Guys....if you miss Adrian, buy a ticket to see the Power Trio and support! I saw them twice last year and both times they were tremendous. He does all the crimson hits too, those of which he originally sang on.
Man, even though I love Bruford, the direction KC took post THRAK/Bruford right here was...so great. Love the blending of electronics between Pat Mastelotto, Belew, Fripp...they really honed a heavy dark futuristic sound in 2000.
I attended this show and it had a significant impact on my perception of music (and art in general). The video is faithful to what we saw that night, but the sound is significantly better here (Olympia being a nice venue, only with so-so acoustics). I do remember that a number of people seemed to share aakoin's opinion about Pat's V-Drums sounds :-) Well, I quite like them, actually. The V-Drum, together with Trey Gunn's Warr guitar, were disctinctive elements that shaped the sonic identity of that specific Crimson incarnation. There are things from the Double Duo that I love, and others less so... But that equally is true of every Crimson outfit I've heard so far. These guys were really going for it with bravery and generosity, and for that, I'm grateful.
I was there too, and i have a record of it, the sound is pretty good, I was downstair, on the left side (mid left, in the middle of this th-cam.com/video/tHAJncjlQHM/w-d-xo.html). I like the v-drum sounds a lot, completely different from real drums but Pat is so good at using them.I still enjoy this sound.
was there, so good ! the improv just killed me at that time, and the first time i heard tcol, whaou,, too bad its not there, just before prozack blues ! i like so much adrian smiling :-)
He's an acquired taste but once you understand it just flat works. Nobody else like him IMO, Fripp the same for that matter. Really digging the new 3 drummer setup for current band. All 3 work together nicely + I'm a huge fan of Gavin Harrison and Pat is no slouch either
boboplex the live material from the current lineup is fantstic. I agree about the three drummers working together. With all due respect to Jakko, who sounds great, I wish Adrian was there.
Well, instead of what I wrote here below, I should have expressed my joy that Robert is still going ahead. He's not only spending his life selling the back catalogue of the 1970ties Crimson, but still adventures somewhere else.
Just saw Ade and his band I think in October. St. Charles IL. Even had a minute to talk with him and met his wife. Great show. He did songs from Zappa to his new album, which is quite good. "Pop Sided". Saw him 3 times with Crimson, including this here tour. Saw Adrian solo and/or with the bears, so many times, I do not know how many times any more. Have every album he ever recorded and most of the one's he's guesting on.
Ade is a unique musical treasure. I too have seen him in concert many times with various bands and have had the pleasure of talking with him (and Julie Slick) after shows. Whenever you see him in concert, whether with KC, Crimson ProjeKct, Power Trio, etc., you are 100% guaranteed to be bathed in beautiful joyous musical energy. I really hope he and Robert have one more good run together.
The idea or intention of the current lineup is no one is the star or front man. Every one is paid equally - Fripp doesn't take the lion's share. Everyone is a piece in the machine.
@vonBottorff That is just a ludicrous assertion. Why would Fripp have made him the frontman and songwriter of the band for nearly 20 years if he didn't like his writing or singing, and why would he continue to play songs from the Belew era after he was let go?
Belew added equal amounts of accessibility and grit to KC, in my opinion. But it wouldn't be Crimson if it didn't evolve/change. Maybe he doesn't need come back....?
@Izno Iznogoud They never had 3 drummers. Muir was more of a percussionist than a drummer. This current lineup is the ultimate in that they can do literally any era of the band. I have never seen Fripp this happy with any KC lineup. And guess what - it's the longest lasting lineup they ever had with plans for touring in 2020.
I absolutely love Belew era (which is for most part), but they went seperate Ways and there was no King Crimson for a while and then Robert Fripp had a vision in his dream of the exact new line-up and said that only if everyone from his dream is up for it then KC will live on. He also had the vision of that three drummers in front row set up. So it's much better to have no Belew King crimson, than no King crimson.
Bill digs this! ProzaKc Blues could've been a Tom Waits cover, from say Mule Variations. Also the V-drums and the Johnson digital amps make the sound special. Quite a lot of guitarists used Johnson amps around that time, Bill's seen Randy Bachman use it with Guess Who then. Actually, Bill think Belew's got a VERY good sound here, it's got such a "core" to it. Maybe like a distilled "Plexi" sound.
The speed that Fripp plays at. Is there anybody else that can play like that? I've seen shredding before, but I've never seen anything like what he does here & on other videos. Anybody?
Lightmane321: See 'Tosin Abasi' He makes this sound pedestrian...................on his own!!! ANIMALS AS LEADERS-THE WOVEN WEB makes this sound dull, lifeless and uninteresting. It has no energy and it's not anywhere near as cutting edge as the mythology suggests. Thank you and goodnight! PS. And before anyone starts on me I was at their Hyde Park debut in '69 (Up a tree) and at The Marquee a few days later for an absolutely stunning performance. But hey! Things move on.....................and currently Abasi has no equals. Nobody is in the same league as far as I'm concerned!
@@andythomas706 You seem to think that saying you were at the Hyde Park show (which was not their debut by the way, they had played two or three shows prior) means your opinion is sacrosanct. Pfft. I just listened to Woven Web, and while I like AAL, I don't hear a single thing that Fripp couldn't do. Next you'll be saying that AAL invented their music out of whole cloth, when you can hear the Fripp/KC influence, and Fripp and company were making these ideas manifest long before Abisi was even born. Music isn't judged by what shows you've "been at", it's judged by listening. Since you were at the Hyde Park show, I can say with confidence : turn your hearing aids up, Pops.
@@herculesrockefeller8969 Listen. No one is saying Abasi isn't influenced by Fripp/KC. No one is saying it's better or worse. What I'm saying is in my opinion Abasi has taken it somewhere else! Or, if you like, KC are by no means the only people good at working within strict time signatures. Brubeck, for example? You seem to be pissed off that I was at Hyde Park? Well, I was at The League Of Gentlemen Debut gig at Moles Club in Bath too! Interviewed Fripp for The Bath Evening Chronicle! Happy Days!
I love every era and mostly the contributions of each member at the time especially Mastelotto and Gunn here but if ever there was a way to get Belew and Bruford back with Fripp and TLev, man... now THAT would be a monumental confluence of artistry
I saw the latest Crimson incarnation at the Moore Theatre in Seattle. There is no arguing the quality of the performance and the commitment of the players, but it is true, each iteration of Crimson in the past strove to create new music that pushed the envelope. The newest iteration is not this, but a reflection of the past. Whether that makes it less valid is an ongoing source of discussion for sure.
The true & most adventurous, talented version of the Crimson King !!! What a big loss the deparure of Trey Gunn ! And how i miss Adrian Belew !!! Can You imagine Jakko playing this Lark's Tongues IV !!! He can sing all the song before 1974 for sure, but THE GUITAR !!! Adrian was the better to complete Fripp's playing... And the lonely to can do it !!! (Sorry for my pidgin english)
Кримсы в истории на долгие века, т.к .остальные музыканты в мире все время только догоняют их . И только. !!! Надеюсь, ни кто не против ? ,,Работайте, братья, "
I've been looking everywhere for the footage for TCOL, from this Paris show. Is there anywhere I can find it? It's one of the finest performances of the song I have ever heard.
How does Helen's guitar stay in tune... considering how he beats the crap out of them...by the way Back the absolute best NBR 2 Robert has ever had...just look at he brought to the Talking Heads...
what a blunder from someone who claims to know the work of KC. I better bone up on my listening and research. I thought that "jakko" was jaco pastorius. and I thought that "Classic Classics" was referring to Adrian being deceased. thanks for humbling me and thanks for the education!
Well, I was not aware at all, that Robert Fripp made a new Crimson Line-Up in 2020, going back to his relationship with Adrian Belew. While in the former Crimson Tours 2010years he was working off his catalogue prior to or excluding this collaboration. Strange.
Damn those cheap e-drum sounds. I'd like to know the reasoning behind using all electric drums and cymbals. Not to draw too much comparison, but Bruford had better e-drum sounds in the 80's. No cymbals tho. Cause they sound like... this.
aakkoin I remember the Bruford drumming video, Bruford & The Beat i think it is & Fripp said on there that the cymbals get in his way, taking all his accents, something like that anyway! I don't know if that idea was being experimented with here or not, but i was glad when The Power To Believe album had proper drums on it. Better music, songs etc also, TCOL is Crimson's poorest album to my ears.
Asymmatrix, I don't think it was for the ease of touring, King Crimson is a legendary band that could have 1000 roadies if they wanted. I think it was just an experiment with all e-drums and cymbals, but it didn't really work out in my opinion. Sounds cheap.
Gerardo McCabe There's Crimson before and after him. Hell even in the 70s Bill didn't sound that amazing until he learned a thing or two from Jamie Muir.
Crimson es siempre Crimson, claro que hay diferencias, pero hasta sin R. Ftripp es Grandiosssooo!!! King Crimson, Zappa y Vd G Genrator son y serán siempre los mejores y lejooosss!
Pat holds it during this era. It's a weird era but I love how dark and experimental it is. Sure I like Bill better, but I think this video really shows off Pat's uniqueness.
Barr Whitfield An astute comment. I once met Fripp -- the man is like an ice cube. Sure, a very talented ice cube. But ice cubes are not the best substance to induce chemistry as you noticed.
A strange comment imo. Probably the essential element for improvisation is chemistry. If musicians aren't gelling, the sensitive, almost telepathic, communication needed for improv is gone. Hardly the case here. King Crimson are known for their outstanding ability to create magisterial pieces out of thin air. Like here. Perhaps what you perceive to lack of chemistry is simply, I respectfully suggest, the impact of your own tastes and preferences.
What the fripp is "chemistry" to mean anyway? Unless you don't use it metaphorically there is no value in describing music - improvised or not - with terms like this. There are at least 5 seperate(!) subjective perspectives involved in the musical process here - the ones of the 4 musicians performing and the perspective of at least one recipient. Either you like it or you don't. It's not that complicated.
Aaaaaaahh !!!!!! (( You took away ) Certanly one of THE GREATISTS KC Performances. EVER. I Recently found out. DGM. Sold it to some New Copyright holder With a full $ 8 dollars to their name. I LOVE Billy Ray Bruford ! No, SERIOUSLY. I have been blessed to have toured, & Everything that's Before & after. & have got to free form jam W/ More than a couple of my, ( Only in a dream ) Drummers, Bass players ect. (( Hey, whatever you do... DO NOT Use T Mobile. Once they got you, You're litterly treated worse than a. HOSTAGE/ SLAVE. They SHOULD. Thank GOD I'm a generally peaceful person. Anyhow, this Video (( Which I paid FULL PRICE For. IN VHS, & DVD, I Download it on TH-cam, Only for it to disappear. & (( It's Live in Japan )) W the amazing Double trio. I've heard... Bill didn't like his reflections. In the Plexy sound baffles. I don't buy it. I've seen 0 Such reflections. & If DGM. Doesn't own it, they can't take it down. WTF ! { Someone please post a link.) It's 8000.000. TImes better 5han this.
Guys....if you miss Adrian, buy a ticket to see the Power Trio and support! I saw them twice last year and both times they were tremendous. He does all the crimson hits too, those of which he originally sang on.
I seriously could not believe that it actually was Adrien singing ProzaKc Blues at first. He can sing quite well in quite a few different styles
Man, even though I love Bruford, the direction KC took post THRAK/Bruford right here was...so great. Love the blending of electronics between Pat Mastelotto, Belew, Fripp...they really honed a heavy dark futuristic sound in 2000.
Adrian: one of the greatest musicians ever.
I attended this show and it had a significant impact on my perception of music (and art in general). The video is faithful to what we saw that night, but the sound is significantly better here (Olympia being a nice venue, only with so-so acoustics).
I do remember that a number of people seemed to share aakoin's opinion about Pat's V-Drums sounds :-) Well, I quite like them, actually. The V-Drum, together with Trey Gunn's Warr guitar, were disctinctive elements that shaped the sonic identity of that specific Crimson incarnation.
There are things from the Double Duo that I love, and others less so... But that equally is true of every Crimson outfit I've heard so far. These guys were really going for it with bravery and generosity, and for that, I'm grateful.
Cyril Brocard: Check out Tosin Abasi-The Woven Web. Then Animals As Men!
I was there too, and i have a record of it, the sound is pretty good, I was downstair, on the left side (mid left, in the middle of this th-cam.com/video/tHAJncjlQHM/w-d-xo.html). I like the v-drum sounds a lot, completely different from real drums but Pat is so good at using them.I still enjoy this sound.
Now that I'm watching this closer...so crazy seeing Adrian, Robert and Trey all trade bassline roles!
Have been hearing about King Crimson for decades. This is awesome. Thanks for posting.
How happy Belew looks while singing the lyrics of I Have a Dream is hilarious.
Cara como eu amo essa banda ❤
Man I really dig that Gun/Mastelotto rhythm section. Pat brought something different to the table with his electronics.
Absolutely, fabulous performance music. King Crimson is King
It doesn't get any better than this...
No it does not... if you have ears.
Wonderful!
Como siempre Crimson dando en la teclaaa!!! Fantastico.
THIS.. was Crimson's best line-up. I don't care what other's say, this was the height of their wildness..
I'm not sure it was the beast per se, but equally as good as the 80s lineup. Similar, yet completely different, that's why it's so good!
Agreed. This is the most technical and 'craftie' line up.
I saw them in 2001, so I will say they are my fave lineup cuz I am biased. Love all the Krimson eras though.
Man that's hard to argue with. And I'm a huge Wetton-era guy :)
I saw this tour. Incredible.
Nice! You know, I really like the current version of Crimson, but boy do I miss this quartet version.
It's stripped and raw
@@ianstewart8243 the 80s quartet were better, but at least this period has improv
Amazing! Hopefully there are more of these videos to come! Maybe from some other tours too
was there, so good ! the improv just killed me at that time, and the first time i heard tcol, whaou,, too bad its not there, just before prozack blues !
i like so much adrian smiling :-)
I saw this show , great music by great musicians, no compromise ! sound of the vid is super !
Ouaip... Bonsoir Philippe !!!!!!
Super Beautiful, great show, it gave me goosebumps. It´s good to see Pat haha.
Once you've had Belew, there's no going back.
He's an acquired taste but once you understand it just flat works. Nobody else like him IMO, Fripp the same for that matter. Really digging the new 3 drummer setup for current band. All 3 work together nicely + I'm a huge fan of Gavin Harrison and Pat is no slouch either
boboplex the live material from the current lineup is fantstic. I agree about the three drummers working together. With all due respect to Jakko, who sounds great, I wish Adrian was there.
Well, instead of what I wrote here below, I should have expressed my joy that Robert is still going ahead. He's not only spending his life selling the back catalogue of the 1970ties Crimson, but still adventures somewhere else.
Just saw Ade and his band I think in October. St. Charles IL. Even had a minute to talk with him and met his wife. Great show. He did songs from Zappa to his new album, which is quite good. "Pop Sided". Saw him 3 times with Crimson, including this here tour. Saw Adrian solo and/or with the bears, so many times, I do not know how many times any more. Have every album he ever recorded and most of the one's he's guesting on.
Ade is a unique musical treasure. I too have seen him in concert many times with various bands and have had the pleasure of talking with him (and Julie Slick) after shows. Whenever you see him in concert, whether with KC, Crimson ProjeKct, Power Trio, etc., you are 100% guaranteed to be bathed in beautiful joyous musical energy. I really hope he and Robert have one more good run together.
I was there! Excellent concert!
This is pretty great! Playing with authority and crunch. Nice.
Le Top du Top !!!! Excellentissime !!!
24:17 Fripp world domination mode
That is an epic piece of guitar
Time for Belew to return to Crimson. Yup, Jakko can sing the older material, but Adrian plays with Fripp, not behind him.
The idea or intention of the current lineup is no one is the star or front man. Every one is paid equally - Fripp doesn't take the lion's share. Everyone is a piece in the machine.
@@Ram44 it has always been that way in some way, in an interview Fripp mentions to the anarchy the way in which KC works
@vonBottorff That is just a ludicrous assertion. Why would Fripp have made him the frontman and songwriter of the band for nearly 20 years if he didn't like his writing or singing, and why would he continue to play songs from the Belew era after he was let go?
@vonBottorff you sound demented.
Adrian Belew must come back
Belew added equal amounts of accessibility and grit to KC, in my opinion. But it wouldn't be Crimson if it didn't evolve/change. Maybe he doesn't need come back....?
@Izno Iznogoud They never had 3 drummers. Muir was more of a percussionist than a drummer. This current lineup is the ultimate in that they can do literally any era of the band. I have never seen Fripp this happy with any KC lineup. And guess what - it's the longest lasting lineup they ever had with plans for touring in 2020.
I like Belew a lot but his voice belonged to a certain era.
I absolutely love Belew era (which is for most part), but they went seperate Ways and there was no King Crimson for a while and then Robert Fripp had a vision in his dream of the exact new line-up and said that only if everyone from his dream is up for it then KC will live on. He also had the vision of that three drummers in front row set up. So it's much better to have no Belew King crimson, than no King crimson.
Agree 💯%
So magic.
DUDE... that was completely INSANE
Bill digs this! ProzaKc Blues could've been a Tom Waits cover, from say Mule Variations. Also the V-drums and the Johnson digital amps make the sound special. Quite a lot of guitarists used Johnson amps around that time, Bill's seen Randy Bachman use it with Guess Who then. Actually, Bill think Belew's got a VERY good sound here, it's got such a "core" to it. Maybe like a distilled "Plexi" sound.
J'étais là ! Hihihi! Belew est un monstre ! Ça a l'air tellement facile quand il joue. Et pourtant...
jakko is great, but i miss Belew man :/
Votre musique bien que rapide n est jamais militaire elle psykedelique
not to split hairs amongst KC fans, but it's Jaco. and Belew is alive and performing. other than that, I think I see your point
@@michaelliva1790 Nope, it's Jakko. And by "miss Belew" I presume he means "as a member of KC"
the thing about depression is.............................................you mustn't let it get you down! priceless.
i love my projekcts box set !!!!!!!!!!!
The speed that Fripp plays at. Is there anybody else that can play like that?
I've seen shredding before, but I've never seen anything like what he does here & on other videos. Anybody?
I think its less about speed and more about what he plays at that speed. :D
Lightmane321: See 'Tosin Abasi' He makes this sound pedestrian...................on his own!!! ANIMALS AS LEADERS-THE WOVEN WEB makes this sound dull, lifeless and uninteresting. It has no energy and it's not anywhere near as cutting edge as the mythology suggests. Thank you and goodnight! PS. And before anyone starts on me I was at their Hyde Park debut in '69 (Up a tree) and at The Marquee a few days later for an absolutely stunning performance. But hey! Things move on.....................and currently Abasi has no equals. Nobody is in the same league as far as I'm concerned!
@@andythomas706 You seem to think that saying you were at the Hyde Park show (which was not their debut by the way, they had played two or three shows prior) means your opinion is sacrosanct. Pfft.
I just listened to Woven Web, and while I like AAL, I don't hear a single thing that Fripp couldn't do. Next you'll be saying that AAL invented their music out of whole cloth, when you can hear the Fripp/KC influence, and Fripp and company were making these ideas manifest long before Abisi was even born.
Music isn't judged by what shows you've "been at", it's judged by listening. Since you were at the Hyde Park show, I can say with confidence : turn your hearing aids up, Pops.
@@herculesrockefeller8969 Listen. No one is saying Abasi isn't influenced by Fripp/KC. No one is saying it's better or worse. What I'm saying is in my opinion Abasi has taken it somewhere else! Or, if you like, KC are by no means the only people good at working within strict time signatures. Brubeck, for example? You seem to be pissed off that I was at Hyde Park? Well, I was at The League Of Gentlemen Debut gig at Moles Club in Bath too! Interviewed Fripp for The Bath Evening Chronicle! Happy Days!
@@herculesrockefeller8969 Actually they rehearsed in Newcastle for 10 days prior to their first gig. So what?
I love every era and mostly the contributions of each member at the time especially Mastelotto and Gunn here but if ever there was a way to get Belew and Bruford back with Fripp and TLev, man... now THAT would be a monumental confluence of artistry
yeah, i got chills around 11:40 ....
Grandi!!!!! e io ero li!!!
Cuánto perdió King Crimson, con la partida de Adrián Belew.
Comparto, aunque Belew no se fué, simplemente no fue convocado por Fripp al regreso de KC en 2013, ya que este tenía en mente otra formación
That guitar solo in the beginning of Coda: I Have Dream by Adrian Belew is just emotionally "epic."
This was TRUE King Crimson. Not the current nostalgia circus ....
The nostalgia circus has still pulled off some pretty impressive renditions I'll say, but I also agree with you to a degree.
I saw the latest Crimson incarnation at the Moore Theatre in Seattle. There is no arguing the quality of the performance and the commitment of the players, but it is true, each iteration of Crimson in the past strove to create new music that pushed the envelope. The newest iteration is not this, but a reflection of the past. Whether that makes it less valid is an ongoing source of discussion for sure.
it's friday babay!
does anyone know the name of the piece that begins around here 13:28 im sure ive heard it before maybe in a projekct? very mortal kombat-esque!
That whole section seems very similar to Ghost by P4.
+Daniel Moore im not familiar with that song..is it a song? : P
It's an instrumental suite on ProjeKct 4's "West Coast Live".
cool must check that out! thanks
The true & most adventurous, talented version of the Crimson King !!! What a big loss the deparure of Trey Gunn ! And how i miss Adrian Belew !!! Can You imagine Jakko playing this Lark's Tongues IV !!! He can sing all the song before 1974 for sure, but THE GUITAR !!! Adrian was the better to complete Fripp's playing... And the lonely to can do it !!!
(Sorry for my pidgin english)
That improv part reminds me of the time Picasso got tired of established styles of art so he went off on his own painting all kinds of wild stuff.
💀..HOLEE SHEEIT..(WHEW..!!!) .Always LOVED MR BELEW..(Thee Big Electric Kitty 😺 🎸..!!)
Un-Real! AB rocks!
so nice and original sound of every elements! drums , guitars, chapman stick...
+Matthieu Sloutchansky and love how the drumer is digging the vibe at 30:15 aha
Not Chapman Stick, Is Warr Guitar
I was there
Epic!!!!
13:50 war guitar
Il n'y a pas de leader dans ce groupe de prodiges ; tout le monde est à sa place¯\_(ツ)_/¯
trey gunn 13:50 !
its beyond epic, i think its the most radical sound a guitar has ever made, blown away☺
Notice how Adrian uses his slide "upside down," much like Dave Hole.
amazing show. it does not included on Eyes Wide Open DVD, right?
Кримсы в истории на долгие века, т.к .остальные музыканты в мире все время только догоняют их . И только. !!! Надеюсь, ни кто не против ? ,,Работайте, братья, "
I've been looking everywhere for the footage for TCOL, from this Paris show. Is there anywhere I can find it? It's one of the finest performances of the song I have ever heard.
Its available entirely as the paris concert on dgm, i boght it as i ve seen it, it was my birthday that 25 june
Just audio not video
@@monj3anonymous991 Thank you, I'll check this out.
29:22
😀
Lightmane and Andy Thomas if you are going to argue please dont use King Crimson as an excuse you both have missed the point just dig the music:)
where are Levin and Bruford.....?
in 2000 they didn't play in KC
@Izno Iznogoud thanks, I wanted to know what had happened to Bill in KC after being so long in the band.
@Izno Iznogoud Bill was not dismissed. He quit.
@Izno Iznogoud And Tony Levin quit Crimson to join Seal's band
Son de verda
Oops Belew..and not Helen...geesh
How does Helen's guitar stay in tune... considering how he beats the crap out of them...by the way Back the absolute best NBR 2 Robert has ever had...just look at he brought to the Talking Heads...
what a blunder from someone who claims to know the work of KC. I better bone up on my listening and research. I thought that "jakko" was jaco pastorius. and I thought that "Classic Classics" was referring to Adrian being deceased. thanks for humbling me and thanks for the education!
Well, I was not aware at all, that Robert Fripp made a new Crimson Line-Up in 2020, going back to his relationship with Adrian Belew. While in the former Crimson Tours 2010years he was working off his catalogue prior to or excluding this collaboration. Strange.
pat shines on ROAD TO GRACELAND TOUR., tour 2003 .
i dont like his drumming 2000
Olympia theatre i guess
HELPPPPP
i detect a mild autechre influence in the improv
more likely is was that autechre's been influenced by the maestros in KC
your LIES are endless hahhaha..... who's Aotrechray anyway???
take away all the good bits of Crimson in the 70's and you end up with this ....
Wait. It just occurred to me. Why the hell would a good Kentucky boy drink Tennessee whiskey? 🤔
Damn those cheap e-drum sounds. I'd like to know the reasoning behind using all electric drums and cymbals. Not to draw too much comparison, but Bruford had better e-drum sounds in the 80's. No cymbals tho. Cause they sound like... this.
aakkoin I think it was an ease of touring thing. Seems like Bruford was the only one to ever make good use of electronic drums.
aakkoin I remember the Bruford drumming video, Bruford & The Beat i think it is & Fripp said on there that the cymbals get in his way, taking all his accents, something like that anyway! I don't know if that idea was being experimented with here or not, but i was glad when The Power To Believe album had proper drums on it. Better music, songs etc also, TCOL is Crimson's poorest album to my ears.
aakkoin - They really do sound dreadful. He might as well be hitting pots and pots.
Asymmatrix, I don't think it was for the ease of touring, King Crimson is a legendary band that could have 1000 roadies if they wanted. I think it was just an experiment with all e-drums and cymbals, but it didn't really work out in my opinion. Sounds cheap.
I agree I like Bill sounds most.
Sorry folks, no Bruford no Crimson... FLAME ON
Gerardo McCabe as much as I love Bruford, Fripp is King Crimson
Gerardo McCabe There's Crimson before and after him. Hell even in the 70s Bill didn't sound that amazing until he learned a thing or two from Jamie Muir.
Gerardo McCabe - So you are saying the original 69 band isn't King Crimson?
Crimson es siempre Crimson, claro que hay diferencias, pero hasta sin R. Ftripp es Grandiosssooo!!! King Crimson, Zappa y Vd G Genrator son y serán siempre los mejores y lejooosss!
Pat holds it during this era. It's a weird era but I love how dark and experimental it is. Sure I like Bill better, but I think this video really shows off Pat's uniqueness.
Technique 1 - Chemistry 0
Barr Whitfield An astute comment. I once met Fripp -- the man is like an ice cube. Sure, a very talented ice cube. But ice cubes are not the best substance to induce chemistry as you noticed.
A strange comment imo. Probably the essential element for improvisation is chemistry. If musicians aren't gelling, the sensitive, almost telepathic, communication needed for improv is gone. Hardly the case here. King Crimson are known for their outstanding ability to create magisterial pieces out of thin air. Like here. Perhaps what you perceive to lack of chemistry is simply, I respectfully suggest, the impact of your own tastes and preferences.
What the fripp is "chemistry" to mean anyway? Unless you don't use it metaphorically there is no value in describing music - improvised or not - with terms like this. There are at least 5 seperate(!) subjective perspectives involved in the musical process here - the ones of the 4 musicians performing and the perspective of at least one recipient. Either you like it or you don't. It's not that complicated.
@Izno Iznogoud Cute! :-) Good reply.
ProzaKc Blues is the worst song they have written
I agree ,I don't know what they're thinking when the band wrote that song
I would never have liked KC if they put out this crap in 1969.
boring
:'(
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The worst period of KC..... noise only noise
Aaaaaaahh !!!!!! (( You took away ) Certanly one of THE GREATISTS KC Performances. EVER. I Recently found out. DGM. Sold it to some New Copyright holder With a full $ 8 dollars to their name. I LOVE Billy Ray Bruford ! No, SERIOUSLY. I have been blessed to have toured, & Everything that's Before & after. & have got to free form jam W/ More than a couple of my, ( Only in a dream ) Drummers, Bass players ect. (( Hey, whatever you do... DO NOT Use T Mobile. Once they got you, You're litterly treated worse than a. HOSTAGE/ SLAVE. They SHOULD. Thank GOD I'm a generally peaceful person. Anyhow, this Video (( Which I paid FULL PRICE For. IN VHS, & DVD, I Download it on TH-cam, Only for it to disappear. & (( It's Live in Japan )) W the amazing Double trio. I've heard... Bill didn't like his reflections. In the Plexy sound baffles. I don't buy it. I've seen 0 Such reflections. & If DGM. Doesn't own it, they can't take it down. WTF ! { Someone please post a link.) It's 8000.000. TImes better 5han this.