The whole time I watched this, one thing kept playing back in my head the whole time... "One for the treble, two for the bass come on Davy D let's rock this place!" Talk about nostalgia!!!!
GForce is good at making these recreations, and there are lots of nice features in this product-for instance extensive CC controls. There are however two glaring omissions that were central to the DMX product line. First is separate outs, and in this case GForce should implement a separate stereo channel out for each instrument, because that is how we use things today. The second glaring omission is the ability to load in samples. These were swappable chip based machines. Even Oberheim released the Prommer to support this ability of the DMX. Considering all sequencing is done outside of the plugin, which is fine, they basically have a very nice simple sample playback plugin, which is weak on DMX features.
@@VultureCulture Another omission is the ability for multiouts... unless I'm missing something. I bought it and see no way to split up the outputs. The original machine had 8 outs and some of these knockoffs do as well.
The BEAT kick and snare samples originated from the Art Of Noise track called “Beatbox”. They were sampled from that track to eprom chips back in 1984. And the guy that sampled them was Daniel Sofer. He worked for Oberheim and wrote several user-manuals for Oberheim. Daniel made a lot of eprom samples for the DMX.
Thanks for this info. I had the Linndrum instead of the Dmx but found these sounds were hard to find here in england, but believe both machines shared the same 2732k eprom chips.
My first drum machine. I loved it, but it would not sync to tape so as soon as I got a Yamaha that would, I sold it. I always regretted that decision. But now finally a plug! I jumped on this immediately and I'm in love all over again!
In those early days I had a tascam 388 and a Yamaha sequencer. I would sync that to tape with an interface which I don't remember now what it was. But it took one channel for the sync which left 7 for anything I used a mike for, vocals, acoustic guitar, mandolin etc. and then I would sequence most everything else and the drum machine which I think was an RX15 would sync to that via MIDI. But it's been so long since I had that set up I don't remember the exact way it worked, but it did work. I then went to the ADAT vhs tape machines and then to the ADAT 24 track machines until computers got good enough to overcome the latency that was a problem in the early days. I now have 48 tracks using Cakewalk, which I have used since it came out, in the early days for midi and now for everything. I come out of my computer via two Hammerfall interfaces into my mixer, yamaha DM2000 and it's a dream set up. And with all the plugins we have now it's a bit like Disney World compared to those early days. But my earliest days go back to before I had my own studio where I learned to "engineer" or produce using two 2 track Ampex tape machines and an 8 channel tube board. Mid 60's At Atlanta Sound Studios. But that's another topic for another day lol!
Excellent review man. I too was a bit annoyed at the lack of a multi out. There is a workaround though and the sound is top notch. At this price point? No brainer.
I'm guessing your 'workaround' is the same as mine? Multiple instances? Email their support and ask for multi-outs, the more that do, the more likely they'll happen. GREAT plugin otherwise though, and some of us are old enough to have used the real hardware, along with a few other machines of that time... this one really is very good!
@@groovedealerfeaturing-ashl6476 not exactly. My method will be to set it up as I would like it, then solo each sound and do a render. It means commitment to the sound but that is all good. I have indeed emailed support regarding this and they have said that they are planning some upgrades in the future so let's see. Real glad to know that you endorse the plugin as a user of the original kit, G-Force are doing great things 👍🏾
@@StellarWorks2023 ah, I see, so kind of similar then. If you want to save time and your system will cope with it, try multiple instances once you've done your programming, you can export in one pass then and save a bit of time.
This 100% needs separate outputs just as the hardware has. Re did Ensoniq have a drum machine. I don't believe they did, specifically, but they did have the ASR-X, basically their version of an MPC.
@@SonicVision Thanks for the heads up. Someone mentioned the VPROM in this thread. Currently checking out that option, seems like a better alternative so far.
Vprom is far superior: -Highly accurate sound using EPROM decoding - It has DMX sounds -Flexibility to load sounds from many vintage drum machines (you can load your own samples // "Samples from Mars" for example -Individual outputs for all sounds -Realistic hi-hat behavior -Built-in sequencer Great video! Love your stuff
Can’t disagree with your points. I, for one, am happy that there is no built in sequencer. Since I use it as a virtual instrument within a DAW, the DAW is the sequencer. Also, GForce have now given the DMX individual outs for the mix, all individual drum tracks and delay and reverb.
Nice plugin for a very good price! But seems like a bit too much filtering going as for vintage drum machine. And you’re right about vintage hardware pitching - I love pitching down on Yamaha RX5. I have RXUSB cartridge that allows to have custom 8- or 12-bit samples, which opens the whole world of possibilities. EG on RX5 is real good for drum sounds.
Def a cool piece of software, but in my opinion, VPROM with the legends bank is far more accurate in terms of how the sound is produced. It appears that this software is dependent on recorded samples, where as VPROM literally uses the converted EPROM/BIN files, as well as simulating the DAC of the unit in addition of varying the sample rate per sound to achieve the correct way that the unit raises and lowers the pitch of the sound. Don't get me wrong, this is definitely neat and is priced extremely reasonably, but this doesn't really do it for me. Even with the proper Oberheim branding and aesthetic.
I played a lot of those over the years in NY shops.. new ones when they came out and used ones many years later.. was always in a tough spot and unable to buy.. they sound really really great.
I have the Behringer Pro800, it sounds amazing and I don't care if it's 100% identical to a Prophet 600. Behringer Model D and Pro 1 are great synths, almost identical to the originals. Those silly little Behringer synths like the Prophet VS Mini aren't worth the bother IMO. (Except maybe the JT-4000, which sounds nothing like a JP8000, but it's cool and it's own thing.
I have kinda mixed feeling of these drum machine plugins. The real things just was better and the real fun was all the mods that existed to change eproms and make them sound real dirty with how the samples was read and bit crushed and some of us just used them for regular drum sounds. I had my share of drum machines over the years. Still have an SR16 and R8M in the basement. Started with a Yamaha RX11, Alesis HR16, HR16B, SR16. The R8M propably what I liked the most because it just sounded so darn good. I remember Arturia actually had a pretty good Drum plugin years ago with a huge selection of those old but saught out drum beasts that sounded not very realistic but is used on countless pop hits and electronic music. I got it in a not so "official" version .. lol but they doesn't seem to make it anymore. I tried a couple years back to find more PCM cards for the R8M but also found out they are freakin rare now and hillarious in price. I have 2 cards myself which is a Jazz card and a Brush card and they were pretty good samplings for its time and the feel Patches that made the sounds slightly random in pitch and the EG and timing for the regular version with patterns was a game changer. Still a decent good machine even 30 years later.
I appreciate that GForce went through the trouble of actually sampling all the different mods and styles (like recording to cassette) people did back then to get those machines to sound dirty and different.
I'm on the fence about picking this up, but from what I can see, you can load custom EPROMs onto it (and I think it comes with some Drumtraks ones loaded by default). So if you want to throw some Linn EPROMs in here, you should be able to (or also check out the VPROM emulator, similar to this but focussed on the LM-1)
Bought it yesterday. Mapping is great, and programming in (any?) DAW is a breeze. I use Logic, so using the Step Sequencer with it is a must… 20€ for such a quality plugin is a no-brainer… 😸〰🎶
Just a heads up I could not get it to work in Fl Studio . It would not export the midi patterns and I could not play the preset rhythms . I submitted a ticket but zero response .
Yoooo !!! Was super exited by this but it quikly faded away after download .... Some features were missed (if i want my clap control indepndant to my shaker !!) and sonicaly my other options always wun in my test (UVI beat box anthology ,ect ..) Sorry to have missed this one !!!! Do you think you can have a Take 5 in your hands (or a Rev 2 ) ?
Maybe time to discuss whether AI can replace all of this stuff soon.. If it can make entire songs it can obviously make the synths and other gear used to produce those sounds so we could use them to make our tracks provided by some VST-derived interface. A better way than a mouse to interface with whatever AI host would be vital. I can imagine even conventional plugins becoming obsolete soon.
@@VultureCulture The new Nectar controller points in the general direction though I imagine any future AI synth interface will feature some sort of reactive, meaning pre-designed and/or user created controller assignments emulating the controls one might find on a conventional hands-on synth, just with vastly expanded soundsets and features. The knobs on some Behringer controller gear has endless encoders with position leds. Maybe something like that with an OLED screen for each knob and fader.. might cost a few $$ more than what you pay now for a controller keyboard but you will get a universe of sound in return and save tons of space !
What would be a lot more useful to people would showing us how you can program your own beats...and how you can control it. For example , how could it be sequenced by an out board machine. Can it be sequenced internally...no one ever does anything much on using controllers...and that is the biggest head fck for most people . Sure it sounds good but that could be shown in 15 minutes...all you did here was play sounds for an hour.
Yeah, i guess I mostly just sequence in a DAW so I hadn't considered that. I'm mostly interested in how gear sounds at this point, but some tutorials on how to sequence is a good idea.
The only time jaw dropping should be referenced when talking/writing about a drum machine is if someone got smashed in the face with a drum machine.😅 Seriously though, looks/sounds pretty cool for the folks that are into this sort of thing.
It's not an "Oberheim DMX plugin" that would imply it's circuit modelled. This is basically a rompler. Doesn't sound anything like an actual Oberheim DMX. Get VPROM and get a hold of the DMX EPROM's. That would be a lot closer to an actual emulation You should do a comparison just so you can hear how there's really nothing being brought to the table. It's kinda sad that Oberheim would endorse this
Correction: 20 euro, not 20 dollas for the intro sale.
...anytime if I had an audio computer instead of a KORG D 32 XD
same thing when you add sales tax
Great price thx
Actually 20 Pounds + VAT :)
The whole time I watched this, one thing kept playing back in my head the whole time... "One for the treble, two for the bass come on Davy D let's rock this place!" Talk about nostalgia!!!!
the only song that matters..
Ideally they will do an update with separate outs!
GForce is good at making these recreations, and there are lots of nice features in this product-for instance extensive CC controls. There are however two glaring omissions that were central to the DMX product line. First is separate outs, and in this case GForce should implement a separate stereo channel out for each instrument, because that is how we use things today.
The second glaring omission is the ability to load in samples. These were swappable chip based machines. Even Oberheim released the Prommer to support this ability of the DMX.
Considering all sequencing is done outside of the plugin, which is fine, they basically have a very nice simple sample playback plugin, which is weak on DMX features.
I know GForce watches these videos, so I hope they see this comment!
@@VultureCulture Another omission is the ability for multiouts... unless I'm missing something. I bought it and see no way to split up the outputs. The original machine had 8 outs and some of these knockoffs do as well.
The BEAT kick and snare samples originated from the Art Of Noise track called “Beatbox”. They were sampled from that track to eprom chips back in 1984. And the guy that sampled them was Daniel Sofer. He worked for Oberheim and wrote several user-manuals for Oberheim. Daniel made a lot of eprom samples for the DMX.
That's awesome! Thank you for sharing that info!
Thanks for this info. I had the Linndrum instead of the Dmx but found these sounds were hard to find here in england, but believe both machines shared the same 2732k eprom chips.
It's pretty awesome, picked it up yesterday. Starting to really love GForce.
It's so good, and I really feel like they're leading the charge of getting it right when it comes to vintage emulations.
My first drum machine. I loved it, but it would not sync to tape so as soon as I got a Yamaha that would, I sold it. I always regretted that decision. But now finally a plug! I jumped on this immediately and I'm in love all over again!
Awesome! What Yamaha did you get that could sync to tape? I recently got a Tascam 688 and have been fascinated by tape sync
In those early days I had a tascam 388 and a Yamaha sequencer. I would sync that to tape with an interface which I don't remember now what it was. But it took one channel for the sync which left 7 for anything I used a mike for, vocals, acoustic guitar, mandolin etc. and then I would sequence most everything else and the drum machine which I think was an RX15 would sync to that via MIDI. But it's been so long since I had that set up I don't remember the exact way it worked, but it did work. I then went to the ADAT vhs tape machines and then to the ADAT 24 track machines until computers got good enough to overcome the latency that was a problem in the early days. I now have 48 tracks using Cakewalk, which I have used since it came out, in the early days for midi and now for everything. I come out of my computer via two Hammerfall interfaces into my mixer, yamaha DM2000 and it's a dream set up. And with all the plugins we have now it's a bit like Disney World compared to those early days. But my earliest days go back to before I had my own studio where I learned to "engineer" or produce using two 2 track Ampex tape machines and an 8 channel tube board. Mid 60's At Atlanta Sound Studios. But that's another topic for another day lol!
Great recreation! I bought it a few days ago…the additional sound banks are cool too. You’ll love the EQ and the ability to change the filters on it!!
£20 to get the official Oberheim plugin? no-brainer! Thanks for the review man :)
Excellent review man. I too was a bit annoyed at the lack of a multi out. There is a workaround though and the sound is top notch. At this price point? No brainer.
I'm guessing your 'workaround' is the same as mine? Multiple instances?
Email their support and ask for multi-outs, the more that do, the more likely they'll happen.
GREAT plugin otherwise though, and some of us are old enough to have used the real hardware, along with a few other machines of that time... this one really is very good!
@@groovedealerfeaturing-ashl6476 not exactly. My method will be to set it up as I would like it, then solo each sound and do a render. It means commitment to the sound but that is all good. I have indeed emailed support regarding this and they have said that they are planning some upgrades in the future so let's see. Real glad to know that you endorse the plugin as a user of the original kit, G-Force are doing great things 👍🏾
@@StellarWorks2023 ah, I see, so kind of similar then.
If you want to save time and your system will cope with it, try multiple instances once you've done your programming, you can export in one pass then and save a bit of time.
This 100% needs separate outputs just as the hardware has. Re did Ensoniq have a drum machine. I don't believe they did, specifically, but they did have the ASR-X, basically their version of an MPC.
Wait, the 8 drums don't have separate channel outputs? That's dissappointing
@@rico77yt sadly not at the moment. I have heard it's on list for future update. Fairly major oversize IMO.
@@SonicVision Thanks for the heads up. Someone mentioned the VPROM in this thread. Currently checking out that option, seems like a better alternative so far.
@rico77yt probably going to be in an update soon
@@VultureCulture I, and I'm sure many others, hope so.
Vprom is far superior:
-Highly accurate sound using EPROM decoding
- It has DMX sounds
-Flexibility to load sounds from many vintage drum machines (you can load your own samples // "Samples from Mars" for example
-Individual outputs for all sounds
-Realistic hi-hat behavior
-Built-in sequencer
Great video! Love your stuff
Appreciate you! I'll definitely have to check out Vprom! 🙏
I own a real Oberheim DX and I have to agree with you. The Vprom demo I found on TH-cam sounded a LOT closer to the real drum machine to my ear.
Can’t disagree with your points. I, for one, am happy that there is no built in sequencer. Since I use it as a virtual instrument within a DAW, the DAW is the sequencer. Also, GForce have now given the DMX individual outs for the mix, all individual drum tracks and delay and reverb.
No individual outputs
Great plugin!
Great price!
Thanks for the review
Glad you found it helpful!
Actually, one of the best hardware emulations of all those machines is the wonderful VPROM!
Exactly, it's way better than this sample playing box with fx, Vprom can actually load eprom data too
I just bought this thing. Running it through my SP-404 MKII with some compression sounds amazing.
Nice!
Great drum vst, price is awesome. Thanks for showing it.
I dig those sounds alot & know them very well. To me it was like a celebration listening. 🎉
Really was a lot of fun!
Nice plugin for a very good price! But seems like a bit too much filtering going as for vintage drum machine. And you’re right about vintage hardware pitching - I love pitching down on Yamaha RX5. I have RXUSB cartridge that allows to have custom 8- or 12-bit samples, which opens the whole world of possibilities. EG on RX5 is real good for drum sounds.
Double or triple using additional dx(s)
Yo! I'm just curious if I should be entering a coupon code or anything to give you credit? Cause I'm def picking one of these up thanks to your rec!
I appreciate it but I don't have a code or anything! Hopefully GForce notices I've helped them sell some units.
Thank you very much! 🙏
Def a cool piece of software, but in my opinion, VPROM with the legends bank is far more accurate in terms of how the sound is produced. It appears that this software is dependent on recorded samples, where as VPROM literally uses the converted EPROM/BIN files, as well as simulating the DAC of the unit in addition of varying the sample rate per sound to achieve the correct way that the unit raises and lowers the pitch of the sound. Don't get me wrong, this is definitely neat and is priced extremely reasonably, but this doesn't really do it for me. Even with the proper Oberheim branding and aesthetic.
Another Chroma Polaris owner here in Manchester, UK! Hi all!
I played a lot of those over the years in NY shops.. new ones when they came out and used ones many years later.. was always in a tough spot and unable to buy.. they sound really really great.
if OB EZ had an audio in this could be mangled further :) if i could figure out my novation zero II it be a good controller for this.
Would be nice if you could load in your own samples and it had outputs on each sound
I have the Behringer Pro800, it sounds amazing and I don't care if it's 100% identical to a Prophet 600. Behringer Model D and Pro 1 are great synths, almost identical to the originals. Those silly little Behringer synths like the Prophet VS Mini aren't worth the bother IMO. (Except maybe the JT-4000, which sounds nothing like a JP8000, but it's cool and it's own thing.
I have kinda mixed feeling of these drum machine plugins. The real things just was better and the real fun was all the mods that existed to change eproms and make them sound real dirty with how the samples was read and bit crushed and some of us just used them for regular drum sounds. I had my share of drum machines over the years. Still have an SR16 and R8M in the basement. Started with a Yamaha RX11, Alesis HR16, HR16B, SR16. The R8M propably what I liked the most because it just sounded so darn good. I remember Arturia actually had a pretty good Drum plugin years ago with a huge selection of those old but saught out drum beasts that sounded not very realistic but is used on countless pop hits and electronic music. I got it in a not so "official" version .. lol but they doesn't seem to make it anymore. I tried a couple years back to find more PCM cards for the R8M but also found out they are freakin rare now and hillarious in price. I have 2 cards myself which is a Jazz card and a Brush card and they were pretty good samplings for its time and the feel Patches that made the sounds slightly random in pitch and the EG and timing for the regular version with patterns was a game changer. Still a decent good machine even 30 years later.
I appreciate that GForce went through the trouble of actually sampling all the different mods and styles (like recording to cassette) people did back then to get those machines to sound dirty and different.
@@VultureCulture Ya no question that must have beenquit an ammount of samples
I'm on the fence about picking this up, but from what I can see, you can load custom EPROMs onto it (and I think it comes with some Drumtraks ones loaded by default). So if you want to throw some Linn EPROMs in here, you should be able to (or also check out the VPROM emulator, similar to this but focussed on the LM-1)
Bought it yesterday. Mapping is great, and programming in (any?) DAW is a breeze. I use Logic, so using the Step Sequencer with it is a must… 20€ for such a quality plugin is a no-brainer… 😸〰🎶
Yeah it's an absolutely sick deal
Great Dmx Video 😊
Just a heads up I could not get it to work in Fl Studio . It would not export the midi patterns and I could not play the preset rhythms . I submitted a ticket but zero response .
How long since you reached out to GForce?
@@VultureCulture 2 days still no word
@gp9204 let me know when they get back to you.
@@VultureCulture Problem solved. I didnt realize it didnt have a sequencer and MIDI patterns have to be dragged in. All good now :)
I have missed the stream. ☹️ - was doing some upgrades and forgot about time and day, LOL.
All the Linn voices available
Great Demo Cheers
I appreciate it 🙏🙏
I always miss the stream !!? FUNK ! 🍻🍻
Aly James lab lm1 and this is pretty much all you need for anything 80s
Yoooo !!!
Was super exited by this but it quikly faded away after download ....
Some features were missed (if i want my clap control indepndant to my shaker !!) and sonicaly my other options always wun in my test (UVI beat box anthology ,ect ..)
Sorry to have missed this one !!!!
Do you think you can have a Take 5 in your hands (or a Rev 2 ) ?
I'm not currently looking to buy any modern synths, but both those synths are great
@@VultureCulture I thougth you get some synths from friends or shops , so you buy stuff for reviews ?
what an excuse (to buy stuff) lol
@ZozillaThaGreat 95% of my videos are synths I've bought. Never gotten anything from a shop for free lol.
Rhythm is gonna get you !
Tonite!
“..Want to be startin’ something’..!!” 25:21
Fuck yeah!
Maybe time to discuss whether AI can replace all of this stuff soon.. If it can make entire songs it can obviously make the synths and other gear used to produce those sounds so we could use them to make our tracks provided by some VST-derived interface. A better way than a mouse to interface with whatever AI host would be vital. I can imagine even conventional plugins becoming obsolete soon.
It's certainly not impossible, and almost a certainty given enough time.
@@VultureCulture The new Nectar controller points in the general direction though I imagine any future AI synth interface will feature some sort of reactive, meaning pre-designed and/or user created controller assignments emulating the controls one might find on a conventional hands-on synth, just with vastly expanded soundsets and features. The knobs on some Behringer controller gear has endless encoders with position leds. Maybe something like that with an OLED screen for each knob and fader.. might cost a few $$ more than what you pay now for a controller keyboard but you will get a universe of sound in return and save tons of space !
PayPal charged me $26.31 here in the US
What would be a lot more useful to people would showing us how you can program your own beats...and how you can control it. For example , how could it be sequenced by an out board machine. Can it be sequenced internally...no one ever does anything much on using controllers...and that is the biggest head fck for most people . Sure it sounds good but that could be shown in 15 minutes...all you did here was play sounds for an hour.
Yeah, i guess I mostly just sequence in a DAW so I hadn't considered that. I'm mostly interested in how gear sounds at this point, but some tutorials on how to sequence is a good idea.
WOOF!! WOOF!! Oh, not that DMX 😂🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Fuck waitin' for you to get it on your own, X gon' deliver to ya!!
The only time jaw dropping should be referenced when talking/writing about a drum machine is if someone got smashed in the face with a drum machine.😅
Seriously though, looks/sounds pretty cool for the folks that are into this sort of thing.
A very cool, very reasonably priced product.
Lets hear your flam
It's not an "Oberheim DMX plugin" that would imply it's circuit modelled. This is basically a rompler. Doesn't sound anything like an actual Oberheim DMX. Get VPROM and get a hold of the DMX EPROM's. That would be a lot closer to an actual emulation
You should do a comparison just so you can hear how there's really nothing being brought to the table. It's kinda sad that Oberheim would endorse this
It's called DMX and no dog barking samples?? Not buying.
Hahahaha