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For Integrated graphics benchmarks you should not use timespy or similar synthetic tests, the arc graphics are known to have quite high scores relative to their actual performance in real games. You can run it sure but you shouldn't draw a conclusion from it until we see intel arc or future xe2 giving more realistic scores.
@@kanishkbanker It's an understandable oversight since it's not really a gaming device, but better data can always be had through process improvements.
@@kanishkbanker While the UI is awful, Notebookcheck does a fair number of game benchmarks and you can get comparison numbers if you dig through the UI enough. On the dozen games or so where there's Radeon 890M and MTL Arc numbers, the 890M wins by an average 29%. They don't have any 880M numbers yet, but I think it'd be safe to expect in real world gaming for the 880M to match/beat the current Intel Arc iGPUs (Lunar Lake is supposed to bring a big uplift and might make Intel about neck and neck again).
In real games the 880m will DESTROY xe2 and beat Arc. Maybe just pick 4 popular games - see "eta prime" l's outstanding video seties for ideas (cyberpunk, red dead, forza, cs:go?)
I'm highly skeptical anything is going to be much better than the 880m in games any time soon. Everything is bandwidth limited. They're either going to need much faster memory, which they won't do because of power use; or more memory channels, which they won't do because it's a large expense for niche use cases. I think they may reconsider adding memory channels, especially with the popularity of gaming handhelds. Strix Halo is supposed to have 4 channels, but those are also for higher power devices, the kind that would have a 4060 now).
i applaud you for your video format because the beginning of your videos are like a journal's abstract in that it contain the noteworthy highlights of the content at large but those who enjoy or are interested in going over the details can simply get them by continuing to watch the rest of the video
5:35 I believe that leaning the screen at 180° is more useful as some sort of docking mode where the laptop would be below the monitor and it's keyboard and trackpad could still be used
Or when you're half sitting/laying down with your knees bent and the laptop on your lap. The standard max angle makes the screen point down towards my chest instead of my eyes.
Nowadays, most laptops come with a soldered ram and that means no ability for repair or upgrade. This should be taken into consideration. You pay a lot of money for something, in case needed, cannot be repaired. Most reviewers fail (?) to mention that.
4:23 can you please test some actual games instead of just synthetics? Synthetics tend to favor Intel while actual performance in games actually favors amd. Real world gaming performance is often not reflected by the synthetics.
At configuration, start mentioning max support for SSD for clarity. Most retailers don't show this information. One might by a 2tb SSD to upgrade , only to find out max support is 1tb.
I'd much rather have a Zen 5 desktop over Intel 13 and 14th gen desktop. Also I am waiting for the 9800x3d. Already have a 5800x3d. Zen 5 desktop still offers better performance per watt than Intel.
@Garrus-w2h Not sure what review outlet you are referring to. But whatever. Single core is up 15% - 20% depending on the application while iGPU is up 10% - 30% depending on 880m or 890m and power limits. 890m better at lower power limits.
Quick question, if the Zenbook 14 (Intel Core Ultra 9 185H) and Vivobook S 14 (AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX 370) were at the exact same price point and both with 32GB RAM and 1TB SSD, which one would be the better option?
Im not sure about the efficiency testing method you're using (whether its amd, intel or apples M chips.) Where is the baseline for efficiency? How does torturing the processor show efficiency when youre just running at full power? Wouldn't a script that does different tasks on a machine be better? If the baseline is the M3, explain how the Qualcomm and Intel chips improved performance in a 10minute loop of Cinebench and every othe processor lost performance? Genuinely trying to understand
@@malathomas6141 If the team knows what the baseline is, then it needs to appear at the top of the graph. The baseline is 100% and you measure sustained power over the loop on all devices, and divide by the # of loops to get a sense of where they are at. There has to be a ~percentile where the windows devices start throttling, and you have to take that into account. M3 is the exception, because rarely will it throttle.
Honestly for a thin and light laptop that I would take with me on the go, I just can't justify buying something like this because of the poor trackpad. It literally just ruins the whole experience of using it as a laptop and is one of the reasons why I've stuck to MacBooks for so long. I"m glad Microsoft put a haptic touchpad on the surface and I've seen a few other manufacturers doing it as well. It's time to ditch the old crappy hinge design for good.
I am too. Windows trackpads are complete dealbreakers for me. The exception now is the surface laptop. Tried it at best buy and the trackpad is amazing. 98% of a MacBook's. I wish manufacturers would focus on this more.
@@tissuewizardiv5982 It's incredible to me that such a crucial part of the laptop experience is just ignored on 99.9% of laptops that aren't MacBooks. I just really don't get it.
I sometimes ask myself if apple holds a patent or something on their speakers and trackpad. They've been making them for years and almost no one thought of matching them? They're so satisfying to use
In my experience, the trackpads on higher end Dell, Asus, and Surface laptops are actually better than on a MacBook. I use a MacBook most of the time, but the trackpad is not even in the top 10 reasons why. That said, this is Asus' lower end model, so it might be bad.
@@ivanbrasla That's a fair question. Seems weird that PC laptops have been slouching on touchpads for all this time, but I suppose it comes down to them not caring enough. We have good haptics touchpads from Sensel now, so I'm waiting for them to make their way into more laptops.
I'm a bit confused by the new AMD AI HX300 series. Is it similar to intel core ultra series? Where the AI HX series is just an equivalent series of processor for a different demographic as the Ryzen 8000 series processors that released this year as well? I don't see the point in the new chips, other than the 880M graphics, which I feel should've been in the 8000 series chips
@@israellewis5484 I understand how they're different, but wouldn't it make more sense for AMD to delay the release of Ryzen AI HX chips since its release is so close to 8000 series. I presume they wanna release AI HX and 9000 desktop series chips together since they're both zen 5 cores with rDNA 3.5 graphics, but does this mean the AI HX name will be the name for mobile Ryzen chips from now on? Or will it be like intel, with intel i5/i7/i9 and intel core 5/7/9 together?
@@supremacy98 I have no idea. AMD does have a built in NPU into Ryzen AI now for Windows 11. It is a useful tool, but it does take up space on the die. I'm not sure if they were forced into it because of Co-Pilot. But the naming scheme, might stay for a while
@@israellewis5484 hmm so does Ryzen 8000 series, nowhere as many TFLOPs as Ryzen AI HX but still. Yeah, could be to satisfy CoPilot+ compatibility, but I heard one Ryzen AI HX model from Asus has the necessary TFLOPs but the feature isn't available on it LOL
yes. No way that's a more than 800 bucks laptop. Everything you really need as a laptop user sucks: keyboard, track pad, webcam. And btw did I get it right that I can only connect 1 display if I wanna charge at the same time?
@@lowcartographer But the 8845HS versions only has 16 GB of RAM, while this one has 24 GB. There probably is also a (probably only small) performance difference on the graphics side. It would be interesting to see what difference those NPUs make in software that actually uses them, like for example DaVinci Resolve.
These new AMD APUs are only a minor improvement over the previous generation, mostly in power use. Not worth paying a premium for them since there are so many good laptops with the 8845HS out.
Those Point per Watt results were very disappointing. We’d been led to expect a considerable uplift in efficiency over Raptor Lake. I expect this will be discounted soon in the US as Vivobooks without dGPUs are usually under a $1,000. The next Zenbook 14 and 14X should typically be much better quality along with a higher price. I wonder if these are going to be Lunar Lake exclusives however? 🤔
I think Asus figured out they can eke out more margin by making this a Vivobook and selling at Zenbook pricing. Honestly Zen 5 laptops these days make Macbooks look like bargain.
@@lowcartographer I think that’s true especially as they did exactly the same thing for the Snapdragon launch too. 😏 However it’s early days and I think between now and the end of 2025 there’s plenty of time for many different product SKUs to be launched into all or some of the different markets. Remember this is AMD we’re talking about. These guys usually give us the thinnest of paper launches for their mobile parts and often they were unobtanium as OEMs barely specced them in most laptops anyway. All we got was Intel heat generators instead. Hopefully Zen 5 will change all that for good. 🤞
Have you considered reviewing the Vivobook S16 with 370 processor, 32 GB RAM, and 1TB SSD? It is sold at Microcenter and seems to be better overall compared to the S14.
2 questions, is the WiFi chip actually upgradable? And how would you compare this to the hp omnibook ultra with the amd 365? I view that as the main competitor
Can you guys also cover a use case where in we buy a windows laptop and have to do a clean windows install due to some reason, does the performance still hold up the same?
may I request some other criterias for battery testing please.? 1) overnight drain when in sleep and hibernate 2) going into sleep & hibernate while the device is plugged and unplugged I ask this because I have observed on a friends snapdragon Asus s15 vs Asus s14 zen 5 AMD that these devices have comparable battery life but when going in and out of classes and going into sleep and hibernate has been buggy in x86 versions while on snapdragon they *mostly just work
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I bought this laptop due to Zen 5. However, I had to use a box cutter to remove the center screw, because it is covered, to upgrade the SSD. Also I am finding I need to fix the GPU memory to 4GB or have screen flicker issues. It also would have been nice to have a BIOS setting to set the RGB keyboard backlight to white.
I usually absolutely love your reviews, so please take what I'm about to say with that in mind... "Especially since the center screw on the back does not appear to be easily removable, if at all. So, even if the hard drive, and the WiFi card are upgradable, it's not something we'd recommend for the average user." - well which one is it? This is really a useless and misleading statement. Just state that the device is difficult to disassemble/open, but don't state that it's not removable. At any rate. Do you happen to know if the AI-300 are going to come to the Vivobook Pro series? I just got the Zephyrus G16 with the HX370, but feel like the 240hz screen is kind-of a waste for a 4060/4070 in most games. I'd much rather have the 3.2k @ 120hz screen, all things otherwise being equal. The text fringing/quality at 100% scaling is just really rough on the Zephyrus.
That is a very fair comment. Taken on board. Yeah there were some fine tuning on this one. Like we didn't explain clearly enough that the advantages of Zen 5 are mainly at lower wattage
@@JustJoshTech, yeah, it's awesome running things in silent and getting performance that's relatively close to normal/performance. Could NEVER do that one on Intel, haha!
its not that great of a laptop anyway apparently trackpad isnt good, and edges may cut into hands. And that already makes it unpleasant to use combined with so so battery life (certainly no 16 hours plus) and apparently not a great efficient implementation of zen5 makes it a bit sad
I am looking for a laptop for me as a new CS student and I was originally going to buy a 14 inc 12CPu 18Gpu 18Gb 1TB macbook pro but then I saw i9 Ultra 32Gb 1TB Zenbook 14 and I am scared of the comments I read about it regarding fan noise, heat and notch coming off but now you are advertising a vivobook with similar specs. What should I do? I won't be changing it for 5 years if I don't make money while studying and I will be majoring on ML too. Please help!!!
As a sophomore, i'd recommend to take macbook pro, because its generally the best experience which you could receive from laptops. In our company all devs use mac pro 14' or 16' and there just no regrets about it
@@rexfr1 I don't kmow it is better than the 9 Ultra but it would be better to be able to buy it. Since it isn't available in Turkey for now, I am not able to access it.
I have been waiting for this laptop review I could only find one review it seems really good but expensive on sale it could be a great deal in my region only the hx 370 model is available for €1599
Good laptop screen for entertainment, good port selections, good Wi-Fi, good iGPU for light laptop gamers, and good CPU performance for programmers. It may not feel & look premium, but overall seems like a good laptop for roughly $1,200 USD.
There is a 32gb version avilable in Europe. Trying to decide between the s14 and the snapdragon based s15. They will be used for software development, so gaming performance isn't a consideration... Oh the choice!
Snapdragon and software development sounds like you're looking to increase difficulty level. WSL2 does solves some of the problems. There's an Alex Ziskind video on dev setup on Snapdragon you should checkout before you embark on that path.
Really nice review Josh. These initial zen5 offerings are losing tons of sales offering just too little RAM, this vivo included. In 2024, 32 gigs should be base config IF you can upgrade RAM, since they refuse, 32 gigs is not enough if user expects this relevant more than a year or two, on soldered RAM, 64 gigs should be the least anyone considers. My year 7 old zen1 now has 32 gigs of RAM, there's no way I'll buy a new laptop with 32 gigs. At one time, RAM was prohibitive, you bought the least possible with eye to expand as prices went down, that's what I did with my zen 1. Before anyone claims "depends on what you need" that's not what it depends on, excess RAM gets cached so it becomes as everything loads as if your hard drive is as fast as RAM,, (it is when everything"s in cache) Right now I have 7 gigs ram actually being used, windows cached 23 gigs of my most used files into RAM so it's not wasted, EVERYONE can use more ram, whether or not they put it under pressure Now RAM is cheap as water, there's no reason these companies are soldering these boards with less than 32 gigs, EXCEPT to make people buy again in 2 years Here's how they get peeps like myself buying now: Slots for RAM, period, we don't need the marginal speed delta soldering might give, desktops continue havling slots for reasons! If companies insist on solder, give at least one extra port for added RAM so the USER decides if they care more for the slight RAM latency added with the slotted ram. They're losing business with this soldered bull. We DON'T want thin over better cooling, the time laptops were too thick is 10 years ago, my 7 year old 2in1 is thinner than I care about. And really Josh, 'fan noise" is not a thing, nobody ever hears my fan running full on when I'm in public, and I don;t ever notice even alone editing in solitude of my home. If you're not on a gamer, the noise these things produce is not a thing for anyone but Apple users extoling imaginary benefits to justify their over priced hardware. Zen 5 supports over 200 gigs, what is wrong with these under equipped OEMs? I know what, they want you buying new in 2 years, that's what Thanks for this review, I keep watching to find something with either slots or at least 64 gigs ram
This is a Vivobook, what's the point in cramming so much RAM when this series is already cutting costs on cheap keyboard, trackpads and overall build. There'll be ThinkPads and Frameworks for the very few who actually need that much RAM and willing to put money on that table.
Lowcart, what do you mean, "what's the point" I demonstrated the point, having more customers, more profit higher margins, simple stuff, ya? They pay less than customers for RAM, they can charge market price or even a little higher, realizing Superior profit margins. There's no cramming for more ram, plenty of room, my 7 year old mid range laptop, ($620 us) has 32 gigs of ram, taking the same space as when it had 12 gigs from factory. More customers, that's, with this there is no doubt, I'm not buying anything with less than 64 gigs and won't do that on a soldered rammed motherboard Framework is over priced, when you need to replace motherboard for a new CPU that mobo cost more than buying a new laptop with the nertr CPU and more modern hardware In 2024, 32 gigs ram is not overbuild, I was shopping a zen4 Asus with outstanding hardware, outperforming the best Qualcomm, $800 dollars, 40 gigs ram, waited fpr zen 5 to find they're dressing these with 2 year old RAM configuration. That's losing customers Not buying till they have reasonable levels of RAM
Just got it for $999 in Micro center, really powerful chip, much faster than the Intel H155 laptops. Other than that, no advantage, just a normal laptop, battery life is similar to H155 laptops.
@@tonyd7644 The trackpad is crappier than any trackpad I have used, high friction to your finger; By the way it is on sale for $899 in microcenter, very good price. Sometimes the laptop stucks after a few hours use, and I guess it is due to AMD's driver's issues. Hopefully they will fix it through updates.
Power efficiency looks crappy 😢. Much worse than Snapdragon and on pair with Intel, both under heavy load and on average use battery life. Is it just me, OR someone else also noticed that reviewers say that this Ryzen AI has great efficiency, but numbers say it is not that good?
False; see the pro art px13 power graphs from josh!. This chip beats snapdragon! This laptop design has 2x the fan that it needs and wastes power on fans ..
Hello sir I am from india. I am starting college this year. I am a computer science student and need a laptop for programming, coding and for some casual gaming on the side. Please the one available in India.
It's almost like the instruction set used to design a CPU micro architecture isn't the deciding factor over power efficiency. What a mind blowing discovery.
Hey y'all just a PSA never buy an HP laptop the butterfly keyboards will break after light use and they're impossible to repair, garbage anti-consumer design
At 1200$: 1) Bad Keyboard 2) Bad Trackpad 3) Bad Camera 4) Bad Sound 5) Bad Overall Build Quality extra thought : 1) Destroyed in Efficiency & Noise by MacBook Air. 2) Almost Same CPU performance with MacBook but destroyed when talking about GPU. 3) Worse Graphics even than Intel Arc. Verdict Give 200$ more and get a MacBook Air (16GB) or Surface like build quality laptop.
@@JustJoshTech but hey is not that bad actually. Next year things will be interesting. Keep up. Ill be looking for your reviews. Need to buy a good laptop soon.
If it's because of the warranty issues, I'd reconsider. Most of the coverage of it is drastically overstated. In the case of Gamers Nexus, Steve crossed the line into slander with how poorly he handled the situation.
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For Integrated graphics benchmarks you should not use timespy or similar synthetic tests, the arc graphics are known to have quite high scores relative to their actual performance in real games. You can run it sure but you shouldn't draw a conclusion from it until we see intel arc or future xe2 giving more realistic scores.
I don't know about that but yeah, refining the process is a good thing. I hope they can include a game benchmark or two for clarity.
@@kanishkbanker It's an understandable oversight since it's not really a gaming device, but better data can always be had through process improvements.
@@kanishkbanker While the UI is awful, Notebookcheck does a fair number of game benchmarks and you can get comparison numbers if you dig through the UI enough. On the dozen games or so where there's Radeon 890M and MTL Arc numbers, the 890M wins by an average 29%. They don't have any 880M numbers yet, but I think it'd be safe to expect in real world gaming for the 880M to match/beat the current Intel Arc iGPUs (Lunar Lake is supposed to bring a big uplift and might make Intel about neck and neck again).
In real games the 880m will DESTROY xe2 and beat Arc. Maybe just pick 4 popular games - see "eta prime" l's outstanding video seties for ideas (cyberpunk, red dead, forza, cs:go?)
I'm highly skeptical anything is going to be much better than the 880m in games any time soon. Everything is bandwidth limited. They're either going to need much faster memory, which they won't do because of power use; or more memory channels, which they won't do because it's a large expense for niche use cases.
I think they may reconsider adding memory channels, especially with the popularity of gaming handhelds. Strix Halo is supposed to have 4 channels, but those are also for higher power devices, the kind that would have a 4060 now).
i applaud you for your video format because the beginning of your videos are like a journal's abstract in that it contain the noteworthy highlights of the content at large but those who enjoy or are interested in going over the details can simply get them by continuing to watch the rest of the video
Upfront honest and no click bait.
5:35 I believe that leaning the screen at 180° is more useful as some sort of docking mode where the laptop would be below the monitor and it's keyboard and trackpad could still be used
Or when you're half sitting/laying down with your knees bent and the laptop on your lap. The standard max angle makes the screen point down towards my chest instead of my eyes.
Nowadays, most laptops come with a soldered ram and that means no ability for repair or upgrade. This should be taken into consideration. You pay a lot of money for something, in case needed, cannot be repaired. Most reviewers fail (?) to mention that.
Plz consider reviewing Asus zeprus g16(with new zen 5)
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Thanks for the review, Josh & Team. I've bought this Vivobook S14 recently and I am very happy with it. Your videos helped me a lot with the decision.
4:23 can you please test some actual games instead of just synthetics? Synthetics tend to favor Intel while actual performance in games actually favors amd. Real world gaming performance is often not reflected by the synthetics.
Fax
At configuration, start mentioning max support for SSD for clarity. Most retailers don't show this information. One might by a 2tb SSD to upgrade , only to find out max support is 1tb.
I see this as a demonstration of what zen5 can do in a normal sized Ultrabook. Will wait for better deals
Agreed. Cannot wait for fully fledged builds with proper cooling.
Zen 5 Mobile takes the Dub while Zen 5 Desktop takes the L.
No it doesn't
@@meowritz seems like a yes
@Garrus-w2h Big improvement in both single and multicore due to IPC and core count gains. Unfortunately AMD does not increase core count on desktop.
I'd much rather have a Zen 5 desktop over Intel 13 and 14th gen desktop. Also I am waiting for the 9800x3d. Already have a 5800x3d. Zen 5 desktop still offers better performance per watt than Intel.
@Garrus-w2h Not sure what review outlet you are referring to. But whatever. Single core is up 15% - 20% depending on the application while iGPU is up 10% - 30% depending on 880m or 890m and power limits. 890m better at lower power limits.
The contrast of Zen 5 on mobile (great) compared to desktop (lackluster) is astonishing
Desktop performance matters little in a mobile world. That's where the revenue is for everything except servers.
can u review the yoga pro 7 with ryzen 7 8845hs and igpu also which one is better the yoga pro 7 or ideapad pro 5 with same specs
Quick question, if the Zenbook 14 (Intel Core Ultra 9 185H) and Vivobook S 14 (AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX 370) were at the exact same price point and both with 32GB RAM and 1TB SSD, which one would be the better option?
of course AMD YES
AMD much better
Im not sure about the efficiency testing method you're using (whether its amd, intel or apples M chips.)
Where is the baseline for efficiency?
How does torturing the processor show efficiency when youre just running at full power?
Wouldn't a script that does different tasks on a machine be better?
If the baseline is the M3, explain how the Qualcomm and Intel chips improved performance in a 10minute loop of Cinebench and every othe processor lost performance?
Genuinely trying to understand
His cpu benchmarks are lacking so disappointing
@@malathomas6141 If the team knows what the baseline is, then it needs to appear at the top of the graph.
The baseline is 100% and you measure sustained power over the loop on all devices, and divide by the # of loops to get a sense of where they are at.
There has to be a ~percentile where the windows devices start throttling, and you have to take that into account. M3 is the exception, because rarely will it throttle.
Another wonderful review!! Though I do miss the "Tech Family" intro from your older videos though lol.
I'll chuck one in for you!
Can you review the G16 with this chip? I can’t find any reviews on it (that are not sponsored)
We are doing that for sure. Next week should be out
@@JustJoshTech thank you, do you think the G14 will get it (with the 370) it might help with the heat issues a bit
Where is the Linux compatibility section?
Great video but some graphs are still too fast to watch without pausing the video
Honestly for a thin and light laptop that I would take with me on the go, I just can't justify buying something like this because of the poor trackpad. It literally just ruins the whole experience of using it as a laptop and is one of the reasons why I've stuck to MacBooks for so long. I"m glad Microsoft put a haptic touchpad on the surface and I've seen a few other manufacturers doing it as well. It's time to ditch the old crappy hinge design for good.
I am too. Windows trackpads are complete dealbreakers for me. The exception now is the surface laptop. Tried it at best buy and the trackpad is amazing. 98% of a MacBook's. I wish manufacturers would focus on this more.
@@tissuewizardiv5982 It's incredible to me that such a crucial part of the laptop experience is just ignored on 99.9% of laptops that aren't MacBooks. I just really don't get it.
I sometimes ask myself if apple holds a patent or something on their speakers and trackpad. They've been making them for years and almost no one thought of matching them? They're so satisfying to use
In my experience, the trackpads on higher end Dell, Asus, and Surface laptops are actually better than on a MacBook. I use a MacBook most of the time, but the trackpad is not even in the top 10 reasons why.
That said, this is Asus' lower end model, so it might be bad.
@@ivanbrasla That's a fair question. Seems weird that PC laptops have been slouching on touchpads for all this time, but I suppose it comes down to them not caring enough. We have good haptics touchpads from Sensel now, so I'm waiting for them to make their way into more laptops.
Finally another review of this laptop!
Only one review of it for over a week
I'm a bit confused by the new AMD AI HX300 series. Is it similar to intel core ultra series? Where the AI HX series is just an equivalent series of processor for a different demographic as the Ryzen 8000 series processors that released this year as well? I don't see the point in the new chips, other than the 880M graphics, which I feel should've been in the 8000 series chips
Ryzen 8000 is refreshed Zen4 and Zen3 parts.
Ryzen AI HX is Zen5(c) and a refreshed rdna3.
@@israellewis5484 I understand how they're different, but wouldn't it make more sense for AMD to delay the release of Ryzen AI HX chips since its release is so close to 8000 series. I presume they wanna release AI HX and 9000 desktop series chips together since they're both zen 5 cores with rDNA 3.5 graphics, but does this mean the AI HX name will be the name for mobile Ryzen chips from now on? Or will it be like intel, with intel i5/i7/i9 and intel core 5/7/9 together?
@@supremacy98 I have no idea.
AMD does have a built in NPU into Ryzen AI now for Windows 11. It is a useful tool, but it does take up space on the die. I'm not sure if they were forced into it because of Co-Pilot.
But the naming scheme, might stay for a while
@@israellewis5484 hmm so does Ryzen 8000 series, nowhere as many TFLOPs as Ryzen AI HX but still. Yeah, could be to satisfy CoPilot+ compatibility, but I heard one Ryzen AI HX model from Asus has the necessary TFLOPs but the feature isn't available on it LOL
If a larger screen is not an issue, ZenBook S16 is a much better buy for bit more money
Testing efficiency without setting baseline performance target is meaningless.
5:35 😅😅. Curious why oems still make the hinges to go that far back?
Is it just me, or does this not seem to be worth $300 more than the Intel one?
thats seems the case
yes. No way that's a more than 800 bucks laptop. Everything you really need as a laptop user sucks: keyboard, track pad, webcam. And btw did I get it right that I can only connect 1 display if I wanna charge at the same time?
It's the early adopter tax with the exclusivity. Even the Core Ultra Vivobook is overpriced. You'll get Zenbook with 8845HS at a lower price.
@@lowcartographer But the 8845HS versions only has 16 GB of RAM, while this one has 24 GB. There probably is also a (probably only small) performance difference on the graphics side. It would be interesting to see what difference those NPUs make in software that actually uses them, like for example DaVinci Resolve.
These new AMD APUs are only a minor improvement over the previous generation, mostly in power use. Not worth paying a premium for them since there are so many good laptops with the 8845HS out.
Those Point per Watt results were very disappointing. We’d been led to expect a considerable uplift in efficiency over Raptor Lake.
I expect this will be discounted soon in the US as Vivobooks without dGPUs are usually under a $1,000. The next Zenbook 14 and 14X should typically be much better quality along with a higher price. I wonder if these are going to be Lunar Lake exclusives however? 🤔
I think Asus figured out they can eke out more margin by making this a Vivobook and selling at Zenbook pricing. Honestly Zen 5 laptops these days make Macbooks look like bargain.
@@lowcartographer I think that’s true especially as they did exactly the same thing for the Snapdragon launch too. 😏 However it’s early days and I think between now and the end of 2025 there’s plenty of time for many different product SKUs to be launched into all or some of the different markets. Remember this is AMD we’re talking about. These guys usually give us the thinnest of paper launches for their mobile parts and often they were unobtanium as OEMs barely specced them in most laptops anyway. All we got was Intel heat generators instead. Hopefully Zen 5 will change all that for good. 🤞
Have you considered reviewing the Vivobook S16 with 370 processor, 32 GB RAM, and 1TB SSD? It is sold at Microcenter and seems to be better overall compared to the S14.
2 questions, is the WiFi chip actually upgradable? And how would you compare this to the hp omnibook ultra with the amd 365? I view that as the main competitor
Can the USB4 in this laptop support an external monitor with resolution 5120x2160 (5K2K) at 72Hz?
Can you guys also cover a use case where in we buy a windows laptop and have to do a clean windows install due to some reason, does the performance still hold up the same?
1700 euros in europe.. although we only get 32GB Ram option here.
may I request some other criterias for battery testing please.?
1) overnight drain when in sleep and hibernate
2) going into sleep & hibernate while the device is plugged and unplugged
I ask this because I have observed on a friends snapdragon Asus s15 vs Asus s14 zen 5 AMD that these devices have comparable battery life but when going in and out of classes and going into sleep and hibernate has been buggy in x86 versions while on snapdragon they *mostly just work
Why did you take down the Linus Tech Tips video?
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8:53 how many fans does it have? Sad that you skipped that part.
Just picked one up from Costco for $1000.00 (USD) that has 32gb memory and 1tb SSD. Hoping the trackpad isn't too bad.
That TouchPad is honestly a deal-breaker. It's probably some kind of material other than glass. And on a 1200 usd laptop!
I bought this laptop due to Zen 5. However, I had to use a box cutter to remove the center screw, because it is covered, to upgrade the SSD. Also I am finding I need to fix the GPU memory to 4GB or have screen flicker issues. It also would have been nice to have a BIOS setting to set the RGB keyboard backlight to white.
you can just go to windows settings, personalization, then dynamic lighting
@@EduardLevesque Still colorful during bootup.
So the SSD IS removable? Did you go from 512 to 1TB? And there are screen flicker issues? How did you increase the GPU memory?
@@tonyd7644 i went with the Asus Expertbook p5 instead. much better. 144hz with the new lunar lake core utra 258v
Wish this came with an IPS display option too.
Do yall suggest Zenbook S, Vivobook S, or Lenovo Slim 7i for a college student. Please help with any feedback, thank you!
Just for an FYI, this is not the best Zen 5 mobile chip. The top SKU has additional cores and threads and a larger GPU
Could it run solid works smoothly
Pen compatible or if any flip model with touch screen avail?
is the ssd upgradable?
I usually absolutely love your reviews, so please take what I'm about to say with that in mind...
"Especially since the center screw on the back does not appear to be easily removable, if at all. So, even if the hard drive, and the WiFi card are upgradable, it's not something we'd recommend for the average user." - well which one is it? This is really a useless and misleading statement. Just state that the device is difficult to disassemble/open, but don't state that it's not removable.
At any rate. Do you happen to know if the AI-300 are going to come to the Vivobook Pro series? I just got the Zephyrus G16 with the HX370, but feel like the 240hz screen is kind-of a waste for a 4060/4070 in most games. I'd much rather have the 3.2k @ 120hz screen, all things otherwise being equal. The text fringing/quality at 100% scaling is just really rough on the Zephyrus.
That is a very fair comment. Taken on board. Yeah there were some fine tuning on this one. Like we didn't explain clearly enough that the advantages of Zen 5 are mainly at lower wattage
@@JustJoshTech, yeah, it's awesome running things in silent and getting performance that's relatively close to normal/performance. Could NEVER do that one on Intel, haha!
I don't have news on the Vivobook Pro. I'll ask about
@@JustJoshTech - thank you, I really appreciate it!
In the US it's 1200$ whereas it's 1400€ in Germany. So unfair 😭
YES! it's so hard to buy a laptop in germany because the price is always higher
Remember that the 1200$ is without tax while European prices always include tax.
Germany has the EU's lowest retail prices.
You are still fine in Czech Republic it is for 1900 €
its not that great of a laptop anyway
apparently trackpad isnt good, and edges may cut into hands. And that already makes it unpleasant to use
combined with so so battery life (certainly no 16 hours plus) and apparently not a great efficient implementation of zen5 makes it a bit sad
another great video from the goat
This man said the Snapdragon X laptops' battery life is fake.
we want thinkpad T14s review
Idk, thinkpad with soldered ram seems like a bs
@@theworldoffun8997 It completely misses the point of ThinkPads.
@@theworldoffun8997 i like it because the drivers in openbsd work out of the box
I am looking for a laptop for me as a new CS student and I was originally going to buy a 14 inc 12CPu 18Gpu 18Gb 1TB macbook pro but then I saw i9 Ultra 32Gb 1TB Zenbook 14 and I am scared of the comments I read about it regarding fan noise, heat and notch coming off but now you are advertising a vivobook with similar specs. What should I do? I won't be changing it for 5 years if I don't make money while studying and I will be majoring on ML too. Please help!!!
As a sophomore, i'd recommend to take macbook pro, because its generally the best experience which you could receive from laptops. In our company all devs use mac pro 14' or 16' and there just no regrets about it
@@dream_break_er I know it is good but macbook pro is nearly the double the price of the alternative and I am just wondering if it is worth to get it
Amd version is better
@@rexfr1 I don't kmow it is better than the 9 Ultra but it would be better to be able to buy it. Since it isn't available in Turkey for now, I am not able to access it.
Hi, Josh. Can you please recommend to me the best laptop for work that has a good battery under $1000. Thanks.
Definitely not macbook unless you get used one with 16gb of ram
Ideapad Pro 5 14
the best CPU of year no doubt 🎉
6:18 "Compared to the best keyboards out there..." you say that but what laptop keyboards are you comparing this against?
Here are some top tier keyboards.... Spectre 14, Surface Laptop 7, ProArt P16
To the point and honest as always
When I looked at the battery graph, I was like... yeah, macbooks are still the king.
You should compare this notebook with Vivobook S14 with 8945 or equivalent. You are telling us a Ryzen 9 is better than Ryzen 7... damn pointless.
Surface Laptop 7... X Elite or X Plus?
I have a full video out comparing those 2 laptops, please watch it :)
so - the 185H *beats* the Ryzen in battery life ?
No. As stated in the video, that is likely due to the display's resolution differences. The Intel model has a more more power efficient panel
I have been waiting for this laptop review I could only find one review it seems really good but expensive on sale it could be a great deal in my region only the hx 370 model is available for €1599
Is it just me or this laptop doesn't seem to be better than zen 4 and meteor lake?
Wait till my g16 review this week. It will become very clear. At lower wattage i.e. Balanced performance mode Zen5 is way better
@@JustJoshTech Looking forward to it :)
Good laptop screen for entertainment, good port selections, good Wi-Fi, good iGPU for light laptop gamers, and good CPU performance for programmers. It may not feel & look premium, but overall seems like a good laptop for roughly $1,200 USD.
yep
There is a 32gb version avilable in Europe. Trying to decide between the s14 and the snapdragon based s15. They will be used for software development, so gaming performance isn't a consideration...
Oh the choice!
Snapdragon and software development sounds like you're looking to increase difficulty level. WSL2 does solves some of the problems. There's an Alex Ziskind video on dev setup on Snapdragon you should checkout before you embark on that path.
without the 890m graphic, just skip this model and buy the old one then
Really nice review Josh.
These initial zen5 offerings are losing tons of sales offering just too little RAM, this vivo included.
In 2024, 32 gigs should be base config IF you can upgrade RAM, since they refuse, 32 gigs is not enough if user expects this relevant more than a year or two, on soldered RAM, 64 gigs should be the least anyone considers.
My year 7 old zen1 now has 32 gigs of RAM, there's no way I'll buy a new laptop with 32 gigs.
At one time, RAM was prohibitive, you bought the least possible with eye to expand as prices went down, that's what I did with my zen 1.
Before anyone claims "depends on what you need" that's not what it depends on, excess RAM gets cached so it becomes as everything loads as if your hard drive is as fast as RAM,, (it is when everything"s in cache)
Right now I have 7 gigs ram actually being used, windows cached 23 gigs of my most used files into RAM so it's not wasted, EVERYONE can use more ram, whether or not they put it under pressure
Now RAM is cheap as water, there's no reason these companies are soldering these boards with less than 32 gigs, EXCEPT to make people buy again in 2 years
Here's how they get peeps like myself buying now:
Slots for RAM, period, we don't need the marginal speed delta soldering might give, desktops continue havling slots for reasons!
If companies insist on solder, give at least one extra port for added RAM so the USER decides if they care more for the slight RAM latency added with the slotted ram.
They're losing business with this soldered bull.
We DON'T want thin over better cooling, the time laptops were too thick is 10 years ago, my 7 year old 2in1 is thinner than I care about.
And really Josh, 'fan noise" is not a thing, nobody ever hears my fan running full on when I'm in public, and I don;t ever notice even alone editing in solitude of my home.
If you're not on a gamer, the noise these things produce is not a thing for anyone but Apple users extoling imaginary benefits to justify their over priced hardware.
Zen 5 supports over 200 gigs, what is wrong with these under equipped OEMs?
I know what, they want you buying new in 2 years, that's what
Thanks for this review, I keep watching to find something with either slots or at least 64 gigs ram
This is a Vivobook, what's the point in cramming so much RAM when this series is already cutting costs on cheap keyboard, trackpads and overall build. There'll be ThinkPads and Frameworks for the very few who actually need that much RAM and willing to put money on that table.
Lowcart, what do you mean, "what's the point"
I demonstrated the point, having more customers, more profit higher margins, simple stuff, ya?
They pay less than customers for RAM, they can charge market price or even a little higher, realizing Superior profit margins.
There's no cramming for more ram, plenty of room, my 7 year old mid range laptop, ($620 us) has 32 gigs of ram, taking the same space as when it had 12 gigs from factory.
More customers, that's, with this there is no doubt, I'm not buying anything with less than 64 gigs and won't do that on a soldered rammed motherboard
Framework is over priced, when you need to replace motherboard for a new CPU that mobo cost more than buying a new laptop with the nertr CPU and more modern hardware
In 2024, 32 gigs ram is not overbuild, I was shopping a zen4 Asus with outstanding hardware, outperforming the best Qualcomm, $800 dollars, 40 gigs ram, waited fpr zen 5 to find they're dressing these with 2 year old RAM configuration.
That's losing customers
Not buying till they have reasonable levels of RAM
@@lowcartographer Does the Zenbook 14" have a better trackpad?
I just bought a Zenbook 14. Then again, I don't want to spend $1000+ so I probably wouldn't have bought this anyway.
$1,000 is kind of like the base price for any decent laptop. The ASUS ones are cheap but they also feel cheap and have awful customer support
Just got it for $999 in Micro center, really powerful chip, much faster than the Intel H155 laptops. Other than that, no advantage, just a normal laptop, battery life is similar to H155 laptops.
Is the trackpad as crappy as they claim? I have a lower-end Dell laptop from 3 years ago and its trackpad sucks.
@@tonyd7644 The trackpad is crappier than any trackpad I have used, high friction to your finger; By the way it is on sale for $899 in microcenter, very good price. Sometimes the laptop stucks after a few hours use, and I guess it is due to AMD's driver's issues. Hopefully they will fix it through updates.
does it still stucks sometime??? @@SamD9999
Still M3 or M4. This doesn't change a thing
I need a ThinkPad T14 with Ryzen AI 9 chips.
24gb... It's a px13 in disguise
I'm kinda pissed at Asus and other makers nowadays that they ALL led the ram to the motherboard.
Power efficiency looks crappy 😢. Much worse than Snapdragon and on pair with Intel, both under heavy load and on average use battery life. Is it just me, OR someone else also noticed that reviewers say that this Ryzen AI has great efficiency, but numbers say it is not that good?
False; see the pro art px13 power graphs from josh!. This chip beats snapdragon! This laptop design has 2x the fan that it needs and wastes power on fans ..
I was gonna buy the zenbook zen5 AMD but the reviews were mostly negative and they had all heat issues is it actually that bad?
no not at all, but i would reccomend the vivobook s16 zen5 since the cpu can pull above 50watts compared to 30 on the zenbook
Price is high. It should be cheaper than a MacBook Air
Hello sir I am from india. I am starting college this year. I am a computer science student and need a laptop for programming, coding and for some casual gaming on the side. Please the one available in India.
1950 dollars here in czech republic....
apple still takes lead on battery
It's almost like the instruction set used to design a CPU micro architecture isn't the deciding factor over power efficiency. What a mind blowing discovery.
Vivobook sounds like an old radio compared to the apple device ...
Hey y'all just a PSA never buy an HP laptop the butterfly keyboards will break after light use and they're impossible to repair, garbage anti-consumer design
She sounds Dutch
Garbage pricing.
It is way to expensive! lol
Agreed. I should have been tougher in this video btw
Damn never been this early!!!!
At 1200$:
1) Bad Keyboard
2) Bad Trackpad
3) Bad Camera
4) Bad Sound
5) Bad Overall Build Quality
extra thought :
1) Destroyed in Efficiency & Noise by MacBook Air.
2) Almost Same CPU performance with MacBook but destroyed when talking about GPU.
3) Worse Graphics even than Intel Arc.
Verdict Give 200$ more and get a MacBook Air (16GB) or Surface like build quality laptop.
AMEN
The moment you said "decent battery life" i turned off. I knew it was going to suck.
Lol
@@JustJoshTech but hey is not that bad actually. Next year things will be interesting. Keep up. Ill be looking for your reviews. Need to buy a good laptop soon.
I am never buying anything ASUS!
If it's because of the warranty issues, I'd reconsider. Most of the coverage of it is drastically overstated. In the case of Gamers Nexus, Steve crossed the line into slander with how poorly he handled the situation.
You speak too fast, graphs disappears also too fast
Thanks a lot for the review, please check out Acer Swift Go 16 2023 Intel Core i7 13700H, 14C/20T, Iris Xe Graphics. I really want to hear your opinion on it
THE 370 version is better.
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