Have only just gotten into gaming and the more modern style of games. Having a great time learning and playing new games. Today I played Arkham Horror the card game for the first time (!solo) but am looking forward to playing as a co op. First impression was Wow! So much so that I have now ordered Dunwich legacy and the expansions to go with that story. I looked at the expansions and instead of thinking I am too far behind I had the same feeling as watching a new tv show that I caught later in the day , that is , I have a load of content that I can already play .
Great video, so glad you guys decided to make a video of the people's choice! Well done fellas, once again DiceTower just doing the best at what they do, bravo 👏🏽bravo👏🏽
#72 Jaipur's popularity as it's one of the best gateway games to couples/two players AND it's small box. Not many games tick all three boxes and be great at the same time.
For anyone who didn't see the previous episode and was wondering about Lord of the Rings:LCG (when they were talking about Arkham:LCG) it was around 109; it barely missed the list. Great game.
What separates Isle of Skye from Carcassonne for me is the variable scoring (in addition to the price setting mechanism). I like Carcassonne but love Isle of Skye.
I was confused by the conversation they had about this, as in their top 100 videos, when Sam mentions Inis, Tom asks him straight out if he knows it's getting an expansion. Don't think this was recorded before those videos, but seems like a bit of a continuity error? Great video though!
Isle of Skye over Carcassonne any day. Carcassonne is just luck of the draw and I'm so beyond tired of it. In Isle of Skye you have so many more choices, every tile could be good in one way or another, and even if you don't get them you get the price you set for them. I really like that.
I taught a friend Isle of Skye recently and started by telling them it's like Carcassonne with bidding. They ended up telling me it's not like Carcassonne at all because of the solitaire map-building instead of shared map. He had a point.
Perhaps a different version or a variant makes it better, but for me it's just not enough to fix the problem I have with the game. When you play enough times where your opponents draw most of the city tiles and you wind up with a bunch of roads (a 3 tile variant could mitigate it, but it could still end up with you choosing between a bunch of roads and your opponent between a bunch of city tiles), it just sucks any fun out of the game. And yeah, that means you could play the "blocking strategy", but that makes it even worse for me. I don't enjoy a mechanism that only functions to ruin it for another player rather than benefitting myself. I honestly don't care whether the map building is a common one or a separate one. What I really like about Isle of Skye which I feel Carcassonne just fails to do, it's that all tiles have the potential to be valuable. Either they work for the scoring objectives for the game, or you could obtain a scroll for it, or you could get money for it if an opponent really wants it. Whatever you draw, you can work with it. While in Carcassonne you almost always hope to *not* draw another road. And Isle of Skye has just as much player interaction, just a different one than Caracassonne. You are grabbing tiles under each other noses instead of edging in on each other's territories. You are pricing tiles with your opponents in mind, choosing which tile to axe with your opponents in mind. When you decide who to buy from, you don't just choose what tile to buy, but you also choose which player will gain more purchase power as they immediately get the money you pay and the money they themselves locked to that tile into their hand. So you might actually give that player the power to buy an even more valuable tile from you than you did from them.
Zee: on Hanabi, you "got it" only if you make so many rules on how to place the cards and which hints to give in which order to fill up a 20 page manual (people did it!). Otherwise, it's reeeeally difficult to get top score with multicolors. Of course, it's really easy to win (I think I never lost), but that's not the point of the game ;) it's reaching 30 points without too many house rules (we just use the one about placement of the next card to discard)
I'm happy that Mage Knight is still on the list, it's my all-time favourite game! =) Although Gloomhaven is definitely a strong challenger, they both have similar card combat system. I need to play it more before I know for certain where it lands.
Best line from Zee: "you shouldnt like codenames", which is the exact same feeling I had when I played it for the first time....AND never played again.
HAHA I love Betrayal at House on the Hill as well. But I do agree with Zee some please make the same game but with workable mechanics. we basically have to make at least one house rule every time we play lol
I had early access to that Alpha service where you could watch their episodes months before they aired on TH-cam. I immediately purchased it after watching the ep.
1 thing I will say about forbidden island...is just how cheap it is! I got it on sale for $10. I know a lot of people hate games in tins, but I don't...I'm a real sucker for tins lol. Plus the components are really nice for that price point. And it's not like it's a bad game. I've really had a lot of fun with it, and it's SUPER easy to teach to people who aren't really into gaming. For about $10 it's an absolute steal IMHO. Desert may be the better game, but it's twice as expensive too.
Zee might like Tzolk'in in a a puzzle sort of way. It's also pretty heavy but not super heavy. Not super long. I feel like modern heavy games have shifted Tzolk'in more toward upper mid weight, which is crazy.
Zee is amazing. Zee: "if you're having a hard time getting the phone to do what you want it to do, and you're kinda having a little bit of a war with it, is it a War Game at that point?" Tom: OK...... So 71# is Smash up. Zee: "WAR GAME"
Where Battlestar Galactica is concerned, there's a lot of speculation about whether FFG still has the license or not. There's no official statement either way, but it's been quietly disappearing off the FFG website, there are no new copies currently entering the production/distribution pipeline, and the response from an FFG spokesperson when asked directly about the game was that it's a licensed property, so... It's not officially dead but that's the most promising thing that can really be said about the game right now.
Truth be told, Zee's mention of the backlog of Mythos Expansions for AHLCG is the reason why it fell off of my want to play list. That and I don't want to buy another core and another Dunwich to make it a 1-4 player box.
I voted for Star Trek Frontiers. It's essentially the same game as Mage Knight (basically Mage Knight 2nd edition with a different theme) but unless you're a Star Trek fan I feel it's more likely that the theme of Mage Knight would appeal more so I would expect Mage Knight to always be more popular. Also if you already had Mage Knight there would be next to no reason to get the Star Trek version. In my eye the votes for these two should be one and the same and that's the way I see it.
Hey Zee I have the answer to your question about why Betrayal at House on the Hill is still so high on this list (even though of what I've seen I think it's a really good game). It was played at one of Wil Wheaton's TableTop episodes as Shadows Over Camelot was. Also The Fury of Dracula was on the show 8 months ago. Many people such as myself have been introduced to the board gaming world by TableTop, but I think a big amount do not have the time or care too much to look for more. I also believe that many people who voted these games do not necessarily have them, since the show gives a pretty good picture of what it feels like playing them. I will continue to make notes about other TableTop games on this list that you seem like you could not understand why they were so popular. (The Star Wars: X-Wing Miniatures Game was also on TableTop but you did not look impressed by its place)
I'm surprised with Zee continual hate on Betrayal, I share most tastes opinion with him. And when I was looking for a good horror theme game I bought this one after seeing his opinion on this game on two videos. It was top for Horror Games for Zee where he called it "this game is the halloween". It was 4th for Tom in Top 10 Horror Games and called the game decent. I share the opinion on every thing they complain about the game, but don't hate the game so much. I bough it a few months ago and have played it about 8 times (and got a few repeated escenarios). But I always play it with a horror theme sounds app on the speaker system that symcs with my hue lights for lights effects making the game more inmersive. As I say I understand the critics on the game mechanics, but no other game has ever given me the horror theme inmersion that this one gives me, it doesn't feel pasted at all, and where the theme feels like the most important part of the game above the mechanics. I would completely love to get a better game that can give me this horror inmersion, but until then it will always be among my top games (I really enjoy the theme). Maybe after playing it more it will get lower but I sadly play boardgames only once a week and having bough many games recently I don't think I will tired it down for a long time. By the way I also enjoy codenames, I think those two are the only ones where I really don't see eye to eye with Zee.
I think that apps should be counted. There are some games I only ever play on the app (Onirim, Risk, etc.), though I don't count them in my games at boardgamegeek.
Friedrich Schumann They discussed the name during their own top 100 and were "enlightenment" by people in the comments. I guess it's a running gag now :)
The Dice Tower Also, "havre" means "haven"; not "harbor". Le Havre is the name of the commune that founded the city of the same name... Which just happens to be situated on the English Channel.
I'm commenting a lot on this one while I'm watching but whatever. anyways.. I really want to pick up memoir 44 but I want to be able to get some of the expansions that are out of print
Avalon is much better than normal resistance even with the promo cards imo. It's the theme that does it for me, resistance against a goverment with guns and generic people meh, King Arthur's medieval theme thumbs up, I can connect much more with the game.
Isle of Skye is my 24th favorite game. Is Carcassonne better? Not vanilla, but Carcassonne: Hunters and Gatherers is better at 15. Spyfall fell off my top 100, I got tired of it quickly although it is a favorite of my oldest son. Betrayal at House on the Hill is my 97th favorite game. I don't like gross horror nor do I like Cthulhu and this is pretty tame and enjoy it. Jamaica is 73rd favorite game, and yes I discovered it because of the Dice Tower. Its a great non-gamer game. My copy has bling. Bang! the dice game is my 75th favorite game and not yet a fan of the expansion, its good, but it lengthens the game Captain Sonar is my 48th game, and yes not one I would play regularly. Battlestar Galactica was on my top 100 but is too long for what it is. Shadows Over Camelot was one of very few games I couldn't decide if I liked or not with only 1 play. After 3 plays I found I was dissapointed. Sold my copy. I would play it again though. Tzolkin may be the 2nd heaviest game I like, but is not on my top 100, I would say its probably around 145.
For me Last Night on Earth is a better game than Betrayal and they both play similarly. I'm not surprised Kingdomino made the list as it has the simplicity of Blokus but manages to feel like a more complete game.
Sajatzsiraf I haven’t played the original but I have the Star Trek reskin and it’s a good game. I think the only thing it’s missing is a bit more theme to the encounters (all the encounters as are tokens with stats on them and no descriptions. It could really use flavor text or something to make the encounters stand out as actual scenarios or stories versus just numbers that you need to beat.)
If u would exclude all games who launch an app, i bet one day u dont have a list xD I think "TableTop: Wil Wheaton" gave Fury of Dracula at least a little boost. That Channel seems to reach a ton of people.
Are World of Yoho and Mansions of Madness 2nd Edition not Board Games because they have app components? Most definitely Jaipur is still a board game even though there is an app version of it out there.
fr1skycat I think what Sam was getting at was how do you rate a game if it has a digital version that is significantly better than the standard tabletop version? For example, Sentinels of the Multiverse is a good game but can get very fiddly in how it handles damage modifiers and such. The digital version of the game is identical but because the computer handles refereeing all the arithmetic which is a really big improvement. So hypothetically someone who has only played the digital version might rate the game higher than someone who has only played the physical version. Another example is Galaxy Trucker. The digital version of Galaxy Trucker is amazing, not only does it include everything from the original game but it also has a massive very funny single player campaign that is a ton of fun. I can easily see someone who has only played the digital version loving the game compared to people who have just played the original tabletop game. So it’s not an issue of a game like Mansions of Madness that incorporates an app into the physical board game. It’s how do you handle it when there are essentially two versions of the same game, one physical and one digital, and the digital one has significant changes and improvements or extra content by comparison.
Doug Rosengard IMHO, I would use the version I like best. Take Terra Mystica as an example. I absolutely love this board game, but hate the app. The app takes away all of the fun of planning and does the mental arithmetic for you. Ascension is an example where I think the converse is true and now whenever I think of the game, I think of the app version. Through the Ages is an example where I think the app is a great reproduction of the game, where it handles the fiddly aspects of the game without removing the board game aspects of the game. Thanks for the thoughtful reply.
With this list you begin to see the (slight) disconnect between Board Game reviewer Top lists and board game players Top lists. Solid, well done games like Mage Knight remain talked about and played quite often, both solo and multiplayer. Just look on BGG or Reddit to see that. But BG Reviewers like the DT are "forced" to play so many new games, that they simply don't have the time or ability to keep playing a lot of older games. Sure, they have their old standbys like Pandemic, TI3/4, Cosmic Encounter... But with a game like Mage Knight that fills a very specific niche that has yet to be filled by another game, they can't believe how popular it is in the community. It's just a bit of a disconnect between those who can only buy/afford so many new games, and those who have access to virtually any board game being released.
Wayne Hansen It’s not that they don’t like the game or don’t understand that it has a following, it’s that the game is a niche game that has fans that love it but a lot of other people who are luke warm to it or not interested. So to the game’s credit it’s impressive that it remains on the list despite not having as large a fanbase as more broadly popular and accessible games.
With Le Havre and Memoir '44, I have to say: You're doing TH-cam wrong, guys, the commenters are meant to troll the video makers, not the other way around.
Yeah, I just found out it became a running gag. But expect some random newcomers to the channel (especially french people) to cringe every time he does it again on such a serious tone :D
I really like listening to Zee and Tom nerd out about why certain games are where they are on the list. But, you might as well send old grumpy butt Healy out for a food run during these. You can't compare Android to Arkham LCG. Competitive vs story driven co-op. The LotR LCG just released the last story box (6 of 6), which pushes it high up my list. Magic the Gathering has so many ways to play it. Only thinking of it as a tournament CCG is myopic.
Love seasons. They need to rebalance the cards. They are overly complicated and make the game wildly swingy. Everything else in the game is tight though.
Betrayal is such a mess. The scenarios are hit or miss. I hated it, we had to keep going back to the booklets to sort out what each side needed to do and the storyline behind them is pretty meh. Also dont like the character disk slider things and the expansion didn’t add much. So overrated.
Nao Shadowpaws It’s definitely a mess, but I can’t help liking it anyway. I think the theme really helps, I kind of look at it as a favourite old movie where you embrace its flaws (like the stormtrooper banging his head are Luke shouting Carrie instead of Leia etc). I think Zee said that the time of year they do this helps too - it would probably drop a few place if they ran this in June rather than October
TheRmm1976 There are a lot of people that are ambivalent about Mage Knight as well, it’s definitely a bit of a niche game in that there are fans who LOVE the game but many others who are not interested in it. (Personally I have the Star Trek reskin and it’s ok but definitely not even close to my favorite game let alone being a game I like playing solo.)
Does anybody think that this list shows a bubble problem. The time to play games, the number of games, and our wallets keep the cult of new off list? Are we about to see this bubble pop and a drop in the industry?
If people are playing the app and not the board game then it shouldn’t count! This is supposed to be top 100 board games,and if these people are more likely to play the app instead of the game it shouldn’t count.
I´ve seen must of DT videos actually, thank you, but I genuinely thought Zee was being serious. I´ve already gotten a reply from the Dice Tower, so you don´t need to rub it in...
Zee, thank you for seeming always ready. I love watching your humor. Seriously enjoy it, sir.
Seriously. My sides are hurting lol
A box picture or some artwork would've been great alongside the names - like in the top 100s. Thanks for the video though!
Have only just gotten into gaming and the more modern style of games. Having a great time learning and playing new games. Today I played Arkham Horror the card game for the first time (!solo) but am looking forward to playing as a co op. First impression was Wow! So much so that I have now ordered Dunwich legacy and the expansions to go with that story. I looked at the expansions and instead of thinking I am too far behind I had the same feeling as watching a new tv show that I caught later in the day , that is , I have a load of content that I can already play .
Sam, your troll on Memoir 44 was great. Extremely well played!
Great video, so glad you guys decided to make a video of the people's choice! Well done fellas, once again DiceTower just doing the best at what they do, bravo 👏🏽bravo👏🏽
Oh God! You guys made my day with the Memoir 44 comments (16:15). Zee's face while he pointed at the camera: priceless! Great work.
Awww I got real excited when I saw the thumbnail included everyone including Mandi and Suzanne. 😞
Julie LeBouthillier it wouldn't be possible to gather all together. Unless online.
Could we get photos of the different games. Thanks
Yes please, and to the side so that the time cursor doesn't obscure it. Also, a recap list at the end would be nice too.
#72 Jaipur's popularity as it's one of the best gateway games to couples/two players AND it's small box. Not many games tick all three boxes and be great at the same time.
INIS is fantastic. I would love to hear tom and zee discuss a little more in depth what they don't like about it.
They should have a new spiele reward category, the Canada-spiele!!! (17:15)
I wish they would at least reprint the Memoir '44 Campaign Books. I don't want a PDF, I want dead trees!!! :-D Will they ever reprint those?
For anyone who didn't see the previous episode and was wondering about Lord of the Rings:LCG (when they were talking about Arkham:LCG) it was around 109; it barely missed the list. Great game.
Great video! You guys crack me up.
lmao Zee was extra funny in this one
What separates Isle of Skye from Carcassonne for me is the variable scoring (in addition to the price setting mechanism). I like Carcassonne but love Isle of Skye.
Century spice road: Gollum edition :D
Inis is getting an expansion.
The upcoming expansion was announced about a month ago.
Expansion! Can't wait 😊
I was confused by the conversation they had about this, as in their top 100 videos, when Sam mentions Inis, Tom asks him straight out if he knows it's getting an expansion. Don't think this was recorded before those videos, but seems like a bit of a continuity error? Great video though!
Isle of Skye over Carcassonne any day. Carcassonne is just luck of the draw and I'm so beyond tired of it. In Isle of Skye you have so many more choices, every tile could be good in one way or another, and even if you don't get them you get the price you set for them. I really like that.
Isle of Skye is my 24th favorite game. Is Carcassonne better? Not vanilla, but Carcassonne: Hunters and Gatherers is better at 15.
Youre playing it wrong. Try 3 tile variant. Makes carcassonne exponentially better experience.
I taught a friend Isle of Skye recently and started by telling them it's like Carcassonne with bidding. They ended up telling me it's not like Carcassonne at all because of the solitaire map-building instead of shared map. He had a point.
Carcassonne is better because it has player interaction.
Perhaps a different version or a variant makes it better, but for me it's just not enough to fix the problem I have with the game. When you play enough times where your opponents draw most of the city tiles and you wind up with a bunch of roads (a 3 tile variant could mitigate it, but it could still end up with you choosing between a bunch of roads and your opponent between a bunch of city tiles), it just sucks any fun out of the game. And yeah, that means you could play the "blocking strategy", but that makes it even worse for me. I don't enjoy a mechanism that only functions to ruin it for another player rather than benefitting myself.
I honestly don't care whether the map building is a common one or a separate one. What I really like about Isle of Skye which I feel Carcassonne just fails to do, it's that all tiles have the potential to be valuable. Either they work for the scoring objectives for the game, or you could obtain a scroll for it, or you could get money for it if an opponent really wants it. Whatever you draw, you can work with it. While in Carcassonne you almost always hope to *not* draw another road.
And Isle of Skye has just as much player interaction, just a different one than Caracassonne. You are grabbing tiles under each other noses instead of edging in on each other's territories. You are pricing tiles with your opponents in mind, choosing which tile to axe with your opponents in mind. When you decide who to buy from, you don't just choose what tile to buy, but you also choose which player will gain more purchase power as they immediately get the money you pay and the money they themselves locked to that tile into their hand. So you might actually give that player the power to buy an even more valuable tile from you than you did from them.
Zee: on Hanabi, you "got it" only if you make so many rules on how to place the cards and which hints to give in which order to fill up a 20 page manual (people did it!). Otherwise, it's reeeeally difficult to get top score with multicolors. Of course, it's really easy to win (I think I never lost), but that's not the point of the game ;) it's reaching 30 points without too many house rules (we just use the one about placement of the next card to discard)
I'm happy that Mage Knight is still on the list, it's my all-time favourite game! =) Although Gloomhaven is definitely a strong challenger, they both have similar card combat system. I need to play it more before I know for certain where it lands.
If wizkids made a quarriors expansion about storming the beaches of normandy, would that be a Qwar Game?
garoka i think you mean qwar qame
Fury of Quacula?
starring count duckula?
Best line from Zee: "you shouldnt like codenames", which is the exact same feeling I had when I played it for the first time....AND never played again.
HAHA I love Betrayal at House on the Hill as well. But I do agree with Zee some please make the same game but with workable mechanics. we basically have to make at least one house rule every time we play lol
My favorite war game from this list is Der Hafen.
Tabletop probably contributed to Fury of Dracula. It was featured in one of the episodes this year.
I highly doubt it. That episode came out after the game was out of print. I'm sure it's the new version.
I had early access to that Alpha service where you could watch their episodes months before they aired on TH-cam. I immediately purchased it after watching the ep.
1 thing I will say about forbidden island...is just how cheap it is! I got it on sale for $10. I know a lot of people hate games in tins, but I don't...I'm a real sucker for tins lol. Plus the components are really nice for that price point. And it's not like it's a bad game. I've really had a lot of fun with it, and it's SUPER easy to teach to people who aren't really into gaming.
For about $10 it's an absolute steal IMHO. Desert may be the better game, but it's twice as expensive too.
Zee might like Tzolk'in in a a puzzle sort of way. It's also pretty heavy but not super heavy. Not super long. I feel like modern heavy games have shifted Tzolk'in more toward upper mid weight, which is crazy.
Almost choked at Zee with his Jaipur comment lol. Good stuff guys.
TableTop episode might have helped Fury of Dracula get on the 100 list.
It's the sole reason why I purchased my copy.
It's highly overrated.
I find the dice tower really underestimates the "Tabletop effect"... maybe they are unaware of will Wheaton???
@RDxMaverick x Except Tom has mentioned multiple times how good Tabletop and Will Wheaton is for the hobby.
Robert Packham This is true, but I don't think he actually watches the episodes so I doubt he knows what's going on with it.
I see Tom, Zee and Sam, I like. It's simple
Zee is amazing.
Zee: "if you're having a hard time getting the phone to do what you want it to do, and you're kinda having a little bit of a war with it, is it a War Game at that point?"
Tom: OK...... So 71# is Smash up.
Zee: "WAR GAME"
I would definitely combine votes for resistance. The difference is basically a variant.
Where Battlestar Galactica is concerned, there's a lot of speculation about whether FFG still has the license or not. There's no official statement either way, but it's been quietly disappearing off the FFG website, there are no new copies currently entering the production/distribution pipeline, and the response from an FFG spokesperson when asked directly about the game was that it's a licensed property, so...
It's not officially dead but that's the most promising thing that can really be said about the game right now.
Just to mention, Le Havre is in fact a commune and a city in France: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Havre
So glad mageknight is still hanging in there, easily my favorite Vlaada game
I love when Zee is in the troll mode 😂
Very good games on this list. I have Le Havre and Alchemists in my top 10!
Haven't Mansions of Madness 2nd edition kind of replaced Betrayal for a lot of people?
Marcus Sousa I’m not a fan of Betrayal but to be fair it is shorter and easier to teach than Mansions.
Inis is getting an expansion. It was introduced at SHUX
Truth be told, Zee's mention of the backlog of Mythos Expansions for AHLCG is the reason why it fell off of my want to play list. That and I don't want to buy another core and another Dunwich to make it a 1-4 player box.
I voted for Star Trek Frontiers.
It's essentially the same game as Mage Knight (basically Mage Knight 2nd edition with a different theme) but unless you're a Star Trek fan I feel it's more likely that the theme of Mage Knight would appeal more so I would expect Mage Knight to always be more popular. Also if you already had Mage Knight there would be next to no reason to get the Star Trek version. In my eye the votes for these two should be one and the same and that's the way I see it.
Hey Zee I have the answer to your question about why Betrayal at House on the Hill is still so high on this list (even though of what I've seen I think it's a really good game). It was played at one of Wil Wheaton's TableTop episodes as Shadows Over Camelot was. Also The Fury of Dracula was on the show 8 months ago. Many people such as myself have been introduced to the board gaming world by TableTop, but I think a big amount do not have the time or care too much to look for more. I also believe that many people who voted these games do not necessarily have them, since the show gives a pretty good picture of what it feels like playing them. I will continue to make notes about other TableTop games on this list that you seem like you could not understand why they were so popular. (The Star Wars: X-Wing Miniatures Game was also on TableTop but you did not look impressed by its place)
I'm surprised with Zee continual hate on Betrayal, I share most tastes opinion with him. And when I was looking for a good horror theme game I bought this one after seeing his opinion on this game on two videos. It was top for Horror Games for Zee where he called it "this game is the halloween". It was 4th for Tom in Top 10 Horror Games and called the game decent.
I share the opinion on every thing they complain about the game, but don't hate the game so much. I bough it a few months ago and have played it about 8 times (and got a few repeated escenarios). But I always play it with a horror theme sounds app on the speaker system that symcs with my hue lights for lights effects making the game more inmersive.
As I say I understand the critics on the game mechanics, but no other game has ever given me the horror theme inmersion that this one gives me, it doesn't feel pasted at all, and where the theme feels like the most important part of the game above the mechanics.
I would completely love to get a better game that can give me this horror inmersion, but until then it will always be among my top games (I really enjoy the theme). Maybe after playing it more it will get lower but I sadly play boardgames only once a week and having bough many games recently I don't think I will tired it down for a long time.
By the way I also enjoy codenames, I think those two are the only ones where I really don't see eye to eye with Zee.
Did they ever release info on whether it was a chainsaw or weed wacker?
I haven't seen how/when to vote?
lovin the beard Sam!
Instanbul makes the list, but Istanbul doesn't lol
Yes app board games should count. also Zee cracks me up
I'm always sad when you guys speed through Keyflower and dismiss it. Man I love that game!! :P
I think that apps should be counted. There are some games I only ever play on the app (Onirim, Risk, etc.), though I don't count them in my games at boardgamegeek.
“Tabletop” did “Fury of Dracula 3rd edition” recently. That’s my guess for why it appeared on the list this year.
Actually, "Le Havre" is a place in France.
Friedrich Schumann They discussed the name during their own top 100 and were "enlightenment" by people in the comments. I guess it's a running gag now :)
Yes
The Dice Tower Also, "havre" means "haven"; not "harbor". Le Havre is the name of the commune that founded the city of the same name... Which just happens to be situated on the English Channel.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Havre
Le Havre is a district in Normandy, France. It is comprised of 6 cantons.
I'm commenting a lot on this one while I'm watching but whatever. anyways.. I really want to pick up memoir 44 but I want to be able to get some of the expansions that are out of print
wondering if Red dragon inn will make the list
hope so...my second favorite game after Smash Up.
Avalon is much better than normal resistance even with the promo cards imo. It's the theme that does it for me, resistance against a goverment with guns and generic people meh, King Arthur's medieval theme thumbs up, I can connect much more with the game.
18:44 - What's going on there, Tom? ;O)
Istanbul is spelt wrong and it's pron. Go-lem for Golem, gol-lum is Gollum (Lott)
Isle of Skye is my 24th favorite game. Is Carcassonne better? Not vanilla, but Carcassonne: Hunters and Gatherers is better at 15.
Spyfall fell off my top 100, I got tired of it quickly although it is a favorite of my oldest son.
Betrayal at House on the Hill is my 97th favorite game. I don't like gross horror nor do I like Cthulhu and this is pretty tame and enjoy it.
Jamaica is 73rd favorite game, and yes I discovered it because of the Dice Tower. Its a great non-gamer game. My copy has bling.
Bang! the dice game is my 75th favorite game and not yet a fan of the expansion, its good, but it lengthens the game
Captain Sonar is my 48th game, and yes not one I would play regularly.
Battlestar Galactica was on my top 100 but is too long for what it is.
Shadows Over Camelot was one of very few games I couldn't decide if I liked or not with only 1 play. After 3 plays I found I was dissapointed. Sold my copy. I would play it again though.
Tzolkin may be the 2nd heaviest game I like, but is not on my top 100, I would say its probably around 145.
For me Last Night on Earth is a better game than Betrayal and they both play similarly. I'm not surprised Kingdomino made the list as it has the simplicity of Blokus but manages to feel like a more complete game.
Last Night is good but I just love Betrayal more. Still in my top 10 favorite games.
i love mage knight, have not NOT thought about it in about 5 years...
Sajatzsiraf I haven’t played the original but I have the Star Trek reskin and it’s a good game. I think the only thing it’s missing is a bit more theme to the encounters (all the encounters as are tokens with stats on them and no descriptions. It could really use flavor text or something to make the encounters stand out as actual scenarios or stories versus just numbers that you need to beat.)
Keyp climbing that chart Keyflower
If u would exclude all games who launch an app, i bet one day u dont have a list xD I think "TableTop: Wil Wheaton" gave Fury of Dracula at least a little boost. That Channel seems to reach a ton of people.
yup I had never heard of it before that episode of tabletop and it definitely influenced my picking it up
Are World of Yoho and Mansions of Madness 2nd Edition not Board Games because they have app components? Most definitely Jaipur is still a board game even though there is an app version of it out there.
fr1skycat I think what Sam was getting at was how do you rate a game if it has a digital version that is significantly better than the standard tabletop version? For example, Sentinels of the Multiverse is a good game but can get very fiddly in how it handles damage modifiers and such. The digital version of the game is identical but because the computer handles refereeing all the arithmetic which is a really big improvement. So hypothetically someone who has only played the digital version might rate the game higher than someone who has only played the physical version.
Another example is Galaxy Trucker. The digital version of Galaxy Trucker is amazing, not only does it include everything from the original game but it also has a massive very funny single player campaign that is a ton of fun. I can easily see someone who has only played the digital version loving the game compared to people who have just played the original tabletop game.
So it’s not an issue of a game like Mansions of Madness that incorporates an app into the physical board game. It’s how do you handle it when there are essentially two versions of the same game, one physical and one digital, and the digital one has significant changes and improvements or extra content by comparison.
Doug Rosengard IMHO, I would use the version I like best. Take Terra Mystica as an example. I absolutely love this board game, but hate the app. The app takes away all of the fun of planning and does the mental arithmetic for you. Ascension is an example where I think the converse is true and now whenever I think of the game, I think of the app version. Through the Ages is an example where I think the app is a great reproduction of the game, where it handles the fiddly aspects of the game without removing the board game aspects of the game. Thanks for the thoughtful reply.
96 .......so ten people voted it their number one game then? Think it must be the same 2000 people each year! 😏
Zee... Le Havre IS A PLACE IN FRANCE... It is the actual name of a port... It is NOT THE SIMPLE translation of "the harbor"...
With this list you begin to see the (slight) disconnect between Board Game reviewer Top lists and board game players Top lists. Solid, well done games like Mage Knight remain talked about and played quite often, both solo and multiplayer. Just look on BGG or Reddit to see that. But BG Reviewers like the DT are "forced" to play so many new games, that they simply don't have the time or ability to keep playing a lot of older games. Sure, they have their old standbys like Pandemic, TI3/4, Cosmic Encounter... But with a game like Mage Knight that fills a very specific niche that has yet to be filled by another game, they can't believe how popular it is in the community. It's just a bit of a disconnect between those who can only buy/afford so many new games, and those who have access to virtually any board game being released.
Wayne Hansen It’s not that they don’t like the game or don’t understand that it has a following, it’s that the game is a niche game that has fans that love it but a lot of other people who are luke warm to it or not interested. So to the game’s credit it’s impressive that it remains on the list despite not having as large a fanbase as more broadly popular and accessible games.
What happened to the lamp post?
Spyfall 1, 30 locations, spyfall 2, 20 locations.
Has been on the list for 7 years? I thought this was the 1st year of people's choice? Did I miss the past years video's?
Why do you guys hate CGE? They're one of my favorite publishers and Vladaa is my favorite designer, so I'm just curious.
I totally forgot to vote. :(
Isle of Skye I have played it will never get the time back
shouldn't it be "Istanbul", not "Instanbul" in the sub?
But I thought that Zee was the voice of the people instead !
Le Havre IS a location in France!
Zee can’t handle Alchemist !, just kidding.
A bunch of Cooperative games and also a bunch of two-player games LOL.
Good to know youre excited by Keyper. Unfortunate for a lot of us the kickstarter is unavailable for us. Bordering Racist, yeah
With Le Havre and Memoir '44, I have to say:
You're doing TH-cam wrong, guys, the commenters are meant to troll the video makers, not the other way around.
@12:59 "It"s not like it's some place in France" => en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Havre
Please someone tell Zee to stop saying that.
It's a joke. A joke!
Yeah, I just found out it became a running gag. But expect some random newcomers to the channel (especially french people) to cringe every time he does it again on such a serious tone :D
I really like listening to Zee and Tom nerd out about why certain games are where they are on the list. But, you might as well send old grumpy butt Healy out for a food run during these.
You can't compare Android to Arkham LCG. Competitive vs story driven co-op.
The LotR LCG just released the last story box (6 of 6), which pushes it high up my list.
Magic the Gathering has so many ways to play it. Only thinking of it as a tournament CCG is myopic.
istanbul is spelled wrongly
20:45 lol apps are wargames
Love seasons. They need to rebalance the cards. They are overly complicated and make the game wildly swingy. Everything else in the game is tight though.
Awesome game!
Zee is an fire lol.....Zee is so wrong hahahaha lol just joking
14:40 gollum edition?
Rafael Borges Golem Edition.
webs1 XD i know. Thanks
It's Istanbul not INstanbul....
Romulo Marzullo It's a Typo not iGnorance...lol
I thought it was Constantinople
Betrayal is such a mess. The scenarios are hit or miss. I hated it, we had to keep going back to the booklets to sort out what each side needed to do and the storyline behind them is pretty meh. Also dont like the character disk slider things and the expansion didn’t add much. So overrated.
Nao Shadowpaws It’s definitely a mess, but I can’t help liking it anyway. I think the theme really helps, I kind of look at it as a favourite old movie where you embrace its flaws (like the stormtrooper banging his head are Luke shouting Carrie instead of Leia etc).
I think Zee said that the time of year they do this helps too - it would probably drop a few place if they ran this in June rather than October
Apart from the app, you can play Jaipur for free at yucata.de
Shut up and sit down published a raving review of Istanbul about half a year ago. My guess is that the review helped to game out.
klizzt Exactly my thoughts.
I'm surprised Zee doesn't think more of Mage Knight being that many gamers consider it the best solo game of all...
TheRmm1976 There are a lot of people that are ambivalent about Mage Knight as well, it’s definitely a bit of a niche game in that there are fans who LOVE the game but many others who are not interested in it. (Personally I have the Star Trek reskin and it’s ok but definitely not even close to my favorite game let alone being a game I like playing solo.)
Does anybody think that this list shows a bubble problem. The time to play games, the number of games, and our wallets keep the cult of new off list? Are we about to see this bubble pop and a drop in the industry?
I keep thinking the backdrop is a green screen set. You guys are just outside in the yard?
sort of, I recommend watching their tour video of the new location.
Its an enclosed porch I believe
Oh YASSSS!! My favorite review of all!! (Stop grinning at me like that Pandemic, it's cheap. An' I'm *still* not buying you.) :D
Whi the hell is breathing to the camera...
If people are playing the app and not the board game then it shouldn’t count! This is supposed to be top 100 board games,and if these people are more likely to play the app instead of the game it shouldn’t count.
Sorry to dissapoint you, Zee, but Le Havre is in fact a city in France with a large harbor. The name for the harbor in french is le port.
We know that, it was a joke.
I´ve seen must of DT videos actually, thank you, but I genuinely thought Zee was being serious. I´ve already gotten a reply from the Dice Tower, so you don´t need to rub it in...
Should this list include apps? No. This channels advocates playing and interacting with people around a table.
Matthew Greet You can generally do that with most boardgame apps, since they include pass and play functionality.
Thats a very...constrained viewpoint...
Zee is an avid solo gamer and those games don't involve any interaction with others
Indeed but it's Tom's list and that's what he advocates in other videos. And I agree. I play games to meet people as well as play the game.
Matthew Greet This is NOT Tom's list.