Did you ♥️ _your own_ video? That's both crass and amateurish. I appreciate everything you're doing but you're also putting up some red flags that are easily avoidable. Example: this video begins fine but midway seamlessly seems to become a commercial. Professional reviewers disclose all potential conflicts of interest clearly and prominently. Over time you risk coming off like the kids (mostly on AMZN) who'll positively "fair and honestly" gush over free merch they were sent. Okay, flamethrower holstered. Carry on.
Great video. And I thought my Watt Wagons Hydra and UC Pro were expensive! When I can no longer balance on two wheels (I'm 71) the 3 wheeler you discussed looks awesome!
Really enjoy watching your videos, i think the outrider looks like loads of fun. Very informative and some serious long range ebiking with all that power. Thank you for sharing 👍
Kyle!!! Glad to see you making videos again. Some amazing bikes there but instead of comparing them to the price of vintage vehicles how about comparing them to Bolts and Teslas
All three are awesome bikes/trike. I'm seriously considering a Riese & Muller Supercharger($10,000). I'd have one right now if I could have found one within reasonable driving distance to try. Cold weather in Michigan is here, so I'll wait until spring.
I agree totally with the very surprising All Machined Aluminum and frankly shocked at the price. I think it is a serious contender if I ever think I can spend that much. And it IS EXCEEDINGLY reasonable in $. Funny though I didn't get your last update, so, I checked it out and left a note there. I think all these lol... are responsible given exactly what they offer, to what I would imagine applies for a large number of people. Oh, and besides my telling you before I wanted to know if you carried Adventon bikes, the "Blackbird" has remained my first choice. Though I could certainly go for the Aluminum and pay for it. But it's a matter of testing the waters first. Cheers and my Best to You and your crew.
So what it is two 52v batteries then as what the battery weigh 40lbs give or take plus the motors weight and bike gross weight is what 90 to 100 lbs. ?
can you recommend a good brand of replacement tires for my fat bike? it currently has 20 x 4 and I was wondering if I could put a wider tire on the rim. thank you and keep up the great work
What makes expensive or not is the equipments it has, quality and brand of Tires, Rims, Brakes, Pedals, Chains, Levers, Cranks ....etc. so the shape and how the Frame is made doesn't matter if it's going to last 2months or less under tension
I have 3 motor on my bike: Specs: 1. MID DRIVE MOTOR: BAFANG BBSHD 48V 1000W Mid drive Motor 100mm with 52V20AH 30amp , BMS Chip: 30A Battery. Peak is 58.8 volts x 30 amps = 1764w 2. FRONT HUB MOTOR: 48V 1500W 55 N.M of torque. KT-45 amp controller: 18 Mosfets Rated voltage DC48V Rated current 17A Low voltage protection DC45 45±1A 48V 20AH40amp Lithium ion Triangle Battery. BMS Chip: 40A Develop 2300w. 3. Rear Hub motor: Bafang 750w, with peak 2200w (with KT-45 amp controller also) 85 N.M of torque. 750w Run with 2 battery: 1. 48V 13Ah (624Wh) 2. 48V 17.5Ah (840Wh) Total 30.5Ah TORQUE: Front 1500w motor has 55 N.M of torque. Rear 750w True Bafang motor has 85 N.M of torque. Bafang mid drive 1000w motor has 160 N.M of torque. Total 300 N.M = 221 Ft./Lbs of torque Top speed 66.0klm/h (41mph) 0/50km/h (0/31 mph) in 5.20 seconds IN TOTAL: 3250w. Peak 2300w + 2200w + 1764w = 6264w 300 N.M or 221 Ft./Lbs of torque Any question about my experience are welcome. I have many videos of my 2 bikes on my channel.
lol sorry man you struck a nerve with the comparison to the '67 galaxie 500 which is one of my dream cars. have to draw the line there--i'm going with the car
Personally I'd buy non of them maybe the first one. What I like and has rear and front motors with 2 battery and full suspension for $4k that's the bike I plan on getting next from eunorau amazing price for a bike with so many options. Then I'd add a trailer I found that can carry 450 pounds it's $4k without the motor but they have motor one, but they have not gotten approved yet in the USA to sell the motor one. Which will help push that weigh of 450 pounds up hills.🤭 I forget the name of the trailer but I know I could find it again.
This euronau have 2 bafang hub motor 750w with one controller giving I think 25amps on each one. My rear hub of my 3 motor bike (on my channel) is a bafang hub 750w with a 45 amp controller that develop a peak of 2200w. I runned it for more than year niw and did a maintenance recently and no damage to the gear or burnt wire. A KT- 45 Amp 18 mosfat controller it's 75$ ➕ the hardware throttle, PAS, bakes cut off if the connection are different. This upgrade mean 4400w peak for 175-250$. 48v battery is 54.6v full charge x 25 amps = 1365w peak. 54.6v x 45amp = 2457w I made a comparaison with the bafang hub motor 750w and the bafang BBSHD 1000w mid drive 30 amp integrated controller, I have on the same bike on my channel. You will be surprise.
@@electricbikeretrovintage ya bike looks cool sadly not a full suspension bike only looking for a full suspension. Also your bike looks to much like a motorcycle I not looking to get pulled over all the time as I don't have a license.🤭 Also with there bike you can turn off one motor when it's not needed to save on battery. As I'm all about range it's why currently bike I added a second battery with a controller. Got 47 miles with 10% left but I have loads of hills so can't get as far as most as don't live in the city where it's all flat.🤭 I also don't like mid drive motors if the chain breaks that's it your in the side of the road. At lest with front and rears you can still keep going without any chain.
@@Bigdog1787 I didn't propose you my bike neither propose you a mid drive. I talked about the 750w hub motor capability. So it's not about my bike but still some of your argument are wrong. I pass in front of police averyday at high speed and I never got pull over. It depens on your police policies where you live. Also you base this argument on emotional fear. My bike has Suspension Seat Post, Shock Absorber that is the same for the rider + the energy of the rear motor is not dissipated in a rear suspension. But it's 2 diffent bike. A montain bike and a cruiser that I repeat I didn't propose you. Also my 3 motors are independent system with their own battery, controller, display and throttle. I ride using all kinds of combinasion with the 3 throttle. One throttle even with a switch for 2 motor is full of inconvinient. 2 or 3 throttle give you instant control on your motors.
@@Bigdog1787 trust me your not going to break your chain and with as cheap as a chain can be and don't take up much room and being very simple and where you can put a new one on in just mins you carry one inless your actually able to apply 9,500-11,000 Newtons which is the force it would take to snap a chain and depending if your running it through a derailleur or not and know how to shift properly or buy a high end chain and never ever worry about after that
I wanna buy a 7.5k wattwagons hydra setup but would never but a motorcycle I'm a minimalist...I like to keep all my stuff at my house...carrying a motorcycle up stairs doesn't work I like electricity as a power source...electric motorcycles are very expensive as well I like to go into the woods and on trails. I like to be able to easily fix my bike. Bicycle maintenance is so easy a 16yo can do it...and get most the tools from a Walmart. I hate the government, you don't need a license to ride a electric bike. I like to go fast but not crazy fast. I do 30+ on ebikes pretty often and as a city dweller that gets me to the store or a job just fine. I like how kids love staring at my ebikes. "Wow those are big tires" "wow is that a battery" "Mr why are you so ugly" are things I hear every day from kids as I ride by.
These 3 bikes are have VERY different uses. Which would you choose?
The Magicyle Cruiser Pro is a great bike for under $2k, have you given that bike any consideration yet Area 13?
@SurAustin Go buy an e-bike for under $2k, trust me it’s way better than those $5k and $10k e-bike garbage.
Did you ♥️ _your own_ video? That's both crass and amateurish. I appreciate everything you're doing but you're also putting up some red flags that are easily avoidable.
Example: this video begins fine but midway seamlessly seems to become a commercial. Professional reviewers disclose all potential conflicts of interest clearly and prominently.
Over time you risk coming off like the kids (mostly on AMZN) who'll positively "fair and honestly" gush over free merch they were sent. Okay, flamethrower holstered.
Carry on.
The 3rd one from Optibike.
Great video. And I thought my Watt Wagons Hydra and UC Pro were expensive! When I can no longer balance on two wheels (I'm 71) the 3 wheeler you discussed looks awesome!
The hydra is an amazing bike. I almost put it on the list, but wanted to pick some unique bikes people had not seen.
I noticed your retail shop not long ago in downtown grass Valley, I’ll stop in and check it out.
Really enjoy watching your videos, i think the outrider looks like loads of fun. Very informative and some serious long range ebiking with all that power. Thank you for sharing 👍
Kyle!!! Glad to see you making videos again. Some amazing bikes there but instead of comparing them to the price of vintage vehicles how about comparing them to Bolts and Teslas
Haha! Great idea considering I've owned both.
All three are awesome bikes/trike. I'm seriously considering a Riese & Muller Supercharger($10,000). I'd have one right now if I could have found one within reasonable driving distance to try. Cold weather in Michigan is here, so I'll wait until spring.
I agree totally with the very surprising All Machined Aluminum and frankly shocked at the price. I think it is a serious contender if I ever think I can spend that much. And it IS EXCEEDINGLY reasonable in $. Funny though I didn't get your last update, so, I checked it out and left a note there. I think all these lol... are responsible given exactly what they offer, to what I would imagine applies for a large number of people. Oh, and besides my telling you before I wanted to know if you carried Adventon bikes, the "Blackbird" has remained my first choice. Though I could certainly go for the Aluminum and pay for it. But it's a matter of testing the waters first. Cheers and my Best to You and your crew.
So what it is two 52v batteries then as what the battery weigh 40lbs give or take plus the motors weight and bike gross weight is what 90 to 100 lbs. ?
can you recommend a good brand of replacement tires for my fat bike? it currently has 20 x 4 and I was wondering if I could put a wider tire on the rim. thank you and keep up the great work
Please test drive the R 22, $ 18 k bike. Hope your feeling better soon.
What makes expensive or not is the equipments it has, quality and brand of Tires, Rims, Brakes, Pedals, Chains, Levers, Cranks ....etc. so the shape and how the Frame is made doesn't matter if it's going to last 2months or less under tension
I'm surprised the Revolution X from Hi-power Cycles didn't make it on the list.
I have 3 motor on my bike:
Specs:
1. MID DRIVE MOTOR: BAFANG BBSHD 48V 1000W Mid drive Motor 100mm with 52V20AH 30amp , BMS Chip: 30A Battery.
Peak is 58.8 volts x 30 amps = 1764w
2. FRONT HUB MOTOR: 48V 1500W
55 N.M of torque.
KT-45 amp controller:
18 Mosfets
Rated voltage DC48V
Rated current 17A
Low voltage protection DC45
45±1A
48V 20AH40amp Lithium ion Triangle Battery.
BMS Chip: 40A
Develop 2300w.
3. Rear Hub motor: Bafang 750w, with peak 2200w (with KT-45 amp controller also)
85 N.M of torque.
750w Run with 2 battery:
1. 48V 13Ah (624Wh)
2. 48V 17.5Ah (840Wh) Total 30.5Ah
TORQUE:
Front 1500w motor has 55 N.M of torque.
Rear 750w True Bafang motor has 85 N.M of torque.
Bafang mid drive 1000w motor has 160 N.M of torque. Total 300 N.M = 221 Ft./Lbs of torque
Top speed 66.0klm/h (41mph)
0/50km/h (0/31 mph) in 5.20 seconds
IN TOTAL:
3250w. Peak 2300w + 2200w + 1764w = 6264w
300 N.M or
221 Ft./Lbs of torque
Any question about my experience are welcome.
I have many videos of my 2 bikes on my channel.
The new Mac Augusta cafe racer is 23k. Ummmmm which should I. Buy?
Some awesome bikes 🙂
Were are you guys located?
Grass Valley, California! 😀
Have u done any stand-up scooter reviews?
Hey i have a question i have a sw900 display and it it’s throwing me the error 10 i have 5v going through it i dont know why i am getting it any help?
Like the polebicycle. Parents had a galaxy when i was a kid :)
lol sorry man you struck a nerve with the comparison to the '67 galaxie 500 which is one of my dream cars. have to draw the line there--i'm going with the car
Personally I'd buy non of them maybe the first one. What I like and has rear and front motors with 2 battery and full suspension for $4k that's the bike I plan on getting next from eunorau amazing price for a bike with so many options. Then I'd add a trailer I found that can carry 450 pounds it's $4k without the motor but they have motor one, but they have not gotten approved yet in the USA to sell the motor one. Which will help push that weigh of 450 pounds up hills.🤭 I forget the name of the trailer but I know I could find it again.
This euronau have 2 bafang hub motor 750w with one controller giving I think 25amps on each one. My rear hub of my 3 motor bike (on my channel) is a bafang hub 750w with a 45 amp controller that develop a peak of 2200w. I runned it for more than year niw and did a maintenance recently and no damage to the gear or burnt wire. A KT- 45 Amp 18 mosfat controller it's 75$ ➕ the hardware throttle, PAS, bakes cut off if the connection are different. This upgrade mean 4400w peak for 175-250$.
48v battery is 54.6v full charge x 25 amps = 1365w peak.
54.6v x 45amp = 2457w
I made a comparaison with the bafang hub motor 750w and the bafang BBSHD 1000w mid drive 30 amp integrated controller, I have on the same bike on my channel. You will be surprise.
@@electricbikeretrovintage ya bike looks cool sadly not a full suspension bike only looking for a full suspension. Also your bike looks to much like a motorcycle I not looking to get pulled over all the time as I don't have a license.🤭 Also with there bike you can turn off one motor when it's not needed to save on battery. As I'm all about range it's why currently bike I added a second battery with a controller. Got 47 miles with 10% left but I have loads of hills so can't get as far as most as don't live in the city where it's all flat.🤭 I also don't like mid drive motors if the chain breaks that's it your in the side of the road. At lest with front and rears you can still keep going without any chain.
@@Bigdog1787 I didn't propose you my bike neither propose you a mid drive. I talked about the 750w hub motor capability. So it's not about my bike but still some of your argument are wrong. I pass in front of police averyday at high speed and I never got pull over. It depens on your police policies where you live. Also you base this argument on emotional fear. My bike has Suspension Seat Post, Shock Absorber that is the same for the rider + the energy of the rear motor is not dissipated in a rear suspension. But it's 2 diffent bike. A montain bike and a cruiser that I repeat I didn't propose you.
Also my 3 motors are independent system with their own battery, controller, display and throttle. I ride using all kinds of combinasion with the 3 throttle.
One throttle even with a switch for 2 motor is full of inconvinient. 2 or 3 throttle give you instant control on your motors.
@@Bigdog1787 trust me your not going to break your chain and with as cheap as a chain can be and don't take up much room and being very simple and where you can put a new one on in just mins you carry one inless your actually able to apply 9,500-11,000 Newtons which is the force it would take to snap a chain and depending if your running it through a derailleur or not and know how to shift properly or buy a high end chain and never ever worry about after that
Just think for the price of the plane, you can get 2 of the 3 wheelers!!! 🤯
Nice
One of the 200+ mile 750w trikes...
I used to have a 1984 Dodge Rampage! Very versatile but the engine was unreliable.
I thought I was nuts paying $3.4 k for a used Gazelle ebike.
U forgot the Boxxbike bro. Blows away ALL of them smh. Boxxbike has 14k watts of power. Optibike has 1700 watts see my point!
👋👍nice
If it was really made of gold it would bend
Lit
Sorry, I don’t live in that world!😂
If you're going to spend that much money on an E-bike you might as well buy a motorcycle
Why? E-bikes can go places motorcycles can't.
@@stealthxg5045 Exactly. These vehicles are in a totally different class.. non comparable. No Gas, no Road tax, no licence required etc.
I wanna buy a 7.5k wattwagons hydra setup but would never but a motorcycle
I'm a minimalist...I like to keep all my stuff at my house...carrying a motorcycle up stairs doesn't work
I like electricity as a power source...electric motorcycles are very expensive as well
I like to go into the woods and on trails.
I like to be able to easily fix my bike. Bicycle maintenance is so easy a 16yo can do it...and get most the tools from a Walmart.
I hate the government, you don't need a license to ride a electric bike.
I like to go fast but not crazy fast. I do 30+ on ebikes pretty often and as a city dweller that gets me to the store or a job just fine.
I like how kids love staring at my ebikes. "Wow those are big tires" "wow is that a battery" "Mr why are you so ugly" are things I hear every day from kids as I ride by.
Buuuuuut a Dodge Rampage with a camper on it....
Just a Helmet Rent $5.00 a Day. What burn JOB. And a Bike starting at $27.00 a day I call BS. Who has that kind of money. I say run Forest run.
I dont think you watched the video... your figures are off.
Yeah, 32 bucks, that's gonna ruin my financial empire! lol