When Ancient History Gets POLITICIZED
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ค. 2024
- It's strange when events that happened thousands of years ago are brought into play during political fights in the modern world. But it happens. In this video, Dr. M discusses how and why.
CONTENTS
00:00 Introduction
05:24 Using Ancient History to Establish a Race or Ethnicity as Superior
15:37 Using Ancient History to Promote Ethnic Nationalism
24:21 Using Ancient History to Claim Land
36:16 Using Ancient History to Win the Culture War
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you intelligent person
i would like to know the true histry of palestine and jerusalem
as far as a iknow the original isrealites were the same people as the egyptians and we can see them in egyupt on the wall not todays egyptians obviously goto Garbb Aswan (ibbit al hawa) and you will meet the real egyptians (they are dravidains) ... .very simular to aborigionals ?
very strange but the original langueg is like a form of swahli as well !
Please enlighten every one about
1. Why Vedik Indians do not have R1b. The late entrants from Steppe also call themselves as Aryans but have 15% R1b
2. Why Vedik Indians are lactose intolerant completely
3. Why Saraswati is described in details when saraswati has stopped flowing 4000 BCE
4. Which is parent population of Vedik Aryans among various cultures.
You need to get on Rogan, would be easier 5 years ago, but even if you make good points talking to him, his giant audience will learn.
He's never had Kyle Kulinski or David Pakman in years though, not that your political, but facts and Rogan now are like nails on a chalkboard
I lost a relative in the Culture War. He stepped on a sourdough. They tried to save him but he was toast.
Oh, don't even *start* with him!!
People should identify more with their Activity Logs, and less with their Factory Specs.
what a fucking nerdy and beautiful sentiment
Absolutely!
on the average those two are directly correlated
@@steviechampagne So are ice cream and hot weather. Thing is you can’t choose to not have hot weather, whereas you can choose not to have ice cream.
@@Sophiedorian0535 absolutely, yet few people in arctic climate will go for the ice cream.
”You have not experienced Shakespeare until you have read him in the original Klingon.”
On Star Trek once, the question came up as to why Worf was so dark-skinned next to another Klingon nearby.
"I'm from the South." When he got a funny look, he glowered, saying, "Every planet has a South!"
I love how much they lampshaded the Klingon character evolution in Trials and Tribbulations. (The real answer being “they had half a shoe string budget and that TOS was 50 years ago”) and in DS9 Worf just says “we do not speak of it.” And everyone else just nods in awkward confusion
@@Kasamirawoke wasn't invented yet
@@brettmuir5679 …what?
@@Kasamira Pay him no mind. Some people need to bring in their political boggiemen into every conversaton.
Employing knowledge provided by history, "woke" appeared first around 100 years ago in black music about racist wolves in sheep's clothing in their midst: Beware. Be woke. And look today where "woke" became unacceptable: In the banning of books on black history in schools. It should send a shudder down intelligent spines to beat it back, as I believe awareness will.
The internets have taught me that ancient aliens fought dinosaurs and then became the first MMA fighters and also built a lot of ancient ruins with cool tools and stuff.
and the dinosaurs had lasers.
we are in the wrong timeline
Sounds legit.
@@Giantcrabz Any timeline without dinosaurs is the worst timeline.
You forgot about the giants… who are also mountains. And they all had clean energy and helicopters!
I’ve been researching Linear A, and the amount of nationalist quackery that gets unleashed on it is unreal. One of the most persuasive videos on TH-cam is from an actual professor who claims that Linear A is ancient Hungarian. It all sounds well thought out and completely plausible, if you’re not familiar with the field. As a result, he’s gotten a following. The truth is that although the professor isn’t at a Hungarian university, his argument is pure Hungarian nationalist nonsense.
wait...really? wow...
@@CB-vt3mx Ayup. It’s maddening.
From Crete to the Urals to Hungary. Those Onogurs sure get around.
Is this the Hungarian-American computational linguist at Madison, Wisconsin? He says Linear A is a Finno-Ugric language, and that Greek (as in Linear B) has a Finno-Ugric substrate. Sumerian was a hybrid Dravidian and Finno-Ugric language. I don't see what's so nationalist about what he says, other than the ability to spot Hungarian words. One of his students was working on the IVC seals. I was waiting for the IVC to be Finno-Ugric too.
@@faithlesshound5621 It’s Peter Revesz. In the video on YT, he makes it clear that it’s specifically linked with Old Hungarian.
Not all heroes wear capes. Thank you.
You couldn't have even possibly finished this video BY FAR when you posted this. Even as I post this - if I started watching it the second it dropped id still have 20 min to go.
@@JaggerbushIncredible work, Jaggerbush. Your investigations never come up empty.
@@Jaggerbush guilty as charged, but this isn't the first video of Dr M's that I find helpful.
Watched it all now, and hold my position.
A super-hero should NEVER wear a cape.
-- Edna Mode
@@Jaggerbushwoah, guys, watch out. We’ve got a real Sherlock Homeboy here
A cheery 'Hi!' to all the googledebunkers of the Minuteman tribe.
Greetings from a googledebunkering cell-tick!
I've been turned googledebonkers, I now hear milo's voice when I read googledebunkers in comments.
@@neoqwerty Same here. Haven't heard that word anywhere else. Now I've got an earworm.
Googly eyed gooblygoo.
Hi back to you as well~!
As a descendant of Charlemagne, I claim France, Belgium, parts of Netherlands and Germany as well as Italy.
Ha!
Descendents of Napoleon would like a word with you :)
I raise you the fact that I have ancestry from Ireland, Wales, Scotland, England, France, the Netherlands, Germany, Norway, Poland, Israel, Lenapehoking, Virginia, North Carolina & Nigeria. Top that off with the ancestors from Virginia & North Carolina once likely held a lot of land on the coast of Lake Erie & in northern Alabama at different points in history before this & the Lenape later held land in West Virginia & Ohio, I feel rather entitled to have my people's rather extensive empire back, sir.
"As one of 16 Million descendants of Genghis Khan, I rightfully claim all of Asia and Europa. You may serve as my loyal vassal in the West." - Me, who is most definitely an actual descendant of Genghis Khan, according to this dynastic record that my Chancellor -forged- researched and discovered.
@@williamchamberlain2263 He was probably an indirect descendant of Charlemagne too.
I read that book of scholarship to my frog, and now my frog's gay
The frog was always gay. It's just now he has a frame of reference.
Dang! The history is making the freaking frogs gay?!?!?!!!
@@cedaremberr Science helps prove history so... "Let's Make Science History"!
(See Rob Newman's "The History of the World Backwards" for details...)
It seems like the alt history and ancient alien crowd don't understand the culture they are talking about. A good example is the tomb of King Pacal of Palenque. They say it shows an 'astronaut' flying a craft and ignore how all the elements figure into Mayan belief and art.
understanding the culture is irrelevant to their purposes
More critically they don't see that they themselves are part of a culture in that there's an origin to the points they discuss rather than a truth which exists in a vacuum.
They're so high on the belief of discovering their own genius that they'd rather believe to be misunderstood than to acknowledge facts (as observable evidence).
From their perspective, all that information about Mayan belief and art comes from academic experts who are all a bunch of liars, and only they, the conspiracy theorist, is telling the truth. No need to read thousands of books and articles once you've decided they're full of lies, feel free to turn off your brain and enjoy the smugness of believing you are always right.
Mostly because, as the video details, alt history is about supporting one's own political agenda, not uncovering the truth. It's confirmation bias in action.
@@NewNecro Kind of like how they don’t realize or refuse to believe that their beliefs/theories originate from white supremacist thinking and ideals.
You should film yourself wandering around Foerster"s house whilst exclaiming loudly how the people that live here now were far too primitive to have ever constructed such complexity. And how it must have been some superior immigrants ! ❤
Israel: we were here thousands of years ago
Non-native americans: uh oh
Thanks for pointing that out. Although, most Natives don't want to drive anyone out or anything like that.
And THIS is why left wing Americans target Israel: it's easier than moving out of their own homes & returning it to the First Nations.
@@MikeGraceJediDad Neither did israel. If nothing else, the 40% of locals who remained 7 were welcomes into israel would prove that.
@@nebulan went straight to the comments in the "politicized history" video and the 3rd comment in was history-free snark about Jews. (Excuse me, I only mean the 9 million "Zionists" and the Jews worldwide who like Israel. Not saying that's antisemitic or anything).
@@SafetySpooonis a lying genocider.
For real history read Ben Gurion, Einstein and Arendt.
WWII Nazis were obsessed with the Germanic warlords of the past.. from Hermann/Arminius to Theodoric to Friedrich Barbarrosa. It didn't end well for the Nazis.
They lost because they were obsessed with past Germans or because of a 20 v 1?
The nazis lost because the allies overwhelmed them and they lost their attempt at global dominance. Also of note, there were issues internally, because it turns out command economies are awful.
Try explaining that to today's MAGAt party.
Maybe a comparison chart of shared beliefs would help.
The nazis lost because they underestimated the Russians. Now what have we learned from history? As per usual, very little.
@@ninthheretic2498the Nazis were high on their own propaganda that they were the master race. All other peoples were degenerate. That’s why they underestimated the Russians. Plus they got really poor lol
Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it. Those who do know history are determined to change it!
I claim the Sumerians as my people.
Because they were Human
Only because the Anunnaki built them that way!
Who hasn't tried beer through a straw! They were wise people for sure.
"I am a memetic descendent of the summerians because i carry the culture(i.e. civilisation)."
@@alexandrub8786 but the marsh arabs carry their dna.
Based
Good work Dr. M. You have been a great spokesperson for the practice of examining evidence and moderating conclusions based upon what can be reasonably drawn from it. Your insight into the many ways our knowledge of the ancient past can be impacted, altered, and distorted by those who endeavor to propound a given historical narrative in promotion of an ideological agenda is legitimate and valuable, in my opinion.
The fact that you present with such rigor and enthusiasm for the topics you cover while honoring the mainstream historical method, and your debunking of heavy hitters in the LAHT throng has made you a natural target of certain taxa of alt-theorists. In my view you acquit yourself admirably whilst addressing and responding to critics.
Whew, this video is way overdue 👏👏👏 Youre the only adult in the room on this issue.
As someone born in Aryavart, right on the banks of Saraswati*, right beside IVC ruins, and a seeker of truth I would like to apologise on behalf of my fellow countrymen and their manners, biases and ignorance.
I would also like to thank you for your educational content that has helped me change the mind of a few people I know, an accomplishment I hope you are proud of.
*sarcasm
*modern day Puadh region of Punjab & Haryana in India, Saraswati is supposedly the river Ghagar Hakra although we always just called it '[locality name]'s stream' ([locality name] ka nala).
You’re the goat
you don't have to apologize for a nation. thank you for your comment
Though whatever the truth maybe about our ancestors people often forget why these outlandish things are spread by each side
Left wing - India is not a country and every identity is fighting each other is not that good for the future of nation
Right Wing - India is a nation from the beginning and should remain so for eternity is kind of good for the future of the nation
Yes , both have problems, left willingly or unwillingly destroying the native faiths
Right is hell bent on destroying foreign faith .
On that note ,please don't be apologetic for stupid people all around us . Because shouldn't't they need to learn about it.
Maybe apologise for left wing Marxists in india that profusely lied about history and suppressed evidence which resulted in the right wing retaliation
Have you heard of the Heggarty et al paper from last year about the hybrid model of Indo-European languages. It suggests that the Indo-Iranic branch could have been around the Indus valley by 5000 years ago, and makes sense of the language distribution, some of the genetic evidence, and the Anatolian languages, among other features. I found it interesting. I'd previously been convinced of a Pontic steppe origin for the IE languages but this paper made reconsider. I think there may be some conflicts with the archaerology though, but I'm not well-informed enough to evaluate those
Thanks for making this video. We have a Greek friend who always says "Everything is Greek!" like the dad from My Big Fat Greek Wedding. We all joke with him and say every random thing is "Greek" : Aztec pyramids, Maple syrup, Playstation console, etc. It's all in good fun.
There was a british comedy show back in the 1990s called *Goodness Gracious Me*
One of the recurring characters was Mr "Everything Comes From India" - you can probably guess the rest from there haha
You can find some of the bits on youtube.
- Leonardo Da Vinci Was Indian
- Jesus was Indian
It is good to be proud of one's heritage. But not to think that people who do not share that heritage are somehow inferior.
@@TheEvertw agreed.
Until you suggest ancient Macedon wasn't...
@@claudiaxander which is hilarious as the Classical Greeks seem to have expressed the view that the Macedonians where not quite proper Greeks, but not full on barbarians until after the conquest of Greece by them
Regarding your last argument about your aside, I came into the discussion fully on the side of the commenters; but due to your clear explanation, I can absolutely see where I was previously in error. Thank you!
When it comes to the hindutva movement the key phrase in it is “consider the Indian subcontinent as their father land AND HOLY LAND”. This by default excludes not only ethnic foreigners but also Hindi and other indigenous people to the Indian subcontinent who adhere to islam and Christianity. It’s impossible for any Abrahamic adherent to consider anywhere other than the Levant and it’s immediate surroundings to be holy land. It is a convenient criteria not only to root out ethnic minorities but religious minorities as well.
Importantly, their definition roots out the indigenous people of the country, who have been relegated to the hills and the backwaters of society, while in our democratic age their population numbers have been appropriated as Hindus, despite their historic exclusion from Hindu sites and ceremonies.
@@faithlesshound5621These hindu right wings are dumbest people
About the culture war and politics. It reminds me of climate change, and how so many reject the science for politics.
What about those that reject the science and use the dogmatic for politics?
Social media is a bit like the local pub . Those who shout the loudest and act as if they know what they'r talking about get a lot of attention. Most don't bother contradicting the loudmouths . The few who take the time to debunk their nonsense , get drawn into an exhausting exchange .
Plus: social media promotes controversy.
Agreed, this is a great analogy.
I would not, and I don't know anybody who would talk to someone who is shouting in a bar.
If they are shouting anything starting with "my ancestry..." I would promptly leave the bar.
@@98Zai lol.yep
Just showing my appreciation for talking about a difficult & divisive topic ❤
Thank you!
balkaners citing medieval battles and historic migration patterns to win nationalist debates against their neighbors
I remember my grandmother telling me, "I don't care what they teach you in school. The World of Antiquity TH-cam channel was researched and presented by Prof. Graham Hancock PhD."
Hancock is a quack.
I love your "guilt and glory" example. I've always felt people's pride for what their distant distant relatives did as odd.
So many are still trying to settle their ancestor's grievances
Which is what all that “sins of the father” stuff is really about. It’s an admonition, a maxim even, to leave the past in the past.
@@StoneInMySandal- The sins of the father are visited upon descendants to the fourth generation. Because YHWH is a vindictive jerk.
I don't often comment in your videos as I don't have much of value to add to the conversation most of the time, but I might as well take this opportunity to express how lucky I feel to have a real academic history teacher put out this amazing scholarly content for us to learn and enjoy :) it's a shame videos like this are necessary, but I give you kudos for having the bravery to say it, because it needs to be said, and I congratulate you and admire you for the eloquency and troughrouness you were able to convey these ideas.
Very brave of you to tackle this topic. I enjoyed this video and thank you for making it.
Bravo Professor Miano! As a fellow teacher, I never allowed my personal beliefs to affect my teaching. However, while I invited questions and suggested alternatives I always required factual evidence from respectable sources using the scientific method. In a class about ancient structures, I played video of divers surveying the Yonaguni structure and invited the students to discuss the pros and cons of it being man-made or natural. In the end when all of them demanded that I give them "the Answer" I said, "I don't know for sure. There is evidence for both sides, the evidence is equally compelling/uncompelling, so I have to keep an open mind until overwhelming scientific evidence can be offered."
Thanks for another extremely interesting video. I look forward to all of your very educational videos.
Fantastic video and I fully support the thesis about the dangers of allowing politics to dictate history. I wanted to comment to commend your rhetoric in this video. It’s really difficult to argue about political subjects without seeming to come down on one side and attacking the other , even if very implicitly, and I thought you did a really good job disarming the common attacks leveled at academics from detractors on both sides while still showing sympathy.
there's nothing wrong with picking a side. Do you need to have an "unbiased" opinion on whether the Holocaust was bad?
@@Giantcrabz If I compare what is happening in the Gaza Ghetto today and what happened in the Warsaw Ghetto almost a century ago, being evenhanded would be called prejudiced and antisemitism. If I quote both Hillel the Elder, "What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow: this is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn." and Mohammad in the Kitab Al-Kafiy, "As you would have people do to you, do to them; and what you dislike to be done to you, don't do to them." Then both sides will be angry and both will ignore the content.
@@Giantcrabz- Not all topics need a 'side', and for history, what we want is accuracy and truth. Six million Jews, and some four million others, were murdered by the Nazis. But if we approach it with a simplistic 'Good v Evil' mindset, we won't understand how and why it happened.
You're a brave man. Keep up the good work.
“So Much Has Happened Since Then” is a fantastic slogan for history in general.
Excellent presentation David! Thank you for such honest work & professionalism on this subject. I appreciate the evidence based conclusions!
I love all of your videos, but from my perspective this is the best video you have ever made. In fact, this is honestly one of my favourite videos ever, and I have now shared it with everyone I can possibly think of because I believe it is that important. Appropriating ancient history seems to be a growing trend amongst many groups. This video calls this trend out in the best way! I hope you follow up this video with others that address this same problem. Thank you!
I was thoroughly offended that this video didn’t offend me!!! I went into this video assuming I’d be offended! You took the time to offend a lot of other people, but neglected to offend me!
Also please make that Levant video. Would love to learn about historical accuracy of the story of Passover, not the plagues part but Jewish people being enslaved in Egypt
I'm offended that your comment made me laugh! You should have offended me!
I would suggest History with Cy who has done quite a bit about the ancient Levant/Palestine its history & peoples
congratulations! you found a zionist "historian" to back you up
@@evilgingerminiatures5820History with Cy is a great history channel
Great video, thoroughly enjoyed it and will excitedly await your future discussions on other political topics
Very interesting and well put together video, as usual. I really just wanted to comment on the beautiful warm lighting on display; 'tis a very pleasant change of pace to the rather cool, LED look most of the other TH-camrs I watch prescribe to for their videos.
I am amazed at how well said this whole video was
Thank you for untangling so many knots! Thank you for your clear words! Your extraordinary diligence is greatly appreciated!
Love your video. I think it is very important people are reminded that politics has no business in investigating history, and using it to validate their belief system. History needs to be looked at objectively, and presented factually.
It amazes me to still hear politician's using language that could have been lifted right out of Thucydides to describe current events, and to justify policy decisions.
As an Israeli who always believed in both the right of Jews on the land and the right of Palestinians for statehood - exactly because, like you say, 'so much has happened since then' -
I really do appreciate the professionalism and unbiased approach you took in addressing the usage of ancient history (fabricated or real) in this conflict.
I knew I was right to subscribe to this channel... 🙂
And the right of Palestinians on the land and the right of Israelis for statehood.
Israelis have no right to statehood.
All we have is the here and now and we should think in those terms alone therefore it's my opinion that those Palestinians who have never known Palestine should be given status in the place they happen to be and where appropriate compensated too
Within Israel/Palestine itself civil rule should be extended across the Green Line and the barriers removed
This is one of your best videos, I really enjoyed how you discussed the relevant topics.
Israeli Archaeology graduate here.
I appreciate the sober treatment of such a touchy subject. I would like to comment though, in regards to Israeli Archaeologists trying to use archaeology for justification of our self determination on this land; While it's certainly true, especially in regards to the older generation of archaeologist (probably our greatest being an IDF Chief of Staff), the current generation, especially in my alma mater in Tel Aviv, painstakingly works to divorce this legacy from the pure study of archaeology, a lot of progress has been made in the field thanks to dropping both national agendas and Holy Scripture from the archaeologist's tool kit.
I would also like to refer to a book written recently by one of the faculty members on this subject: Archaeology, Nation, and Race: Confronting the Past, Decolonizing the Future in Greece and Israel, by Raphael Greenberg and Yannis Hamilakis.
"Sober treatment" -- I doubt if I'm the only one that stared at the angry raving figure in the thumbnail for a long while wondering if I was looking at the right channel after all...
Decolonization is always bloody and was always meant to be. Be mindful of the words you use and where they came from.
The lack of foresight that I see within the people pushing for it is deeply disturbing.
Just be sure that you are ok with the tradeoffs.
There is no such thing as problem solving.
There are only tradeoffs.
Be careful what you wish for and be mindful of what you promote.
International law is a fairly recent phenomenon.
It was noble to try to stabilize the world with fixed borders, but I don’t see it lasting, unfortunately.
Outside of the West no one cares about a free press, individual rights, or free speech.
As the West collapses due to “decolonization” the world will get very dark.
Of course we won’t hear about the atrocities happening all over because no one cares about what happens to anyone if the perpetrator is not white or can at least be blamed.
It took me along time to realize this, but it’s unmistakable at this point.
I read a discussion between two Israeli archaeologists, one of whom insisted on a nationalist vision and the other on a civic vision of the state of Israel. An interesting dispute. And while the nationalist stance may have served ethno-nationalism, the "civic" approach was already fair and objective.
@@acaydia2982”free press, individual rights, free speech”? Nobody hates it more than western elites who are making sure to destroy all of those in their countries to have some kind of neofeudalism. Also: why would decolonized countries would care about them while colonized they didn’t got them? I guess you have walked the earth and just know that your i existent “enlightenment” fantasy is just the best for everybody else…
You are a first for me in this platform: a colonial bot. Go figure.
It’s so much more than that.
Every middle eastern ethnic and religious minority know what colonization and oppression is.
Especially when it’s about arabization an Islamization. And we are all used to the fake stories of Arabs and Muslims but it’s interesting how the left spreads their delusions as well.
It’s insanity.
Lying and denying the oppression and genocides committed over centuries till even now. And creating this fairytale in which we all supposedly lived peacefully together.🤣
Outstanding! Thank you, Professor Miano!
This is such an important video! Great content as always.
Extremely well written video. Thank you ❤
Referring to Foerster as a visiting foreigner might have taken the "edge" off :D
Very good video, as usual :)
Exactly! all I can think is if I was asked to read the script over, I would have said the same thing, or to use the analogy that he used in this video "maybe it's not good to go over and offer those kids candy from an optics standpoint"
You never cease to amaze me! Love your channel and love to learn from your videos. Keep up the great work.
Absolutely fantastic video, one of the best you've made
14:30 "I don't believe we inherit the glory, or the guilt of our ancient ancestors."
I share this mindset, even up to just a few generations ago. They can inspire you if you want, but you can never own them.
They would not recognize me as a relative, and I would not recognize anything about their lives. It is too far away to share the glory or the guilt.
This was a fantastic, very informative video! Thank you for making it!
This made my day. What a brilliant editorial. David, do you work off an outline or pre-scripted prep? I ask because your delivery and articulation is so natural and engaging, almost melodic! If you are using a prompt, it’s completely unnoticeable. If this is all off the top of your head then I am doubly impressed. Your camera eye contact is better than Hollywood actors! This content is top notch and stimulating and so WISE! Thanks for your time and passion you put into this and keep up the good work.
I wrote it first, and I read it off a teleprompter.
@@WorldofAntiquity Your teleprompter works better than the Florida man's, which keeps leading his electric boat into shark-infested waters.
@@faithlesshound5621teleprompters only help if you actually stick to reading off them
12:44 just so we're on the same page here.... not everyone who finds the Indo-European migrations interesting is a stormfront fascist..... There is some fascinating history there. And those migrations definitely happened, and there was a replacement in Northern Europe. It's so similar to what happened to the Americas (replacement in North, intermarriage in the more populous and advanced regions of Meso-america), it begs the question: was disease involved? but I digress... not everyone who finds this stuff interesting is a fascist, and we shouldn't give the field to fascists.
Most history books say the Nazis falsely claim to descend from the Aryans, but Aryans were a part the steppe migration into Europe.
Yes a small group of people definitely managed to mix up the majority. Logically impossible.
Federico Navarrete, Historian, Anthropologist UNAM. Between 1821 and 1910: 3.5 million Indigenous people were categorized as Mestizo. •By the time the Mexican census of 1930 took place: 30% of the entire Mexican population who has been categorized as Indigenous, was now categorized as “Mestizo.” Historians argue that this was also done to repress “Casta Wars” and erase the power of the Indigenous population. The white elites feared that they would lose power. •Mestizaje was not a racial reality but rather a “massive linguistic displacement.” Indigenous people were whiten through language and culture markers, not racial.
I loved this. Thank you! Couldn’t agree more.
11:49 The irony, as Turkic peoples didn’t migrate into Anatolia until centuries later.
I read the entire history of summeria in the Robert E Howard encyclopedia set.
Kull and Conan had a hard life before becoming kings.
They pre-date Sumeria. Kull pre-dates Conan.
Commenting for the algorithm.. love your show, you're awesome
Keep up the exceptional work, Dr Miano! 👏
I admire your bravery for tackling such questions, very nicely thought out.
As an Assyrian, I was always told that Sumerians were our ancestors, am I wrong in thinking this?
I have no idea, but you're awesome either way❤.
I would assume at least distantly the Akkadian peoples from north of the Sumerian cities, the Ancient Assyrians where an Akkadian people
Sumerians were the ancestors of everyone in the world. So were the Assyrians, because they are that far back in history that members of that ancient community would have moved around and mixed with other communities and over time everyone would have at least some ancestry that traces to the ancient Assyrian and Sumerian communities. That's what this video is about. It's impossible to remain an isolated community for a generation, let alone many generations. The fact that people hide behind these claims is evidence of individual and community laziness and lack of achievements.
It really boils down to what you mean by "our ancestors".
Assyrian identity itself is an evolution of the Northern subgroup of Akkadians, which was highly influenced by Sumerians who lived in the South of Mesopotamia. Its ethno-genesis mostly occurred in the Late Bronze Age and there is certainly a Sumerian component in your people's genetics and culture. But you must always keep in mind three very important things :
1- You aren't just descended from Sumerians and Akkadians, you are also descended from Arameans, Israelites, Armenians, Arabs and various other peoples who faded from memory, all of whom migrated or were deported (by the Neo-Assyrians) to the region from which you originate. Those groups themselves aren't any less mixed than you are as well and if you look at them you will also find a complex mosaic in terms of genetics and culture.
2- You aren't the sole inheritor of Sumerians as almost everyone in the region can trace at least some ancestry to them and were greatly influenced by them historically speaking. In other words, your claim should not be regarded as exclusive to your people group.
3- You should be aware that Assyrian identity was never static, and "what it means to be Assyrian" changed over history. There is undeniable continuity between Ancient and Modern Assyrians, but the Assyria of Old would be alien to you, as they would be speaking a different language (Akkadian vs Neo-Aramaic), following a very different religion (Mesopotamian polytheism vs Christianity) with a very different culture, traditional dress and set of practices.
In conclusion, be proud of who you are and being part of the legacy of Ancient Sumeria, but be weary of 1- thinking that's the only component of your ancestry or culture that matters 2- thinking you hold exclusive right to their legacy and 3- thinking your identity is frozen in time, otherwise you will fall into dangerous and pseudo-historical notions of who you are.
Much love to Assyrians from a Tunisian Arab ❤
They are different peoples, speaking different languages. Yes, cultural heritage can be debated, but as a modern human being, you are probably heir to Sumer in the same measure as any of us -- it is a component of our civilization (because it inherits from Rome, from Greece, from Persia, from Babylonia, from Assyria, from Egypt, from Akkad, from Sumer, as well as from barbarian peoples). In terms of genetics, you probably have more in common with the Sumerians than I do, but you're not a direct heir either -- maybe someone in Iraq?
I was waiting for a video like this. Thank you
You have opened a Pandora’s box though.
Pandora had a jar, not a box.
@@williamwilson6499 did the jar contain wine ?
@@williamwilson6499🤓
Your channel is the legit best thing to come into my life lmao. Thanks so much!
Thank you for this & I hope it makes people think
A friend of mine from Gaza is from a family that claims decent from the very first Christians in the region, certainly their church is 1600 years old.
The origins of the Palestinians are a mixture of ancient Canaanites, Jews who were just one subset of Canaanites, Philistines and other ancient immigrants, followed by medieval Arabs and more immigrants, and so on. Until recent times Mizrahi Jews living there were also considered Palestinian and many now seek to reclaim that identity..
Palestine has been a melting pot for millenia and for anyone to seek to claim it on the basis of a narrow set of genetic markers is ridiculous. The only relevant criteria is international law and human rights.
Are they the Christians that are now called the "standing stones"?
Are they the Christians that are called "the standing stones"?
Perfectly said.
It seems that Arab colonization was limited due to the fact there weren't many of them which is bourne out though modern DNA analysis
Also there is actually zero evidence to prove the Romans wanted to clear out the Jews anymore than any other rebellious province
Another incredible riveting video Doc, I had the feeling from the outset this would be outstanding and I wasn't disappointed, the only problem I have is I lay down on the couch and didn't move for 53 minutes and now I have a bad back😂
Sorry about that.
@@WorldofAntiquity I love your work! There is this channel, Asha Logos, that is spreading fake history and basically no no German ideology with it. I think you should check him out a bit. He claimed the scythians and the dorians where blue eyed and blond hair germans...Also there is this english channel that sometimes brings right wingers to his channel, Survive the Jire, who also made a video about the aryan invasion in India and where depicted as white blond people.
Doc, you rock! Thank you for a well thought out video. Keep up the good work. ❤
This is an excellent and much-needed analysis! Great work!
Something I didn't know when I first arrived in the DC area, that after 30 years having my face rubbed in it daily I was forced to admit is true, is that to the political mentality, every aspect of life is potentially political. The more psychopathic the political mentality becomes, the more aspects of life are politicized, particularly with regard to the established sciences or any other settled fact. It has been said that DC is among the most beautiful cities in the world, to which I would add that it's never more beautiful as when viewed in the rear view mirror. I left 20 years ago hoping to escape it all, only to find that it's once again in my face all the time through the news outlets and social media.
Everything is political. Especially any kind of "identity politics". The only time you can pretend it isn't, is when your version is the dominant default.
The internet has grown into silos and echo chambers. Ideology is rewarded with more sharing and views the more strident it is. This is leading to anarchy on a global scale.
@jeffmacdonald9863
When you think everything relates to politics in some way, sure everything is political. But it doesn't have to be.
Things like hobbies can pass on or muse on political subjects but you don't have to compare it to the real world all the time. Sometimes it is okay to let the universe you are looking at have its own isolated politics.
"Everything is political" is just a phrase parties use to strongarm or guilt your support. No matter the side, they do it. From how conservatives use the bible to teach "conservative lessons" all the way to pride flags being the literal definition of political symbols. People must break free of the great lie that everything you day or don't say supports something.
@@Drako9823 How do you avoid it? Even with your hobbies. Plenty of hobbies see fights over inclusion or representation. Excluding people based on identity isn't non-political.
what is the politics of an anime girl eating a burger? Yeah thought so.
That's why I never say "We won!" when any athlete or team representing my country wins, because since I wasn't personally taking part in the competition, I have no reason to brag and take credit for their accomplishment.
Can't say the same, about(minority)
I believe this is the objectively correct attitude to have here. We are all only responsible for our own personal acctions.
Most nations are far too big to have much sense of community or shared experience. I definitely say "we won" when either university I attended wins an athletic event because of the sense of shared experience I have with everyone else who attended those institutions, and especially since so much of the shared student identity centers around sports. The community won, and that's true for every member of the community whether their role was/is competing on the field or cheering the players on from the stands.
Factually untrue,because we live in a society.
Chances are you are a taxpayer, chances are that your taxes help build infrastructure like public pools, chances are that people who like to swim there would be more likely to join a competition against nation that have lower ability to collect taxes ans build infrastructure thus making your national have an inherent a advantage over a nationak that doesn't have a country capable of better/equal tax xollecting and/or infrastructure building.
For exemple of the national that loses: th-cam.com/video/7dV7TqY_kbg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=mJwG5GYQ5ncENOBO
@@vampiricagorist6979define "personal action"
I like what you said about other areas of history being kind of filled in more recently. When I studied history in college (4 schools over a decade and a half to get my BA), my professors wanted to make sure I could do research at lower levels. Upper level stuff was trying to get you interested in more niche topics because that's what you're doing as you move up the academic ladder. In my upper level courses, It was hard to get an A for a paper on a topic they've seen every semester since they became a graduate assistant unless it's written really well. It's like that feeling some folks get about Superhero Movies but Battles or Generals in History. As you said certain topics are underresearched and therefore it's easier to get recognition for your research when you cover less tread ground. I feel bad for anyone doing groundbreaking research and has to deal with all the culture war stuff.
Stellar video Doc, keep up the good work!
Appreciate the knowledge outline to organize my thoughts.
Although I cringe with fellow Greeks who make ridiculous claims about ancient Greeks and how much the ancient Greek civilization contributed to modern world, the study you mentioned about the ancestry of bronze age and modern Greeks is significant in my opinion because it counters Falmerayer's theory that modern Greeks have no connection whatsoever to ancient Greeks which oppinion is ridiculous and likewise politically motivated
I don't know what you are talking about. The Sumerians were clearly Serbian 🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸
Great video btw
A very good video as usual! Well done
Love it. Thanks for the video.
"The concept of nationalism is western and colonialist"
I think Japan, Korea, China and many others would take great exception to this assertion.
Japan: Maiji restautation and all the western imports including the prussian style army show that an aim of japan was to become part of the West
China: are you going to say that marxism isn't western/european because China was ruled by communism since the 40'?
Korea: pretty sure that they had their own attempt at their own "Maji restoration" before being conquered, also foreign occupation that brings in foreign ideas haz the twndency to bring in foreign ideas post war,what a surprise
Also yeah,nationalism is jjst a higher level tribalism.
The same way speciism/human supremacy will be a higher level nationalism when/if we meet "celestial abominations" (i.e. aliens)
You interpreted my sentence to say “Colonialism and imperialism is western.”
To be fair, Japan's idea of "nationalism" came from the West. Natsume Soseki is directly inspired by the writings of Rudyard Kipling when he penned his idea of a singular pure "Yamato race" that has, is ,and will rule all over the islands and beyond...
@@AdolphusEudora Weren't they isolationists for a greater part of history, making them one of the very few truly homogenous nation-states!?
As someone staunchly on the Left, the Cleopatra, Netflix special is a joke, Netflix docs on Ancient history is questionable, though their recent history, pretty good. Love your work Dr Miano, this is the 180 to the bullshit on YT, cheers from Buffalo.
You couldn't have even possibly finished this video BY FAR when you posted this. Even as I post this - if I started watching it the second it dropped id still have 20 min to go.
@@Jaggerbush look at the edit genius
If that woman would have been of Arab or North African decent instead of American African no one would have said a thing. Yes, the woman is an American African. However, her phenotype would have been pretty common in the Mediterranean region at the time. The Greeks saw themselves as between the people of the north and the people of the south.
@@kudjoeadkins-battle2502 Sorry, but the Ptolemies were Macedonian and they sought to keep their bloodlines true. They adopted the Egyptian practice of royal incest. Presenting her as otherwise, such as Netflix has, is an historical falsehood.
@@intractablemaskvpmGy how did they look? They would have looked like other people in the region and that actress that played the part isn't that far off. Let's not pretend that the Macedonians were some pale skinned people. No one ever described them as such. They would have been more than likely similar to the Greeks who saw themselves as a medium between the lightest and the darkest.
Thank you so much David ! Everything you said in this video is just, you don't take any side, you stick to evidence, you're not afraid to express ideas if they are valid. Thank you for your courage, and this scientific video on History, specially the touchy questions. Thank you for saying what you said on the other video that some people felt offended about. I appreciate that you precised it. Indeed it seems today some people want to protect (possible) racism, by using bad faith and the victim card. Your videos are refreshing and reassuring, specially after having heard people like Graham Hancock, spreading lies on Ancient History. We need professors like you. Thank you for being on TH-cam and the courses you propose. It makes me want to become a patron for your channel and your work, and subscribe to your courses. Take care, Gaby
Thank you for this video!!
When has history not been politicized?
Plenty... It's all the stuff that's boring to people who aren't interested in history unless there's some political, social, religious, treasure, or other aspect that's relevant to that person. So much history is "boring" in that sense.
@@GizzyDillespee sure, but it’s still all just used for some political agenda or another, even the “boring stuff” because it’s often the “boring stuff” that people latch on to and use to prove whatever point they are trying to make. Like people that want to talk about the daily lives of people in the 50’s compared to today and try to make an argument about how much better things were back then. They aren’t using things like the Korean War.
this is good work, keep it up
I like your fair approach on history, I love history and I want the truest take on it no matter how it falls. Keep it up.
The BBC production th-cam.com/video/6M-qsVS8zeU/w-d-xo.html and Disney's Proud Family...EXACTLY what your talking about here Professor. This is a case of rewriting history and then not only promoting as fact but wanting to TEACH this as real history.
"EXACTLY what your talking about here Professor." - but not in the way you presupposed. It's you being triggered by the BBC production you linked which is close to Dr. Miano's topic. For some reason you think that BBC production is lying to you, but you offer no evidence.
@@TheDanEdwardsthere is evidence of North African Auxiliaries being stationed on Hadrian's Wall. However, being Auxiliaries they probably wouldn't have been dressed as in that video.
@@TheDanEdwards Have you seen it? It is bs. Evidence? Really? Talk to historians much? That "evidence is all over the campuses in Britain that have sided against such made up history. The only "trigger" is the lie these both wish to present as "real" history. Need to check yourself.
@@stephena1196 Also, they were North African, I dunno if you've ever looked at a North African but they don't have chocolate brown skin, darker than my Celtic pastiness, sure, but that's not really saying much.
Well Dr. Miano, I see that you used one of my comments in your video, and not in a flattering way. Also, you pointed a finger to your head while saying "there's something going on up here, there's some history". Also you left out our back and forth comments to each other, including my final comment where I thanked you for a lively debate, one in which you subsequently gave me a ❤. At no time did I ever insinuate that you where crazy or insult you in such a demeaning manner. Apparently you thought that was funny? I've always respected your knowledge of ancient history and appreciate the videos in which I've learned so much. Yes, we had a disagreement about one thing, does that disagreement deserve such a response?
Well done! Really enjoyed it.
Thanks for this very good video...
The main problem with value judgements is that when many people call some historical (or modern political) person or entity "bad", they tend to assume, that the opponents of the said person or entity are or were "good". I may be biased and generally wrong, but in my opinion conflicts are rarely between "good" and "evil'. Much more frequently you'll run into several "evils" fighting to have an upper hand and sacrificing a lot of people in the process. My country is currently at war and is internationally acclaimed as "good". But from inside the mess i see only two oppressive cleptocratic murderous regimes mass-killing their misguided and heavily indoctrinated people in a crazy struggle, while other actors do their best to extract as much gain from the situation as possible.
Which country are you from?
Having relatives/ancestors who did reprehensible things definitely does not (or should not) imply that oneself is any more likely to be a jerk than anyone else....but having relatives who did bad things is somewhat embarrassing.....and some of my ancestors/relatives have done some stuff sufficiently bad that I think it is pretty reasonable for the embarrassment to last for at least as many generations as they were bad actors.
we can be proud of our ancestors and correct their errors
@@Giantcrabz Proud of some of our ancestors. And correct the errors of both the ancestors we are proud of and those who are embarrassing.
This was a great topic. Thanks.
I love this video. This is why Dr M is literally my favourite history youtuber 👌🏾
Problem is that archeology is rooted in nationalism and there are great divisions between individual national "schools" that are not able to talk to each other AT ALL.... :(
I think it's not about archaeology, because I live in a country where archaeology was nationalistic -- but it's not.
On the other hand, it's a general principle that we look at the past through the glasses of the present. I recently encountered such an example as the participation of barbarians in the fall of Rome -- in the shadow of World War II, when the Germans were the perpetrators of crimes, the barbarians were seen as pre-Nazis almost, a murderous horde that came to murder. We are in the 21st century, the EU, nations are making friends, and the barbarians are spoken of in the context of the "migration of peoples," as a complex process.
I can throw a lot of such examples from my national history and relations with my neighbours, but these barbarians and Rome should be understood more universally.
@@PKowalski2009 Its not in the generation who studies now, but it still is in the generation who teaches....
This is true often times. There is a lot of Russian archeological papers that have never been translated into English. etc. They don't want to translate it.
Same goes for history and most subjects in that field. I wanted to study near eastern studies, because I’m part of an ethnic minority of the Middle East and wanted to learn more in general.
I was shocked by how biased this field is.
Very dishonest teachings and little to no truth about the history of ethnic and religious minorities. It’s basically pro Islam pro arabization 🤣. Any critique is seen as an attack.
I wonder if it’s the fear to say the truth or just actual delusion.
I have not watched this yet, but I imagine India is going to play a large part of this video.
I greatly enjoy your videos keep them coming.
I shared this in Discord. You're the man, sir.
At 51:35, re. your hypothetical "History of Queer People in Ancient Times", that title is already political. Were there ancient people who called themselves "queer" or some ancient analog? (I understand the non-derogatory meaning of queer to be a thoroughly postmodern descriptor) If it is the case that ancient people didn't have a comparable concept, then any book on "queer" ancient history is probably filled with projection.
or maybe straightness is an aberration
Your comment seems to be unaware of the fact that we describe things in our own language. Was the "Bronze Age" called the Bronze Age back then? No. Was Alexander III called Alexander III? No. We gave him the number. Was the Akkadian Empire called the Akkadian Empire? No. These are our names.
@WorldofAntiquity Names are one thing (i.e Bronze Age) but queer (as opposed to homosexual) is a concept and what I'm getting at is "did ancient peoples have that concept?". In an academic context I would define queer as being self-consciously subversive of societal norms regarding sexuality or gender (see the transitive verb "to queer"). Is the historical or archeological record of ancient times really good enough to establish that there were "queer" people? Or is it more likely a case of modern projection onto ancient peoples?
That's like suggesting that red headed people are a modern invention because we don't find enough red headed dead people. Queer people are born, not made. There's no doubt that the labels and expressions would be different in a radically different culture. But people who we would call gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, etc. would still be born and have atypical experiences. And you can't just hand waive away the fact that these lives are often lived underground due to skepticism and hostility from the mainstream. That's going to impact how they are recorded, and how often.
@WorldofAntiquity I agree with your sentiments... but ask yourself this: have you ever met someone who wrote a book called "Queer society in antiquity" or somesuch who isn't also motivated by ideology.
One of my favorite books about ancient history in college was a study of ancient sex toys. A gay friend had it as a coffee table conversation piece. It was fascinating and as an 18 year old kid it changed my perception of ancient people, making them more real.
Human sexuality is obviously an incredibly important aspect of culture, and obviously deserving of serious study, despite the inherent difficulty in obtaining data.
But finding someone who wants to dedicate their life to specializing in finding aspects of genderqueer culture in ancient South American societies who isn't motivated by personal ideology might be a tall ask.