I’m eight years late to the show but thank you for the video and all the great information. Inspiration to keep restoring my 1960 Lone Star capri runabout
Hi Michael, Thanks for the comment, and you're welcome for the info! You're not 8 years late, I just took 'er out for a drive yesterday, still running just as nice as in the video, you can't kill these...:o) Good luck with your 1960 Capri, do you also have a Javelin on it? Let me know if you'd like a free E-brochure PDF for your Johnson/Evinrude motor, I have them all. Cheers Michael!~ Bellarmine
bellarmine33 I actually don’t have an outboard for my lone Star yet. But I did just purchase a 1978 ranger Aztec 1750-v with a Johnson 115! It’s been sitting since 1996. In all honesty I have no idea what I’m doing so I need to do some more research before I try to mess with it. I’d hate to do something wrong and damage it. Any tips?
@@mik3mill3r11 Hi Michael, A Johnson 115, nice! That'd be a V4, would you know what year or model, maybe same year as the Aztec? If it's 70's V4, I have a big PDF Shop Manual that would give you all the info you'd need for the motor. As for damaging it, it's pretty hard to do that if you just check a few simple things first. Quickly, I'd inspect and change the lower unit oil, see if any evidence of water or rust. Then, if the electric starter spins over the powerhead freely, make sure you're using the proper gas/oil mix of 50:1, and then if it doesn't start go ahead with the usual checking for spark, then fuel problems etc etc. As you can imagine I have a dozen questions on it, photos would be great, history etc. It's difficult diagnosing via email, but glad to help, done it many times. Let me know if you'd like the PDF Shop Manual or any more tips on the above. If you wish you can also reach me by going to my TH-cam 'About' page, my email is there. Cheers Michael!~ Bellarmine
@@mik3mill3r11 Hi Michael, Strange, thought I turned that option on - it's supposed to be on the 'About' page under 'Details - For business inquiries (click to show).' Oh well who knows lol. Anyway, my email is simply my username without the 33, followed by ROGERS and COM. Try that and I'll get back to you. Also, 2 points forgot to mention in last post. If it's been sitting like you say I'd also take out the spark plugs and put a few tablespoons of oil in the cylinders before turning it over. Also, take off any air box/air cleaner in front of the carburetor(s) to make sure there's no 'mouse nests' waiting to be sucked in. Ask me how I know lol...:o) Talk soon Michael, cheers!~ Bellarmine
Wow! Great boat at a great price. Nice work on the motor! Sounds great. Nothing cuts the water like a vintage Johnson. I wish I had the chrome front door for mine. I'll post a better video of my boat this year.
You're welcome Bill, wow now that is what I'd call a low hour motor lol, and original owner too! I'm actually the 2nd owner, grandsons of the original purchaser made a gift of it to me when I moved, real nice of them. This one hadn't run since say 1975. I get about 105PSI in both cylinders, not too shabby guess it could stand a rehoning, goes pretty good! Let me know if you'd like any tips on what I did to restore mine, on the wiring, or a shop manual free download, be my pleasure to help anytime, helped several people in the past. Also have the 1956 Johnson brochure on my HDD, can email it to you if you wish makes for good reading. Hope you get her running, I think you will be pleased - Cheers Bill!~ Bellarmine
Thank you for the compliments, very nice of you to say so! I learned a lot from my Dad, he knows something about everything. Was real fun when me and my neighbor got it started for the 1st time, I'm sure he'd never seen it running. That sounds like a cabin cruiser you have there, that's real nice, must have a lot of memories with your grandad. Hope the repairs aren't too serious, send me a PM anytime if you'd like any tips or just to chat. Hope you get your Bell Boy back on the water soon!
Very nice motor. I used to soup them up, changing the different model parts... Higher compression heads, bigger carb, modded 2 blade brass prop. The aluminum alloy is actually better than post 1960, that is why they had to make the castings thicker. Your compression is fine btw. More important the two cylinders are equal. You can always check your rings through the intake ports, but your motor has good power and starts fast. That is such a fun motor to work on and is actually fairly light. Always smart to pick up a spare parts motor. Any big Evinrude or Johnson twin of that era will provide quick switches of parts. Fun video on a nice lake. Cheers 🍻
Thanks for the comment and the good words Didier! So you used to work on these motors too, nice you must know them well. Yes I think I get 105PSI in both cylinders, not sterling but not too shabby, and yes it always starts before I can release the key, unlike my neighbor's Yamaha 70hp triple carb. He has to crank it several times cold, still trying to figure that one out (I think lack of an old fashioned choke, has a primer thingamabob). It is fun to work on the Javelin, and yes I did mount it on the boat at dockside once all by myself (wouldn't like to do it again lol). I do have another motor like these, but not for parts, a 1961 40HP SuperSeahorse, hope to get it tuned up soon, look at my other videos. Let me know if you'd like me to email you some OEM brochures, bring back memories I'm sure, make very interesting reading, I downloaded them all. Best wishes Didier and Cheers!~ Bellarmine
@@bellarmine33 I reviewed your video. I did have a very similar motor with the closed cover and carb silencer. I tended to adapt the two piece open bottom covers, because they were so compact... No room for a starter though. That motor has very good sound control. I think I heard an exterior piece giving off a noise, maybe the carb faceplate... I believe you said you removed a high speed cut off... Was it a little vacuum switch with a single wire? That will act as a soft kill switch, it will protect your motor if the prop comes out of the water or you over Rev because of a rope or sea weed in the prop. It will only stop one cylinder from firing temporarily, it is a good idea. I threw a rod through the case on one when I caught a rope. It occurred in under two seconds. You did really good mods on that particular model. I would use a domed strainer on the airbox to get more flow. Or remove a solid cover, and even plug exhaust. I did pick up one motor with a mouse nest right in the crank case. Because of the reed valves, I believe they entered by the exhaust. Mice like oil btw. Brochure would be neat, maybe just one old pick. My favorite was the green cover. That aluminum buffs up really nicely to a chrome like finish. The boat is a nice color too, you could probably do a refinish really easily. Cheers again 👍
Hi Didier, finally getting back to you. Sure, I'd be glad to send you a brochure or two. Just send me an email to Bellarmine followed by the @ symbol, then Rogers and Com. No I left the vacuume cutout switch for runaway saftey, think I can hear it clack when I throttle down suddenly. But yes I did remove the hi-throttle starter cutout switch, because of the automotive starter solenoid I used. Guess I should get a marine solenoid then I can put the saftey switch back. I start it in gear all the time find it rather handy, I'm used to checking first. Speaking of which, that's really funny about your Dad, My own Dad actually did the same thing! He's used to the more advanced single-throttle control (still looking for one muchas denieros!), he did the same thing started in gear tied at the dock almost drove it up on the land lol! Hope to hear from you soon, good chatting Didier. cheers!~ Bellarmine
@@bellarmine33 Will do, I used to get all my vintage stuff at a dealer called St Donat Marine. They were more concerned with trying to keep up with the newer technology, so I even got free motors. I would do them favors when they were stuck. They were Bombardier but also kept old Chrysler and Merc stuff. They did boat storage and maintenance for miles around. I'll check for their contact, I'm guessing you might be in Ontario... So, not that far. Do some garage picking one day!
Thanks, the 8n is now at a new home, kicking myself to the day for letting her go. I just posted a new video of a boat I just bought. Hope to have her out in the next week or so for its maiden voyage :-) its great to see videos of the classic boats like yours.
I know this video is old but I still had to comment. When you said top of the line for the day I couldn’t help but think it’s still the top of the line for many who adore vintage equipment and keeping them running like they used to. For the money you spent and what little work you put into this setup the value is priceless and I bet the experience is just as good. Well done.
Thanks for that Josh, I deeply appreciate it! Yes, it was a real thrill getting it started for the first time in 2011, after sitting in their boathouse for over 35 years - sitting there before I was even around, how strange. I guess others just saw an old motor, whereas I saw myself water-skiing - different vision.....:o) Up till then I had only driven my little 6hp Johnson in my other videos, so yes to me the 'experience' was just fantastic. You might say the video is still 'current', as I took a cruise just last week and as always it's still running like a Swiss watch, especially after getting to replacing the lower-unit seals a couple years ago, no more leaks. Yes, top of the line for '56, and still the top motor I own....:o) Cheers Josh! Bellarmine
Thanks for that Bradford, I appreciate it! Yes, it was a real thrill getting it started for the first time in 2011, after sitting in their boathouse for over 35 years - sitting there before I was even around, how strange. I guess others just saw an old motor, whereas I saw myself waterskiing - different vision.....:o) Still running like a Swiss watch as always, especially after replacing all the lower-unit seals a couple years ago, no more leaks. I'm putting it in the lake this Sunday for another season of fun - cheers Bradford! Bellarmine
that is so exciting I have a 1956 lark evenrude but I need a pressure gas tank and to rewire I can hardly wait to see it on the water.Thanks for the idea's
Thanks! The front sticker on my HD calls for 16:1. My friend, chrysleroutboarddude, has a 1913 Evinrude and I think that calls for 8:1. Could you imagine the smoke cloud if using straight 30wt :))
I absolutely love your vintage boat to. I thought mine look very small at 15' but you have got me beat with a 14' beauty. Just beautiful colors beautiful shape the motor is absolutely classic.
Thanks for your comment and compliments Michael! Not sure what you're saying about your 15', mine is a 14' and good enough for me...:o) I'm actually the 2nd owner of this classic motor as you call it, the grandsons of the 1st owner made a gift of it to me a couple years ago, since I had helped them get it running. Just took a cruise yesterday and still runs like a Swiss watch. - Cheers!~ Bellarmine
@@bellarmine33 Enjoy that beauty.. I did edit my original comment.. darn voice recognition.. I was sitting in traffic when I saw the video... Mine is a 66 Larson... my first boat...…. just love it...
Ah yes that makes more sense...:o) Watching my movie during traffic, must be interesting I'm flattered! Yes, my old 1965 Viking is fun to drive. I looked up your Larson, nice looking boat. You have the curved plexiglass type windshield, I've noticed my square windshield seems just a tad uncommon. Wondered if a curved one like yours would be nicer, though mine is actually tempered glass, so hard to scratch lol. You should post a video of your Larson sometime, let me know and I'll be the first to watch it....:o) Cheers Michael! Robert
I really like your boat and that's one of my favorite outboards 👍 I have a 1960 Slickcraft Catalina with the same year Merc 400. Love the vintage boats! Good job keeping yours clean and going. Too many are left to rot
Glad you liked it, thanks for the comment! Yes, it's such a blast to drive, go waterskiing and everything, really unique styling. Nice boat you have too, with the same-year motor, amazing! Mine's a 1965 Viking 14footer, bit newer, I'm guessing sold by Sears. I have the original brochure for the 1956 Javelin I can email to you if you like, along with any other years you might wish to read, VERY interesting reading. Let me know - Cheers! Bellarmine
Thank you so much for your help. Today after countless hours of repairing the starter that was frozen I was able to free the bearings and basicly rebuild it. Reinstalled and checked continuity before attempting to turn the engine. It turned over fine. Got the fuel tank atached And wala it started right up. All seemed fine but wanted to restart it to adjust the mixture. It started and as I was adjusting the lean mixture It completely detonated .The lower leg gears disintergrated. I guess sometimes when something is that much of a headache its just not worth putting anymore time effort or money into it. Done...
You're welcome. My that's really too bad it disintegrated on you, sounded like you were on your way. If you don't mind, I'm sending you a PM with some thoughts.........:^) Regards, Bellarmine
Nice boat and motor. You're right about those old motors. After spending this past spring and summer in vain trying to tune up a 200 horse Evinrude with six carbs, I'm going back to the boat I grew up with: 1957 Arkansas Traveler with '57 Johnson Golden Javelin. Still runs like a champ.
Hi Frisco, thanks for the compliment. Wow, a 200horse Evinrude with 6 carbs, complication deluxe! They run great when they run, but sometimes that's not often lol. A friend told me a story about an old Volvo outboard a friend of his has, running for years and with a cracked block even. So he decides to go and buy a brand-new Volvo outboard. Upshot is, he's more often using the old cracked-block motor to tow the brand new one in to replace this or that electronic gizmo. You're right, oldies but goodies, and the older they are the better I like 'em! You've got a beautiful combo there, I really like the 1957 Golden Javelin gold and cream style. I have the original brochure for these on my hard drive, along with all other Johnson/Evinrude years from 1910 ~ 2000+. Let me know if you'd like me to email you any. Good luck getting your vintage 35HP running, if you'd like some advice sometime drop me a note. Thanks for the comment - Cheers! Bellarmine
Thanks very much for the comment WarthDader! (StarWars eh?....:^) Yes, I do enjoy driving the boat, all I had before was the lil' ole 6hp in my other videos, the 30hp is a real blast, never driven so fast before! When I'm alone in the boat I get up to 25MPH, not bad for my heavy fiberglass job, and with two light people only drops a couple MPH. I should upload some of me water-skiing, we'll see maybe this year. Thanks again!
Yes sir, I'm a fan of StarWars :-) I also own a 14 feet boat which is quite similar to yours, but it is from 1980. So you like to drive fast...just like me :-) Your video put me in a good mood, and I look forward to start the boating season.
I really liked this video. You were very informative about the engine which was interesting and was impressed by the condition of the engine! Nice job!
Thanks for the comment, glad you enjoyed the video, I had a lot of fun filming it. Right now this winter I'm giving the lower unit an overhaul, and replacing the lower crank seal (removed the power head). Hoping to have it all ready for the Spring in 2015. Wishing you a Happy New Year - Cheers!
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! It's a real blast to drive, think it goes around 25-30mph. I'm going to attach a speedo this year, and see if my estimate is right. Looked at your other vids, that's a nice Ford 8N you've got there! Great candidate for your project, looks like it drove out of a showroom.......:^) Hardly looks like it needs anything as it is, good luck with it!
I grew up in my grt Grandparents home in Coconut Grove. It was build in 1896 and originally went from Tiger Tail Avenue to the Bay including 3 acres of bay bottom. Now, the “across the street property” we called it is Monty Trainers. My grandparents loved boats and fishing and gave me small outboards starting with a 1/2 HP Evinrude. My firstnew outboard was a 1957 Evinrude 7.5! Big time! I knew Dinner Key and the Islands in front like the back of my hand. Good memories!
Thanks Howard. I looked up Coconut Grove on Google Maps, and all I can say is - Wow, and I hope you still own a bit of property there. Back then it must have been waaaay out in the boonies, sure has changed. I see the Monty Trainers seafood restaurant, and I think the Dinner Islands 1/2 mile South of that - what a great backyard you had, sort of like Flipper's family. You must have loved your first new Evinrude 7.5, quite a bit of power. My Dad had a new 1960 Johnson 5.5 when he was growing up, and I grew up on a lake in Muskoka with a 1974 Johnson 6HP he bought used off the local resort. My friends and I bombed about the lake with that until I fixed up the Javelin about 2011 - what an upgrade! Good memories too. If you look at my other videos I also have a pretty nice 1963 Johnson 40HP I need to do some work on, and a running '57 Evinrude 18 - must look just like your 7.5. Saw both of them at a scrapyard, the Evinrude was such a sorry sight all beat-up that I rescued it. Amazingly it runs good after me doing next to nothing - factory electric start too. I should upload a video I did later of it driving my boat at 20MPH, nearly as fast as the Javelin - good compression. You just can't kill these motors. Send me an email at my address below and I'll email you the 1957 Evinrude brochure - should bring you back great memories of your own 7.5HP........:o) It's my TH-cam username without the 33, then rogers and com. Wish YT hadn't removed the PM system - Cheers Howard! Bellarmine
Thanks for the comment. You're right, the boats today cost a fortune. I'm not even interested, so big and expensive. $2000 for a new 9.8HP, but repairing an antique 30HP for a couple hundred of parts is 'not worth it'? I'll never understand....:o) I have all the oldie Johnson brochures from that time on my HDD, give a shout if you'd like some. As you say, they show a much more fun, carefree and simple time. Cheers! Bellarmine
Yeah, I knew that from my Dad's 1960 Johnson OEM shop manual, learned a lot from it, motors older than 1964 use 25:1. He had a 5 1/2 CD-17 when he was younger, wishes he'd kept it. Nice little motor you've got yourself, the HD-20 cost all of $94.00 in 1941, amazing. If there's anything else you'd like to know from the manual, give me a buzz. Cheers!
Very nice old outboard and I enjoyed the sound as you toured the lake. Just a couple of safety comments, you should have a battery box, to protect the terminals from any metal contact (like the gas tank!). The second item is household wire nuts are a No No, on a boat. They come undone with vibration. You should use crimp connectors and seal them if ever using the boat in salt water. Have a great season with the old girl!
Thanks for the thoughts, much appreciated. I don't think I'll ever be on salt water with my Viking, but your advice about wire-nuts is good to keep in mind. Come to think of it I don't see them on cars either, I figure for the same reasons you mentioned! About the battery, that one went bad on me, so I picked up a couple good marine batteries (from the dump!) with top terminals, so they can't hit anything anymore lol......:^) Cheers! Bellarmine
Thanks for the comment, glad you like the movie! Yes, I use a battery to run everything, charge it one a month or so since the motor doesn't charge it by itself, yours might possibly though. The steering is using vinyl coated clothesline and pulleys. I'll send you a message shortly with some info and details if you'd like BTW I watched your video of your 3.5 Mercury, it is pretty fast!
You're welcome William, yes 24 / 1 is the correct mix from the factory for 1962. Or 25 / 1, just easier to calculate and plenty close enough - 40ml oil per 1000ml gas, I'm always mixing small amounts. You can also get into an endless debate with people on both sides who say it's not the motors that changed to 50 / 1 but the oil quality - hence any motor with full needle-bearings like these 40hp's can run on 50 / 1 modern oil, as apparently nothing changed in the motor from 1963 to 1964, just the oil. On the other hand I just don't want to burn up my powerhead for a half quart of oil, so I just run the factory mix and the debate lives on.........:o) I've also got a nice 1961 40HP Super Seahorse I'm restoring, beautiful motor, almost same as yours. If you'd like any help or tips, or a PDF brochure for your own motor just drop me a line anytime, be my pleasure. Cheers William!~ Bellarmine
@@bellarmine33 water to stick with 24:1, but with the older type oil. The pistons on these particular motors had long skirts snd you rarely saw scuffing or seizing. The clearances may have been larger. New oils are generally superior for less smoking, they do have many additives. Some will also adhere to surfaces much more. Always better to follow a known protocol with oil but these motors are tough and well cooled, they won't react like a chainsaw. More dangerous is running a cylinder too rich and melting a piston or using bad gas and getting predetonation. Cheers 🍻
Some of the small motors were 16:1 gas oil mix. My 55 Johnson 5.5 and my 55 Evinrude 7.5 are 16:1. Nice running Javelin you have. Makes me want to get an old vintage boat and restore it.
Thanks for the comment. The bulletin on fuel mixture in my Dad's shop manual is from the 1960's, so I guess they neglected to mention the older motors. Glad you enjoyed the video - Cheers!
Yup, they were officially 16 to 1, one quart of the old straight-30 'military spec' [before the SE grading system] crankcase oil to a FOUR gallon tank! But, the bigger motors had 'jeweled' bearings and WILL happily run on 50 to 1 especially with today's TC-W3 oil. If 50 to 1 on the 1960's sludge didn't kill 'em, TC-W3 sure won't!
@The56Blur You're right, they're great motors! The old stuff is just simpler, run forever. I tried looking for a chrome door, but no joy. Luckily you have the side trim & pull-start cover, which are missing on my friend's. Boy, I didn't realize they were so rare! I've got an old 1959 18hp Johnson FD-13 I'm restoring for myself. Nice classic white lines, I'll post a video of it when it's done. Thanks for the comment, you're the 1st! Glad I could be the 1st on your video too...:^)
Glad you enjoyed the video, my pleasure. Yep the gaskets worked out fine; Thanks! I checked out your channel, turns out I think I've seen a few of your uploads before.......:^) Thanks, and Cheers!
Thanks for the comment, glad it was helpful! Yeah, it is pretty exciting, especially after driving a 6hp my whole life previously lol. I know of a website where you can convert the old pressurized system to a fuel pump, those older tanks are hard to come by. I'm also helping a chap in Aussie rewire his motor too, so if you'd like a simple wiring diagram or anything Joseph, let me know. Hope you get your Evinrude gong real soon. Cheers!
Hi, sorry for the late reply. Thanks for the comment, I was looking at your other videos, you have a lot of fun with your Johnson 5.5 and Evinrude. Yes, the high-speed adjustment makes a BIG difference. On the 30hp in my other videos, after overhauling the carb it was labouring along at 5mph at full throttle, until I closed the hi-speed jet til 1/4 turn open, then it took off at 25MPH! My Dad used to have a 1960 5.5 exactly like yours, he wishes he'd kept it. Thanks for the comment - cheers!
"Thirty horsepower is a nice match for this boat." It's so crazy that today's boaters can't appreciate when enough to get the job done is appropriate. They aren't happy unless they can reach Interstate Highway speeds and then spend the rest of their lives making payments. I think you did a great job here on a fine combination.
Thanks very much for the comment Eric, I appreciate it very much! Glad you enjoyed the video, yes it may not be the fastest but it really is a blast to drive, and so easy and cheap to fix, you just can't kill these, an oldie but goodie. Just put it away again for the season last month, still running like a Swiss watch, starts up every time never let me down. Not like my Neighbor's 70HP triple-carb Yamaha, cleaned all 3 carbs and we're still trying to get it to run right - whew! I also have a nice looking 1961 Johnson 40HP in the works (see my other videos), found it at my local scrap yard (!) give me a bit more speed...;o) Let me know if you'd like any PDF brochures for these motors, my email addy should be on my About page under Business Inquiries, it'd be my pleasure. Thanks and Cheers Eric!~ Bellarmine
On your newer motor, If you use 24 to 1 oil mixture your motor it will last longer. It's up to you. I have also learned to always keep the motor tipped up, out of the water, when you are not using it. It's better for the seals, and etc. When I was a boy I learned to water-ski behind a Javalin over 50 years ago. I have all the chrome parts and a paint sample. If I win the lottery....
wow, very good setup! how did you do all the wiring ect? like electric start and steering? do you need a battery or a power source for it all to work? i have a 1973 20hp runabout similar to that and im wanting to set up steering and electric start on it all. im fairly new to the boating world! thanks
I have 1961 Evinrude 18 HP and first hour or so I run it 1:50 oil ratio. After switching to 1:24 mix it runs smoother on low speed. My previous 9.9 hp Johnson 1960 was running well too
Thanks for the comment! Yes, I just run 24:1 (or 25:1 for easier calculation....:o). Or easy no measure method from Johnson, just put a gallon of gas in the tank, then 1quart/litre of oil, and then fill it up. According to the Johnson factory shop manual, I can run 50:1 in motors newer than 1964 , like my 1974 6hp, and it seems to run dandy that way. I heard they went to 100:1 in the 80's for a short spell with oil injection - caused problems so they went back to 50:1 - good enough in my opinion. Heard a lot of people say the modern 'higher quality' oils allow you to run less oil on the older motors, but I'm not interested in burning up a vintage powerhead for $3 of oil....as someone told me, if you're that poor you shouldn't be boating lol....:o) Cheers! Bellarmine
You never had a "nine-point-nine from 1960; that was a plain ol' "ten." Your '61 Fastwin 18 can run 50:1 all day; it has full needle bearings on the mains and both ends of the rods. Remember, the TC-W3 oil we have today is a lot better lubricant than the non-detergent straight 30wt crankcase oil we used Back in the Day.
Glad you enjoyed it! Yes, that's the lake I used to live at, pretty nice, I'm now on another lake 100miles farther North, same climate but the lake is bigger woohoo. Saw your username, do you actually drive a Parisienne/Bonneville, if so lucky you, BIG car. Check out my other videos for my Blue Buick Roadmaster (A/C compressor replace), they don't make 'em like they used to do they?.....:o) Thanks for the comment, Cheers!~ Bellarmine
@@bellarmine33 Hi and thanks for the reply, I'm in Oshawa. Yep I do have a Parisienne as well as some boats/motors you can see them in my videos. I've watch a few of yours and they're cool. Hope you're having a good day! -John
I've seen a few for sale on Kijiji Ontario for not bad prices, couple years ago I almost snagged a 35HP Golden Javelin for only $120, in need of a paint job but probably running. Maybe try joining the "AOMCI.org" and "forums.iboats.com" forums and ask around - they might know where one exists. I'm actually the 2nd owner of this one, the grandsons of the 1st owner made a gift of it to me a couple years ago, since I had helped them get it running. Just took a cruise yesterday and still runs like a Swiss watch. Let me know if there's anything else I can do, good luck with your search Steve - Cheers!~ Bellarmine
P.S., here are two, hope they are near you. Perhaps need tune-ups, but cosmetically in GREAT shape, which is the hard part. As you probably know, these are REAL easy to work on, so if the cosmetics are in good shape it is pretty easy to get them running, parts are cheap too (I can even give you some pointers and email you some manuals / original BROCHURES if you want...:o) Cheers Steve! www.ebay.com/itm/113727304331 www.ebay.com/itm/352765258881
That's true, never tried it but there is room underneath my cover if you hunch down...:o) Thanks for the comment, glad you enjoyed it - Cheers!~ Bellarmine
The more I see these older motors run the more I want one.. the beginning was too tedious.. chop it out.. he he no pun..good overall video.. thanks.. I really appreciate the look and feel ion of the pressurized fuel tank.. thanks again and have fun..x😀😎
Thanks for your comment Michael. Perhaps the 1st part drags a tad - I did most of the video in one take and it's difficult to film and keep the whole 'script' in mind at the same time....:o) Let me know if you'd like help looking for one of these older gems - they can be had for a couple hundred, mostly running. If necessary maybe another hundred in parts and some work and you can have a motor that rivals a $10k one - hard to believe! I also have some manuals, and brochures for the whole Johnson / Evinrude line. Hope all your boating days are happy ones - Cheers! Bellarmine
FYI, A lot of experts say that with the modern synthetic oils you can run all engines at 50 to on1 the problem was the oil quality not the differences in the motors.
BTW, that 1050's 30 hp will run on a 50:1 fuel/oil mix without complaint or damage; the OMC's in that HP range were 'full jeweled' motors meaning they had needle bearings in the rods. Today's TC-W3 oil is far better than what was used with a 24:1 mix Back-in-the-Day when they recommended use of ordinary 30 wt. non-detergent oil - ie. cheap crankcase oil.
nice boat and motor- you probably want to put that mercury switch back on- it keeps the motor from "running away" there is another fuel ratio for old motors- 16:1 the 3, 5 1/2 and 7 1/2 motors from 1950 through at least 1960 required 16:1- they were all bushings
Thanks for the comment. I didn't know the 3, 5.5 and 7.5 HP motors used 16:1, I'll keep that in mind for the future. As for the mercury switch, actually it prevents you from cranking the motor when the throttle is too high, no big deal to me. If you're referring to the cut-out vacuum switch that shorts one cylinder when there's too much suction in the carb during a run-away, that's still in place. You can see it still mounted behind the carb silencer on the port side. I think I can hear it click now and then when I pull the throttle back suddenly lol. Glad you enjoyed the video, cheers!
It was actually $582, slight mistake on my part..:^) I talked with my Dad, and he said it'd be 2 months salary ++, based on an industrial wage back then of $3000 a year! Lot o money to spend on just an outboard. My friend's grandad, who bought it new, sure wanted top of the line, couldn't get any better. Only year for a 30hp, and 6volt system too! Next year was a 35hp 12volt, the 'Golden Javelin'. Stuck a speedo on the other day, and gets up to nearly 24mph, pretty fast. Thanks for your comment!
Hi Tomsole, It's interesting, I get quite a few questions on this, I guess my dad being an electrical engineer helps my understanding a lot lol! I'd need to know your engine model to be sure, but offhand unless you have a separate belt-driven generator, there are no charging capabilities in these older motors. About how to stop them, just hold down the electric choke switch until it shuts down, or pull the choke on the control panel. That's what I do at the beginning of the video when you see my motor shut off. If you need any help wiring up the starter, choke or adding a keyswitch to shut it down etc, send me a PM with your year, HP and/or model and I'll give you some help and details! Thanks for the comment! Bellarmine
Hello I have this engine and I was working on it today and found your video (thanks for making it btw it was vary helpful) And my throttle cut out switch (with the murcury[safetyswitch]) was sparking/smoking the adjacent throttle cable so I kind of wanted to remove it like you did. And I wanted some clarification did you keep the cutout switch wired up and just get rid of the mercury switch? Agian Thank you for posting Its videos like this that make youtube great.
Hi Kay, Thanks for your question, glad the video was helpful and thanks for the compliments! Sure, I can help you figure that out, something similar happened to me too. If you don't mind I just need to ask a few questions so I can understand what you're saying. The cutout switch (mounted beside the Carburetor) actually has nothing to do with the mercury switch (on the throttle bevel gears), so which one are you having a problem with? In case you don't know, the mercury switch prevents the electric starter from operating if the throttle is above high idle. The cutout switch keeps the engine from 'running away' after an abrupt throttle down, by shorting one cylinder to ground under very high intake vacuum. In my Javelin I left the cutout switch alone, but I completely removed the mercury switch, as it was case grounded, so I couldn't use it with the standard starter solenoid I bought . So, I have to be careful not to crank it at full throttle. Doesn't bother me, but my Dad has done that once or twice already....(!)...:o) Hope this helps, let me know by all means if you need further assistance, be my pleasure. You can contact me by looking at my "About" page, my address is there. Cheers Kay!~ Bellarmine
@@bellarmine33 Yup, I thought you had removed the vacuum switch. People really do start these things in gear at full throttle. My father did this and flipped the whole boat upside down on himself, he was playing hero and jumped into my 12 foot aluminum boat with a hopped up big twin motor to rescue some female in distress or something... The neighbors thought it was hilarious 😂 He didn't even untie the boat, lucky because it would have taken off empty across a 7 mile lake. You can't fix stupid, but OMC really loaded up on safety features 👍
Thanks for the comment Augy, it sure does run nice! It should after overhauling the ignition, carburettor, lower unit and electrical system. Starts EVERY time with no effort, unlike my neighbor's newer 1988 30HP Johnson - endless problems and $! Good luck with your new motor, they are gems once you get them running, which isn't too difficult due to the utter lack of electronic complication. Do let me know if you have any questions or need any advice, I've helped a few people in the past and it worked out nice. I even have a large electronic Johnson/Evinrude brochure collection, I can send you the 1966 one if you'd like. All the best and Cheers! Bellarmine
Wow, I'll totally take you up on the offer for the manual. The model for my Johnson is RX-14. How do I get that from you? I'm totally incompetent about motors but always wanted to learn on an small old engine. Guess I have my chance now. lol
Hi Augy, no problem, I'll be more than glad to help you out any way you need, enjoy it actually. The only problem might be if you can you deal with my generally long-winded emails lol......;o) I can email you the 1966 brochure as a PDF, and set you up with a shop manual and lots more info too. I'd ask you to send me your email address, but I noticed that TH-cam has removed the entire Private Messaging system (duuh)!! Instead of putting our addresses on here, you can reach me after simply looking at this small PNG picture: s25.postimg.org/41jj00qpb/bell.png Talk soon Augy, cheers! Bellarmine
Hello again Augy, I"m wondering if you were still interested in a brochure for your 1966 Johnson 33HP? I'd love to email the PDF to you, but I don't know how we can share our email addresses without putting them on this public comment board. Perhaps I should have explained, the link below is simply a .PNG picture / screenshot of my email address, to prevent spambots. If you email at the address shown in the image I'll get right back to you. Hope to hear from you soon, Cheers! Bellarmine s25.postimg.org/41jj00qpb/bell.png
Hi John, Thanks for the comment. For 6 US Gallons of gas, add 1 quart of oil for a 24:1 mix, or 1/2 a quart of oil for a 50:1 mix. If the motor is a 1964 model or newer, use 50:1. Not sure what you mean about the "TIA" and "JEE". See here for some fuel mixing info, and a whole bunch of other info as well (scroll down a third of the way to "Recommended Fuel / Oil Mix"): www.leeroysramblings.com/OMC_6hp.htm Cheers!
yeah thanks for that! hahaha yeah it is a good little set up with the 3.5hp, funny video too im pretty young and getting into boating, im going though a bigger better faster stage with boats
What a beautiful place you are a lucky man to live in such a beautiful place ilive in Louisiana and the state and its water ways have been destroyed by industry bunk auto n small eng
Thank you Joey, appreciate the comment! You're right, I am fortunate to live there. Probably don't appreciate it as much as others due to having grown up with it, but I remind myself how lucky I am. Moved farther North since I made this video, but lucky to have another quite nice place for a 2nd home. So sorry to hear about Louisiana and your waterways, things are really coming apart these days. Also the hurricane and flood you had 10 years ago and it took Bush 2 weeks to lift his finger while all you people had to deal with your flooded out homes. Many which are still living in trailer parks as we speak (!), while big business grabs their properties and puts up condos - follow the money eh?.....:o) Take care and best wishes Joey - Cheers!~ Bellarmine
Hi Chad, sorry for the late reply. Yes, the covers on these older Johnsons are unique - they're split in two halfs, front and back. First you undo two clasps at each side. Then you hinge the back half up over on top of the front half, and slide the front half off. Putting back on is the reverse. Apparently is was quite innovative at the time, as other motors had more complication to get the shrouds off, and seems nowadays is complicated yet again. Thanks for the comment, cheers!
It was called a 'clamshell' cover. Perhaps a bit more complicated than the later fiberglass ones, but it had that great rounded Art Deco styling. The Merc's right into the late 80's were terrible, with a front trim panel, then the wrap-around, then the top cover, and even then you have access issues with the supports for the top cover. The one-piece fiberglass covers on OMC's and Chryslers - and just about every other oddball make [Elgin, Scott-Attwater, etc] made a Hell of a lot more sense.
Boy, that was a big chunk of cash back then. Guess you couldn't even get a new 30hp for $5000 today even, prices have gone up so much (or has the money gone down..??) So you have one too, lucky you have the chrome, never did find out what the owners did with the chrome. So it could be all repainted for $500? I'll pass that on, something to keep in mind. Runs like a dream as you say, as another chap said, be more often using the older motors to tow the new ones in for service lol. Cheers!
Hi Matt, Thanks for the question! I really don't know exactly, I would guess my hull weighs around 300-400lbs, just a guess at the way I can heave it around on the trailer when I'm fiddling with it. The motor is about 125lbs, so with the gas tank, battery and me in it - around 650-750lbs I would guess. I have another video of when I put a vintage AirGuide speedometer in it, I get between 22-24MPH on a good day, check it out: th-cam.com/video/t9VltJ9CnAA/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/Vwz9nKnOE-c/w-d-xo.html I looked at a couple of your videos, nice boats! Do you have a little boat like in your channel banner, looks like my own 1974 Johnson 6HP in another of my videos I grew up with. Your 28HP goes like a bat, and is the 85HP in the duel a V4? Personally I like the 40HP setup better, nicer looking boat...:o) Let me know if you'd like a free PDF brochure for your motor(s), I have 'em all on my HDD, if interested just shoot me a mail at my address on my 'about' page. Cheers Matt!~ Bellarmine
Hi Dan, the difference (in 1956) between the RDE-18 and RJE-18 is in the chrome door concealing the controls and chrome wings, cover for the pull start handle, standard 6v electric starting, and $30 more ($582). In 1957 they had the Golden Javelin, which was the same motor but 35HP now in gold and white with new 12v electric starting, while the rest of the fleet retained the maroon-white paint until 1959 when they went to all white. Hope that answers your question Dan, let me know if you'd like me to send you any brochures they make for very interesting reading. Also see this link below for an original ad that answers your question. Cheers!~ Bellarmine www.datazap.net/sites/3for3get3/38966.JPG
@@bellarmine33 Thank you very much. I grew up with Johnsons like this. I would very much be interested in brochures or any info or history of Johnson or OMC. Evinrude, too! It is heartbreaking that OMC failed. What a great company.
@@dansmusic5749 Hi Dan, I've grown up with Johnsons too, still have my 1st motor little Johnson 1976 6HP. It is a shame what happened to OMC, we still use our Pioneer FarmSaw for our firewood, indestructible heavy duty saw. Sure, I'd love to send you some brochures, be my pleasure. I have Johnson and Evinrude brochures on my hard drive from around 1905 to ~1990's or so and everything in between. Send me an email at my email address on my TH-cam About page, should be under 'Business Inquiries'. Otherwise it is my TH-cam username Bellarmine (without the 33), followed by ROGERS and COM. Talk to you soon, Cheers Dan!~ Bellarmine
@@bellarmine33 That is a generous offer. I currently do not own a boat and motor and I don't have the cabin anymore. But I love OMC and have many fond memories of them. I love history and I like to know how each year of the motors looked like, so that's why I wrote I wanted brochures. I probably can find what I want on the net. But I very much appreciate the offer. Enjoy your summer. Dan
@@dansmusic5749 No problem, great chatting with you too Dan. Let me know if you change your mind, if I wasn't clear I meant e-mail, not mail...:o) I've e-mailed PDF brochures to quite a few people over the years, they all love them. There is a website where I got them all from, I can find it for you, but it is hard and awkward to download them. I got them all, then make them into slick PDF files and email them to anyone. The year by year changes are interesting, learn a lot. I'll be getting the Javelin out next month, still driving like in the video. Enjoy your Summer too Dan, best wishes and Cheers!~ Bellarmine
+Richard Degen Thanks for your comments! It really is a blast to drive! I just finished redoing the whole lower unit in July with new seals, been back on the lake this Summer and it runs like a Swiss watch - low idle to wide open throttle. Real nice motor you have there yourself, red and white colored, more white than mine. I believe the RDE-19 would be a 1957, as mine is RJE-18 and 1956. You can put a generator on it too; the carb and fuel filter on mine is in the way, so the generator won't fit. Yours is the first year for the charging system. I've found brochures for all these old motors, send me your email or a PM if you want a copy, and I'll email it to you. As for my Tach, it's from a MercCruiser V6, so it doesn't register quite right the way I've hooked it up. I've got one cylinder going into it, so that would be 1 pulse per revolution. It's expecting 3 pulses per revolution (4-stroke V6), so it displays 1/3 of the RPM. I think a Snowmobile tach would work, it will display 1/2 the RPM when hooked up to 1 cylinder. To hook up both cylinders I think you would need a couple diodes. Just a thoery as of yet, when I get a snowmobile Tach soon I'll try it out and let you know. Otherwise just go to any junkyard and scrounge the boat hulls for a tach, making sure it is an Outboard hull and not an Inboard. If you're lucky you'll find one that was on an OMC engine and should display properly hooked up to 1 cylinder. I have lots of ideas, and am pretty good at wiring if I do say so myself. Anything else or if you want any wiring details let me know Richard. Cheers! Bellarmine
+bellarmine33 Thanks for your reply, I am happy with the 35 sea horse, am in the process of adding an electric fuel pump at the tanks, a long run of hose and weak fuel pump on the motor is causing fuel starvation problems....
You can use any tach that can be set for one pulse per revolution, as mentioned above. Your motor has two separate magneto systems but the tach will be connected to one set of points and will sense a pulse every time that set of breaker points triggers its coil, which of course it does every revolution since it's a 2-stroke.
Hell, in the 80's I had an old Glasspar with an 18 gallon tank at the bow and my 1982 Evinrude 70 had no problem drawing fuel from that supply though a 3/8's copper line.
Yep, the Airguide tach will work. You will have ONE pulse, from one magneto, per revolution. To 'kill' the motor they connected both points together; since ONE set is always closed that keeps either coil from being triggered by a 'breaking' set of points.
You're welcome for the tips Dan, glad my video was helpful. I checked out your channel - NICE boat and motor, GREAT job. You have two Javelins, is one the Golden Javelin? I should spend a bit on paint and polish, seems that is where the money is lol. Let me know if you'd like a free brochure for your motor, I can send you my email address and email it to you, makes for great reading. Thanks for the comment Dan - Cheers!~ Bellarmine
Hi Ken, Sure, the Javelin was THE biggest Johnson money could buy in 1956 - all $582 of it (lot of money!). My Dad says Mercury had 40HP motors at the time, they were always considered more sporty. I just checked out my Dad's OEM Johnson shop manual with model price list, should scan that section in. If you're interested, here's a bit of trivia I've learned over the years on this important time in Johnson history: 1955: last of the long-running 25 HP and Green paint. 1956: 30HP ($462), Red White paint, introduced 30HP Javelin with standard 6V Electric Start ($582) 1957: 35HP ($495), Javelin only became Gold White paint (Golden Javelin), 12V electric start ($625) 1958: 35HP, and introduction of the first Marine V4 outboard, 50HP ($840) 1959: 35HP/50HP, Red/White/Gold became new ALL White Fleet 'Dynautical Design' with fibreglass hoods 1960: 40HP ($640) and V4 75HP ($895), pressurized fuel system replaced with single line fuel pumps 1961: My own SuperSeahorse 40HP project in my other videos ($645), nice looker 1962: Introduced a mid-range 28HP ($495), first Johnson over a thousand V4 75HP ($1,065) 1963: HP and prices unchanged form '62 1964: 40HP ($665) and V4 75HP and 90HP ($1,175) Check out this period 1956 ad with price list, says it all: www.datazap.net/sites/3for3get3/38966.JPG Let me know if you'd like me to email you any of the vintage brochures for these motors, makes for VERY interesting reading. Thanks for the question Ken, Cheers!~ Bellarmine
Thanks for the comment, yes that sounds about right, that's about what I figured - 6 gallons, 2 hours at 25MPH equals 50 miles on 6 gallons. Interesting mathwork, guess no-one has figured out MPG figures for boats lol. Best wishes and Cheers!~ Bellarmine
Older 2 stroke outboards uses roughly 0.5 liters of fuel pr. hp pr. hour. So 30 hp at full throttle would use about 15 liters an hr. (just under 4 gallons)
Oh, I forgot to answer your question, yes that was $582 in USD. If you click 'Show More' in the description beneath my video, you'll find some old US brochures listing the US price back then; check 'em out!............. :^)
Thanks for sharing, I have a barn find R J E - 18 (30 hp) a gift from a very good friend, along with a 14 foot Crestliner of the same vintage, she goes 23 and change. (By Garman GPS) I use 24:1 oil mixture. I am of the belief that switching to less oil on newer motors was a corporate concession to the gods of environmental awareness, at the expense of the life of the motor. Perhaps an engineer who understands these things could tell me how "synthetic oil" factors into the 24:1 or 50:1 Oil debate. -Oree
Hi Oree, thanks for your comment! So you have the same motor, beautiful, you must be pleased! Good to know the speed, mine goes near the same with my heavy old Viking Fiberglass. I also run 24:1. Heard a lot of people say the modern 'higher quality' oils allow you to run less oil on the older motors, but I'm not interested in burning up a vintage powerhead for $3 of oil....as someone said, if you're that poor you shouldn't be boating lol....:o) I do run 50:1 in motors newer than 1964 according to the shop manual, like my 1974 6hp, seems to run dandy that way. I heard they went to 100:1 in the 80's for a short spell with oil injection - caused problems so they went back to 50:1 - good enough in my opinion. If you're interested I can email you a PDF of the ORIGINAL brochure for our 1956 motors, and any other years you might like. I found a site with them all and downloaded them - let me know. Thanks again for the comment - enjoy the Summer with your vintage Johnson Oree - Cheers! Bellarmine
Espero que Google Translate lo haga bien, ¡eres mi primer comentario en otro idioma! ....: o) Gracias por el comentario Juan, estoy de acuerdo! A muchas personas les gustan los Mercury, pero a mí me gusta mi OMC Johnson-Evinrudes. ¡Salud Juan!~ Bellarmine
I've been reading a bit, seems you can use 50-1 in these older motors if you have all needle-bearings in the power-head. I think this Javelin does have those bearings, so I'll think about it. Thanks for the link to your oil. Saw your video on disassembling your Johnson Stinger lower unit, nice big motors, so much simpler than the newer ones! I'm just finishing off resealing the lower unit and replacing the lower carbon crank seal in the Javelin, just got the last part I needed and I can reassemble the whole thing. Cheers! Bellarmine
Thanks for the comment! Yes, I'd heard that they went to 100:1 in the 80's. Do you still have the auto Oil Injection system mounted in the gas tank Eddie? I'd heard they failed a lot and trashed the power heads, and OMC recommended people go back to 50:1 premix. My Dad and I just believe in running the motor on what the manufacturer recommended, regardless of 'oil grade', which for my Javelin is 24/25:1. Later 60's motors after I think 1964 went to 50:1. Someone told me if one couldn't afford a quart of oil, you're too poor to go boating lol. Cheers Eddie!~ Bellarmine
Cooool is right Ronald, glad you liked it! Just took the boat out for the Winter yesterday, still running like a Swiss watch, as always. Thanks for the comment, Cheers!~ Bellarmine
You're right, saltwater is a whole different ballgame. My Javelin is still running as good as the video, probably last me the rest of my own lifetime, already been around a few generations..:o) I actually have a 40HP in my other videos, going to fix it up soon. Thanks for your comments Lucien - Cheers!~ Bellarmine
You're right, oldies but goodies. These can be had for a song, I'm still trying to convince my neighbor to buy a simple 1960's Johnson after they've spent a couple thousand repairing their 1988 Johnson 30HP electronic-marvel, and now it's dead again. Nothing but trouble since they bought it. Going waterskiing behind the reliable Javelin and seeing it start up EVERY time is going a long way to making an impression on them - I think I spent $300 parts, that's it. Look at my other videos for a beautiful 1961 40HP I'm going to get running soon, and a running 1957 Evinrude 18hp beater. Thanks for the comment - Cheers!
Yeah I always agree with the oldest I've got a 1945 5 horsepower Montgomery Ward Sea King I put $120 into it and it's not let me down yet I also have a 1955 Johnson seahorse and love them both of course those two moter only go on the back of this John boat me and my wife restored it's also on Montgomery Wards 1964 the date stamp on it
Thanks for the comment Dominick! I wouldn't worry about it, just took it for a 45m drive a few weeks ago. It's just machinery, gears and bearings, all in good working order, so long as I keep it in good repair and continue to use the proper oil to gas mixture (24:1), it should reasonably keep on trucking for another 50 years. Also I have it on good authority that it sat in the family's boathouse from the mid 70's until I came along in 2011, so that's a good 35 years of wear that didn't happen......:o) The older they are the better I like 'em - cheers Dominick!~ Bellarmine
Glad you enjoyed it Andrew, thanks for the comment! It's still driving as good as the video, can't believe it's been 11 years already since I got 'er running, time flies...:o) Cheers!~ Bellarmine
I’m eight years late to the show but thank you for the video and all the great information. Inspiration to keep restoring my 1960 Lone Star capri runabout
Hi Michael, Thanks for the comment, and you're welcome for the info! You're not 8 years late, I just took 'er out for a drive yesterday, still running just as nice as in the video, you can't kill these...:o) Good luck with your 1960 Capri, do you also have a Javelin on it? Let me know if you'd like a free E-brochure PDF for your Johnson/Evinrude motor, I have them all. Cheers Michael!~ Bellarmine
bellarmine33 I actually don’t have an outboard for my lone Star yet. But I did just purchase a 1978 ranger Aztec 1750-v with a Johnson 115! It’s been sitting since 1996. In all honesty I have no idea what I’m doing so I need to do some more research before I try to mess with it. I’d hate to do something wrong and damage it. Any tips?
@@mik3mill3r11 Hi Michael, A Johnson 115, nice! That'd be a V4, would you know what year or model, maybe same year as the Aztec?
If it's 70's V4, I have a big PDF Shop Manual that would give you all the info you'd need for the motor. As for damaging it, it's pretty hard to do that if you just check a few simple things first. Quickly, I'd inspect and change the lower unit oil, see if any evidence of water or rust. Then, if the electric starter spins over the powerhead freely, make sure you're using the proper gas/oil mix of 50:1, and then if it doesn't start go ahead with the usual checking for spark, then fuel problems etc etc.
As you can imagine I have a dozen questions on it, photos would be great, history etc. It's difficult diagnosing via email, but glad to help, done it many times. Let me know if you'd like the PDF Shop Manual or any more tips on the above. If you wish you can also reach me by going to my TH-cam 'About' page, my email is there.
Cheers Michael!~ Bellarmine
bellarmine33 thank you I really appreciate your help. I don’t see your email address in the about section. I believe it’s a 78, original to the boat.
@@mik3mill3r11 Hi Michael, Strange, thought I turned that option on - it's supposed to be on the 'About' page under 'Details - For business inquiries (click to show).' Oh well who knows lol. Anyway, my email is simply my username without the 33, followed by ROGERS and COM. Try that and I'll get back to you.
Also, 2 points forgot to mention in last post. If it's been sitting like you say I'd also take out the spark plugs and put a few tablespoons of oil in the cylinders before turning it over. Also, take off any air box/air cleaner in front of the carburetor(s) to make sure there's no 'mouse nests' waiting to be sucked in. Ask me how I know lol...:o) Talk soon Michael, cheers!~ Bellarmine
Great video, you can't beat the classic motors and boats, thanks for sharing
Wow! Great boat at a great price. Nice work on the motor! Sounds great. Nothing cuts the water like a vintage Johnson. I wish I had the chrome front door for mine. I'll post a better video of my boat this year.
I'm digging mine out this summer one owner last time I ran it 1964. Has approximately 40 hours on it. Can't wait. Thanks for posting this
You're welcome Bill, wow now that is what I'd call a low hour motor lol, and original owner too! I'm actually the 2nd owner, grandsons of the original purchaser made a gift of it to me when I moved, real nice of them. This one hadn't run since say 1975. I get about 105PSI in both cylinders, not too shabby guess it could stand a rehoning, goes pretty good! Let me know if you'd like any tips on what I did to restore mine, on the wiring, or a shop manual free download, be my pleasure to help anytime, helped several people in the past. Also have the 1956 Johnson brochure on my HDD, can email it to you if you wish makes for good reading. Hope you get her running, I think you will be pleased - Cheers Bill!~ Bellarmine
Thank you for the compliments, very nice of you to say so! I learned a lot from my Dad, he knows something about everything. Was real fun when me and my neighbor got it started for the 1st time, I'm sure he'd never seen it running.
That sounds like a cabin cruiser you have there, that's real nice, must have a lot of memories with your grandad. Hope the repairs aren't too serious, send me a PM anytime if you'd like any tips or just to chat. Hope you get your Bell Boy back on the water soon!
Very nice motor. I used to soup them up, changing the different model parts... Higher compression heads, bigger carb, modded 2 blade brass prop. The aluminum alloy is actually better than post 1960, that is why they had to make the castings thicker. Your compression is fine btw. More important the two cylinders are equal. You can always check your rings through the intake ports, but your motor has good power and starts fast. That is such a fun motor to work on and is actually fairly light. Always smart to pick up a spare parts motor. Any big Evinrude or Johnson twin of that era will provide quick switches of parts.
Fun video on a nice lake.
Cheers 🍻
Thanks for the comment and the good words Didier! So you used to work on these motors too, nice you must know them well. Yes I think I get 105PSI in both cylinders, not sterling but not too shabby, and yes it always starts before I can release the key, unlike my neighbor's Yamaha 70hp triple carb. He has to crank it several times cold, still trying to figure that one out (I think lack of an old fashioned choke, has a primer thingamabob). It is fun to work on the Javelin, and yes I did mount it on the boat at dockside once all by myself (wouldn't like to do it again lol). I do have another motor like these, but not for parts, a 1961 40HP SuperSeahorse, hope to get it tuned up soon, look at my other videos. Let me know if you'd like me to email you some OEM brochures, bring back memories I'm sure, make very interesting reading, I downloaded them all. Best wishes Didier and Cheers!~ Bellarmine
@@bellarmine33 I reviewed your video. I did have a very similar motor with the closed cover and carb silencer. I tended to adapt the two piece open bottom covers, because they were so compact... No room for a starter though. That motor has very good sound control. I think I heard an exterior piece giving off a noise, maybe the carb faceplate... I believe you said you removed a high speed cut off... Was it a little vacuum switch with a single wire? That will act as a soft kill switch, it will protect your motor if the prop comes out of the water or you over Rev because of a rope or sea weed in the prop.
It will only stop one cylinder from firing temporarily, it is a good idea. I threw a rod through the case on one when I caught a rope. It occurred in under two seconds.
You did really good mods on that particular model. I would use a domed strainer on the airbox to get more flow. Or remove a solid cover, and even plug exhaust. I did pick up one motor with a mouse nest right in the crank case. Because of the reed valves, I believe they entered by the exhaust. Mice like oil btw.
Brochure would be neat, maybe just one old pick. My favorite was the green cover.
That aluminum buffs up really nicely to a chrome like finish. The boat is a nice color too, you could probably do a refinish really easily.
Cheers again 👍
Hi Didier, finally getting back to you. Sure, I'd be glad to send you a brochure or two. Just send me an email to Bellarmine followed by the @ symbol, then Rogers and Com.
No I left the vacuume cutout switch for runaway saftey, think I can hear it clack when I throttle down suddenly. But yes I did remove the hi-throttle starter cutout switch, because of the automotive starter solenoid I used. Guess I should get a marine solenoid then I can put the saftey switch back.
I start it in gear all the time find it rather handy, I'm used to checking first. Speaking of which, that's really funny about your Dad, My own Dad actually did the same thing! He's used to the more advanced single-throttle control (still looking for one muchas denieros!), he did the same thing started in gear tied at the dock almost drove it up on the land lol!
Hope to hear from you soon, good chatting Didier. cheers!~ Bellarmine
@@bellarmine33 Will do, I used to get all my vintage stuff at a dealer called St Donat Marine. They were more concerned with trying to keep up with the newer technology, so I even got free motors. I would do them favors when they were stuck. They were Bombardier but also kept old Chrysler and Merc stuff. They did boat storage and maintenance for miles around. I'll check for their contact, I'm guessing you might be in Ontario... So, not that far. Do some garage picking one day!
Thanks, the 8n is now at a new home, kicking myself to the day for letting her go. I just posted a new video of a boat I just bought. Hope to have her out in the next week or so for its maiden voyage :-) its great to see videos of the classic boats like yours.
I know this video is old but I still had to comment. When you said top of the line for the day I couldn’t help but think it’s still the top of the line for many who adore vintage equipment and keeping them running like they used to. For the money you spent and what little work you put into this setup the value is priceless and I bet the experience is just as good. Well done.
Thanks for that Josh, I deeply appreciate it! Yes, it was a real thrill getting it started for the first time in 2011, after sitting in their boathouse for over 35 years - sitting there before I was even around, how strange. I guess others just saw an old motor, whereas I saw myself water-skiing - different vision.....:o) Up till then I had only driven my little 6hp Johnson in my other videos, so yes to me the 'experience' was just fantastic. You might say the video is still 'current', as I took a cruise just last week and as always it's still running like a Swiss watch, especially after getting to replacing the lower-unit seals a couple years ago, no more leaks. Yes, top of the line for '56, and still the top motor I own....:o) Cheers Josh! Bellarmine
You deserve a lot of credit for the work you have done - making a real something out of minimal materials. She runs quite nicely.
Thanks for that Bradford, I appreciate it! Yes, it was a real thrill getting it started for the first time in 2011, after sitting in their boathouse for over 35 years - sitting there before I was even around, how strange. I guess others just saw an old motor, whereas I saw myself waterskiing - different vision.....:o) Still running like a Swiss watch as always, especially after replacing all the lower-unit seals a couple years ago, no more leaks. I'm putting it in the lake this Sunday for another season of fun - cheers Bradford! Bellarmine
that is so exciting I have a 1956 lark evenrude but I need a pressure gas tank and to rewire I can hardly wait to see it on the water.Thanks for the idea's
Thanks! The front sticker on my HD calls for 16:1. My friend, chrysleroutboarddude, has a 1913 Evinrude and I think that calls for 8:1. Could you imagine the smoke cloud if using straight 30wt :))
I absolutely love your vintage boat to. I thought mine look very small at 15' but you have got me beat with a 14' beauty. Just beautiful colors beautiful shape the motor is absolutely classic.
Thanks for your comment and compliments Michael! Not sure what you're saying about your 15', mine is a 14' and good enough for me...:o) I'm actually the 2nd owner of this classic motor as you call it, the grandsons of the 1st owner made a gift of it to me a couple years ago, since I had helped them get it running. Just took a cruise yesterday and still runs like a Swiss watch. - Cheers!~ Bellarmine
@@bellarmine33 Enjoy that beauty.. I did edit my original comment.. darn voice recognition.. I was sitting in traffic when I saw the video... Mine is a 66 Larson... my first boat...…. just love it...
Ah yes that makes more sense...:o) Watching my movie during traffic, must be interesting I'm flattered! Yes, my old 1965 Viking is fun to drive. I looked up your Larson, nice looking boat. You have the curved plexiglass type windshield, I've noticed my square windshield seems just a tad uncommon. Wondered if a curved one like yours would be nicer, though mine is actually tempered glass, so hard to scratch lol. You should post a video of your Larson sometime, let me know and I'll be the first to watch it....:o) Cheers Michael! Robert
I really like your boat and that's one of my favorite outboards 👍
I have a 1960 Slickcraft Catalina with the same year Merc 400. Love the vintage boats! Good job keeping yours clean and going. Too many are left to rot
Glad you liked it, thanks for the comment! Yes, it's such a blast to drive, go waterskiing and everything, really unique styling. Nice boat you have too, with the same-year motor, amazing! Mine's a 1965 Viking 14footer, bit newer, I'm guessing sold by Sears. I have the original brochure for the 1956 Javelin I can email to you if you like, along with any other years you might wish to read, VERY interesting reading. Let me know - Cheers! Bellarmine
Thank you so much for your help. Today after countless hours of repairing the starter that was frozen I was able to free the bearings and basicly rebuild it. Reinstalled and checked continuity before attempting to turn the engine. It turned over fine. Got the fuel tank atached And wala it started right up. All seemed fine but wanted to restart it to adjust the mixture. It started and as I was adjusting the lean mixture It completely detonated .The lower leg gears disintergrated. I guess sometimes when something is that much of a headache its just not worth putting anymore time effort or money into it. Done...
You're welcome. My that's really too bad it disintegrated on you, sounded like you were on your way. If you don't mind, I'm sending you a PM with some thoughts.........:^)
Regards, Bellarmine
Nice boat and motor. You're right about those old motors. After spending this past spring and summer in vain trying to tune up a 200 horse Evinrude with six carbs, I'm going back to the boat I grew up with: 1957 Arkansas Traveler with '57 Johnson Golden Javelin. Still runs like a champ.
Hi Frisco, thanks for the compliment. Wow, a 200horse Evinrude with 6 carbs, complication deluxe! They run great when they run, but sometimes that's not often lol. A friend told me a story about an old Volvo outboard a friend of his has, running for years and with a cracked block even. So he decides to go and buy a brand-new Volvo outboard. Upshot is, he's more often using the old cracked-block motor to tow the brand new one in to replace this or that electronic gizmo. You're right, oldies but goodies, and the older they are the better I like 'em!
You've got a beautiful combo there, I really like the 1957 Golden Javelin gold and cream style. I have the original brochure for these on my hard drive, along with all other Johnson/Evinrude years from 1910 ~ 2000+. Let me know if you'd like me to email you any. Good luck getting your vintage 35HP running, if you'd like some advice sometime drop me a note. Thanks for the comment - Cheers! Bellarmine
I enjoyed watching this video :-) Nice boat and nice weather. And that old Johnson is quite impressive I must say, it's quite fast.
Thanks very much for the comment WarthDader! (StarWars eh?....:^) Yes, I do enjoy driving the boat, all I had before was the lil' ole 6hp in my other videos, the 30hp is a real blast, never driven so fast before! When I'm alone in the boat I get up to 25MPH, not bad for my heavy fiberglass job, and with two light people only drops a couple MPH. I should upload some of me water-skiing, we'll see maybe this year. Thanks again!
Yes sir, I'm a fan of StarWars :-) I also own a 14 feet boat which is quite similar to yours, but it is from 1980. So you like to drive fast...just like me :-) Your video put me in a good mood, and I look forward to start the boating season.
I really liked this video. You were very informative about the engine which was interesting and was impressed by the condition of the engine! Nice job!
Thanks for the comment, glad you enjoyed the video, I had a lot of fun filming it. Right now this winter I'm giving the lower unit an overhaul, and replacing the lower crank seal (removed the power head). Hoping to have it all ready for the Spring in 2015. Wishing you a Happy New Year - Cheers!
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! It's a real blast to drive, think it goes around 25-30mph. I'm going to attach a speedo this year, and see if my estimate is right.
Looked at your other vids, that's a nice Ford 8N you've got there! Great candidate for your project, looks like it drove out of a showroom.......:^) Hardly looks like it needs anything as it is, good luck with it!
I grew up in my grt Grandparents home in Coconut Grove. It was build in 1896 and originally went from Tiger Tail Avenue to the Bay including 3 acres of bay bottom. Now, the “across the street property” we called it is Monty Trainers. My grandparents loved boats and fishing and gave me small outboards starting with a 1/2 HP Evinrude. My firstnew outboard was a 1957 Evinrude 7.5! Big time! I knew Dinner Key and the Islands in front like the back of my hand. Good memories!
Thanks Howard. I looked up Coconut Grove on Google Maps, and all I can say is - Wow, and I hope you still own a bit of property there. Back then it must have been waaaay out in the boonies, sure has changed. I see the Monty Trainers seafood restaurant, and I think the Dinner Islands 1/2 mile South of that - what a great backyard you had, sort of like Flipper's family.
You must have loved your first new Evinrude 7.5, quite a bit of power. My Dad had a new 1960 Johnson 5.5 when he was growing up, and I grew up on a lake in Muskoka with a 1974 Johnson 6HP he bought used off the local resort. My friends and I bombed about the lake with that until I fixed up the Javelin about 2011 - what an upgrade! Good memories too. If you look at my other videos I also have a pretty nice 1963 Johnson 40HP I need to do some work on, and a running '57 Evinrude 18 - must look just like your 7.5. Saw both of them at a scrapyard, the Evinrude was such a sorry sight all beat-up that I rescued it. Amazingly it runs good after me doing next to nothing - factory electric start too. I should upload a video I did later of it driving my boat at 20MPH, nearly as fast as the Javelin - good compression. You just can't kill these motors.
Send me an email at my address below and I'll email you the 1957 Evinrude brochure - should bring you back great memories of your own 7.5HP........:o) It's my TH-cam username without the 33, then rogers and com. Wish YT hadn't removed the PM system - Cheers Howard! Bellarmine
These boats made boating affordable for just about every family
Thanks for the comment. You're right, the boats today cost a fortune. I'm not even interested, so big and expensive. $2000 for a new 9.8HP, but repairing an antique 30HP for a couple hundred of parts is 'not worth it'? I'll never understand....:o) I have all the oldie Johnson brochures from that time on my HDD, give a shout if you'd like some. As you say, they show a much more fun, carefree and simple time. Cheers! Bellarmine
Yeah, I knew that from my Dad's 1960 Johnson OEM shop manual, learned a lot from it, motors older than 1964 use 25:1. He had a 5 1/2 CD-17 when he was younger, wishes he'd kept it. Nice little motor you've got yourself, the HD-20 cost all of $94.00 in 1941, amazing. If there's anything else you'd like to know from the manual, give me a buzz. Cheers!
Very nice old outboard and I enjoyed the sound as you toured the lake. Just a couple of safety comments, you should have a battery box, to protect the terminals from any metal contact (like the gas tank!). The second item is household wire nuts are a No No, on a boat. They come undone with vibration. You should use crimp connectors and seal them if ever using the boat in salt water.
Have a great season with the old girl!
Thanks for the thoughts, much appreciated. I don't think I'll ever be on salt water with my Viking, but your advice about wire-nuts is good to keep in mind. Come to think of it I don't see them on cars either, I figure for the same reasons you mentioned! About the battery, that one went bad on me, so I picked up a couple good marine batteries (from the dump!) with top terminals, so they can't hit anything anymore lol......:^) Cheers! Bellarmine
Thanks for the comment, glad you like the movie!
Yes, I use a battery to run everything, charge it one a month or so since the motor doesn't charge it by itself, yours might possibly though. The steering is using vinyl coated clothesline and pulleys.
I'll send you a message shortly with some info and details if you'd like
BTW I watched your video of your 3.5 Mercury, it is pretty fast!
I just got a 62 super sea horse 40 and I really thought it was 50 / 1 thank you for that 24/1 will be what I do on the mix
You're welcome William, yes 24 / 1 is the correct mix from the factory for 1962. Or 25 / 1, just easier to calculate and plenty close enough - 40ml oil per 1000ml gas, I'm always mixing small amounts. You can also get into an endless debate with people on both sides who say it's not the motors that changed to 50 / 1 but the oil quality - hence any motor with full needle-bearings like these 40hp's can run on 50 / 1 modern oil, as apparently nothing changed in the motor from 1963 to 1964, just the oil. On the other hand I just don't want to burn up my powerhead for a half quart of oil, so I just run the factory mix and the debate lives on.........:o) I've also got a nice 1961 40HP Super Seahorse I'm restoring, beautiful motor, almost same as yours. If you'd like any help or tips, or a PDF brochure for your own motor just drop me a line anytime, be my pleasure. Cheers William!~ Bellarmine
@@bellarmine33 water to stick with 24:1, but with the older type oil. The pistons on these particular motors had long skirts snd you rarely saw scuffing or seizing. The clearances may have been larger. New oils are generally superior for less smoking, they do have many additives. Some will also adhere to surfaces much more.
Always better to follow a known protocol with oil but these motors are tough and well cooled, they won't react like a chainsaw.
More dangerous is running a cylinder too rich and melting a piston or using bad gas and getting predetonation.
Cheers 🍻
Some of the small motors were 16:1 gas oil mix. My 55 Johnson 5.5 and my 55 Evinrude 7.5 are 16:1. Nice running Javelin you have. Makes me want to get an old vintage boat and restore it.
Thanks for the comment. The bulletin on fuel mixture in my Dad's shop manual is from the 1960's, so I guess they neglected to mention the older motors. Glad you enjoyed the video - Cheers!
Yup, they were officially 16 to 1, one quart of the old straight-30 'military spec' [before the SE grading system] crankcase oil to a FOUR gallon tank! But, the bigger motors had 'jeweled' bearings and WILL happily run on 50 to 1 especially with today's TC-W3 oil. If 50 to 1 on the 1960's sludge didn't kill 'em, TC-W3 sure won't!
@The56Blur You're right, they're great motors! The old stuff is just simpler, run forever.
I tried looking for a chrome door, but no joy. Luckily you have the side trim & pull-start cover, which are missing on my friend's. Boy, I didn't realize they were so rare!
I've got an old 1959 18hp Johnson FD-13 I'm restoring for myself. Nice classic white lines, I'll post a video of it when it's done.
Thanks for the comment, you're the 1st! Glad I could be the 1st on your video too...:^)
That sounds great, glade the gasket worked out for you.
Glad you enjoyed the video, my pleasure. Yep the gaskets worked out fine; Thanks! I checked out your channel, turns out I think I've seen a few of your uploads before.......:^) Thanks, and Cheers!
Thanks for the comment, glad it was helpful! Yeah, it is pretty exciting, especially after driving a 6hp my whole life previously lol. I know of a website where you can convert the old pressurized system to a fuel pump, those older tanks are hard to come by. I'm also helping a chap in Aussie rewire his motor too, so if you'd like a simple wiring diagram or anything Joseph, let me know. Hope you get your Evinrude gong real soon. Cheers!
spent a lot of time in my youth with one of those
Hi, sorry for the late reply. Thanks for the comment, I was looking at your other videos, you have a lot of fun with your Johnson 5.5 and Evinrude. Yes, the high-speed adjustment makes a BIG difference. On the 30hp in my other videos, after overhauling the carb it was labouring along at 5mph at full throttle, until I closed the hi-speed jet til 1/4 turn open, then it took off at 25MPH! My Dad used to have a 1960 5.5 exactly like yours, he wishes he'd kept it. Thanks for the comment - cheers!
That thing has torque, 2 cycle torque, great
"Thirty horsepower is a nice match for this boat." It's so crazy that today's boaters can't appreciate when enough to get the job done is appropriate. They aren't happy unless they can reach Interstate Highway speeds and then spend the rest of their lives making payments. I think you did a great job here on a fine combination.
Thanks very much for the comment Eric, I appreciate it very much! Glad you enjoyed the video, yes it may not be the fastest but it really is a blast to drive, and so easy and cheap to fix, you just can't kill these, an oldie but goodie. Just put it away again for the season last month, still running like a Swiss watch, starts up every time never let me down. Not like my Neighbor's 70HP triple-carb Yamaha, cleaned all 3 carbs and we're still trying to get it to run right - whew! I also have a nice looking 1961 Johnson 40HP in the works (see my other videos), found it at my local scrap yard (!) give me a bit more speed...;o) Let me know if you'd like any PDF brochures for these motors, my email addy should be on my About page under Business Inquiries, it'd be my pleasure. Thanks and Cheers Eric!~ Bellarmine
On your newer motor, If you use 24 to 1 oil mixture your motor it will last longer. It's up to you. I have also learned to always keep the motor tipped up, out of the water, when you are not using it. It's better for the seals, and etc. When I was a boy I learned to water-ski behind a Javalin over 50 years ago. I have all the chrome parts and a paint sample. If I win the lottery....
wow, very good setup! how did you do all the wiring ect? like electric start and steering? do you need a battery or a power source for it all to work? i have a 1973 20hp runabout similar to that and im wanting to set up steering and electric start on it all. im fairly new to the boating world! thanks
I have 1961 Evinrude 18 HP and first hour or so I run it 1:50 oil ratio. After switching to 1:24 mix it runs smoother on low speed. My previous 9.9 hp Johnson 1960 was running well too
Thanks for the comment! Yes, I just run 24:1 (or 25:1 for easier calculation....:o). Or easy no measure method from Johnson, just put a gallon of gas in the tank, then 1quart/litre of oil, and then fill it up. According to the Johnson factory shop manual, I can run 50:1 in motors newer than 1964 , like my 1974 6hp, and it seems to run dandy that way. I heard they went to 100:1 in the 80's for a short spell with oil injection - caused problems so they went back to 50:1 - good enough in my opinion. Heard a lot of people say the modern 'higher quality' oils allow you to run less oil on the older motors, but I'm not interested in burning up a vintage powerhead for $3 of oil....as someone told me, if you're that poor you shouldn't be boating lol....:o) Cheers! Bellarmine
You never had a "nine-point-nine from 1960; that was a plain ol' "ten." Your '61 Fastwin 18 can run 50:1 all day; it has full needle bearings on the mains and both ends of the rods. Remember, the TC-W3 oil we have today is a lot better lubricant than the non-detergent straight 30wt crankcase oil we used Back in the Day.
That was a really nice video and fun and that lake looks amazing
Glad you enjoyed it! Yes, that's the lake I used to live at, pretty nice, I'm now on another lake 100miles farther North, same climate but the lake is bigger woohoo. Saw your username, do you actually drive a Parisienne/Bonneville, if so lucky you, BIG car. Check out my other videos for my Blue Buick Roadmaster (A/C compressor replace), they don't make 'em like they used to do they?.....:o) Thanks for the comment, Cheers!~ Bellarmine
@@bellarmine33 Hi and thanks for the reply, I'm in Oshawa. Yep I do have a Parisienne as well as some boats/motors you can see them in my videos. I've watch a few of yours and they're cool. Hope you're having a good day! -John
would love to find a 56 or 57 javelin restored for my restored 55 14' cedar strip.
I've seen a few for sale on Kijiji Ontario for not bad prices, couple years ago I almost snagged a 35HP Golden Javelin for only $120, in need of a paint job but probably running. Maybe try joining the "AOMCI.org" and "forums.iboats.com" forums and ask around - they might know where one exists. I'm actually the 2nd owner of this one, the grandsons of the 1st owner made a gift of it to me a couple years ago, since I had helped them get it running. Just took a cruise yesterday and still runs like a Swiss watch. Let me know if there's anything else I can do, good luck with your search Steve - Cheers!~ Bellarmine
P.S., here are two, hope they are near you. Perhaps need tune-ups, but cosmetically in GREAT shape, which is the hard part. As you probably know, these are REAL easy to work on, so if the cosmetics are in good shape it is pretty easy to get them running, parts are cheap too (I can even give you some pointers and email you some manuals / original BROCHURES if you want...:o) Cheers Steve!
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That cover is nice when it's cold you can ride in your boat with the cover on from the way it looks
That's true, never tried it but there is room underneath my cover if you hunch down...:o) Thanks for the comment, glad you enjoyed it - Cheers!~ Bellarmine
that moter runs like a champ
The more I see these older motors run the more I want one.. the beginning was too tedious.. chop it out.. he he no pun..good overall video.. thanks.. I really appreciate the look and feel ion of the pressurized fuel tank.. thanks again and have fun..x😀😎
Thanks for your comment Michael. Perhaps the 1st part drags a tad - I did most of the video in one take and it's difficult to film and keep the whole 'script' in mind at the same time....:o) Let me know if you'd like help looking for one of these older gems - they can be had for a couple hundred, mostly running. If necessary maybe another hundred in parts and some work and you can have a motor that rivals a $10k one - hard to believe! I also have some manuals, and brochures for the whole Johnson / Evinrude line. Hope all your boating days are happy ones - Cheers! Bellarmine
FYI, A lot of experts say that with the modern synthetic oils you can run all engines at 50 to on1 the problem was the oil quality not the differences in the motors.
Thanks for your comment and the info Reg, that's interesting to know! I'll check it out and keep it in mind. Cheers! Bellarmine
BTW, that 1050's 30 hp will run on a 50:1 fuel/oil mix without complaint or damage; the OMC's in that HP range were 'full jeweled' motors meaning they had needle bearings in the rods. Today's TC-W3 oil is far better than what was used with a 24:1 mix Back-in-the-Day when they recommended use of ordinary 30 wt. non-detergent oil - ie. cheap crankcase oil.
nice boat and motor- you probably want to put that mercury switch back on- it keeps the motor from "running away"
there is another fuel ratio for old motors- 16:1 the 3, 5 1/2 and 7 1/2 motors from 1950 through at least 1960 required 16:1- they were all bushings
Thanks for the comment. I didn't know the 3, 5.5 and 7.5 HP motors used 16:1, I'll keep that in mind for the future. As for the mercury switch, actually it prevents you from cranking the motor when the throttle is too high, no big deal to me. If you're referring to the cut-out vacuum switch that shorts one cylinder when there's too much suction in the carb during a run-away, that's still in place. You can see it still mounted behind the carb silencer on the port side. I think I can hear it click now and then when I pull the throttle back suddenly lol. Glad you enjoyed the video, cheers!
It was actually $582, slight mistake on my part..:^) I talked with my Dad, and he said it'd be 2 months salary ++, based on an industrial wage back then of $3000 a year! Lot o money to spend on just an outboard. My friend's grandad, who bought it new, sure wanted top of the line, couldn't get any better. Only year for a 30hp, and 6volt system too! Next year was a 35hp 12volt, the 'Golden Javelin'. Stuck a speedo on the other day, and gets up to nearly 24mph, pretty fast. Thanks for your comment!
Really runs good, lots of steam! Now you have to fix up the rat interior and buff out the hull....!
The wiring ??? I got the starter ground and choke but How do you kill the engine and get electrical power to recharge the battery? thanks Tom.
Hi Tomsole,
It's interesting, I get quite a few questions on this, I guess my dad being an electrical engineer helps my understanding a lot lol!
I'd need to know your engine model to be sure, but offhand unless you have a separate belt-driven generator, there are no charging capabilities in these older motors. About how to stop them, just hold down the electric choke switch until it shuts down, or pull the choke on the control panel. That's what I do at the beginning of the video when you see my motor shut off.
If you need any help wiring up the starter, choke or adding a keyswitch to shut it down etc, send me a PM with your year, HP and/or model and I'll give you some help and details!
Thanks for the comment! Bellarmine
+tomsole99 there is no generator for charging unless the motor has the optional charging system attached, kill with switch to mag wires
Hello I have this engine and I was working on it today and found your video (thanks for making it btw it was vary helpful) And my throttle cut out switch (with the murcury[safetyswitch]) was sparking/smoking the adjacent throttle cable so I kind of wanted to remove it like you did. And I wanted some clarification did you keep the cutout switch wired up and just get rid of the mercury switch?
Agian Thank you for posting
Its videos like this that make youtube great.
Hi Kay, Thanks for your question, glad the video was helpful and thanks for the compliments! Sure, I can help you figure that out, something similar happened to me too. If you don't mind I just need to ask a few questions so I can understand what you're saying. The cutout switch (mounted beside the Carburetor) actually has nothing to do with the mercury switch (on the throttle bevel gears), so which one are you having a problem with? In case you don't know, the mercury switch prevents the electric starter from operating if the throttle is above high idle. The cutout switch keeps the engine from 'running away' after an abrupt throttle down, by shorting one cylinder to ground under very high intake vacuum. In my Javelin I left the cutout switch alone, but I completely removed the mercury switch, as it was case grounded, so I couldn't use it with the standard starter solenoid I bought . So, I have to be careful not to crank it at full throttle. Doesn't bother me, but my Dad has done that once or twice already....(!)...:o) Hope this helps, let me know by all means if you need further assistance, be my pleasure. You can contact me by looking at my "About" page, my address is there. Cheers Kay!~ Bellarmine
@@bellarmine33 Yup, I thought you had removed the vacuum switch. People really do start these things in gear at full throttle. My father did this and flipped the whole boat upside down on himself, he was playing hero and jumped into my 12 foot aluminum boat with a hopped up big twin motor to rescue some female in distress or something...
The neighbors thought it was hilarious 😂
He didn't even untie the boat, lucky because it would have taken off empty across a 7 mile lake.
You can't fix stupid, but OMC really loaded up on safety features 👍
That motor is hummin! I just bought a 33hp 1966 Johnson. I hope it works. lol
Thanks for the comment Augy, it sure does run nice! It should after overhauling the ignition, carburettor, lower unit and electrical system. Starts EVERY time with no effort, unlike my neighbor's newer 1988 30HP Johnson - endless problems and $!
Good luck with your new motor, they are gems once you get them running, which isn't too difficult due to the utter lack of electronic complication. Do let me know if you have any questions or need any advice, I've helped a few people in the past and it worked out nice. I even have a large electronic Johnson/Evinrude brochure collection, I can send you the 1966 one if you'd like. All the best and Cheers! Bellarmine
Wow, I'll totally take you up on the offer for the manual. The model for my Johnson is RX-14. How do I get that from you? I'm totally incompetent about motors but always wanted to learn on an small old engine. Guess I have my chance now. lol
Hi Augy, no problem, I'll be more than glad to help you out any way you need, enjoy it actually. The only problem might be if you can you deal with my generally long-winded emails lol......;o) I can email you the 1966 brochure as a PDF, and set you up with a shop manual and lots more info too. I'd ask you to send me your email address, but I noticed that TH-cam has removed the entire Private Messaging system (duuh)!! Instead of putting our addresses on here, you can reach me after simply looking at this small PNG picture:
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Talk soon Augy, cheers! Bellarmine
Hello again Augy, I"m wondering if you were still interested in a
brochure for your 1966 Johnson 33HP? I'd love to email the PDF to you,
but I don't know how we can share our email addresses without putting
them on this public comment board.
Perhaps I should have explained, the link below is simply a .PNG picture / screenshot of my email address, to prevent spambots. If you email at the address shown in the image I'll get right back to you. Hope to hear from you soon, Cheers! Bellarmine
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Email sent. Thanks mate!
I have always heard 24:1 and 50:1 etc. How much oil do you add to 6 gallons of gasoline? 1 pint? TIA. JEE.
Hi John,
Thanks for the comment. For 6 US Gallons of gas, add 1 quart of oil for a 24:1 mix, or 1/2 a quart of oil for a 50:1 mix. If the motor is a 1964 model or newer, use 50:1. Not sure what you mean about the "TIA" and "JEE".
See here for some fuel mixing info, and a whole bunch of other info as well (scroll down a third of the way to "Recommended Fuel / Oil Mix"):
www.leeroysramblings.com/OMC_6hp.htm
Cheers!
TIA means Thanks in Advance.
bellarmine33 TIA = Thanks in Advance and JEE are my initials.
yeah thanks for that! hahaha yeah it is a good little set up with the 3.5hp, funny video too
im pretty young and getting into boating, im going though a bigger better faster stage with boats
What a beautiful place you are a lucky man to live in such a beautiful place ilive in Louisiana and the state and its water ways have been destroyed by industry bunk auto n small eng
Thank you Joey, appreciate the comment! You're right, I am fortunate to live there. Probably don't appreciate it as much as others due to having grown up with it, but I remind myself how lucky I am. Moved farther North since I made this video, but lucky to have another quite nice place for a 2nd home. So sorry to hear about Louisiana and your waterways, things are really coming apart these days. Also the hurricane and flood you had 10 years ago and it took Bush 2 weeks to lift his finger while all you people had to deal with your flooded out homes. Many which are still living in trailer parks as we speak (!), while big business grabs their properties and puts up condos - follow the money eh?.....:o) Take care and best wishes Joey - Cheers!~ Bellarmine
How did you button the cover on u like that design
Hi Chad, sorry for the late reply. Yes, the covers on these older Johnsons are unique - they're split in two halfs, front and back. First you undo two clasps at each side. Then you hinge the back half up over on top of the front half, and slide the front half off. Putting back on is the reverse. Apparently is was quite innovative at the time, as other motors had more complication to get the shrouds off, and seems nowadays is complicated yet again. Thanks for the comment, cheers!
It was called a 'clamshell' cover. Perhaps a bit more complicated than the later fiberglass ones, but it had that great rounded Art Deco styling. The Merc's right into the late 80's were terrible, with a front trim panel, then the wrap-around, then the top cover, and even then you have access issues with the supports for the top cover. The one-piece fiberglass covers on OMC's and Chryslers - and just about every other oddball make [Elgin, Scott-Attwater, etc] made a Hell of a lot more sense.
Boy, that was a big chunk of cash back then. Guess you couldn't even get a new 30hp for $5000 today even, prices have gone up so much (or has the money gone down..??) So you have one too, lucky you have the chrome, never did find out what the owners did with the chrome. So it could be all repainted for $500? I'll pass that on, something to keep in mind. Runs like a dream as you say, as another chap said, be more often using the older motors to tow the new ones in for service lol. Cheers!
How much does this boat weigh? I have a similar setup and just wondering what kind of speeds I would get
Hi Matt, Thanks for the question! I really don't know exactly, I would guess my hull weighs around 300-400lbs, just a guess at the way I can heave it around on the trailer when I'm fiddling with it. The motor is about 125lbs, so with the gas tank, battery and me in it - around 650-750lbs I would guess. I have another video of when I put a vintage AirGuide speedometer in it, I get between 22-24MPH on a good day, check it out:
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I looked at a couple of your videos, nice boats! Do you have a little boat like in your channel banner, looks like my own 1974 Johnson 6HP in another of my videos I grew up with. Your 28HP goes like a bat, and is the 85HP in the duel a V4? Personally I like the 40HP setup better, nicer looking boat...:o) Let me know if you'd like a free PDF brochure for your motor(s), I have 'em all on my HDD, if interested just shoot me a mail at my address on my 'about' page. Cheers Matt!~ Bellarmine
bellarmine33 Thanks! And yep that 6hp was the motor I started with when I was younger, great motors.
What's the difference between the Javelin and the regular Johnson?
Hi Dan, the difference (in 1956) between the RDE-18 and RJE-18 is in the chrome door concealing the controls and chrome wings, cover for the pull start handle, standard 6v electric starting, and $30 more ($582). In 1957 they had the Golden Javelin, which was the same motor but 35HP now in gold and white with new 12v electric starting, while the rest of the fleet retained the maroon-white paint until 1959 when they went to all white. Hope that answers your question Dan, let me know if you'd like me to send you any brochures they make for very interesting reading. Also see this link below for an original ad that answers your question. Cheers!~ Bellarmine
www.datazap.net/sites/3for3get3/38966.JPG
@@bellarmine33 Thank you very much. I grew up with Johnsons like this. I would very much be interested in brochures or any info or history of Johnson or OMC. Evinrude, too! It is heartbreaking that OMC failed. What a great company.
@@dansmusic5749 Hi Dan, I've grown up with Johnsons too, still have my 1st motor little Johnson 1976 6HP. It is a shame what happened to OMC, we still use our Pioneer FarmSaw for our firewood, indestructible heavy duty saw. Sure, I'd love to send you some brochures, be my pleasure. I have Johnson and Evinrude brochures on my hard drive from around 1905 to ~1990's or so and everything in between. Send me an email at my email address on my TH-cam About page, should be under 'Business Inquiries'. Otherwise it is my TH-cam username Bellarmine (without the 33), followed by ROGERS and COM. Talk to you soon, Cheers Dan!~ Bellarmine
@@bellarmine33 That is a generous offer. I currently do not own a boat and motor and I don't have the cabin anymore. But I love OMC and have many fond memories of them. I love history and I like to know how each year of the motors looked like, so that's why I wrote I wanted brochures. I probably can find what I want on the net. But I very much appreciate the offer. Enjoy your summer. Dan
@@dansmusic5749 No problem, great chatting with you too Dan. Let me know if you change your mind, if I wasn't clear I meant e-mail, not mail...:o) I've e-mailed PDF brochures to quite a few people over the years, they all love them. There is a website where I got them all from, I can find it for you, but it is hard and awkward to download them. I got them all, then make them into slick PDF files and email them to anyone. The year by year changes are interesting, learn a lot. I'll be getting the Javelin out next month, still driving like in the video. Enjoy your Summer too Dan, best wishes and Cheers!~ Bellarmine
I need a tach for my 1958 RDE19 35 what kind of tach is on yours?
+Richard Degen Thanks for your comments! It really is a blast to drive! I just finished redoing the whole lower unit in July with new seals, been back on the lake this Summer and it runs like a Swiss watch - low idle to wide open throttle.
Real nice motor you have there yourself, red and white colored, more white than mine. I believe the RDE-19 would be a 1957, as mine is RJE-18 and 1956. You can put a generator on it too; the carb and fuel filter on mine is in the way, so the generator won't fit. Yours is the first year for the charging system.
I've found brochures for all these old motors, send me your email or a PM if you want a copy, and I'll email it to you.
As for my Tach, it's from a MercCruiser V6, so it doesn't register quite right the way I've hooked it up. I've got one cylinder going into it, so that would be 1 pulse per revolution. It's expecting 3 pulses per revolution (4-stroke V6), so it displays 1/3 of the RPM.
I think a Snowmobile tach would work, it will display 1/2 the RPM when hooked up to 1 cylinder. To hook up both cylinders I think you would need a couple diodes. Just a thoery as of yet, when I get a snowmobile Tach soon I'll try it out and let you know.
Otherwise just go to any junkyard and scrounge the boat hulls for a tach, making sure it is an Outboard hull and not an Inboard. If you're lucky you'll find one that was on an OMC engine and should display properly hooked up to 1 cylinder.
I have lots of ideas, and am pretty good at wiring if I do say so myself. Anything else or if you want any wiring details let me know Richard.
Cheers! Bellarmine
+bellarmine33 Thanks for your reply, I am happy with the 35 sea horse, am in the process of adding an electric fuel pump at the tanks, a long run of hose and weak fuel pump on the motor is causing fuel starvation problems....
You can use any tach that can be set for one pulse per revolution, as mentioned above. Your motor has two separate magneto systems but the tach will be connected to one set of points and will sense a pulse every time that set of breaker points triggers its coil, which of course it does every revolution since it's a 2-stroke.
Hell, in the 80's I had an old Glasspar with an 18 gallon tank at the bow and my 1982 Evinrude 70 had no problem drawing fuel from that supply though a 3/8's copper line.
found vintage Airguide tach with 1 to 6 pulseinput settings on ebay, that should do it
Yep, the Airguide tach will work. You will have ONE pulse, from one magneto, per revolution. To 'kill' the motor they connected both points together; since ONE set is always closed that keeps either coil from being triggered by a 'breaking' set of points.
Thanks for the tips...I own 2 Javelins
You're welcome for the tips Dan, glad my video was helpful. I checked out your channel - NICE boat and motor, GREAT job. You have two Javelins, is one the Golden Javelin? I should spend a bit on paint and polish, seems that is where the money is lol. Let me know if you'd like a free brochure for your motor, I can send you my email address and email it to you, makes for great reading. Thanks for the comment Dan - Cheers!~ Bellarmine
Back in 1956 a 30hp was considered a BIG motor. Do you happen to know what the biggest outboard OMC made in 1956?
Hi Ken, Sure, the Javelin was THE biggest Johnson money could buy in 1956 - all $582 of it (lot of money!). My Dad says Mercury had 40HP motors at the time, they were always considered more sporty. I just checked out my Dad's OEM Johnson shop manual with model price list, should scan that section in. If you're interested, here's a bit of trivia I've learned over the years on this important time in Johnson history:
1955: last of the long-running 25 HP and Green paint.
1956: 30HP ($462), Red White paint, introduced 30HP Javelin with standard 6V Electric Start ($582)
1957: 35HP ($495), Javelin only became Gold White paint (Golden Javelin), 12V electric start ($625)
1958: 35HP, and introduction of the first Marine V4 outboard, 50HP ($840)
1959: 35HP/50HP, Red/White/Gold became new ALL White Fleet 'Dynautical Design' with fibreglass hoods
1960: 40HP ($640) and V4 75HP ($895), pressurized fuel system replaced with single line fuel pumps
1961: My own SuperSeahorse 40HP project in my other videos ($645), nice looker
1962: Introduced a mid-range 28HP ($495), first Johnson over a thousand V4 75HP ($1,065)
1963: HP and prices unchanged form '62
1964: 40HP ($665) and V4 75HP and 90HP ($1,175)
Check out this period 1956 ad with price list, says it all:
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Let me know if you'd like me to email you any of the vintage brochures for these motors, makes for VERY interesting reading. Thanks for the question Ken, Cheers!~ Bellarmine
40 hp largest engine made
If you needed 70hp, you just bought two.
Awesome just awesome
Thanks for the comment, glad you enjoyed it. Yes, I feel the same say every time I drive this golden oldie - Awesome! Cheers! Bellarmine
Gasoline produce about 12 HP for 1 hour per gallon. 35 HP would use 6 gallons in 2 hours. 60 miles traveled that great mileage on the water.
Thanks for the comment, yes that sounds about right, that's about what I figured - 6 gallons, 2 hours at 25MPH equals 50 miles on 6 gallons. Interesting mathwork, guess no-one has figured out MPG figures for boats lol. Best wishes and Cheers!~ Bellarmine
Older 2 stroke outboards uses roughly 0.5 liters of fuel pr. hp pr. hour. So 30 hp at full throttle would use about 15 liters an hr. (just under 4 gallons)
Oh, I forgot to answer your question, yes that was $582 in USD. If you click 'Show More' in the description beneath my video, you'll find some old US brochures listing the US price back then; check 'em out!............. :^)
Thanks for sharing, I have a barn find R J E - 18 (30 hp) a gift from a very good friend, along with a 14 foot Crestliner of the same vintage, she goes 23 and change. (By Garman GPS) I use 24:1 oil mixture. I am of the belief that switching to less oil on newer motors was a corporate concession to the gods of environmental awareness, at the expense of the life of the motor. Perhaps an engineer who understands these things could tell me how "synthetic oil" factors into the 24:1 or 50:1 Oil debate. -Oree
Hi Oree, thanks for your comment! So you have the same motor, beautiful, you must be pleased! Good to know the speed, mine goes near the same with my heavy old Viking Fiberglass.
I also run 24:1. Heard a lot of people say the modern 'higher quality' oils allow you to run less oil on the older motors, but I'm not interested in burning up a vintage powerhead for $3 of oil....as someone said, if you're that poor you shouldn't be boating lol....:o) I do run 50:1 in motors newer than 1964 according to the shop manual, like my 1974 6hp, seems to run dandy that way. I heard they went to 100:1 in the 80's for a short spell with oil injection - caused problems so they went back to 50:1 - good enough in my opinion.
If you're interested I can email you a PDF of the ORIGINAL brochure for our 1956 motors, and any other years you might like. I found a site with them all and downloaded them - let me know.
Thanks again for the comment - enjoy the Summer with your vintage Johnson Oree - Cheers! Bellarmine
Definitivamente jhonson. Evinrude. El. Mejor. Fuera de borda. Jamás construido
Espero que Google Translate lo haga bien, ¡eres mi primer comentario en otro idioma! ....: o) Gracias por el comentario Juan, estoy de acuerdo! A muchas personas les gustan los Mercury, pero a mí me gusta mi OMC Johnson-Evinrudes. ¡Salud Juan!~ Bellarmine
its a 13ft runabout too
awesome!
rdmccun Glad you enjoyed it, thanks!
NIce kit...
Glad you're not running 50:1 in it.
NICE!!
Thanks for the comment MrSnapOn, glad you enjoyed it....:o) Cheers!~ Bellarmine
Also thought I would let you know the oil I use is;
shop.evinrude.com/product/343544/764357/_/Evinrude_E-TEC_XD_100_2-Cycle_Oil
I've been reading a bit, seems you can use 50-1 in these older motors if you have all needle-bearings in the power-head. I think this Javelin does have those bearings, so I'll think about it. Thanks for the link to your oil.
Saw your video on disassembling your Johnson Stinger lower unit, nice big motors, so much simpler than the newer ones! I'm just finishing off resealing the lower unit and replacing the lower carbon crank seal in the Javelin, just got the last part I needed and I can reassemble the whole thing. Cheers! Bellarmine
I own a 1986 Evinrude 15hp that runs 100 to 1 on oil to fuel....
Thanks for the comment! Yes, I'd heard that they went to 100:1 in the 80's. Do you still have the auto Oil Injection system mounted in the gas tank Eddie? I'd heard they failed a lot and trashed the power heads, and OMC recommended people go back to 50:1 premix. My Dad and I just believe in running the motor on what the manufacturer recommended, regardless of 'oil grade', which for my Javelin is 24/25:1. Later 60's motors after I think 1964 went to 50:1. Someone told me if one couldn't afford a quart of oil, you're too poor to go boating lol. Cheers Eddie!~ Bellarmine
Cooooool.
Cooool is right Ronald, glad you liked it! Just took the boat out for the Winter yesterday, still running like a Swiss watch, as always. Thanks for the comment, Cheers!~ Bellarmine
The oldest motor I seen was a 1958 Johnson 25 mule master
I have a nice 6 gallon old pressure tank I would like to sell, and a 2 line fitting for the motor since I converted mine to a single line fuel system
Those old motors will last a long time only in fresh water saltwater I extremely hard
You're right, saltwater is a whole different ballgame. My Javelin is still running as good as the video, probably last me the rest of my own lifetime, already been around a few generations..:o) I actually have a 40HP in my other videos, going to fix it up soon. Thanks for your comments Lucien - Cheers!~ Bellarmine
my motor is a RDE19C, a 1958
+Richard Degen Just sent you a PM, hope you enjoy it! Bellarmine
40 hp was the largest hp made
Man thay do not make them like this no m8
You're right, oldies but goodies. These can be had for a song, I'm still trying to convince my neighbor to buy a simple 1960's Johnson after they've spent a couple thousand repairing their 1988 Johnson 30HP electronic-marvel, and now it's dead again. Nothing but trouble since they bought it. Going waterskiing behind the reliable Javelin and seeing it start up EVERY time is going a long way to making an impression on them - I think I spent $300 parts, that's it. Look at my other videos for a beautiful 1961 40HP I'm going to get running soon, and a running 1957 Evinrude 18hp beater. Thanks for the comment - Cheers!
Yeah I always agree with the oldest I've got a 1945 5 horsepower Montgomery Ward Sea King I put $120 into it and it's not let me down yet I also have a 1955 Johnson seahorse and love them both of course those two moter only go on the back of this John boat me and my wife restored it's also on Montgomery Wards 1964 the date stamp on it
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I uploaded two pictures of them now I know the Sea King isn't the original color but it runs great
The '56 Johnson Javelin was butt ugly compared to the '57 model! That's the one that outboard collectors covet.
Runs great!!! Id be concerned however running a 55 year old motor wide open for any long rides.
Thanks for the comment Dominick! I wouldn't worry about it, just took it for a 45m drive a few weeks ago. It's just machinery, gears and bearings, all in good working order, so long as I keep it in good repair and continue to use the proper oil to gas mixture (24:1), it should reasonably keep on trucking for another 50 years. Also I have it on good authority that it sat in the family's boathouse from the mid 70's until I came along in 2011, so that's a good 35 years of wear that didn't happen......:o) The older they are the better I like 'em - cheers Dominick!~ Bellarmine
LOVE IT !!!!
Glad you enjoyed it Andrew, thanks for the comment! It's still driving as good as the video, can't believe it's been 11 years already since I got 'er running, time flies...:o) Cheers!~ Bellarmine