Hawker 4000 birdstrike on engine during take off.
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- Departing Toluca, A birdstrike just climbing out of the airport on the Right engine. Full procedure, autopilot off and manual return to the field with a visual landing, one engine. Great skills by the pilots.
Sorry for that brief moment where I drop the camera got a little nervous, but regained confidence as pilots did an amazing job.
My man has his checklist out in the first few seconds. Hell yah.
He was on it and had the engine to idle immediately.
But he didn't use it
@@garymitchell5899, like most people with their Bibles. I guess it's how many verses you can recall. 😮
@@mountainplumbing Idle immediately isn't necessarily a good thing. I can't understand what they are saying, however was there any confirmation between the crew that it was indeed the RH engine? Saw a bird go past the RH side of the cockpit, but what if it missed and it was a separate, un-seen, bird that went through the left engine? No need to rush with an engine failure, especially with no fire. Even if it's on fire, it's certified to burn on the pylon for quite a while. You always need to confirm first as a crew. I will give this crew the benefit of the doubt and assume they did communicate before pulling the thrust lever to idle.
@@Jamenator1At the moment of impact you can clearly see the fluctuation on the right engine on the MFD. They did also both call out and confirmed which engine received the impact.
Looks impressive. Especially when you consider that they are piloting the plane with bicycle handlebars.
LMAOOOO
Hate those style yokes
Good yoke
Better than a Harley Davidson bike with a joystick!
Thank you for warning me, I didn't even notice the bicycle handlebars until now. I will no longer fly with this type of plane.
I am just blown away by how incredibly polished that crew is! And within seconds they were going through the checklist and getting things under control. I hope they know how many people are watching this and appreciate them
Aviate. Navigate. Communicate. And do everything calmly. Such professionals.
Yes, it was a pleasure to see. Glad everyone safe and sound.
Don’t forget, ‘shut down a perfectly good engine when you get scared’.
@@BLAMBERRY gonna comment this everywhere? what airline do you fly for? FS2020?
@@BLAMBERRY Youre a moron if youre commenting this with no basis, EGT had spiked and was high after pulling idle thrust. Not to mention I doubt you have any familiarity of this aircraft or have any experience with multi engine ops? The procedure for this aircraft excplicitly says to shut down the engine after suspected ingestion of FOD.
You dont know its a good engine, a bird just went through the engine and you think it is okay to continue operating the engine? stick to your msfs@@BLAMBERRY
Crazy impressive to watch professionals stay perfectly calm and follow procedure during a life threatening emergency.
They both actually freaked out and in an act of fear shut down a perfectly good engine. They were startled and made a poor choice.
Not life threatening at all. The plane is designed to fly on one engine.
Negative. If you actually paid attention, they followed the birdstrike checklist.
not as they are taking off
@@BLAMBERRY Nah, the plane can fly fine on 1 engine, maybe it could've ran with both but they did what they thought was right in the moment. You can't judge people's decisions after the incident because you can never properly know how you would react in that situation. You can prepare, sure but in the real thing you're not expecting it and no level of preparation will truly stop you from poor decision making.
Absolutely textbook Crew Resource Management. It must be very tempting for the PIC to want to take on more than just flying the plane, but he lets the FO do his job while he concentrates on executing the return to the field. The confirmations and readbacks are concise and clear, the checklist is completed efficiently, and the result is exactly what should be expected...a well-handled emergency.
I’m sure they’re just thrilled to have your approval
@@AnangryLibertarianDude, go be a wanker elsewhere. You aren't wanted here. Or anywhere really
I'm sorry but no. You can see the FO putting one engine on idle without confirmation by the other crew member. That kills people. He pulls out the QRH when the first items of any severe damage should be memory items, not checklist items. Sure, they were startled but the initial steps were very sloppy. On an engine failure at that stage of the flight the crew should do absolutely nothing except acknowledge the fault, fly the airplane to get it to the MSA and complete any memory items in a coordinated way. Only then and once the airplane is in a hold at a safe altitude with the live engine at MCT they should read checklists and plan a course of action. AVIATE, NAVIGATE, COMMUNICATE in that order. Still can't understand what on earth was that FO thinking when pulling out the QRH before the MFRA. Only shows how poor the training is is some airlines.
@@palopo-t3v I agree. This comment does not intend to be pejorative and does not judge on pilots task but since the this video is public it is interesting to note as an observer and instructor as well which are those weak points. This said, though a bird strike or an engine out on take off will always produce a startle effect on pilots first steps must be followed by hart following what is said on pre take off briefing. In my opinion there are several non well handled threats between the strike and the final engine securing. Some kind of sloppiness and forth and back on duties (specially on the FO side). "Who has communication?... Though the captain states clearly "I have control and communications" the FO seems to agree but still continues involved in that matter instead continuing on his duties running the emergency check list... Memory items???. CM1 has throttle levers NOT CM2!!! and should not be retarded without confirmation of both pilots. Even more the intervention of the observer asking for information on the odor, though it violates the sterile cockpit, could have been taken for another call of attention by the crew... "burning odor"??? (it might be an impending fire though the bell still does not ring) After almost 3 minutes the engine was not secured yet! The time lapsed between the strike and the hydraulic valve and fuel shut off goes from min 1:56 to 4:44, too much time. Again it is not a criticism to the pilots side but a screening of the handling of this situation.
@@palopo-t3v flying with one engine will never kill people, planes are designed to fly with one engine.
A great example of what happens with a bird strike and engine out. Pity there was no view of the damaged engine - very rare to catch a real emergency on video. Good airmanship.
I’m sure there were high fives, fist bumps and even chest bumps too!!
The engine parameters are in the center of the instrument panel. They showed the starboard engine still putting out about 10-15%. It didn't appear to be fully shut down???
@@brustar5152 Windmilling at Speed. You can see it drop down to almost 0% when they turned in on Final. The 10-15% you see is the N1 RPM.
@@brustar5152 Windmilling. You can see the EGT dropping constantly as well, that engine was dead.
During flight testing of the 4000 they had the SPPR fuel cap depart and got ingested by the engine. They're a good size chunk of aluminum. The crew had no idea it happened, no engine vib CAS message or anything. It manngled some fan blades but it continued to run unabated. Pratt 308A's are pretty tough.
Notice how they turned into the good engine, great piloting. Always raise the dead (dead engine side goes up, good engine down for a turn). Great job by the crew.
Of course they turn into the good engine. The drag on the right side of the aircraft makes it so that you have no other choice but to hold left to stay straight.
@@dylconnaway9976 the point is many pilots do NOT turn into the good engine and stall/spin as a result. "Of course" lol.
He requested full power to the left engine too.
"split the ball, raise the dead"
"5 to the live" as I was always taught
Plenty of people in the comments saying various things about the pilots, but it seemed to me like they landed the plane pretty smoothly for a higher speed landing with an engine out. Response to the bird strike was pretty fast, too.
Just glad everyone was safe.
Except the bird. Rest In Peace
@@MrGuliton Fk birds
Commercial twin engine jets are designed to be able to take off and climb with one engine, so it's not a big concern since you still have the other one for landing.
They didn't necessarily act fast on the bird strike. Simply if you look at the panel immediately upon impact. Engine spool and subsequent engine fire. For this reason. shut down the engine immediately. The rest of the procedure was according to the situation. The captain told the copilot the plane and the communications are mine. and we continue rising to 10 thousand. Confirm engine off. cut fuel and turn on the APU the rest was approach procedure with engine out. The pilot did not even report Mayday or emergency, only priority to return to active due to loss of engine for a bird strike. The Hot Approach did not exist either. It has the exact weight to land. Therefore it does not apply full flaps so that the plane does not float in the flear, For this reason the speed should be a little higher. You can hear it when it tells the copilot please speed for flaps 20 plus VREF. That's why you hear the warning the to low flaps. In case it has to do a go around with a single engine. As he makes the approach in the first quarter of the runway because he cannot apply trust reverse with only one engine running, he tells the copilot his plan of attack. He will enter hot and let the plane roll until the end so as not to use the brakes because the hydraulics are partially. hydraulic due to the fact that the engine that turned off generates part of the hydraulic braking system. excellent decision.
@@simonbolivar6344 Thank you for the translation
One thing we can admit for sure, they’re very polite pilots 😊
Lmao, also quick to act.
Yeah captain said por favor every time he asked the first officer to do something
It’s called manners . Thank god the captain is not calling the first office dog or my ni… or my man or dude or primo
A nossa Varig...
Well trained and not panicking. Salute from an PPL student.
Co-pilot handled the captains radio settings so the captain could keep one hand on the throttles.
Hey there! How's your PPL training going?
As an ATPL student I appreciate this video so very much. Thank you for posting. Solid CRM by the pilots, hats off.
Ah, another captain is about to come. Salute from an PPL student.
Please do not take this as an example of a properly conducted EFATO scenario.
Yea these guys made a mistake by shutting down a good engine.
As an ATPL student please use this video as what not to do. We all make mistakes and we can learn a lot from the errors of others.
Not to discredit the crew for managing an unexpected situation, as a TRI, I’d say the checklist was out too quickly in my opinion. There are memory items for such an event and the priority is always ‘aviate, navigate, communicate’.
I’d have preferred to see the crew acknowledge the engine spool down, engage the autopilot, have a quick discussion, contact ATC. And only then look at checklists.
As one of my mentors once said to me in a similar (sim) situation, “be good, not fast”.
Great communication and professionalism by the pilot and first officer !!!
They’re both qualified pilots. The one in the left seat is more experienced…And super cool from the looks of it - waving a finger explaining it to be “completely normal” to the person filming from the jump seat.
Every pilot shout react the same way. WAY above professional. God Bless you BOTH!
Amazing pilots, you can feel the training instantly kick in. Congratulation for the perfect execution of the manoeuvre.
They did a very nice job, working together! But, not quite perfect. (there is always something!) Missed the "GPS Flap Override" on the checklist. (Thus the "too low flaps" on short final. But, they knew exactly what they missed, co-pilot pushed to switch and a soft and safe landing commenced. Great recovery.
Much respect; took the unexpected in stride, worked together, solved the problem and got back on the ground quickly and safely. Textbook example of how to handle an engine out on takeoff!
Nice job! Everyone remained calm to accomplish their job. My compliments.
I just want to tell you both, good luck. We're all counting on you.
Meanwhile: (guy in the tower) - "Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit smoking!"
Thank goodness the autopilot didn't deflate. That would've been awkward!
Don't call me Shirley. 😂
Great flying and fantastic camera work. I would have passed out from fear so you did a great job to continue filming!
same here xD
No need to fear. All two engines planes are designed to be capable of flying with one engine.
Fear of What??
Why? It clearly flies just fine on one engine.
These are the types of things that show if you got what it takes to be a pilot
Great recovery Captain and great landing . I love hearing the stall horn when I’m landing .
This is the reason for the I love stall horns when landing .
I got a instructor in the early 80s who was an ex fighter pilot I swear I had Gregory "Pappy" Boyington sitting next to me .. When he said put her down he wanted me right on the verge of a stall and landed like right now . I could be taking off from Camarillo airport thank god it was a long run way , we would just takeoff a hundred feet or so airborne and he would pull the throttle back and yell put it on the deck . Now that I look back at that I’m glad he put me through lots of stalls and spins off airport landings because when I was done I was way equipped for emergencies even rough weather. He was awesome. We were flying a piper Dakota for my training . He was tough, but I got to solo in nine hours.
I am so impressed by the first officer's reaction to this birdstrike under so much tension still remaining composed and professionals, especially when he said: la communication es mio, it goes to show his excellent airmanship of dealing emergency situations while stick to golden rules of CRM, again, Fly, Find your way, and talk to controlers
Excelente Crew Resource Management.
Nivelaron, pasaron checklists y regresaron sanos y salvos todos. Felicidades capis ❤
Awesome flying under pressure like that, calm and cool pilots, good job to both pilots.
Excelente trabajo el de los pilotos! Aquí es donde se aprecia lo importante de un buen entrenamiento anual o bianual en simuladores, cursos de CRM (Crew-Resource-Management) etc etc. Te felicito a ti también por haber mantenido la calma. Excelente vídeo, saludos
Every 6 months for a part 121 air transport operation.
Amazing how quick the reaction was and how fast the affected engine was identified, confirmed and shut down! Wow!
On the display at 1:47 you can see how the speed of the right engine, which the bird hit, began to fall. The co-pilot calmly, without panic, checked the checklist, well done, great landing!
It started to fall, because he pulled back the throttle 2 lever........
@and321now You need to chill out, FO did a great job
You guys do realize that these men shut down a perfectly good engine right? The engine never failed…
@and321now I agree FO was panicking
Took forever to get the qrh open
You did an excellent job filming the incident! Really a good example in crew resource management.
the designer of that yoke worked for a jet ski manufacturer before
Pilots did very good but I felt they had a little panic at some point.. I think they wanted to do a 180 and directly return to the runway but then decided to go in a holding pattern to run the checklists and prepare for the approach. What I liked is that despite the stress they worked together as a team
Why would anyone do a 180 with a single engine out?
I felt the same first, but then you need to remember we aren't used to watching these situations IRL. We may have seen then in the safety of a simulator where they're even expecting this to happen. This however was a normal flight, normal day, not expecting ANYTHING at all, so of course you're shaken for a minute or two, I think all of us would be
Super Pro Pilots . No panic or anything . Hit the bird , rotated and landed on the designated runaway. Looks to be the the pilots have had many years of experience. Thank God every one is safe and sound
No panic ? They rushed it all. 🙄
WHAT?! Hit the bird and then rotated? They hit the bird at about 700 feet in the air. Then they rushed everything. Their experience, or lack there of, really showed here.
@@wardentex1810 Past V1. You shouldn't stop past V1 for stuff like that.
@@wardentex1810 are you dumb or dumb?
@@crimsonsnow2469 WHERE in my reply did I say they should have stopped...? I fly the CE-650 and CE-750 for a living. I think I know the protocol for V1/VR. And if you watch the video again, they were in the air when they had the bird strike. So your V1 argument is very out the window.
Huge kudos to the Captain and First Officer!
They did what they were trained to do without panic!
And made back to the airport safe !
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Mis respetos para los pilotos.
Killing the right engine is very very important. Took few seconds to confirm which engine to kill. Great video.
Having done this same procedure in the sim many times, it does take a while to get to the fire handle, following procedures/checklists. But, the systems and engine are designed for a small delay. Never rush this item, and always confirm before pulling, as they did. Bad things can happen fast, if you rush (!)
Textbook, absolutely textbook. Great flying!
the work load they go through while flying is crazy..
Normal flights aren't quite this loaded or chaotic. This was an emergency.
Great response from both pilots. Incredibly useful video.
Qué buena actuación de ambos pilotos, muy bien controlada la situación por el capitán, se nota su experiencia.
Great initial communication, “My airplane and I do coms”. Great CRM. Very polite, lots of please and thanks. The only thing (not pilots faults) is those shock absorbers on that plane, sounds like a Mooney while on the ground.
Awesome work by two very well trained and professional pilots. Calm and no panic. Outstanding!
Although I don't understand the language, I could see that their CRM was spot on !!!!! "Great teamwork" !!!!! "Well done" !!!!!
Calma e bravura di entrambi i piloti.
Eccellente reazione all'evento .
Saluti dall'Italia.
Wonderfully done by those two pilots!
Awesome capture! May I feature this takeoff in one of my next episodes? Of course with a link back to your original video. Cheers!
By all means. Thank you.
@@isiattie im glad, i wouldn't have seen this otherwise
Great job Captain and first officer
gran ejemplo de trabajo en cabina, sobre todo cuando le presa atención al camarógrafo, le contesta preguntas ...
This video was very interesting to watch. Thank you!
The captain was very professional, when the co pilot kept looking at the take out menu from chipotle, even handing the menu to the flight engineer, the captain was pleased the co pilot shared menu with flight engineer, to avoid confusion, and delay
the captain knew what he wanted right from the beginning
He had studied the menu before and is a no extra sauce type of guy. 👍
Personnaly, I have never entered an active runway without being fully ready to take-off.
I wondered why the pic did not have his head-set ON, while his f/o has his.
The pic took the coms as it's done in this situation, but again with the headset off. However, It seems the boom mic was serviceable.
I would be surprise that the AP can't be engaged even with an engine out on the hawker, but I ve never flown this type.
They managed a safe landing, congrats to them.
Great flying and great job capturing it! Would you be okay with me featuring this in my series Weekly Dose of Aviation? Of course you will be credited both in the video and in the description.
hi lucas
Don't do it.
sh1t channel,full of stolen videos.
Lucaas' weekly dose of aviation are great.
@@TRD_Mike no, they are not!
What a crazy video so glad you were filming. That was terrifying
Qué excelente tripulación! Simplemente wow, excelente trabajo en un momento que pocos pilotos vivimos en toda una carrera
Amazing airmanship! Great job from both pilots. Impressed by it.
1:43 That bird came out of nowhere looks like it was dive bombing the aircraft. Great job by the Pilots to stay calm and get that aircraft back on the ground!
Excelente manejo de la incidencia. La tripulación mantiene la calma y procede como corresponde.
major respect to the pilots
Why?
a bird hit there plane@@BLAMBERRY
Absolutely outstanding example of professionalism and flying skill as well as cockpit management.
Muy bien. Todo bajo control y sin pánico! Muy eficientes y eficaces. Enhorabuena!
Holy crap.......nice job on the pilots woww
Really intense video. Thanks a lot for uploading it.
Un gran ejemplo de trabajo en equipo. Muchas felicidades.
Very unprofessional
@@andreasgunther3468 Why?
@@cguimaraenz he turned off the engine. He wasn’t even flying. The captain was.
@@scottw595 Nothing wrong with that. The captain took care of flying the aircraft and doing the comms while the first officer took care of the emergency checklist.
grateful there are people like this PROFESSIONALS for every one safety salute you captains
Props to the cameraman and the birds head! Thanks!
9:40 = Non-Pilot here. I've been a pilot for zero years. My combined total hours on all types is zero hours.
Phenomenal job gentlemen👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 Aviate, Navigate, Communicate
Mi admiración a los Pilotos, capacidad y temple, creo que fue muy importante mantener la calma y repasar constantemente el procedimiento para no cometer errores...... aplausos para ambos pilotos
First fly, navigate, communicate!. Awsome performance!!
GRACIAS, GRACIAS al que tomo el video, eso va ha servir a la comunidad aeronáutica.
CRM spot on. Great bit of piloting 🙏
Se ve la experiencia tomaron todo con calma siguiendo los protocolos para está situación los pilotos mexicanos están a la altura de los mejores del mundo exelente trabajo mi respeto para ellos
👀WOW! That’s much scarier from the cockpit. Even if the cockpit was my couch. What a display of control and teamwork to solve a problem. Birds 🦅 have taken planes out of the sky. If you don’t make the right decisions in time and even sometimes when you do it doesn’t end well.👏🏽👏🏽 but let’s take a moment for the bird his day was the worst. 🪦
Excellent CRM!! Nice job gentlemen!
They could have shaved tho.
@@RLTtizME Who gives a shit as long as it follows their company rules
@@morerightrudder9742 Your pits are really bushy….. Orville.
impressive, competent and professional
Outstanding Professionals
crew coordination Professional levels. Great job on the recovery Gents.
Anybody interested in roasted buzzard ?
World class professionals!! Well done Señors!
Beautiful CRM between these two gentlemen. I'd fly with them any time.
Balls of STEEL those pilots and the cameraman have for all of them kept calm and had it all under control no panic what so ever . My burn trabajo caballeros
wonderful video, thanks to you and to those pilots
Damm bro… that bird came out of nowhere
That's mostly how it happens with birds, you rarely see them ahead of time.
Right? What was he doing up there?
@@tomcruise9448 I often see seagulls 2000 ft above ground, hawks often 3000 and 4000 ft above.
@@danblumel I was only joking mate 🤙🏻
ikr! a bird in the sky??!
Very nice camera work considering the stress you were under! Great pilot.
Felicidades a los pilotos, pero también a quien estaba tomando video, yo hubiera tenido que ir de emergencia al baño, mi video hubiera sido (a partir del impacto con el ave) del pasillo y el baño.
Great to capture this. Thanks for sharing.
was the bird ok
I have been laughing without conclusion for 90 seconds so far. I'm not sure how long this will take.
edit: 8 mins later, still laughing, but it's about time to move on.
When the manual comes out, it's serious, great skill, guys text book. Nature can take its natural course anytime scary. 👍
Mis más sinceros respetos a estos pilotos, todo parece fácil, pero nada de esto es fácil, tanto para hacer volar un avión y mucho menos mantener la calma antes una emergencia y esto lo digo porque tengo un simulador de aviones comerciales y aún así me cuesta mucho trabajo en ir aprendiendo cosas que amigos pilotos me dicen lo que esta bien o lo que está mal, saludos desde Chile.
That was a beautiful CRM. The checklist handbook was out in seconds, really badass lol
Yes, but they didn't actually USE THE CHECKLIST for the first 3 minutes after the incident. That's not good at all.
@@ByronScottJones Don't memory items get done first, and then checklist items?
@@johnpooky84 my understanding is that in a two pilot scenario, one takes controls and focuses on flying the plane, and the other immediately pulls out the checklist and starts working down that checklist to either resolve the issue or prepare for landing. In this case the copilot clearly brings out the checklist quickly, but then for some reason doesn't follow though until several minutes later, when you see him actually open it up to the right section and start reviewing items.
@@ByronScottJones Hmm...maybe the copilot did his memory items first.
Indecision. Indecision. Indecision. FOUR times the co-pilot wanted to open the check-lists!!!
Yeah, what else is he supposed to do? The same emergency procedure the captain was doing at the same time? You suck.
Great calls, textbook. Respect!
Procedimiento adecuado, buena comunicación en cabina.
Phenomenal landing! They did an amazing job
Good job!
PIC excellent work dealing with that emergency.
Buen trabajo. No soy piloto…ojalá… pero me he puesto nervioso viendo lo rápido q puede ocurrir todo. He notadomla tensión de los pilotos y les felicito por su buen trabajo. 🎉🎉
BUEN “CRM” El capitán es de la vieja escuela, ósea es PILOTO, PILOTO de los que SI saben volar. Muchos le dirán: hubiera usado el piloto automático para restar cargas de trabajo. Yo hubiera hecho lo mismo , VOLAR MANUAL EL AVIÓN (eligió sentir el avión y tener el control como piloto que es). EXCELENTE TRABAJO DE LOS 2 capitanes. Tengo la calidad moral de opinar , porque tengo 19,000:00 horas de vuelo, soy EX MEXICANA Y EX AEROMEXICO. 👍👍👍👌
Well handled. Interesting that N1 on no. 2 flips out on final.
The steering stick looks like it is very hard to fly with its ergonometry. Dont like this stick design...
I have about 1,000 hours in Hawkers and can attest that the rams horn controls are incredibly comfortable. Much more ergonomic that a traditional yoke. Your hands rest on the controls in a very natural position.
A lot of armchair pilots in the comments
Wow. That was pretty masterclass.
Any one ordered Peking duck
It very much looks like they are in safe, competent hands. That adrenaline rush when the bird strike happens then the engine starts rollin' back... Woosh, scary.
Nice crm
I see only positive comments about the crew, but not to forget that no memory items were done appropriately - FO could have easily retarded the wrong thrust lever. Apart from that he couldn't find the appropriate checklist in the QRH for over 2 minutes. One engine inoperative landing checklist wasn't completed. All in all an extremely (unnecessary) rushed return which could have easily had a completely different result.
I'll probably get a lot of "thumbs down" for this, but it's a great classroom example for stress, rushing and POOR CRM. Not very impressed.
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