In the US Navy, ships and boats are referred to with female pronouns (she/her) as shorthand to distinguish them from Russian vessels, which are usually referred to by male pronouns (he). In Russian all inanimate objects are gendered male. An American submarine sonar tech might say "Sir, he's coming around", which would communicate what the Russian boat/ship is doing. Conversely, the tech saying something like "she's running silent" would indicate that they're talking about their own boat or another American vessel.
@@GiantFreakinRobot No problem. I was in the Air Force, but my dad was in the Navy and we’re both Star Trek fans for life. The submarine films “The Hunt For Red October” and “Crimson Tide” both accurately depict how sailors refer to ships of different nations.
Amen as a old Navy man,you nailed what I was going to tell the ones about He( Russians) and other countries vs She ( USA & other countries) or the other Countries that call a ship a ( It) ......
@@poseidon5003 It's possible Worf totally messed up the Warp Drive on its last mission and the Warp Drive+Nacelles were a total loss+more major structural damage.
@@austinlevreault6211 Nope. Whatever happened couldn't be helped and wasn't Worfs fault. The ship got put out off commission which usually means severe damage. If it's not fixable, that counts as "destroyed".
Could be anything, and it certainly doesn't have to be Worf's fault. In TNG we saw them trigger auto-destruct a bunch of times only to be able to call it off at the last minute. Or it could have been attacked. Or, following with the themes of this vid, it could have been used to do something experimental that rendered it unusable (think "Pegasus") Or it could have been lost in time for some Trek reasons. I tend to agree that some of this nerdy business is besides the point most of the time, but, well written, this could be a very satisfying setting for whatever shows are up next. One of the Academy kids is a history buff and has a theory about where the lost Enterprise E ended up. I dunno.
Picard ignored the advice that Kirk personally gave him "dont let them promote you, don't let them transfer you, don't let them do anything that takes you off the bridge of that ship"
@@GiantFreakinRobot No idea. Probably not, but considering the masterclass that is their work, I wouldn't put it past them to try. Would be totally bad-ass!
Given Worf's earlier comment about the superiority of Klingon cloaking technology, I like to imagine that the Enterprise-E was given special permission to receive a cloaking device, and Worf simply forgot where they parked it.
Was that a Voyage Home reference you made? “Remember where we parked,” Admiral Kirk after landing a stolen cloaked Klingon bird of prey. If so, too bad Worf didn’t have someone reminding him where they parked the dang thing.
In all honesty, the likely fate was far more mundane. Referring to Star Trek III as a precedent, it is likely that Enterprise-E took a beating in its last mission, but survived. When returning to Earth Spacedock for repair and refit, Starfleet made the executive decision to retire Enterprise-E because it was far more economical and less time consuming to commission Enterprise-F than go through the expense of repairing an inferior ship whose life expectancy and spaceframe had been greatly reduced by the extreme stress of multiple dangerous operations. The rest of the TNG crew clown on Worf about it. Both TNG and DS9 made it a thing that the other main characters rag of Worf because of how serious he is. The joke is that Worf got the Enterprise-E retired, not destroyed. Retirement is shameful to Klingons, thus Worf's reaction.
Or for all we know it's somewhere within a region of space or time that's not readily accessible through ordinary means. Think they did something like that with the Discovery.
@GiantFreakingRobot. Not necessarily, The most famous Enterprise of all…the one that made the name immortalized, U.S.S. Enterprise CV-6 from WWII couldn’t be saved from the Even with a large petition that included high ranking Admirals, to make her a museum ship she was still sent to the breakers. She is also a good example of it’s not the years but the milage being she was only 9 years old when she was decommissioned
@GiantFreakinRobot not necessarily its not uncommon for ships past there sell by date to be mothballed. Not left in the museum but parked up in a real fleet reserve for the next time they lose half the fleet?
The one thing about Worf that bothers me, is that he should not be aging, but in comparison a few years compared to everyone else. Klingons don't age at the same rate as humans.
True. Klingon's seem to age at half the rate human's do. The TOS Klingons we see on DS9 are about 200 or so years old, vs. an everage lifespan of a human being around 100 comfortably.
That could all play into the incident regarding the Enterprise-E. Temporal anomalies are just another possibility that could have put excessive wear on the poor ship as well as her Captain.
My completely made up guess is that the E got accidentally thrown into the future by something on that last mission. It's perfectly fine but they can't get at it until it reappears in 200 years, or something.
@@hudsonball4702 The temporal energy takes the ship offline. The computer is also offline and can't run the auto-destruct. Worf orders evacuation when it becomes clear the ship is going to be taken into the future. A Federation starship was on-scene to assist and Worf orders them to destroy the Enterprise to prevent it falling into the wrong hands. As the other ship fires torpedoes, Enterprise is swallowed up and disappears into the future. Something like that.
According to some secondhand information that came to my hands (I can't confirm any of it right now), the Enterprise-E andthe Defiant were both present during the massacre in ST: Prodigy's season 1 finale, with the implication that she was destroyed there. Again, I can't confirm. And Worf would have left Starfleet after accidently killing an innocent woman.
@@JCtechwizardThis makes more sense. I had an inkling that there was a problem and consulted Memory Alpha. Picard was promoted to Admiral and left the Enterprise in 2381 "to assist the Romulan people in their time of great crisis" (presumably the recent political upheaval and impending supernova). This information, combined with what you've shared, makes more sense.
When you don't read your Star Trek source material , you fail to understand the connection between Star Trek TV and Star Trek Online. Star Trek Online was the true cannon along with Star Trek Countdown in 2009. CBS had to bring continuity between STO, Picard, Data, Worf , and the Enterprise-E. Data was the Captain of the Enterprise-E
I was so pissed when they cut that. 1 I liked the comic and data as captain, 2 part of STO's original appeal was that you where continuing the adventures of the cannon universe, they even had hours worth of official stories made to reflect that.
How could Data be Captain if his original body was destroyed when the Scimitar blew up ? I know new Data os a new body wit hmemories most likely downloaded to B4 ,Lore , possibly Lal (daughter from TNG episode andAnton Soon the son of his creator.
@@robertgreen6433 Basically Data's loaded memories and such ended up taking over as B4's mind simply couldn't handle it...essentially B4 would have ended up brain dead anyway and Data ended up being the one left since B4's mind had already started degrading similar to how Lal's did
@@AzraelThanatos THing is Data's memory may have been more prevelant but the body in season 3 wasn't B4s it was more of a updated version like Picard's where it is synthetic organic and capable of aging . I'm thinking Anton soon worked on a new body after Picard season one but something happened to where he was unable to use it (Daystrom Station ie Section 31) His memories in Data /Security system were probably downloaded in preparation for the new body .
My theory is that Good old Enterprise-E is still in commission unofficially as Worf's secret command ship during his work in Starfleet Intelligence. if it was officially decommissioned due to an 'incident above Kellar Prime,' and was then outfitted with a cloaking device, it would be an ideal spy battleship, perfect for Worf and his classified missions. would love to see a spin-off show where he's secretly helping to stabilize the weakened Klingon Empire, keep the Dominion from coming back to power, or trying to find a way to bring back Captain Sisko. (Or, maybe, even find a way to time-travel in order to save Jadzia from death.)
Your explanation of it is actually the most realistic. In real life, great ships and aircraft rarely go down in a blaze of glory. Sometimes, they just can't be fixed and need to be "written off" even earlier than expected. Besides that, when the USS Voyager returned from the Delta Quadrant she brought with it knowledge of new 'alien' uh, foreign, uh, exotic yeah, exotic technologies and soon after she returned we see a great change in the way starships look and function. Perhaps alot of that new tech also happened to be incompatible with the Sovereign Class, and whatever it is that Worf's mission did to the Enterprise-E happened to correspond roughly to the time frame when these tech advances were coming to fruition. Anyway, that's my interpretation just to tack-on to your explanation ;)
I like Venom Geek Studios' fanon theory that the Enterprise B was rechristened as the Lakota, and the Enterprise title was passed on to the Ambassador (or Probert) class when it went into service.
Prodigy S2 has a scene with Traveler Wesley and his secret locker that has a Sovereign Class ship hanging in it. Since he never served aboard her, perhaps it's a shrunken down Enterprise E he's safekeeping.
My theory: some kind of sentient AI program took residency in the E's main computer and it could not be removed without killing it. It became hostile and forced the crew to abandon ship. It then took over the ship and warped itself away until found and recovered by Section 31.
From what I heard from Star Trek Online, the E was destroyed in an incident involving the Undine (Species 8472). Kriilar Prime could be where it took place. My theory, anyway. There are always others. 🖖😎👍
Novels are never really canon and can be removed from continuity anytime by a writer for a TV series or movie. We should have seen the E retired at Fronter Day and then the F commissioned afterwards.
OR, the E-E should've been the ship being retired for Frontier Day and the E-D has her same position. And leave the Enterprise-F for the incoming Odyssey class. The real error is that the Titan-A was put into the Enterprise-G position.
@@3Rayfire this would work. thew sovies like the Galaxy's have a long hull life thus long service life. also instead of renaming titan, which I think was also a massive ship error the D is refited to her Galaxy X form
You left out that in Star Trek prodigy the enterprise E makes an appearance and gets badly damaged, adding to the overall wear and tear on the space frame.
unfortunately that was an error by the CGI team. The used the Enterprise model for all the sovereigns and only changed the name on the saucer section. There's videos on you tube that slowdown and show that they all say enterprise on the ships except the saucer section due to animator laziness.
Maybe she was partially destroyed. Still operational but irrecoverable from the damage she took. Like how most of the Titan was destroyed and all her good parts was transferred to the Titan A.
I have just read a comment on here and i have to agree in ST-Online there was a battle with the Undine (Species 8472) where the Enterprise E got damaged. i think this should be covered in some way. that seems more plausable.
Worf and the Enterprise-E were transporting the Section-31 Attack Tribbles from Daystrom Station to an uninhabited Class-M planet but they escaped the containment units and infested the ship within minutes. Worf set a course for the closest habitable planet, Krilla Prime, and ordered the skeleton crew to abandon ship, joining them shortly there after. Starfleet attempted to board and reclaim the Enterprise-E however the boarding party was lost. Deciding it was far too dangerous to reclaim the ship, they automated a deep space course and turned on the ships biohazard warning beacon. She was then set adrift with tens of thousands (maybe now hundreds of thousands) of Tribbles eating eachother and breeding exponentially. So, you see, it was not Worf's fault.
The E was last seen visually on the Prodigy S01 finale, yes it may be animated by canonically its still the E. The E is my fave ship, better than the G and only slightly ahead of the F. Whatever happened to the E, it must've been bad cos it wasn't seen at the Athan Prime Fleet Museum.
If the writers of Picard had ACTUALLY WATCHED The Next Generation, Deep Space 9, and Voyager....they would know Picard would NEVER leave StarFleet, and would be in command of the Enterprise F, and that JaneWay would NEVER allow Annika Hansen to become an alcoholic mercenary...she would be a science advisor aboard the Voyager A like Jurati was aboard the StarGazer A under Captain Rios...which would be an actual good Trek series!!!
Everyone thinking it was something terrible, when he actually lost it to the Ferengi,drunk, in a domino match. And now the E is a luxury Ferengi hotel. 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
How about this theory... it's not too likely, but probably more likely than some: *The E's computer system was infected by an intelligent & aware AI nanobot...* *Starfleet were lucky to be able to remove non-infected Carbon-based-units from the ship before they too were infected...* *They're now trying to communicate with the AI that now is in total control of the ship but they dare not get too close.* Alternatively: She hit a cross between a wormhole and a blackhole and ended up a "long time ago in a Galaxy, far, far away." (Please forgive the plagarism
It’s a convoluted story line anyway. The F and G are stupid. The E should’ve been still around, in service for Pic S3, and under the command of Worf. The final battle with the Borg should’ve been fought with the D and E, both surviving, doing the re hash Star Trek 6 side by side formation return to Fed space, and retired together. Enterprise F should’ve been introduced at the end of the series, or in a new series later.
I wish they used the E instead of the Titan in Picard season 3. With a running gag throughout the season that she’s old, worn out and held together by duct tape. Like with gag of the Millennium Falcon constantly breaking down in Empire Strikes Back.
You never covered the E’s appearance in the first season of Star Trek Prodigy where the alien virus took over the fleet and caused ships infected to attack other starfleet ships.
And this of the well known Enterprises. There are several Enterprises more powerful than the main show ones although not all in same Universe and the rest future timeline. The Battleship Enterprise certainly one. I liked the 3 Nacelles Enterprise Dreadnought as it was a tribute to the TOS Dreadnoughts with 3 Nacelles from a tech book I loved that came out sometime after the TOS was over in the 70's I recall loving. Born 62 actually got to see TOS broadcasted but was too young to recall well that came with reruns later in 70's.
Technically there a few star trek games that show the crew of the enterprise e after nemesis like star trek voyager eleite force 2 star ship bridge commander and few other games with Piccard and worf showing what happen after nemisis
In my head canon, following the battle of The Living Construct, the Enterprise-E was being refitted at Utiopia Plantia when the Synth Attack happened. The Enterprise-E was destroyed in that attack. The battle of The Living Construct and the Synth Attacks were months apart. Even though the whole thing about Kallar Prime came out following Prodigy, it gave me closure to know the Enterprise-E went down in a blaze of glory. Despite what Worf did on DS9, Picard promoted his First Officer to Enterprise Commanding Officer in 2381, therefore Worf enjoyed a good 3 plus years as Enterprise Captain. After whatever happened to The Enterprise, he remained as Captain perhaps working in Starfleet Security and then later Starfleet Intelligence/Section 31. The last time Picard saw Worf was 2389-2390....according to Worf in Picard Season 3.
@@BigKnGa Also, there was no Commander Martin Madden in my head canon. Following Data's "death" in Nemesis, Picard made Worf his new First Officer. Since Worf was practically Second Officer of DS9, he was the most qualified.
I don't know how the Constitution 2 model got less screen time than the Sovereign... Did you not count ST1? Theres 30 min of that ship in that movie alone, much less the rest of the movies. The sovereign was in 3 movies vs 6 and the Connie2 has been repeatedly voted the most recognizable ship in sci-fi followed by the Tardis. The enterprise E probably got decommissioned and recommission after severe damage and the flag transfered to the F.
@@GiantFreakinRobot Its outward appearance is virtually identical. Both the same class of starship. Star trek 1 was basically a showcase of the new enterprise. Pretty sure there is more 1701 in ST1 and WOK than E in all TNG movies.
to be fair, the Enterprise ncc-1701-a (depicted) is NOT the refit of the Enterprise ncc-1701. the refit ncc-1701 WAS a pretty great ship until khan, having memorized the pre-refit technical manuals, and being a genius, fires on the enterprise in all of her most sensitive areas just short of blowing her out of the sky and leaving her crippled and leaking radiation, able to escape the reliant's destruction by genesis wave, and then sent to space dock for inspection and likely decommissioning, but before that could happen, was stolen by the enterprise bridge crew to rescue spock and give him back his katra from mccoy, which they do, but not before an encounter with klingons that killed kirk's son, they didn't have any security or weapons and the ship was crippled as it was after the khan battle, so it couldn't take on a bird of pray, so kirk surrendered, set the enterprise to self destruct, beamed to the BOP, and took it over. when they flew back to earth, the whale probe was wreaking havok, they figured out they needed whales, went back to 1980's san fransisco, retrieved whales , helped a guy invent transparent aluminum so they could store the whales aboard with the water required, found some nuclear isotopes to recrystallize the dilithium to fix the engines, and went home, the whales solved the problem, and everyone was given commondation, and the USS Yorktown which was crippled severely by the whale probe (and likely lost life support killing it's crew) was given to kirk with special dispensation to change her name to USS Enterprise ncc-1701-a, and give Scotty a HUUUUUGE job in refitting her damaged systems which never seemed to work nearly as well as the systems aboard the ncc-1701 despite a very similar design lineage.
@@GiantFreakinRobot 0:05 in the intro you reference "the enterprise and it's refit" and the enterprise a is on screen. I'm not out to snipe at anybody though, I really like this content, and I look forward to more. please keep up the awesome work! - I've been really curious as to what was going on the the E for a while :D
Awesome! I love the Enterprise E to pieces! It is my favorite ship of all the Enterprises. I am really hoping we will see her again. Perhaps in an epic fashion, just as we saw the Enterprise D return in Picard Season 3. I have a tribute video to the old girl, here: th-cam.com/video/gukKpr2m6qE/w-d-xo.html
If we had a nickel for everytime Terry replaced a legacy name ship with the Titan-A, we'd have two nickels; which isn't a lot, but it's weird it happened twice. (in the same season no less.)
I like that the Titan sort of earned the Enterprise name, but would have been better if it had been some other ship, maybe one with a bad rep that redeemed itself and earned a better name.
It is refreshing and I am thankful to you for NOT caving to the woke. A ship will ALWAYS be referred to as SHE/HER. Hmmm...I guess those are pronouns! 😄
@@GiantFreakinRobot No but that is the closest good explanation for. Why put E in the show? This would or always explain why Worf says that was not my fault.
There was a Sovereign class with the NCC-1701-E registry in the battle with the Living Construct. This is confirmed on Memory Alpha, so she was there, it doesn't necessarily mean that was her last ride. Though honestly that's a good an end as any. And certainly not Worf's fault.
To be fair: referring to ships using female pronouns is traditional in English-speaking countries, but not everywhere. English nouns don't have gender, as in other languages. For example, in German, "the ship" translates to "das Schiff." "Das" is the pronoun for neuter nouns - in other words, "it" (as opposed to "he" or "she."). That being said, I like the tradition. 🤷🏼♂️
My question is...did the teddy bear the little girl dropped during the stardrive evacuation survive the explosion in Generations??? TREKKIES MUST KNOW!!! LOL
In the US Navy, ships and boats are referred to with female pronouns (she/her) as shorthand to distinguish them from Russian vessels, which are usually referred to by male pronouns (he). In Russian all inanimate objects are gendered male. An American submarine sonar tech might say "Sir, he's coming around", which would communicate what the Russian boat/ship is doing. Conversely, the tech saying something like "she's running silent" would indicate that they're talking about their own boat or another American vessel.
Thanks for going more in depth on that for everyone!!
@@GiantFreakinRobot No problem. I was in the Air Force, but my dad was in the Navy and we’re both Star Trek fans for life. The submarine films “The Hunt For Red October” and “Crimson Tide” both accurately depict how sailors refer to ships of different nations.
Amen as a old Navy man,you nailed what I was going to tell the ones about He( Russians) and other countries vs She ( USA & other countries) or the other Countries that call a ship a ( It) ......
I believe the Klingon Imperial Navy also refer the their vessels as 'He'. Or at least they do in some of the novels.
I really like the Enterprise-E it deserved a series to get used to it.
Geordi saying "we can't use the Enterprise E" suggests it was out of action, not destroyed.
It could suggest destruction.
@@poseidon5003 It's possible Worf totally messed up the Warp Drive on its last mission and the Warp Drive+Nacelles were a total loss+more major structural damage.
@@austinlevreault6211 Nope. Whatever happened couldn't be helped and wasn't Worfs fault. The ship got put out off commission which usually means severe damage. If it's not fixable, that counts as "destroyed".
Could be anything, and it certainly doesn't have to be Worf's fault. In TNG we saw them trigger auto-destruct a bunch of times only to be able to call it off at the last minute. Or it could have been attacked. Or, following with the themes of this vid, it could have been used to do something experimental that rendered it unusable (think "Pegasus") Or it could have been lost in time for some Trek reasons. I tend to agree that some of this nerdy business is besides the point most of the time, but, well written, this could be a very satisfying setting for whatever shows are up next. One of the Academy kids is a history buff and has a theory about where the lost Enterprise E ended up. I dunno.
I agree, they were very careful how they worded that and they knew us trekkies would be dissecting this statement for years.
Picard ignored the advice that Kirk personally gave him "dont let them promote you, don't let them transfer you, don't let them do anything that takes you off the bridge of that ship"
JTVFX will probably tell the story in spectacular fashion. Can't wait for those guys to finish the Wolfe-359 saga!
Are they working on the E’s final mission?
@@GiantFreakinRobot No idea. Probably not, but considering the masterclass that is their work, I wouldn't put it past them to try. Would be totally bad-ass!
Given Worf's earlier comment about the superiority of Klingon cloaking technology, I like to imagine that the Enterprise-E was given special permission to receive a cloaking device, and Worf simply forgot where they parked it.
That would be amazing
Was that a Voyage Home reference you made? “Remember where we parked,” Admiral Kirk after landing a stolen cloaked Klingon bird of prey. If so, too bad Worf didn’t have someone reminding him where they parked the dang thing.
That might make sense - a Megamind scenario.
It's pretty obvious Romulan cloaking technology is superior to Klingon. Worf was just running his mouth.
In all honesty, the likely fate was far more mundane. Referring to Star Trek III as a precedent, it is likely that Enterprise-E took a beating in its last mission, but survived. When returning to Earth Spacedock for repair and refit, Starfleet made the executive decision to retire Enterprise-E because it was far more economical and less time consuming to commission Enterprise-F than go through the expense of repairing an inferior ship whose life expectancy and spaceframe had been greatly reduced by the extreme stress of multiple dangerous operations. The rest of the TNG crew clown on Worf about it. Both TNG and DS9 made it a thing that the other main characters rag of Worf because of how serious he is. The joke is that Worf got the Enterprise-E retired, not destroyed. Retirement is shameful to Klingons, thus Worf's reaction.
If it was retired it would have been at the fleet museum!
Or for all we know it's somewhere within a region of space or time that's not readily accessible through ordinary means. Think they did something like that with the Discovery.
@GiantFreakingRobot. Not necessarily, The most famous Enterprise of all…the one that made the name immortalized, U.S.S. Enterprise CV-6 from WWII couldn’t be saved from the Even with a large petition that included high ranking Admirals, to make her a museum ship she was still sent to the breakers. She is also a good example of it’s not the years but the milage being she was only 9 years old when she was decommissioned
I agree with that logic, but if that's how Starfleet see's things how could fixing the D up possibly be worthwhile?
@GiantFreakinRobot not necessarily its not uncommon for ships past there sell by date to be mothballed. Not left in the museum but parked up in a real fleet reserve for the next time they lose half the fleet?
The one thing about Worf that bothers me, is that he should not be aging, but in comparison a few years compared to everyone else. Klingons don't age at the same rate as humans.
I know! It is one of those things you’ve just gotta ignore, but it bugs me too!
@@GiantFreakinRobot❤same thing
True. Klingon's seem to age at half the rate human's do. The TOS Klingons we see on DS9 are about 200 or so years old, vs. an everage lifespan of a human being around 100 comfortably.
He should also be able to win a unarmed fight against a average human. 😅
That could all play into the incident regarding the Enterprise-E. Temporal anomalies are just another possibility that could have put excessive wear on the poor ship as well as her Captain.
My completely made up guess is that the E got accidentally thrown into the future by something on that last mission. It's perfectly fine but they can't get at it until it reappears in 200 years, or something.
I love this idea!
Then how did Worf and the crew get back?
@@hudsonball4702 The temporal energy takes the ship offline. The computer is also offline and can't run the auto-destruct. Worf orders evacuation when it becomes clear the ship is going to be taken into the future. A Federation starship was on-scene to assist and Worf orders them to destroy the Enterprise to prevent it falling into the wrong hands. As the other ship fires torpedoes, Enterprise is swallowed up and disappears into the future.
Something like that.
According to some secondhand information that came to my hands (I can't confirm any of it right now), the Enterprise-E andthe Defiant were both present during the massacre in ST: Prodigy's season 1 finale, with the implication that she was destroyed there. Again, I can't confirm.
And Worf would have left Starfleet after accidently killing an innocent woman.
No way CBS would let the E be destroyed there. At least I hope not!
It was there though.
You are correct. The Enterprise E and Defiant were both in the battle in the Prodigy season 1 finale. The video completely left this out
Which also means the Enterprise E servicecwned around 2384 not 2381
@@JCtechwizardThis makes more sense.
I had an inkling that there was a problem and consulted Memory Alpha. Picard was promoted to Admiral and left the Enterprise in 2381 "to assist the Romulan people in their time of great crisis" (presumably the recent political upheaval and impending supernova).
This information, combined with what you've shared, makes more sense.
When you don't read your Star Trek source material , you fail to understand the connection between Star Trek TV and Star Trek Online.
Star Trek Online was the true cannon along with Star Trek Countdown in 2009.
CBS had to bring continuity between STO, Picard, Data, Worf , and the Enterprise-E.
Data was the Captain of the Enterprise-E
Unfortunately, that kind of ended up tossed into the air after Discovery and Picard kept making choices that screw with the events there.
I was so pissed when they cut that. 1 I liked the comic and data as captain, 2 part of STO's original appeal was that you where continuing the adventures of the cannon universe, they even had hours worth of official stories made to reflect that.
How could Data be Captain if his original body was destroyed when the Scimitar blew up ?
I know new Data os a new body wit hmemories most likely downloaded to B4 ,Lore , possibly Lal (daughter from TNG episode andAnton Soon the son of his creator.
@@robertgreen6433 Basically Data's loaded memories and such ended up taking over as B4's mind simply couldn't handle it...essentially B4 would have ended up brain dead anyway and Data ended up being the one left since B4's mind had already started degrading similar to how Lal's did
@@AzraelThanatos THing is Data's memory may have been more prevelant but the body in season 3 wasn't B4s it was more of a updated version like Picard's where it is synthetic organic and capable of aging . I'm thinking Anton soon worked on a new body after Picard season one but something happened to where he was unable to use it (Daystrom Station ie Section 31) His memories in Data /Security system were probably downloaded in preparation for the new body .
My theory is that Good old Enterprise-E is still in commission unofficially as Worf's secret command ship during his work in Starfleet Intelligence. if it was officially decommissioned due to an 'incident above Kellar Prime,' and was then outfitted with a cloaking device, it would be an ideal spy battleship, perfect for Worf and his classified missions. would love to see a spin-off show where he's secretly helping to stabilize the weakened Klingon Empire, keep the Dominion from coming back to power, or trying to find a way to bring back Captain Sisko. (Or, maybe, even find a way to time-travel in order to save Jadzia from death.)
Your explanation of it is actually the most realistic. In real life, great ships and aircraft rarely go down in a blaze of glory. Sometimes, they just can't be fixed and need to be "written off" even earlier than expected. Besides that, when the USS Voyager returned from the Delta Quadrant she brought with it knowledge of new 'alien' uh, foreign, uh, exotic yeah, exotic technologies and soon after she returned we see a great change in the way starships look and function. Perhaps alot of that new tech also happened to be incompatible with the Sovereign Class, and whatever it is that Worf's mission did to the Enterprise-E happened to correspond roughly to the time frame when these tech advances were coming to fruition. Anyway, that's my interpretation just to tack-on to your explanation ;)
Thank you for this hopefully one day we might get the full story
When did we see the Enterprise B die on screen? We saw it take some damage in "Generations", but it was not destroyed.
Correct, we haven’t seen the final fate of the B. But for purposes of this video, was focused on the big 3.
I like Venom Geek Studios' fanon theory that the Enterprise B was rechristened as the Lakota, and the Enterprise title was passed on to the Ambassador (or Probert) class when it went into service.
@@BoeBins For me, it is most likely that this will not happen, it feels very important to do this.
According to Beta and some alpha sources the B went Missing shortly after Captain Demora Sulu took command. She is currently MIA
i think a movie or a three part mini series based on that mission with captain Worf would be fantastic.
Prodigy S2 has a scene with Traveler Wesley and his secret locker that has a Sovereign Class ship hanging in it. Since he never served aboard her, perhaps it's a shrunken down Enterprise E he's safekeeping.
I like it! Fun theory
They've built up the mystery so much that no answer to the question will be satisfactory.
Could be that the Enterprise E was stolen or maybe sold and it relates back to Worf and his unorthodox Klingon diplomatic ways.
Worf is a great diplomat… by Klingon standards
@@GiantFreakinRobot agreed, Worf is a great everything. But the fact remains the crew hold him accountable for what ever happened to the Enterprise E
My theory: some kind of sentient AI program took residency in the E's main computer and it could not be removed without killing it. It became hostile and forced the crew to abandon ship. It then took over the ship and warped itself away until found and recovered by Section 31.
From what I heard from Star Trek Online, the E was destroyed in an incident involving the Undine (Species 8472). Kriilar Prime could be where it took place. My theory, anyway. There are always others. 🖖😎👍
Species 8472 > Star Trek Voyager > Fluidic Space.
The Picard novels are considered canon. They were specifically commissioned to expand on the storylines in the series.
Initially yes but now they’ve been somewhat disavowed
Novels are never really canon and can be removed from continuity anytime by a writer for a TV series or movie. We should have seen the E retired at Fronter Day and then the F commissioned afterwards.
Enterprise-E is my favorite Enterprise.
2:06 I too preferred the E's weapons systems.
Yeah it is weird that if it is intact, it's not in the museum.
I love Worf. ❤
He was such a deep character, TNG Worf was good, but Worf really grew in DS9 😤
Should've just brought back the E for Picard S3 - was too far fetched bringing back the D just for huge memberberries.
The storyline for D made total sense - also, by using D, the Next Gen storyline ends as it started, looking at the Enterprise D
@@andrewbrown6786 Exactly - but why? Memberberries. Should have used the E - things move on.
I agree. They were going for max nostalgia though
OR, the E-E should've been the ship being retired for Frontier Day and the E-D has her same position. And leave the Enterprise-F for the incoming Odyssey class. The real error is that the Titan-A was put into the Enterprise-G position.
@@3Rayfire this would work. thew sovies like the Galaxy's have a long hull life thus long service life.
also instead of renaming titan, which I think was also a massive ship error the D is refited to her Galaxy X form
Worf pulled a Star Trek
You left out that in Star Trek prodigy the enterprise E makes an appearance and gets badly damaged, adding to the overall wear and tear on the space frame.
unfortunately that was an error by the CGI team. The used the Enterprise model for all the sovereigns and only changed the name on the saucer section. There's videos on you tube that slowdown and show that they all say enterprise on the ships except the saucer section due to animator laziness.
We should of got more enterprise e movies
Maybe she was partially destroyed. Still operational but irrecoverable from the damage she took. Like how most of the Titan was destroyed and all her good parts was transferred to the Titan A.
How about E became interphasic, trapped in an interdementional corridor where it can be seen, but not touched
I have just read a comment on here and i have to agree in ST-Online there was a battle with the Undine (Species 8472) where the Enterprise E got damaged. i think this should be covered in some way. that seems more plausable.
You forgot that Geordi mentioned the talk about the ship after Worf said it was not my fault...Geordi says: that the bulk head...
He wouldn't had 2 leave Star fleet to join Intelligence. He was still a Capt with a gold colored uniform eventho it should've been red
It wasn't destroyed, but it wasn't around for Geordi to restore. Probably, part of it went into the Enterprise F, and the rest became phaser blades.
What are phaser blades?? They sound cool.
Worf and the Enterprise-E were transporting the Section-31 Attack Tribbles from Daystrom Station to an uninhabited Class-M planet but they escaped the containment units and infested the ship within minutes. Worf set a course for the closest habitable planet, Krilla Prime, and ordered the skeleton crew to abandon ship, joining them shortly there after. Starfleet attempted to board and reclaim the Enterprise-E however the boarding party was lost. Deciding it was far too dangerous to reclaim the ship, they automated a deep space course and turned on the ships biohazard warning beacon. She was then set adrift with tens of thousands (maybe now hundreds of thousands) of Tribbles eating eachother and breeding exponentially. So, you see, it was not Worf's fault.
The E was last seen visually on the Prodigy S01 finale, yes it may be animated by canonically its still the E. The E is my fave ship, better than the G and only slightly ahead of the F. Whatever happened to the E, it must've been bad cos it wasn't seen at the Athan Prime Fleet Museum.
The last time we saw the Enterprise E was in the Season 1 finale of Prodigy, not Nemesis.
The engineers looked at it and said, Yeah will get to this eventually. Just park it on the side of the Earth next to my Chevy C10, and BMW
If the writers of Picard had ACTUALLY WATCHED The Next Generation, Deep Space 9, and Voyager....they would know Picard would NEVER leave StarFleet, and would be in command of the Enterprise F, and that JaneWay would NEVER allow Annika Hansen to become an alcoholic mercenary...she would be a science advisor aboard the Voyager A like Jurati was aboard the StarGazer A under Captain Rios...which would be an actual good Trek series!!!
Everyone thinking it was something terrible, when he actually lost it to the Ferengi,drunk, in a domino match. And now the E is a luxury Ferengi hotel. 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
How about this theory... it's not too likely, but probably more likely than some:
*The E's computer system was infected by an intelligent & aware AI nanobot...*
*Starfleet were lucky to be able to remove non-infected Carbon-based-units from the ship before they too were infected...*
*They're now trying to communicate with the AI that now is in total control of the ship but they dare not get too close.*
Alternatively:
She hit a cross between a wormhole and a blackhole and ended up a "long time ago in a Galaxy, far, far away." (Please forgive the plagarism
The E-E & Defiant make an appearance in the final episodes of Star Trek Prodigy. So technically Nemesis is the not the last time we see her.
It got infested with Tribbles.
The Enterprise-E makes an appearance in Prodigy. It looks like it took heavy damage in that appearance.
It’s a convoluted story line anyway. The F and G are stupid. The E should’ve been still around, in service for Pic S3, and under the command of Worf. The final battle with the Borg should’ve been fought with the D and E, both surviving, doing the re hash Star Trek 6 side by side formation return to Fed space, and retired together. Enterprise F should’ve been introduced at the end of the series, or in a new series later.
That would have been glorious
Someone else commented about it already but, do you think the Enterprise E became sentient? Is that even possible in Star Trek?
They may have had to leave it somewhere to prevent violating the prime directive.
It's all good, Worf! 😁
I wish they used the E instead of the Titan in Picard season 3. With a running gag throughout the season that she’s old, worn out and held together by duct tape. Like with gag of the Millennium Falcon constantly breaking down in Empire Strikes Back.
Wouldn't make any sense being Starfleet wouldn't send a ship back out like that
@@lazurusredd8682back out? I’m saying it never left service. We have cruisers in the US navy pushing 30 years.
I wish we can see the Enterprise-E again.
Maybe something happened to Big-E that was so weird that Section 31 was able to take possession for "research" purposes...🤷🏿♂️
I think the events in Star Trek Prodigy might have played a part in the E's destruction.
No, that incident wasn't a classified mission which the Enterprise e was on when it was lost
You never covered the E’s appearance in the first season of Star Trek Prodigy where the alien virus took over the fleet and caused ships infected to attack other starfleet ships.
He offers tea with sugar . Man what happened to him . He should of offered Prune Juice a Warriors Drink 😂
Would be neat to see Lower Decks talk about it or at least bring the F
Maybe it was space lice. Just like Marinare said happened to a ship she was on in Lower Decks.
I'm guessing Worf maxed out the Enterprise-E's insurance premium and they wouldn't cover another at Captain at fault front end collision.
D and E are my favorites!
If you had to choose…
And this of the well known Enterprises. There are several Enterprises more powerful than the main show ones although not all in same Universe and the rest future timeline. The Battleship Enterprise certainly one.
I liked the 3 Nacelles Enterprise Dreadnought as it was a tribute to the TOS Dreadnoughts with 3 Nacelles from a tech book I loved that came out sometime after the TOS was over in the 70's I recall loving. Born 62 actually got to see TOS broadcasted but was too young to recall well that came with reruns later in 70's.
It became sentient.
A tale as old as time.
Technically there a few star trek games that show the crew of the enterprise e after nemesis like star trek voyager eleite force 2 star ship bridge commander and few other games with Piccard and worf showing what happen after nemisis
Prodigy showed the 1701-E get badly damaged
But probably not destroyed
In my head canon, following the battle of The Living Construct, the Enterprise-E was being refitted at Utiopia Plantia when the Synth Attack happened. The Enterprise-E was destroyed in that attack. The battle of The Living Construct and the Synth Attacks were months apart. Even though the whole thing about Kallar Prime came out following Prodigy, it gave me closure to know the Enterprise-E went down in a blaze of glory.
Despite what Worf did on DS9, Picard promoted his First Officer to Enterprise Commanding Officer in 2381, therefore Worf enjoyed a good 3 plus years as Enterprise Captain. After whatever happened to The Enterprise, he remained as Captain perhaps working in Starfleet Security and then later Starfleet Intelligence/Section 31.
The last time Picard saw Worf was 2389-2390....according to Worf in Picard Season 3.
@@davequinlan3020 .....I can live with that canon of yours
@@BigKnGa Also, there was no Commander Martin Madden in my head canon. Following Data's "death" in Nemesis, Picard made Worf his new First Officer. Since Worf was practically Second Officer of DS9, he was the most qualified.
@davequinlan3020 honestly I could see Madden request a transfer shortly after when he realized he wasn't the man for the job.
The Echo/Sovereign is the *MOST* beautiful Enterprise.
Worfs fault ramming speed
I’d hate to think she had to ram again!
What if the ship isn't destroyed or too bad damaged, but extremely radioactive so basically unserviceable?
Could be something like that!
I don't know how the Constitution 2 model got less screen time than the Sovereign... Did you not count ST1? Theres 30 min of that ship in that movie alone, much less the rest of the movies. The sovereign was in 3 movies vs 6 and the Connie2 has been repeatedly voted the most recognizable ship in sci-fi followed by the Tardis. The enterprise E probably got decommissioned and recommission after severe damage and the flag transfered to the F.
The A is a different ship.
@@GiantFreakinRobot Its outward appearance is virtually identical. Both the same class of starship. Star trek 1 was basically a showcase of the new enterprise. Pretty sure there is more 1701 in ST1 and WOK than E in all TNG movies.
D is by far the best 🎉
Enterprise E fate is classified above top secret under the authority of SECTION 31!
to be fair, the Enterprise ncc-1701-a (depicted) is NOT the refit of the Enterprise ncc-1701. the refit ncc-1701 WAS a pretty great ship until khan, having memorized the pre-refit technical manuals, and being a genius, fires on the enterprise in all of her most sensitive areas just short of blowing her out of the sky and leaving her crippled and leaking radiation, able to escape the reliant's destruction by genesis wave, and then sent to space dock for inspection and likely decommissioning, but before that could happen, was stolen by the enterprise bridge crew to rescue spock and give him back his katra from mccoy, which they do, but not before an encounter with klingons that killed kirk's son, they didn't have any security or weapons and the ship was crippled as it was after the khan battle, so it couldn't take on a bird of pray, so kirk surrendered, set the enterprise to self destruct, beamed to the BOP, and took it over. when they flew back to earth, the whale probe was wreaking havok, they figured out they needed whales, went back to 1980's san fransisco, retrieved whales , helped a guy invent transparent aluminum so they could store the whales aboard with the water required, found some nuclear isotopes to recrystallize the dilithium to fix the engines, and went home, the whales solved the problem, and everyone was given commondation, and the USS Yorktown which was crippled severely by the whale probe (and likely lost life support killing it's crew) was given to kirk with special dispensation to change her name to USS Enterprise ncc-1701-a, and give Scotty a HUUUUUGE job in refitting her damaged systems which never seemed to work nearly as well as the systems aboard the ncc-1701 despite a very similar design lineage.
Wait where did we use the A and call it the refit?? I did not see that in there! Did we miss it?
@@GiantFreakinRobot 0:05 in the intro you reference "the enterprise and it's refit" and the enterprise a is on screen. I'm not out to snipe at anybody though, I really like this content, and I look forward to more. please keep up the awesome work! - I've been really curious as to what was going on the the E for a while :D
Good eye! We grabbed the wrong image from our library. Whoops! Good catch. Didn't notice the little bitty A on it til you pointed it out.
@@GiantFreakinRobot my normal viewing experience is 3’ from a 48” 4k lg cx oled at my desk. ;)
Guys… it’s a failed firmware update. Or Worf installed a beta firmware.
With the animated stuff we could get that movie give it to use even animated
I’d be in!
Yeah….
Umm…
I have questions …..
😣🧐😳
Ask away! What are they?
How did bones live so long in the trek universe?
Could be that they tried the phase cloak and it's part phased into a asteroid
Simple, anything Star Trek post Enterprise series paramount didn’t give a crap about
there was only one ship that was classed as a he and that was the Bismarck
Maybe the E is stuck in a spatial anomaly.
Possibly!
Awesome! I love the Enterprise E to pieces! It is my favorite ship of all the Enterprises. I am really hoping we will see her again. Perhaps in an epic fashion, just as we saw the Enterprise D return in Picard Season 3. I have a tribute video to the old girl, here: th-cam.com/video/gukKpr2m6qE/w-d-xo.html
The Enterprise E was scrapped though
What about its appearance in prodigy?
That wasn’t Krillar so it could not have died there
Was rubbish to end the E off screen in Picard.
So what happened to the enterprise e shown in star trek prodigy
Survived since that was not Krillar.
I hated the E until Nemesis.
Most screen time? Is this not the refit enterprise (no A, B, etc) rather than the E?
No. The refit got 2.5 movies. The E got 3.
The E was in prodigy season one
And damaged but no evidence it was destroyed.
😊😊nice
Thank you so much 😀
@@GiantFreakinRobot huge star trek fan 😊
He encountered control
Who did?
More likely he encountered Chaos.
If we had a nickel for everytime Terry replaced a legacy name ship with the Titan-A, we'd have two nickels; which isn't a lot, but it's weird it happened twice. (in the same season no less.)
I like that the Titan sort of earned the Enterprise name, but would have been better if it had been some other ship, maybe one with a bad rep that redeemed itself and earned a better name.
Nah….huge white antimatter fireball
It is refreshing and I am thankful to you for NOT caving to the woke. A ship will ALWAYS be referred to as SHE/HER. Hmmm...I guess those are pronouns! 😄
Enterprise E was destroyed in Star Trek Prodigy. Word was probably in command then.
No proof of that, but it is possible
@@GiantFreakinRobot No but that is the closest good explanation for. Why put E in the show? This would or always explain why Worf says that was not my fault.
There was a Sovereign class with the NCC-1701-E registry in the battle with the Living Construct. This is confirmed on Memory Alpha, so she was there, it doesn't necessarily mean that was her last ride. Though honestly that's a good an end as any. And certainly not Worf's fault.
The incident on prodigy wasn't a classified mission, whixh the Enterprise e was on when it was lost
What if it was just stolen?
Kirk was dead by then
This took far to long to get to the point. All the other stuff was cool but not necessary for this video
You remind off a jeep!
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This AI crap is terrible
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Systems virus
Star ships don't have pronouns it may identify as male
Nope. They are all ladies.
@@GiantFreakinRobot Hence the words Mothership and sister ship.
To be fair: referring to ships using female pronouns is traditional in English-speaking countries, but not everywhere. English nouns don't have gender, as in other languages.
For example, in German, "the ship" translates to "das Schiff." "Das" is the pronoun for neuter nouns - in other words, "it" (as opposed to "he" or "she.").
That being said, I like the tradition. 🤷🏼♂️
Great, pronouns. Ew.
My question is...did the teddy bear the little girl dropped during the stardrive evacuation survive the explosion in Generations??? TREKKIES MUST KNOW!!! LOL