The Reality Of Abortion | Russell Brand & Amanda Palmer
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ส.ค. 2024
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Dearest friend, this video was the beginning of my healing. I’m 67. I’ve been carrying around a silent pain/shame all these years. It was like opening up a door and letting go of that....hearing the two of you talk compassionately about the unspoken feelings of trauma I’ve felt. I deeply want to thank you.
Sending you love ❤️
You deserve this healing. Glad for you. ❤️ be well.
You committed a terrible sin so it's only fair that you felt that trauma. Taking someone else's life is not within your own rights, especially that of an innocent child.
Glinda! It is very brave of you to open up that door after so many years :) We really hope that you can find healing and recovery very soon.
You and all who have done this have murdered a child, an extremely valuable human life, youd be better off by repenting from what you did not accepting it
She says our beliefs systems are random and we just accept what authority and our parents tell us, yet she acts like her view on abortion is somehow created out of truth and logic beyond culture and influence.
She talks about us like we're pre-programmed robots.
Was about to post this!
@CeCe expect If your the bad kid or the one who talks back
Idiotic, is what her words are
CeCe as it happens, I don’t disagree. But I’m glad you edited it.
Walks into a salon...
Client: ”i’m going for the ace ventura look”
Stylist: “Allllll-riiiiiggty Then”
She’s preparing for the edgy Transgender professor in the next Harry potter reboot
lol
@Batphink Reynolds lesbians usually do not get pregnant. And certainly not three times.
@@tonkasfinest7780 my friend had two kids and is a lesbian 😂 guess the kids was a cover before she came out
@@tonkasfinest7780 @Batphink Reynolds lesbians don't usually marry Neil Gaiman either. Funny that.
When Russell met someone with wilder hair than him
Yeah it’s hard to take someone serious when they look like a clown 🤡
@@BassGoThump It's just hair. The subject is legal and safe abortion.
@@BassGoThump He didn't find it very difficult to take her seriously, you should do the same !
@abso wep yeah sure express yourself, but I'm sure he's referring to her literally having a clowns hair style not her character is a clown. Stop being so sensitive and open your eyes
abso wep yeah and the same time I wonder if it has anything to do with past life’s, karma, or just that imbalance off what you pointed out the yin yang ☯️ but why this imbalance ? I always wonder too if it has anything to do with vaccines 💉 creating a hormonal imbalance who knows ?
3 abortions? I think this discussion should be more about contraception at this point.
I think people underestimate how quickly some women can get pregnant.
A close friend of mine had 2 abortions. She fell pregnant after her Frist time having sex and the second was a contraceptive failure both she and her boyfriend were not ready to be parents.
And I'm assuming shes at least late 30s and some one who started having sex at 15 there areany opportunities for contraception to fail, due to weight gain, or drug interactions, hormonal changes, storage, even diet can all affect the effectiveness of the BC.
Exactly.
i thought the same. after morning pill is your friend in case of accident.
I thought the same thing: "She's had 3 abortions?!" It's almost like she's an avid collector of abortions. It she really that "unlucky" or is she just totally irresponsible? There are so many easy options for contraception available that anything beyond 1 or 2 causes me to think there is some kind of weird agenda going on.
@@brianlaughlin8974 Not judging , just wondering about how does one gets to 3 abortions, which is quite a lot, having said that, could be linked to being in the US. not sure on contraception there. With an active love life, accidents do happen, but it used to be easy to go for a morning after pill. in fact, you have up to 5 days if you get an IUD so someone wanting to avoid pregnancy can certainly manage to dodge that situation at least in the UK.
I am Pro-Life. However, I am not about condemnation. I’m about empathy and understanding and loving an individual despite whether or not I agree with their choices. This is why I love Russell’s conversations. They are incredibly empathetic and seek understanding of one another’s viewpoint. Well done !
@Farkus Garvey pro-life did u read it?
How many abortions do you need to be empathetic while killing a baby? Here is the thing. Empathy is understanding and feeling what someone else is feeling. I will never empathize with someone who kills three babies in a row. Why? because I don't kill babies.
Maugrade abortion is different from killing babies. You should read more about it.
@@NoobNoobNews I had an abortion and I have NEVER killed a baby. Like Russel, I am mostly vegan. I do not wish harm on life. You are overly-emotional in your response, accusing women who opt for abortions as "baby-killers'. This is simply not the case. I wonder where you get this notion that having an abortion is equal to "killing a baby"? I am getting so tired of this over-used rhetoric. It's not factual, not real.
@M Z If the "unborn" are the most vulnerable, I suggest you consider the lives of the born who were forced on women who had no personal resources nor societal resources to love and nurture. Why must you insist on women being incubators for a fetus, when you don't insist on the safety of women themselves?
If you haven't faced that decision I'm not sure you truly understand.
I was raised a Christian, I got pregnant despite the morning after pill as I suffered from ulcerative colitis which was in a flare. We think not enough of the pill was absorbed by my system. I was talked into a termination by my religious parents, my partner and the doctor. I was 17.
At 51 not a day goes by without my thinking of it. The awfulness of it. The fact I was given no counselling. That the abortion went wrong and 2 days later I was rushed into hospital hemorrhaging. Yet, I was given a D & C and put on a maternity ward to recover!!
Unless you have faced a life or death choice you do not understand.
I'm sorry you had to go through that.
I'm sorry you had to suffer through that 💔 Luckily I never had to face a decision like that, but I've read a lot of stories and everyone's is different. Many are like yours, while many others have no complications or regrets. Like a lot of things in life, what's right/wrong in one case might be wrong/right for another. To me, what it boils down to is that in order to find peace with a decision, women have to have to be making a fully informed choice for themselves, have adequate support in their personal life, and the full attention of a medical team every step of the way, including counseling afterward if they need it. I don''t think most women get all three, no matter what they ultimately choose, because public health in general (both mental & physical) has never really been a priority like that.
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The morning after pill does not stop pregnancy if you are already pregnant or ovulating. All it does is prevent you from going into ovulation if you haven’t already
So sorry your choice was denied to you and you had to go through all that
I like how Russel is able to ask relevant questions, while still
respecting his guest- the way Russel listens, and challenges the things he does not understand- all executed in a fine and relatable
way. This is why I watch every single video. He has helped me to be more open minded, as far as becoming more accepting of how other people think and believe in- Thank you Russell.
Fuck me , large groups of people from both sides as a 38 year old I can remember a time when people actually agreed to disagree . It's people who have fundamentalist beliefs or who aren't willing to change at all , who argue for the sake of argument or who argue or say things with an agenda that need to learn how to listen and no side of the devide has the monopoly on pigheadedness, narracistic behaviour and /or unkindness and stupidity believe me mate @Batphink Renolds
Yes, yes. I used to think Russell was an egotist and intellectually. . ,well, ditzy.
But he’s not, at least after quitting the substances, getting older etc. and, as you say, he’s an extraordinary listener
@@written12 👍🏼😀
@@written12 I feel he’s certainly got better, I remember him on Question Time several years back arguing against Nigel Farage and arguing with Peter Hitchens on Channel 4 and he came off very poorly, now as a host you do have to develop some listening skills and listen more to other people’s opinions. He has aged well.
I love this response.
It is 100% unscientific to believe that human life doesn't begin at conception
The problem with the abortion debate:
-Pro choice people think pro life people are nothing but evil misogynists who want to control women's bodies
-Pro life people think pro choice people are nothing but evil baby killers
Neither is true.
Yep it’s all perspective
When pro-lifers believe in the sanctity of all life, they'll have a leg to stand on. But as long as they're sucking down the eggs and flesh of other animals... kinda just hypocritical imo. It really is all or nothing if you say something like sanctity of life.
That is a very narrow and simplistic view on a very complicated discussion. We will never grow as a country if all our discussions remain predominately superficial.
That's not the problem. The problem - killing a baby is murder.
@@danf1862 humans are not equal to animals. But if you want to outlaw killing animals and babies...I am in...are you?
Yeah, no. I guess it’s way better to have 3 abortions than it is to be responsible and use birth control.
SNAP!!
ya know...sometimes pregnancy isn't a choice...until THAT doesn't happen, mind your business and stop judging what other people do with their bodies.
crystalsunshine the issue isn’t what the person does with their body. the issue is what their decision does to that fetus, which while it may be inside of the woman, it has different dna and bloody type and is definitely NOT her body.
this is such a hard one. Birth control = condom / pills / other possibilities. Both parties are responsible. Lack of education might lead to unwanted pregnancy and not knowing how to have safe sex or possible birth control options. Sometimes they’re really expensive / unaviable in some parts of the world / some parents or communities make them unaccessable and control or don’t give information. Unwanted accidents happen too
@@crystalsunshine yes, as an RN who worked for years in the Maternal/Child Health field, birth control is often confered to women alone and often fails.
I got pregnant unplanned in final year of university. I found it (and still find it) odd that between my options of abortion or single motherhood, everyone sided with abortion, a ‘no brainer’.
I kept my baby and am now a single (graduate) mother to a 7 month old. I have no problem with people getting abortions but what concerns me is that in my experience it really was just a medical procedure. I went to the clinic and was not asked once if I was sure on my decision, I had to tell the midwife I wasn’t and ask for support. No counselling, no conversation of both eventualities.
It was like I was getting treatment for tonsillitis.
Because its become so common that women use abortion as a contraceptive. Kind of devalues life.
Stoyan B. Not just women. Men (including my baby’s dad) too. Contraception is a dual responsibility.
Because they wanted you to feed into the abortion market. Aborted fetus remains have a currency of their own being sold on the black market, being used into the legal vaccines used on kids and adults, and also rumored to be used in fast food restaurants' meat (I say rumored because I'm still not sure on that one). I'm glad you continued on with your pregnancy and didn't let anyone discourage you.
_Serenity are you crazy? What weird things to believe. I’m sorry for you that you move in this world believing such stupid shit
@@MarvinHumesIsMyLYF This needs to be said more. I am pro choice but I dont like how abortion is talked about as it is "nothing" and how men encourage you to get one because they just do not understand how terrible it is to get one. In the sense that they should consider if you want to keep it. (my body my choice applies for that and people forget). Like, have some empathy. I wish you well to you and your kid. :)
As a woman IM AWARE THIS IS MY BODY but IM ALSO AWARE THAT THERE IS A BODY GROWING INSIDE ME. Yes sex ed is needed and yes, contraceptives are needed. Im a pro life and I dont believe forcing others to not abort is the option. Education is the answer
@@VioletLife8 you have terrible reading comprehension
@Wd.Violet- Wire. c o m sex ED= sex education, learning about your body and what’s going on. 🤷♀️
Well said. Education is the key to everything. Thats why they are trying to destroy it here in the statea.
True, I think abortion should be an option, where I live they had a problem with a lot of young girls getting abortions and they fixed that with getting better sex Ed. Now less people gets abortions... it was really simple and not taking peoples rights away either
If you don't believe in forcing others not to abort ... then you're pro choice. Pro-life politically is about enacting policies that make abortion illegal. Pro-choice doesn't mean you want to kill babies.. its not anti-life. Pro-choice people have been going on about sex ed for a long time.
more education on contraception for women and men, teenage to adult. its such a serious thing.
It took her getting pregnant three times to work out how to get him to wrap it. Some people are no hopers
Taking this woman as an example, it'd be amazing if she didn't have that education coming from Massachusetts at her age. I'm from that state and older than her and we got sex education from 8th grade which is 12 or 13 years old. And I know that since the 80s contraception, especially condoms because of the AIDS crisis, were available for free at health clinics, etc. Sometimes the education is there and people still end up having multiple abortions.
There is a wealth of info on contraception.It is freely given out (contraception) at Uni Campuses for example.Just go to a Dr's surgery/nurse/Health clinics for free info.We also have the internet,a mine of information.In this day and age,come on,ignorance is no excuse.Sadly abortion clinics exist to make money.It is not in their interest to offer alternatives,as they make hundreds of dollars/pounds from each abortion.With 200,000 abortions in the UK a year,and over 1.5 million a year in America,(all in private clinics in the U.S) that is a huge amount of money,sadly.Tragic.
@@happyd9733 Personly I have never had sex without contraception. Contraception can go wrong though.
How about: dont have sex. You create life. If you dont want to create life, dont have sex. Similar to "if you dont want to go to jail for a crime, do not commit the crime"
I am pro life but I would never trivialise the jeopardy a person deals with when faced with an unplanned and unwanted pregnancy so I don't know what the solution is but people trivialising what an abortion is, just to argue for people choosing to have them is absurd.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes I say
@M Z agree. The last thing I would ever do is make a pro choice argument but I do believe that living in poverty is a jeopardy. I didn't actually watch this video beyond the point where I found out she had 3 abortions and I had to stop. If I could ever condone an abortion it would have to be because of an emergency and a last resort, that doesn't happen 3 times.
@M Z it was also the man's choice to have sex. If he doesn't have to carry the child and suffer then why should she
@@LemonSte how is carrying a child, suffering?
@@LemonSte if it's due to rape, I'll only blame the man. If it's consensual, then it's the woman's fault, since she's the only one who can choose to give the man permission to knock her up. Her body, her choice, but also her responsibility.
This is consistent with property laws. You can't give someone permission to do something to your property, then blame them for doing it.
Yikes, one of the worst takes on abortion I’ve seen. The issue with this logic, is there’s never a reasonable conceding of when does life actually begin? Oh we should just trust you to do whatever you want 🤦♂️
I'm not a woman and thus have never had an abortion, but I think in the statement of trusting the individual to make the decision, you are highlighting that someone else is electing themselves to force a decision for them. Should that power stay with the individual or should it be made for them?
As a male, I know I’m quite removed from this. What I will say is, we have no idea what abortions do to women psychologically, we also don’t know what contraception does to women, psychologically.
I am a man and I know more than most women comprehend. 1. abortion is killing life. period 2. the woman will deliver herself a trauma. 3. #gobrahmacharya stop having sex driven by lust (ego). 4. male and female connection is sacred/divine 5. taking something fertile and change it to unfruitful = sodomy 6. with 3 abortions/kills deal with the karma dynamics. in the end, there are only actions and consequences.
Hypha brainwave state I read your first sentence, and stopped reading. Have a good, celibate life.
That's not true. You may not have an idea but 'We' do know what contraception or abortions can do to women psychologically and physically. Good and bad. It is also important to know that no form of contraception is 100% safe, even with perfect use.
mebeingaginger who is we?
mebeingaginger and tell me the psychological and physiological ramifications? Please. With sources.
Nobody forced morality down my throat growing up like she tries to insinuate. Quite the opposite actually. That spiel seems to be pretty common with anyone making an anti- God or anti-moral argument. She says *nobody* uses it casually but she's had 3 already??
The schools I went to told me abortion was fine, and yet here I am, thinking that abortion is wrong. This lady makes it out to sound like we aren't thinking for ourselves.
I have a friend who had seven, I had another friend who had five.
I even went to catholic school, but we were all raised super liberal, like _your body, your choice_ which i think is almost brainwashing bc abortion is devastating
'she's had 3 already??' No form of contraception is 100% safe, even with perfect use.
'anti- God' ? Are you arguing for the government to make people live in accordance with your religion? What if it was a different religion from your own and someone tried to make it law that you live in accordance their religion?
Other considerations: No living human being has the right to live of someone else's body, even if that kills them. The government can't make people donate blood (or organs) if there is a shortage, even if that kills those in need. Again no living human is entitled to someone else's body. Should that law change? Demanding practicing abstinence is also not an option. The aids epidemic has taught us that.
@jjjeanjeane you're generalizing and btw there are many whose experience is opposite of yours. You cannot control anyone. Turn the other cheek and let it go.
Either the unborn child is a human life or it's not. That the crux of the issue. If it is a human life, it doesn't matter how much you agonized or struggled with the decision. If you agonize and struggle about killing someone, you still killed someone, though I suppose it's better than doing it callously and coldly. The arguments about a woman controlling her body are just a distraction. Human life or not? That's the whole thing. And you better have a really good reason and proof to say it isn't a human life, because the consequences are dire if you are wrong.
Scoopy TheClown 😳 abort all humans?
Perfectly said
Agreed
No living human being has the right to live of someone else's body, even if that kills them. The government can't make people donate blood (or organs) if there is a shortage, even if that kills those in need. Again no living human is entitled to someone else's body, even if that kills them. Should that law change? Should the government's power over people's bodies be extended to those circumstances?
Other considerations:
No form of contraception is 100% safe, even with perfect use.
Demanding practicing abstinence is also not an option. The aids epidemic has taught us that.
Arguments about controlling her body are just a distraction? It's called body autonomy, and mine doesnt go out the window to sacrifice another without my permission.
I had three abortions and each time I dreamt that night that I was trying to protect a baby from being stabbed. I had no guilt, but the dreams were telling. I always used birth control - I was so responsible. It didn't seem fair.
I guess that's the issue with contraception. That it gets us under the impression that sex and procreation are not directly linked, which also makes it seem so unfair when someone gets pregnant while using contraception, like it's not what's meant to happen, making it more likely to have an abortion.
I hope I'm not sounding judgemental or anything like that. Its not my intention.
Abortion so clinical , lets call it ending a child’s life , it’s not that simple. Why are people so upset when someone stands up for child’s life or rights ?
It’s not an easy or simple thing I agree , but let’s not forget it’s a life.
My son is the greatest person I’ve ever known and he’s 7 now , and saved me from myself. I’ve spent my life since 18 serving in the army , to fire dept to now law enforcement, and watch and listen to , too much death. So don’t ever cheapen life , ever. Every death takes a piece of you with it, my nightmares always remind me nightly
Russell keep doing you shows , you’re actually on point talking to people , you’ve seen the dark side of life and seen the Hollywood rich / famous side. I can respect that. I’ve always judged people on not how’ve they’ve fallen but how they pick themselves up. Keep being you and looking for real truths
Can you explain why a life is so valuable though?
You've just exposed your own indocrination and bias. You want to pile as much guilt onto someone who makes the difficult choice for an abortion as possible by labelling it child murder. There is no child and they don't have a life. The process of abortion is removing a collection of organised genetic material that will potentially develop intoa child that will go onto have a life. That's why it's not called child murder by anyone who isn't comletely devoid of rationaloty. Clinical procedures have clinal names. It's wy we don't call colonoscopies 'going bum fishing.'
The earth shattering impacts of a persons death are so severe because of the people they leave behind. The lives you impact is what gives your life value. Just as the question of 'if a tree falls and no one sees it, does it make a sound?' we can ask 'If a person with no friedns or family dies, does it matter?'
There is also the 'human potential' element of a young persons life but, considering we are each capable of destruction, cruelty and as many attrocities as we are of creating beauty and performing good deeds, the 'what-iffery' factor nulifies itself as a purely hypothetical reason to be invested in someone or view human life as innately sacred.
As an adult, you take responsibility for your actions. Abortion is not birth control. Don’t have sex if you don’t want children... that is the main function of intercourse, procreation. At the very least use contraception. Otherwise you are irresponsible. If the pregnancy would without intervention result in a baby human, then it’s a life. One more thing! I wonder if she’s ever dealt with what each of those abortions have caused her to do or the damage they have done. 17 is very young to do something that traumatic, this woman but for those abortions could be a completely different person today. She doesn’t seem like the happiest, most well adjusted person.
Agreed... 🥰❤️🙏🏻
So say if someone got raped or someone lied about a vasectomy, that makes you irresponsible ?
Not your body, your opinion doesn’t matter.
naomi wilson you’re make leaps to the most obscure instances that could happen. 1% of pregnancy terminations are from rape. Additionally, if it is your body you should be responsible for it. Use protection even if they say they had a vasectomy. It’s very simple.
DaniCozi plus this video is not about that... the woman is talking about her experience and not about abortion and rape... which is totally horrific for any woman
3 abortions? I can understand 1 .. a mistake but 3???? No...
If she didn't have a pregnancy test there was no abortion. This is applying the c-19 whitehouse testing leadership. By George it works!
I was an little taken aback, too, but we do not know what happened, so let's not judge.
I feel like some people are just assuming the only reason people get abortions is because they chose to not use contraception but there are so many reasons why women have abortions. Such as rape, getting raped by a family member, and therefore not wanting an incest baby, broken condom, pill didn’t work, baby is threatening mothers life, pressured into sex, too young to have kids.
I thought it was Robert Pattinson doing a flock of seagals biopic in the thumbnail
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They’re both hot
Looking like ace Ventura Pet detective or joker from the Batman animated series lol
I am wondering how to do my hair like that, leaves an impression.
Omg brilliant 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It was hard to click on this and I'm pro-choice (before a certain period). Think that just proves how abortion and miscarriage NEVER gets talked about unless you're consoling someone who's had it. If you're someone of faith, just be respectful to people who choose a path different to yours. All religions speak of love and understanding for all, lean into that. 👍
True love is the ability to tell someone that they are doing the wrong thing. I dont know why in this interview they would say "if you believe in life beginning at conception" when it is a scientific fact that it does. She was talking about those bloody photos as if they were propaganda but they arent it's actually what happens. Also why are we listening to a lady that has had THREE abortions. The odds of getting pregnant by accident 3 separate times are astounding, she says she understands and respects the pro life argument with her words but with her actions is quite the opposite.
@@yellowballoon4143 Thats quite true. However, you should also be able to put into perspective what kind of life that is. Yes, the cell is technically alive from that point onwards. But its waaay less complex and developed than even a snail or ant for quite some time after fertilization, as it doesnt even have specialized cell structures yet. I dont seem to get how people attach so much value to a clump of cells even less developed than an insect, which most would squash without hesitation. And before you start, no thats not an unfair comparison to make. As a Biologist myself I can assure you most scientists would agree you could say that that clump of cells is biochemically-wise not very different from a jellyfish. You might say it has a different potential as it can grow into a human instead of a jellyfish or insect. But then I'd like to ask you: does having different potential really mean one is superior over the other and therefore one is somehow more entitled to life that the other?
@@yellowballoon4143 And talking about a mismatch between words and actions. If would really value life so much that even from that basic stage it holds so much value to you I would also recommend you'd stop eating meat, killing bugs, driving a cars etc. etc. as those are directly affecting and ending forms of life you apparantly already value so much, be it that they're very basic. Oh and also start to figure out which brands of clothing, make-up etc. support child labour and modern day slavery cause there's quite a chance you're supporting a few of those with your current shopping behaviour.
Sorry for the speech, I really have no intend to bash on you or something. But this hypocrisy that I've noticed with pro-life supporters has been annoying me for quite some time. If you would realy value life so much. You should begin to make the lives that are already born more bearable, human and animal alike. And perhaps you already do that, but I doubt all pro-lifers invest all their energy in caring for lives that are already born instead of the ones that aren't even here yet. This sentiment of some (in this case unborn) lives appartly mattering more then others has led to so many wrongdoings in human history.
So, until you really(!) try to form this world into one where no life is in missery, you should probably not call yourself pro-life.... And only after all humans have acceptable living standards, your concern with a lump of cells in contrast to actual people in need, might make sense to me.
@Selenitemare I believe in a difference between human life and other forms of life and in every human life deserves a chance to live
Well the subject of abortion is typically a topic where compromise CANT be found.
If you actually believe it's murder, than you can't turn a blind eye. it's like letting someone be murdered on the street and you not doing anything about it.
The reason mothers have, to use her words, a “harrowing experience” is not because they saw a sign with a bloody fetus once, it’s because they know deep down that they ENDED their own child’s life. I cannot begin to imagine the guilt I would feel if I killed my own child.
Agree. If protesters protested against diabetes treatment, people would be amused and laugh at them because that would be strange. People only get upset when challenged because they know they're in the wrong.
So much judgement in the comments from people who have never had to have an abortion or deal with a pregnancy they didn’t want to continue with. Until you have to make that decision yourself then keep your judgements to yourselves! Those who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. May everyone open their hearts and minds to deep and true compassion, empathy and understanding. If your aren’t a woman who hasn’t had to deal with a pregnancy they couldn’t continue with for whatever reason then your opinion is pretty much invalid unless it’s kindness and understanding. Thank you for sharing this Russell! God bless and enjoy the journey of expanding your consciousness to 5D.
I’m not judging anyone it’s not my place. And yes I’ve had an unplanned pregnancy and no support. But No, I won’t turn a blind eye when I see wrong being done. This woman is spreading false light.
what about men that deal with women abortions what the men have to go through as well.its not just a one way street.i think many abortions is about one's self it's a selfish act.and the way not to get pregnant is to not have sex were in 2020 how do ppl not know this?
Find this lady very cold and calculated....3 abortions? I'm a man. I have never had an abortion but my wife did. I think of that decision to this day....31 years ago.
You dont know whay its like to be a woman or have a body of a woman also you don't know her personal experiences
she's probably dumb too, imagine contraception or a rubber not working 3 times. She's missing a few brain cells.
Does Emma have her own account? Her own say?
Can men have an abortion?
It creeps me out when I see accounts with both the male and female together. Notice the male's name is first.
So when does consciousness enter then? I always had the veiw of pro choice until I I researched how horrific the industry is. Those little bodies sometimes get born whole with hearts still beating. The bodies are dissected and used for research purposes and to create vaccines. Its absolutely horrific. Abortion should not be taken lightly. To have one abortion must be bad enough, but to continue having them is a bit much, in my personal opinion. On both your own mind and body and in terms of eliminating little lives. In the later term abortions these babies still in the sack respond to being prodded, so they do feel pain and sensation.
Claire Wheeler hey, this is pro life rhetoric. Late term abortions are extremely rare (only in life or death scenarios). And the vast vast majority of abortions are carried out in the first 12 weeks. They have no way of feeling pain and in a lot of cases are a ball of under developed cells.
A heartbeat is not an indicator of brain development and capacity for consciousness. Scientists have created beating hearts in labs: www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/how-tiny-beating-human-heart-was-created-lab-180958375/
But you dont get emotional about that.
The Bible says life begins with the first breath. Adam was just a lump of clay until he breathed. That is when the Ruach (the divine breath/spirit enters the body). But that’s just the Bible. Other traditions have different beliefs. If you were going to go with science, it would probably be years later. But science doesn’t understand consciousness as of yet.
@@onepartyroule but how do you know the baby is not conscience maybe it can barely think of thought but still wasted potential
Emily Calderwood I would hardly call 20,000 third trimester abortions a year in the US “rare”. No one even uses the clump of cells argument anymore because its not scientifically accurate. If you really want to get specific you are also a “clump of cells”. But from the first day your baby already has its own dna and its hair color, eye color, height and many personality traits have already been determined. And yes babies feel pain even in the first trimester when their nerve endings and spine are already starting to develop.
Abortion for birth control? No way. This is a narcissist society. Take responsibility.
The thing is.. you don't get to decide that.
I was really interested to hear her say she was going to go into what it's like to have an abortion, and how rare it is that anyone even wants to discuss the physical reality of that. So true. And then she starts talking about what it's like to walk through a group of protesters instead of what it's like to have an abortion. And she had 3 abortions. All the girls I knew personally who had that many were subservient to men who didn't want to wear a condom, and would make mistakes like forgetting to take the pill. I never had sex without a condom, so I wouldn't know what getting an STD or having an abortion is like.
Before conception there is no life. The moment of conception is the beginning of life.. I don't see how people will say that the baby isn't a life at conception. Three "accidental" pregnancies and then abortions seems quite irresponsible. Pregnancy is quite preventable beyond abstinence. I'm not saying preventing pregnancy is solely up to women but if your a woman not wanting to get pregnant (seeing how the bulk of having a baby falls on us) you would think you would take better care to not get pregnant in the first place.
you just said how contraception and prevention of pregnancy isn't solely the woman's responsibility...then went on to say it basically is. i think in the whole prolife argument, there really is a strong element of sexism. because heaven forbid the men be held accountable.
inactive the thing is as women wether we like it or not, the product (baby) gets to grow in our body, it stays there for as long as it needs to, unless an interruption happens whether by choice or consequence, because of that we as women have to be extra careful and mindful, if it was the other way around and men were the ones carrying the baby then it will be them put on that position, again we might not like it but that’s how biology works, now do we as women really want men to have a say ? Have you hear of a law that wants to give the rapist the right to say wether or not the woman he abuse should be allow to have an abortion ? So no as women we were given a biological body capable to grow babies and be responsible for a reason, we should take ownership of that aren’t we strong enough? I think we are we can do it all we are women
@@inactive883 Remove the sexism from the equation entirely, the philosophical argument is that from the moment of conception there is life. Genetic code evolving inside of you that will result in another fully functional human life, to end that is logically parallel to death. There isn't another version of the events that remotely make sense. Deflecting about sexism just muddys the conversation, if any responsibility exists then it is 50/50, as fairness would dictate. There, that's done.
inactive it also says a lot about her choices of partners. She wasn’t raped. Abortion should not really be used as a contraceptive I would think. I understand mistakes happen etc. but 3 times is a lot. I would think that might make one question her responsibility or put her character in question.
Shit happens. My body, my choice. Your opinion is irrelevant
The part of this conversation that makes me uneasy is when Amanda suggests that the only reason someone would adopt a pro-life stance is because they have inherited that belief via their family or been indoctrinated by their culture/religion. I dont believe this to be true, and it comes across to me as slightly ignorant and passive aggressive. It is definately true in a lot of cases, for sure - especially in Christian circles. But I think it is also possible for someone to come to a deep understanding of themselves as an individual and as a human being, and to take the view that abortion, in most cases, is a fundamentally bad 'solution' that undermines the sanctity and precious-ness of human life. Personally, I dont really know what I believe - there are elements of both sides of the fence that ring true to me, and elements that dont sit well. But yeah, you held yourself with admirable equanimity as always Russ xo
Secular pro-lifers are a different breed. For one thing, they don't have the same hang-ups about sex that the God Squad does. This means that they usually are fully in favor of the protocols that crash the abortion rate: Accurate sex-ed (not absti-nonsense), subsidizing the best forms of contraception (LARCs, i.e. IUDs and implants), etc.
I think that it could be because she ran the gauntlet of protesters to work her way into the building. There are usually people camped out at Planned Parenthoods with the posters. I have seen them with little kids in tow. And ones that I have seen in passing are church sponsored. I fail to see how you could bring a child with you as you protest, and the posters have absolutely no place at these events. How do you explain one to a 4 or 5 year old.
I'm an atheist. I'm pro choice to a degree but I don't like abortion. The hypocrisy is astonishing. If a woman has an abortion at 12 weeks it's not a baby but a fetus. If a woman miscarries at 6 weeks the same people cry for the loss of a baby. The value of the child is measured solely on the woman's feelings. I can't be ok with that
Completely agree.
I believe that consciousness is present when the ovum and sperm combine.
This hasn't been 'drilled' into me, it is through investigation of my spiritual beliefs.
I am interested to know what the circumstances were for someone to have had 3 abortions.
The first was the 'classic' mistake in college.... We live in a society that has extremely easy access to contraception. Yes mistakes happen but we must teach our children that there are consequences to all actions, whether in this case it is bringing that child into the world, or choosing not to and having to live with that.
We seem to have got to a point where we say yeah do what you want, you have feedoms, don't let people tell you what to do.
But as long as we understand that actions have consequences should be the point.
@@natalielamont6955 I am pro choice. I believe that another aspect that needs tp be taught in conjunction with the entirety of the freedom concepts, is a sense of MORAL OBLIGATION. WE also need to teach that freedom is for every single person and that there are times when the newly free might need to put their freedoms a little bit back burner out of respect for the other person's freedoms that have now been compromised.
Making Ettiqette a required class in school, might not be such a bad idea.
I also believe that a potential motive of the overly zealous religiously sponsered and encouraged protests, might sadly be because with a legal abortion, there is now a shortage of white babies for their women who God has chosen to make barren. AND partly because I did stop one day and debate the issue with a church sponsered protest. This particular Planned Parenthood was in a poor neighborhood, with the center having to have a security team to help keep their patients safe. It was the posters that set me off. God would NEVER be okay with that.
What are we doing with our hair....
Lmaaaoooooo ssshhhh
I don't think it's so much, _my body, my choice_ as much as it's _my life, my choice_ bc undeniably having a child will change the course of your life, especially if you're not ready for it
@daniel raleigh said by someone that will never have to worry about becoming pregnant. I bet $100 if you got some random sleezy woman pregnant you'd be praying she'd get a secret abortion, all the while publicly condemning abortion on your moral pedestal.
@daniel raleigh I'm not saying I'm pro abortion, I'm correcting the flaw in the argument. Having said that, most of the time the responsibility of raising a child falls on the mother, especially in an unplanned situation.
It's not about condemning either side for me, there are situations where it would be understandable or sometimes even necessary, but using abortion as a lifestyle choice is wrong. There are too many others options to prevent pregnancy and too many people who cannot have children who would be happy to have these babies.
This Amanda though, ugh! Feel like her belief system must only be some sort of self numbing ideal of excuse for her actions. You can't justify a "just cuz" attitude on a subject like this.
okaygirl141 so you should pay for crimes your father commited?
It's socially more accepted because Generally, being Forced removes choice even though choice was still present; Like just going to the store , then got raped and pregnant from it. Rape and incest happens every day. How many Pro-Lifers are secretly incest? How many are Serial rapists are just adding as many genes to the pool as they can? Rapists barely get a slap on the wrist and do it again. How many Women would be subjected to Having to have a child because someone said they should.. Not necessarily keep it.. Just having a child will Permanently change the body , it's Nature's Way... Even though they are condemning an innocent for the outrageous act upon them. A person's ability to "move on" after something like that isn't always stellar & Using Abortion as a Tool to Live in Insane Lifestyle probably has an @$$Load of Bad Karma for each Spirit that chooses such a way of Life. Respecting All Life and Each other Used to be in All of Us~ No Matter what You see no matter where you go, no Matter the Mistakes we make as we learn as we go , together , You are my Great Family and I'll Love You with every gram of my Soul
It is an absolute mystery to me how mature, educated women end up having abortions. After the woman’s first abortion, she certainly must have been made aware of different contraceptive methods and how to correctly use them.
If a woman is not raped or so intoxicated that she doesn’t know what she’s doing, how does she end up with an unplanned pregnancy that necessitates an abortion. I do agree that sometimes contraception does fail, but I doubt the percentage is very high; and there may be medical reasons as well.
Personally, I believe in live and let live and I’m not judging the woman, nor do I even know who she is. It’s just that this issue of having several abortions just seems strange to me.
@Rebecca Leeman 10,000 failures out of a million is a 1% failure rate. By comparison, it is well established that routine vaccinations can have a failure rate as high as 10%.
The woman in question states that she had 3 abortions. The first was because she was young (naïve) and wasn’t using contraception.
But her other 2 abortions ? If her second abortion was because of a contraceptive failure, then what was her excuse for the 3rd ?
If in fact the second was indeed from a contraceptive failure, as you argue, why didn’t she use a backup method along with the pill, or try a totally different method, especially if she had already experienced a contraceptive failure? She does present herself, after all, as a sophisticated, educated woman.
Of course there’s always the possibility that the 2nd & 3rd abortions were because of rape and/or intoxication - or for medical reasons.
I have known several women who have had more than one abortion who just plain didn’t use any type of contraception ... knowing full well that they didn’t want a pregnancy. That’s what totally mystifies me. I’m sure you too have also known women, or at least have heard of women, that have had serial abortions, that are sometimes known as lifestyle abortions.
Again, my argument actually has nothing to do with Russell’s guest, or even judging her. Serial abortions have just always been a mystery to me. Wouldn’t it simply be so much easier, certainly healthier, and more cost effective to figure out an adequate birth control method tailored to a woman’s needs ?
She lost me when she said she had 3 abortions....that was hard to wrap my head around.
@M Z mistakes are our best teachers, but don’t make the same mistake twice.
WHO CARES WHAT Y THINK PEOPLE LIKE YOU DONT CARE THAT THE MAJORITY DONT WANTS TO BAN ABORTIONS
If life doesn't start at conception then when does it start?
Apparently first breath.
Life is not the relevant thing here. Sentience is. And it does not start at conception.
@@0Josipa0 first, why is life not the relevant element? Second, when does sentience start?
I feel like you build a over simplified straw man argument about what pro life is about.
How's that? Expand?
Thank you for posting a comment that allows me to also use the word straw-man !!!!!
@@luckyPiston lmao wut
I defer you to Ben Shapiro’s abortion rebuttals.
@TheVirusSoftware
No, abortion is wrong because it ends a life. It doesn't become ok just because you're killing a "cluster of cells", because in reality we're all just a cluster of cells. It's not a parasite either, because a parasite feeds off of specifically "another species".
It is 100% human, because all of its DNA is human, and codes for creation of a human. And it is most certainly alive, as it fits into the most widely accepted *scientific* definition of life:
respond to their environment
grow and change
reproduce and have offspring
have complex chemistry
maintain homeostasis
are built of structures called cells
pass their traits onto their offspring
The only place where you may try and get a foothold in that would be on reproduction, but that is not what you think. The young of every species is unable to reproduce *yet* so that requirement only applies to the species as a whole, not every member.
She is a good example for how leftist ideology is used as a defense mechanism to not become aware of the cruel actions she took for 3 times
U read my mind
@TheVirusSoftware not every body has a dictionary for these things anyway I'm pretty sure that libertarians are on the left on the political compass and most join leftist party's like labour in the UK
TheVirusSoftware so, Damm yourself 😂😂😂 or make Research about culture Marxism, Frankfurt School, Fabianism, communist infiltration of feminism
Well, you don't shy away from the tough subjects. I do love how Amanda is very measured and thoughtful and considers the question before answering. So rare.
Wish she was measured and thoughtful before getting three abortions in a row.
@@1_viewer Wish she was measured and thoughtful about the men she sleeps with, seeing as none of them were very bright.
I was a full blown drug addict and alcoholic when I had my abortion. Absolutely no regrets! Best decision to not bring an innocent child into my reckless and dangerous life.
Any better ideas come to mind?
Psalm 139:13-14 NKJV 13 For You formed my inward parts;
You covered me in my mother’s womb.
14 I will praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
Marvelous are Your works,
And that my soul knows very well.
3 abortions ... something about that isn’t right no matter what you believe in
A 100 %
100% well said! If it was that bad why no take steps to make sure it didnt happen again?
Ben James exactly what I was thinking
If you bothered to do your research, you would find out she had a very good reason for each of them
I have always believed in freedom of choice but I can’t see how preventing pregnancy after one “mistake” is so difficult for a woman with intelligence and resources. There is an element of irresponsibility there, like it or not. However, I will still support your right to choose but, please, try to avoid this in the future.
Do you believe there is an element of irresponsibility when birth control fails?
@M Z do you feel its right for children or immoral women to bring kids into the world and not be able to give them all the resources and love they require? What happens to their children? Care, poor social position, more than likely making the same mistakes their parents made..
k S , what I am saying comes from experience. I never wanted to be pregnant so I was always on effective birth control, key word being effective. I never got pregnant.
I also worked in the medical field and witnessed women coming into the hospital repeatedly for abortions as a means of birth control.
Many forms of birth control are highly effective. Find out which ones are and use them. If, by some chance one were to become pregnant, I support freedom of choice completely.
What I’m commenting on is palmer’s getting 3 abortions. Something is not computing for her here.
@@KathleenMcCormickLCSWMPH birth control is never 100% baby proof. Your comment just happens to forget that major factor..
@@KathleenMcCormickLCSWMPH I've never been pregnant and I also don't always use birth control. My friends use birth control and get pregnant... each woman has a different level of fertile capability. I may never be able to have children. Please do not use your limited experience to make judgements on who is irresponsible and who is not. One thing is for sure, every woman hurts when she has to make that decision.
I agree. "Women" who think this way, should NOT have kids under any circumstance.
"people" like you shouldnt have kids.
My issue is, people believe in pro-life, and will torment those who have abortions. But, no one seems to care about the babies being born in poverty..babies starving not getting proper health care..throwing them in cages because their parents hoped the border..maybe people should focus on the babies that have been born and are suffering instead of fetus that if not born just go back to spirit, heaven..🙏🏼
I hear you but I think we can do both at the same time
Vasiliy Solodovnikov maybe, I personally could not abort my fetus, but I’m in a happy marriage and for us it would be a blessing..I’m in no place to judge others for what they do with their bodies. In the end if you abort the fetus my belief is that is what was meant for that soul...
Hi. Thats a thoughful and interesting point. had an abortion at 15. (At two weeks gestation) Now i foster/adopt children (3) whose patents are not able to care for them properly. As i would not have been able to had we survived birth (i did not have supportive family) i was allergic to the pill and it didnt work for me. I also had 5 miscarriages which made me believe i was being punished most of my life has been heartbreak over that one abortion. But i still believe we both would have had really shitty lives i wasnt in any position to be a mother and the male? The 19year old man wjo was the father .. he just fucked off it was my problem.. even though he was the one who pressured me into sex so. Lets not blame the women. Lets make men accountable for getting women pregnant too. It takes two people and the men never have to be responsible in anyway even though imb most cases they are a lot older.
Well, abortion is such a shallow thing now. In a society in which freedom is to be maximised everything can be deemed as an obstacle to that freedom. How about responsibility. This talk is so PC. Nothing was stated.
Resposibility of what precisely?
@@dariolaseri2661 Of your actions and their consequences.
Even from a “purely medical” standpoint, the hormonal emotional experience is harrowing, when your body adjusts from making a life, to a halt in that whole process
1000%
Yes it is! A rollercoaster of harrowing hormonal experiences Which happens naturally every month. Regardless of implantation or fertilization. When you take the pill youre kidding your body that you are pregnant so that it doesnt make another and then stopping those hormones for 5 days every month to shed the womb lining that was ready for the foetus. What happens hormonally after birth or miscarriage or abortion is the same as each month (except for full term birth you now hzve additional hormones such as oxytocin to deal with)
@@Stevie-steel if you think the hormonal changes that your body goes through after a miscarriage, a live birth, or an abortion are the same as experienced in the normal menstrual cycle you have obviously never been pregnant & are in for a big surprise if you ever become so.
Not for me it wasn’t. 90% are in the first 2 months of pregnancy. We have surveyed how these “changes” affect women and we know by and large most feel relieved and bounce right back. Including myself. I hold space for those who had a different experience but by and large hormonal alterations are a non event
Stephanie I had an abortion when I was less than 1 month pregnant. It was so early that the doctor cautioned me it might not work. Despite how early I was, the hormonal shift I went through in the wake of it was horrible. I have been diagnosed with PMDD and the post abortion hormones and emotions were much worse. It was also absolutely the right choice to go through with it. But suggesting so broadly that it’s the same as menstrual hormones is totally off base. Everyone is different.
I lost a baby at 4 months, on my son's 2nd birthday. I heard the heartbeat. I thought I felt the flutter. I truly already loved that baby. However, bringing a child into the world is so awesome a responsibility that I would never tell another woman that she MUST carry a child to birth. I agree with Russell's assertion that pro-lifers ought to consider the needs and well-fare of all human beings who are already moving around on this planet before making a woman criminal for her choice. Amanda Palmer is right. We should trust the woman to know for herself.
Cling to that belief system lady. I imagine you have to.
imagine her changing her mindset now. Couldn't be possible without religion but im guessing she's an atheist
@@HaZe905 plenty of atheists are pro-life, this notion that only religious people are pro-life is narrowminded and so is the notion of not being able to change their mind without conversion.
The problem is that, from what I've seen, what an abortion truly is just isn't discussed in real honesty. It was only when I was educated on the reality of what an abortion is that I became pro-life. No conversion needed, and I'm pretty sure I'm not ghe first or the last perosn to have that experience.
@@michaelbashford2733 look at the context of the conversation "cling to that belief system lady. I imagine you have to."
As in, she is in too deep now to change belief systems.
My point isn't about becoming pro life if you're a male bearded atheist, its about the journey SHE would have to make to become pro life. There'd be a lot of reckoning. As an atheist she wouldn't make it to the other side of that reckoning in one piece so she will never begin the journey. With a belief in a reckoning oneself with something higher, the journey may be undertaken, and with a belief that one can be forgiven, the journey may be survived, but without these things she will have to cling to her belief system as it is or be lost.
@@michaelbashford2733 I've watched videos of several abortions, quite up-close and detailed, and I'm as belligerently pro-choice as always.
I will be turning 59 next month. I am the youngest of five children, and both my mother and my siblings let it be known that if abortion were legal in 1961 I would not be here. While I am grateful to be alive I feel very sorry for my mother. My being born was a tremendous burden to her and the rest of the family. The fact that my father died when I was six and my mother sustained permanent brain damage in an accident two years later seemed to confirm to my young self that my existence was a horrible mistake.
I am absolutely pro-choice. At the end of the day no amount of when-does-life-begin arguments trumps the essential argument that a woman owns her body; she has as much right to evict a fetus from herself as she does to evict a tapeworm. We may not own our children, but pregnant women own their fetuses. Once the umbilical cord is cut the role shifts from ownership to responsibility, and taking care of the child becomes an obligation (which one could fulfill by giving it up for adoption.) But until it’s no longer attached to your body, it’s a choice, and if you choose to abort, it’s no one’s business but yours.
That’s not easy for me to say. When I was thirty I got my then-girlfriend pregnant. I made it clear that I would support her in having the baby or in any other decision she made. She chose to have an abortion, her parents paid for it, and I met her at the clinic afterwards and took her out for dinner. We continued dating for another year and a half; the abortion had nothing to do with our breakup. But I was grieving inside in a way I never told her.
I really wanted that child. Years later I worked with an intern who looked a lot like my ex, and a little like my sister, and was about the same age our child would have been. It was very triggering. Don’t worry, I didn’t say anything to her or act inappropriately, and I have since left that job and that city far behind.
I guess what I’m trying to say is: Abortion should absolutely be legal, absolutely be fully covered by insurance, and should absolutely not be grounds for judgment or condemnation. And at the same time I can say, without in any way contradicting myself: abortion is taking a life. It is a monumental decision. It is simultaneously heartbreaking and liberating.
Abortion is hard. Please don’t make it harder with your stupid signs with bloody fetuses on them.
Hello Iam 24 years old.i have never been through this. But Iam a very sensitive person others people's suffering really affects me I just want to send you love. To you and your family
I hope you do alright man but I feel like abortion should be a last resort for people its unfortunate how all these teenagers get pregnant and have abortions it's very aggravating because it is shameful that they didn't take proper prerequisites to prevent that but if anything there should be at least some ramifications it doesn't seem right to take a life because it would not be what you want even though some people are fully capable of taking care of the child it's a shame really ik it could be a real unfortunate situation to try to take care of it but you could always give the child away to a loving family as another option it just seems odd so many people choose death of a child instead of giving it away I feel like I would have more grief if I chose to have an abortion rather than give the child away. Anyway that's my viewpoint
@@soulsearchermusicsavedmyli3860 Thank you so much - that means a lot to me. All the same to you.
@@jdj830 thankyou very much
Hallelujah......God made us intelligent beings who are able to make decisions. This topic is a big decision and does have its repercussions.
Women should always have the right to choose!
Sadhguru on Twitter: "Belief leads people to accept the most ridiculous things as the absolute truth.Nov 6, 2019
I wonder if Sadhguru really believes that?
@@tomlock5484 Its my belief that you're disingenuous.
And? What does that mean in the context of the subject of abortion? Can you expand on Sadhguru's quote?
@@Icureditwithmybrain
Okay. What has drawn you to that conclusion? Is it simply that you disagree with me or is it based on anything with more substance?
Well, that works for so many things that we don’t even have time to count them.
She’s just spouting moral relativism. Your beliefs about something don’t measure the truth of it.
Agreed Lauren, but I think that can go both ways. I do agree with Amanda Palmer to an extent, I believe (which is totally subjective and can be far off from what she is trying to say) she isn't saying what she believes in the "ultimate truth". She's is saying depending how you were raised (your upbringing) and what has been drilled inside your mind from those who have come before you. She can understand why a person who believe that life is created at conception disagree with abortion, however that isn't how she was raised and sees abortion respectfully. To further my thought - I truly believe things are so much more difficult than people can understand. Which is one of the reason why there is so much division in our society today. Instead of addressing people actions and perspective from an understanding point of view we automatically dismiss them - and label them. All I'm saying Lauren is to question why you believe what you believe in respectfully.
@@roas2 this!
@@kadaffishakoor5974 The issue here is the intrinsic value of human life though. It is not what you believe or have been conditioned by whichever environment. A pregnancy = baby = human = life. From the dawn of civilization, this has been the only result. No woman out there gave birth to a fax machine or a mattress for us to question whether it is life in there or not. These postmodern feminists are blatantly just drawing a line in the sand between what is righteous and self-convenient. A line, by the way, that holds no permanent position and yet has no logical conviction to begin with.
Nobody ever says this: life isn’t great for everyone. I have days where I like it, and days where I don’t. I’d rather not be here but suicide is a tricky one and I’ve got it wrong once. Why do we value life so much and assume everyone values it the same as the next person? It’s so unimportant and ultimately inconsequential but humans are sooooo full of hubris and self importance.
I think I get your point, but I don't think anyone should be able to decide that someone else's life isn't worth living. We should start with the assumption that it is worth it.
@@gastronomist why should we assume that a life will be worth it, especially if the odds are against it
Amelia you are 100% spot on i fully agree with you
@@beckylane5109 Sorry, I thought that I made it clear - because it's not your life. You can decide that your life is worth living if you want to, but I have no right to decide that, even if the odds suggest that it isn't worth living.
Agreed. Life is so enormous as to be overwhelming. And a lot of the time you have to act okay. The things keeping me here aren't really me either. I'd just prefer to not bankrupt my family or have them feel responsible in any way.
THANK YOU RUSSELL! This is the argument that I keep saying, if life is sacred, then all life should be sacred whether you are just conceived or 110 years old. 6:20
ummm what 100...or 90...or 80 yr old person is chosen to be murdered at the behest of someone else? Are u talking life support for someone in a vegetative state or terminal cancer bc thats a horrible comparison to a newborn with the onset of vigor of life and opportunity to breathe its first breath of air.
@@factscrub3755 Lack of access to much needed medical service is the main point of contention. The U.S. does have Government assistance programs, however they are never sufficient to help a family very much. A woman in the US has to be either pregnant or disabled to get Medicaid funding to help her medical expenses. And once she has children, she can get food stamps and medicaid for the children, but no longer for herself. And then once the children turn 18, they are considered adults and dropped off of all government assistance. These are often hard working single parents that need these programs. Not to mention, Food Stamps don't buy diapers. . Once you turn 65, you can use Medicare. However, it does not cover the elderly enough. They still have to use the majority of their limited social security income on medical bills, particularly medications. Too often, the message to outlaw abortion also comes from the same people who want to get rid of welfare. So you want her to have the baby, but you're not willing to pay for it. So the message those restrictions send is that life is only sacred until they turn 18, then you're on your own. That is where that comes from for me.
I appreciate Russel making safe space to openly discuss this topic 🤍🕊 thank you
Yes I appreciate that Russell is expanding the issues he is talking about with people Iam very interested in learning about struggles and topic issues that are taboo
It's hardly that taboo at the moment, most people are on the side of pro-choice nowadays. Its an easy convo for him to have when he agrees fully with her stance
@@asarta703 aborrion is simple " if you can't afford it, abort it"
There should of been some talk about the guilt one has when they abort a baby. Even for people that deny it, deep down it affects them greatly. Both physically, mentally and spiritually. It's why many of those women who had abortions are deeply depressed and on the verge of suicide from the guilt. Just as veterans feel after war, knowing they killed innocent people or seen their mates die in war. It's this sort of PTSD that haunts them for the rest of their lives, whether they like to admit it or not.
I think that's where most of the vitriol and mental gymnastics come to play, instead of integrating the trauma they're going through related to the death of their child they construct logical frameworks about how it "wasn't really a life" and become almost feral at any discussion of the opposite... I just want civilized discussion. If you argue conception isn't the beginning of life, you better have some solid scientific arguments to back that up.
Yeah it's such an easy thing to avoid...this "guilt". How about: dont have sex because you will create life. She grew up in MA...she knew what sex made
Glad. Small price to pay, rather than with your own life...due to your own decisions and irresponsibility
Soul Sage not true. Recent evidence based study in the UK showed that 95% of women do not regret having an abortion. The whole ‘regret’ line is just another narrative to shame women. And is exactly why more women need to talk about their abortions
@@MsBoudicea Thats interesting, any sources for this study? Maybe you're right. I'd have imagined the regret came from the whole death of a child thing and not some "lets get together and shame women" conspiracy but maybe you're right.
Reading all these comments made me cry at the lack of understanding, judgment, and callousness of humans. I had two abortions. One when I was 20 and studying, contraception failed, I had taken the morning after pill a few hours later but it hadn't worked. I didn't dare keep the baby because of the damage the pill might have caused. The second time I was using contraception but it failed, I was in an abusive relationship, afraid, and was told to abort the baby by my partner. It was the hardest decision of my life. It is not as simple as telling a woman to use contraception, or that you are an idiot for having gotten pregnant. Our bodies are not robotic and contraception does not always work. You don't know everyone's story, so maybe leave your judgment until you have experienced it for yourself.
You're right. It's not simple. It's not easy. But is it alive? If it is a baby, if it is a human, then abortion is murder. And murder is deserving of judgment to the highest degree. If the mother takes ownership of her body and her choice, then it is her responsibility to face the consequences. The guilt is on her hands. I'm sorry you faced such a terrible choice. No mother should have to go through that. New life is supposed to be a joyous occassion, not a time of fear, regret, or loss.
Well it depends what you consider to be alive. For something to be alive, to live, doesn't it need to be able to survive independently? To be able to inhale and exhale? Is a human a human when it is half the size of your thumbnail? When does it become conscious? I'm not saying it isn't, I don't quite know what I think on that philosophically, but it isn't as simple as you suggest it is. I do know, that at that point it is also you. And when you are faced with these choices there isn't a clear right or a wrong, it is often a very marginal less right or less wrong, a shade of grey and an impossible choice to make.
Abortion certainly is to experience a death in the body. But, especially in the early stages, I think you are killing a potential life, as well as a part of yourself.
I didn't say I was a victim. I made that choice and I take responsibility for it. But it is not quite as simple as 'should have taken contraception', denouncing a woman as stupid, cold or any other judgment or insult. You have no idea what situation a woman is in or how she got there.
@@zachhecita I love the fact you are placing all this blame and responsiniltiy on women....what about men involved ..what about the men who also get women pregnant and then turn out to not be relaible or supportive or abusive ...or indeed women who get pregnant thorugh rape or maybe other means of not totally consensual sex?
People's sex lives are much more complicated than you seem to understand but then you are in the shame and blame game and its usually that kind of attitude which stops women taking sovereignty over their bodies and makes them feel shame and allows men to get away with anything.
I work in psychiatric wards and I meet many women who have had an abortion. I met one recently. She said she went into the clinic as a scared innocent girl and she came out like a hardened zombie. She said she has felt dead inside ever since. I gave her a hug and we prayed.
Charlie Chaplain I was taken there by so called friends and boyfriend. Abortion didn’t occur to me until they all made it clear I had no support, and the serious talks about ”what if ... we’ll keep it”... HE didn’t want to use contraception.
One girl said she would kill herself if she became pregnant. She stood outside my bathroom door after taking the test.
It was also physically, extremely painful. He held my hand but wow, in assisted murder was my experience.
A year and half after, I was told to have a psychosis. At the bottom was the memory and insight of what I did.
After that I am a ”rather not” - before, I had no idea. Never thought it would apply to me
Anecdotes aren't data. Most women feel relief, not regret.
Truth would include the fact that the conceived yet undeveloped child has its own DNA separate to the mother. To say "my body, my decision" is false. Choosing life includes choosing to welcome those beginnings and to not invite in then reject.
My body. Not carrying a zygote. Do what you want to your own body. Don't presume to have the correct answer for anyone other than yourself.
@@klimtklavier exactly. Choose to not begin a life then reject it.
@@klimtklavier for the sake of the uninformed girl herself. I know too many who were told it would be easy but it wasn't. To cause harm to any being harms the soul.
“To make the right choices in life, you have to get in touch with your soul. To do this, you need to experience solitude, which most people are afraid of, because in the silence you hear the truth and know the solutions.” - Deepak Chopra.
deepak is a charlatan and a fraud. think for yourself dummy
What dumb shit. Solitude is for people who need to forget some of the stuff thats been said to them so they dont act out on it. Take a deep breath.
@@jackbenson8228 Wisdom is in the heart not in the words
The choice, aside from semantics, is: Am I willing to murder a baby, or not. End of, period. Once you're a 'victim' you can justify anything, including murdering babies. Whether it's yours or not.
Three! Ummmmmmmmmm.......WTF lady? But as long as your belief system tells you it's okay....then your good. Crazy selfish! My mother had me at the age of 16 , not ideal but thank God she did not think like this women. I am by no means on the RIGHT/conservative side of things but this is kinda disturbing. All life is sacred, the animals, and the unborn.
Who has the crazier hair?
To answer that last question, definitely. It's an awful heartbreak full of unknowable dread, made so much worse by being judged harshly for it while you're at your most vulnerable: a woman's entire being and psyche are culminating in the process of creating life. To be in a positiin where you are simultaneously feeling no choice but to end this baby that a part of you is hormonally driven to nurture is a nightmare.
If you put on a brave front and try to stay composed, the medical staff will crucify you, let alone throngs of hateful strangers or community members who want to crush your soul.
That's a whole other level of torment to carry into the operating space. One kind face as you give up this life? Thank God for a friendly anaesthetist.
Amanda led with her outer trauma. There's a whole lot more underneath that beats the pain of childbirth hands down, Russell.
Mata Hari You are right. She might have a lot of emotions that she simply hides.
She might have been too scared, and without support each time.
What annoys me with people with her retorics, is that,
If it’s been difficult - I would find it more brave to talk about that.
But we don’t know why it happens over and over again for some people.
Maybe she, and everyone arguing like her, are just trying to cover up shame and feelings, by closing it off.
And why they have to talk about it like that, is to defend their action.
But as I said - what annoys me, is that while child protecters are open about emotions and traumas, not counting the aggressive types; pro-choicers show no emotions about the whole thing.
They aleays talk anout ”other women”. Of course - some are in danger snd need the support. But it takes away focus from themselves...
@@Kamiljont Are you going by her words in this video or by her words elsewhere?
If it's just from this video, my point was that she clearly has a lot to say on the subject but it was not necessarily a safe space for her to unwrap that in that particular 20 minutes of their discussion.
I think it was probably a deeply traumatising moment, wading through the hateful throng, so that springs to mind as the stand out. She can articulate it intellectually in hindsight, focussing on the philo-political aspect, but the range of emotions at the time would have been a lot more personally oriented and intense to convey.
Russell's questions led her down that path also. He might have got a different answer if he had asked her open-endedly what the range of emotions were, rather than bringing the pro-lifers to the fore of the discussion.
I could be overthinking this with too little information, and I haven't read through her lyrics and what not, but it's such a difficult thing to experience without adding all the psycho-social judgement to it.
Honest question....if you believe life doesn’t begin at conception then why would you be conflicted or have any guilt about it at all??
@@hollyroxy25 everyone has their own perspective but as we generally can't know when spirit inhabits a growing fetus I think that's a bit of a moot point. You know that if you don't terminate a pregnancy you'll most likely give birth to a human. Not too many people who experience pregnancy would do so without a range of conflicting emotions.
@@matahari7150 seems like 2 conflicting ideas to me. Like if life doesn’t begin at conception then it never was a baby therefore why feel guilt. As you said, if left alone it will likely grow into a baby, that’s why you felt guilt by terminating. Because you know it was life. Someone would have to be soulless imo not to feel that way. To me, that alone proves life begins at conception. I don’t mean to make you feel bad, that’s not my intention. Though I personally couldn’t have an abortion, I don’t believe it’s my place to tell others not to so I’ve always landed in the middle on this issue.
As a dude, i really can’t say much on the subject.
However, I agree with Russel in the sense that we are each entitled to our own belief systems, and free to follow our own practices (that fall within the law, obviously), and shouldn’t expect to have others push their beliefs onto ourselves. If a women chooses to have an abortion, then that is their choice. If you believe that abortion is wrong, that’s fine, don’t get one.
Anthony harper..as a dude you should speak up and you have a moral obligation to speak up. A women's right to killing another human being is not a choice. Does they baby have a choice?
So the same applies toward a one year old child? No, so unfortunately your just trying to make morality up. The law is not morality
@@ktm125pete not sure who you are responding to.
@@bearman631 Anthony, sorry
@@ktm125pete *you're
As soon as I heard "I've had 3 abortions" I immediately had zero interest in what she had to say. Full stop.
i literally just had busy phillips and michelle williams oscar speech playing in my head.
uhm.. maybe she was raped all three times.
when you hear the reality of how abortions are performed, often by literally dismembering or chemically burning sentient beings who feel every minute of their excruciating death, it’s kind of hard to justify.
Except thats not remotely true of course.
Ever heard about first trimester abortions.
False ditochemy. You are well versed in it.
Not if you have an abortion in the first trimester.
That’s not the case for most abortions. The majority are carried out at the early stages of pregnancy. And a lot of women can take medication and it passes like a heavy period.
It’s a mentally and emotionally challenging thing for someone to go through and for the majority, it’s not a decision that’s made lightly, people have their own reasons for choosing it.
You can’t really judge and say it’s hard to justify unless you’ve been in that position yourself.
Exactly!
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
Romans 1:18-19 NASB
bible.com/bible/100/rom.1.18-19.NASB
Interesting. I'm pro-life, and last time I spoke up about that on social media, there were jokes made about how I don't deserve to be alive. Or maybe they weren't jokes? There is much hypocrisy in the Christian right wing, admittedly. Rivalled, and perhaps surpassed even, only in the intolerance and bigotry from those who claim to be free of intolerance and bigotry on the left. Seems when people yoke themselves to sides, they become unable to see things clearly, be consistently empathetic and kind. I used to be highly empathetic to the left BECAUSE of right wing hypocrisy, but they make it hard when they come at me like they have zero respect or tolerance for me because of my love for Jesus, etc.
@@sarahe1491 We think tiny human lives in what should be the safest possible location (womb) have a right to exist and continue growing and living, of course. This to us is much more important than a woman's right to terminate a human life. Just like you'd say a 1 year old baby, though utterly reliant on mother and her decisions, would have a right to continue living and growing. Literally, the only difference is that one is in a womb, and the other left the womb.
Hey I love Yeshua too but NO WHERE has he ever said terminating a pregnancy was wrong! I hate it when fake 'pro-life' people use Jesus as an excuse. Pro-life only when convenient to you then? Because you'd be a hardcore vegan if you are sooooo pro life, if not then look in the mirror when you say ' HYPOCRITE'.
@@DT-fg4kw I have reason. I use it! Jesus values human life and told us not to kill any. He did NOT say "outside the womb" so I'm not trying to impose such a ridiculous thing! He ate animals. Hello?
@@sarahe1491 Adoption is an option. A human life should never be terminated, no matter the circumstances.
@@sarahe1491 that's false! It should be just as tragic, if not moreso, for the mental and physical health of a woman to kill a baby in her womb. What is wrong with people? Babies shouldn't be killed!
People are judging her for having 3 abortions, saying she needs to use contraceptives but she probably is using contraceptives, they are not 100% foolproof. My mum got pregnant with me on birth control, even the best birth control (iud) is only 99.8% effective. And considering most people use the pill or condom (about 91% effective as people don't always use them right) then if you're fairly sexual active you are likely to get pregnant over the years. Let's also not forget all the lovely (not common but not rare) guys who take the condom off during sex without the other person's knowledge.
And women who say they are on the pill but are not.
Yeah right, 3 abortion and its the contraception... Spare me that load of shit.
Getting pregnant 3 times while using birth control is unheard of.
stancexpunks I wonder how old she was when she had the other abortions...
What an absolutely patronizing argument from her. I'm pro life and I'm not a Christian and I'm not my parents. Not even close. And why don't I trust you? Lol. Well, you're THREE abortions in at this point. Lol. Ffs. When, exactly, does it become a form of contraception? The 2nd? The 5th? Whenever you finally feel guilty? Geezuz
In some religions, life begins at 120 days after conception (that is when it is believed that the soul enters the body).
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Until recently, most people believed that life started at the "quickening" (which is when the mother was able to feel the baby start moving). This is also at about 120 days (or 4 months into pregnancy).
In some places, where infant mortality is historically precarious, the baby wasn't given a name until their first birthday. At that time (if they managed to survive) they are recognized as a "person" and given a place in the community.
Yes, I don't think anyone here can dictate when this happens, you would have to be a self righteous fundamentalist. Equally collective life started 3.5 billion years ago.
how seriously she says how none of the women she knows took having an abortion lightly.. she's had 3. i wouldn't take her seriously at all.
Yeah you would think she would stop letting dudes blow loads in her. They are called condoms, they work. When me anx my wife didnt want to have kids, i wore a rubber. its worked for seven years after having my first kid. The abortion argument is bullshit, basically they are saying, it feels better when i fuck without a rubber. Its an issue of responsibility, and within the current mask context, its funny that this similarity isnt brought up.
I'm glad the interview discussed the sadness of abortion, either side, and I've seen Pro-lifers flip when its their daughter, most likely will experience sadness when it happens in their family, or to their friends. I think politicizing abortion pulls away from the real experience, from the reality of every day life, and ends up taking advantage of certain groups that can be manipulated and beneficial for those in politics. Abortion is sad, being gay has be tough, being black in America or Europe has to be hard, figuring out mass shooting and gun rights is really difficult, but it enters the abstract when the media and the politics (Big Business) use it. The news, big companies, even the internet cant and shouldn't be trusted, but it can be used to reconnect to ourselves, to each other, and to our human compassion. Love everyone
It's wonderful to revisit this discussion, from 2 years ago, with a very intelligent and insightful woman who also has a deep spiritual life. Amanda Palmer is making an important contribution here to this debate about women and their choices around reproduction. I wholeheartedly agree with all the points she makes. Deep appreciation to both of you for having this candid, in-depth and nuanced discussion about one of the most complex issues in human history: who owns your body? Whose life is it, anyway? Where does our individual sovereignty begin and end? 💞☮🌟
Same questions I have for the babies
@@laurak7388 Ahh… the trolls are out in force, looking for any place they can leave their mark - like dogs pissing on a spot where another dog has already left their scent. It’s endless. And pointless - and disingenuous lip service in a country whose poorest, food insecure, homeless or at-risk are increasingly made up of women and children. Countries, and their citizens, who actually care about the plights of the most vulnerable, all our precious children, structure a society and systems that truly, evidentially take good and proper care of them. The hypocrisy in the U.S., and around the world, around the issue of child welfare is stunningly, breathtakingly, heartbreakingly tragic! So don’t drop your little sanctimonious ‘turds’ everywhere you find a spot online to drop one. Ask yourself what YOU are doing to address the egregious, willful neglect, by society, of those millions of children ALREADY HERE who need more assistance, more attention and more unconditional love. In short: love and support and protect those who are among us, and prevent them from becoming the next generation of wounded beings who are then faced with another cycle of procreation…and more neglect…and around and around it goes. When are humans going to wake up to these patterns of ignorance? 😞
No one wants babies to be killed in the womb. This isn't about religion, this isn't about dogma and patriarchy, although this influences some people's beliefs. The baby is not a clump of cells, it's a human being.
the way these two individuals listen to each other is an ideal I wish for for every political/philosophical conversation/discussion I will have in the future
Disagree massively on this one
Do you at least like the fact that she had empathy?
As a ma.
I talked her into it.
I drove her
Took her home.
We had 3 children after
1 abort 2 misscarries.
Im so sorry i did that.
Im 53 now
I would change that descision , if i could.
Children are amazing. Luckily I have 3 of 3 and they are all healthy, beautiful children. Sorry ya'll have that element in your past. Heal.
💛
James, a ma?
My heart thumped all the way through this.
I've adored both Palmer and Brand since I was a teenager, so a good 15 years. Amanda Palmer has always resonated with me on a profound level but when it comes to abortion, it's as though she's one of the very, very few who approaches the topic with genuine compassion and empathy. No one grows up thinking they'll find themselves in the indescribably tough position of seeking an abortion. No one. It's incredibly difficult to convey the experience as a whole to those who haven't found themselves walking through clinic doors, the experience itself, the emotional and psychological aftermath... Thank-you Amanda 💜
me, me, I, I, me, me I, I, excuse excuse, me me, my feeling, my trauma, me, me..................................ego-placation/blame deflection, as designed, as taught.........the hungry altar beckons the selfish
okay..and so what? Why is it bad to care about herself, isnt it her own life? Dont get me wrong, I want to say I'm pro-life, but this doesn't seem convincing as an argument
stan leecups yes- her Ego is immense...sad to watch really. She is her own prisoner
Ah yes because carrying a child in her body is not her decision. Would you rather she talked from the unborn foetus’s perspectives? The pro lifers perspectives?
Yara hey, if you “want” to say you’re pro life, you’re probably pro choice! Being pro choice doesn’t mean you’re pro abortion, it means you understand it’s necessary for a lot of cases. Example, you can be pro choice but never ever want to g9 through an abortion yourself. That okay. It’s your body, your choice.
@@emilycalderwood2573 I really don't know what to say, the idea of abortion makes me feel really sick, it feels like murder, pro-choice seems to take it way too lightly, pro-life also feels too invasive, i wish there were another group to be very honest. I wish people understood the consequences of sex better and took it more seriously
Russell is talking with her with empathy and respect of her view. My friend told me she done it, she was too young for be a mother and how much guilt she carries a long time...I told her I undestand and that I cannot blame her.
Maybe if she is feeling guilt, it might be her own brain telling her : you've done bad. No ?
Sugar coating things can go so far. You can't run from yourself when you look in the mirror.
I can understand external factors for the decision, but let's not pretend its a positive thing here.
Well I cannot speak for her, I want to say that I tryed to listen to her with empathy. I dont think that anyone says here that abortion is great and good, its about bad circumstances, not about bad person. Besides Im not judging kind of person, trying to tell people that Im always right. Shod I tell her: Yea, you've done really bad thing, I dont want to see you any more!
It's more the modern-day attitude that feminism has towards abortion, that pisses me off.
I can totally understand that there are cases where women have to do it.
But it should be grave. Very grave. But some people now joke about it, or talk about it while never mentioning the baby's side of the story.
Honestly that female guest talks too coldly about this subject, did NOT like that attitude.
@Truncated Icosahedron Fair point. I've never heard one on mainstream media.
Always braindead hollywood actresses talking about how its "liberating" to abort innocent creatures.
Yeah what a powerful woman you are, you crushed the skull of a miniature defenseless being. So courageous of you.
I dont agree.Happy to live in Europe where no one takes right to decide about instead of me.
It's very telling who is willing to pick apart and ridicule this woman's past trauma and judge her for it. Bet you all the money in the world few would get on such a platform and air their own past traumas and controversial decisions.
I believe this might because I made earlier, I am just curious into how is my comment rediculing? I haven't called her names, I haven't said anything about her trauma, and I just focus on the statement she said.
I would like to know if you go on a show and speak about a controversial topic and say opinions that not everyone agree with you. Isn't foolish on your side not to expect any kind of backlash. If she want to talk about her trauma, it is up to her to choose an outlet and weigh all of the benefits and cons, and if she is okay with it why would you complain about.
Especially when she is on a show with Russel who is very calm host in comparison to other, and a guest is less likely to get flustered and say something stupid.
@cait P
Why do people like you criticize people who express their opinions on what is a PUBLIC video!
If Amanda Palmer doesn't want people to criticize her then she should keep her private life private. When she and anyone else puts their personal life on show in a PUBLIC video they give up the right to privacy and people can have any opinion they like, including being judgmental if they want!
You're acting like we are all supposed to be sensitive to her feelings and sympathise no matter what, but we are not.
It's simple, you don't like the heat stay out of the kitchen!
Ergo, don't paste your personal life all over the internet if you only want sympathy and people to agree with you!
@@Sunset-87
You have totally misunderstood that Bible reference!
If you must reference the Bible understand it first!
@@abdfever
Well said!
@@avesatana20 I'm not criticising people for having an opinion, and I didn't say anything about being sensitive to her feelings no matter what she says. Don't strawman what I said to argue a point I didn't make.
Disagreeing with someone doesn't justify some of the really ugly things people have been saying in the comment section. Simple.
I could push on my stomach at 12 weeks pregnant & feel the resistance of my baby against my hand. At 15 weeks she kicked the PA's hand as he tried to get a good heartbeat with the monitor. Because of my beliefs I believe life begins at conception. I've had 2 miscarriages that took a piece of my heart each time. The 8 hour window of opportunity of even achieving conception is so delicate... To me it just shows you how amazing it is to even conceive in the first place. I know many women that haven't been able to conceive, or lost a baby to health reasons. The heartache of not having a wanted baby is horrible too! I have a completely different outlook on this, but I don't hate her, I won't judge her, & I would even be her friend. I believe the key to preventing this is education & using protection. I've had several friends & family members have unplanned pregnancies. They ended up keeping their babies or giving them up for adoption, & all has turned out well. I believe "a life is a life, no matter how small". If we weren't meant to exist, we wouldn't have been created in the first place.
Regardless of our opinions on the issue of abortion, we need MORE conversations like this, where we can talk about the grey areas. Without fear of political repercussion or zero-sum dynamics. Amanda, you're amazing and I totally respect and admire you!
On the contrary, after three abortions with no effort to prevent it after the first, I do not respect her or admire her. I get the first one, but the second and third are absurd.
Hi Anita - this was my feeling as well. The tremendous courage it took each of them to even START this dicey conversation is admirable.
I applaud their choice to refrain from issuing moral judgments, and for completely acknowledging that human males and human females sometimes make mistakes. Sometimes more than once. 🙏
Unfortunately in the case of unwanted pregnancies, females seem to bear the brunt of full accountability, when in fact the responsibility of what could happen when two people copulate should be shared 50-50 (if we are indeed an educated, intelligent and loving culture). ❤️
A broader stroke to consider has to do with what we are teaching our sons. Also an uncomfortable conversation, but pivotal if we are to evolve into a more refined and enlightened society.
@@NoobNoobNews Absurd or otherwise ..... safe and legal all the way!
@@NoobNoobNews Yeah... they're absurd because you're assuming that she didn't make any efforts. Do you even know what happened ? And even if she was being reckless letting those souls go will always be better than bringing unwanted babies into this world to suffer. That would have been a bigger mistake
I'm proud of her for speaking out and sharing her view and experience about the topic, we can all learn something from this.
@@jerichozrose3 Here is the thing. Abortions are traumatic experiences. Three would destroy a normal person. She is not normal. She shows signs of antisocial behavior of going through many men and using multiple abortions and then being proud of it all. She is unable to look at the perspective of pro life in a reasonable light, saying she understands but does not. She lacks empathy for different people, and that is signs of a deeper issue. She cannot form meaningful and lasting human relationships and disposes of human life quickly without any sign of trauma. Does that sound familiar?
3 unwanted pregnancies,despite the abundance of contraception,is too much to sympathise with🤷
Last year 215,000 abortions were carried out in the UK. I don't know how any moral, decent person can't be horrified by that number. 215,000 innocent human lives wiped out, it is not 'your body' it is a separate living entity growing inside of you that should have the same right to life that we were all given.
I’ve never been pregnant never wanted to be and always thought I’d have to have an abortion, then my friend give birth at 7 months to a 2lb baby, which thank goodness Drs & Nurses fought incredibly hard to save , when I looked at those tiny little fingers I became pro life. I understand the other side of the argument because I was that side but No it’s can’t be right that in the same hospital little fingers like hers we’re being cut up or sucked out and dumped. She is now a healthy loving 17 year old,
I say make it fair. Close the entire sex trade 100% full stop! Then preach to me about abortions being wrong because life starts at conception. The sex trade is cheapens human life. No matter if you provide the sex or purchase the sex. Remind me how you don't fight down the sex trade but you go after women taking responsibility for being human.
'What must it be like in there, to make you say that to me and believe it" i have lived by this point of consciousness for years. Hurt people Hurt people,.....true compassion exists when i wonder about you and how you are, without judgement, even when you are attacking me.
AGAIN. "No death penalty"?
I really can't finish watching this female. Something about her makes my skin absolutely crawl.
An abortion is a solution to a selfish act simply for pleasure. We all know how babies are made. If you are aware that you do not intend to be a parent or able to financially support another human life, why not choose to prepare prior than choose to kill after the fact.
As a pro life person, I disagree with the death penalty or extreme poverty etc. The thing is I believe it starts in conception (not religious) but I'm not sure, like almost everyone else.
However if it doesnt why are people charged if the punched a pregnant woman and she then loses it for anything more than assault. They get charged with manslaughter, normally.
This is "my body line" doesnt work with me. Get a tattoo. Get a piercing. Sterilise yourself. Change your body how you see fit. But I dont agree with affecting the body of someone inside your body.
My exceptions are for health reasons and rape etc (but even rape would probably be a health issue, mentally).
I've learned there is no point having discourse with someone who states what their views are. Even if there are valid points arguing against it we will always find a reason why they're wrong.
While I’m pro choice I find it a little crazy to have to have had 3 abortions, I feel like more responsibility should have been taken there. Still I have to respect that she has a different view point and it is her body. It doesn’t affect me.
Amber Farroh exactly, doesn’t affect you. So don’t feed the pro lifers by saying it’s a bit irresponsible to have 3.
For me, it all depends on which people want to have abortions. 😊👍
Emily Calderwood when someone kills someone, yes it does affects me. It affects all of us.
That child is not her body. It has a completely different DNA.
Fawn yeh yeh makes sense. So are you vegan? Are you fighting for Muslims in concentration camps? Are you fighting for the murdered and missing indigenous women and children? Are you against ICE? You anti war?
If you feel abortion is a stressful situation, you know in your heart of heart that it is wrong. Your conscience never lies. Your heart knows what is morally wrong and right. No amount of rationalizing can change that.
And on a side note: pregnancy is an entirely preventable condition.
Sentiment has nothing to do with my pro life stance. It is humanism. It is respect for life itself. That is the reason not many more people get brutally murdered. Hitler had no morality abd no compassion nor respect. Neither did Stalin. And that it is a question of rational reasoning. When does life start? What criteria amount to a being of having life?
What makes somebody a human being? What are human rights? Who grants human rights to humans and what categories could be exempt? ( that last one is the tricky one yeah)
You cannot see the situation if the unborn different than that of the elderly or the mentally handicapped. If life only gets protection if you value that person, you can go on and slaughter every man, woman or child you don't care for. Because they cost money or are basically a nuisance.
Because the sole reason to abort a baby is that they are a nuisance. Well, so are you when you get old.
But if you create a world of no mercy, you will get a pill or an injection if some other " humane" final solution to you being a nuisance to the State or your family.
Is that the kind of morality you want? You get what you give, in the end.
The problem with you pro-lifers is that you only ever consider the QUANTITY of life and never the QUALITY of life. "Life" is a combination of quantity and quality. Pro-lifers value quantity over quality, and pro-choicers value quality over quantity. Decreasing the quality of a life is just as immoral as decreasing the quantity of a life. If carrying a baby to term would reduce the mother's quality (or quantity) of life, then it's immoral to force her to have that baby. Forcing someone to cause harm to themselves to preserve the life of another is legally unjustifiable.
Excellent comment Caroline
@@shnnktl causing harm? By being pregnant you mean? Then one must do everything they can to not get pregnant. Life is precious, it shouldn’t be taken away so easily. On your remark about quality of life - that’s a separate topic. First and foremost we must give everyone baby a fighting chance.
@@shnnktl Never been to lawschool I see. No philosophy either.
Nobody can be forced to cause harm to him or herself for the good of others. Which is precisely why I oppose mandatory mRNA vaccinations. If a mothers life is in danger, there will be an emergency C section. The baby will die along with the mother if things go wrong. The doctors never sacrifice the mother for the child.
But what is " harm"? To you pro choicers a healthy pregnancy is too much of a bother and you call that harm. But your mon was pregnant with you for nine months and she turned out just fine. Being pregnant is not harmful. Sure, the backpain and the swollen ankles and the acid reflux are a nuisance, but not a danger or harmful. Every mother gets it.
Getting the HELP syndrome is indeed harmful to mother and child. It occurs in the last few weeks. The baby does not get aborted in that case. It gets delivered! They both live or they both die.
But you are proving me right. To you a baby is a nuisance. A burden. An unwanted addition. Something to have to take care of. Something that takes up your spare time. Something you have to love ! So you kill it without mercy. And one day you will be considered a nuisance and a bother too and you will be killed without mercy too. But that is the society you chose. A merciless society. Actions have consequences. Choose to kill and you will be killed. The choice is yours.
NO ITS NOT SPEACIALLY WHEN YOU ARE RAPED
You can totally tell she has it all together and knows exactly who she is.
Anyone notice that she talks about her first abortion like she was some clueless kid (and therefore excusable) yet she doesn't talk about why she had to have two more??? Pretty questionable.
Exactly what I was thinking
It's nobody else's business.
I have never met a "pro-Life" person who is actually "pro-Life"... They all have been without exception "anti-abortion". Qualifications to be "Pro-Life" are much greater than merely "anti-abortion".
I've never met a "pro-choice" person who is actually "pro-choice"... They all have been without exception "pro-abortion". Qualifications to be "Pro-Choice" are much greater than merely "pro-abortion"
Of course pro-life is anti-abortion.... you can't be pro-like and pro-abortion, that's like the first qualification lol
That's why it is "without exception" That's like saying Every race car driver owns a car without exception.
Pro life, in my very humble opinion, is the respect the sanctity of life. This would include being against the death penalty and assisted suicide as well. The basis of this belief is that only God has the right to take a life because God created life. If one doesn’t believe in God, it doesn’t mean one can’t hold the same respect of the sanctity of life.
Life is valuable at all stages and should be protected at all stages
That's because you have assumed being against abortion means being pro life. Or because pro choice people like yourself are so determined to vilify people against abortion, to the point that you call them anti-choice, that it was necessary for them to clarify that they are 'pro-life for innocent babies'.
Being pro-life is not what YOU or pro choice people determine it to be. You do not get to tell pro life people what it means to be pro life.