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Behind the Police: How The Police Defeated Lynching Via Torture | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
Lynching was the sharpest blade in the arsenal of white supremacy for decades, until American police replaced it with the death penalty. In this episode, Prop and Robert trace the evolution of police torture, and how the legacy of 'the third degree' persists in law enforcement to this day.
Original Air Date: June 25, 2020
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As a Jewish guy who knows a little bit of history, my first reaction to learning about the Tulsa riots was and still is, "That's a pogrom. I know a pogrom when I see one, and that qualifies."
"DEPRESSING SHIIIIT!" is probably the most honest BTB intro. I love it almost as much as I do all of Prop's appearances here, easily one of the best guests.
The "black advancement" point is important. Slave owners obviously didn't want to exterminate black people, and were perfectly comfortable having slaves working in their home and quite close to their family. They might even have felt quite fondly about some of their slaves, but those slaves must never get any illusions that they're equal to whites. A saying that I've heard is "in the South, they don't care how close a black man gets as long as he doesn't get too high; in the North, they don't care how high a black man gets as long as he doesn't get too close". Contrast the above attitudes with a resident of, say San Francisco, who enthusiastically voted for Obama, but probably wouldn't want to live next door to him.
That’s why liberals are not the left as Fox News tells you but the center right.
this is so so true. I've met so many "progressive" types who start saying the most racist things when a black leftist says he doesn't like joe biden's racism
That makes perfect sense, the white house is the other side of the country
200 years ago kid get over it
It is over. It's merely a convo. If that's all you can manage to input, much appreciated. Good day sir.
1:14:20 I can't remember where I heard it, but someone once said there's something about authority that changes the definition of respect. If you don't respect me as an authority, I won't respect you as a person...
Not sure why that is ringing in my head, but it feels tangentially relevant...
As someone currently in Oklahoma, and who has been here since I was 4 months old, I can confirm.
I went to high-school in highschool and I can say at that point a lot of people didn't know about the riots because it was not taught. The first time I heard about them was from my music teacher having just talking about them and how they're not taught about or know by a lot of people.
(That's not where the word "picnic" came from. It's a valid observation, but an unsubstantiated folk etymology for a word that's much older than that particular practice)
I’ve heard this as well; however it’s not a stretch that it became a sort of colloquial phrase that took on that meaning…people do be word playing. That is to say it might have evolved into that but is not the origin.
@@jontwance1868 again, not accurate etymology, still a valid observation
@@notoriouswhitemoththat’s an interesting take. What if I told you Karen doesn’t mean a white lady overreacting to perceived inconvenience or threat and weaponizing race, because ACTUALLY it comes from Katherine and is Danish, from Greek, for “pure”?
Would that mean it definitely doesn’t come from anywhere else or mean anything else in modern/common parlance?
@@duffykhalsa8281 I never said the usage described was inaccurate, in fact I went out of my way to validate the observation.
The modern usage of 'karen' as an insult likely has its origins in New Jersey. It was a popular name for girls in the mid-Atlantic in the 1990s, and New Jersey has a law against drivers pumping their own gasoline. That led to a lot of women named Karen, from New Jersey, in other neighboring states (mostly New York) demanding that gas station employees pump their gasoline for them, leading to a stereotype of entitled middle-aged white women named Karen.
The origin of that specific usage is in no way related to the origin of the name. That doesn't invalidate the usage. What you're accusing me of, which, again, I _went out of my way to avoid,_ is called an etymological fallacy, which is a subcategory of genetic fallacy. A thing's present does not necessarily represent its origin, nor does its origin predetermine its entire history.
@notoriouswhitemoth let's try this again. *if* it can be established that the word "wuss" came from "wussy", from rhyming with "pussy" meaning cat (BEFORE that word was popularized as a word for female genitalia)...
From your perspective, would that negate claims of misogyny in its etymology, as used by modern speakers?
I know this was recorded many moons ago, but intentional left field false confessions are a thing, admittedly super rare as far as I understand it, and is mostly an organized crime thing where a low rung member without a record confesses to a crime they didn't commit in order to protect higher ranking members or people with past records that would suffer worse penalties. There isn't exactly a lot of data on them though, since unlike forced confessions, there's no real reason for the false confessor to come forward after being incarcerated.
The way modern US uses the term 'false confession' generally means something else, though. When details are presented that prove the confession was wrong, they don't prove that the person was ultimately not guilty of the crime. In theory, someone could commit a crime, then confess to it, but give false details in their confession. No one looks into it too much because, why would they? They have a confession. So the person gets convicted of this crime, then comes forward and appeals after the trail grows cold, using the existing evidence to prove their confession was false. Proving that a confession was false, therefore, does not prove that the _verdict_ was false.
Of course, in reality, no one's going to do this. Undoing the results of a trial are way, way harder than fighting it the first time around, partially for this reason. But, no one with authority wants to admit when the criminal justice system failed. Calling it forced puts blame on the cops. Calling it a false verdict puts blame on prosecution, judge, jury. So we say that the _confession_ was false, continuing to place blame and suspicion on the victim of a broken system. We create a shred of doubt, however small, that even though the confession was clearly forced, the confessor could still be a criminal of some kind, as a way to ease the public consciousness.
"unlike forced confessions, there's no real reason for the false confessor to come forward after being incarcerated."
Unless you're already on Death Row as a serial killer, in which case it might not hurt to take credit for every unsolved missing-persons case that plausibly could have been your doing, in order to:
a) try to get your sentence commuted to life in prison by "helping" the police,
2) knowing that even if the first option works, you'll still never leave alive, so might as well die famous with the highest kill count, or
Three) throw the cops off the trail of the other murderers they haven't caught yet, out of professional courtesy and/or personal amusement at messing with the cops while another killer(s) roam(s) free.
This specific example is Henry Lee Lucas (seems to have achieved all three goals stated above), but others have done it too.
38:35 in
The first piñata...
Kinda disappointed with all the “hammer beating” talk that Jamie Loftus wasn’t mentioned
1:12:28 oh i think i know how to get the answers ... all i need is jhon birgd and a little wooden box with a handle on it with two aligator clips...
Is John Conroy namechecked?
I didn't know about this. As there is much more to know. I thought I was mexican. Now it is difficult to know what I am...
I've never liked ACAB as a slogan, because it individualizes the problem. The issue with policing isn't whether one, or some, or most, or all police are bad; the issue is that the institution of policing is bad, and even "good" cops have limited ability to actually do good within the system. It's a little ironic that the same people who recognize that racism is systemic and not simply a matter of racist individuals are so open to individualizing the problem of policing, even if they are "individualizing" it to include everyone.
ACAB literally means "All Cops Are Bastards." Not a few. All. This is the opposite of individualizing.
That's the point, that's why ACAB is the slogan, the job in the system makes sure that there's no such thing as a good cop.
@sentientnatalie
You’re so edgy and cool. 🥸
@@petebondurant58 Lol, actually try thinking about it, "edgy and cool" has nothing to do with it.
@@sentientnatalie Seriously, dude. You're rad. I'd like to iron your Che t-shirt.
Picnic is derived from the French “pique-nique”. And Catholics and Jews being killed can be better described than “what’s that got to do with it”. I’ve never cared for this guest on your podcast, might be a decent dude but he says a lot of dumb sh*t with confidence and it pains me hearing Robert pause and try to move on without calling attention to it.
Does this Prop guy get paid every time he says the word ‘like?’
Prop just has way too many unintriguing things to say any given episode he's on lmao
@Colonel_Bat_Guano
And, every other word he says is ‘like.’
Thank you, this dude is a walking black culture Dunning-Krueger machine.
@@davidrossi5096 it feels like they have him on as a token black person when they discuss something pertaining to black history. Now, that's sensible but like... is Prop the only black guy Robert knows? I get that he's a teacher... but so? A lot of teachers I know are brilliant and a lot of them aren't. I wish he'd have someone on who actually researches and writes about history rather than having his buddies on (Prop definitely not the only guy who's on this program just to yap) for lols.
you call yourselves leftists? lmfao, buzz off
Too much soy.
Algorithm is trolling me today
Ever thought it might be trying to teach you something? 🤔
@@PMickeyDee Nothing i don't know already
I am sorry the podcast episode about the history of police and lynching in america is "soy." I hope the algorithm has stopped "trolling" you. Have a nice day :-)
@@commandantcarpenter 🤣 that's exactly what I was thinking
@@RideTheDalan89 i'm so sure