the numbers show it was Bob Ojeda who was their best pitcher. I think these guys are confusing Gooden's '86 season with his '85 season when he went 24-4 with a 1. 53 ERA. Which was his only Cy Young season and the only season he was baseball's best pitcher.
He never came close to being the season's best pitcher or his '85 stats at any other point in his career. He had few more good years but none of them Cy Young award worthy.
Doc's 1985 season was the greatest single season by a pitcher since they lowered the mound in 1968. Analytics have really highlighted that season as truly unprecedented. The fact that he was only 20 years old makes it one of the most remarkable seasons in the history of baseball.
Pedro Martinez' season was slightly better in 2000
@@tubemoozful it wasn't. Doc's 85 season W.A.R. total is rated 20th all time according to Baseball Reference, which actually would put it as the best season by a pitcher since Walter Johnson. I originally thought 68 because of Gibson's 1.12, but apparently Doc's 85 season surpasses even that. Apparently, the higher mound led to ERA's being a lot lower during Gibson's time, thus making the gap between Gibson and other good pitchers of that time smaller than it was for Doc in 85.
@@boxingandbulldogs6341
I don't recognize WAR (Frank Thomas has a higher WAR than Trout) & there isn't a universal formula for it
I can see why some say Gooden had the greatest - he had more shutouts than Martinez (8-4) but don't forget 2000 was during the steroid era & there's an extra hitter (DH)..Gooden would probably dominate the DH like he did everyone that season
@@tubemoozful
WAR is a cumulative stat, and Thomas played more than Trout thus far.
@@BeefPapa
doesn't matter - again the MAIN point: there isn't a standard formula used for it - it's highly controversial & debated - it's not a be all end all stat
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Winning one title when many greats never win is still special. I guess it's a compliment to say a title team were " underachievers" how do u get rid of knight & Mitchell the very next yr
if you know anything about the TH-cam channel Game Grumps, you'll know that Dan is a Mets fan.
He talked about this team and even though he was a fan and grew up cheering for them, he said they were "the biggest collection of assholes" lmfao. And they sang that song "Get Metsmerized." Funniest shit ever.
They had duel closers , McDowell and Orosco both had 20+ saves
Dwight Gooden should be in the Hall of Fame.
Was at game 1 and 6 in my dress blues. 2 outs no one on bottom 10th. Than little by little it happened.. Even if Buckner fields ball not sure he beats mookie to bag. Mookie was speed demon from left side. Plus it was already tjed up when mookie was up. Also boston was winning game 7 also. But mets came back again. Game 6 stadium was pandemonium.
Its tragic that straw & doc got introduced to coke on the Mets but they could have said no. Mj said all the bulls were on coke & he chose to leave the room as a rookie
i grew up in new york. the way the mets fans and the media in general talks about the 86 mets, you would have thought they went 162-0. sorry, they were SOOOO overrated.
they are like the 85 bears, as everyone and their moms wax poetic on this team as if they were some kind of dynasty.
Overrated? They won 108 games which is STILL the NL record to this day. Not even the big red machine with Pete Rose won more.
@@jackiechilds109 They won 108 and basically took the last half a month off.