They make a set of files that you can grade the hardness of steel by which one actually breaks the surface of the metal you're checking. I don't think that the set cost all that much, especially when you can use the set to figure out which bar you're wanting to run. Which would also be handy to check chains as well I would think. Because as we all know the harder the steel the harder it is to sharpen, but then you don't want it to be so soft that it won't hold an edge all day either. I would think that also applies to bars, because you don't want one that the rails are eating the chains either. So sorta a catch 22 if you look at it from both aspects, but then one can reach the point where your over thinking it,and making it overly complicated too.. So where do you draw the line at, that said I'd say that with the file set to check hardness you can between the device grading hardness, and working experience with the combination of the two you will have a better understanding of what you're working with. If all that makes any sense to anyone interested in this train of thought. I'd say that husqvarna might of dictated the price they could sell the manufacturers bars at possibly too, because they would want them more inline with their selling price wouldn't you think.
Pete...If enough pros like yourself express their concerns with the Sugihara product, I'm certain Sugi can and will go back to producing and sending their premium bars. They may have shot themselves in the foot trying to save a buck. Let's face it, the largest consumer for their bars is not the weekend firewood cutter.
My first few jonsereds came with tsumura bars way back when I first started running them in 08 ish. They were the best bars I’ve ever had other than stihl bars. I ran Oregon for a long time cause they were cheap but I didn’t like the single rivet on the tip. I run stihl light bars now and have good luck with those
I look forward to what you find to run. I am curious how they all stack up in real world use. Unfortunately I don't cut enough to do a reasonable comparison. I think the Stihl bars are about the same in weight as the Oregon ones were. I think they may be a little stiffer as well. Hoping they last pretty long. Keep up the awesome work Pete!
My cannon superbar is the toughest one I’ve used. I pinched it super hard once and it didn’t flinch and impressed me alot..little heavy but I’ll take durability over havin to pack an extra ounce or 2
It will be interesting to see how well it holds up to the Nuts319 40 yard catapult test!🤠 I don't know why Sugi needed Husky on board? They were barely able to keep up with production at times as it was...
I have those husky lights on my 24” and 32” saws and noticed they are wearing rather quick and I’m disappointed as well! I’m running all those bars upside down now and have been taking the die grinder to the bottom side and taking the hump out where the chain meets the bar…on these hunk of S@$# bars! That nippon bar is a POS too!…great video… thanks!
I haven't done a video like this on the sugi but I have stopped running them because my last 2 I have had problems with them warping and it goes back to what your speculations are. I feel that the best bar made that is a light version, is the stihl es light. Unreal what I have put them through and I am running quite a few of them. My oldest, I am about to put my 9th new chain on and I'm very surprised the tip and bar has held up as well as it has.
Those Far East fools don’t know how to make good steel…scrap metal smelter’s is all they are…across the river from me in Pete’s great state is where they produced great steel…but regulations put a end to that!….so we’re stuck with junk products….don’t even get me started on these windmills!!
If you are using 24" bars, you should try the oregon versacut. They are light and inexpensive. They don't have a replaceable tip but it has a sealed tip bearing that doesn't need to be greased.
I agree and absolutely love the VersaCut. When people complain about a non replaceable tip I ask them when the last time they saw someone actually change a tip on a bar VS buying a new one. I cut full time and I’m yet to have a tip failure on a VersaCut bar. The rails are super hard and they’re as light as the Stihl LW bar. I really like them and they’re cheap cheap cheap.
I have tsumura 32 light but the stihl es lights have ram several years to the point have the regular bars just stored there to heavy.the 24 28 20 gets used the most actually 24 why they call it 25 I don't know.but ɓeen running that 24 2 years .have obviously had to some fileing and bar maintenance but still has same tip and use it daily .you can always grind off the stihl logo .and get a 10 dollar adapter .dremel out the bar tensioner groove.therr just solid bars .have 36 light to but mainly 24 is daily and 28 32..you might check jack at hot saws 101 he has alot of older Oregon bars custom lengths and 30 inches .
I've blown the tips out on both Tsumara and Sugihara before the life of the bar. No idea why but seems strange. I'm gonna try stihl light weights next.
Rigidity and stiffness comparison? It looks like both do it right by keeping the bar intact at the base near studs. Sugi has a nice truss along the bar, instead of a void. It matters not just weight, but how far it is away from the powerhead.
Have you had any issue with the light bars being too flexible and throwing the chain more when plunge cutting? I don’t think it would be an issue on a 24”, but my buddy who’s a logger in the Midwest won’t use them because he runs a 28”, and he says he thinks it’s throws the chain more.
I've had good luck with the Husqvarna xtough, the regular ones, they're way harder than Oregon, wish Windsor still made the 5 rivet, those were damn good bars.
Interesting video. Pete did You these problem back when You ran the older standar bars or is evoled with the liteweight bars? Maybe there just isn't enough mass to handle the job You're asking it do. I think maybe the same thing happens with the liter power heads.
Hey Pete back in the 70s Windsor made bars and I think even chain, I haven't heard of them in a while do they still make them? Wow the price seems high but I haven't bought a bar for a few years. Thanks for the information.
steel these days has so much recycle in it , just not the quality as in years past. I have hung black iron pipe that hasn't lasted 6 months . You can be running a perfect bead on something that suddenly blows up in your face . Chinese steel and iron is the worst
Personally, the Stihl Lightweight bar has been great. I tried Sugi as well. My Stihl lightweight out lasted it by far. I run Stihl but like someone said you can adapt it to a Husky like Buckin has. He has run a Stihl lightweight. Never said really bad things about it. The only other one is a Cannon bar. They are really tought also.
They make a set of files that you can grade the hardness of steel by which one actually breaks the surface of the metal you're checking.
I don't think that the set cost all that much, especially when you can use the set to figure out which bar you're wanting to run.
Which would also be handy to check chains as well I would think.
Because as we all know the harder the steel the harder it is to sharpen, but then you don't want it to be so soft that it won't hold an edge all day either.
I would think that also applies to bars, because you don't want one that the rails are eating the chains either.
So sorta a catch 22 if you look at it from both aspects, but then one can reach the point where your over thinking it,and making it overly complicated too..
So where do you draw the line at, that said I'd say that with the file set to check hardness you can between the device grading hardness, and working experience with the combination of the two you will have a better understanding of what you're working with.
If all that makes any sense to anyone interested in this train of thought.
I'd say that husqvarna might of dictated the price they could sell the manufacturers bars at possibly too, because they would want them more inline with their selling price wouldn't you think.
Pete...If enough pros like yourself express their concerns with the Sugihara product, I'm certain Sugi can and will go back to producing and sending their premium bars. They may have shot themselves in the foot trying to save a buck. Let's face it, the largest consumer for their bars is not the weekend firewood cutter.
I doubt they will with husky buying the volume they do
In Europe Sugihara does the same thing with Echo. Bought a 7310sx and it came with a Echo branded sugi solid bar.
My first few jonsereds came with tsumura bars way back when I first started running them in 08 ish. They were the best bars I’ve ever had other than stihl bars. I ran Oregon for a long time cause they were cheap but I didn’t like the single rivet on the tip. I run stihl light bars now and have good luck with those
I look forward to what you find to run. I am curious how they all stack up in real world use. Unfortunately I don't cut enough to do a reasonable comparison. I think the Stihl bars are about the same in weight as the Oregon ones were. I think they may be a little stiffer as well. Hoping they last pretty long. Keep up the awesome work Pete!
Thanks for sharing Pete , I’ve been a sugihara fan myself but as you said they aren’t holding up like they used to.
Thanks for the comparison
Thanks Pete !! Appreciate your thoughts
I’m with you! I got a Sugihara not very happy with it oiler holes keep plugging up
My cannon superbar is the toughest one I’ve used. I pinched it super hard once and it didn’t flinch and impressed me alot..little heavy but I’ll take durability over havin to pack an extra ounce or 2
My 24 inch bars are the older style Sgiharas and the 36 inch ones are Tsumuras ..... I cant complain about either.
It will be interesting to see the results, Pete. I personally don't chainsaw anything these days but I'll still follow.
Bill
Thanks bill
It will be interesting to see how well it holds up to the Nuts319 40 yard catapult test!🤠
I don't know why Sugi needed Husky on board? They were barely able to keep up with production at times as it was...
Hey Pete 👋, always enjoy your videos
I have those husky lights on my 24” and 32” saws and noticed they are wearing rather quick and I’m disappointed as well! I’m running all those bars upside down now and have been taking the die grinder to the bottom side and taking the hump out where the chain meets the bar…on these hunk of S@$# bars! That nippon bar is a POS too!…great video… thanks!
Nice video Pete!
Ive used tsumara bars for awhile now, the lightweight and non lightweight and theyre very good i think you'll like them
You do a good job with the chinesaws. Have a nice day
I haven't done a video like this on the sugi but I have stopped running them because my last 2 I have had problems with them warping and it goes back to what your speculations are. I feel that the best bar made that is a light version, is the stihl es light. Unreal what I have put them through and I am running quite a few of them. My oldest, I am about to put my 9th new chain on and I'm very surprised the tip and bar has held up as well as it has.
They just wear out so fast anymore
Those Far East fools don’t know how to make good steel…scrap metal smelter’s is all they are…across the river from me in Pete’s great state is where they produced great steel…but regulations put a end to that!….so we’re stuck with junk products….don’t even get me started on these windmills!!
Great video buddy 👍
I'm running Total/Tsumura and am so far impressed.
I was just at a dealer yesterday and they told me that. Oregon used to make huskys bar for them too.
If you are using 24" bars, you should try the oregon versacut. They are light and inexpensive. They don't have a replaceable tip but it has a sealed tip bearing that doesn't need to be greased.
I agree and absolutely love the VersaCut. When people complain about a non replaceable tip I ask them when the last time they saw someone actually change a tip on a bar VS buying a new one. I cut full time and I’m yet to have a tip failure on a VersaCut bar. The rails are super hard and they’re as light as the Stihl LW bar. I really like them and they’re cheap cheap cheap.
I have tsumura 32 light but the stihl es lights have ram several years to the point have the regular bars just stored there to heavy.the 24 28 20 gets used the most actually 24 why they call it 25 I don't know.but ɓeen running that 24 2 years .have obviously had to some fileing and bar maintenance but still has same tip and use it daily .you can always grind off the stihl logo .and get a 10 dollar adapter .dremel out the bar tensioner groove.therr just solid bars .have 36 light to but mainly 24 is daily and 28 32..you might check jack at hot saws 101 he has alot of older Oregon bars custom lengths and 30 inches .
I've been very pleased with my Tsumura bars.
Nice explanation how's it going.
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I've blown the tips out on both Tsumara and Sugihara before the life of the bar. No idea why but seems strange. I'm gonna try stihl light weights next.
Rigidity and stiffness comparison? It looks like both do it right by keeping the bar intact at the base near studs. Sugi has a nice truss along the bar, instead of a void. It matters not just weight, but how far it is away from the powerhead.
Not likening the premalight
Have you had any issue with the light bars being too flexible and throwing the chain more when plunge cutting? I don’t think it would be an issue on a 24”, but my buddy who’s a logger in the Midwest won’t use them because he runs a 28”, and he says he thinks it’s throws the chain more.
It’s not to bad
I've had good luck with the Husqvarna xtough, the regular ones, they're way harder than Oregon, wish Windsor still made the 5 rivet, those were damn good bars.
Windsor was the shit
Interesting video. Pete did You these problem back when You ran the older standar bars or is evoled with the liteweight bars? Maybe there just isn't enough mass to handle the job You're asking it do. I think maybe the same thing happens with the liter power heads.
Only happens recently
You can adapt a stihl lite on a new 500i and solve everything 😎
Can't find your chain video was waiting for that while back.
Which one?
@@nuts319 comparison of chains you were guna do
Hey Pete back in the 70s Windsor made bars and I think even chain, I haven't heard of them in a while do they still make them? Wow the price seems high but I haven't bought a bar for a few years. Thanks for the information.
They do not
@@nuts319 wow didn't know that , they always seemed to be a good grade of bars too. Thanks for the update
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The sthil light bar is pretty nice and can be easily adapted to the husky
Hard to find here
How can you do that considering stihl has odd size chain lengths?
Still waiting on the chain results for cutting and longevity.
I do them periodically thru videos
Quality is shoved to the rear over quantity. I guess that the corporate bottom line matters more than the longevity and customer satisfaction.
I run Walker light bars. No issues so far. Nice quality bar.
Sugihara makes the walker branded bars too
@@KAMP8505 no . Wrong
Tell Donny Walker that. Lol
I don’t believe they do
I’ve looked at them
Seems like less is more is the name of the game now
What about Windsor speed tip bars
Don’t make em no more
I used those bars along time ago on two or three different huskies I had
Husky never made their own bar. Oregon always made the husky bars on the XP’s.
Agar bar tak meleleh harus pakai oli apa ya , lama kelamaan melebar😮
30 weight bar oil
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steel these days has so much recycle in it , just not the quality as in years past. I have hung black iron pipe that hasn't lasted 6 months . You can be running a perfect bead on something that suddenly blows up in your face . Chinese steel and iron is the worst
What are you routing there buddy, alittle wood working
Dam live edge table
Personally, the Stihl Lightweight bar has been great. I tried Sugi as well. My Stihl lightweight out lasted it by far. I run Stihl but like someone said you can adapt it to a Husky like Buckin has. He has run a Stihl lightweight. Never said really bad things about it. The only other one is a Cannon bar. They are really tought also.