It's crazy to think that they or anyone else knows how every part works, how to maintain every machine, and how to repair every inch in that huge facility. Much respect for them, and people like them. I wish I knew anything as well as they know their job. Great video
Yea, try reading up a bit about how printing works and you'll see how deep this cave is :D I study graphic design at a more technical oriented uni (my faculty is a branch of one), so we had to study all the little technicalities of the trade. And man are there many of them, from how you get millions of colours by using 4 base ones by rasterizing, or how all the complicated machinery manages to make thousands of copies an hour while still precisely printing billions of micrometer sized points on the paper.
rootbro I definitely get where you're coming from. I wish they'd have a little more class than that, but at the same time I can understand why they're like that. Obviously feeling the pressure of being backed into a corner. They know their jobs are crawling to the end. I think it's natural to be defensive when you know the end is just around the corner
That sense of pride that American workers had for their company and the products they made is now completely gone. Nice to see that pride here though :)
Maybe pride in what you do is completely gone, but definitely don't say american's don't take pride in their work. Try talking to any american who works in military, manufacturing, cargo, construction, business, or anything else and I guarantee you'll find proud ass people. You're comment shows how little you know about the american working class. Snarky prick.
Yeah, I agree but I just get the feeling that all of this under appreciation and underpaid stuff has paved the road for workers to much easily lose that pride they might of once had.
You most likely have a well paid job of YOUR choice have been having it for a few years now. You probably don't have a job you were forced to take because it was your last option. Do you think someone in manufacturing that is currently being forced out of work by American companies would live each day with lots of pride or would live each day in fear? Im sure it's fear buddy. When a person is forced to change jobs often they usually don't have a big sense of pride in what they do like workers had in the 60's 70's and 80's. Every worker was appreciated for their skills and what they brought to the company and hence the workers stayed there for years and had that chance to develop that sense of pride. Example, the workers in this video who have been working for NYT for over 20 years. Now go ask a McDonalds, Walmart, Target, employee if they have pride in what they do given how disposable and under appreciated they are by the companies.
Yes, people who work really really hard are proud of what they do. In jobs like McDonalds, where the consequences of failure are not falling planes, breaking bridges, lost wars, etc, why should those positions be equivalent?
Andrew West I'm not saying that a job at mcdonalds should be equivalent to, for example, a job at Lockheed Martin. What I am saying is that once you allow one sector of the work force to be under appreciated by the companies in that sector, like an infection, it quickly spreads to other sectors of the work force. So, when you once were a valued worker (even earning minimum wage) in the 80s, now in most industries you're just disposable, employee number 497 in the excel spread sheet. The American worker isn't at fault obviously, the people responsible for this are the American companies for losing respect for their workers and the Government for being so complacent.
My grandpa worked at the printing press for almost 60 years. Told me it was the toughest job he ever had. Had chunks of skin missing from his hands and paper cuts so deep that they needed to be sealed with krazy glue😂. He says it taught him the benefits of hard labor and meet many good friends through it. Very dangerous as he lost several people to the machines. Told me it was a good paying job, but with newspapers going out of style, it was a dying industry. He was one of the few left at the factory but retired soon after he turned 60. Not months later that factory went bankrupt and was shutdown for good. Still even though he’s happily enjoy his retirement, the few companies that are left invite him for his experience. He says he feels bad for the industry, but it’s a waste of paper and other resources.
As someone from outside the US, when I think about a pretty American job I think about something like this. Great to see that print is not dead and still people work with pride.
I respect the shit out of these guys. i do something similar and is not easy at all. like he said you learn so many things along the way that u cant teach it to someone just like that.
OUtkast19782007 That's kind of cool. Do you need some kind of engineering degree in order to work on those machines and know what every part of them does? Also, where do you learn those things about those big printing machines? Are there books about that, or is every machine very different than the other and depends on the manufacturer?
I wanted to be a FDNY Firefighter (I'm British) so I used to consume a lot of videos about it from official documentaries to videos made in the fire houses by the personnel. I was struck by how they were also consumed by their job and NY, they treated the city like it was alive. I then watched something about sewage workers in NY, and they were the same. It was their life and NY was a living breathing creature to them. I've seen plenty more about subway workers/steel workers/waste collectors/NYPD etc and they all approach their jobs and the city like the above. Like these workers here, Just listen and there is something in their voice and how they speak about their jobs and the city that you rarely hear else where. I mean is it just me or do New Yorkers have a different approach to working?
Radical Edwards Yeah I didn't mean to generalise, But even when they don't like there is something there that you don't find here. But NY is a brand too so I think that perpetuates how they view and talk about their city
Great observation. I think the same about New Yorkers and how they approach there Work life. They take pride and have integrity in what they do. I think those characteristics and work ethics run deep from the old days of the early immigrants that came to this country. Especially in the blue collar workforce. Hard work, loyalty, respect, camaraderie, trustworthy, things almost absent in today’s society.
Respect to these gentlemen. Most people will never understand what these guys go through every day. I lived (literally) in a print-shop as a repairman for 30 years. Cheers.
Industrial Mechanic buddy. That is a good place to work, but the industry is good - and when shit goes down at the factory its like we go to war together. Sometimes big hours, paid well, forced to use your mind to solve problems. In Canada where I work, employers involved in resource extraction pay very well.
@@HashimAziz1 not great. But it's liveable. We're underpaid and overworked. I do it because I love it. But managerial problems are more why I wanna get out of this trade
I am a industrial maintenance technician who works on an automotive press and welding robots. I wish more videos would show teenagers my craft. If your in high school and dont know what to do in life, think about maintenance. Its a rewarding carrier that I love. And lets face it these old dudes cant do automation like us young punks!! If you like video games you can learn robotics and automation in a snap.
It depends where you live. In Ontario, Canada full rate for licenced ndustrial maintenance personnel (millwrights and electricians) ranges from around $30-$40 CAD/hour. Some people make a little more or a little less than that. There is often lots of opportunity for overtime as well, because often major maintenance projects can only take place when the plant isn't running.
I'm 28. Went from driving a forklift in a print factory to being hired as an electrical maint apprentice couple years ago, very thankful for the opportunity to be part of the crew.
Im 20 and I've been working as a manufacturing engineer through my university at a John Deere assembly plant in Canada. I get to work real close with technicians (machinists/trades) and get to learn all that they know to help make the future of machinery better. Coolest of the cool work in my opinion, pays nice too. If you're good at school and can really put in the challenging long hours to get to this place I'd say its the way to go.
Despite living in a disposable society, the art of repair is still practiced on the margins of our tech obsessed culture. We went to the New York Times printing plant in Queens to meet the dying breed of repairmen who fix older machines.
Why insult our entire society and say it's disposable? Why can't y'all make a video without taking snarky bashes at society? Really pretentious stuff. Repair only happens on the margins of society? What? So when my gutter busts ill buy a new house? Instead of changing my cars oil filter i buy a new car every 3500 miles? Ditch my cellphone the day it cracks? Oh right that's why everybody abandoned New Orleans when Katrina hit, right? Because the average folks in our society are just such throwaway zombies? Everyday people all over the place are fixing everything around them, sounds like the Motherboard writer's are who don't do their fair share of wrench twisting haha.
"The satisfactions of manifesting oneself concretely in the world through manual competence have been known to make a man quiet and easy. They seem to relieve him of the felt need to offer chattering interpretations of himself to vindicate his worth. He can simply point: the building stands, the car now runs, the lights are on. Boasting is what a boy does, because he has no real effect in the world. But the tradesman must reckon with the infallible judgment of reality, where one’s failures or shortcomings cannot be interpreted away. His well-founded pride is far from the gratuitous “self-esteem” that educators would impart to students, as though by magic." - Matthew B. Crawford, Shop Class as Soulcraft (2009).
@Tapirus Sbrabous Having been a toolmaker and manufacturer for over 50 years, I can understand your disappointment. At the end of my work day I can look at something which didn't exist just hours ago. Many of the parts that I make are of stainless steel, and I get some private satisfaction knowing that some of these pieces will still exist somewhere hundreds of years from now. Petty, maybe---but it still gives me a buzz.
Wish came true. The downside is that their struggles are being used by the international and domestic left to gain more clout in the political arena. Pros and cons to everything, huh? 🤷🏻♂️
Yep, it's a lost art, my grandfather is a press repairman and he loves it, sad that it is slowly getting phased out, but because so little people even know this job exists he usually travels across the world. Anywhere from Anaheim CA to Argentina in South America, or even Moscow Russia. It takes a special type of person to be willing to work in this field.
I grew up in a print shop. A small family run with five employees. Offset and letterpress. A camera room and typesetting (Ludlow, Linotype). I love the smell of a print shop. Anyway, these are the big boys. The complexity of the four color presses is amazing, and how precisely they can place print on a page exactly where it belongs is even more amazing.
Just love it. My grandpa' was a newspaper printer. That´s life, man. The speed of the paper rolling during the night. I grew up in such an environment. THANK YOU!
My dad was a compositor at the Pittsburgh Press in the late 50's and took me to work several times for the day...I have no clue on the names of the machines, but let me say, I have vivid memories of the power and elegance of that press as it rolled up into a production run...thunder beyond a little kids imagination, oil and paper smells mixed with melting lead and lithograph presses heating and imprinting, and the wonderful thunder that froze my little feet to the ground until I was back in my shoes...wonderful experience and you folks hold the ground for keeping THE FOURTH ESTATE distributing, even though you have no influence on the content. International Typographical Union is with great honor in belonging...
I study graphic design at a more technical oriented university so we had to learn all about these printing machines and the printing process. It's extremely complicated, technical, precise and fast at the same time! In order to achieve a quality print you need to know physics and chemistry of the paper, the ink, the printing plate, the machinery of the printing press and how it all interacts. It's downright impressive and a proof of human ingenuity to see these almost completely mechanical machines churn out quality newspapers (as in, quality of the print) in the thousands :D
I love it; people are complaining about how the NYT is a propaganda paper when this isn't about the paper. It's about people who are just doing their jobs - and their jobs involve this paper. I think it's both insane and awesome that it seems to be 3 people running the whole show; insane because there's so many parts, and awesome because there's so many moving parts. It doesn't matter who you support, what newspapers suck and which ones don't, or which ones are propaganda or not; at the end of the day, this video is still badass.
Nicolas Vo Um what makes you think that? If sounds nothing like Koyannisqutsi. It may be Glass-esque but not anything from the life out of balance trilogy.
I work as a maintenance tech in a Shelving manufacturing company in Nebraska and it was really cool to see the way these guys handle and talk about their job. Loved seeing the similarities and differences between my job and theirs
They're so happy to share their job with someone. It's very refreshing. You can see the delight on their faces that they get to share their dying craft with the world.
Man, I miss working on a printing press. Printing is a trade that keeps you on your toes, but unfortunately, it's also a dying trade. In my city there were 3 printshops, now, all shut down.
Well jobs can have intrinsic rewards (pride, challenge, purpose, flow)that reduce the amount of extrinsic (money, perks, etc.) compensation required to find someone willing to do the job. That's why teachers and social workers don't make anywhere close to their societal value in monetary terms, because the intrinsic benefits are, theoretically, enough to make up the difference (of course in practice its often a soul sucking job most of the time and idealists end up burning out). The reverse is also true, i.e. investment banking pay doesn't start at 120k a year because it takes a genius to do it, because its literally just simple arithmetic in excel + powerpoint 99.99% of the time. IB pays so much because the job itself is so meaningless people wouldn't do it without making enough to numb the pain with cocaine and hookers.
their paid well because the knowledge they hold is not something that can be replaced in a typical training course. same reason a good painter bodyman or mechanic gets paid over 100k a year
As a mechanic I really enjoyed this video thinking I share a lot in common with these guys. There are some parts that I have to get creative with in order to repair.
Khu NoPie what the fuck is it with you? Have you not read history or something. How can you write such a comment without your shame preventing you from posting it?
Khu NoPie People with half a brain filter out that liberal slant and form their own opinions. They're not like the boomers who watch Fox News and take it as fact.
I love the pride, and do enjoy the NY times. I always enjoyed reading the paper more than reading on my tablet. Its a much more emotional connection and its a bit more social too.
Don Dan can you give some examples of times when the NYT has reported objective lies? And not editorials either because editorials are just subjective opinions.
@@RhynoPhreak correct..i have the Heidelberg QM 46 components, gears, chains, rollers, pressure settings burned in my memory from a decade of printing and fixing. All digital now..not the same.
Pity this video was so short, a longer segment could have been really interesting. Hard to believe Jerry Greaney was living in The US for at least 31years. He sounds like he never left Limerick Ireland.
8:24 pretty sure he just said "dead ass." These guys are masters of a disappearing art form. My grandfather was a printer in the 1940/50s, and he always said it was not an easy job. Great to see them get some well deserved recognition.
Hats off to the tradesmen. Who aren't afraid of a hard days work. They are the real reason a factory runs. The only indispensable people in the building. No one can do what they do.
Great Film. I'm a "Machinist" on a printing press. It was good to show the family what we go through and how filth ink is. I'm in Australia so we are "Maintenance Fitters". I agree with the electrics, Mostly magic, Don't let the smoke out.
BlueSuzy millwright or maintenance technician is what they’d be called in the USA. A machinist not the correct title for this video at all. I’m very surprised no people are commenting this.
Machinist/industrial mechanic/millwright/tinkerer/tender/welder/troubleshooter/magician ! You guys are a very special breed of people that have my utmost respect. As a licenced industrial mechanic/millwright in a very large brewery the machines and processes may me different but after 40 years in the trade I know exactly what you mean of the knowledge and tricks you learn along the way. We are the industrialised versions of " Scotty ", the only one called in a crisis. Good luck. I hope the Times is running long after you all retire. '
This is a very good story! It's nice to hear guys talk about their work place in such a positive way. You can seethe pride they have in the work they do.
sorry guys you are maintenance mechanics, not machinists. I have been a maintenance mechanic as well doing the same job as you, but just fixing CNC machines instead. Now, I am an actual machinist using CNC machines to make parts with a 50 millionths tolerance. Don't misuse the term. A machinist is not someone who replaces parts on a machine and maintains them. If that were the case, then auto mechanics are now machinists because a car is a machine! Now, if you had a broken shaft, and you went on a lathe and a mill and made that shaft or welded it back up and machined it to spec, then yes you'd be a machinist. But I will say that they seem like a good crew to work with.
I'm part of the cross-over: we learned the mechanical troubleshooting and repair from the old school guys ( *much respect* : dying breed), then taught ourselves the electrical and *new school electronic* troubleshooting and repair. Finally, we poked and prodded deep into the systems and learned the programming, scripting and tweaks that take it to the next level. These are the guys that keep everything running at every level. Fantastic video!
The joy a pressman is his print quality. He and his dress may become filthy with oil and ink but his focus remains on proper registry, cut off and good quality paper. Printing, the most underrated unsung profession.
@@adsensedd Free press?? It is owned by Carlos Slim the Mexican billionaire, and the editorial policy is hard line left wing all of the time, every day. There is nothing democratic or politically balanced about it. It's basically an information outlet for only one segment of the political spectrum. That's not news, that's propaganda.
Robertt Avro the nyt has fantastic journalism and when looked at objectively only skews slightly liberal. If you want objective news and reporting then you need to go somewhere like Reuters or the associated press or NPR or the Wall Street journal all of which are highly objective and accurate sources of information. The press is the enemy of tyrannical governments, not the people, free press exists to report what is really happening to the people. Don't let government officials trick you into thinking otherwise
@@maxkordon Sorry Max, I disagree with that statement. I find the NYT to be pushing a far left wing "narrative" that never ends. Stories like that one from a few days back entitled "Maybe They are all Just Bad People" in reference to right wingers is typical of the intolerant ideologues who now write for them. They may have been a trustworthy and balanced news source in the past, but no more. It's a form of leftist propaganda imo, not news.
Cool story! It reminds me of my own story. I’v owned my own HVAC business for 25 years and I haven’t had a chance to work on equipment for the last 15 years. A few years ago we hired a new kid and he’s been learning from the other techs. In the last few months he and I have been talking more and I’v gotten to know him better. As I’m getting older I’m finding that I need less of everything including money. Anyways I decided I’d take the kid under my wing and started going on service calls with him to pass on the knowledge that he needs and I just don’t use anymore since I’m running a business and and not working out in the field anymore. What I found out is that I really enjoy being a technician and passing on knowledge to the next generation. Funny the way life has come full circle.
Now, we need seasoned level-headed widely knowledgeable and experienced DIGITAL craftsmen to repair online media driven by likes, trending, popularity, retweeting, shares etc. in our 'digital narcissism' world of endless selfies, subscribers and followers. A place where many only go online with a PHONE, no keyboard, and their voice and opinions can only be tapped out on a tiny touchpad in 140 characters or less. Freedom of the press goes to the man who owns one, or a big server farm.
Looks like the Times never upgraded their operations. The modern printing presses from MAN use maybe one third of the space and run a lot faster. Like 10 newspapers per second.
I'm at the Newport Newstimes I've printed here for about ten years I know what these guys are talking about and feel the same way. It starts to brush off on you and it's in your vanes.work ethic that not everyone has anymore.
I spent 10 years in middle school, high school, and college working on a freightliner with my dad. There's a real beauty and zen to fixing a machine that big and complicated. And that one guy's comment about it taking years to get to any kind of real understanding for what's what, could not be more true.
google "machinist"... they are what we call here in Canada "adjusters" or "mechanics"... machinists are the people who MAKE the parts they are ADJUSTING...
it's like calling a Phillips screwdriver a "star" screwdriver... I've been a machinist and I've also worked at an envelope factory as an adjuster/mechanic after that... completely different jobs... there are also "millwrights" which is a machinist that can also work on boilers/electric etc... takes four years of being an apprentice/going to school to be a "machinist" here, another four to become a millwright or a tool & die maker... the job above requires none of that... as long as you're a bit handy with tools, anyone could do it...
ma·chin·ist məˈSHēnəst/ noun "a person who operates a machine, especially a machine tool." "a person who makes or repairs machinery." google is your friend.
I started working on big machines right out of high school and worked on them for about 7 years. I know the feeling knowing the sounds when something is wrong, holding a motor with one had and turning the wrench with the other or just need to be precise when turning a pin just right. After watching this video, I miss doing so and wished I kept doing it. I admire this guys alot for doing this and best part they seem to love what they do. People like them are a dying breed, takes someone special to work on these kinds of machines.
Mauro Tamm How would that help? A few thou is about one hundredth of a mm. Measurement standards aren't what's hurting this industry and furthermore, it's pretty easy to just do conversions in your head.
and what skill level is that? lathe operation? CNC programming? knowledge of metals? wildcat is right, these guys do repairs and maintenance on in house machines, which is a millright. I liked this video but i was expecting something entirely different when i read the title.
we use lathe, milling machine, surface grinders, all sorts of boring and broaching,plenty of knowledge of metals for shafting and the maching of brackets that we are un able to get through the manufactures. bearing heaters honing of bores, hand scraping indian heads. indicating motors and drive shafts on high speed equipment. I can go on for hours on what we do.
Exactly, they are millwrights. Jack of all trades. Millwrights are trained to maintain and repair equipment as well as manufacture one off parts with manual lathes and milling machines. We troubleshoot electrical, pneumatic and hydraulic systems. We maintain precision systems such as steam and natural gas turbines. We weld and are expected to understand metallurgy. A machinist does none of the maintenance and overall tasks carried out by these craftsmen on a daily basis. However, the trade system in America has little recognition for one of the oldest trades out there.
Scott Coffey a machinist is a person who works with lathes, milling machines, surface grinders and various other metal shaping machines. Usually located in a shop. These guys are clearly millwrights. They are responsible for the health of the various machines around the New York Times.
These dudes should just run their own news paper about normal people shit. They could run it and write it. It'd be way more captivating and real than any of the dog shit the NY times pumps out.
My mother worked for a newspaper. She had to drive out of town to the printing press and make sure the paper printed didn't have flaws, and if it did, had to wait till it is fixed until checking again, before giving the go ahead on the print. This was done overnight, since she had to be back in town with all the papers at 5am in the morning. It is like a fire when things break because so many people are on a tight schedule, and throws everyone's schedule out of wack like a domino effect. Has to be a stressful job.
Thank you for this. There is such a difference between talking about a machine and knowing a machine and taking care of a machine and the people that are around you.
USA calls them (fitter) machinists. Canada calls them Millwrights. Some commonwealth countries call them Fitters, or maintenance fitters. They are essentially all Industrial Mechanics. Good trade, I'm proud to have it.
they are not machinists. it's not the right term for the work. they are maintenance mechanics. All they do is maintain machines, respond to issues, and swap parts and make sure everything is running to spec. at no point are they machinists machining parts.
"All they do is maintain machines, respond to issues, and swap parts and make sure everything is running to spec." There is alot more to the job than that, I wish it was that easy. What if maintenance planner fucks up and there aren't any spares in stock / if there OEM is out of business. Sometimes its better to machine/fabricate a part than to order one in. Then the maintenance fitter needs a whole new skill set tig/stick/mig welding or depending on the job machine a part from stock or reverse engineer a worn part because there aren't any drawings of it. They work in thousandths of an inch(thou) so they would likely have surface/cylindrical grinders in their shop which can be a whole other level of nightmarish stress if your working in hundreds of a millionth of an inch. A maintenance fitter has the skills of at least three trades to get the job done
Kenny CanHe I know, you must have not seen my original comment and no reason why you should have seen it. I said that I have been a maintenance mechanic doing exactly as they are doing but on CNC machines, and I am an actual machinist now and my every day tolerance is 50 millionths so a thou is a mile in my world. I did say that if they didn't have a part to replace something like a shaft and they went on a lathe and a mill to make it, or welded a broken part back together and machine it back to spec then they would in fact be machinists. but at no point did they say that they machine parts. they're calling themselves machinists because they make machines run smooth.
I love how real they are. They aren't unrealistic and understand they are in a dying industry but still take pride in their work. Even if newspapers go away, their skills will continue to be in demand.
Trade schools should be explained as viable options in high school. I was told you either go to college or work at McDonalds. Such non sense my Dad has a similar job as these guys just different Machines makes over 100k a year never paid a penny on student loans.
Beautifully told both visually and the story. The photographers had a great time, that you can tell and were very creative within this small world. The shot( shot on an Osmo cam?) was amazing and a very clean and effective way of doing an intro shot of the three gentlemen.
I can't speak for this machinery, but I know that maintenance workers for some precision equipment don't wear gloves because disposable ones are to fragile(even 9mm ones quickly stretch too thin and may shred) and non-disposable ones are too rigid, not to mention lower tangibility ...If nothing else the NYT must cut costs
I work in a typography. So I know what it takes to make those copies. All the swears and imprecations in restrict north Italian accent when something does not work. When the paper brakes, or when line stops. We have a similar issue since the 24 pages KBA is old now. The quality is good, but the machine is hold together by the color. Specially the yellow. We don't print news papers but we print flyers, magazines, covers. The news paper printing is focused on producing only the news paper, they don't have much time, but is more restricted, unlike where I work. We change paper, since we have a variety of jobs to do. We work on shift, usually 4 x 6 days. Starting from Sunday 23:45 to Saturday 24:00. The machines are from Germany, they are closed in a respective room to reduce the noise.
And only if the journalists writing for NYT cared as much about not digging their own grave then these guys could have a job 15 years from now. They won't.
Christobanistan the black sun is a symbol often used by the ss during the nazi era. It's also frequently used by neo-nazis because most average people don't recognize it. Yeah, I'm sure it is
My Dad has worked at the newspaper longer than any of them he has worked for 47 years now and is still working and he’s 65 years old and the press at his newspaper place is from 1970 when the building was built and that press still works like a charm.
I'm a machinist, (different line of work though) have been for two years now. I'm a quick learner and I've learned so much about each of the machines I work on and the parts I make--yet there's still plenty for me to learn and things to perfect. I love it here, I was lucky to get in at a young age (19) and I'm probably gonna stay for life if I can make it work. It is so much better and more fulfilling than customer service for sure.
Dying breed of repairmen? are you having trouble finding a plumber, HVAC technician, or auto mechanic or something? Are you used to simply buying a new car anytime the oil needs changing, or the radiator leaks? What do you do in this "disposable society" when the plumbing or Air conditioning breaks in your house, tear it down and build a new one?
Well as processes become more complicated, repairmen will die out. Let's take the new Audis for example. It breaks the warranty if you lift the grid plate off the engine because of "high voltage" lines running along it. All diagnostics are performed by a computer and repairs will occur in specialized repair facilities. Where do you take your electric or hybrid car to get it fixed? Not to any mechanic. I'm not exactly supporting this direction of events but it's surely the future. Some plumbing systems and HVAC system use incredibly complicated Building Automation Systems. Sure you can replace the fan blades but most of the troubleshooting is done by specialized technicians on failed network connections. I really love guys like these ones. I work with them now in the electrical train industry but they won't be there in the future. It makes me sad but it's just the way of the world at this point.
Seth Jones i am in the field of hvac, Refrigeration, and bms system. in order to gain efficiency everything is electronic now. it's just like when you switch from carburetor to efi to obd 1 and then to obd2. i have a chiller that think it's freezing up when it's actually not. why? because the programmer map the alarm to the wrong path. all of them. i rather work on the older unit add they're more simple. i don't think my company could justify the training cost of the more modern machines as we don't have any of it. this such as trans critical co2 refrigeration, liquids bromide system, etc etc.
Seth Jones i am in the field of hvac, Refrigeration, and bms system. in order to gain efficiency everything is electronic now. it's just like when you switch from carburetor to efi to obd 1 and then to obd2. i have a chiller that think it's freezing up when it's actually not. why? because the programmer map the alarm to the wrong path. all of them. i rather work on the older unit add they're more simple. i don't think my company could justify the training cost of the more modern machines as we don't have any of it. this such as trans critical co2 refrigeration, liquids bromide system, etc etc.
Journeyman Reefer yeah, but OBDII gives you tons of diagnostic data quickly and efficiently. I n some ways, working on an OBDII equipped car is easier than an old ore OBDI car because it will tell you up front what everything is doing. Back in the 1970's you needed a huge piece of diagnostic equipment to measure only a small fraction of what modern scanners can do. Working on pre OBDI cars is an art form. You can get a tune up done by ear and feel. That requires experience younger techs don't have. OBDI is for me the hardest to deal with. Nothing was standardized between manufacturers. The scanner equipment designed to work with OBDI required lots of adapters and it's all obsolete and hard to find. Nobody at my shop has the scan tools to deal with OBDI because we don't get enough customers that daily drive a car older than 1996.
I really miss the 20 years I spent working for RR Donnelley, printing catalogs. It was a craft that we worked hard at, and took a lot of pride in. Will never forget running a commercial offset press, 6 crewmembers to run a press, 40 million dollars of steel running at 3000 fpm.
I know as a Maintenance Supervisor/ Tech , i love to work with my Mind and Hands every Day . the Job Pays well and with Automation comming to every corner its a Good Job to Have . Electrical / Mechanical / Engineering / Refrigeration / Boilers . Being able to Diagnose Equipment is a skill . most people will never see it . the trick is to keeping things running with out missing a beat. Great Story !!!
I worked as a temp in many factories, a few similar to this place. I always liked hanging out with the mill rights and machinists best....usually the smartest and most interesting people in the whole place.
pathetic, you really think that we are the sheep? when you live by youtube rules. you play minecraft for gods sake. no one will ever take you serious but you 12 year old "fans"
My great grandfather was the first person chartered to work at our local print plant, various uncles/aunts worked there over the years. 18 months before my grandfather was set to retire, the outsourced the jobs, and shut the plant down. When I was in middle school, my Dad, worked in a very small print shop in the next town, and during the summers and after school, or weekends, i would go there and work right beside him. I miss those days, wish i could do it again. I would actually pay to go work with these outstanding men, for just one day. They have my respect from the bottom of my heart. If there was one thing I could wish for, it would have to be, that every once in a while, when you glace at those gossip magazines at the grocery store, or get those coupon flyers in the mail, just take a real quick second to think about all the work that went into making them. Show these guys the respect they deserve. They are truly the last of a dying breed.
I never really appreciated machining until I ran a engine lathe. Using all the levers and all. Been machining for 8 years now. Stressful but also rewarding.
It's crazy to think that they or anyone else knows how every part works, how to maintain every machine, and how to repair every inch in that huge facility. Much respect for them, and people like them. I wish I knew anything as well as they know their job.
Great video
ducks to be me, cuz I'll be the type to purposely fuck them over for a day off😂👍
Yea, try reading up a bit about how printing works and you'll see how deep this cave is :D
I study graphic design at a more technical oriented uni (my faculty is a branch of one), so we had to study all the little technicalities of the trade. And man are there many of them, from how you get millions of colours by using 4 base ones by rasterizing, or how all the complicated machinery manages to make thousands of copies an hour while still precisely printing billions of micrometer sized points on the paper.
you spend 30 years in a building your gunna learn every single part eventually
Metalpug79 Imagine their job security and bargaining abilities
rootbro I definitely get where you're coming from. I wish they'd have a little more class than that, but at the same time I can understand why they're like that. Obviously feeling the pressure of being backed into a corner. They know their jobs are crawling to the end. I think it's natural to be defensive when you know the end is just around the corner
That sense of pride that American workers had for their company and the products they made is now completely gone. Nice to see that pride here though :)
Maybe pride in what you do is completely gone, but definitely don't say american's don't take pride in their work. Try talking to any american who works in military, manufacturing, cargo, construction, business, or anything else and I guarantee you'll find proud ass people. You're comment shows how little you know about the american working class. Snarky prick.
Yeah, I agree but I just get the feeling that all of this under appreciation and underpaid stuff has paved the road for workers to much easily lose that pride they might of once had.
You most likely have a well paid job of YOUR choice have been having it for a few years now. You probably don't have a job you were forced to take because it was your last option. Do you think someone in manufacturing that is currently being forced out of work by American companies would live each day with lots of pride or would live each day in fear? Im sure it's fear buddy. When a person is forced to change jobs often they usually don't have a big sense of pride in what they do like workers had in the 60's 70's and 80's. Every worker was appreciated for their skills and what they brought to the company and hence the workers stayed there for years and had that chance to develop that sense of pride. Example, the workers in this video who have been working for NYT for over 20 years. Now go ask a McDonalds, Walmart, Target, employee if they have pride in what they do given how disposable and under appreciated they are by the companies.
Yes, people who work really really hard are proud of what they do. In jobs like McDonalds, where the consequences of failure are not falling planes, breaking bridges, lost wars, etc, why should those positions be equivalent?
Andrew West I'm not saying that a job at mcdonalds should be equivalent to, for example, a job at Lockheed Martin. What I am saying is that once you allow one sector of the work force to be under appreciated by the companies in that sector, like an infection, it quickly spreads to other sectors of the work force. So, when you once were a valued worker (even earning minimum wage) in the 80s, now in most industries you're just disposable, employee number 497 in the excel spread sheet. The American worker isn't at fault obviously, the people responsible for this are the American companies for losing respect for their workers and the Government for being so complacent.
My grandpa worked at the printing press for almost 60 years. Told me it was the toughest job he ever had. Had chunks of skin missing from his hands and paper cuts so deep that they needed to be sealed with krazy glue😂. He says it taught him the benefits of hard labor and meet many good friends through it. Very dangerous as he lost several people to the machines. Told me it was a good paying job, but with newspapers going out of style, it was a dying industry. He was one of the few left at the factory but retired soon after he turned 60. Not months later that factory went bankrupt and was shutdown for good. Still even though he’s happily enjoy his retirement, the few companies that are left invite him for his experience. He says he feels bad for the industry, but it’s a waste of paper and other resources.
what were his other jobs?
As someone from outside the US, when I think about a pretty American job I think about something like this.
Great to see that print is not dead and still people work with pride.
I respect the shit out of these guys. i do something similar and is not easy at all. like he said you learn so many things along the way that u cant teach it to someone just like that.
do you work at a printing facility too? :)
Brian Yes I run the copy center for a big private company and sometimes to save time from calling a tech I do my owning fixing.
OUtkast19782007 That's kind of cool. Do you need some kind of engineering degree in order to work on those machines and know what every part of them does? Also, where do you learn those things about those big printing machines? Are there books about that, or is every machine very different than the other and depends on the manufacturer?
That's nice :) i work with printing machines aswell but those are smaller ones and called inkjet printer all digital..
B V shut it down, the New York SLIMES is Overrated, Save the Trees!
I wanted to be a FDNY Firefighter (I'm British) so I used to consume a lot of videos about it from official documentaries to videos made in the fire houses by the personnel.
I was struck by how they were also consumed by their job and NY, they treated the city like it was alive.
I then watched something about sewage workers in NY,
and they were the same.
It was their life and NY was a living breathing creature to them.
I've seen plenty more about subway workers/steel workers/waste collectors/NYPD etc and they all approach their jobs and the city like the above.
Like these workers here,
Just listen and there is something in their voice and how they speak about their jobs and the city that you rarely hear else where.
I mean is it just me or do New Yorkers have a different approach to working?
Ethan P no, new yorkers who care about what they do really do go all in
Radical Edwards
Yeah I didn't mean to generalise,
But even when they don't like there is something there that you don't find here.
But NY is a brand too so I think that perpetuates how they view and talk about their city
Ethan P the one who don't care really don't, you should see what the Verizon guy done in my house!!
Radical Edwards
Shit,
Again didn't mean to generalise,
Just what I've seen in comparison to where I live.
Sorry about your house
Great observation. I think the same about New Yorkers and how they approach there Work life. They take pride and have integrity in what they do. I think those characteristics and work ethics run deep from the old days of the early immigrants that came to this country. Especially in the blue collar workforce. Hard work, loyalty, respect, camaraderie, trustworthy, things almost absent in today’s society.
Respect to these gentlemen. Most people will never understand what these guys go through every day. I lived (literally) in a print-shop as a repairman for 30 years. Cheers.
These are the type of coworkers I want some day...
Industrial Mechanic buddy. That is a good place to work, but the industry is good - and when shit goes down at the factory its like we go to war together. Sometimes big hours, paid well, forced to use your mind to solve problems. In Canada where I work, employers involved in resource extraction pay very well.
I worked with welders and printers. For the most part you have your loud, drunks and then you have these guys. Mixed bag
I'm a CNC machinist and we're a thinning breed for sure. Many old great war dogs leaving the industry and few young guys like me getting into it
@@jakepat8603 What's the money like?
@@HashimAziz1 not great. But it's liveable. We're underpaid and overworked. I do it because I love it. But managerial problems are more why I wanna get out of this trade
I am a industrial maintenance technician who works on an automotive press and welding robots. I wish more videos would show teenagers my craft. If your in high school and dont know what to do in life, think about maintenance. Its a rewarding carrier that I love. And lets face it these old dudes cant do automation like us young punks!! If you like video games you can learn robotics and automation in a snap.
How much it paid?
It depends where you live. In Ontario, Canada full rate for licenced ndustrial maintenance personnel (millwrights and electricians) ranges from around $30-$40 CAD/hour. Some people make a little more or a little less than that. There is often lots of opportunity for overtime as well, because often major maintenance projects can only take place when the plant isn't running.
nah bro i don't do piss tests - i'll just stick with making money from anywhere with internet
I'm 28. Went from driving a forklift in a print factory to being hired as an electrical maint apprentice couple years ago, very thankful for the opportunity to be part of the crew.
Im 20 and I've been working as a manufacturing engineer through my university at a John Deere assembly plant in Canada. I get to work real close with technicians (machinists/trades) and get to learn all that they know to help make the future of machinery better. Coolest of the cool work in my opinion, pays nice too. If you're good at school and can really put in the challenging long hours to get to this place I'd say its the way to go.
Despite living in a disposable society, the art of repair is still practiced on the margins of our tech obsessed culture. We went to the New York Times printing plant in Queens to meet the dying breed of repairmen who fix older machines.
"Disposable Society" - yes our entire society is certainly disposable, just throw it all away. Get a new one. :P
Not the best wording. ;)
Motherboard
Going on eBay to buy parts I have manufactured parts for GOSS graphics for the past 30 years no need for eBay anymore
www.sbtgears.co.uk
Why insult our entire society and say it's disposable? Why can't y'all make a video without taking snarky bashes at society? Really pretentious stuff.
Repair only happens on the margins of society? What? So when my gutter busts ill buy a new house? Instead of changing my cars oil filter i buy a new car every 3500 miles? Ditch my cellphone the day it cracks? Oh right that's why everybody abandoned New Orleans when Katrina hit, right? Because the average folks in our society are just such throwaway zombies? Everyday people all over the place are fixing everything around them, sounds like the Motherboard writer's are who don't do their fair share of wrench twisting haha.
Motherboard they're kings of New York
Learn fucking english you morons
The production quality on these deserves a lot more than 15 views.
EDIT: okay nevermind
bam! 224th
MrFishbone111 Where do you recommend getting one's news?
www.theonion.com/
MrFishbone111 I agree, fuck the mainstream media.
ColindaPieman I mean who sit and read new York times
"The satisfactions of manifesting oneself concretely in the world through manual competence have been known to make a man quiet and easy. They seem to relieve him of the felt need to offer chattering interpretations of himself to vindicate his worth. He can simply point: the building stands, the car now runs, the lights are on. Boasting is what a boy does, because he has no real effect in the world. But the tradesman must reckon with the infallible judgment of reality, where one’s failures or shortcomings cannot be interpreted away. His well-founded pride is far from the gratuitous “self-esteem” that educators would impart to students, as though by magic." - Matthew B. Crawford, Shop Class as Soulcraft (2009).
thanks, gonna try it :)
Great quote!
Amen! I read the article which reminded me so much of Zen and The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance that I got back to reading it! Thanks, man :D
@Tapirus Sbrabous Having been a toolmaker and manufacturer for over 50 years, I can understand your disappointment. At the end of my work day I can look at something which didn't exist just hours ago. Many of the parts that I make are of stainless steel, and I get some private satisfaction knowing that some of these pieces will still exist somewhere hundreds of years from now. Petty, maybe---but it still gives me a buzz.
Shut Up!
Damn, that was moving. I wish more media outlets spotlight these sorts of issues involving working class Americans in the future.
Wish came true. The downside is that their struggles are being used by the international and domestic left to gain more clout in the political arena. Pros and cons to everything, huh? 🤷🏻♂️
That was quite beautiful to watch.
Yep, it's a lost art, my grandfather is a press repairman and he loves it, sad that it is slowly getting phased out, but because so little people even know this job exists he usually travels across the world. Anywhere from Anaheim CA to Argentina in South America, or even Moscow Russia. It takes a special type of person to be willing to work in this field.
I grew up in a print shop. A small family run with five employees. Offset and letterpress. A camera room and typesetting (Ludlow, Linotype). I love the smell of a print shop. Anyway, these are the big boys. The complexity of the four color presses is amazing, and how precisely they can place print on a page exactly where it belongs is even more amazing.
As an offset printer for 10 years, these first minutes describing the impression on press are perfect, a tear was shed. thanks guys.
Just love it. My grandpa' was a newspaper printer. That´s life, man. The speed of the paper rolling during the night. I grew up in such an environment. THANK YOU!
clusterguard my grandpa owned a small printing press! Such an awesome environment.
you bet, man! the printing world was fantastic (still is) and a bortherhood, too! You know what I mean! Cheers and Merry-Xmas!!
Well, if you like being dirty, I did it for 20 years. No white anything , sheets, towels ink in your car, hair..........
My dad was a compositor at the Pittsburgh Press in the late 50's and took me to work several times for the day...I have no clue on the names of the machines, but let me say, I have vivid memories of the power and elegance of that press as it rolled up into a production run...thunder beyond a little kids imagination, oil and paper smells mixed with melting lead and lithograph presses heating and imprinting, and the wonderful thunder that froze my little feet to the ground until I was back in my shoes...wonderful experience and you folks hold the ground for keeping THE FOURTH ESTATE distributing, even though you have no influence on the content.
International Typographical Union is with great honor in belonging...
I study graphic design at a more technical oriented university so we had to learn all about these printing machines and the printing process. It's extremely complicated, technical, precise and fast at the same time! In order to achieve a quality print you need to know physics and chemistry of the paper, the ink, the printing plate, the machinery of the printing press and how it all interacts. It's downright impressive and a proof of human ingenuity to see these almost completely mechanical machines churn out quality newspapers (as in, quality of the print) in the thousands :D
You forgot, a waste of natural resources.
You care more about some trees than recycled paper that defends your right to free speech?
Google made me do it there are renewable sources of paper.
Such as straw.
Setting color is learned, can't be taught, you get a feel for it
Weareallbeingwatched Never knew they made paper from straw?
I love it; people are complaining about how the NYT is a propaganda paper when this isn't about the paper. It's about people who are just doing their jobs - and their jobs involve this paper. I think it's both insane and awesome that it seems to be 3 people running the whole show; insane because there's so many parts, and awesome because there's so many moving parts. It doesn't matter who you support, what newspapers suck and which ones don't, or which ones are propaganda or not; at the end of the day, this video is still badass.
The NYT's actually a very respectable paper. Propaganda? Hardly. And I'm a republican.
In case anyone's interested... I think the sequence with violins in the beginning is inspired by Philip Glass's score for Koyaanisqatsi
Nicolas Vo Um what makes you think that? If sounds nothing like Koyannisqutsi. It may be Glass-esque but not anything from the life out of balance trilogy.
@@nedisahonkey I concur. That's certainly a Glass inspired move though
I work as a maintenance tech in a Shelving manufacturing company in Nebraska and it was really cool to see the way these guys handle and talk about their job. Loved seeing the similarities and differences between my job and theirs
I hope they can work there until the place closes down too.
All the Best to Them.
How about the place keep working until they're ready to retire or move to a better job... Yeah?
They're so happy to share their job with someone. It's very refreshing. You can see the delight on their faces that they get to share their dying craft with the world.
"We got the best lookin' paper out there" lol i love it
These guys are the backbone of any big web shop.....excellent video
Man, I miss working on a printing press. Printing is a trade that keeps you on your toes, but unfortunately, it's also a dying trade. In my city there were 3 printshops, now, all shut down.
Donnelly’s?
Very impressed by the work attitude of these engineers. Highly skilled. Great video as it shows the behind the scenes effort that goes on.
well they arent blk
To have happy workers like this they must be paid well.
doodelay
Exactly what I was thinking..so proud and happy for their work..amazing
Well jobs can have intrinsic rewards (pride, challenge, purpose, flow)that reduce the amount of extrinsic (money, perks, etc.) compensation required to find someone willing to do the job. That's why teachers and social workers don't make anywhere close to their societal value in monetary terms, because the intrinsic benefits are, theoretically, enough to make up the difference (of course in practice its often a soul sucking job most of the time and idealists end up burning out). The reverse is also true, i.e. investment banking pay doesn't start at 120k a year because it takes a genius to do it, because its literally just simple arithmetic in excel + powerpoint 99.99% of the time. IB pays so much because the job itself is so meaningless people wouldn't do it without making enough to numb the pain with cocaine and hookers.
their paid well because the knowledge they hold is not something that can be replaced in a typical training course. same reason a good painter bodyman or mechanic gets paid over 100k a year
outer the whole company 3 i bet they dont wotk much
Doodelay Explains Either that, or they simply take pride in their work. Not many people do that anymore.
These are the real men with real jobs. I have always had a lot of respect for such men.
As a mechanic I really enjoyed this video thinking I share a lot in common with these guys. There are some parts that I have to get creative with in order to repair.
Real men who keep the fake liberal news moving
Khu NoPie what the fuck is it with you? Have you not read history or something. How can you write such a comment without your shame preventing you from posting it?
Sebastian Köhler Öberg the NY Times prints Liberal propaganda. That's FAKE NEWS son. Wake UP son.
Khu NoPie People with half a brain filter out that liberal slant and form their own opinions. They're not like the boomers who watch Fox News and take it as fact.
I love the pride, and do enjoy the NY times. I always enjoyed reading the paper more than reading on my tablet. Its a much more emotional connection and its a bit more social too.
I guess you enjoy reading garbage
No that's you dude
so many times they got caught spreading lies and misinformation, sorry but you are what you read
cringe
Don Dan can you give some examples of times when the NYT has reported objective lies? And not editorials either because editorials are just subjective opinions.
Respect to those guys. Last of a dying trade.
Not really dying, There's always something to fix. Doesn't have to be a printing press.
The direct knowledge of fixing 90s printing equipment was what I was referring to.
They're millrights plenty of em around
@@RhynoPhreak correct..i have the Heidelberg QM 46 components, gears, chains, rollers, pressure settings burned in my memory from a decade of printing and fixing. All digital now..not the same.
Pity this video was so short, a longer segment could have been really interesting. Hard to believe Jerry Greaney was living in The US for at least 31years. He sounds like he never left Limerick Ireland.
8:24 pretty sure he just said "dead ass."
These guys are masters of a disappearing art form. My grandfather was a printer in the 1940/50s, and he always said it was not an easy job. Great to see them get some well deserved recognition.
I love how much they love their jobs. It's really sad to know news papers are going to be a thing of the past, pretty soo.
Hats off to the tradesmen. Who aren't afraid of a hard days work. They are the real reason a factory runs. The only indispensable people in the building. No one can do what they do.
Great Film. I'm a "Machinist" on a printing press. It was good to show the family what we go through and how filth ink is. I'm in Australia so we are "Maintenance Fitters". I agree with the electrics, Mostly magic, Don't let the smoke out.
BlueSuzy millwright or maintenance technician is what they’d be called in the USA. A machinist not the correct title for this video at all.
I’m very surprised no people are commenting this.
Machinist/industrial mechanic/millwright/tinkerer/tender/welder/troubleshooter/magician ! You guys are a very special breed of people that have my utmost respect. As a licenced industrial mechanic/millwright in a very large brewery the machines and processes may me different but after 40 years in the trade I know exactly what you mean of the knowledge and tricks you learn along the way. We are the industrialised versions of " Scotty ", the only one called in a crisis. Good luck. I hope the Times is running long after you all retire.
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That's some pride right there in that trade. Hats off to them for keeping a dying art alive.
This is a very good story! It's nice to hear guys talk about their work place in such a positive way. You can seethe pride they have in the work they do.
sorry guys you are maintenance mechanics, not machinists. I have been a maintenance mechanic as well doing the same job as you, but just fixing CNC machines instead. Now, I am an actual machinist using CNC machines to make parts with a 50 millionths tolerance. Don't misuse the term. A machinist is not someone who replaces parts on a machine and maintains them. If that were the case, then auto mechanics are now machinists because a car is a machine! Now, if you had a broken shaft, and you went on a lathe and a mill and made that shaft or welded it back up and machined it to spec, then yes you'd be a machinist. But I will say that they seem like a good crew to work with.
this is very tru my dads a cnc machinest and tool & die maker
same here I make tooling
some people above in the comments were saying that they are actually millwrights as opposed to machinists
Murtagh653 that is precisely what they are. didn't know the term for it.
98raza20 it would be but they're not machining anything. they would have definitely shown that if they were
I'm part of the cross-over: we learned the mechanical troubleshooting and repair from the old school guys ( *much respect* : dying breed), then taught ourselves the electrical and *new school electronic* troubleshooting and repair. Finally, we poked and prodded deep into the systems and learned the programming, scripting and tweaks that take it to the next level. These are the guys that keep everything running at every level. Fantastic video!
Love that noise at 0:33
Chunk chunk chunk chunk chunk.
FirstThirtyMinutes blue lives dont matter
It sounds like a money counter
FirstThirtyMinutes o
Omg hi FTM
As a maintenance fitter / machinest working on older equipment myself I have a lot of respect for the attitude of these gentlemen and what they do
That's my job! I work everyday at 5pm to print the times! HOW COME IVE NEVER SEEN THIS???
I hope they are paid well. So much to know. I was a railroad machinist and locomotives are way simpler but still complex.
Seem like really nice guys
i really love this episode. i really appreciate the guys behind the print media, they do the invisible hardwork for us. thanks Motherboard
my compliments on the camera work
The joy a pressman is his print quality. He and his dress may become filthy with oil and ink but his focus remains on proper registry, cut off and good quality paper. Printing, the most underrated unsung profession.
This was really great.
if only the writers had this much pride in their work...
At this point it is truly a miracle NYT is still running
Saleem Says the guardian was smart making that online transition
You are fucking moron. Democracy needs a free press and the NYT is one of the best in the business. When the press dies, so does democracy.
@@adsensedd Free press?? It is owned by Carlos Slim the Mexican billionaire, and the editorial policy is hard line left wing all of the time, every day. There is nothing democratic or politically balanced about it. It's basically an information outlet for only one segment of the political spectrum. That's not news, that's propaganda.
Robertt Avro the nyt has fantastic journalism and when looked at objectively only skews slightly liberal. If you want objective news and reporting then you need to go somewhere like Reuters or the associated press or NPR or the Wall Street journal all of which are highly objective and accurate sources of information. The press is the enemy of tyrannical governments, not the people, free press exists to report what is really happening to the people. Don't let government officials trick you into thinking otherwise
@@maxkordon Sorry Max, I disagree with that statement. I find the NYT to be pushing a far left wing "narrative" that never ends. Stories like that one from a few days back entitled "Maybe They are all Just Bad People" in reference to right wingers is typical of the intolerant ideologues who now write for them. They may have been a trustworthy and balanced news source in the past, but no more. It's a form of leftist propaganda imo, not news.
Cool story! It reminds me of my own story. I’v owned my own HVAC business for 25 years and I haven’t had a chance to work on equipment for the last 15 years. A few years ago we hired a new kid and he’s been learning from the other techs. In the last few months he and I have been talking more and I’v gotten to know him better. As I’m getting older I’m finding that I need less of everything including money. Anyways I decided I’d take the kid under my wing and started going on service calls with him to pass on the knowledge that he needs and I just don’t use anymore since I’m running a business and and not working out in the field anymore. What I found out is that I really enjoy being a technician and passing on knowledge to the next generation. Funny the way life has come full circle.
Now, we need seasoned level-headed widely knowledgeable and experienced DIGITAL craftsmen to repair online media driven by likes, trending, popularity, retweeting, shares etc. in our 'digital narcissism' world of endless selfies, subscribers and followers. A place where many only go online with a PHONE, no keyboard, and their voice and opinions can only be tapped out on a tiny touchpad in 140 characters or less. Freedom of the press goes to the man who owns one, or a big server farm.
Looks like the Times never upgraded their operations. The modern printing presses from MAN use maybe one third of the space and run a lot faster. Like 10 newspapers per second.
I was expecting subway mechanics before clicking lol.
I'm at the Newport Newstimes I've printed here for about ten years I know what these guys are talking about and feel the same way.
It starts to brush off on you and it's in your vanes.work ethic that not everyone has anymore.
very interesting
It's nice to see people like what they do
these are Mill Wrights, not machinist...
Steve Keller My point exactly.
I spent 10 years in middle school, high school, and college working on a freightliner with my dad. There's a real beauty and zen to fixing a machine that big and complicated. And that one guy's comment about it taking years to get to any kind of real understanding for what's what, could not be more true.
google "machinist"... they are what we call here in Canada "adjusters" or "mechanics"... machinists are the people who MAKE the parts they are ADJUSTING...
You know. Sometimes words in the English language can have more than one meaning.... And some words are used differently depending on the people.
it's like calling a Phillips screwdriver a "star" screwdriver... I've been a machinist and I've also worked at an envelope factory as an adjuster/mechanic after that... completely different jobs... there are also "millwrights" which is a machinist that can also work on boilers/electric etc... takes four years of being an apprentice/going to school to be a "machinist" here, another four to become a millwright or a tool & die maker... the job above requires none of that... as long as you're a bit handy with tools, anyone could do it...
yeah, these dudes aint machinists
RumpLeINtiLINsKinnIN it's like calling a car washer a mechanic...
ma·chin·ist
məˈSHēnəst/
noun
"a person who operates a machine, especially a machine tool."
"a person who makes or repairs machinery."
google is your friend.
I started working on big machines right out of high school and worked on them for about 7 years. I know the feeling knowing the sounds when something is wrong, holding a motor with one had and turning the wrench with the other or just need to be precise when turning a pin just right. After watching this video, I miss doing so and wished I kept doing it. I admire this guys alot for doing this and best part they seem to love what they do. People like them are a dying breed, takes someone special to work on these kinds of machines.
Perhaps moving to metric system would help to begin with. instead of "few thousandth of a inch".
Mauro Tamm How would that help? A few thou is about one hundredth of a mm. Measurement standards aren't what's hurting this industry and furthermore, it's pretty easy to just do conversions in your head.
Mauro Tamm Dude just stop. You're clueless
I've measured bearings down to a ten thousandth of an inch, units do matter so much as the skill of the person doing the measuring
most equipment they are working with are most likely in imperial. no reason to change it other than being elitist.
Mauro Tamm no it won't
Beautiful Video !
Its so nice to see some guys doing HARD work and enjoying it this much !
these guys are millwrights not machinist
I work with these guys we are not millwrights. we are MACHINIST whole different skill level here.
and what skill level is that? lathe operation? CNC programming? knowledge of metals? wildcat is right, these guys do repairs and maintenance on in house machines, which is a millright. I liked this video but i was expecting something entirely different when i read the title.
we use lathe, milling machine, surface grinders, all sorts of boring and broaching,plenty of knowledge of metals for shafting and the maching of brackets that we are un able to get through the manufactures. bearing heaters honing of bores, hand scraping indian heads. indicating motors and drive shafts on high speed equipment. I can go on for hours on what we do.
Exactly, they are millwrights. Jack of all trades. Millwrights are trained to maintain and repair equipment as well as manufacture one off parts with manual lathes and milling machines. We troubleshoot electrical, pneumatic and hydraulic systems. We maintain precision systems such as steam and natural gas turbines. We weld and are expected to understand metallurgy. A machinist does none of the maintenance and overall tasks carried out by these craftsmen on a daily basis. However, the trade system in America has little recognition for one of the oldest trades out there.
Scott Coffey a machinist is a person who works with lathes, milling machines, surface grinders and various other metal shaping machines. Usually located in a shop. These guys are clearly millwrights. They are responsible for the health of the various machines around the New York Times.
Whoever dislikes this doesn't take pride in their work... I'm an AG mechanic. I take pride knowing my work keeps the world fed.
These dudes should just run their own news paper about normal people shit. They could run it and write it. It'd be way more captivating and real than any of the dog shit the NY times pumps out.
My mother worked for a newspaper. She had to drive out of town to the printing press and make sure the paper printed didn't have flaws, and if it did, had to wait till it is fixed until checking again, before giving the go ahead on the print. This was done overnight, since she had to be back in town with all the papers at 5am in the morning. It is like a fire when things break because so many people are on a tight schedule, and throws everyone's schedule out of wack like a domino effect. Has to be a stressful job.
leave it up to vice to produce a misnomer, these men are millrights not machinist. jesus christ
Mike West this motherboard not vice
Just like your saturn is a gm product.
more like Chrysler in the FCA. that's a fairer comparison
@@Suburbanhotrods Motherboard is part of Vice
Thank you for this. There is such a difference between talking about a machine and knowing a machine and taking care of a machine and the people that are around you.
so they are mechanics not machinists..
USA calls them (fitter) machinists. Canada calls them Millwrights. Some commonwealth countries call them Fitters, or maintenance fitters. They are essentially all Industrial Mechanics. Good trade, I'm proud to have it.
they are not machinists. it's not the right term for the work. they are maintenance mechanics. All they do is maintain machines, respond to issues, and swap parts and make sure everything is running to spec. at no point are they machinists machining parts.
"All they do is maintain machines, respond to issues, and swap parts and make sure everything is running to spec." There is alot more to the job than that, I wish it was that easy.
What if maintenance planner fucks up and there aren't any spares in stock / if there OEM is out of business. Sometimes its better to machine/fabricate a part than to order one in.
Then the maintenance fitter needs a whole new skill set tig/stick/mig welding or depending on the job machine a part from stock or reverse engineer a worn part because there aren't any drawings of it.
They work in thousandths of an inch(thou) so they would likely have surface/cylindrical grinders in their shop which can be a whole other level of nightmarish stress if your working in hundreds of a millionth of an inch.
A maintenance fitter has the skills of at least three trades to get the job done
Kenny CanHe I know, you must have not seen my original comment and no reason why you should have seen it. I said that I have been a maintenance mechanic doing exactly as they are doing but on CNC machines, and I am an actual machinist now and my every day tolerance is 50 millionths so a thou is a mile in my world. I did say that if they didn't have a part to replace something like a shaft and they went on a lathe and a mill to make it, or welded a broken part back together and machine it back to spec then they would in fact be machinists. but at no point did they say that they machine parts. they're calling themselves machinists because they make machines run smooth.
I love how real they are. They aren't unrealistic and understand they are in a dying industry but still take pride in their work. Even if newspapers go away, their skills will continue to be in demand.
meh..i give it 5 years before this place shuts down.
Incredible commitment to their trade. I ran press for 5yrs and was a press builders asst for 3yrs. These men are a credit to American know how. 🇺🇸🇺🇸👍👍
Trade schools should be explained as viable options in high school. I was told you either go to college or work at McDonalds. Such non sense my Dad has a similar job as these guys just different Machines makes over 100k a year never paid a penny on student loans.
Beautifully told both visually and the story. The photographers had a great time, that you can tell and were very creative within this small world. The shot( shot on an Osmo cam?) was amazing and a very clean and effective way of doing an intro shot of the three gentlemen.
why not just use gloves?
I mean just rubber gloves come on dude what are you trying to prove ruining your skin?
I can't speak for this machinery, but I know that maintenance workers for some precision equipment don't wear gloves because disposable ones are to fragile(even 9mm ones quickly stretch too thin and may shred) and non-disposable ones are too rigid, not to mention lower tangibility
...If nothing else the NYT must cut costs
I work in a typography. So I know what it takes to make those copies. All the swears and imprecations in restrict north Italian accent when something does not work. When the paper brakes, or when line stops. We have a similar issue since the 24 pages KBA is old now. The quality is good, but the machine is hold together by the color. Specially the yellow. We don't print news papers but we print flyers, magazines, covers. The news paper printing is focused on producing only the news paper, they don't have much time, but is more restricted, unlike where I work. We change paper, since we have a variety of jobs to do. We work on shift, usually 4 x 6 days. Starting from Sunday 23:45 to Saturday 24:00. The machines are from Germany, they are closed in a respective room to reduce the noise.
And only if the journalists writing for NYT cared as much about not digging their own grave then these guys could have a job 15 years from now. They won't.
Einhärjar says the dude with the nazi symbol as a profile picture. I'm sure you *really* care about objective news and journalism
@@maxkordon How sure are you that's a Nazi symbol?
Christobanistan the black sun is a symbol often used by the ss during the nazi era. It's also frequently used by neo-nazis because most average people don't recognize it. Yeah, I'm sure it is
@@maxkordon I nearly reported his logo, but it said my account could be banned if I did so, so I didn't. Now I will.
My Dad has worked at the newspaper longer than any of them he has worked for 47 years now and is still working and he’s 65 years old and the press at his newspaper place is from 1970 when the building was built and that press still works like a charm.
Machanics not machinists
Machinists make parts mechanics assemble them get the shit right
just as I was saying. not sure why theyre calling themselves what they're not. maybe liberals just have everything backwards.
I'm a machinist, (different line of work though) have been for two years now. I'm a quick learner and I've learned so much about each of the machines I work on and the parts I make--yet there's still plenty for me to learn and things to perfect. I love it here, I was lucky to get in at a young age (19) and I'm probably gonna stay for life if I can make it work. It is so much better and more fulfilling than customer service for sure.
Dying breed of repairmen? are you having trouble finding a plumber, HVAC technician, or auto mechanic or something? Are you used to simply buying a new car anytime the oil needs changing, or the radiator leaks? What do you do in this "disposable society" when the plumbing or Air conditioning breaks in your house, tear it down and build a new one?
Well as processes become more complicated, repairmen will die out. Let's take the new Audis for example. It breaks the warranty if you lift the grid plate off the engine because of "high voltage" lines running along it. All diagnostics are performed by a computer and repairs will occur in specialized repair facilities. Where do you take your electric or hybrid car to get it fixed? Not to any mechanic. I'm not exactly supporting this direction of events but it's surely the future.
Some plumbing systems and HVAC system use incredibly complicated Building Automation Systems. Sure you can replace the fan blades but most of the troubleshooting is done by specialized technicians on failed network connections.
I really love guys like these ones. I work with them now in the electrical train industry but they won't be there in the future. It makes me sad but it's just the way of the world at this point.
Seth Jones i am in the field of hvac, Refrigeration, and bms system. in order to gain efficiency everything is electronic now. it's just like when you switch from carburetor to efi to obd 1 and then to obd2. i have a chiller that think it's freezing up when it's actually not. why? because the programmer map the alarm to the wrong path. all of them. i rather work on the older unit add they're more simple. i don't think my company could justify the training cost of the more modern machines as we don't have any of it. this such as trans critical co2 refrigeration, liquids bromide system, etc etc.
Seth Jones i am in the field of hvac, Refrigeration, and bms system. in order to gain efficiency everything is electronic now. it's just like when you switch from carburetor to efi to obd 1 and then to obd2. i have a chiller that think it's freezing up when it's actually not. why? because the programmer map the alarm to the wrong path. all of them. i rather work on the older unit add they're more simple. i don't think my company could justify the training cost of the more modern machines as we don't have any of it. this such as trans critical co2 refrigeration, liquids bromide system, etc etc.
Journeyman Reefer yeah, but OBDII gives you tons of diagnostic data quickly and efficiently. I n some ways, working on an OBDII equipped car is easier than an old ore OBDI car because it will tell you up front what everything is doing. Back in the 1970's you needed a huge piece of diagnostic equipment to measure only a small fraction of what modern scanners can do. Working on pre OBDI cars is an art form. You can get a tune up done by ear and feel. That requires experience younger techs don't have. OBDI is for me the hardest to deal with. Nothing was standardized between manufacturers. The scanner equipment designed to work with OBDI required lots of adapters and it's all obsolete and hard to find. Nobody at my shop has the scan tools to deal with OBDI because we don't get enough customers that daily drive a car older than 1996.
I really miss the 20 years I spent working for RR Donnelley, printing catalogs. It was a craft that we worked hard at, and took a lot of pride in. Will never forget running a commercial offset press, 6 crewmembers to run a press, 40 million dollars of steel running at 3000 fpm.
It can be a filthy job printing filth.
this is a democrat oriented paper aye? sry european
No you're talking about New York Post.
lee cook you said it. the times looks pretty, just like the machinists said at the end of the video. until you start reading the words they printed.
I know as a Maintenance Supervisor/ Tech , i love to work with my Mind and Hands every Day . the Job Pays well and with Automation comming to every corner its a Good Job to Have . Electrical / Mechanical / Engineering / Refrigeration / Boilers . Being able to Diagnose Equipment is a skill . most people will never see it . the trick is to keeping things running with out missing a beat. Great Story !!!
What a complete waste. Printing on all this paper for something that will be read once and thrown away. Digital is better.
I worked as a temp in many factories, a few similar to this place. I always liked hanging out with the mill rights and machinists best....usually the smartest and most interesting people in the whole place.
so this is where the propaganda is made
Well everything is propaganda if you think about it that way.
pathetic, you really think that we are the sheep? when you live by youtube rules. you play minecraft for gods sake. no one will ever take you serious but you 12 year old "fans"
Jarid Gaming most obvious case of bought subs I've ever seen. Over 100k subs but less than 4
300 views per vid.
Jarid Gaming Lmao you repeated the same insult many times, because you couldnt think of anything else!
you just automatically assumed he supports trump?
My great grandfather was the first person chartered to work at our local print plant, various uncles/aunts worked there over the years. 18 months before my grandfather was set to retire, the outsourced the jobs, and shut the plant down. When I was in middle school, my Dad, worked in a very small print shop in the next town, and during the summers and after school, or weekends, i would go there and work right beside him. I miss those days, wish i could do it again. I would actually pay to go work with these outstanding men, for just one day. They have my respect from the bottom of my heart. If there was one thing I could wish for, it would have to be, that every once in a while, when you glace at those gossip magazines at the grocery store, or get those coupon flyers in the mail, just take a real quick second to think about all the work that went into making them. Show these guys the respect they deserve. They are truly the last of a dying breed.
Keeping that fake news in print
The real workers who make the world work!
Add a few razor blades and make toilet paper.
Same difference.
The New York Times most valuable asset: these three men.
How can you put a value on a combined 80+ years of experience?
Fake news
Mike very subtle with that profile picture
I never really appreciated machining until I ran a engine lathe. Using all the levers and all. Been machining for 8 years now. Stressful but also rewarding.
Now if there was anything worth reading on that paper.