I remember using Farore's Wind a lot as a kid, actually. It was basically a two-way Homeward Bone; if a dungeon was giving me grief, I'd use it to make a warp point where I was, then leave the dungeon and come back when I had more fairies/magic/potions/items and be able to pick up right back where I left off. It wasn't game-breaking or anything, but it saved me a lot of time going through puzzles over and over.
See I don't remember it working as a two way homeward bone, I just remember it being a warp to the entrance of a dungeon from inside it. And I feel like there's never been a moment in a pre-BotW Zelda game where there's any reason to leave a dungeon in the middle of it. There's not really any resources you need to replenish from outside a dungeon besides fairies, and even then they aren't super rare in dungeons. I can't really think of any moment in a Zelda game, especially OoT, where the value of this spell jumped out at me, despite it clearly being good in the right setting
It can be game-breaking. Only in MQ, which honestly is kind of broken already but yeah. The Forest Temple twisted room has its default state inverted, so you can warp into the wall, it's great
@@Dwyer69nah it had some good value. In the water temple for example u could set it after leaving the door for the max water level. Allowing for instant access to max water level without having to back track through the dungeon in case you messed up and did it too soon
iirc you could actually just grab the main treasure from forest, then fire and then water temple (also ice cave i suppose) without fully completing any of them. I liked doing that for some reason (really just a massive waste of time compared to a full run through but i guess it really prepared me for doing randomizer runs)
Lemon: "I can't think of a reason to ever use Farore's Wind." Also Lemon: *has to leave multiple dungeons multiple times to restock items and get upgrades
It doesn't seem like the game really clarifies how Farore's Wind works. Maybe if Lemon had looked it up on a wiki (or just played around with it), he'd have gotten some use out of it, though.
Farores wind is one of the most useful items... It is very useful in some dungeons, I also only play OOT while on an elliptical and play for 30 mins at a time, dropping farores is extremely useful when my time is up and im deep in the dungeon. Drop it, save and quit till the next time.
Instead of spending 100 rupees on 10 sticks at the beginning, you can head into the lost woods, take two left turns and spend 40 rupees on a stick capacity upgrade, which also fills your sticks to capacity. That way, you get 20 sticks for less than half the cost of the 10.
If I remember right, the deku stick does indeed deal the same damage as a sword. It's just that it's the master sword, and not the kokiri sword, so you're basically dealing double damage during the child arc. Also jump attacks deal double damage again, so you're dealing 4 damage to the kokiri sword's standard of 1. 2 when jumping slashing.
And the biggoron sword does twice the damage of the master sword, meaning a jump attack with it does 8x the damage of a normal slash with the master sword
can not believe he didn’t know that that’s literally the most basic OOT knowledge… that’s when I realized I’m watching a moon that hasn’t played this game in years
Damage values are based on each of Link's hearts having 8HP. Kokiri Sword, Broken Deku Stick, and Broken Giant's Knife all do 4 damage. Master Sword and Deku Stick do 8 damage. Biggoron Sword and Unbroken Giant's Knife do 16 damage. This is specifically because Dark Link has the same HP as you do, which can vary depending on how many Heart Containers and Heart Pieces each player obtains in their adventure. This actually means that you can defeat Dark Link in 2 hits if you get the Biggoron Sword and don't collect any health upgrades. The opposite can also be true if you use glitches to get 20 hearts (160 HP) before fighting him or just cheat for max HP with GameShark codes.
I notice you missed a final "housekeeping" stop. Outside Ganon's castle there is a fairy fountain with a 0.5x damage taken upgrade. It gives you a white barrier around all your hearts and probably would have helped a bit in that last Ganon fight.
@@Greendawn-di3dl It's definitely one of the most pointless upgrades in Zelda history. It comes so late in the game that if you're good enough to get to it, you're good enough to beat the game without it.
If you rush the main story, you might have fewer hearts for not spending hours trying to get the heart pieces. Then it sure comes in handy.@@ScrambledAndBenedict
@@ScrambledAndBenedict I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be a power trip. Ganon might not be balanced for it, but he hits just hard enough but not so hard that it would make much of a difference. Turns the Iron Knuckles on the way up and back down into jokes though.
Love the video! Fun fact : The stick does the same damage has the mastersword, Nintendo forgot to lower its dmg value I guess. Another fun fact : Crouch poke damage value is based on the last Damage action you did. So if you first jump slash then crouch poke you can kill bosses very quickly hahaha.
As a few people have said, the increase in damage is balanced to durability. Save for the Giant's Knife, all sword are indestructible. You can spam swing them. The Deku sticks have limited durability and break after a few hits or so. Because of this, you can only use them so much. You have the ability for child Link to do as much damage as adult Link (aside from the Biggoron's Sword), but only as long as your supply of Deku sticks last. But yeah, they messed up the damage modifiers for crouch poking.
I mean, it goes all the way back to LoZ 2, where hiding in the corner and crouch poking was the best and cheesiest method to beating dark link, bar none.
@@ChaosPhoenix11 I'm from 2000 and played this game (actually Master Quest) a lot as a kid, on my brothers' saves, much to their chagrin. Since it was on an emulator, though, I usually did the "clicc funi buton to open game den pres buton to load saev haha" and didn't get to watch the intro, since all I knew how to do was loading savestates and running around. I still don't understand how or why I always went to the Shadow Temple, despite being ABSOLUTELY TERRIFIED of the Dead Hands. Really proud of myself whenever I felt brave enough to progress past some spooky room :D
Farores wind was SUPPOSED to be an Anti soft lock tool + a minor navigating aid I'm almost certain, like the Mirror in a link to the past, where it could help you by taking you back to the entrance of a dungeon, or to some set in Stone warp points. Turns out it's way better for WRONG WARPING ALL OVER HYRULE BABY!!!!!
The vanilla use of it is you use it, It creates a warp point at the last door you used, and then teleports you to the dungeon entrance. you can then use it again to warp back to the room in the dungeon saving time. I guess. Randomizers and some mods often have an option to let you use it to set a warp point anywhere. And yeah some glitches can change where it’s supposed to warp you too.
I... never went behind the Kokiri shop counter, like, I didn't know you could, and I played it back when it released and all the remakes/other versions... you never stop learning, huh? Thanks for that! (And the 30 seconds, those actually came at a really good time.)
Stick attack is actually twice as much damage as the Kokiri sword. Which is the same damage as the Master Sword. The child sections of the game are pretty trivial with enemies that were designed to be hit with the weak sword instead of the stick.
The first 30 seconds did more than give me nostalgia. It was genuinely comforting. It felt like I was back in a time where the only problems were figuring out what it was I was going to do after school. Simpler times.
Agreed, the nostalgia of this game hits you like a truck, I remember the fun times (like sneaking through the gerudo hideout for the first time, feeling like a ninja) and the bad times (trying to defeat Bongo Bongo without realising I had to use the specail boots and constantly losing) overall this was a fun game that I loved playing and defeating Ganon filled me with a lot of excitement.
Minish Cap would be interesting to see. In general it's up there for my favorite Zelda games, (I always prefered the 2D games to the 3D ones), but my favorites are the Oracle games, so I'd love to see him find a way to do a challenge run in those. Bonus points if he does both games, because then depending on which he does first, his route might be different.
Thank you for that 30 seconds of the uninterrupted opening. I didn't grow up with OoT, but today has been nothing short of a waking nightmare and that moment of calm was exactly what i needed to let myself cry it out and get things back under control.
my first 3 days of breath of the wild was annoying, but we all know after defeating the waterblight, getting the master sword and having 2 bars of stamina the game was super fun.
I remember playing this game a massive amount as a kid. I realized watching this I would use Farores Wind all the time by putting it at the beginning of every dungeon, just in case, but I rarely ever used it? Crazy nostalgia moment.
25:43 is one of the best use cases for Farore's Wind. If you fall off you can just cast it to set the warp point then cast it again to go back up to to room you just fell down from.
I always choose to get the free Hylian Shield from the Kakariko Graveyard. But I guess since its super quick to grind rupees, you might as well buy it. Also, I'm pretty sure that the Deku Sticks do the same damage as the Master Sword not the Kokiri Sword. That's why speedruners use the sticks as child Link.
@@egoalter1276 stick does the same damage as master sword AFAIK. Maybe you’re confusing the “memory manipulation” part with power crouch stab, a glitch that takes advantage of a crouch stab not having a defined damage value, which causes it to default to the last used damage value. This means for example if you swung kokiri sword normally before doing a crouch stab, it will deal 1 damage point, while if you used jump slash with kokiri sword before crouch stabbing you would deal 2 damage points
35:14 Here’s a tip for crossing the desert if you ever do another OOT challenge: Play the Song of Storms at night. You can see the flags silhouetted against the skybox whenever the lightning flashes Only way I could make it past that part when I was a kid lol
Another quicker way if you have magic: Doing a quickspin actually removes the storm temporarily and gives you full vision of the flags every time you spin at the cost of no magic. So you don't even need to play a song every time, you can just quickspin and go straight away to the next flag. Works both daytime and nighttime. Of course this couldn't be used without using the sword for this particular challenge, but it's good to know for crossing the desert in a future challenge.
I'd love to see more challenge runs for these older games,personally, they feel perfect for them since they where made when games where made to be alot more linear.
That opening theme hits my right in the feels. Remembered playing this gane with my mom, taking turns beating dungeons, following the strategy guide, etc.
Hearing the start up screen and hearing the music brought the absolute biggest grin on my face, like the the 7 year old in me waiting for my dad to come home from a long day a work. Jumping up and down when he got home to be picked up, have dinner then sit down and enact the N64 start up ritual. Just to play this game over and over again. This will never ever give me grief, I love this game and it will be my favorite game for all time!
Farore‘s wind was such a game changer! Failing to kill Bongo Bongo for the 20th time as a kid would honestly have made me quit the game if I had to run through the entire shadow temple every time. Spirit temple too. I just placed it in the room that held the boss door and saved before I entered the door.
I was 4 when this game came out. I remember having my cousin who was visiting from Maine (I lived and still live in Maryland) beat the child section of the game and getting to experience the whole new adult section which, 6-10 year old self, never got to see before in another game. It was magical and so fun it solidified my love of games. I'm glad Lemon is touching on this game since I still consume OoT content. All hail the patience golem
I grew up with my older brother's files available and just fucked around exploring a lot. I remember discovering enemies change based on whether you were young link or not by going to the forest area and the big beefy guy was replaced by dekus. Fond memories, those
Farore's Wind is extremely helpful in the water temple. You can use it to skip to either the top or bottom water level locations. There is also a scarecrow on the top water level location you can reach with the longshot.
The commentary is actual gold even tho im too young to have played the original this game is still nostalgic for me thx to the 3DS remakes making it my first zelda game
oh, that made me think of that crazy and lousy game "Daikatana", involving a magical sword that permits time travel. at one point someone says that hitting two "copies" of that sword together would cause a time paradox, but later they fence with them with no problem!
With how Lemon told some boss fights, and how I felt chills at certain moments, I kinda want to develop a darksouls-esque game just to watch Lemon play and tell his tale on the game... well first I have to learn to code
It's fitting to feel nostalgia for a game like this. I remember sitting Infront of my small square-back tv, half a metre away, and playing with a blanket around me to keep me warm when I was about 10 years old. It's a game about growing up, and it feels kind of sad about how simple times were when we were younger. But also how much we can do as adults. Which is a theme if the game. Truly, still a masterpiece in my eyes.
I have played this game literally hundreds of times. Got it day one as a child and I’ve been playing at my whole life. I’ve watched so many videos about this game. I’ve watched so many play through about this game. You would think I’d be bored with it by now, but dude you bring something new and fresh and funny and I love it.
Actually, the Speedrunning glitch used against Bongo Bongo probably wouldn't get around the no sword restriction. The ISG in the title of Sniping's video certainly refers to the Infinite Sword Glitch, which causes the Master Sword to basically be in a constant state of dealing damage. If you look at their video (or 44:10 in this video) you can actually see the impact flashes coming off from where it's hitting, showing that it is almost certainly the sword which is dealing damage, which I would assume is still against the rules of this run.
And the funny is thing is that you really don't, for the most part. Child Link can kill everything with sticks instead of a sword, and there're only three things Adult Link can't kill with the Megaton Hammer. To be honest, it's amazing what you can do swordless in this game.
@@jruler93 Just last two hits on Ganon. Crouch stabs are bugged to do the same exact damage as your previous attack. Entering a new area resets your previous attack, so crouch stab defaults to 1 damage. This hurts anything that sword would.
@@wompastompa3692 Well with that, you could circumvent the last few things you would need a sword for, if you let yourself swing the sword without hitting anything. Just jump slash away from the enemy with the Biggoron Sword and you can kill Dead Hand and Bongo Bongo with hammer crouch stabs; do the same with the Master Sword, and you could probably kill Ganon the same way.
@@jruler93 No, I'm saying you don't even need to swing the sword to defeat DH and BB. Uninitialized Power Crouch Stab does 1 damage that hurts them. Just enter their rooms and start crouch stabbing with hammer until you win. So long as you don't actually swing the hammer, there's no need to swing the sword.
@@wompastompa3692 Yeah, no, I do get what you were saying. But 1 damage is, like, what, equal to a Kokiri Sword swing? Jump slashing with the Biggoron Sword and using that damage in your crouch stabs would greatly expedite the fights.
As a Former OOT Speedrunner I enjoyed this quite a lot. And to your bongo dilemma: the only thing that comes to mind and what was used in snipings video is infinite sword glitch. It does however use sword damage to infinitely hit a thing. So I doubt that would’ve qualified for your challenge. Then again using glitches there is several methods to beat opt without a sword. If you want to see what oot speedrunners do for challenge runs check out the low% category, it’s insane. Love your videos as always lemon you are chill as heck and I always have a good time.
There's a nifty little trick that should actually fix BOTH of the times you broke the challenge. Crouch stabs have the rather unique property of storing the damage value and type of the previous attack, so if you jump attack with the master sword and then crouch stab with the hammer, it tricks the game into thinking you attacked with the master sword, and uses its jump attack value.
@@enlongjones2394 With the master sword and hammer there is little point. They do the same damage unfortunately, making the hammer just unwieldy with basically no benefit. As a kid doing a jump slash with the deku stick loads a master sword jump attack for kokiri sword stabs. As an adult, your only option to do more damage to load for stabs is the biggoron's sword, although the giants knife also works as long as its not broken. So you can jump attack nothing but air to load the damage.
Random fun fact: The Redeads in this game aren't actually undead. They're contructs animated by magic that LOOK undead. this means that after Ganondorf blew up the castle town, he put a bunch of Redeads there to make it look more foreboding.
The nostalgia will always be there. But I can't thank you enough for telling me to take a breath and just take the next 30 seconds in. Love you and your content. Keep it up!
Your commentary makes me want a story where the main protag actually believed his weapon of legend was not real. Just like this little piece, he goes through and does it the alternative way for everything, thinking he wasn’t worthy or not using thevrelic weapon or item. Essentially a dnd character who failed his lore check on an artifact of power.
Majora's Mask it should be pretty easy. You can pretty freely sequence break to get the Goron and Zora masks early, giving you free attacks. I don't think any enemies need to be hit with a sword specifically, and the Zora attacks even "cut". The only annoying part is that you're not going to be able to use owl statues. Ever. Gotta do Stone Tower, and ST Temple in one go.
I still get goosebumps when the ocarina of time titlescreen starts. So much nostalgia: my first game beaten to 100%. My first 3d Game. My first N64 Game which was the first console I could call my own. And last but not least Ocarina of time was the first game I bought myself.
Glad to see you finishing this run! The gameboy zeldas were the first for me, but then I borrowed OoT from a friend and really fell in love in a way that the gameboy games just couldn't. Then Majoras Mask followed , the Minish Cap for the GBA and Windwaker for the GC. I personally felt like we hit the peak with Twilight Princess for the Wii. I should really get Breath of the Wild huh...
I remember when I was a young child and I watched my day play this. I even remember going with my mother to buy Majora's Mask and a N64 expansion pack for his birthday.
I never knew I needed you playing this game until i saw it. been watching speedruns for ages so this is no surprise but I love the way you present information. Good stuff!
God the nostalgia from that opening had me feeling like a kid again, playing this game on the tv in the living room while my parents read behind me. I actually enjoyed the Twinrova fight so much as a kid that I made a separate save file right before the fight so I could load it up and fight them whenever I wanted...god I love this game
The glitch used to kill Bongo Bongo is the infinite sword glitch (ISG), which basically turns your sword into a lightsaber in that it damages enemies just by them touching it, even if it isn't being swung. I don't think it should be valid in a no sword run.
for people who do not know. the stick does the same dmg as the master sword. idk why but they are just as strong as the sword you use for most of the game
Something I remember from watching the vod of the stream, was that you kept throwing rocks and pots, but once you have the shield you can just press the shield button and drop the item. This would have let you pick up the drops faster. Just a small thing.
I feel like you're underestimating deku nuts. Stunning enemies (especially dark link, but as you learned, you need to aim a bit sideways) is pretty valuable, and on Barinade is actually kills the jellyfish (and also the soap bubbles, and also make all the flying mantas get up into the air). And Farore's wind is cool when you know the dungeons well enough and don't want to backtrack. It cuts the necessary amount of raising / lowering water in the water temple by a third, for instance. And it lets you immediately get back up to try to get the hammer again whenever you fall. 38:20 If you break a stick in mid-air, Link doesn't put it away like he usually does. So you can just continue swinging it (with slightly reduced range). You can make it happen at will by jump-attacking a wall at just the right distance. If I recall, that distance is exactly one backflip if the wall is perfectly vertical.
Though this was more a nostalgic than narrative "story", to this challenge run, I liked it. Was really fun to see a game from my childhood revisited and challenged run (don't think that's a verb🤔). Plus, your running commentary is always appreciated. Honestly Lemon, you could make the hunt for a toy at the bottom of a cereal box entertaining. Great Job Lemon! Don't be afraid to keep pumping more of these types of runs out. It was easy breezy fun and I for one am here for it.
The hookshot glitch said "with ISG" which is infinite sword glitch, it's done by interrupting a crouch stab with an action, such as picking up a bomb or talking to a gossip stone, the sword was what was doing damage to bongo bongo though, so it's a sword usage regardless, it should in theory be possible to beat bongo bongo using equip swap to use deku sticks as adult, or you can use other glitches to access and complete shadow temple as child, so it's still do-able with glitches.
this is the coolest challenge run ive ever seen. ive beaten this game and seen this game beaten soo many times over the years. never have i seen anyone use the hammer for real, or the magic fire ball, i think i did that once by accedent before, but possibly never?
I'm not gonna lie, I enjoyed this so much that I didn't even realize that it was almost an hour long. One of my favorite parts was the 30 seconds at the beginning with the title screen. Your commentary style is great though and I'm so glad TH-cam suggested your video. Keep up the amazing work! Looking forward to hopefully a Majora's Mask Video.
Oh the nostalgia, I had this game as a kid on the GameCube but I never finished I just replayed the starting level over and over again, I’m gonna let this man be my first play through
This was extremely soothing and fun. I do appreciate the variety this challenge run brings, it's nice to watch something unusual. Thank you lemon, really loved the video uwu
This was 1 of my childhood games alongside Crash Bandicoot, GoldenEye, Rayman, Banjo Kazooie, Spyro, Starfox 64, Super Mario 64, Mario Kart 64, and Final Fantasy VII
oh god. I hurt myself laughing WAY too much on this. His reaction to the great faerie.. same one I had. 'Uhm.. whats she wearing.. why is she so pointy... oh god, look too close your gonna poke an eye out'... They are still nightmare inducing. This is WAY too much for me.. I'm loving it.
Farores wind can also be used to warp in the water temple, allowing you to teleport back to the entrance which can save you some time going from point A. To point B. Then back to A. So when you need to reset the water level woth out climbing up or going through the entire temple.
It was useful in the fire temple in case you fell off the spiral staircase to get the megaton hammer. Also was kind of useful in the room where you had to free the goron on the second floor of the rock maze in case you fell off. Other than that, Forore's wind is fairly useless outside of bugs and glitching.
The thought that someone has never played OoT or even heard of it is like a waking nightmare. I picked up on the game through my mom's love for it, she would always beat the Shadow Temple for me cause the hand scared me so much, so the game was always part of me. It's weird to think someone would have no idea about it even existing somehow.
The only Zelda game I've played is a link to the past. I went and got a Playstation and haven't played nintendo ever since. I might buy am N64 to try this game out. I've heard of some people even claiming ocarina of the time is slightly better than link to the past. I can't imagine that to be true but I'll find out possibly this weekend
@@priestesslucy I bought a shield and I found the sword. I need to save the big tree guy with thr mustache. This is a tough game but it's fun so far. Hopefully I don't get bored of it. I'm still curious as to how it's the best game of all time but I'm still early on in the game
@@JungSooLeee The thing with older games often is that they don't age well, especially in terms of controls. I replayed many games from my childhood/teen years and although the movement etc were horrible i didn't care and had fun. On the other hand when i try old games that i haven't played back then, even if they're loved by many people, it's often that i get frustrated really quick and quit them. So while i love OOT i wouldn't blame someone like you, who plays it for the first time nowadays, if you don't like it. Did you finish it already?
@@christianstachl Hey friend, I actually got really far. I made it to the never land woods dungeon as an adult and it seems like I got stuck and frustrated like you said. That map is neigh unbeatable in mt opinion. Ran around it so much and sucked the fun out of the game. Ah well, it was a good game otherwise
You could also beat Bongo Bongo if you only ever use hammer stabs. The stab is bugged, and doesn't generate a damage profile properly, and just uses whatever was used last, and if nothing has been used in the current loading zone... it defaults to a 1 damage "sword" type damage, that could damage Bongo
Fun fact the middle rock by the tree as you enter hyrule castle as young link you can collect bugs. Sell them in town to the beggar npc for 50 ruppees. Multiple can spawn.
Failing the tower escape does have a unique animation for Zelda, who stop running and visibly accept her fate. Also, I really hope you do something with Majora’s Mask; it’s my favorite one!
1. Sticks do double the Damage over the kokiri Sword, So if you use a stick to jump attack it be like if you jump attacked with the Kokiri sword twice making it really good for weak points where you can only get 1 good swing on them. 2. Farore's Winds ability to teleport you back is extremely helpful especially when you get the teleportation songs because then you can leave the dungeon by teleportation, like the temple of time then put the sword back, go to castle town and restock or alternatively teleport to the graveyard into to Kakariko to restock on goods and equipment then you teleport to the temple of time, and grab the sword again if your a kid and its a adult dungeon or vice versa. if not then after either case recast Farore's wind after your resupply run to recall yourself to the dungeon where you last left off which I have done before cutting all mid dungeon resupply runs essentially in half since you don't have to travel back to the dungeon or through it again. It also is helpful in dungeons where you know you will be backtracking cause you can place it in strategic locations and just teleport to where your backtracking to instead of having to go there so its use if purely up to is you do mid dungeon resupply runs or are knowledgeable on when you backtrack. Another use if a certain entry or enemy leads to a path you cant undo without re traversing large swaths of a dungeon because of making such an accident if your still in the room then you can teleport back to the entrance of the way you came in to undo such an error or use it to safeguard yourself from enemies that teleport you back to the entrance by casting it before they do so. And finally there is no range limit or restriction on its recall function and the MP cost is only used on the mark for the spell not its recall side so for instance you can use it to bob back and fourth between dungeons using the recall regardless of MP, by planting it in one and complete another then teleport to the other after a optional small resupply run and then you can do 2 in a row back to back instantaneously. Honestly yall really be sleeping on this one as in any RPG Mark & Recall is a really good pair of spells to have in your back pocket for utility. 3. 24:02 I think I should explain this the amount of time Lemon here can hold his breath or be in a hot area is based on your current health not maximum health. But it does mean for every quarter heart you have its an 2 additional seconds or 8 seconds per heart. Its under a minute because you only have 6 hearts which only amounts to 48 seconds at max so by raising Lemons maximum health it doesn't just raise the amount of abuse Lemon can take but also raises his Endurance in such situations given he is not injured. Fun fact if you jump into lava or do anything that resets the area the counter will reset to a maximum according to your new current health after the Lava takes a heart. So if your about to run out of time in death mountain and you have plenty of hearts to spare you can actually save yourself from the instant death caused from running out the clock by sacking a heart, and jumping into Lava.
Since I don't want to lose the heart to edit more putting the extra in a reply under will do fine for these extra points also spoiler warning you should watch the video first. 4. Shadow Lemon's Health is based on your maximum health the more health you have the more it takes to beat him so if you collected alot of hearts you would have made the run very problematic in that section of the game. Also as you may have noticed Shadow Lemon gets more solid as the fight goes this is because he is slowly scanning you throughout the fight and once he is fully solid he goes on the offensive since he now has studied how you fight. But this is why in 3 heart runs he is a absolute push over but in 100% runs he is a rather durable and exhaustive to fight. 5. 38:21 I also see you found the broken Stick glitch if you break a stick with a jump slash in midair and land or get hit after it breaks but before Lemon puts it away or if you hit two things at once with a stick it will break like normal but you keep the broken stick out. It retains the double damage but now it becomes a fully fledged permanent weapon until Lemon here puts it away again. 6. 41:16 Because the Mirror shield is a key item besides being reflective, Like Likes those things that take shields and tunics away cant take the mirror shield away from Lemon meaning you now have a permanent shield even if they grab you so its a direct upgrade over the Hylian shield even if the functionality of it is the same. 7. 44:18 Yep they made not 1 not 2 but 3 versions of the cartridge known as 1.0, 1.1 and 1.2 respectively 1.0 was made when it was first released. (Ironically a month after my birthday with the game being made on 1998/10/21 from what we have gathered from the build date with my birthday being 1998/9/21. Also after it reaches that date of this year the game and myself will be officially 25 years old with me reaching that age a month sooner of course.) In any case 1.1 was made 5 days after the game was first released basically think of it like a back then day 1 patch. 1.2 was made a little over 2 weeks after the 2nd patch. 1.1 Fixed a myriad of bugs in the game. 1.2 Fixed more bugs, changed Gannon's blood to green from red, changed the fire temple music to be a remix of shadow temple's music, and the one dreadful thing in your case fixed that bug your describing that skips bongo bongos cutscene letting you kill him immediately many. They are also the most common cart You can tell the version by looking at the back of your cartridge there will be 2 numbers stamped on the cart if there is only 2 numbers then you possess a rare 1.0 cartridge most golden carts are this version with 1.1 version golden carts being known to exist but are very rare and because of the limited run time of the gold cart paired with it being an update at the end of its production run a 1.1 golden cart of this game is the rarest cart of all. If a letter is followed after the 2 numbers then its one of the two later revisions. XX = 1.0 XXA = 1.1 XXB = 1.2 (This is the one me, and you have as they are the most common cart basically this was the default version made for any future production runs after its first month of release.) As such I do not count the sword use against you on bongo bongo on the grounds that you have to use the sword only because they patched it when it was at one point doable without one. But as you shown Gannon cant be beaten unless you use the Master Sword on him in the finale so the answer to your question is you can beat 99% of the game without the sword but the final hits on Gannon have to be done with the Master Sword you also need to use the sword on Bongo Bongo if you are playing a 1.2 version cart due to the lack of the cutscene skip.
44:19 That's also not just the hookshot. That's the infinite sword glitch which acts as link swinging his sword ever frame. It counts as using the sword.
Just 100% wind waker on GameCube, so watching someone else do something fun in another childhood classic is a breath of fresh air. Your videos always entertain lemon.
Honestly, it's refreshing to see a video of this game with a challenge of this caliber done by a casual player who doesn't know the game in and out. Good work!
YAY! New Backlogs video! Was worried we weren't gonna get one in this month's time. EDIT: Lemon, deku sticks are actually twice as powerful as Kokiri Sword swings, so it's actually EASIER to not use your sword in battle for the first few areas. EDIT2: Actually, a sword weighing 2 pounds is about right; on average, they weighed between 1 1/2 to 2 pounds.
Waves of nostalgia, immediate relaxation and positive serotonin, all from 30 of music. You can use Farore's Wind to at a point in the dungeon you want to return to, like say the boss room entrance, and recast it at the start of the dungeon to get there instantly.
@@carrosaX I would love to see another remaster or remake of ocarina of time instead of just another port like Wii U vc or switch vc so that the new generations can experience it the way it felt when I was growing up.
For the first time in years, I actually got hit with nostalgia. I wish companies cared about their games as much as nintendo did when making this anymore.
About Bongo Bongo: I’m pretty sure that deku sticks deal damage to him. If you can reach the end of the Shadow Temple as Young Link, you could beat him.
The Young Link portion of this challenge would have been so much easier if you knew how to hold a broken Deku Stick and knew that crouch-stabbing does the same amount of damage as the last attack you used. Also, Farore's Wind is actually super useful in Randomizer races because it can save you a ton of backtracking if you place it cleverly.
I remember using Farore's Wind a lot as a kid, actually. It was basically a two-way Homeward Bone; if a dungeon was giving me grief, I'd use it to make a warp point where I was, then leave the dungeon and come back when I had more fairies/magic/potions/items and be able to pick up right back where I left off. It wasn't game-breaking or anything, but it saved me a lot of time going through puzzles over and over.
See I don't remember it working as a two way homeward bone, I just remember it being a warp to the entrance of a dungeon from inside it. And I feel like there's never been a moment in a pre-BotW Zelda game where there's any reason to leave a dungeon in the middle of it. There's not really any resources you need to replenish from outside a dungeon besides fairies, and even then they aren't super rare in dungeons.
I can't really think of any moment in a Zelda game, especially OoT, where the value of this spell jumped out at me, despite it clearly being good in the right setting
It can be game-breaking. Only in MQ, which honestly is kind of broken already but yeah. The Forest Temple twisted room has its default state inverted, so you can warp into the wall, it's great
I used it a lot, firstly because save quit resets you and I rarely beat them in 1 sitting and second it cuts some loops
@@Dwyer69nah it had some good value. In the water temple for example u could set it after leaving the door for the max water level. Allowing for instant access to max water level without having to back track through the dungeon in case you messed up and did it too soon
iirc you could actually just grab the main treasure from forest, then fire and then water temple (also ice cave i suppose) without fully completing any of them. I liked doing that for some reason (really just a massive waste of time compared to a full run through but i guess it really prepared me for doing randomizer runs)
Lemon: "I can't think of a reason to ever use Farore's Wind."
Also Lemon: *has to leave multiple dungeons multiple times to restock items and get upgrades
Void Warps baby
It doesn't seem like the game really clarifies how Farore's Wind works.
Maybe if Lemon had looked it up on a wiki (or just played around with it), he'd have gotten some use out of it, though.
Farores wind is one of the most useful items... It is very useful in some dungeons, I also only play OOT while on an elliptical and play for 30 mins at a time, dropping farores is extremely useful when my time is up and im deep in the dungeon. Drop it, save and quit till the next time.
@@Teh_Random_Canadian I like farore's wind too, but tbf your situation is extremely niche considering you only play oot
While on an elliptical.
speedrunners: *visible concern*
Instead of spending 100 rupees on 10 sticks at the beginning, you can head into the lost woods, take two left turns and spend 40 rupees on a stick capacity upgrade, which also fills your sticks to capacity. That way, you get 20 sticks for less than half the cost of the 10.
STONKS
Also there’s a free Hylian Shield under one of the graves in Kakariko!
@@roganmckee2350 never knew that one!
@@Cirylxlyn In goron city if you blow up the big rolling goron as a kid link near the sign by the tunnel then he’ll give you a free red tunic
@@canontheory that’s as adult but the Goron in a little one, the big Goron as child gives you a bomb bag upgrade
If I remember right, the deku stick does indeed deal the same damage as a sword. It's just that it's the master sword, and not the kokiri sword, so you're basically dealing double damage during the child arc. Also jump attacks deal double damage again, so you're dealing 4 damage to the kokiri sword's standard of 1. 2 when jumping slashing.
Thank you, Toriel fox, very helpful.
And the biggoron sword does twice the damage of the master sword, meaning a jump attack with it does 8x the damage of a normal slash with the master sword
can not believe he didn’t know that that’s literally the most basic OOT knowledge… that’s when I realized I’m watching a moon that hasn’t played this game in years
@@Cainb23I had no idea the deku stick did MS damage. Wild
Damage values are based on each of Link's hearts having 8HP.
Kokiri Sword, Broken Deku Stick, and Broken Giant's Knife all do 4 damage.
Master Sword and Deku Stick do 8 damage.
Biggoron Sword and Unbroken Giant's Knife do 16 damage.
This is specifically because Dark Link has the same HP as you do, which can vary depending on how many Heart Containers and Heart Pieces each player obtains in their adventure.
This actually means that you can defeat Dark Link in 2 hits if you get the Biggoron Sword and don't collect any health upgrades. The opposite can also be true if you use glitches to get 20 hearts (160 HP) before fighting him or just cheat for max HP with GameShark codes.
I notice you missed a final "housekeeping" stop. Outside Ganon's castle there is a fairy fountain with a 0.5x damage taken upgrade. It gives you a white barrier around all your hearts and probably would have helped a bit in that last Ganon fight.
@@Greendawn-di3dl Idk why I don't remember this in the game. I'm losing my mind lol
I found that and panicked because idk how your supposed to turn it off and then accidentally closed the game without saving
@@Greendawn-di3dl It's definitely one of the most pointless upgrades in Zelda history. It comes so late in the game that if you're good enough to get to it, you're good enough to beat the game without it.
If you rush the main story, you might have fewer hearts for not spending hours trying to get the heart pieces. Then it sure comes in handy.@@ScrambledAndBenedict
@@ScrambledAndBenedict I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be a power trip. Ganon might not be balanced for it, but he hits just hard enough but not so hard that it would make much of a difference. Turns the Iron Knuckles on the way up and back down into jokes though.
Love the video!
Fun fact : The stick does the same damage has the mastersword, Nintendo forgot to lower its dmg value I guess.
Another fun fact : Crouch poke damage value is based on the last Damage action you did. So if you first jump slash then crouch poke you can kill bosses very quickly hahaha.
Jump slash into crouch pokes is how you one cycle the spider
It's deliberate, because it breaks it deals more than base kokiri sword
As a few people have said, the increase in damage is balanced to durability. Save for the Giant's Knife, all sword are indestructible. You can spam swing them. The Deku sticks have limited durability and break after a few hits or so. Because of this, you can only use them so much. You have the ability for child Link to do as much damage as adult Link (aside from the Biggoron's Sword), but only as long as your supply of Deku sticks last.
But yeah, they messed up the damage modifiers for crouch poking.
I love that crouch poking has such a rich history, lol.
I mean, it goes all the way back to LoZ 2, where hiding in the corner and crouch poking was the best and cheesiest method to beating dark link, bar none.
“He beat me to death with a princess”
“Oh thank goodness! I thought I was the only one.”
"Two on one? No shame in losing to superior numbers! They didn't fight fair!"
"No, you misunderstand me... *He beat me to death, using a princess*"
Letting the intro play out with no interruptions gets you a well deserved like within 40 seconds
Agreed
Seriously. Any kid born between 1980 and 2000 should basically get a nostalgia nut from that sequence, and I’m so happy he did it that way lmao
not gonna argue about that
@@ChaosPhoenix11 I'm a 2006 kid and that gave me nostalgia lmao as my cousins used to play it all the time
@@ChaosPhoenix11 I'm from 2000 and played this game (actually Master Quest) a lot as a kid, on my brothers' saves, much to their chagrin.
Since it was on an emulator, though, I usually did the "clicc funi buton to open game den pres buton to load saev haha" and didn't get to watch the intro, since all I knew how to do was loading savestates and running around.
I still don't understand how or why I always went to the Shadow Temple, despite being ABSOLUTELY TERRIFIED of the Dead Hands.
Really proud of myself whenever I felt brave enough to progress past some spooky room :D
I love how I clicked on "skip intro" and it jumped to 51 minutes where it just says "Nope you can't". Man I love this feature.
Farores wind was SUPPOSED to be an Anti soft lock tool + a minor navigating aid I'm almost certain, like the Mirror in a link to the past, where it could help you by taking you back to the entrance of a dungeon, or to some set in Stone warp points. Turns out it's way better for WRONG WARPING ALL OVER HYRULE BABY!!!!!
The vanilla use of it is you use it, It creates a warp point at the last door you used, and then teleports you to the dungeon entrance. you can then use it again to warp back to the room in the dungeon saving time. I guess. Randomizers and some mods often have an option to let you use it to set a warp point anywhere. And yeah some glitches can change where it’s supposed to warp you too.
It doesnt warp you to the entrance but saving and resetting will and i think warp songs will to but im not sure
Next up can you beat ocarina of time fire bombs only
Are there fire bombs in ocarina of time?
@@Heidijackward there is normal bombs
@Pro Cow . I don't think you can get there with out using something else as a wepon so unless he can do a work around
(Why doesn't the @ thing work)
@@Heidijackward To be fair, you can skip straight to Ganon’s castle from Ghoma’s boss room, though that is both a glitch and exploit.
@@TrueXiarno you can also just play the game and have fun
It's surprising how consistent there's exactly one thing that's an impassable roadblock in these challenges.
Edit: Ooops I wrote a reply that was supposed to go under a different comment 😂
Man, I only played the 3DS version of the game and that intro still hits hard. Just incredible.
Same
Same but I lost my copy :(
OOT 3D is incredible. If ypu could only play one that is the version I would recommend.
i played the gamecube release because i was born in the interstice between gen z and millennial
@@whimsiquisitive probably the most overrated and worst aged game ever lol
I... never went behind the Kokiri shop counter, like, I didn't know you could, and I played it back when it released and all the remakes/other versions... you never stop learning, huh? Thanks for that! (And the 30 seconds, those actually came at a really good time.)
Stick attack is actually twice as much damage as the Kokiri sword. Which is the same damage as the Master Sword. The child sections of the game are pretty trivial with enemies that were designed to be hit with the weak sword instead of the stick.
The first 30 seconds did more than give me nostalgia. It was genuinely comforting. It felt like I was back in a time where the only problems were figuring out what it was I was going to do after school. Simpler times.
Agreed, the nostalgia of this game hits you like a truck, I remember the fun times (like sneaking through the gerudo hideout for the first time, feeling like a ninja) and the bad times (trying to defeat Bongo Bongo without realising I had to use the specail boots and constantly losing) overall this was a fun game that I loved playing and defeating Ganon filled me with a lot of excitement.
All things change
Look up the Zeldawave video. It's a beautiful tribute music video, in the Lofi style.
@@mayanboricua thanks for the recommendation it's phenomenal.
Uh, yeah, that’s called nostalgia
To be honest, I have no idea how you'd make a challenge run out of it, but one day I'd love to see a Minish Cap run. Love the video!
bribe
No hat?
@@finercandy45113 Whaaaaat, no. I have no idea what you're on about.
Minish Cap would be interesting to see. In general it's up there for my favorite Zelda games, (I always prefered the 2D games to the 3D ones), but my favorites are the Oracle games, so I'd love to see him find a way to do a challenge run in those. Bonus points if he does both games, because then depending on which he does first, his route might be different.
@@finercandy45113 based fumo enjoyer
Thank you for that 30 seconds of the uninterrupted opening. I didn't grow up with OoT, but today has been nothing short of a waking nightmare and that moment of calm was exactly what i needed to let myself cry it out and get things back under control.
Gaaaaaaaaaaaay
Hey dude, we all have our bad days, how are you holding up now?
@@driesdriesdehaanhe died
The beginning hit so hard you can‘t even imagine
Glad to know I wasn’t the only one who caught the AdamWestLapDog reference
my first 3 days of breath of the wild was annoying, but we all know after defeating the waterblight, getting the master sword and having 2 bars of stamina the game was super fun.
@@Egibidof1 Sorry dude but i have literally no clue what chu talking about.
I just fucking love this game
I remember playing this game a massive amount as a kid. I realized watching this I would use Farores Wind all the time by putting it at the beginning of every dungeon, just in case, but I rarely ever used it? Crazy nostalgia moment.
25:43 is one of the best use cases for Farore's Wind. If you fall off you can just cast it to set the warp point then cast it again to go back up to to room you just fell down from.
I always choose to get the free Hylian Shield from the Kakariko Graveyard. But I guess since its super quick to grind rupees, you might as well buy it.
Also, I'm pretty sure that the Deku Sticks do the same damage as the Master Sword not the Kokiri Sword. That's why speedruners use the sticks as child Link.
I thought they used them because of that glitch that allows them to hit at ridiculous swing rate.
@Invenblocker Probably, but I think you can use that glitch with swords too.
@@bdhuffman42 Ah, ok. Didn't know it works with swords too.
To have the sfick hit as hard as the master sword they use memory manipulation. It doesnt normally do that.
@@egoalter1276 stick does the same damage as master sword AFAIK. Maybe you’re confusing the “memory manipulation” part with power crouch stab, a glitch that takes advantage of a crouch stab not having a defined damage value, which causes it to default to the last used damage value. This means for example if you swung kokiri sword normally before doing a crouch stab, it will deal 1 damage point, while if you used jump slash with kokiri sword before crouch stabbing you would deal 2 damage points
35:14 Here’s a tip for crossing the desert if you ever do another OOT challenge: Play the Song of Storms at night. You can see the flags silhouetted against the skybox whenever the lightning flashes
Only way I could make it past that part when I was a kid lol
The storm goes away if you die in Wasteland. Might take a while if you have high health, but I think it's a neat little bug.
@@wompastompa3692 yup, works at night and day too to see easier as well, not just daytime.
Another quicker way if you have magic: Doing a quickspin actually removes the storm temporarily and gives you full vision of the flags every time you spin at the cost of no magic. So you don't even need to play a song every time, you can just quickspin and go straight away to the next flag. Works both daytime and nighttime.
Of course this couldn't be used without using the sword for this particular challenge, but it's good to know for crossing the desert in a future challenge.
Early days of gaming? Thanks for making me feel old.
That little 30 second nostalgia hit was so good. Felt, even if just for a moment, like a little kid again. Thanks man.
I'd love to see more challenge runs for these older games,personally, they feel perfect for them since they where made when games where made to be alot more linear.
That opening theme hits my right in the feels. Remembered playing this gane with my mom, taking turns beating dungeons, following the strategy guide, etc.
I hope your feels get well soon! Lol
Hearing the start up screen and hearing the music brought the absolute biggest grin on my face, like the the 7 year old in me waiting for my dad to come home from a long day a work. Jumping up and down when he got home to be picked up, have dinner then sit down and enact the N64 start up ritual. Just to play this game over and over again. This will never ever give me grief, I love this game and it will be my favorite game for all time!
The intro brought me right back to being 15 and playing this before anything else on my new N64.
Farore‘s wind was such a game changer! Failing to kill Bongo Bongo for the 20th time as a kid would honestly have made me quit the game if I had to run through the entire shadow temple every time. Spirit temple too. I just placed it in the room that held the boss door and saved before I entered the door.
Always fun to see Lemon do non-Soulsborne challenge runs
I was 4 when this game came out. I remember having my cousin who was visiting from Maine (I lived and still live in Maryland) beat the child section of the game and getting to experience the whole new adult section which, 6-10 year old self, never got to see before in another game. It was magical and so fun it solidified my love of games. I'm glad Lemon is touching on this game since I still consume OoT content. All hail the patience golem
I grew up with my older brother's files available and just fucked around exploring a lot. I remember discovering enemies change based on whether you were young link or not by going to the forest area and the big beefy guy was replaced by dekus. Fond memories, those
Farore's Wind is extremely helpful in the water temple. You can use it to skip to either the top or bottom water level locations. There is also a scarecrow on the top water level location you can reach with the longshot.
The commentary is actual gold even tho im too young to have played the original this game is still nostalgic for me thx to the 3DS remakes making it my first zelda game
Honestly, that remake is so much better. Tighter controls, gyro aiming, and some prices were lowered to banish grinding. 10/10
It kind of makes sense in a weird way. "I can't use this sword. I use this sword to time travel. What if I break it?"
oh, that made me think of that crazy and lousy game "Daikatana", involving a magical sword that permits time travel.
at one point someone says that hitting two "copies" of that sword together would cause a time paradox, but later they fence with them with no problem!
With how Lemon told some boss fights, and how I felt chills at certain moments, I kinda want to develop a darksouls-esque game just to watch Lemon play and tell his tale on the game... well first I have to learn to code
I swear I could watch you play anything, the positivity is soul warming.
I absolutely love that Lemon kayfabes the plot of these games we all know inside out - really adds to the immersion.
It's fitting to feel nostalgia for a game like this. I remember sitting Infront of my small square-back tv, half a metre away, and playing with a blanket around me to keep me warm when I was about 10 years old.
It's a game about growing up, and it feels kind of sad about how simple times were when we were younger. But also how much we can do as adults. Which is a theme if the game.
Truly, still a masterpiece in my eyes.
I have played this game literally hundreds of times. Got it day one as a child and I’ve been playing at my whole life. I’ve watched so many videos about this game. I’ve watched so many play through about this game. You would think I’d be bored with it by now, but dude you bring something new and fresh and funny and I love it.
Actually, the Speedrunning glitch used against Bongo Bongo probably wouldn't get around the no sword restriction. The ISG in the title of Sniping's video certainly refers to the Infinite Sword Glitch, which causes the Master Sword to basically be in a constant state of dealing damage. If you look at their video (or 44:10 in this video) you can actually see the impact flashes coming off from where it's hitting, showing that it is almost certainly the sword which is dealing damage, which I would assume is still against the rules of this run.
You can still use ISG with megaton hammer
Megaton Hammer can be used for ISG instead, so it still counts
@@fabuloussuperstar Or equip swap the Deku Sticks over Din's Fire, jump slash then ISG. Just as much power as the Master Sword, but infinite.
Don't even need ISG, uninitialized PCS with hammer is good enough. You can even stunlock Bongo with just that.
I love how a sword is literally incorporated into the logo for the game and then you just have Lemon being like, "Nope, don't need it".
And the funny is thing is that you really don't, for the most part. Child Link can kill everything with sticks instead of a sword, and there're only three things Adult Link can't kill with the Megaton Hammer. To be honest, it's amazing what you can do swordless in this game.
@@jruler93
Just last two hits on Ganon. Crouch stabs are bugged to do the same exact damage as your previous attack. Entering a new area resets your previous attack, so crouch stab defaults to 1 damage. This hurts anything that sword would.
@@wompastompa3692 Well with that, you could circumvent the last few things you would need a sword for, if you let yourself swing the sword without hitting anything. Just jump slash away from the enemy with the Biggoron Sword and you can kill Dead Hand and Bongo Bongo with hammer crouch stabs; do the same with the Master Sword, and you could probably kill Ganon the same way.
@@jruler93
No, I'm saying you don't even need to swing the sword to defeat DH and BB. Uninitialized Power Crouch Stab does 1 damage that hurts them. Just enter their rooms and start crouch stabbing with hammer until you win. So long as you don't actually swing the hammer, there's no need to swing the sword.
@@wompastompa3692 Yeah, no, I do get what you were saying. But 1 damage is, like, what, equal to a Kokiri Sword swing? Jump slashing with the Biggoron Sword and using that damage in your crouch stabs would greatly expedite the fights.
Farore's Wind lets you set a teleport point inside a dungeon. Super useful for fast traveling back to a dungeon. Very useful in a randomizer as well
As a Former OOT Speedrunner I enjoyed this quite a lot. And to your bongo dilemma: the only thing that comes to mind and what was used in snipings video is infinite sword glitch. It does however use sword damage to infinitely hit a thing. So I doubt that would’ve qualified for your challenge. Then again using glitches there is several methods to beat opt without a sword. If you want to see what oot speedrunners do for challenge runs check out the low% category, it’s insane. Love your videos as always lemon you are chill as heck and I always have a good time.
There's a nifty little trick that should actually fix BOTH of the times you broke the challenge. Crouch stabs have the rather unique property of storing the damage value and type of the previous attack, so if you jump attack with the master sword and then crouch stab with the hammer, it tricks the game into thinking you attacked with the master sword, and uses its jump attack value.
Oh wow. I gotta try that the next time I play this game.
@@enlongjones2394 With the master sword and hammer there is little point. They do the same damage unfortunately, making the hammer just unwieldy with basically no benefit. As a kid doing a jump slash with the deku stick loads a master sword jump attack for kokiri sword stabs. As an adult, your only option to do more damage to load for stabs is the biggoron's sword, although the giants knife also works as long as its not broken. So you can jump attack nothing but air to load the damage.
@@JeikobuDid you not see the comment? It stores not just the damage, but the TYPE, which is huge against Bongo Bongo
doesn't that still invalidate the challenge though? the sword was used even if it didn't directly do damage
@@saxeladude if the sword doesn’t hit anything, then I’d say it’s closer to the goal of the challenge than actually hitting with the sword would be.
The nostalgia for a game that's older than i am is real. I loved watching my dad play this when i was a kid.
Random fun fact: The Redeads in this game aren't actually undead. They're contructs animated by magic that LOOK undead. this means that after Ganondorf blew up the castle town, he put a bunch of Redeads there to make it look more foreboding.
Based
Nah, this was a retcon proposed in smash. In OOT and MM, the redeads were explicitly described as the undead.
Then why are there redeads in the graveyard, before Ganondorf comes to power?
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 this person is probably wrong. the redeads in the graveyard are put there by the royal family.
The nostalgia will always be there. But I can't thank you enough for telling me to take a breath and just take the next 30 seconds in. Love you and your content. Keep it up!
Your commentary makes me want a story where the main protag actually believed his weapon of legend was not real. Just like this little piece, he goes through and does it the alternative way for everything, thinking he wasn’t worthy or not using thevrelic weapon or item.
Essentially a dnd character who failed his lore check on an artifact of power.
Can we expect a similar challenge run but with Majora's Mask?
Or possibly any other Zelda game for that matter. Not sure how possible it will be in most games, but still would be interesting to see.
Majora's Mask it should be pretty easy.
You can pretty freely sequence break to get the Goron and Zora masks early, giving you free attacks. I don't think any enemies need to be hit with a sword specifically, and the Zora attacks even "cut".
The only annoying part is that you're not going to be able to use owl statues. Ever.
Gotta do Stone Tower, and ST Temple in one go.
I still get goosebumps when the ocarina of time titlescreen starts.
So much nostalgia: my first game beaten to 100%.
My first 3d Game.
My first N64 Game which was the first console I could call my own.
And last but not least Ocarina of time was the first game I bought myself.
Glad to see you finishing this run!
The gameboy zeldas were the first for me, but then I borrowed OoT from a friend and really fell in love in a way that the gameboy games just couldn't. Then Majoras Mask followed , the Minish Cap for the GBA and Windwaker for the GC. I personally felt like we hit the peak with Twilight Princess for the Wii. I should really get Breath of the Wild huh...
Lemon: “this sword is fake, it’s like two pounds!”
average sword weight: two pounds. what amazing accidental foreshadowing 😂
Ahh.. I remember playing this for hours as a kid. Felt so rewarding becoming big Link with the masters sword 🗡️
I remember when I was a young child and I watched my day play this. I even remember going with my mother to buy Majora's Mask and a N64 expansion pack for his birthday.
MM was unreal, that game freaked me out when I was a kid, still loved it
I never knew I needed you playing this game until i saw it. been watching speedruns for ages so this is no surprise but I love the way you present information. Good stuff!
God the nostalgia from that opening had me feeling like a kid again, playing this game on the tv in the living room while my parents read behind me. I actually enjoyed the Twinrova fight so much as a kid that I made a separate save file right before the fight so I could load it up and fight them whenever I wanted...god I love this game
The glitch used to kill Bongo Bongo is the infinite sword glitch (ISG), which basically turns your sword into a lightsaber in that it damages enemies just by them touching it, even if it isn't being swung. I don't think it should be valid in a no sword run.
Guard: HEY! DONT CAUSE TROUBLE LITTLE BOY! proceeds to throw a whole ass bomb at a child
for people who do not know. the stick does the same dmg as the master sword. idk why but they are just as strong as the sword you use for most of the game
Was hoping someone would add this, that's much of why it just wreaks the earlygame so much.
The intro alone convinced me to join your channel as a member, loved that uninterrupted menu music. Love you for that
Something I remember from watching the vod of the stream, was that you kept throwing rocks and pots, but once you have the shield you can just press the shield button and drop the item. This would have let you pick up the drops faster. Just a small thing.
Oh my gosh I’m replaying oot recently and I completely how to get the fire arrows, so I’m glad I watched this video
I feel like you're underestimating deku nuts. Stunning enemies (especially dark link, but as you learned, you need to aim a bit sideways) is pretty valuable, and on Barinade is actually kills the jellyfish (and also the soap bubbles, and also make all the flying mantas get up into the air).
And Farore's wind is cool when you know the dungeons well enough and don't want to backtrack. It cuts the necessary amount of raising / lowering water in the water temple by a third, for instance. And it lets you immediately get back up to try to get the hammer again whenever you fall.
38:20 If you break a stick in mid-air, Link doesn't put it away like he usually does. So you can just continue swinging it (with slightly reduced range). You can make it happen at will by jump-attacking a wall at just the right distance. If I recall, that distance is exactly one backflip if the wall is perfectly vertical.
Though this was more a nostalgic than narrative "story", to this challenge run, I liked it. Was really fun to see a game from my childhood revisited and challenged run (don't think that's a verb🤔). Plus, your running commentary is always appreciated. Honestly Lemon, you could make the hunt for a toy at the bottom of a cereal box entertaining. Great Job Lemon! Don't be afraid to keep pumping more of these types of runs out. It was easy breezy fun and I for one am here for it.
The hookshot glitch said "with ISG" which is infinite sword glitch, it's done by interrupting a crouch stab with an action, such as picking up a bomb or talking to a gossip stone, the sword was what was doing damage to bongo bongo though, so it's a sword usage regardless, it should in theory be possible to beat bongo bongo using equip swap to use deku sticks as adult, or you can use other glitches to access and complete shadow temple as child, so it's still do-able with glitches.
Or hammer
this is the coolest challenge run ive ever seen. ive beaten this game and seen this game beaten soo many times over the years. never have i seen anyone use the hammer for real, or the magic fire ball, i think i did that once by accedent before, but possibly never?
I'm not gonna lie, I enjoyed this so much that I didn't even realize that it was almost an hour long. One of my favorite parts was the 30 seconds at the beginning with the title screen. Your commentary style is great though and I'm so glad TH-cam suggested your video. Keep up the amazing work! Looking forward to hopefully a Majora's Mask Video.
Oh the nostalgia, I had this game as a kid on the GameCube but I never finished I just replayed the starting level over and over again, I’m gonna let this man be my first play through
That's not really a play through but.
This was extremely soothing and fun. I do appreciate the variety this challenge run brings, it's nice to watch something unusual. Thank you lemon, really loved the video uwu
Now this game takes me back so long ago, especially that Intro. Just the opening of the game hits me hard.
Replay it, still as fun as it was in the 90's
This was 1 of my childhood games alongside Crash Bandicoot, GoldenEye, Rayman, Banjo Kazooie, Spyro, Starfox 64, Super Mario 64, Mario Kart 64, and Final Fantasy VII
"Ah, I forgot my Dad"
Made me burst out laughing.
oh god. I hurt myself laughing WAY too much on this. His reaction to the great faerie.. same one I had. 'Uhm.. whats she wearing.. why is she so pointy... oh god, look too close your gonna poke an eye out'... They are still nightmare inducing.
This is WAY too much for me.. I'm loving it.
You can’t lie OCARINA of time theme and the korok forest theme go hard
Ferore's Wind is used as a dungeon checkpoint. You can activate and leave the dungeon to restock on items then TP back.
the part when Saria gave him the ocarina "oh shit the feds annnnd DISTRACTION!"
Farores wind can also be used to warp in the water temple, allowing you to teleport back to the entrance which can save you some time going from point A. To point B. Then back to A. So when you need to reset the water level woth out climbing up or going through the entire temple.
It was useful in the fire temple in case you fell off the spiral staircase to get the megaton hammer. Also was kind of useful in the room where you had to free the goron on the second floor of the rock maze in case you fell off. Other than that, Forore's wind is fairly useless outside of bugs and glitching.
The thought that someone has never played OoT or even heard of it is like a waking nightmare. I picked up on the game through my mom's love for it, she would always beat the Shadow Temple for me cause the hand scared me so much, so the game was always part of me. It's weird to think someone would have no idea about it even existing somehow.
The only Zelda game I've played is a link to the past. I went and got a Playstation and haven't played nintendo ever since. I might buy am N64 to try this game out. I've heard of some people even claiming ocarina of the time is slightly better than link to the past. I can't imagine that to be true but I'll find out possibly this weekend
@@JungSooLeee please get back to us and let us know how it went 💞
@@priestesslucy I bought a shield and I found the sword. I need to save the big tree guy with thr mustache. This is a tough game but it's fun so far. Hopefully I don't get bored of it. I'm still curious as to how it's the best game of all time but I'm still early on in the game
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The thing with older games often is that they don't age well, especially in terms of controls.
I replayed many games from my childhood/teen years and although the movement etc were horrible i didn't care and had fun.
On the other hand when i try old games that i haven't played back then, even if they're loved by many people, it's often that i get
frustrated really quick and quit them.
So while i love OOT i wouldn't blame someone like you, who plays it for the first time nowadays, if you don't like it.
Did you finish it already?
@@christianstachl Hey friend, I actually got really far. I made it to the never land woods dungeon as an adult and it seems like I got stuck and frustrated like you said. That map is neigh unbeatable in mt opinion. Ran around it so much and sucked the fun out of the game. Ah well, it was a good game otherwise
Theoretically, you could beat the Shadow temple with young Link by using the bomb glitch, and kill Bongo Bongo with the Deku Sticks.
You could also beat Bongo Bongo if you only ever use hammer stabs.
The stab is bugged, and doesn't generate a damage profile properly, and just uses whatever was used last, and if nothing has been used in the current loading zone... it defaults to a 1 damage "sword" type damage, that could damage Bongo
32:38 btw. the longshot is actually EXACTLY double the length. like to the game unit. which is a pretty neato touch.
Fun fact the middle rock by the tree as you enter hyrule castle as young link you can collect bugs. Sell them in town to the beggar npc for 50 ruppees. Multiple can spawn.
Failing the tower escape does have a unique animation for Zelda, who stop running and visibly accept her fate.
Also, I really hope you do something with Majora’s Mask; it’s my favorite one!
1. Sticks do double the Damage over the kokiri Sword, So if you use a stick to jump attack it be like if you jump attacked with the Kokiri sword twice making it really good for weak points where you can only get 1 good swing on them.
2. Farore's Winds ability to teleport you back is extremely helpful especially when you get the teleportation songs because then you can leave the dungeon by teleportation, like the temple of time then put the sword back, go to castle town and restock or alternatively teleport to the graveyard into to Kakariko to restock on goods and equipment then you teleport to the temple of time, and grab the sword again if your a kid and its a adult dungeon or vice versa. if not then after either case recast Farore's wind after your resupply run to recall yourself to the dungeon where you last left off which I have done before cutting all mid dungeon resupply runs essentially in half since you don't have to travel back to the dungeon or through it again.
It also is helpful in dungeons where you know you will be backtracking cause you can place it in strategic locations and just teleport to where your backtracking to instead of having to go there so its use if purely up to is you do mid dungeon resupply runs or are knowledgeable on when you backtrack. Another use if a certain entry or enemy leads to a path you cant undo without re traversing large swaths of a dungeon because of making such an accident if your still in the room then you can teleport back to the entrance of the way you came in to undo such an error or use it to safeguard yourself from enemies that teleport you back to the entrance by casting it before they do so.
And finally there is no range limit or restriction on its recall function and the MP cost is only used on the mark for the spell not its recall side so for instance you can use it to bob back and fourth between dungeons using the recall regardless of MP, by planting it in one and complete another then teleport to the other after a optional small resupply run and then you can do 2 in a row back to back instantaneously. Honestly yall really be sleeping on this one as in any RPG Mark & Recall is a really good pair of spells to have in your back pocket for utility.
3. 24:02 I think I should explain this the amount of time Lemon here can hold his breath or be in a hot area is based on your current health not maximum health. But it does mean for every quarter heart you have its an 2 additional seconds or 8 seconds per heart. Its under a minute because you only have 6 hearts which only amounts to 48 seconds at max so by raising Lemons maximum health it doesn't just raise the amount of abuse Lemon can take but also raises his Endurance in such situations given he is not injured.
Fun fact if you jump into lava or do anything that resets the area the counter will reset to a maximum according to your new current health after the Lava takes a heart. So if your about to run out of time in death mountain and you have plenty of hearts to spare you can actually save yourself from the instant death caused from running out the clock by sacking a heart, and jumping into Lava.
Since I don't want to lose the heart to edit more putting the extra in a reply under will do fine for these extra points also spoiler warning you should watch the video first.
4. Shadow Lemon's Health is based on your maximum health the more health you have the more it takes to beat him so if you collected alot of hearts you would have made the run very problematic in that section of the game. Also as you may have noticed Shadow Lemon gets more solid as the fight goes this is because he is slowly scanning you throughout the fight and once he is fully solid he goes on the offensive since he now has studied how you fight. But this is why in 3 heart runs he is a absolute push over but in 100% runs he is a rather durable and exhaustive to fight.
5. 38:21 I also see you found the broken Stick glitch if you break a stick with a jump slash in midair and land or get hit after it breaks but before Lemon puts it away or if you hit two things at once with a stick it will break like normal but you keep the broken stick out. It retains the double damage but now it becomes a fully fledged permanent weapon until Lemon here puts it away again.
6. 41:16 Because the Mirror shield is a key item besides being reflective, Like Likes those things that take shields and tunics away cant take the mirror shield away from Lemon meaning you now have a permanent shield even if they grab you so its a direct upgrade over the Hylian shield even if the functionality of it is the same.
7. 44:18 Yep they made not 1 not 2 but 3 versions of the cartridge known as 1.0, 1.1 and 1.2 respectively
1.0 was made when it was first released. (Ironically a month after my birthday with the game being made on 1998/10/21 from what we have gathered from the build date with my birthday being 1998/9/21. Also after it reaches that date of this year the game and myself will be officially 25 years old with me reaching that age a month sooner of course.)
In any case 1.1 was made 5 days after the game was first released basically think of it like a back then day 1 patch.
1.2 was made a little over 2 weeks after the 2nd patch.
1.1 Fixed a myriad of bugs in the game.
1.2 Fixed more bugs, changed Gannon's blood to green from red, changed the fire temple music to be a remix of shadow temple's music, and the one dreadful thing in your case fixed that bug your describing that skips bongo bongos cutscene letting you kill him immediately many. They are also the most common cart
You can tell the version by looking at the back of your cartridge there will be 2 numbers stamped on the cart if there is only 2 numbers then you possess a rare 1.0 cartridge most golden carts are this version with 1.1 version golden carts being known to exist but are very rare and because of the limited run time of the gold cart paired with it being an update at the end of its production run a 1.1 golden cart of this game is the rarest cart of all.
If a letter is followed after the 2 numbers then its one of the two later revisions.
XX = 1.0
XXA = 1.1
XXB = 1.2 (This is the one me, and you have as they are the most common cart basically this was the default version made for any future production runs after its first month of release.)
As such I do not count the sword use against you on bongo bongo on the grounds that you have to use the sword only because they patched it when it was at one point doable without one. But as you shown Gannon cant be beaten unless you use the Master Sword on him in the finale so the answer to your question is you can beat 99% of the game without the sword but the final hits on Gannon have to be done with the Master Sword you also need to use the sword on Bongo Bongo if you are playing a 1.2 version cart due to the lack of the cutscene skip.
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Beating Bongo is still doable because of Power Crouch Stab. Uninitialized, it does 1 generic damage.
44:19
That's also not just the hookshot. That's the infinite sword glitch which acts as link swinging his sword ever frame. It counts as using the sword.
Just 100% wind waker on GameCube, so watching someone else do something fun in another childhood classic is a breath of fresh air. Your videos always entertain lemon.
Honestly, it's refreshing to see a video of this game with a challenge of this caliber done by a casual player who doesn't know the game in and out. Good work!
I would love another Zelda challenge!
Beat the game with 3 hearts and no deaths. Was one of the original challenges for the game in nintendo power, and is absolutely not easy
YAY! New Backlogs video! Was worried we weren't gonna get one in this month's time. EDIT: Lemon, deku sticks are actually twice as powerful as Kokiri Sword swings, so it's actually EASIER to not use your sword in battle for the first few areas. EDIT2: Actually, a sword weighing 2 pounds is about right; on average, they weighed between 1 1/2 to 2 pounds.
I love that your parents named you Lemon and your brother Lime. Way to be consistent
Waves of nostalgia, immediate relaxation and positive serotonin, all from 30 of music.
You can use Farore's Wind to at a point in the dungeon you want to return to, like say the boss room entrance, and recast it at the start of the dungeon to get there instantly.
The first 30 seconds took me back to my old house.. I was in 7th grade.. my childhood was at it’s peak and I had no clue.. thanks for this bro
It pains me to know some people never grew up on this masterpiece
I'm so thankful for the 3ds version, because it let this game be a part of my childhood
@@carrosaX I would love to see another remaster or remake of ocarina of time instead of just another port like Wii U vc or switch vc so that the new generations can experience it the way it felt when I was growing up.
it pains me to know i didnt grow up with this materpiece. one console generation too late
@@limerumpus3589 never to late to emulate!
For the first time in years, I actually got hit with nostalgia. I wish companies cared about their games as much as nintendo did when making this anymore.
SUN SONG CAN FREEZE REDEADS??
“Puddle Hylia is back to being a lake”
That got me.
About Bongo Bongo: I’m pretty sure that deku sticks deal damage to him. If you can reach the end of the Shadow Temple as Young Link, you could beat him.
The Young Link portion of this challenge would have been so much easier if you knew how to hold a broken Deku Stick and knew that crouch-stabbing does the same amount of damage as the last attack you used.
Also, Farore's Wind is actually super useful in Randomizer races because it can save you a ton of backtracking if you place it cleverly.
The beginning didn’t give me nostalgia because I only beat the game a week ago