Perhaps the next theorem video could be why move sets (like mix attacking, fast physical, bulky special, etc) are close to everything or the Dragonite theorem
I mean... How many bug types and quiver dance mons are actually good in ou? Volcarona was banned at one point in gen 9, but other than that? Being good in lower tiers isn't worth writing about
Oh yeah, in doubles you can use mean look on your own falinks to make it unable to switch out before using no retreat, which makes you able to click no retreat as much as you want. It's basically just a free omniboost at that point.
@@ItsDaNewGuy ...Im not sure what you're trying to say... One of the many reasons why Zamazenta is dominating VGC (and why Zacian fell hard) this regulation is that Body Press isn't affected by Intimidate and thus is a physical attacking legendary that doesn't need the Clear Amulet item.
@@ExcalibeonSwordofEeveelutions Body Press doesn't attack by using the defense stat. It makes the attack stat have the same values as the defense stat. So defense boosts will increase the defense stat, thus raising the attack stat as well for only Body Press. Then, when you get intimidated, the attack stat gets lowered. The reason it acts like it isn't affected by Intimidate is because the defense stats are so high that it deals more damage even after getting hit with an attack lowering.
17:05 - Fun Fact: Clagorous Soul is considered a Dance move... Not a lot of people are aware of this giving it a great surprise factor on top of an additional Omni Boost to an Oricorio, whether it be from a Teammate or Opponent Kommo-o.
@@determineddaaf3 it can be downright broken even in OU, if the opponent doesn't go for Taunts or Fake Outs turn 1 (which can be countered) you basically sweep the entire match. Since Oricorio can also learn Tailwind, a Turn 1 Quiver Dance from a Volcarona or Lilligant and Tailwind from Oricorio you'll be outspeeding even most Swift Swimmers. Run Firey Dance on Volcarona for the chance to raise SpAtk more or Petal Dance on Lilligant for large base damage (run Own Tempo to never be confused) and it allows Oricorio to attack twice in one turn. As well Oricorio's Revelation Dance acts like a better Tera Blast, the move's typing it decided by the user's Primary Typing so on base it'll have one of the 4 Oricorio Form's Type (Psychic, Fire, Electric, and imo the best Ghost) but then if you Tera the Oricorio its Rev-Dance will become its Tera Type. Have Ghost Oricorio to ignore Fake Outs, then Tera Ground when the opponent sends in an Electric Type suddenly having their attack nullified and hit with a 90 base power stab +1 special ground move...
@@determineddaaf3 welp... I had a whole detailed comment typed out but now it's gone. 😑 I ain't typing all that again so, Oricorio can be busted even in OU. It learns Tailwind so you can Turn 1 Quiver Dance + Tailwind in Doubles at outspeed damn near everything, then use Firey Dance or Pedal Dance so you get 3 attacks in 1 turn.
its original Japanese name literally means "soul beat", which could probably remind you something related to dance. Also, its Chinese translation contains the character 舞(dance), so it would be easier for Chinese players to get this.
@@honestshao6160 admittedly the names have never been perfect, Population B0mb is affected by Sharpness, Huge Power and Pure Power have two different names because in Japanese Huge Power is more of a pun aimed at rabbits/bunnies, Aqua Step is another move considered a Dance, etc. So I couldn't blame anyone for not understanding every classification even in their native/regional language.
Wait, no No Retreat? Well yea, the pokemon using it is quite bad, but still, with the correct mon, it's broken, it's quite the cheese move in Balanced Hackmon. I want Victory Dance for Victiny.
no retreat in BH requires very very very specific improofs such as 160 spdef evs on lunala, and spooky plate on both lunala and ghostceus. Its not cheese because you have to actually play well with it to not lose to chansey
@@alathreon8315 there are mons that you don't have to even play well with to improof though, meaning that the no retreat users aren't even close to problematic, let alone broken. For example, in NDBH zacian crowned can improof itself by using helmet pixilate and then just take over a game because the chansey killed itself clicking population bomb.
@@alathreon8315 furscales/prankster mega audino is a very common pokemon and there are also some other niche prankster topsy turvy mons capable of checking it. In metagames with spectral thief it's even easier to check. I'm not saying no retreat isn't hard to play around when out of position, but it's a lot more manageable and not even close to cheese or broken
FSG missed 2 things when speaking on Geomancy. First was XY fullpass who would pack 5 support pokemon including 2 memento users, usually whimsicott + cottonee just to set up Geomancy bp smeargle into espeon giving it a 560 bp stored power through moody accumulations and geomancy. Second thing they missed about Geomancy is Z Geomancy Xerneas, who was a screens HO exclusive in SM, but Z Geomancy gave you an omniboost + geomancy, so you became basically unkillable paired with ingrain and rest. The only way to beat this mon was unaware, since phasing couldnt beat it and +6 moonblast would 2hko even full spdef Ho Oh
@@skeetermania3202 pex is generally a more restricting mon to put on teams in Gen 7 Ubers, but it works in theory. The problem is that Z geo xern teams would often employ shadow taggers to remove Xerneas checks before it gets sent out, such as charm gothitelle and mega gengar to remove Necrozma Dusk Mane. These would often be useful in removing toxapex as well before the xerneas went for the sweep, so in theory it works in practice you gotta run shed shell toxapex which is a massive waste of a pex.
@@skeetermania3202 idk why my reply disappeared but Pex is a harder mon to fit in Gen 7 Ubers mainly because it doesn't deal with the biggest threats in the tier as well as other pokemon, and also because you gotta run shed shell to not get giga pp stalled by gothitelle or mega gengar. In addition +2 thunder from standard non Z geo xerneas smashes it so you typically don't use it to check xerneas anyways.
@@skeetermania3202 I understand but most xerneas are the regular geomancy set, so you would need to scout first and by then it probably already took 1 or more KOs
Just a side note about the disrespect towards Coil, that accuracy boost is way more significant when you factor into Zygarde mostly running Dragon Tail for STAB, a move that has an extremely contentious 90% accuracy. The reality is that in this game, any move that doesn't have 100% accuracy may as well have 50%. The problem is that, while the player has more agency in running that risk with moves that have 50-85% accuracy, moves with 90-95% accuracy missing feel much more like the game is cheating the players rather than the players having gambled and lost. Especially when a lot of the time these 90-95% accurate moves don't even have real alternatives, like Play Rough, and even Rock Slide which has a pitifully low power. So it's worthwhile to have Coil boosting accuracy when a single miss could cost you your setup sweep. Especially if Zygarde is also running a surprise Iron Tail to specifically hit Fairy Types harder, the accuracy boost isn't negligible, it's probably the most useful stat to boost in the game and the problem is ways to boost accuracy aren't as widespread or reliable. I'd say Accuracy is even more important than Speed.
Yea tell me how going up and punching something has 90% accuracy but the projectle moon throw has higer power and doesn't ever miss (and can't be intimidated)
@@kevinumana3582 True, Hypnosis Coil is a menace, with one Coil Milotic has an 80% accurate sleep move, remember prime Dark Void? With 2 Coils Milotic is just primed to sleep and sweep your entire team depending on the rules and if the team comp can afford a status absorber just to take the sleep in the first place, but it's not like Milotic is made of glass and paper either, so it could almost guarantee a minimum 2 for 1 trade if its checks/counters are taken care of.
You forgot to mention Z-Conversion on Porygon Z. I mean how perfect it sounds and it worked really well too, since giving omniboost to Porygon with adaptability boosted thunderbolt or thunder could easily sweep whole teams. This set could still be occasionally seen in NatDex
About coil What makes the accuracy boost huge is when you realize that physical attacks actually have tendencies to miss a lot more often than special attacks Plus, if a move has 75 accuracy and above, one accuracy boost makes them 100 Garchomp, using hone claws, gets to incite ptsd in other players by spamming dragon rushes that cant miss, alongside stone edges and namely iron tails that all cant miss, and in alola, pairing that with a darknium Z turned hone claws into an accuracy boosting swords dance Took me a while to understand how awesome hone claws/coil is, and im pushing for wider distribution for it as a result Just think about moves that have less accuracy to balance their power, and how one accuracy boost can impact that
@@12jswilson all I think about is the possibility of missing at the worst time and losing the battle because of it I like consistency over everything else Besides, I find acrobatics to be a serviceable, and pretty fun alternative with eviolite
Volcorona: alright boys listen here. Saying something is “gangster” is dissing your fly girl. Just hit him with one of these **proceeds to break it down**
Imagine if Flygon got a Bug version of Steelworker, 20 points added to Special Attack, and Quiver Dance. Players would be forced to guess which set of Flygon is being used.
I feel like we need an ability like Sharpness but for sound-based moves, there are quite a lot of pokemon that learn a lot of sound-based moves and somewhat have it as their theme, I think it would be interesting. And I know punk-rock exists, but it would be that but more wide spread and without the resistance to sound-based moves. I suppose Flygon could get it (it also gets boomburst as a move), but it's generally more used as a physical attacker.
@@determineddaaf3it would be a ability like iron fist or tough claws (like 1.2x or 1.3x) a 1.5x boost like sharpnesses would be just OP for Boombust users
@@PixieDiamondDew like the other comment you awnsered wrote, toxtricity already is what you describe, since it gives a 1,3x boost to sound moves + half damage from them, making it also a resist version of soundproof instead of immune. You could just do the protean/libero thing, where the ability does the same thing, just changes the name. Have nice day/night. Also sorry if i'm late
I kinda wish they had at least given an honorable mention to Growth while in Sunlight. Getting a double boost to both attacking stats, while not as meaningful as some of the other extreme boosts, is still worthy of representation. 🌞🌱
Pokemon set up moves are broken and i have been saying this for a while but many don't seem to care. Those moves that Boost the stats by 2 stages or many by 1 should have some kind of restriction but they don't
I will never forget the feeling I experienced when I was playing Gen 7 doubles only to see my opponent lead with a Skitty and an Eevee, then proceeded to watch as my entire team got taken out by a simple beam boosted extreme evoboost baton passed onto a Mimikyu.
Extreme Evoboost mention 🎉 In VGC I liked using it next to simple beam smeargle for an omni +4 boost. Great fun. I've shifted over to using it in NatDex doubles.
the shell smash set i typically see with cloyster in showdown was smash, explosion, icicle spear, and rock blast with skill link (that's the real thing that puts cloyster over the edge with shell smash is the combo with skill link), but there's one other z move that's an extreme booster, but it's only available on a few mons: z-celebrate. it gives an omniboost and the thing i saw it on most in gen 7 randoms was malamar, since the omniboost ignores contrary and that sets up for a deadly sweep with one superpower essentially already done. unless the malamar was staring down the barrel of first impression or some other bug move from something faster, there's limited counterplay to it and it's a poor man's version of having to use a turn to set up any other extreme boosting move.
Clangorous soul has another unique property to it, where it will activate the throat spray held item when used. Meaning you get a +1 to all stats and another +1 to its special attack. At which point clanging scales, flash cannon and boomburst all go insane-o mode.
The nod to bulk up in coil was pretty cool. LOVE all the information and facts Pokemon is such a diverse and so many little details that can have huge impact. Great video thank you!
Eevee having a niche in Ubers just for the sake of Baton Passing stat boost is frickin hilarious! Now, think you guys could do a video on recovery moves. Absorb, Recover, Mega drain, etc.
Coil was good on VGC Milotic sets in some gens because it boosted its defense (when its special defense was its better stat). Combine that new bulk with more accurate Hypnosis (which we saw how devastating its boosted accuracy was in Gen 4), and it was a relatively solid pick.
Something to note about Coil was how terrifying Milotic was using it in VGC. Milo used to spam hypnosis because of that accuracy boost. It was never meta defining but it was super irritating
While not canon, I played a fan game with a regional form of milotic that swaps it's attack and special attack stats and becomes a poison fairy type, it's great at using coil throw around gunk shots and play roughs
There's a couple other moves that, when used with a Z-Crystal, would also become extreme boosting moves. The two examples I can think of on the spot: - Splash. Yep, that's not a joke. Z-Splash would actually increase the user's Attack stat by 3 stages! Although I fancied it for some meme movesets (e.g. physical Mantine), no Pokemon really made competitive use of it, given they either didn't have a good physical attack and movepool to begin with, already had access to good physical boosting moves, or didn't have the bulk required to successfully set-up for one turn. - Acupressure. On top of increasing a random stat by 2 stages, Z-Acupressure would also increase the user's critical hit ratio by 2 stages. On Drapion especially, this was pretty powerful because he had access to the Sniper ability and had an increased hit ratio move for both of his STABs, making him reach a 100% crit ratio for 2.25 times more damage. If you were lucky, you'd land on the Attack stat and deal 4.5 times more damage, or you'd land on the Speed stat and essentially have a double Dragon Dance.
I love using soul blaze z-clanging scales in nat dex, even though it was almost impossible getting it going. Id say something dumb in chat just before the second boost like its morbing time or this is to go even further beyond.
Lead Drizzle Pelipper and Orthworm with Coil and Iron Tail if I want to stay in, Shed Tail if I want to switch to Drednaw with Swift Swim. Set up Shell Smash behind the substitute from Shed Tail. And have fun.
rip No Retreat, was left off the list giving a +5 to the user with the downside of being unable to switch out. But as always another amazing video FSG.
Another extreme boosting move is No Retreat, the signature move of Falinks wich gives an omniboost with the drawback that you cannot switch once the move is activated.
You missed one detail: coil milotic. It used it a lot to keep its defence up and also boost accuracy for high accuracy hypnosis! Sometimes even making milotic use physical moves (especially dragon tail even on special sets), but quite often still using special moves. This does mean it doesn't use the physical attack stat boost as much, but it is worth mentioning for sure! (Maybe you can even pin this as extra information to your video?)
Honorable mention to Magnetic Flux. It only boosts both defenses, but it can boost the defenses of both you and your partner. One move would essentially giving +4 to your pokemon.
Perhaps the next theorem video could be why move sets (like mix attacking, fast physical, bulky special, etc) are close to everything or the Dragonite theorem
i always runa hoenn team in natDex and most of my sweeps are from gorebyss, shell smash is such a good move that make "useless" mons like gorebyss extremely useful
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Perhaps the next theorem video could be why move sets (like mix attacking, fast physical, bulky special, etc) are close to everything or the Dragonite theorem
VOLCARONA MENTIONED!
No belly drum?
Dragalge, magcargo, drifblim or rotom and all of his forms! 💪💪💪
I bet the Pokémon Go GBL still has lag and frame drops even on the REDMAGIC.
Quiver dance is Arceus's gift to bug types and dancers
I want Mewtwo to learn quiver dance
@@MrMacdaddymcfly no, all the hitmons should get victory dance
@@discodeath8425give them that and it solves a lot of that lines issues, and might even give them a few tiers
And shell smash is smeargles gift
I mean... How many bug types and quiver dance mons are actually good in ou? Volcarona was banned at one point in gen 9, but other than that?
Being good in lower tiers isn't worth writing about
Eevee breaking Ubers over its knee wasnt something I expected to hear today but its so funny, I love it
eevee no havs nees
@@substitutedoll5224true, no clue what knees he’s talking about.
cuteness overlord
Ubers: batman
Eevee: bane
@@msophoslet's see Eevee's kneevees
Quiver Dance: "You are safe now my sweet child."
Basic butterfly level mons: "I owe you my life-"
Volcarona: "UNLIMITED POWER."
lmaooo
Darth Volcarona: Execute Order 66
*Sweeps enemy team
Lol Venemoth was a legit OU threat because of it in combination with baton pass and compound eyes sleep powder before BP got its ban.
Volcarona after being banned: *Your arrogance blinds you, OU Council.*
Lmao true, frosmoth is actually terrifying in ranbats with ice scales after you've dealt with physical attackers also
You forgot to mention that Clangorous Soul is a sound based move so can be combined with Throat Spray to get +2 SPA.
*takes notes*
Or Tera Normal Boomburst.
whoa wait that's craz- WAIT IT'S A Z MOVE you got me there
@@justenoughrandomness8989Clangorous Soul is not a Z-move.
But can be blocked by soundproof
Three things are certain in life, death, taxes, and Volcarona sweeps!
you mean laundry and volcarona sweeps?
Someone who pays no taxes passing through
I’m crazy enough to take on Quiver Dance Volcarona, but the IRS? No thank you!
you aren't a multi-millionaire business owner though. the ZuBat definetly don't pay his taxes
@@snapclub8751 I did it in a mark Hamil’s voice
She smashes sea shells on the sea shore
*by the
nah she smashing the shells on the shore
But the value of those Shell Smashers shall fall
Due to the effect of power creep
No one will Smash if the cost is too steep
But the value of both of her defenses will fall
Due to the rule of sucker punch kingambit
no one wants to shell smash cause priority is a habit
"After his third quiver dance, volcarona was effectively immortal"
*Tuca donca intensifies*
“If Volcarona used Quiver Dance on me, it might give me a little trouble.”
“But would you lose?”
“Nah, I’d be Unaware.”
Quagsire won…
Next panel:
Quag/sire hit by giga drain
@@yonkodude
”crit liquidation”
“Gigas drain”
@@darianjenkins2630nah I'd Quag
*laughs in Lycanroc-D with Accelerock*
Falinks with No Retreat: Am I a joke to you?
Oh yeah, in doubles you can use mean look on your own falinks to make it unable to switch out before using no retreat, which makes you able to click no retreat as much as you want. It's basically just a free omniboost at that point.
No Z-Splash also
@@Kyogre9600Z-Splash is very different from Falinks' No Retreat, what do you mean?
Yes, yes you are.
@@PsychicStorytellerbecause it’s another 3+ boost that wasn’t mentioned in the video.
Consider this. Iron Defense is a Physical version of Gen 1 Amnesia for Body Press users that also grants an effective Intimidate immunity for free.
@@ItsDaNewGuy No it doesn't. It uses the defense along with stat changes. Drops in attack don't matter
@@ItsDaNewGuy ...Im not sure what you're trying to say...
One of the many reasons why Zamazenta is dominating VGC (and why Zacian fell hard) this regulation is that Body Press isn't affected by Intimidate and thus is a physical attacking legendary that doesn't need the Clear Amulet item.
@@ExcalibeonSwordofEeveelutions Body Press doesn't attack by using the defense stat. It makes the attack stat have the same values as the defense stat. So defense boosts will increase the defense stat, thus raising the attack stat as well for only Body Press.
Then, when you get intimidated, the attack stat gets lowered.
The reason it acts like it isn't affected by Intimidate is because the defense stats are so high that it deals more damage even after getting hit with an attack lowering.
@@ExcalibeonSwordofEeveelutions At least, I was told that by people who play competitive Pokémon.
@@ItsDaNewGuyno lmao
17:05 - Fun Fact: Clagorous Soul is considered a Dance move... Not a lot of people are aware of this giving it a great surprise factor on top of an additional Omni Boost to an Oricorio, whether it be from a Teammate or Opponent Kommo-o.
Interesting, I always found Dancer an interesting ability too.
@@determineddaaf3 it can be downright broken even in OU, if the opponent doesn't go for Taunts or Fake Outs turn 1 (which can be countered) you basically sweep the entire match.
Since Oricorio can also learn Tailwind, a Turn 1 Quiver Dance from a Volcarona or Lilligant and Tailwind from Oricorio you'll be outspeeding even most Swift Swimmers. Run Firey Dance on Volcarona for the chance to raise SpAtk more or Petal Dance on Lilligant for large base damage (run Own Tempo to never be confused) and it allows Oricorio to attack twice in one turn.
As well Oricorio's Revelation Dance acts like a better Tera Blast, the move's typing it decided by the user's Primary Typing so on base it'll have one of the 4 Oricorio Form's Type (Psychic, Fire, Electric, and imo the best Ghost) but then if you Tera the Oricorio its Rev-Dance will become its Tera Type. Have Ghost Oricorio to ignore Fake Outs, then Tera Ground when the opponent sends in an Electric Type suddenly having their attack nullified and hit with a 90 base power stab +1 special ground move...
@@determineddaaf3 welp... I had a whole detailed comment typed out but now it's gone. 😑
I ain't typing all that again so, Oricorio can be busted even in OU. It learns Tailwind so you can Turn 1 Quiver Dance + Tailwind in Doubles at outspeed damn near everything, then use Firey Dance or Pedal Dance so you get 3 attacks in 1 turn.
its original Japanese name literally means "soul beat", which could probably remind you something related to dance. Also, its Chinese translation contains the character 舞(dance), so it would be easier for Chinese players to get this.
@@honestshao6160 admittedly the names have never been perfect, Population B0mb is affected by Sharpness, Huge Power and Pure Power have two different names because in Japanese Huge Power is more of a pun aimed at rabbits/bunnies, Aqua Step is another move considered a Dance, etc.
So I couldn't blame anyone for not understanding every classification even in their native/regional language.
Shift Gear - "Give it to Metagross and watch things drop" Please? Can we please have this gamefreak?
No they hate gen 3, same reason ttar will never get the dark type punching move while having all the elemental punches lol
And that is how bad the power creep is.
@@GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm I need them to go ahead and buff Tauros, Arbok, and some others just to combat this lol stats and moveset
Play pokerogue he has it there
@@AudioGAWDmake hyper beam have the recharge skipped on a KO again
Wait, no No Retreat? Well yea, the pokemon using it is quite bad, but still, with the correct mon, it's broken, it's quite the cheese move in Balanced Hackmon.
I want Victory Dance for Victiny.
no retreat in BH requires very very very specific improofs such as 160 spdef evs on lunala, and spooky plate on both lunala and ghostceus. Its not cheese because you have to actually play well with it to not lose to chansey
@@1peidu well, that's how you play the whole tier indeed.
@@alathreon8315 there are mons that you don't have to even play well with to improof though, meaning that the no retreat users aren't even close to problematic, let alone broken. For example, in NDBH zacian crowned can improof itself by using helmet pixilate and then just take over a game because the chansey killed itself clicking population bomb.
@@1peidu same goes for arceus ghost jugment with no retreat.
@@alathreon8315 furscales/prankster mega audino is a very common pokemon and there are also some other niche prankster topsy turvy mons capable of checking it. In metagames with spectral thief it's even easier to check. I'm not saying no retreat isn't hard to play around when out of position, but it's a lot more manageable and not even close to cheese or broken
Ok, thats Jim and FS's video on boosting moves, now we just need Wolfys video
Haha I was like didn’t Jim just do this? Not saying FSG stole the idea btw their videos take way longer to make just funny to me
FSG missed 2 things when speaking on Geomancy. First was XY fullpass who would pack 5 support pokemon including 2 memento users, usually whimsicott + cottonee just to set up Geomancy bp smeargle into espeon giving it a 560 bp stored power through moody accumulations and geomancy. Second thing they missed about Geomancy is Z Geomancy Xerneas, who was a screens HO exclusive in SM, but Z Geomancy gave you an omniboost + geomancy, so you became basically unkillable paired with ingrain and rest. The only way to beat this mon was unaware, since phasing couldnt beat it and +6 moonblast would 2hko even full spdef Ho Oh
Could Toxapex Haze?
@@skeetermania3202 pex is generally a more restricting mon to put on teams in Gen 7 Ubers, but it works in theory. The problem is that Z geo xern teams would often employ shadow taggers to remove Xerneas checks before it gets sent out, such as charm gothitelle and mega gengar to remove Necrozma Dusk Mane. These would often be useful in removing toxapex as well before the xerneas went for the sweep, so in theory it works in practice you gotta run shed shell toxapex which is a massive waste of a pex.
@@skeetermania3202 idk why my reply disappeared but Pex is a harder mon to fit in Gen 7 Ubers mainly because it doesn't deal with the biggest threats in the tier as well as other pokemon, and also because you gotta run shed shell to not get giga pp stalled by gothitelle or mega gengar. In addition +2 thunder from standard non Z geo xerneas smashes it so you typically don't use it to check xerneas anyways.
@@1peidu I was specifically referring to the Z-Geomancy set.
@@skeetermania3202 I understand but most xerneas are the regular geomancy set, so you would need to scout first and by then it probably already took 1 or more KOs
Boosting is everything. The volcarona theorem
Just a side note about the disrespect towards Coil, that accuracy boost is way more significant when you factor into Zygarde mostly running Dragon Tail for STAB, a move that has an extremely contentious 90% accuracy. The reality is that in this game, any move that doesn't have 100% accuracy may as well have 50%. The problem is that, while the player has more agency in running that risk with moves that have 50-85% accuracy, moves with 90-95% accuracy missing feel much more like the game is cheating the players rather than the players having gambled and lost. Especially when a lot of the time these 90-95% accurate moves don't even have real alternatives, like Play Rough, and even Rock Slide which has a pitifully low power. So it's worthwhile to have Coil boosting accuracy when a single miss could cost you your setup sweep. Especially if Zygarde is also running a surprise Iron Tail to specifically hit Fairy Types harder, the accuracy boost isn't negligible, it's probably the most useful stat to boost in the game and the problem is ways to boost accuracy aren't as widespread or reliable. I'd say Accuracy is even more important than Speed.
If it's not 100% accurate it's 50% accurate
Yea tell me how going up and punching something has 90% accuracy but the projectle moon throw has higer power and doesn't ever miss (and can't be intimidated)
Let's not forget coil milotic landing more hypnosis and using muddy water to get more chances of dropping opponents accuracy
fun fact: one Coil boosts Iron Tail's accuracy to exactly 100%
@@kevinumana3582 True, Hypnosis Coil is a menace, with one Coil Milotic has an 80% accurate sleep move, remember prime Dark Void? With 2 Coils Milotic is just primed to sleep and sweep your entire team depending on the rules and if the team comp can afford a status absorber just to take the sleep in the first place, but it's not like Milotic is made of glass and paper either, so it could almost guarantee a minimum 2 for 1 trade if its checks/counters are taken care of.
You forgot to mention Z-Conversion on Porygon Z. I mean how perfect it sounds and it worked really well too, since giving omniboost to Porygon with adaptability boosted thunderbolt or thunder could easily sweep whole teams. This set could still be occasionally seen in NatDex
The Tanjiro thumbnail is a masterpiece
About coil
What makes the accuracy boost huge is when you realize that physical attacks actually have tendencies to miss a lot more often than special attacks
Plus, if a move has 75 accuracy and above, one accuracy boost makes them 100
Garchomp, using hone claws, gets to incite ptsd in other players by spamming dragon rushes that cant miss, alongside stone edges and namely iron tails that all cant miss, and in alola, pairing that with a darknium Z turned hone claws into an accuracy boosting swords dance
Took me a while to understand how awesome hone claws/coil is, and im pushing for wider distribution for it as a result
Just think about moves that have less accuracy to balance their power, and how one accuracy boost can impact that
I was so upset last gen when I realized Druddigon doesn't get Dragon Rush. I wanted to have fun with Hone Claws Dragon Rush Sheer Force Druddigon
@@12jswilson that sounds horrifying
I myself am waiting for hone claws Scyther to justify [to myself] using dual wingbeat
@@adamtheriault6743 it's 90% accurate and has technician. Just use Swords Dance and take the risk
@@12jswilson all I think about is the possibility of missing at the worst time and losing the battle because of it
I like consistency over everything else
Besides, I find acrobatics to be a serviceable, and pretty fun alternative with eviolite
Wouldn't you get more mileage out of swords dance garchomp even with dragon claw, rockslide, and iron head?
You missed No Retreat on Falinks, can't believe you did my boys dirty like that.
Yeah
I think it's broken in showdown but in the regular games I destroyed falinks
Volcorona: alright boys listen here. Saying something is “gangster” is dissing your fly girl. Just hit him with one of these
**proceeds to break it down**
Quiver Dance is truly a move of all time.
Imagine if Flygon got a Bug version of Steelworker, 20 points added to Special Attack, and Quiver Dance. Players would be forced to guess which set of Flygon is being used.
I feel like we need an ability like Sharpness but for sound-based moves, there are quite a lot of pokemon that learn a lot of sound-based moves and somewhat have it as their theme, I think it would be interesting. And I know punk-rock exists, but it would be that but more wide spread and without the resistance to sound-based moves. I suppose Flygon could get it (it also gets boomburst as a move), but it's generally more used as a physical attacker.
@@determineddaaf3it would be a ability like iron fist or tough claws (like 1.2x or 1.3x) a 1.5x boost like sharpnesses would be just OP for Boombust users
@@PixieDiamondDew like the other comment you awnsered wrote, toxtricity already is what you describe, since it gives a 1,3x boost to sound moves + half damage from them, making it also a resist version of soundproof instead of immune. You could just do the protean/libero thing, where the ability does the same thing, just changes the name. Have nice day/night. Also sorry if i'm late
These thumbnails are to FREAKING GOOOOD
I kinda wish they had at least given an honorable mention to Growth while in Sunlight. Getting a double boost to both attacking stats, while not as meaningful as some of the other extreme boosts, is still worthy of representation. 🌞🌱
Are hybrid attackers who want both Attack and Special a thing in competitive play?
Nowadays we can relive the horror of amnesia sweeps with iron-press. It's not quite as extreme but it deinitely scratches the itch.
Tail glow is such a broken move.
Imagine a mon with like 120+ speed with that move and a half decent special stab. Sp Attack Stat wouldn’t even need to be high
Yet I hope chaps like Ampharos or Lumineon get it XD
@@kefkapalazzo1or prankster
Ghost type prankster with thunder wave and decent speed, then give it hex with tail glow, somethings gonna be really hurting after that
Pokemon set up moves are broken and i have been saying this for a while but many don't seem to care.
Those moves that Boost the stats by 2 stages or many by 1 should have some kind of restriction but they don't
other extreme boosting options
z-happy hour/z-celebrate, no retreat, z-mirror move(sometimes)
doubles self target beatup + justified/stamina. doubles soul heart, doubles beast boost/moxie
I will never forget the feeling I experienced when I was playing Gen 7 doubles only to see my opponent lead with a Skitty and an Eevee, then proceeded to watch as my entire team got taken out by a simple beam boosted extreme evoboost baton passed onto a Mimikyu.
Did not expect the Coil shoutout! Love their Albums to Play in the Dark!
0:32 The Silver Wind erasure...
Extreme Evoboost mention 🎉
In VGC I liked using it next to simple beam smeargle for an omni +4 boost. Great fun. I've shifted over to using it in NatDex doubles.
the shell smash set i typically see with cloyster in showdown was smash, explosion, icicle spear, and rock blast with skill link (that's the real thing that puts cloyster over the edge with shell smash is the combo with skill link), but there's one other z move that's an extreme booster, but it's only available on a few mons: z-celebrate. it gives an omniboost and the thing i saw it on most in gen 7 randoms was malamar, since the omniboost ignores contrary and that sets up for a deadly sweep with one superpower essentially already done. unless the malamar was staring down the barrel of first impression or some other bug move from something faster, there's limited counterplay to it and it's a poor man's version of having to use a turn to set up any other extreme boosting move.
Man, I haven't seen the Evo Boost animation in years.
15:52 exactly what happened to me once in a Gen 7 OU tournament LOL
Clangorous soul has another unique property to it, where it will activate the throat spray held item when used. Meaning you get a +1 to all stats and another +1 to its special attack. At which point clanging scales, flash cannon and boomburst all go insane-o mode.
No reference to no retreat? Rip my boys...
The nod to bulk up in coil was pretty cool.
LOVE all the information and facts Pokemon is such a diverse and so many little details that can have huge impact.
Great video thank you!
Eevee having a niche in Ubers just for the sake of Baton Passing stat boost is frickin hilarious! Now, think you guys could do a video on recovery moves. Absorb, Recover, Mega drain, etc.
This channel will never run out of content as long as pokemon will exist
Coil (the band) mentioned!! For anyone checking them out check out their song "Triple Sun". My personal favorite of theirs
LOVE the drum n bass background music.
Coil was good on VGC Milotic sets in some gens because it boosted its defense (when its special defense was its better stat). Combine that new bulk with more accurate Hypnosis (which we saw how devastating its boosted accuracy was in Gen 4), and it was a relatively solid pick.
The thumbnail is so fucking good ! Never thought someone would put Tanjiro's mark on my boï's forehead !
Something to note about Coil was how terrifying Milotic was using it in VGC. Milo used to spam hypnosis because of that accuracy boost. It was never meta defining but it was super irritating
I particularly liked Z-Splash, I thought it was really funny
While not canon, I played a fan game with a regional form of milotic that swaps it's attack and special attack stats and becomes a poison fairy type, it's great at using coil throw around gunk shots and play roughs
Volcarona with the demon slayer mark is a peak thumbnail 😂
There's a couple other moves that, when used with a Z-Crystal, would also become extreme boosting moves. The two examples I can think of on the spot:
- Splash. Yep, that's not a joke. Z-Splash would actually increase the user's Attack stat by 3 stages! Although I fancied it for some meme movesets (e.g. physical Mantine), no Pokemon really made competitive use of it, given they either didn't have a good physical attack and movepool to begin with, already had access to good physical boosting moves, or didn't have the bulk required to successfully set-up for one turn.
- Acupressure. On top of increasing a random stat by 2 stages, Z-Acupressure would also increase the user's critical hit ratio by 2 stages. On Drapion especially, this was pretty powerful because he had access to the Sniper ability and had an increased hit ratio move for both of his STABs, making him reach a 100% crit ratio for 2.25 times more damage. If you were lucky, you'd land on the Attack stat and deal 4.5 times more damage, or you'd land on the Speed stat and essentially have a double Dragon Dance.
15:44 in the Drayano hacks regular bee drill has high attack and technician so it’s a great fell sting sweeper
11:07 eelektross hitting those 100% accurate zap cannons
Gen 6/7 random battles quiver dance butterfree made me so happy so often. Gave me a soft spot for it
FSG loading up triple dark HO @1:12 lmao love that team
what a flex on the melee phone
In vgc I used simple beam latias into dondozo with tatsugiri to get +4 in every stat
two incineroar switches and prankster haze:
@@TheForgidbearbackers I never said it was good lol
Simple + Extreme Evoboost + Stored Power / Power Trip = TOTAL DESTRUCTION
ancient power, silver wind, ominous wind boosts for all. such wonderful text
Pokemon Masters mentioned, instant subscribe
Volcarona has become my go to fire type in any game it is in, especially if it's insurgence,
I love using soul blaze z-clanging scales in nat dex, even though it was almost impossible getting it going. Id say something dumb in chat just before the second boost like its morbing time or this is to go even further beyond.
we gotta get a "how great was knock off actually ?" Great video like always
Cloyster always deserved some kind of hilarious strategy. I love that crazy clam lol
Wasn't expecting a sponsor from the phone I'm currently using lmao, I love the brand since I started with the 8 pro
Dragalge, magcargo, drifblim or rotom and all of his forms! 💪💪💪
Fell Stinger is one of my favourite moves 😂
2:03 You should do a slippi ranked session on this phone and see if anybody quits out haha
This was the beggining of the eevee review we are long awaiting (maybe just me, but still xD)
Lead Drizzle Pelipper and Orthworm with Coil and Iron Tail if I want to stay in, Shed Tail if I want to switch to Drednaw with Swift Swim. Set up Shell Smash behind the substitute from Shed Tail. And have fun.
I’m surprised that Belly Drum was never mentioned considering you max out your attack at the cost of half your hp
0:13
It wasnt even 20 second in the video bro
Ampharos without Tail Glow is so sad 😢
Surprised you didn’t mention No Retreat!
rip No Retreat, was left off the list giving a +5 to the user with the downside of being unable to switch out. But as always another amazing video FSG.
With all the crap Bug types have to deal with, it’s only fair that they get access to one of the best boosting moves in the game.
I love sweeping teams with a Quiver Dance Volcarona.
“Magearna doesnt use the attack boost, so its basically Agility”
*Laughs in Stored Power*
Seeing the picture of Volcarona in the thumbnail made me realize how much its head looks like General Grievous
Volcarona with the slayer mark goes so hard
As a Monster Hunter fanatic (even if I'm not too fussed on MHNow specifically) I appreciate you mentioning Monster Hunter!
i love the thumbnail
"give it to metagross and watch" lol 😂😂😂 this caught me off guard 😅
Gen 20: every mon gets a move that boosts +6 in all stats
in gen 1 amnesia was basically a double calm mind.
"Coil, aside from being a great band..."
hell yeah
Another extreme boosting move is No Retreat, the signature move of Falinks wich gives an omniboost with the drawback that you cannot switch once the move is activated.
Hmm. Lot more examples of these big boosting moves than I thought, especially in the newer generations
Bruh when he said “how fun?” I lost it!
You missed one detail: coil milotic. It used it a lot to keep its defence up and also boost accuracy for high accuracy hypnosis! Sometimes even making milotic use physical moves (especially dragon tail even on special sets), but quite often still using special moves. This does mean it doesn't use the physical attack stat boost as much, but it is worth mentioning for sure!
(Maybe you can even pin this as extra information to your video?)
I think the one thing we can learn from this video is that dancing is powerful and should not be underestimated.
Gen 9 loves its power creep
Sharpness is the biggest threat with the right move
I thought no retreat would also be here it is an Omni boost move that lets you not be able to switch out and exclusive to falinks
Honorable mention to Magnetic Flux. It only boosts both defenses, but it can boost the defenses of both you and your partner. One move would essentially giving +4 to your pokemon.
Perhaps the next theorem video could be why move sets (like mix attacking, fast physical, bulky special, etc) are close to everything or the Dragonite theorem
Gotta love the Tanjiro Volcarona thumbnail
I've built a cotton guard whimsicott, it was RU back then but crushed OU rankings in gen 7
u ever kick ball through brick wall?
I could totally see cinderace getting victory dance eventually
i always runa hoenn team in natDex and most of my sweeps are from gorebyss, shell smash is such a good move that make "useless" mons like gorebyss extremely useful
thank you so much! I have looking for this kind of infromation