It's the ignorace of educated that hurts the most to the truthful events to shine Waqf didn't start in 18th century, it's rhe part and partial of Sadqa, charity, startwd with the beginning of Islam in the beginning of 6th century. Waqf of lands, gardens of dates, grapes and fruits, digging and dedicating drinking water wells , etc. were common practices with the advent of Islam in Makka, now in Saudi Arabia.
If Mr Sibal is intelligent as you think he is, why is he not talking about reparation? Tell me what is my fault if I purchase a property from xyz by paying all governmental charges and living on that property for many years and spend my life earned money improving it and one fine morning Waqaf come up with a claim that it is their property, what will I? You want me to leave it and stay on the road? In my opinion, if Muslims are sensible to people like me, they should rather declare me as the rightful owner of the property. This will make Waqaf and Muslims in my eyes real brothers who supports the other religious brothers in their affliction!
There is no need for Waqf provisions in a secular country....Govt should abolish this immediately...anyone who wants to donate land to masjid can do so in private capacity
Go ahead and abolish Hindu Endowment also, no place in a secular country, right? We are indeed secular but not irreligious. Additionally Waqf property is not public land but donated by individuals for public use. Have you not learnt anything here? Strange. Furthermore use of Waqf property is not limited to religious use only.
@@thepacifier3603 then produce the related documents, lands were divided btn 2 countries and communities in 1947. People chose to live here. Don't ask here, ask pak to return your lands.
@@DrAsmaZehraseriously 😂😂😂… one report says minorities r living in utter poverty but at the same time waqf lands increased by 100s of times.. so they r just donating land and living in poverty.. have some shame
@@DrAsmaZehra Most of Wakf properties were grabbed from Hindus as Tamil Nadu Wakf Board claimed a whole Hindu village including a 1500 years old temple as Wakf Property.
वक्फ कानून में संशोधन के मुद्दे पर इतने विशिष्ट अतिथियों के साथ इस व्यापक परिचर्चा को आयोजित करने के लिए आपका शुक्रिया 'द वायर'...फारूकी साहेब ने सही कहा कि इस मामले में केंद्र की सरकार का मकसद वक्फ में सुधार करना न होकर सिर्फ राजनीतिक हितों की पूर्ति करना है...प्रो.फैजान सर ने मुद्दे की कई कानूनी बारीकियों का सराहनीय विश्लेषण किया है...👌👌👍🙏🙏🙏
Jahil ka koi ilaaj nahi hai....Jisne hamesha gulami ki hai wo waqt kya karega aur kya samjhega ...Tumlog ka dna gulam ka hai toh Jo tumhare Masters hai wo jo bolenge wahi maanoge..Agr wo ye bol de ke Tum asli baap koi aur hai wo bhi tum Khushi se Maan loge..
Total discussion on WAQF seems to be confusing & misguiding,by the anti Sanatani,anti Hindus like Kapil Sibal. Had he not participated in the discussion,it would have reflected some other ideas,but his presence shows a conspicuous idea as he was repeatedly saying it has a political agenda behind it.But the Govt. has made it clear that the WAQF will be streamlined to bring in transparency in the functioning of the Muslim Community's betterment,for the purpose the WAQF was formed. The Congressis & INDI ALLIANCES will bring in problems for the WAQF ACT,for passing it in the Parliament & for its implementation,as I guess a rat's smell in Kapil Sibbal's readiness to fight in the SUPREME COURT on behalf of the WAQF BOARD .
Wow !!!! Totally forgot about mention the fact that most of Wakf properties were grabbed from Hindus as Tamil Nadu Wakf Board claimed a whole Hindu village including a 1500 years old Hindu temple in Tiruchirapalli district.
Aa long as we have many Jai chandras in this country in the form of left liberal Congress alliance, you are having great time. Don't you feel highly unethical for all this land grabs. For balance ed perspective , Wire should have invited some one like Sai Deepak or Dr. Ranganathan or even Mr. Sudhanshu Trivedi or Mr. Vishnu Jain. But, Wire being Wire will not take that risk of getting exposed.
Fun Facts : 1) The Ancient name of India is Hindustan, Meaning land of Muslims. 2) Prohet Muhammad was born in a City called Mecca, in Uttar Pradesh. 3) Muhgals actually civilized Hindus who did not even know how to read or write 4) Muslims have the First Right over Nation's Resources, According to Ex Congress PM - MM Singh 5) Allahu Akbar is Secular, Jai Shree Ram is Communal. So, land donated to Allah becomes Secular. WAQF is Secular !
Not declared, but CLAIMED. HC/SC will decide the ownership & final possession, after long litigation & survey. Godi Media/WhatsApp university is very dangerous.
@@gagan3440 Haha.... Claimed, or Declared doesn't make any difference... Claiming the temple area and an entire village itself is unacceptable; what's wrong in claiming Kashi & Mathura then ( other 40000 temples).... Let's go to that territory and the 1991 act can be amended, or completely squashed.
@@gagan3440 Stop this ur Godi media vs mine... The Wire itself is a Godi of Congress, and the Americans. After all it's owned by an American citizen, right?
What a discussion! am so impressed. It was very informative and useful to understand the intricacies of waqf properties, their use and problems in the proposed bill . It is so unfortunate that main media channels have completely stopped facilitating such discussions with intellectuals, experts and knowledgeable people to make masses understand and form informed views. Congratulations to the wire and Sibal sir for their efforts.
So @KapilSibal - I have a few questions: 1. Is the WAQF a parallel government? 2. So did India get Independence from British but not from WAQF? 3. Is there a parallel to WAQF for any other religion? 4. In which Court are the litigations decided? 5. In a way the Muslim community has a property grabbing machine - which has Muslim tribunal, Muslim surveyors deciding litigations of if its a WAQF(Muslim) property or not? It is seriously a food for thought for other religions to understand how the Muslims are linking the property to Mughals and its ownership is now fixed(fullstop - ownership cannot be changed).
@@Jas-jf8kj How ??? Even they don't mention Tamil Nadu Wakf Board claimed a whole Hindu village including a 1500 years old temple in Tiruchirapalli district by the logic of Wakf by use only because a few people offer manaz in that village .
@@krishanuadityapandey4414 50 years before having 10,000 acres was normal for someone. If the titel owner donated to Waqf and someone has made mandirs prior to that donation too it doesn't count. So mandir need to be relocated...
It is an exceptionally informative article on what WAQF is and what exactly is the reason for a bill to introduced Thank you Wire / Kapil and such distinguished guests
You say that once land is given as wakaf to God, it’s a final decision. But what about the land given by Kerala Maharajas to temples or Devaswom boards? The government took those lands away during land reforms.
For that Govt is responsible, not Muslims. No one can use these lame arguments as an excuse to grab land dedicated to Muslims by their ancestors for God's sake.
second highest population enjoys several mega concessions in India which swear by SECULARISM. How come no other real minorities have been given such special attention? Parsee, Christians, Buddhist, Jains and so on. This very people had no qualms when Princes of India became part of INDIA under guidance of Vallabhbhai Patel. They were assured some special privy purses. Indira Gandhi went against this promise in a one sweeping rule. Congress party and this entire gang were silent. No one objected to this open tyranny. But for Waqt is different. Not only unconstitutional powers given but even their actions were ignored. WHY?
@@PramodGollapudiSo why do we have a waqf board in a secular country which is exempted from the legal court's litigation? Is this a land grabbing scheme ? Some people are beyond the constitution ? Have a proper argument instead of blabbering nonsense because you don't have a point.
This should be answered by collector and Government of India. It is their mistake ,when they demarcate land and survey the property they do mark it wrong. Understand the dialogue betweèn esteem guests.
The best quote I read on the Muslims of the Subcontinent: Muslims got separate accounts in Pakistan and Bangladesh, and a joint account in India. Now Muslims seem to be trying to make India a separate account too.
Prof Faizan atleast tried to cover some negative aspects in present Waqf law which the other two guests wanted to avoid. There is a definite case against purposeful land grabbing in existing Waqf law which need to be handled.
It is a one sided discussion. For regular people like us, the main issues are that 1. The tribunal makes the decision rather than the court, which would determine which property is waqf. Why? Also, those who are impacted are unable to appear in court. 2. Prior to independence and the Mughal era, there was no democratic system in place, and the majority of people lacked property and only the elite owned it. So why do we still adhere to anti-people laws after independence and the rule of law? For instance, it is clear that temples existed before these WAQFs, so how can they claim property that is a temple? Who will make the decision? The tribunal. 3. Using the same reasoning, tribal members owned all the land in the majority of areas; will they return it to them if they make a claim similar to WAQF? 4. Compared to the North, the influence of these WAQF was lower in the South. The militant waqf, however, is now claiming the properties of people who have lived there for centuries. Waqf's authority granted by the 1995 government must be modified.
@@georgek.george5058 hey old uncle your WhatsApp knowledge is laughable As a law student I want to clarify the tribunal issue if there is special case in large numbers should be specified as green tribunal or Family tribunal 2 nd one is tribunal judges will be from Judicial system 3rd if a few cases is corrupt than that is not meant everything is wrong
वक्फ सम्पत्ती और वक्फ बोर्ड क्या है, बुद्धिजीवी और कानूनी जानकारो द्वारा इतना क्लियर चर्चा के बाद अंधभक्तो को समझमे नही आया! अंधभक्त नाम ऐसा ही नही पड़ा!
.....because they already have enough space and backing of the entire media, which is anyways largely subservient to the powers that be I don't think one should mind or grudge those who are not getting heard at all, if they get a tiny little space somewhere to air their views
We will not allow to divide india to another Pakistan. Why you need land and what u need for ?? And most serious aspect its expanding rapidly. What if half india come under waqf property? This is dangerous mindset and need to have full stop in this .
वक्फ सम्पत्ती और वक्फ बोर्ड क्या है, बुद्धिजीवी और कानूनी जानकारो द्वारा इतना क्लियर चर्चा के बाद अंधभक्तो को समझमे नही आया! अंधभक्त नाम ऐसा ही नही पड़ा!
Presently I can see some 16,500 people are watching this wonderful program… will be a great achievement if even 50% out of this number are understood about the Waqf in question and such programs are to be conducted in every institution as an education/awareness.
As a life long student of finance and accounting, I present the following KNOT for well wishers of Wakf. A person donates a multi-storied building, thirty years old, with enough rental income for charitable purposes. The inflation rate is 5 percent a year. The tenants increase rent, each year. After thirty years, the building collapses, its estimated life being over. Question or KNOT is: How will Wakf rebuilt the building with estimated cost at Rs 5 crore. Even depreciation fund of existing value does not provide for inflation. The only property left is land; and it is not saleale; a condition of Wakf. Wakf will become paupers Regards
*Pure video main iss baat ka zikar tak nahi hua waqf board ne Tamil nadu main ek pura village jaha 1500 saal purana hindu mandir hain usper dawa kaise kia or Bihar main 7 village waqf ne claim kia wo kaise kia.*
Impressed with faizan mustafa suggestion, i am against wakf bill, but every property should have paper in modern india. Sometimes I heard, Govt allot kabristan , when already wakf have lot of land. 1500 year old twmple question could be part of this converstation !
@@pamtam1Why would hindus go To Nepal. Did Nepal partition from India in 1947 ? No. Muslims voted for Pakistan should go there. There is no Hindu board who grabs land in Pakistan. Why should we have a waqf board in a secular country? India mein land mafia giri bandh hoga
@@Dr.SyedSaifAbbasNaqvi 🤣😂 Who said anything about Hindus?🤣😂 The Muslims/Hindus who voted for Pakistan are there and the ones who voted for India are in India🤣😂
In karnataka farmers are protesting against allegedly land grabbing by WAQF board. In Tamilnadu 1500 hundred old village is said to be WAQF property. Waqf is claiming Delhi airport, parliament building.
Questions for people supporting this:- 1. The power to decide if property is Wakf or no has been transferred from board members to DM, how is this a bad thing? 2. Property donated by a legal muslim owner of the land to Wakf board makes sense but how can Wakf board claim properties owned by muslim rulers? Muslim rulers were not the owner of the land, did they buy the property? 3. All the muslim people complaining that Hindu temples should also get same treatment, I dont think you know how temples work in india. They already have governing bodies controlled by the govt. What argument is the panel trying to make? We have seen multiple cases where govt takes money from the temple funds to use it for development.
@@Dadasahab1234 Andhbhakt 80vs20 nafrat vale yha mat bhauke.. Godi Media/WhatsApp university pe kripya nafrat/jhooth failaye. Tum 2014 ke baad Khatre mein ho.
Can you tell me is it any useful for non muslims? Cause you show any proof that it has donated for any national calamities.. it will be ready to donate palestianins
The way land was distributed during land reforms, in the same way the huge land given by mediaeval kings and nawabs to waqf should also be distributed if needed for some other better purpose.
Comments- 1) waqfboard is government body. Members nominated by govt. Why govt should spend money to run the tribunal if country is secular 2) why land dispute be not settled by civil court which is easily approachable by common person 3) waqf board has been formed by government. Why like other law, it can not be modified if government requires the changes 4) changes in waqf board should not be treated as political.
Sibal Sir pl gv discussion video numbers 1, 2, 3 it is ezy to see video and thanks to wire and all members who participate in show of discussion our Bharat internal problem, ones again thanks to all of you, nice program
@@Gazab_explainerEvery religious site of Hindus is older than islam or Mohammad. What historical proof do you have ? Islam came from the desert in India. Not a single written proof of land. That's why legal court litigation is feared by Waqf. Claiming 1500 year old TN temple when Islam is 1400 year old. 😂😂😂 And what about the Hindus who left property in Pakistan during partition. Do Pakistan has a Hindu board who grabs land. Good that Hindus now know and Waqf will come under legal court's. Sab Vanda futega.
3:50 TOP POINTS TO CONSIDER: 1. Waqf properties, once endowed in the name of Allah, can't be taken back, gifted sold or transferred. Waqf comes from the root word 'WAQAFA' which means to confine or stop 2. The power of managing Waqf lands is being snatched from State Waqf Boards (statutory body) to District Collectors (executive body) who will obviously be biased for the entity who pays them salary. 3. It's the few Mutawallis, the responsible representatives appointed by Waqf Board for handling a section of Auqaf(plural of Waqf), who did corruption, sold the waqf lands to politicians, governments and bahubalis. For eg. One mutawalli sold land to Ambani to build Antilla. But this new bill makes NO REFORMS ON MUTAWALLIS which is quite surprising! 4. If the BJP government wants One Nation, One Law, then why have they been biased against Muslims via this new Waqf Bill 2024? Why not make the very changes in Hindu Endowment Acts too? 5. As per the new bill, the members constituted in Central Waqf Council and State Waqf Boards shall comprise Non-Muslims also, which is a complete violation of Article 26 of the constitution 6. Tamil Pandits were the first-comers who asked the British government to regulate their endowed lands, charities and donated assets to mitigate corruption. That's why the committees and boards who manage religious affairs have participation from the Government too. Once a judge stated that 'Giving money is a religious affair, using the money for the public is a secular affair so the government has the right to interfere.' 7. Waqf by User (Informal declaration of Waqf lands which is in usage for years for charitable and religious purposes) will be abolished. So such waqf lands without any paper work or deed will be GRABBED by the government. Wondering where you would find land paper for Jama Masjid? 8. The intention of this Waqf bill is to harass Muslims, and deviate the public attention from real issues
After Independence why was SULTANATE given WAKF act/Boards was not dismantled and a constitutional committee consisting of government officers and representation, was not constituted and the function of WAKF is not under the scrutiny of courts ...??? Congress was always for MUSLIMS welfare and against Hindus... The Congress party was not a party of all people but an extended MUSLIM LEAGUE...
Musalman already took separate homeland for themselves and so India should be only for non-musalman communities. This is why there should not be any Wakf Board in India.
@@krishanuadityapandey4414 Kaya app baat sakta ho ki jasa aaj bhi 100% hindus BJP ko vote nahi kar ta vaha se hi at the time of independence 100% Muslim want seperate land so this waqf is nothing do anything benefits to 99% Muslim only 1% Muslim whose are in board of waqf and there family members got benefits. So my country fellow citizens please remove your godi media hate rate gogels form your eyes.
@@mdimran4173 If Pakistan was made because of demand of Pakistan by 30% Musalman then India should be declared as Hindurashtra by the demand supported by 30% Hindus.👍
Thanks, Kapil ji, for bringing these experts into the discussion. Until now, I believed that Waqf functioned as a private governing body with discretionary powers. Learning about the involvement of government-nominated members and the extent of state intervention has been truly eye-opening.
A discussion must be well rounded..and for tht there should be a counter point presenter as well..wht is the point in having a one point- of- view discussion...only high point was tht of common law for All incl Muslims, Christians, Hindus all all others...
Waqf board should be scrapped Each and every inch of land should come under indian government.land should be used for each and every pure indian may be hindu,may be Muslim or Christian or others.lakhs and lakhs of acres of land of our ancient temples has come under Indian govt
It is a very one-sided discussion.... If the Waqf system is so good, then there would be no poor muslim in India ... It seems to be an issue of Asraphias and they are crying around... Pasmandas will remain unaffected by this bill
Regret to say I have been watching for the last 45 mins but as usual Mr Kapil Sibal circumvents the fears of the Hindu Community. This was an opportunity to clarify how 1500 acres of land in Tamil Nadu with a temple on it which was built before Islam landed on the shores of India ..or 123 Properties in Lutyens Delhi or prime land/built up properties in Surat and much much more can be claimed as Waqf Properties ? No body is objecting to anyone donating their personal property to the Waqf Board ....The panel says the Govt is trying to grab properties and the people at large feel the Waqf Board is trying to grab properties. This is the primary issue which should have been addressed. Also there was a lot of talk about tribunals etc. We are under the impression that the Waqf Act is a law unto itself and even the Supreme court cannot inter fear. Unfortunately Mr Sibals political leanings ensures that a bi partisan discussion cannot happen. .though full marks to Faizan Mustafa for some of his observations.
Mr. Sibal and his guests have a highly intellectual conversation every week and i really look forward to it with delight..
It's the ignorace of educated that hurts the most to the truthful events to shine
Waqf didn't start in 18th century, it's rhe part and partial of Sadqa, charity, startwd with the beginning of Islam in the beginning of 6th century. Waqf of lands, gardens of dates, grapes and fruits, digging and dedicating drinking water wells , etc. were common practices with the advent of Islam in Makka, now in Saudi Arabia.
If Mr Sibal is intelligent as you think he is, why is he not talking about reparation? Tell me what is my fault if I purchase a property from xyz by paying all governmental charges and living on that property for many years and spend my life earned money improving it and one fine morning Waqaf come up with a claim that it is their property, what will I? You want me to leave it and stay on the road?
In my opinion, if Muslims are sensible to people like me, they should rather declare me as the rightful owner of the property. This will make Waqaf and Muslims in my eyes real brothers who supports the other religious brothers in their affliction!
I hope this video reaches each and every person of India.
There is no need for Waqf provisions in a secular country....Govt should abolish this immediately...anyone who wants to donate land to masjid can do so in private capacity
Waqf is personal private hard earned money's property for your kind information.
Go ahead and abolish Hindu Endowment also, no place in a secular country, right?
We are indeed secular but not irreligious. Additionally Waqf property is not public land but donated by individuals for public use. Have you not learnt anything here? Strange. Furthermore use of Waqf property is not limited to religious use only.
@@thepacifier3603 then produce the related documents, lands were divided btn 2 countries and communities in 1947. People chose to live here. Don't ask here, ask pak to return your lands.
@@DrAsmaZehraseriously 😂😂😂… one report says minorities r living in utter poverty but at the same time waqf lands increased by 100s of times.. so they r just donating land and living in poverty.. have some shame
@@DrAsmaZehra Most of Wakf properties were grabbed from Hindus as Tamil Nadu Wakf Board claimed a whole Hindu village including a 1500 years old temple as Wakf Property.
वक्फ कानून में संशोधन के मुद्दे पर इतने विशिष्ट अतिथियों के साथ इस व्यापक परिचर्चा को आयोजित करने के लिए आपका शुक्रिया 'द वायर'...फारूकी साहेब ने सही कहा कि इस मामले में केंद्र की सरकार का मकसद वक्फ में सुधार करना न होकर सिर्फ राजनीतिक हितों की पूर्ति करना है...प्रो.फैजान सर ने मुद्दे की कई कानूनी बारीकियों का सराहनीय विश्लेषण किया है...👌👌👍🙏🙏🙏
Only Congress bhakts on the panel. 😅
Yeh,sibbal hamesha audhe muh girta hai phir b yeh bahut badi badi baat karta hai
Rahul bhakt 😂😂 @@Dadasahab1234
जब तेरा जमीन पर वक्फ क्लेम करेगा तब पता चलेगा तब तुम सुप्रीम कोर्ट भी नहीं जा सकता है क्योंकि इसका सुनवाई कोर्ट में नहीं होगा
And muslim bootlickers, Govt. should capture all so called waqf properties.
question: why was waqf property litigation ..not being judged by the legal courts?...the answer: zameen kaisey hadpengey...lol
Exactly.👍
Jahil ka koi ilaaj nahi hai....Jisne hamesha gulami ki hai wo waqt kya karega aur kya samjhega ...Tumlog ka dna gulam ka hai toh Jo tumhare Masters hai wo jo bolenge wahi maanoge..Agr wo ye bol de ke Tum asli baap koi aur hai wo bhi tum Khushi se Maan loge..
Bade gyani lg rhe ho 😂😂
@@theeagle4877Dusro ki zameen cheen ne walo ko nasehat nahi deni chahiye
Waqf property cannot possess anyone so there is no chance of litigation.
Thanks for this discussion. Learned about the principles and politics behind the Wakf issue. Knowledge erases prejudice!
Total discussion on WAQF seems to be confusing & misguiding,by the anti Sanatani,anti Hindus like Kapil Sibal. Had he not participated in the discussion,it would have reflected some other ideas,but his presence shows a conspicuous idea as he was repeatedly saying it has a political agenda behind it.But the Govt. has made it clear that the WAQF will be streamlined to bring in transparency in the functioning of the Muslim Community's betterment,for the purpose the WAQF was formed. The Congressis & INDI ALLIANCES will bring in problems for the WAQF ACT,for passing it in the Parliament & for its implementation,as I guess a rat's smell in Kapil Sibbal's readiness to fight in the SUPREME COURT on behalf of the WAQF BOARD .
One side argument. They should have Sai Deepak and Dr Ranganath for discussion
those are bjp trolls with zero facts and more propagandas
@@youngswamiThis channel is known for abusing Modiji only.
@@youngswami This discussion itself a propaganda. Bcoz there is one to counter the fact.
@@Siddik_47exmuslim sahil talk about!$lam....only...
@@Siddik_47they are hiding so many things...
I am extremely thank full to Mr.Kapil Sibal for arranging such discussions.
Except Mr.Faizan all others explained very clearly.
You can see a legal web series of Mr. Faizal Mustafa in detail
Because he spoke the truth 🤣🤣🤣
A Gem of four intellectuals.Superb debate.Thanks Respected Sibal sahab.
Wow. I am thrilled to see legends in one place .
These are not legends there are criminals . Kapil sibal🤮
It gives a lot of information and knowledge which will change my hatred mindset.
Any honest n rational person should take it this way only.
Bola jata ha brother na jaane ki wajah se dushmani hoti ha janne lagogi dushmani dosti mein badal jati ha ya hi aap k sath hova ha.
Listen
Otherside arguments too
Like paneet Singh
बहुत अहम जरुरी और बहुत अच्छी जानकारी देने वाला प्रोग्राम है जो देश और समाज के हित में भी है। बहुत बहुत धन्यवाद शुक्रिया
Great panel,very important informative discussion...Adore WIRE for your efforts ❤
Wow !!!!
Totally forgot about mention the fact that most of Wakf properties were grabbed from Hindus as Tamil Nadu Wakf Board claimed a whole Hindu village including a 1500 years old Hindu temple in Tiruchirapalli district.
Aa long as we have many Jai chandras in this country in the form of left liberal Congress alliance, you are having great time. Don't you feel highly unethical for all this land grabs. For balance ed perspective , Wire should have invited some one like Sai Deepak or Dr. Ranganathan or even Mr. Sudhanshu Trivedi or Mr. Vishnu Jain. But, Wire being Wire will not take that risk of getting exposed.
All pseudo seculars are in one place.. no invitee from other side…
Fun Facts :
1) The Ancient name of India is Hindustan, Meaning land of Muslims.
2) Prohet Muhammad was born in a City called Mecca, in Uttar Pradesh.
3) Muhgals actually civilized Hindus who did not even know how to read or write
4) Muslims have the First Right over Nation's Resources, According to Ex Congress PM - MM Singh
5) Allahu Akbar is Secular, Jai Shree Ram is Communal. So, land donated to Allah becomes Secular. WAQF is Secular !
1500 years old temple in Tamilnadu has been declared WAQF property, this is Tanasahi of WAQF
And these people are not about it. Only theory practically they are looting
Pay the rent. What's the issue?
Not declared, but CLAIMED.
HC/SC will decide the ownership & final possession, after long litigation & survey.
Godi Media/WhatsApp university is very dangerous.
@@gagan3440 Haha.... Claimed, or Declared doesn't make any difference... Claiming the temple area and an entire village itself is unacceptable; what's wrong in claiming Kashi & Mathura then ( other 40000 temples).... Let's go to that territory and the 1991 act can be amended, or completely squashed.
@@gagan3440 Stop this ur Godi media vs mine... The Wire itself is a Godi of Congress, and the Americans. After all it's owned by an American citizen, right?
What a discussion! am so impressed. It was very informative and useful to understand the intricacies of waqf properties, their use and problems in the proposed bill . It is so unfortunate that main media channels have completely stopped facilitating such discussions with intellectuals, experts and knowledgeable people to make masses understand and form informed views. Congratulations to the wire and Sibal sir for their efforts.
So @KapilSibal - I have a few questions:
1. Is the WAQF a parallel government?
2. So did India get Independence from British but not from WAQF?
3. Is there a parallel to WAQF for any other religion?
4. In which Court are the litigations decided?
5. In a way the Muslim community has a property grabbing machine - which has Muslim tribunal, Muslim surveyors deciding litigations of if its a WAQF(Muslim) property or not?
It is seriously a food for thought for other religions to understand how the Muslims are linking the property to Mughals and its ownership is now fixed(fullstop - ownership cannot be changed).
Very good pointers.
Congress messed-up with laws. Today we are facing the music.
Are you not understand what intellectual personality describes,in this discussion, they cleared all the misunderstandings,
@@Jas-jf8kj How ???
Even they don't mention Tamil Nadu Wakf Board claimed a whole Hindu village including a 1500 years old temple in Tiruchirapalli district by the logic of Wakf by use only because a few people offer manaz in that village .
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50 years before having 10,000 acres was normal for someone. If the titel owner donated to Waqf and someone has made mandirs prior to that donation too it doesn't count. So mandir need to be relocated...
The best speaker selected by sri senior learned advocate in the supreme court & cabinet minister.. It is good for the knowledge of the nations?????
Great,
I am Syed Sami Haider Zaidi from Gulbarga Karnataka India. Thanks to you all. Really it is eye opener for all Muslims.
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It is an exceptionally informative article on what WAQF is and what exactly is the reason for a bill to introduced
Thank you Wire / Kapil and such distinguished guests
Kapil Mian is more devoted to Islam and Islamic cause than the 3 moderate Muslim gentlemen put together.
You say that once land is given as wakaf to God, it’s a final decision. But what about the land given by Kerala Maharajas to temples or Devaswom boards? The government took those lands away during land reforms.
For that Govt is responsible, not Muslims. No one can use these lame arguments as an excuse to grab land dedicated to Muslims by their ancestors for God's sake.
second highest population enjoys several mega concessions in India which swear by SECULARISM. How come no other real minorities have been given such special attention? Parsee, Christians, Buddhist, Jains and so on. This very people had no qualms when Princes of India became part of INDIA under guidance of Vallabhbhai Patel. They were assured some special privy purses. Indira Gandhi went against this promise in a one sweeping rule. Congress party and this entire gang were silent. No one objected to this open tyranny. But for Waqt is different. Not only unconstitutional powers given but even their actions were ignored. WHY?
Can you please explain how WAQF can claim 1500 year old temple land in Tamil Nadu ????
Good question, this channel is not only anti Modi they are Pakka 💯 anti Hindus.
@@vvk594so can you explain the anti Kaurava sentiment? And who are the kouravas today? Do they exist?
Can Anyone tell who are Rakshas at present times?
@@PramodGollapudiSo why do we have a waqf board in a secular country which is exempted from the legal court's litigation? Is this a land grabbing scheme ? Some people are beyond the constitution ? Have a proper argument instead of blabbering nonsense because you don't have a point.
This should be answered by collector and Government of India. It is their mistake ,when they demarcate land and survey the property they do mark it wrong. Understand the dialogue betweèn esteem guests.
The best quote I read on the Muslims of the Subcontinent: Muslims got separate accounts in Pakistan and Bangladesh, and a joint account in India. Now Muslims seem to be trying to make India a separate account too.
Very knowledgeable video 👍👍👍
Mr Faizan Mustafa is very intellectual ❤
Great men assemble to clarify " Wakf".
Thank you❤ so much every one...very beautiful topic
Thank u so Mach your effort and Hindi language conversation
Prof Faizan atleast tried to cover some negative aspects in present Waqf law which the other two guests wanted to avoid. There is a definite case against purposeful land grabbing in existing Waqf law which need to be handled.
Excellent and informative
It is a one sided discussion. For regular people like us, the main issues are that 1. The tribunal makes the decision rather than the court, which would determine which property is waqf. Why? Also, those who are impacted are unable to appear in court. 2. Prior to independence and the Mughal era, there was no democratic system in place, and the majority of people lacked property and only the elite owned it. So why do we still adhere to anti-people laws after independence and the rule of law? For instance, it is clear that temples existed before these WAQFs, so how can they claim property that is a temple? Who will make the decision? The tribunal. 3. Using the same reasoning, tribal members owned all the land in the majority of areas; will they return it to them if they make a claim similar to WAQF? 4. Compared to the North, the influence of these WAQF was lower in the South. The militant waqf, however, is now claiming the properties of people who have lived there for centuries. Waqf's authority granted by the 1995 government must be modified.
@@georgek.george5058 hey old uncle your WhatsApp knowledge is laughable
As a law student I want to clarify the tribunal issue if there is special case in large numbers should be specified as green tribunal or Family tribunal
2 nd one is tribunal judges will be from Judicial system
3rd if a few cases is corrupt than that is not meant everything is wrong
वक्फ सम्पत्ती और वक्फ बोर्ड क्या है, बुद्धिजीवी और कानूनी जानकारो द्वारा इतना क्लियर चर्चा के बाद अंधभक्तो को समझमे नही आया!
अंधभक्त नाम ऐसा ही नही पड़ा!
Millions of respect goes to this program......
Why the discussion did not include anyone who supports the changes proposed? One sided discussion is actually propaganda.
Only because it is not any discussion but just program for spreading islamic propaganda.
.....because they already have enough space and backing of the entire media, which is anyways largely subservient to the powers that be
I don't think one should mind or grudge those who are not getting heard at all, if they get a tiny little space somewhere to air their views
Waqt should be abolished...and destroy.
Only the Original People will have the right to qome thing like waqt.
We will not allow to divide india to another Pakistan.
Why you need land and what u need for ?? And most serious aspect its expanding rapidly.
What if half india come under waqf property? This is dangerous mindset and need to have full stop in this .
Supreme Court judgement is coming soon on crime in reservation by Kapil Sibal in UPA
@@chunilalbaldaniya153 India do not belongs to father of judges of supreme court.
वक्फ सम्पत्ती और वक्फ बोर्ड क्या है, बुद्धिजीवी और कानूनी जानकारो द्वारा इतना क्लियर चर्चा के बाद अंधभक्तो को समझमे नही आया!
अंधभक्त नाम ऐसा ही नही पड़ा!
Presently I can see some 16,500 people are watching this wonderful program… will be a great achievement if even 50% out of this number are understood about the Waqf in question and such programs are to be conducted in every institution as an education/awareness.
So that you guys can keep grabbing Hindu lands like Mughals did to india.
कपिल जी आपने हमेशा देश विरोधी कार्य किया है और आपकी इस चर्चा से भी यही लगता है
As a life long student of finance and accounting, I present the following KNOT for well wishers of Wakf.
A person donates a multi-storied building, thirty years old, with enough rental income for charitable purposes.
The inflation rate is 5 percent a year. The tenants increase rent, each year.
After thirty years, the building collapses, its estimated life being over.
Question or KNOT is: How will Wakf rebuilt the building with estimated cost at Rs 5 crore. Even depreciation fund of existing value does not provide for inflation.
The only property left is land; and it is not saleale; a condition of Wakf.
Wakf will become paupers
Regards
Hindu can donate to Wakf but Hindus should not be members of Wakf Board !!!!!
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@@Gazab_explainer Lol
Waqf properties are donated by only Muslims, not a single inch land was from Hindu,
*Pure video main iss baat ka zikar tak nahi hua waqf board ne Tamil nadu main ek pura village jaha 1500 saal purana hindu mandir hain usper dawa kaise kia or Bihar main 7 village waqf ne claim kia wo kaise kia.*
Wire mein sach bolna haram hai.
@@samratroy7100 ye unke ajenda nhi he, bo tumhe bhi dikhana chahte he jo unko suit karta he
Mujhe document ka link de jiye
@@Ahbx1234 Google pe search Karo,.un villagers ka interview bhi he
Give the news link
An excellent awareness discussion! Thank you Mr. Kapil Sibal and other panel members for a very thought provoking and interesting discussion.
बहुत शानदार चर्चा हो रही थी ❤🎉
Kapil ji is doing very good job thank you sir 👍👍
Impressed with faizan mustafa suggestion, i am against wakf bill, but every property should have paper in modern india. Sometimes I heard, Govt allot kabristan , when already wakf have lot of land. 1500 year old twmple question could be part of this converstation !
The sad thing Ambanis 27 storey Ambani House in Mumbai is built on Waqf property land.
Whole world is waqf property
Pak is also waqf property go there
@@MarketWord😂Nepal is NOT a waqf property🤣 Go there
@@pamtam1Why would hindus go To Nepal. Did Nepal partition from India in 1947 ? No. Muslims voted for Pakistan should go there. There is no Hindu board who grabs land in Pakistan. Why should we have a waqf board in a secular country? India mein land mafia giri bandh hoga
@@Dr.SyedSaifAbbasNaqvi 🤣😂 Who said anything about Hindus?🤣😂 The Muslims/Hindus who voted for Pakistan are there and the ones who voted for India are in India🤣😂
In karnataka farmers are protesting against allegedly land grabbing by WAQF board. In Tamilnadu 1500 hundred old village is said to be WAQF property. Waqf is claiming Delhi airport, parliament building.
Thank u Sibbalji and all stalwarts to clarify the matter.
Wonderful session led by Sibbal Jee and actively contributed by 3 extraordinary guests .. highly knowledgeable
❤❤❤❤Excellent Explains Great (4) Best Members. Thanks 🙏
One Country, One Law. One Endowment Act for all.
Only for dirty politics.
Thank you The WIRE team for bringing the great stalwarts in one frame ❤
Questions for people supporting this:-
1. The power to decide if property is Wakf or no has been transferred from board members to DM, how is this a bad thing?
2. Property donated by a legal muslim owner of the land to Wakf board makes sense but how can Wakf board claim properties owned by muslim rulers? Muslim rulers were not the owner of the land, did they buy the property?
3. All the muslim people complaining that Hindu temples should also get same treatment, I dont think you know how temples work in india. They already have governing bodies controlled by the govt. What argument is the panel trying to make? We have seen multiple cases where govt takes money from the temple funds to use it for development.
What we see is The Liar, The Liar, The Liar, The Liar
Great discussion
An Awareness Video made by an intellectual with a panel of intellectuals in discussion ♥️♥️♥️
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None of them are known as intellectual. Known as Congress bhakt s only.
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Andhbhakt 80vs20 nafrat vale yha mat bhauke..
Godi Media/WhatsApp university pe kripya nafrat/jhooth failaye. Tum 2014 ke baad Khatre mein ho.
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Are madsachap
@@StudyGlobal-d1b
4th pass Raja Andhbhakt 😂
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Top Intellectual in one frame ,Healthy Discussion to easily understand
Great discussion. All four people are GREAT INTELLECTS.
Please continue these series... ❤
Hum Ap k tah DIL❤ se shukr guzar hai kapil sir ye information se 80% Indians nahi jante the WAQF ka Defination...
Can you tell me is it any useful for non muslims? Cause you show any proof that it has donated for any national calamities.. it will be ready to donate palestianins
Excellent discussion
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What about Tamil Nadu temple grabbing by Waqf.
The way land was distributed during land reforms, in the same way the huge land given by mediaeval kings and nawabs to waqf should also be distributed if needed for some other better purpose.
An interesting discussion, informative if you don't know anything about Waqf.
Very needed and welcoming discussion, thank you so much...
Comments- 1) waqfboard is government body. Members nominated by govt. Why govt should spend money to run the tribunal if country is secular
2) why land dispute be not settled by civil court which is easily approachable by common person
3) waqf board has been formed by government. Why like other law, it can not be modified if government requires the changes
4) changes in waqf board should not be treated as political.
Very good discussion and has actually revealed the malafied intentions of the Govt.
Sibal Sir pl gv discussion video numbers 1, 2, 3 it is ezy to see video and thanks to wire and all members who participate in show of discussion our Bharat internal problem, ones again thanks to all of you, nice program
Why no other religious board do not have equal rights as Wakf Board ????
Only for impose Islam on India.
Bro muslim have historic and proof if hindu have plz show
Not imposed before india the wakq existed , how it's imposed😂
@@Gazab_explainerEvery religious site of Hindus is older than islam or Mohammad. What historical proof do you have ? Islam came from the desert in India. Not a single written proof of land. That's why legal court litigation is feared by Waqf. Claiming 1500 year old TN temple when Islam is 1400 year old. 😂😂😂
And what about the Hindus who left property in Pakistan during partition. Do Pakistan has a Hindu board who grabs land. Good that Hindus now know and Waqf will come under legal court's. Sab Vanda futega.
3:50 TOP POINTS TO CONSIDER:
1. Waqf properties, once endowed in the name of Allah, can't be taken back, gifted sold or transferred. Waqf comes from the root word 'WAQAFA' which means to confine or stop
2. The power of managing Waqf lands is being snatched from State Waqf Boards (statutory body) to District Collectors (executive body) who will obviously be biased for the entity who pays them salary.
3. It's the few Mutawallis, the responsible representatives appointed by Waqf Board for handling a section of Auqaf(plural of Waqf), who did corruption, sold the waqf lands to politicians, governments and bahubalis. For eg. One mutawalli sold land to Ambani to build Antilla. But this new bill makes NO REFORMS ON MUTAWALLIS which is quite surprising!
4. If the BJP government wants One Nation, One Law, then why have they been biased against Muslims via this new Waqf Bill 2024? Why not make the very changes in Hindu Endowment Acts too?
5. As per the new bill, the members constituted in Central Waqf Council and State Waqf Boards shall comprise Non-Muslims also, which is a complete violation of Article 26 of the constitution
6. Tamil Pandits were the first-comers who asked the British government to regulate their endowed lands, charities and donated assets to mitigate corruption. That's why the committees and boards who manage religious affairs have participation from the Government too. Once a judge stated that 'Giving money is a religious affair, using the money for the public is a secular affair so the government has the right to interfere.'
7. Waqf by User (Informal declaration of Waqf lands which is in usage for years for charitable and religious purposes) will be abolished. So such waqf lands without any paper work or deed will be GRABBED by the government. Wondering where you would find land paper for Jama Masjid?
8. The intention of this Waqf bill is to harass Muslims, and deviate the public attention from real issues
Excellent discussion, Jai Hind
After Independence why was SULTANATE given WAKF act/Boards was not dismantled and a constitutional committee consisting of government officers and representation, was not constituted and the function of WAKF is not under the scrutiny of courts ...??? Congress was always for MUSLIMS welfare and against Hindus... The Congress party was not a party of all people but an extended MUSLIM LEAGUE...
Musalman already took separate homeland for themselves and so India should be only for non-musalman communities.
This is why there should not be any Wakf Board in India.
Bro go and read choosing pakistan as a nation for individual person was choice, so plz be knowledgeable not listen to only one side 😂
And listen 37:10 r is this , this is not against secularism 😂
@@krishanuadityapandey4414 Kaya app baat sakta ho ki jasa aaj bhi 100% hindus BJP ko vote nahi kar ta vaha se hi at the time of independence 100% Muslim want seperate land so this waqf is nothing do anything benefits to 99% Muslim only 1% Muslim whose are in board of waqf and there family members got benefits. So my country fellow citizens please remove your godi media hate rate gogels form your eyes.
@@mdimran4173 If Pakistan was made because of demand of Pakistan by 30% Musalman then India should be declared as Hindurashtra by the demand supported by 30% Hindus.👍
wow...another unsolicited joker-type gawaar-type whatsapp university opinion
pat yourself on your back for being such a shameful burden on society
As Wakf is essential for Islam similarly Hindurashtra is essential for Hinduism.
So India should be declared as Hindurashtra.
But India is a not property of hindutva only, it belongs to all.
WHY DO YOU THINK THAT HINDUIEM IS LIMITED TO INDIAN BORDOR WHY DO NOT FOR THE WHOLE WORLD AS ISLAM IS OFFERS IT VALUES TO WHOLE WORLD
@@Pathaan626 Pakistan is only for Muslim but India should be for all !!!!
What a beautiful double standards !!!!
@@nadeemalam4911 What values ???
Jihad, jizya tax, maal-e-ganimat !!!!
Hi
Sisal je ne good topic ko discuss Kiya......very good penile......🙏🙏🙏🙏🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🌸🌸🌸
Even before seeing, l know their line of argument.
Waqf me 75 sal me kya Kara uska bhi hisab hona chahiye . Muslims ko waqf se koi labh nahin waqf koi nigrani bhi nahin karta
Thanks, Kapil ji, for bringing these experts into the discussion. Until now, I believed that Waqf functioned as a private governing body with discretionary powers. Learning about the involvement of government-nominated members and the extent of state intervention has been truly eye-opening.
Nice discussion
Very gracefulmembers of the pannel
Tribunal members were all Muslims with common agenda.
बहोत बढिया विषय चर्चा मे लिया सर वेरी नाईस - सब सियसत का मसला है सियासत खेल .
This is wonderful information about knowing what is waqt board. The Waqt board means full stop.
Let them have a board for all Temple donations like Waqf, it will be much much bigger and richer than Waqf Board..
Whole hindustan is secret for hindus our god avatars steps in this land
There should be none. We are a secular country.
Beautiful discussion. I love the learning
Very nice conversation.., clearified mentally about rights and institution
A discussion must be well rounded..and for tht there should be a counter point presenter as well..wht is the point in having a one point- of- view discussion...only high point was tht of common law for All incl Muslims, Christians, Hindus all all others...
Waqf board should be scrapped
Each and every inch of land should come under indian government.land should be used for each and every pure indian may be hindu,may be Muslim or Christian or others.lakhs and lakhs of acres of land of our ancient temples has come under Indian govt
Informative and eye opener discussion...
Excellent discussion. Thank you Mr Sibal.
Sign up the petition against Waqf board legislation.
It is a very one-sided discussion.... If the Waqf system is so good, then there would be no poor muslim in India ... It seems to be an issue of Asraphias and they are crying around... Pasmandas will remain unaffected by this bill
Nice discussion ❤❤
Excellent discussion
Good news sir ji
All listeners shall stand indebted for this extremely informative discussion. The dirty tricks department of the Govt. & Media channels stand exposed.
Regret to say I have been watching for the last 45 mins but as usual Mr Kapil Sibal circumvents the fears of the Hindu Community. This was an opportunity to clarify how 1500 acres of land in Tamil Nadu with a temple on it which was built before Islam landed on the shores of India ..or 123 Properties in Lutyens Delhi or prime land/built up properties in Surat and much much more can be claimed as Waqf Properties ? No body is objecting to anyone donating their personal property to the Waqf Board ....The panel says the Govt is trying to grab properties and the people at large feel the Waqf Board is trying to grab properties. This is the primary issue which should have been addressed. Also there was a lot of talk about tribunals etc. We are under the impression that the Waqf Act is a law unto itself and even the Supreme court cannot inter fear. Unfortunately Mr Sibals political leanings ensures that a bi partisan discussion cannot happen. .though full marks to Faizan Mustafa for some of his observations.
Great Discussion. I came here especially to listen to Prof Mustafa.
Very interesting and informative discussion.
Aadha mulk partition mein khaa gaye, ab andar se khane ki saazish.