Appreciate you mentioning "true operating condition". It's a real consideration. It's important with other guns too. I think especially with the P320 also, because the sear drops/rotates straight down to release the sear... so the slide not being pushed up by the magazine really makes a difference (because of the slide up/down play like you mention). Can have an excellent trigger with a magazine installed... but then have a trigger that don't work at all when there is no magazine inserted.
Your one of the first trigger builders that I’ve seen that’s even mentioned having a magazine inserted. Your absolutely correct, the upward pressure of the mag with a round in it does affect the trigger pull. We’ll done sir.
Hello I own a glock 19 gen 4. In the country I live in, there is a problem with some bullets not exploding. Bullets that have no problems in other guns do not explode in my Glock. Some mechanics told me to install a Glock OEM red needle spring. What do you recommend? Thank you.
If you hate light strikes you're running a 6 or 6 1/2 lbs spring I love reliability, my friend has a zev 2lbs connector with a 6lbs reset spring and a reduced power safety plunger spring all together it's like 3 1/2 lbs trigger n super reliable
Wolff could have made/designed the 5 LB striker spring much better. It’s resting length is much shorter than the Glock OEM 5.5. If I recall correctly it’s wire diameter is the same. The result is a lighter trigger due to reduced preload. The problem with that is that it loses energy faster as it reaches full extension. For example with a shorter spring at full cock it’s 5 lbs at full extension it’s 1 lb. With a longer spring with a smaller diameter the full cock could still be 5lb but the preload at full extension could be 2lb. Same peak weight more area under the curve. This results in more energy delivered to the striker.
There was an analysis done in the CZ community regarding use of Glock striker springs in the p10c. They found that a wolff 5 lb spring although producing higher peak weights at trigger break delivered less energy in its stroke than an HBI 3.5 lb spring as the HBI spring was much longer and could sustain its spring tension over the entire stroke of the striker. I bet if you can find a company to make you a 4.5 lb spring with the longest resting length possible without coil binding at full cock it would deliver more overall energy than a Wolff 5 lb.
How do you feel about the blue spring maritime cups? The ones that allow you to fire under water and stuff, I herd a lotta people DON’T like them for some reason, but if I had one I’d LOVE to no that it could shoot under water haha, even though probably NEVER would but just wondering a professionals point of view on them
While I can't say that it is going to allow you to go John Wick under water, they work just fine and you will find that most modern striker fired guns use a similar design. I use them in my builds without issue
@johnp1839 just my trigger shoe? The Peacemaker 4.0 system is a 4lb break and comes with a connector and striker spring, leave out the striker spring and it is a 4.5-5lb break.
Can I ask you which pound spring you personally use in your Glock?? My buddy has a Glock and wants to change the striker spring because he’s getting light strikes 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ what would you recommend?? It’s a polymer 80 with everything OEM
Let's put it this way, your striker spring choice should be based on what ammo you plan on using.....you want to just use cheap ammo, never go lighter than 5lbs (and even then it might be too light for crap primers) I normally don't recommend any lower than 5lbs for most applications and is the most common in my builds. 4.5lbs is for a range toy with quality ammo and perhaps a lightweight striker.
@@tacticalpontoonyeah. The 4.5 is not reliable. Have one and took it out right away. Went with a Tactical Pontoon 5Lb which is, in fact, the sweet spot.
Is a 6.5 spring to strong?? And if you change to a 6.5 spring do you also have to change the trigger spring?? Sorry I’m just asking for a friend = I don’t no much
Factory is a 5.5lb, so 6.5 is a pretty measurable hump and will make for a very noticeable increase in trigger weight. A 6lb trigger spring will help tame it a bit, but it's not absolutely necessary for function.
@@tacticalpontoon Ty so much once again, your help and info is and SERIOUSLY means a lot to me.. and believe me I most definitely listen haha, I’m definitely going to use the 6.5 spring 🤷🏻♂️I figure it can’t hurt anything right?? Like can I just swap that out OR do I have to swap more stuff out if I swap striker spring?? Sorry for the rookie questions, but I trust my life with everything you and the Marin gun builders says haha, you 2 are my favorite ❤️👌🏽💥
At the risk of sounding like a jerk... It surprises me that people build guns not knowing how they work. Just hope that in building them that they learn how they work. (Can't know until you learn). It's just not something you want to mess with if you don't know what you're doing. Good to learn in advance and then do your own modifications/builds when you think you're sufficiently educated (or have a professional do the work if you can afford it).
@@tigerag29607 Maybe. Many I know actually carry their P80's though and don't own any stock Glocks. Can't say if it's a majority or not, but a lot of people that build P80's do it, so they don't have to go through the BS of having to buy an FFL firearm. They're just not the people you see on youtube making videos about them. They just exercise the Right to bear arms like it was meant to be exercised, without permission of approval.
@@deucedeuce1572 I've only known one person to carry their p80 tbh. That being says I haven't taken a survey, just personal experience. Atleast glocks have like 4 safety measures... Long as they don't go too far with tuning (hopefully the understand safeties before doing this) lol.
@@tigerag29607 True true. Not a hard gun to understand. As long as you understand the safeties and test for function and safety, there's no more risk in carrying a P80 compared to an OEM Glock. (People even make OEM Glocks unsafe with tuning like that).
Thank you so much for this video. Subscribed. I am currently trying to decide whether to get your TWP trigger system or the Peacemaker system for my Shadow Systems XR920, the trigger pull is right at 7 pounds and it affects my accuracy. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I'm no gunsmith, so I'm hoping I can just get one of your drop in systems and be done with it.
@@tacticalpontoon Thank you so much for responding! I was going to go with the 4.5 pound, but if you suggest the 4 pound, that's what I will order. Again, I really appreciate your response.
Appreciate you mentioning "true operating condition". It's a real consideration. It's important with other guns too. I think especially with the P320 also, because the sear drops/rotates straight down to release the sear... so the slide not being pushed up by the magazine really makes a difference (because of the slide up/down play like you mention). Can have an excellent trigger with a magazine installed... but then have a trigger that don't work at all when there is no magazine inserted.
You are correct on all points. It's the little things that can make a difference
Your one of the first trigger builders that I’ve seen that’s even mentioned having a magazine inserted. Your absolutely correct, the upward pressure of the mag with a round in it does affect the trigger pull. We’ll done sir.
Thank you sir. It is something that more people need to know.
Hello
I own a glock 19 gen 4. In the country I live in, there is a problem with some bullets not exploding. Bullets that have no problems in other guns do not explode in my Glock. Some mechanics told me to install a Glock OEM red needle spring. What do you recommend? Thank you.
If you hate light strikes you're running a 6 or 6 1/2 lbs spring I love reliability, my friend has a zev 2lbs connector with a 6lbs reset spring and a reduced power safety plunger spring all together it's like 3 1/2 lbs trigger n super reliable
Lots of ways to get to a goal. Ammo choice can play into it as well.
You can polish OEM internals and get a 3.5lb pull if that's what you're looking for.
Wolff could have made/designed the 5 LB striker spring much better. It’s resting length is much shorter than the Glock OEM 5.5. If I recall correctly it’s wire diameter is the same. The result is a lighter trigger due to reduced preload. The problem with that is that it loses energy faster as it reaches full extension. For example with a shorter spring at full cock it’s 5 lbs at full extension it’s 1 lb. With a longer spring with a smaller diameter the full cock could still be 5lb but the preload at full extension could be 2lb. Same peak weight more area under the curve. This results in more energy delivered to the striker.
There was an analysis done in the CZ community regarding use of Glock striker springs in the p10c. They found that a wolff 5 lb spring although producing higher peak weights at trigger break delivered less energy in its stroke than an HBI 3.5 lb spring as the HBI spring was much longer and could sustain its spring tension over the entire stroke of the striker. I bet if you can find a company to make you a 4.5 lb spring with the longest resting length possible without coil binding at full cock it would deliver more overall energy than a Wolff 5 lb.
How do you feel about the blue spring maritime cups? The ones that allow you to fire under water and stuff, I herd a lotta people DON’T like them for some reason, but if I had one I’d LOVE to no that it could shoot under water haha, even though probably NEVER would but just wondering a professionals point of view on them
While I can't say that it is going to allow you to go John Wick under water, they work just fine and you will find that most modern striker fired guns use a similar design. I use them in my builds without issue
@@tacticalpontoon great ty Sooo much your the greatest
What connector and striker spring weight do you recommend with your Tactical Pontoon trigger for a crisp 4-5lb break that is still reliable?
@johnp1839 just my trigger shoe? The Peacemaker 4.0 system is a 4lb break and comes with a connector and striker spring, leave out the striker spring and it is a 4.5-5lb break.
Can I ask you which pound spring you personally use in your Glock?? My buddy has a Glock and wants to change the striker spring because he’s getting light strikes 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ what would you recommend?? It’s a polymer 80 with everything OEM
Let's put it this way, your striker spring choice should be based on what ammo you plan on using.....you want to just use cheap ammo, never go lighter than 5lbs (and even then it might be too light for crap primers)
I normally don't recommend any lower than 5lbs for most applications and is the most common in my builds. 4.5lbs is for a range toy with quality ammo and perhaps a lightweight striker.
Always good info!
Thank you sir
@@tacticalpontoonyeah. The 4.5 is not reliable. Have one and took it out right away. Went with a Tactical Pontoon 5Lb which is, in fact, the sweet spot.
@@DesertTactical the 4.5 is best with a lightweight striker
Does the striker spring weight have any effect on a compensated slide?Would I need to lighten the spring weight along with the recoil spring weight?
@@shelomonscales7273 not unless there is an extreme case.
Is a 6.5 spring to strong?? And if you change to a 6.5 spring do you also have to change the trigger spring?? Sorry I’m just asking for a friend = I don’t no much
Factory is a 5.5lb, so 6.5 is a pretty measurable hump and will make for a very noticeable increase in trigger weight. A 6lb trigger spring will help tame it a bit, but it's not absolutely necessary for function.
@@tacticalpontoon Ty so much once again, your help and info is and SERIOUSLY means a lot to me.. and believe me I most definitely listen haha, I’m definitely going to use the 6.5 spring 🤷🏻♂️I figure it can’t hurt anything right?? Like can I just swap that out OR do I have to swap more stuff out if I swap striker spring?? Sorry for the rookie questions, but I trust my life with everything you and the Marin gun builders says haha, you 2 are my favorite ❤️👌🏽💥
@steveo6685 when swapping striker springs, overall you should be good to go without changing anything else. Always glad to help
@@tacticalpontoon thanks so much
How do these work in that combat Johnny Glock system on g43x?
Wouldn't know, I don't touch his triggers. I recommend you speak with him on that front. I measure the slimline springs in the same way.
@@tacticalpontoon do you not like his triggers or use them as is lol?
@mr.blanco6763 why would I use his when I build my own? The Peacemaker Extreme Carry system that I build stands above the rest.
@@tacticalpontoon ahhhh didn’t know my guy. I definitely will try it then, checking the site out now!
@mr.blanco6763 👊😎 looking forward to building you something worthy
great video
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At the risk of sounding like a jerk... It surprises me that people build guns not knowing how they work. Just hope that in building them that they learn how they work. (Can't know until you learn). It's just not something you want to mess with if you don't know what you're doing. Good to learn in advance and then do your own modifications/builds when you think you're sufficiently educated (or have a professional do the work if you can afford it).
I'd say most poeple don't carry their p80s but build and learn with them.. Then go on to carry stock glocks
@@tigerag29607 Maybe. Many I know actually carry their P80's though and don't own any stock Glocks. Can't say if it's a majority or not, but a lot of people that build P80's do it, so they don't have to go through the BS of having to buy an FFL firearm. They're just not the people you see on youtube making videos about them. They just exercise the Right to bear arms like it was meant to be exercised, without permission of approval.
@@deucedeuce1572 I've only known one person to carry their p80 tbh. That being says I haven't taken a survey, just personal experience. Atleast glocks have like 4 safety measures... Long as they don't go too far with tuning (hopefully the understand safeties before doing this) lol.
@@tigerag29607 True true. Not a hard gun to understand. As long as you understand the safeties and test for function and safety, there's no more risk in carrying a P80 compared to an OEM Glock. (People even make OEM Glocks unsafe with tuning like that).
Well said sir 👏
Thank you so much for this video. Subscribed. I am currently trying to decide whether to get your TWP trigger system or the Peacemaker system for my Shadow Systems XR920, the trigger pull is right at 7 pounds and it affects my accuracy. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I'm no gunsmith, so I'm hoping I can just get one of your drop in systems and be done with it.
Go with the Peacemaker 4.0 system for sure. That will clean it up nicely. You will need to select the gen4 to fit the Shadow Systems.
@@tacticalpontoon Thank you so much for responding! I was going to go with the 4.5 pound, but if you suggest the 4 pound, that's what I will order. Again, I really appreciate your response.
@Iceflame38 yeah, go for the 4.0 and you can always use it as a 4.5 by not using the striker spring included. Gives you some additional tuning room
@@tacticalpontoon Willl do. Thank you sir.