Bron was trying to get CP3 and Melo in Miami but then you can’t say he doesn’t want to compete. Lebron is what happens when a kid is treated like a celebrity and coddled at such a young age that he never develops true character. Winning at all costs no matter the collateral damage. Straight up toxic single mother energy. The difference in growing up with or without a father is never talked about enough in Lebron’s lack of character. I will cry when Lebron retires… tears of joy.
The difference between the stories of MJ compared to Lebron is already evident enough. The bs under the rug when lejoke retires will all surface sooner than later
@kirbyaugustine761 Bruh, what does character have to do with jumping from team to team playing with "in prime elite personel" to achieve what other greats did? 🤔 Although his home life might have been questionable, I disagree about his character being called into question, because he, is if nothing else, a sound family man with morals and values. I have to give him credit for that aspect of his life, as far as we know. That might be called into question in May 2025, we'll just have to wait and see. What he's done is simply no different then stacking teams in the park, letting bruhs that live across town use your aunts address so they can play for your high school, or errbody leaving AAU to go to the same college, scholarship or not. Off court actions are about character, an other than talking about things he should at times inform himself more about before he speaks his characters not the issue, nore is his Mother, or absentee Father. Yeah, he wants to compete as you said, as long as he can stack the deck against others and play with the best competition instead of competing against it! He's not the only star who's come from humble beginnings with a lesser than proper foundation. Y'all gon continually make excuses for this guy, I guess well after he retires also....I wonder what y'all gon say when the "Juice Elements" he NEVER gets tested for emerges before he gets to the HOF❓️❓️❓️ Or, are you one of the bruhs who thinks he should get in while he's still playing; "To Be The 1st To Do That Too?" According to him, he deserves that privilege that no one else has ever claimed but him. Man, y'all need to stop with all these excuses for this selfish, egotistical, greedy socialite who wants everything to be about him and his accomplishments! Dam the way Kareem, Dr. J, Magic, Bird, MJ, Hakeem, Robinson & Duncan, Shaq, Dirk & Kobe did it! Take the past of least resistance like James and stack squads so that you no longer have to compete against the best....You play with them to win chips! That's his M.O....
The NBA was protecting Jordan. If Kobe had gotten one more title, an argument could have been made regarding his legacy. I don't think it would have added much to the Lakers for what they had to give up to get CP3 (Gasol to the Rockets, Odom to the Hornets/Pelicans), though it should be noted Andrew Bynum had an All-Star season in 2011-12. In the end it was New Orleans that got screwed - compare the potential haul from the Lakers/Rockets three-way deal (Odom, Kevin Martin, Luis Scola, Goran Dragic, and the Rockets' pick, which could have been used to select Draymond Green or Khris Middleton, who were still available) vs. what they got from the Clips (Eric Gordon, Chris Kaman, Al-Farouq Aminu, and the 10th pick in 2012, which became Austin Rivers). The only consolation was they got the top pick in 2012, when their odds were only third-best. The big winners were the Clippers, though they didn't parlay their opportunities into a title.
As a New Orleanian and a die hard Hornets/pelicans fan: I don’t think cp3 to the lakers would have got them a ring. No doubt they woulda been great together but why do most ppl overlook how cp3 is injury prone when this scenario is brought up
@@willingexile3374 Protecting Jordan by blocking the Chris Paul trade, but still letting Bron form superteams and hyping him up as GOAT? Bro, stop. Just stop. You don't want us MJ fans to go in on your ass.
@@sportjames23 Man, that's funny. Look, some decisions can be incredulous for us outside the league office. That's my tinfoil hat theory. Even this LeBron hype is creating the necessary bulletin board material for Jordan fans to go in on someone's ass, to use your term. In the end, the league doesn't care who emerges the victor in the discussion, as long as people watch and merch gets sold. Only when there is pushback will the NBA do something about it. EDIT: Why is Kobe not getting his props from the league? Because he had a sexual assault case. This was discussed in the panel, and I think the panelist was right. What does having underaged baby mamas have to do with Karl Malone's basketball legacy? Is he suddenly not good at basketball because of it? The league makes decisions for its own interest, and promotes players who align with its brand. LeBron is riding high now because he still plays. Once he retires it will be a different story.
@@psychedelicvault6951 agree Lebron in a 21 years as a winner hè underachieved big time picking who you want to play with!! The man never made a game winning Bucket in the finals even and got saved by to players for a chip!!! He’s so overhyped, if you look how they can glaze up his son and he’s terrible even in the NBA, g, league and skool. Its pathetic!!!
@@keithkool8308 Lebum Jr is shooting 16% from the field and averages 1 point bruh. It's an abomination. I can't wait until Lebum retires he's ruined the NBA's integrity. Lol
@@psychedelicvault6951 its because of the rule change that the game is the weakest ever. Way easier to build up stats, can’t play solid defense, fundamentals and ballance is gone in the game, refs don’t even know when to call a foul anymore because of that. Its trashball!! They rather look good first win second!! Just watched Poland vs Belgium womans fiba basketball and its tuffer and more fun to watch than a NBA game that stops 60 per at the 3 point line 😂😂
if the boston big 3 was so unbeatable how did kobe lead a team to beat them with a 1 time all star in Gasol? if that orlando team was so perfect when they beat the cavs how did kobe beat them pretty easily? the answer is lebron he was supposed to be the one who steps up in winning time but he would turn the ball over non stop his defense was terrible and mentally he would check out
@fullmetal1766 We could say Kevin Garnett was banged up in the 2010 finals, but it doesn't matter... LeBron took that Boston team to 7 games in 2008. How much did he average? How much did the next guy average? Put LeBron on that Lakers team that lost to Boston in the finals, and they beat that Boston team. How much did LeBron average against Orlando in 2009? How much did LeBron average in 2010 against Boston? How much did the next guy average?
I remember there was a stat that said whenever the Celtics had their full starting line up of Garnett, pierce, Allen, rondo and Perkins, they never lost a series Perkins was hurt for game 7 I believe. Would the C’s have one had he played? Maybe, but we’ll never know
@@MandownsportsBro stop lying Kobe called Dirk when he was a free agent on his own nobody told him to do it second he called KG and said y didn't u come to LA that's what KG said and he wanted the Lakers to trade Andrew Bynum for Jason kidd those words came out of his mouth Kobe was no different from LeBron
@@MandownsportsRight he said out of his own mouth i called Dirk when he was a free agent he never said anyone told him to do it he also told a fan in the parking lot we should trade Andrew Bynum for Jason kidd are u gonna deny that too what about when he called KG and said y didn't u come to LA i guess he didn't do that either
@@MandownsportsWait so lying is irrelevant as long as we can try to discredit LeBron that's Goofy Logic Sir and it will never put Kobe in the goat conversation bro no matter how many lies you try to make up 😅😅😅😅😅
I one of millions that didn't like that bullshit move LeBron and Dwayne Wade pulled putting three superstars on one team in their prime to win championships
Honestly, if you play the game to win championships, this is a brilliant move to make. And ppl overlook the fact that it’s actually a challenge when you have that many #1’s together. Most superteams fail if you look back. But those guys who are you use to being the #1 option all now have to sacrifice to achieve the common goal of winning a championship. So it’s not as easy as most ppl believe it is
@@ODMRecords1 very fair point. And not only was it a star but someone who at that time was top 5 in the league and top 10 all time (at that time) who also came with 3 rings, 3 fmvp and a league mvp. So it that was monumental AND instrumental for wade
They met at the banana boat 😂😂. The lamest move in NBA history!!! Competing with each other instead of competing against each other!!! Can’t wait how they will turn that into a great thing in Lebrons docu😂
Yep, I remember that Carmelo wasn't there he was smart because you know CP3 and D Wade were pouring baby oil all over LeDiddy James out there on that boat... 😂😂
I've always said Lebron having 3 of the top 5 picks from his own draft was a shortcut (DWade and Bosh). Imagine MJ with 3 of the top 5 picks of his draft...put MJ, Hakeem, and Barkley on the same team and see how many rings they get! NO ONE on those Bulls teams would have been MJ's competition if they were on other teams as where Lebron should have been competing against his teammates. This same point also squashes the "without Pippen" trash as Pippen had a MJ-less Bulls team AND teamed with Hakeem and Barkley and FAILED with both.
They conspired to team up back in 2006. They signed contracts to make sure they were free agents at the same time. They took a 3 year deal instead of the typical 4 year contract. Melo screwed this up by signing the 4 year deal so Bron/Wade pivoted to Bosh to be the 3rd member. Rookie deals are 4 years so 2003 to 2007. Then they should've signed the 4 year max deal but chose to sign 3 year deals. Lebron, Wade, Melo, Bosh were all on that 2006 Fiba team. This is where they conspired to team up.
Sick of hearing that 07 Cavs team was trash. They were a top 5 defensive team in the league. Lebron is not solely responsible for that. 2009 Cavs won 66 games. 2010 Cavs won 61 games. Both seasons they had the # seed. Some fans just look at the rosters then and say garbage. Many Lebron fans weren't even watching back then. You can't win 66 games and say the team is trash and 1 guy was responsible for all those wins. If you think that you don't know ball.
DWade having Shaq isn’t comparable to the Heat and Cavs teams that Lebron had. Shaq was NOT Lakers Shaq, but he did play a critical role. However, Wade was the man in that Heat title run.
People forget LeBron and the Cavs had the best overall regular-season record in 2009 and 2010. Aside from Big Z, he had high-performing role players like Mo Williams, Daniel Gibson, Jamison, Varejao. In one year he had Joe Smith and Ben Wallace, in another Anthony Parker and Shaq. Kobe's core were basically Gasol, Odom, and Fisher, and the Lakers won back-to-back. LeBron ran out on Cleveland, plain and simple. He needed a situation where he had a stacked deck like the '08 Olympics. Wade should share some of the blame for participating in the Decision. My guess is he was aware he will not be able to carry the team on his back for long, after they traded Shaq away. What he probably didn't count on was the necessity of ceding control of the team to LeBron. As they say, you make a deal with the devil, you get your just rewards. Pat Riley and the Heat should have been fined for collusion. LeBron was somewhat punished, because while he turned in an MVP-worthy season, Derrick Rose ran away with the MVP trophy. And karma came in the form of Dallas beating the Heat in the 2011 Finals.
@@Milehigh_if lebron didn’t make that move to Miami KD wouldn’t have made that move to golden state. Lebron set that standard for building superteams . KD’s move to golden state gave lebron the taste of his own medicine.
That 2007 Cavalier team had 4 ex allstars, an ex steals champion, and 7 above league average 3point shooters along with LeBron. That is way more help than MJ ever had in his career.
Lebum missed the play in with Anthony Davis who ranks like 5th all time in PER. Jordan would never disgrace his legacy like that. Scottie isn't even on the top 130 list for best PER (literally) but Jordan carried him for the most part when Scottie played like garbage. Lebum could never surpass Jordan even with 50,000 points. If Lebum has 50,000 points but 8 to 9 thousand turnovers that doesn't move the needle for LeBalco's imaginary GOAT argument. 🤣🤣🤣
Then they try to compare MJ getting beat by the Pistons and the Celtics in his early years like HE was deficient as a player when Lebron had more help and still couldn’t win.
Too much is being made of the Cavs being such an underdog in the 2007 Finals. That Cleveland team won 50 games and was just three games back of top-seeded Detroit. It was just a stacked Western Conference which had 4 of the top 5 best records. The Spurs weren't a juggernaut, Phoenix was the favorite and Dallas was the top seed. Dallas choked in the first round, and Phoenix were screwed by the league in the WCSF vs. San Antonio. It still would have been an upset had the Cavaliers won, but it wasn't a David vs. Goliath situation as it was being covered by the media. Like the 2021 Hawks, the Cavs just arrived ahead of schedule. But they were no means a bad team.
@coolpeople7349 What All Stars are you talking about? Ilgauskas? This is not about who had a better team , LeBron or Jordan. That Cavs team had no business taking the Pistons to 7 games in LeBron's first playoff appearance , a Detroit team that had four all stars that year and had already been to multiple finals winning one and reaching the conference finals about four years straight. They also had no business beating that Detroit team the very next year in the conference finals in 6 games LeBron's second playoff appearance. second!
No... you're not supposed to just sit there, you're supposed to figure out how to win it. How to elevate your game, your teammates game. That's what everyone else had to do. They use Mike's 7 years of trying against him yet he overcame. LeBron somehow gets points for running from it? D. Wade fought through. Larry Bird fought through. Only one dude ran from the fight.
Some of that is valid but we can’t overlook coaching/organizations. We’ve all heard how poorly the Cavs was ran back then. MJ had Phil Jackson along with Ted winters who ushered in a game changer of an offense! And d wade had older but serviceable shaq, mourning, payton and pat Riley as his coach?? We can’t overlook that. But it’s funny how we say LeBron ran from the grind but collectively we say “dame shoulda been left Portland” lol.
@matthewpalmer7822 I don't say that about Dame #1 and #2 Dame and Lebron aren't remotely close cases. Lebron wants to be compared to MJ so that grading scale is way more strict than Dame's.
@matthewpalmer7822 Well... here we go with perspective again. Phil Jackson was a first-time head coach. He wasn't "Phil Jackson " as we know him. The Bulls, like the Cav's had never won a title. Say what you want about that Cleveland franchise at the time. People forget they damn near won 50 games the year before LeBron got there. They had two All-Stars on the team already. DWade had the guidance of all that Championship pedigree around him, true indeed, but when it was time to be the man and figure out how to orchestrate all that on the court HE had to do that. LeBron was right there. 7 years seemed to be the breaking point for people. People forget, Chicago lost to Detroit twice more after Scottie got there. That wasn't some instant fix. He had to grow up. He was terrible. Athletic yes, but weak minded and very unaggressive. The triangle was an experiment. That hadn't been proven. That whole idea was new. Mike faced that same criticism. He can play with the best of them, but can he win a championship? He answered the bell. Honestly, we don't know what LeBron James would be had he not took off. Personally, I thought losing to the Celtics that last time, having to deal with the rumors about his mom and Ole boy was going to be the thing to put that killer instinct in him but when he pulled the decision I jumped ship. That first 3 peat Chicago team was the least talented team 1-5 and were not favored throughout the entire run. He ran from the fight. Bottom line. He ran again once his guidance and shield got old in Miami. He knew the formula by then. His GM helped teach it to him, why not stay and trust? Nah, back home look good. Kyrie is the truth, I can convince Kevin Love to give up his own franchise and sign too... let's go home. Kyrie get tired of the bullshit... you know the routine. He's a fraud.
@ I read all of this and some validity in there. I’m a Bron fan but I’m not delusional like others. I would add that the pressure building up that he placed on himself and from the media made him panic and leave. Overall, as you said we don’t know what would’ve happened had he stayed. I often wonder would most respect him more if he stayed and had 0 to 2 rings? I was all for him leaving cause things was looking bleak in Cleveland Triangle was new that’s true but it didn’t take long for things to work. They won the title in Phil’s 2nd year as head coach, not saying it was all Phil hell no but after the bulls, Phil did it again with the lakers, and yep d wade had to show up and play but let’s not act like having one of the greatest coaches of all time doesn’t help with that. Just imagine a year 3/4 lebron getting Phil Jackson or Pat Riley as his coach, potential difference maker for the better wouldn’t you think?
@ he needed it for a time like now dummy, that’s why he needs other super stars to play with or else he’d win nothing, keep in mind he has to team up n team hop to win a ring, kyrie gave him one in Cleveland and he got the praise that’s why kyrie left oo fanboy!
The general consensus is that AI "didn't have anyone", even if that was right or wrong. People aren't going around saying "man if it wasn't for Matumbo..." 😆
@@Mandownsports definitely. 💯! I'm just correcting the part of the conversation about the general consensus of how the public viewed AI and the 76ers at that time and now. The general thoughts from the people and "the streets" were not "AI got there because of [insert name]." The reality is, right or wrong, the most dominant opinion on the topic is "AI carried Philly to The Finals."
Why is your panel guy riding Lebron nuts? His legacy is forever tarnished and we have the evidence to prove it. Put your feelings to the side and address the facts. He took a helicopter to the top and acted like he climbed 1000 flights of stairs to get there 🤦.
Folk forget Chris Paul was supposed to go to the Lakers that year or the year before before the league overturned it. Imagine kobe and CP3 on the same team
Lebron only went to the NBA finals in 2007 because Wade had the shoulder injury . Ben Wallace was no longer with the pistons . Caron butler and Gilbert arenas didn’t play a single minute of the series
The east was the weaker conference when LeFlop James was in the east and could only get 3 chips with super teams after playing in the eastern conference 15 seasons.. 😮 MJ won 6 chips in 14 seasons..🫡
@@boonebeasley9622 Wade won in 3 seasons lol could’ve been 2 but he was injured in game 5 vs the pistons . Notice how Wade turned around and won with the older Shaq Kobe couldn’t win with anymore
LeBron fans always want to over inflate Other people stats to make him look better. Shaq averaged 13 and 10 in the finals with the heat. Not the 34 and 14 with the lakers. Come on bro
@ nigga you can’t name 10 players better than Shaq at the time that’s the point that heat team better then any team Bron had his 1st stint with the cavs
Since his rookie year he had good players. Lb 20.9pts 5.9rb 5.5 ast Ricky Davis 15.3pts 5.5rb 5.0ast Jeff Mclnnis 11.7pts 2.6 rb 7.5 ast Carlos boozer 15.3pts 11.4rb Illgauskas 15.3pts 8.1rb Eric Williams 9.4pts Rookie Darius Miles 8.9 Not only they can played but the athelism and the speed that team had.
In theory I agree, but that also boils down to 2 other factors 1: what do the other teams in both conferences look like 2: d wade had been suffering serious injuries since his 4th season
@@matthewpalmer7822 If they use the money they spent on Lebron and get more quality role players around Wade and Bosh they definetly could win titles in 2011 and 2012.
The east was the weaker conference when LeFlop James was in the east and could only get 3 chips with super teams after playing in the eastern conference 15 seasons.. 😮 MJ won 6 chips in 14 seasons..🫡
That was an excellent point by the ladies. I've been saying this forever! The NBA/ESPN/endorsers collaborated to manufacture/manipulate LeBron's success. I have never ever seen anything like the stars LeBron gets everywhere he goes. The closest is the Yankees because they gave insane money, and Patriots because they had Tom Brady. At 39 they are still talking about trades to help LeBron! 🤯🤯🤯
Dude on the left is soo blind because of his love for Lebron. He’s talking about Wade had Shaq when Shaq only put up 13 & 10 in that finals. Big Z averaged 13 and 9 in the ECF vs the Pistons in Bron’s first Finals run but he’s downplaying big Z!! Straight hypocrisy or ignorance.
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This isn't the first time this came out. Melo turned down the move because he said he want to compete against them, CP3 didn't go because neither he nor Wade wanted to give up #3. To say Wade had Shaq is disingenuous, that coming from the same clowns who say LBJ did it on his own even though he had Wade, Bosh, Love, Kyrie & AD but try to devalue anyone else's ring.
Also..hold up..didn't Wade say multiple times before that the reason they teamed up was because they saw Kobe winning those last two years and they was like we got to beat this guy? Sounds like a lot of revisionist history based on his own statements 🫤
Yeah he did say that but I think that suggest collusion so he had to come back and clear that up. I believe both stories are true but the timeliness are shaky because he don't wanna make it seem like they colluded
Lebron didn’t have the talent during his first run with the Cavs? Are you guys serious? Yeah, he didn’t have a bunch of stars, but he had strong teams for 4-5 yrs once he made the playoffs in his 3rd season. He made a finals trip, multiple conference finals, and multiple seasons of winning 60+ games. The problem came down to 2 teams which were the Celtics and Magic that put him out of the playoffs. It was Lebron’s mentality that led him to leave the Cavs, not a lack of talent. He wanted shortcuts to titles by using free agency to stack teams. It is the same behavior that he is displaying with handling Bronny. Use his power to get what he wants the easy way. To hell with grinding and earning success.
@parawill7074 How many games did that Cavs team win after LeBron left? I'm pretty sure the Bulls win just as many games the 1985 season when Jordan broke his foot. That's how good that Cavs team was. How many games did the Bulls win without Jordan in 94? How many games did the Bulls win in 1995 without Jordan and Horance?
I wish people would just stop skipping over Kobe Bryant's name every time they start talking about the best of all time! IF KOBE BRYANT HAD NOT DIED AND WAS STILL ALIVE, THESE PEOPLE WHO KEEP LEAVING HIM OUT OF THAT SO CALLED G.O.A.T. CONVERSATION, WOULD NOT BE SAYING THE THINGS THAT THEY ARE SAYING. THAT GOES FOR GILBERT ARENAS, KENDRICK PERKINS, STEPHEN A. SMITH, MALIKA "B*TCH" ANDREWS , NICK WRIGHT, AND SHANNON SHARPE! STAND ON REAL BUISNESS PEOPLE. Lebron james has had more superstar and All-star help more than anyone in the history of the game. He is not a true competitor!
@boonebeasley9622 So what's the impact??? The only thing Shaq outdid Antoine Walker in those 2006 Finals were rebounds. By name, Shaq had an Impact, but everyone knew that he wasn't the Shaq of 2000-2002. By 2004, Shaq had already begun his decline. I'm simply saying that the Heat weren't a Shaq and Wade Team; they were a Wade Team.
@ are u basing this of what did you watch the 2006 finals or even was old enough to watch it or you goin off box score? Do you know how they got to the finals do you know anything?
@boonebeasley9622 You're cooked. This is what people do when they know they're cooked. It's the same thing people do when they bring up how much money they have, as if that changes anything. No. Even if I did tell you who they played, what does that have to do with me SPECIFICALLY talking about the 2006 Finals!?! Shaq never out-averaged Wade in those playoffs. It's the same argument that goes against Kobe when he played with Shaq. Shaq had better numbers than Kobe, overall, in their Finals runs. But Kobe had a much more significant impact than numbers would suggest. However, even though Shaq was good in the playoffs, we know what a prime Shaq looks like, and he wasn't that. It's ok, and Shaq was on the decline. He was an excellent second play behind D-Wade. But don't get it twisted. That was a D-Wade lead team. We know this because the 06 Heat were full of Vets, and Wade emerged as the main guy.
The absolute lack of competitive fire in the NBA today can be traced right back to this moment. Most players think they're entitled to winning and if they don't they either demand trades or team up. They sit out games because their "tired" but constantly tell us that this era's players are bigger, stronger faster. Then when we call them out they call us old head haters. Hopefully the European influx continues because that's the only thing that MIGHT save the NBA
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It was said before that Kobe had 5 Championships and Bron & Wade was competing with Kobe/ Wade only having 1 championship in the midst of the back & forth war between the Lakers & the Spurs/ However, Wade, Lebron, Bosh & Carmelo was suppose too be competing among them to see who was the Greatest between these guys/ and Wade had an edge over them by having Pat Riley Guiding Eric Spoelstra. Wade explain how it went down, and he knows what Lebron said and what Lebron was thinking about the merge and who he was trying to Chase.
Bron was doing what he wanted to do, y’all want him to let the owners lead him, he was leading his self. And in the future, you saw him do what the hell he want to do
The reason the NBA stop Kobe Bryant and CP3 is because they wanted LeBron to take over the face and he can't do that losing they tried to guarantee and make sure Kobe was losing if Kobe was winning and beating them LeBron couldn't be the face you don't respect the face of the NBA if they're losing the funny thing is LeBron still never lived up to the Kobe hype Kobe is still won more than him and outplayed him
😂 That "Laim 🙄" ass "Labum didn't go to college and D.Wade did" excuse is crap because remember Labum was too good out of "Highschool" to even go to college witch means the college level that D.Wade was on was on Labum was good enough to "skip it" and go straight to the NBA.
Some contradiction with a previous interview where D Wade said he called LeBron after Kobe won his 5th. So which is it eh? I'm hoping for this most recent one so I can look at D Wade a little better. That statue though... dude better complain for a repeat!
whole Lebron’s Career is manufactured. They needed a new face, changed the rules, the teamjumps, joining who he wants tonplay with, stats became more important than winning even when its wat easier to build up stats, all the trades for him, JJ now as coach, his son that didn’t play Good enough even for the g league. His career is a Joke in my eyes!!!
Dude said Dwade won by himself and disrespected Shaq, then turned around and said Big Z was legit. Everybody shouldn’t be talking basketball, narratives bruh
"only won two championships".................................... These people talking about these things are clueless about the effort needed in this life to achieve things
The revisionist history with Kobe is hilarious. Kobe is the “alpha” who went on Stephen A Smiths radio show and cried talking about he wanted to leave the lakers because it was too hard to win post Shaq. Kobe fans never mention that part.
Kobe requested it because the lakers weren’t doing anything to help but Kobe requested to the bulls to team up with Loul Deng but he didn’t try to create a superteam but dr Jerry buss convinced him to stay and they talked and things worked out . Kobe declined the trade after they worked things out.
A simple test of who’s greater. In MJ’s time if you placed him on the worst team in either conference they instantly become a title contender. You can’t even in honesty say you could do the same with Lebron because he HAS to have the right pieces around him who have to buy in to sacrificing their games and ALLOWING him to lead the team. MJ’s dominance and will to win instantly make the team a winner and his teammates have zero choice but to buy in.
How many games did the Bulls win before drafting Jordan? How many games did Jordan lead them to after being drafted? Jordan was drafted at 21 years old by the way. How many games did the Cavs win before drafting LeBron? How many games did LeBron lead them to after being drafted? LeBron was drafted at the age of 18 by the way.
Jordan is the goat and what you said seems and sounds pretty ideal BUT, truth be told. Jordan has had multiple coaches and could only win with ONE particular coach, same with Kobe, ONE particular coach Meaning as amazing as they both are, I don’t think they would or could just “win with anybody” every champion/championship team has to have “the right pieces” not just on the court might I add
The Chicago Bulls was the greatest super team ever created and Michael Jordan kept resigning 1 year contracts to rejoin it and rejoined it after his 1st retirement. Now that in and of itself is not a big deal. But the fact that Jordan could never get past the 2nd round without this team is a big deal. Couple that with the fact that Jordan could only win with Pippen's Bulls makes that a bigger story than this. (Pippen's Bulls is a differentiator for any Bulls team with BOTH Jordan and Pippen - Jordan's Bulls is any Bulls team with Jordan but without Pippen) Bron won REPEATEDLY without the Heat and Wade. Jordan could never ever win without Pippen's Bulls and MJ is stuck under Pippen's shadow for all eternity. You tell me what is the bigger story.
Now that championship, Dwade won with Shaq you got to remember LeBron had checked years prior to that he couldn’t do it with check so don’t say he had a good chat. His knees was beat up.
All three of those cats. lbj, Wade, Bosh colluded and opened the door to 15 years of chaos and erosion of the NBA.......cheated the game on every level
All due respect Mell. It was AFTER Dan Gilbert (Cavaliers) called the commissioner to complain about the Lakers getting 1 of the best players..that the NBA nixed the trade. Saying he had to go to a small market team. 1 week later they let him go to the Clippers..lol. so much for that logic..LA is no small market. That made it clear they didn't want Kobe nor the Lakers to win anymore..focus was on promoting LeBum
@Mandownsports tryna clean it up notice wade said there b different versions an this is his but wade really dry snitching ion really think him an bron bang no more how else can u explain him getting traded away from Cleveland
@@Mandownsports I been noticed it that's why he didn't show up for Wade at the hall of fame at one time they had a short video of wade an bron looking heated at each other in Cleveland ion believe a lot but I really believe he didn't tell Wade he was leaving Miami
LeBron reached the finals without a Shaq or a LeBron beside him , D Wade has never done that. Has D Wade ever made a conference finals without another top player beside him? Doubt it. Second round? Not so sure.
Bron was trying to get CP3 and Melo in Miami but then you can’t say he doesn’t want to compete.
Lebron is what happens when a kid is treated like a celebrity and coddled at such a young age that he never develops true character.
Winning at all costs no matter the collateral damage. Straight up toxic single mother energy.
The difference in growing up with or without a father is never talked about enough in Lebron’s lack of character.
I will cry when Lebron retires… tears of joy.
Absolutely!!!!
The difference between the stories of MJ compared to Lebron is already evident enough. The bs under the rug when lejoke retires will all surface sooner than later
@@NestyAngelFACTS it’s gonna kill his legacy because it’s no repercussion after he’s done playing all the gloves coming off
He also tried getting Steve Nash to Miami.
@kirbyaugustine761
Bruh, what does character have to do with jumping from team to team playing with "in prime elite personel" to achieve what other greats did? 🤔
Although his home life might have been questionable, I disagree about his character being called into question, because he, is if nothing else, a sound family man with morals and values. I have to give him credit for that aspect of his life, as far as we know. That might be called into question in May 2025, we'll just have to wait and see.
What he's done is simply no different then stacking teams in the park, letting bruhs that live across town use your aunts address so they can play for your high school, or errbody leaving AAU to go to the same college, scholarship or not.
Off court actions are about character, an other than talking about things he should at times inform himself more about before he speaks his characters not the issue, nore is his Mother, or absentee Father.
Yeah, he wants to compete as you said, as long as he can stack the deck against others and play with the best competition instead of competing against it!
He's not the only star who's come from humble beginnings with a lesser than proper foundation.
Y'all gon continually make excuses for this guy, I guess well after he retires also....I wonder what y'all gon say when the "Juice Elements" he NEVER gets tested for emerges before he gets to the HOF❓️❓️❓️
Or, are you one of the bruhs who thinks he should get in while he's still playing; "To Be The 1st To Do That Too?"
According to him, he deserves that privilege that no one else has ever claimed but him.
Man, y'all need to stop with all these excuses for this selfish, egotistical, greedy socialite who wants everything to be about him and his accomplishments!
Dam the way Kareem, Dr. J, Magic, Bird, MJ, Hakeem, Robinson & Duncan, Shaq, Dirk & Kobe did it! Take the past of least resistance like James and stack squads so that you no longer have to compete against the best....You play with them to win chips! That's his M.O....
The way Mel broke down that blocked chris paul trade it just let me know how fixed sports are. like WWE and Jerry Springer 😆
FACTS
The NBA was protecting Jordan. If Kobe had gotten one more title, an argument could have been made regarding his legacy. I don't think it would have added much to the Lakers for what they had to give up to get CP3 (Gasol to the Rockets, Odom to the Hornets/Pelicans), though it should be noted Andrew Bynum had an All-Star season in 2011-12. In the end it was New Orleans that got screwed - compare the potential haul from the Lakers/Rockets three-way deal (Odom, Kevin Martin, Luis Scola, Goran Dragic, and the Rockets' pick, which could have been used to select Draymond Green or Khris Middleton, who were still available) vs. what they got from the Clips (Eric Gordon, Chris Kaman, Al-Farouq Aminu, and the 10th pick in 2012, which became Austin Rivers). The only consolation was they got the top pick in 2012, when their odds were only third-best. The big winners were the Clippers, though they didn't parlay their opportunities into a title.
As a New Orleanian and a die hard Hornets/pelicans fan: I don’t think cp3 to the lakers would have got them a ring. No doubt they woulda been great together but why do most ppl overlook how cp3 is injury prone when this scenario is brought up
@@willingexile3374 Protecting Jordan by blocking the Chris Paul trade, but still letting Bron form superteams and hyping him up as GOAT? Bro, stop. Just stop.
You don't want us MJ fans to go in on your ass.
@@sportjames23 Man, that's funny. Look, some decisions can be incredulous for us outside the league office. That's my tinfoil hat theory. Even this LeBron hype is creating the necessary bulletin board material for Jordan fans to go in on someone's ass, to use your term. In the end, the league doesn't care who emerges the victor in the discussion, as long as people watch and merch gets sold. Only when there is pushback will the NBA do something about it.
EDIT: Why is Kobe not getting his props from the league? Because he had a sexual assault case. This was discussed in the panel, and I think the panelist was right. What does having underaged baby mamas have to do with Karl Malone's basketball legacy? Is he suddenly not good at basketball because of it? The league makes decisions for its own interest, and promotes players who align with its brand. LeBron is riding high now because he still plays. Once he retires it will be a different story.
Lebum ran to D Gayde and Bostrich to create a queendom together, but they underachieved. 👎 🤡🤡🤡🤣🤣🤣
@@psychedelicvault6951 agree Lebron in a 21 years as a winner hè underachieved big time picking who you want to play with!! The man never made a game winning Bucket in the finals even and got saved by to players for a chip!!!
He’s so overhyped, if you look how they can glaze up his son and he’s terrible even in the NBA, g, league and skool. Its pathetic!!!
@@keithkool8308 Lebum Jr is shooting 16% from the field and averages 1 point bruh. It's an abomination. I can't wait until Lebum retires he's ruined the NBA's integrity. Lol
@@psychedelicvault6951 its because of the rule change that the game is the weakest ever. Way easier to build up stats, can’t play solid defense, fundamentals and ballance is gone in the game, refs don’t even know when to call a foul anymore because of that. Its trashball!! They rather look good first win second!! Just watched Poland vs Belgium womans fiba basketball and its tuffer and more fun to watch than a NBA game that stops 60 per at the 3 point line 😂😂
They was at them diddy parties with Dwight around yo lip Howard
Wait hold up being back to back champs is underachieving WTF 🤔🤔
if the boston big 3 was so unbeatable how did kobe lead a team to beat them with a 1 time all star in Gasol? if that orlando team was so perfect when they beat the cavs how did kobe beat them pretty easily? the answer is lebron he was supposed to be the one who steps up in winning time but he would turn the ball over non stop his defense was terrible and mentally he would check out
He sorry bro a regular season wonder
@fullmetal1766 We could say Kevin Garnett was banged up in the 2010 finals, but it doesn't matter... LeBron took that Boston team to 7 games in 2008. How much did he average? How much did the next guy average? Put LeBron on that Lakers team that lost to Boston in the finals, and they beat that Boston team. How much did LeBron average against Orlando in 2009? How much did LeBron average in 2010 against Boston? How much did the next guy average?
@fullmetal1766 The year the Lakers beat Boston Gasol averaged 18pts , 11reb and 2+ blocks.
I remember there was a stat that said whenever the Celtics had their full starting line up of Garnett, pierce, Allen, rondo and Perkins, they never lost a series
Perkins was hurt for game 7 I believe. Would the C’s have one had he played? Maybe, but we’ll never know
Facts
Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, but 6 finals losses for LeBrick Blames. He's not on the top 6 NBA player list. 👎🧱🧱🧱🤣🤣🤣
There you have it. The beginning of the super teams.
Pretty much
Awesome that you guys all got to sit down together!
Yeah it was pretty fun for sure.
@@MandownsportsBro stop lying Kobe called Dirk when he was a free agent on his own nobody told him to do it second he called KG and said y didn't u come to LA that's what KG said and he wanted the Lakers to trade Andrew Bynum for Jason kidd those words came out of his mouth Kobe was no different from LeBron
@keithmitchell8372 I can only go off of what Kobe said out of his own mouth. Rather he told the truth or not is irrelevant 🤷
@@MandownsportsRight he said out of his own mouth i called Dirk when he was a free agent he never said anyone told him to do it he also told a fan in the parking lot we should trade Andrew Bynum for Jason kidd are u gonna deny that too what about when he called KG and said y didn't u come to LA i guess he didn't do that either
@@MandownsportsWait so lying is irrelevant as long as we can try to discredit LeBron that's Goofy Logic Sir and it will never put Kobe in the goat conversation bro no matter how many lies you try to make up 😅😅😅😅😅
I one of millions that didn't like that bullshit move LeBron and Dwayne Wade pulled putting three superstars on one team in their prime to win championships
It went against decades of traditional norms in the NBA and was a sucker move BUT you a hater if you call them suckas.
Great job Dirk
Honestly, if you play the game to win championships, this is a brilliant move to make. And ppl overlook the fact that it’s actually a challenge when you have that many #1’s together.
Most superteams fail if you look back. But those guys who are you use to being the #1 option all now have to sacrifice to achieve the common goal of winning a championship. So it’s not as easy as most ppl believe it is
@@matthewpalmer7822the good thing was D. Wade already was use to having another star around. He got to learn that early when Shaq came around
@@ODMRecords1 very fair point. And not only was it a star but someone who at that time was top 5 in the league and top 10 all time (at that time) who also came with 3 rings, 3 fmvp and a league mvp. So it that was monumental AND instrumental for wade
They met at the banana boat 😂😂. The lamest move in NBA history!!! Competing with each other instead of competing against each other!!! Can’t wait how they will turn that into a great thing in Lebrons docu😂
Yep, I remember that Carmelo wasn't there he was smart because you know CP3 and D Wade were pouring baby oil all over LeDiddy James out there on that boat... 😂😂
I've always said Lebron having 3 of the top 5 picks from his own draft was a shortcut (DWade and Bosh). Imagine MJ with 3 of the top 5 picks of his draft...put MJ, Hakeem, and Barkley on the same team and see how many rings they get! NO ONE on those Bulls teams would have been MJ's competition if they were on other teams as where Lebron should have been competing against his teammates. This same point also squashes the "without Pippen" trash as Pippen had a MJ-less Bulls team AND teamed with Hakeem and Barkley and FAILED with both.
Give MJ that early Cavs team and they’re instant contenders every season.
@@kirbyaugustine761 definitely, compared to the dr%gged up team MJ came into in the mid 80's...
Exactly
They conspired to team up back in 2006. They signed contracts to make sure they were free agents at the same time. They took a 3 year deal instead of the typical 4 year contract. Melo screwed this up by signing the 4 year deal so Bron/Wade pivoted to Bosh to be the 3rd member. Rookie deals are 4 years so 2003 to 2007. Then they should've signed the 4 year max deal but chose to sign 3 year deals. Lebron, Wade, Melo, Bosh were all on that 2006 Fiba team. This is where they conspired to team up.
Based on Wade he had no thoughts of playing with LeBron so either that’s a lie about the contract or he’s telling a lie about playing with him.
When Lebron fans cant argue stats they go straight to insults and jokes...😂😂😂.
That's very true lol 😆
Sick of hearing that 07 Cavs team was trash. They were a top 5 defensive team in the league. Lebron is not solely responsible for that. 2009 Cavs won 66 games. 2010 Cavs won 61 games. Both seasons they had the # seed. Some fans just look at the rosters then and say garbage. Many Lebron fans weren't even watching back then. You can't win 66 games and say the team is trash and 1 guy was responsible for all those wins. If you think that you don't know ball.
Say it again bro
DWade having Shaq isn’t comparable to the Heat and Cavs teams that Lebron had. Shaq was NOT Lakers Shaq, but he did play a critical role. However, Wade was the man in that Heat title run.
People forget LeBron and the Cavs had the best overall regular-season record in 2009 and 2010. Aside from Big Z, he had high-performing role players like Mo Williams, Daniel Gibson, Jamison, Varejao. In one year he had Joe Smith and Ben Wallace, in another Anthony Parker and Shaq. Kobe's core were basically Gasol, Odom, and Fisher, and the Lakers won back-to-back. LeBron ran out on Cleveland, plain and simple. He needed a situation where he had a stacked deck like the '08 Olympics.
Wade should share some of the blame for participating in the Decision. My guess is he was aware he will not be able to carry the team on his back for long, after they traded Shaq away. What he probably didn't count on was the necessity of ceding control of the team to LeBron. As they say, you make a deal with the devil, you get your just rewards. Pat Riley and the Heat should have been fined for collusion. LeBron was somewhat punished, because while he turned in an MVP-worthy season, Derrick Rose ran away with the MVP trophy. And karma came in the form of Dallas beating the Heat in the 2011 Finals.
I'm sick of all these LeXcuses.....😂
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2010's Decision is the weakest move in sports history, immediately out the GOAT debate
LeBron’s meltdown in the 2011 Finals definitely nailed that coffin shut
It's the second weakest move in NBA history after Durant's decision going to Golden State
@@Milehigh_ Doesn't happen without James running.
@sunshinehwy u don't know that for sure so KD's move is still the weakest in nba history
@@Milehigh_if lebron didn’t make that move to Miami KD wouldn’t have made that move to golden state. Lebron set that standard for building superteams . KD’s move to golden state gave lebron the taste of his own medicine.
That 2007 Cavalier team had 4 ex allstars, an ex steals champion, and 7 above league average 3point shooters along with LeBron. That is way more help than MJ ever had in his career.
Lebum missed the play in with Anthony Davis who ranks like 5th all time in PER. Jordan would never disgrace his legacy like that. Scottie isn't even on the top 130 list for best PER (literally) but Jordan carried him for the most part when Scottie played like garbage. Lebum could never surpass Jordan even with 50,000 points. If Lebum has 50,000 points but 8 to 9 thousand turnovers that doesn't move the needle for LeBalco's imaginary GOAT argument. 🤣🤣🤣
Not to mention Dwade shoulder injury , Ben Wallace no longer with pistons
Then they try to compare MJ getting beat by the Pistons and the Celtics in his early years like HE was deficient as a player when Lebron had more help and still couldn’t win.
Too much is being made of the Cavs being such an underdog in the 2007 Finals. That Cleveland team won 50 games and was just three games back of top-seeded Detroit. It was just a stacked Western Conference which had 4 of the top 5 best records. The Spurs weren't a juggernaut, Phoenix was the favorite and Dallas was the top seed. Dallas choked in the first round, and Phoenix were screwed by the league in the WCSF vs. San Antonio. It still would have been an upset had the Cavaliers won, but it wasn't a David vs. Goliath situation as it was being covered by the media. Like the 2021 Hawks, the Cavs just arrived ahead of schedule. But they were no means a bad team.
@coolpeople7349 What All Stars are you talking about? Ilgauskas? This is not about who had a better team , LeBron or Jordan. That Cavs team had no business taking the Pistons to 7 games in LeBron's first playoff appearance , a Detroit team that had four all stars that year and had already been to multiple finals winning one and reaching the conference finals about four years straight. They also had no business beating that Detroit team the very next year in the conference finals in 6 games LeBron's second playoff appearance. second!
Lol bron needed wade to win, bc Wade was a winner already. What's sad is Wade is better then LeBron
No... you're not supposed to just sit there, you're supposed to figure out how to win it. How to elevate your game, your teammates game. That's what everyone else had to do. They use Mike's 7 years of trying against him yet he overcame. LeBron somehow gets points for running from it? D. Wade fought through. Larry Bird fought through. Only one dude ran from the fight.
You preaching 🙌
Some of that is valid but we can’t overlook coaching/organizations. We’ve all heard how poorly the Cavs was ran back then. MJ had Phil Jackson along with Ted winters who ushered in a game changer of an offense! And d wade had older but serviceable shaq, mourning, payton and pat Riley as his coach?? We can’t overlook that.
But it’s funny how we say LeBron ran from the grind but collectively we say “dame shoulda been left Portland” lol.
@matthewpalmer7822 I don't say that about Dame #1 and #2 Dame and Lebron aren't remotely close cases. Lebron wants to be compared to MJ so that grading scale is way more strict than Dame's.
@matthewpalmer7822 Well... here we go with perspective again. Phil Jackson was a first-time head coach. He wasn't "Phil Jackson " as we know him. The Bulls, like the Cav's had never won a title. Say what you want about that Cleveland franchise at the time. People forget they damn near won 50 games the year before LeBron got there. They had two All-Stars on the team already. DWade had the guidance of all that Championship pedigree around him, true indeed, but when it was time to be the man and figure out how to orchestrate all that on the court HE had to do that. LeBron was right there. 7 years seemed to be the breaking point for people. People forget, Chicago lost to Detroit twice more after Scottie got there. That wasn't some instant fix. He had to grow up. He was terrible. Athletic yes, but weak minded and very unaggressive. The triangle was an experiment. That hadn't been proven. That whole idea was new. Mike faced that same criticism. He can play with the best of them, but can he win a championship? He answered the bell. Honestly, we don't know what LeBron James would be had he not took off. Personally, I thought losing to the Celtics that last time, having to deal with the rumors about his mom and Ole boy was going to be the thing to put that killer instinct in him but when he pulled the decision I jumped ship. That first 3 peat Chicago team was the least talented team 1-5 and were not favored throughout the entire run. He ran from the fight. Bottom line. He ran again once his guidance and shield got old in Miami. He knew the formula by then. His GM helped teach it to him, why not stay and trust? Nah, back home look good. Kyrie is the truth, I can convince Kevin Love to give up his own franchise and sign too... let's go home. Kyrie get tired of the bullshit... you know the routine. He's a fraud.
@ I read all of this and some validity in there. I’m a Bron fan but I’m not delusional like others. I would add that the pressure building up that he placed on himself and from the media made him panic and leave. Overall, as you said we don’t know what would’ve happened had he stayed. I often wonder would most respect him more if he stayed and had 0 to 2 rings? I was all for him leaving cause things was looking bleak in Cleveland
Triangle was new that’s true but it didn’t take long for things to work. They won the title in Phil’s 2nd year as head coach, not saying it was all Phil hell no but after the bulls, Phil did it again with the lakers, and yep d wade had to show up and play but let’s not act like having one of the greatest coaches of all time doesn’t help with that.
Just imagine a year 3/4 lebron getting Phil Jackson or Pat Riley as his coach, potential difference maker for the better wouldn’t you think?
Bron definitely should have taken his az to college. His game needed it....because he still has the same weaknesses he had when he was first drafted.
That’s why he’s Lebum lol 😂
LeBron came in averaging 20 a game on all your favorite players...what the hell did he need college for?
Elaborate on the particular weaknesses that he still has
@ he needed it for a time like now dummy, that’s why he needs other super stars to play with or else he’d win nothing, keep in mind he has to team up n team hop to win a ring, kyrie gave him one in Cleveland and he got the praise that’s why kyrie left oo fanboy!
@@mackavelimillz You act as if he was averaging 30. That’s not goat worthy
This was such a great show big dawg!!
Mel I love the new layout of the show!! Salute brother!
The general consensus is that AI "didn't have anyone", even if that was right or wrong. People aren't going around saying "man if it wasn't for Matumbo..." 😆
AI didn't have the big name help but that team was perfectly built around his strengths and weaknesses
@@Mandownsports definitely. 💯! I'm just correcting the part of the conversation about the general consensus of how the public viewed AI and the 76ers at that time and now.
The general thoughts from the people and "the streets" were not "AI got there because of [insert name]."
The reality is, right or wrong, the most dominant opinion on the topic is "AI carried Philly to The Finals."
Why is your panel guy riding Lebron nuts? His legacy is forever tarnished and we have the evidence to prove it. Put your feelings to the side and address the facts. He took a helicopter to the top and acted like he climbed 1000 flights of stairs to get there 🤦.
No arguments there
Lebron is the REASON his teams lost at least TWO finals!! Lebron wet the bed and he turned the ball over too much!!
Like I always said Lebron started Superteams 😎😎😎
Thank I agree. I don’t take lebron fan boys so seriously I ignore them
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Folk forget Chris Paul was supposed to go to the Lakers that year or the year before before the league overturned it. Imagine kobe and CP3 on the same team
D-Wade had a still formidable Shaq, a Zo, An Antoine Walker, GP. That was a GOOD TEAM!! #theformatpodcast
Everyone of them out of their prime
Lebron only went to the NBA finals in 2007 because Wade had the shoulder injury . Ben Wallace was no longer with the pistons . Caron butler and Gilbert arenas didn’t play a single minute of the series
The east was the weaker conference when LeFlop James was in the east and could only get 3 chips with super teams after playing in the eastern conference 15 seasons.. 😮
MJ won 6 chips in 14 seasons..🫡
@@Jaymoe-lh6rlsame weak east that nobody else could do anything in?😂
@boonebeasley9622 D Wade won a championship in that same east.. Now go have a seat LeDiddy James baby oil glazer..
@@boonebeasley9622 Wade won in 3 seasons lol could’ve been 2 but he was injured in game 5 vs the pistons . Notice how Wade turned around and won with the older Shaq Kobe couldn’t win with anymore
@@moneymitchamp In the same weak east wade couldn’t even win a series without Shaq while lebron was winning 60 games with Mo Williams
LeBron fans always want to over inflate Other people stats to make him look better. Shaq averaged 13 and 10 in the finals with the heat. Not the 34 and 14 with the lakers. Come on bro
What he average the whole season tho in the playoffs not just the finals
@@westside5953 he averaged 20 and 9, for the season. What’s your point? You commented because he scored 7 more points and 1 less rebound.
@ how many was scoring 20 avg 9 ?
@@westside5953 this is a useless debate because I have no idea what point you trying to make. Shaq was no where near the player he was at that time.
@ nigga you can’t name 10 players better than Shaq at the time that’s the point that heat team better then any team Bron had his 1st stint with the cavs
Since his rookie year he had good players.
Lb 20.9pts 5.9rb 5.5 ast
Ricky Davis 15.3pts 5.5rb 5.0ast
Jeff Mclnnis 11.7pts 2.6 rb 7.5 ast
Carlos boozer 15.3pts 11.4rb
Illgauskas 15.3pts 8.1rb
Eric Williams 9.4pts
Rookie Darius Miles 8.9
Not only they can played but the athelism and the speed that team had.
Facts!
Honestly, Wade-Bosh win at least two championships in MIA themselves as well
In theory I agree, but that also boils down to 2 other factors
1: what do the other teams in both conferences look like
2: d wade had been suffering serious injuries since his 4th season
@@matthewpalmer7822 If they use the money they spent on Lebron and get more quality role players around Wade and Bosh they definetly could win titles in 2011 and 2012.
@ possibly yea. But I wouldn’t just book it a a guarantee but I agree they would be the favorites (depending on where Bron went as well)
The east was the weaker conference when LeFlop James was in the east and could only get 3 chips with super teams after playing in the eastern conference 15 seasons.. 😮
MJ won 6 chips in 14 seasons..🫡
@@Jaymoe-lh6rl yikes 😬
That was an excellent point by the ladies. I've been saying this forever! The NBA/ESPN/endorsers collaborated to manufacture/manipulate LeBron's success. I have never ever seen anything like the stars LeBron gets everywhere he goes. The closest is the Yankees because they gave insane money, and Patriots because they had Tom Brady. At 39 they are still talking about trades to help LeBron! 🤯🤯🤯
Dude on the left is soo blind because of his love for Lebron.
He’s talking about Wade had Shaq when Shaq only put up 13 & 10 in that finals. Big Z averaged 13 and 9 in the ECF vs the Pistons in Bron’s first Finals run but he’s downplaying big Z!! Straight hypocrisy or ignorance.
Lebron will never be like mike or kobe
Facts d wade came in running period
Damn yall have a set now. OK Mel I see you Boi boi!
Nah not yet, we rented that one out but we're working on getting our own
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This isn't the first time this came out. Melo turned down the move because he said he want to compete against them, CP3 didn't go because neither he nor Wade wanted to give up #3. To say Wade had Shaq is disingenuous, that coming from the same clowns who say LBJ did it on his own even though he had Wade, Bosh, Love, Kyrie & AD but try to devalue anyone else's ring.
LeBron had a bright idea but he forgot about the minimum guys, big mistake 😂
Lol
Also..hold up..didn't Wade say multiple times before that the reason they teamed up was because they saw Kobe winning those last two years and they was like we got to beat this guy? Sounds like a lot of revisionist history based on his own statements 🫤
Yeah he did say that but I think that suggest collusion so he had to come back and clear that up. I believe both stories are true but the timeliness are shaky because he don't wanna make it seem like they colluded
Ahhh I see. Wade thinks he's slick lol smh. We didn't forget
All Bron(Braun) and no brains!!😂
The dark ages of the competitive nba. Clowns tried to ruin the league.
Why dude in the red cap tripping?
@@Goldmind6-p7r because he's the Lebron Super Fan on ManDown.
Man just thinking tha same thing man he CAPPING
He’s a devout Lebronamaniac!
I don't know if he's playing a role or if he's really a LeBron stan.
See you you guys forget that LeBron also had shack for two years before we had him in Cleveland. Remember, come on male you should notice.
You right but I didn't think it was relevant at the time
Lebron didn’t have the talent during his first run with the Cavs? Are you guys serious? Yeah, he didn’t have a bunch of stars, but he had strong teams for 4-5 yrs once he made the playoffs in his 3rd season. He made a finals trip, multiple conference finals, and multiple seasons of winning 60+ games. The problem came down to 2 teams which were the Celtics and Magic that put him out of the playoffs. It was Lebron’s mentality that led him to leave the Cavs, not a lack of talent. He wanted shortcuts to titles by using free agency to stack teams. It is the same behavior that he is displaying with handling Bronny. Use his power to get what he wants the easy way. To hell with grinding and earning success.
@parawill7074 How many games did that Cavs team win after LeBron left? I'm pretty sure the Bulls win just as many games the 1985 season when Jordan broke his foot. That's how good that Cavs team was. How many games did the Bulls win without Jordan in 94? How many games did the Bulls win in 1995 without Jordan and Horance?
I wish people would just stop skipping over Kobe Bryant's name every time they start talking about the best of all time! IF KOBE BRYANT HAD NOT DIED AND WAS STILL ALIVE, THESE PEOPLE WHO KEEP LEAVING HIM OUT OF THAT SO CALLED G.O.A.T. CONVERSATION, WOULD NOT BE SAYING THE THINGS THAT THEY ARE SAYING. THAT GOES FOR GILBERT ARENAS, KENDRICK PERKINS, STEPHEN A. SMITH, MALIKA "B*TCH" ANDREWS , NICK WRIGHT, AND SHANNON SHARPE! STAND ON REAL BUISNESS PEOPLE. Lebron james has had more superstar and All-star help more than anyone in the history of the game. He is not a true competitor!
D wade led the heat to the Finals
Lebron was getting SWEPT by the Spurs before he went to MIAMI
Bird and Magic didn't like each other. They became friends later on.
Nobody can revise history like a LeBron Stan🤦🏽♂️😂😂
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Antoine Walker averaged more points in those 2006 Finals than Shaq.
Your a casual who don’t know basketball lol anyone who thinks Walker was more impactful than shaq is delusional
@boonebeasley9622 So what's the impact??? The only thing Shaq outdid Antoine Walker in those 2006 Finals were rebounds. By name, Shaq had an Impact, but everyone knew that he wasn't the Shaq of 2000-2002. By 2004, Shaq had already begun his decline. I'm simply saying that the Heat weren't a Shaq and Wade Team; they were a Wade Team.
@ are u basing this of what did you watch the 2006 finals or even was old enough to watch it or you goin off box score? Do you know how they got to the finals do you know anything?
@ can you tell me who they played in the first 3 rounds without using google? If not don’t speak on the topic
@boonebeasley9622 You're cooked. This is what people do when they know they're cooked. It's the same thing people do when they bring up how much money they have, as if that changes anything. No. Even if I did tell you who they played, what does that have to do with me SPECIFICALLY talking about the 2006 Finals!?! Shaq never out-averaged Wade in those playoffs. It's the same argument that goes against Kobe when he played with Shaq. Shaq had better numbers than Kobe, overall, in their Finals runs. But Kobe had a much more significant impact than numbers would suggest. However, even though Shaq was good in the playoffs, we know what a prime Shaq looks like, and he wasn't that. It's ok, and Shaq was on the decline. He was an excellent second play behind D-Wade. But don't get it twisted. That was a D-Wade lead team. We know this because the 06 Heat were full of Vets, and Wade emerged as the main guy.
D. Wade did single handedly win the Championship against Dallas. Everyone on that team said he was the reason they won
Both of the women was a 100% correct
The absolute lack of competitive fire in the NBA today can be traced right back to this moment. Most players think they're entitled to winning and if they don't they either demand trades or team up. They sit out games because their "tired" but constantly tell us that this era's players are bigger, stronger faster. Then when we call them out they call us old head haters. Hopefully the European influx continues because that's the only thing that MIGHT save the NBA
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The beta era is the PERFECT name for LeBron’s “era”.
It was said before that Kobe had 5 Championships and Bron & Wade was competing with Kobe/ Wade only having 1 championship in the midst of the back & forth war between the Lakers & the Spurs/ However, Wade, Lebron, Bosh & Carmelo was suppose too be competing among them to see who was the Greatest between these guys/ and Wade had an edge over them by having Pat Riley Guiding Eric Spoelstra.
Wade explain how it went down, and he knows what Lebron said and what Lebron was thinking about the merge and who he was trying to Chase.
Comparing rosters that lakers squad kobe was taking to the finals wasnt that much better than the first stint cleveland lebron had 🤷🏾♂️
Imagine MJ calling Bird to join the Celtics lol
Never compare these guys it's night and day.
Bron was doing what he wanted to do, y’all want him to let the owners lead him, he was leading his self. And in the future, you saw him do what the hell he want to do
This statement is highly confusing
Joe Johnson was also on a free agent that summer.....
You're absolutely right!
Didn’t call LeBron James, the chosen one
The reason the NBA stop Kobe Bryant and CP3 is because they wanted LeBron to take over the face and he can't do that losing they tried to guarantee and make sure Kobe was losing if Kobe was winning and beating them LeBron couldn't be the face you don't respect the face of the NBA if they're losing the funny thing is LeBron still never lived up to the Kobe hype Kobe is still won more than him and outplayed him
That's very possible
😂 That "Laim 🙄" ass "Labum didn't go to college and D.Wade did" excuse is crap because remember Labum was too good out of "Highschool" to even go to college witch means the college level that D.Wade was on was on Labum was good enough to "skip it" and go straight to the NBA.
They should've went to Chicago
Y'alls king been jumping ship, calling stars to play wit him "FOR DECADES!"
Mello wasn't takin a pay cut in N.Y. if they were tryin to go there....
Duuuh. We've known this shit for 15 years.
True 💯
New York, Chicago, obviously Miami.
Something tells me New Orleans and Cleveland were not on the list.
Some contradiction with a previous interview where D Wade said he called LeBron after Kobe won his 5th. So which is it eh? I'm hoping for this most recent one so I can look at D Wade a little better. That statue though... dude better complain for a repeat!
It was a shrewd move by Old Man Flop to hit MIA. What is disgusting is how he is the only one to get credit for the ‘Heatles’ moderate success
Of course. The overhyped Loser who wants shortcuts is the one who plans it. Balco!
whole Lebron’s Career is manufactured. They needed a new face, changed the rules, the teamjumps, joining who he wants tonplay with, stats became more important than winning even when its wat easier to build up stats, all the trades for him, JJ now as coach, his son that didn’t play Good enough even for the g league. His career is a Joke in my eyes!!!
Dude said Dwade won by himself and disrespected Shaq, then turned around and said Big Z was legit. Everybody shouldn’t be talking basketball, narratives bruh
Foos clickin up!!
Lol
Labron is STILL NOT a Superstar " NEVER " 👎!!!
Yikes 😲
No he is if he wasn't the Miami decision wouldn't be a big deal
Alonzo was more of a help than Shaq in Miami 🤷🏽♂️
Lebron is a manufactured superstar
"only won two championships".................................... These people talking about these things are clueless about the effort needed in this life to achieve things
Ilgauskas vs Luc Longley. Who do you think is better. Lebronsexual is finding excuses again.
Great point
Quit taking up for lebum if can’t handle the facts
The revisionist history with Kobe is hilarious. Kobe is the “alpha” who went on Stephen A Smiths radio show and cried talking about he wanted to leave the lakers because it was too hard to win post Shaq. Kobe fans never mention that part.
Kobe requested it because the lakers weren’t doing anything to help but Kobe requested to the bulls to team up with Loul Deng but he didn’t try to create a superteam but dr Jerry buss convinced him to stay and they talked and things worked out . Kobe declined the trade after they worked things out.
A simple test of who’s greater. In MJ’s time if you placed him on the worst team in either conference they instantly become a title contender.
You can’t even in honesty say you could do the same with Lebron because he HAS to have the right pieces around him who have to buy in to sacrificing their games and ALLOWING him to lead the team.
MJ’s dominance and will to win instantly make the team a winner and his teammates have zero choice but to buy in.
How many games did the Bulls win before drafting Jordan? How many games did Jordan lead them to after being drafted? Jordan was drafted at 21 years old by the way. How many games did the Cavs win before drafting LeBron? How many games did LeBron lead them to after being drafted? LeBron was drafted at the age of 18 by the way.
Jordan is the goat and what you said seems and sounds pretty ideal BUT, truth be told. Jordan has had multiple coaches and could only win with ONE particular coach, same with Kobe, ONE particular coach
Meaning as amazing as they both are, I don’t think they would or could just “win with anybody” every champion/championship team has to have “the right pieces” not just on the court might I add
Pretty much what the ny knicks doing now.
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The Chicago Bulls was the greatest super team ever created and Michael Jordan kept resigning 1 year contracts to rejoin it and rejoined it after his 1st retirement. Now that in and of itself is not a big deal. But the fact that Jordan could never get past the 2nd round without this team is a big deal. Couple that with the fact that Jordan could only win with Pippen's Bulls makes that a bigger story than this. (Pippen's Bulls is a differentiator for any Bulls team with BOTH Jordan and Pippen - Jordan's Bulls is any Bulls team with Jordan but without Pippen) Bron won REPEATEDLY without the Heat and Wade. Jordan could never ever win without Pippen's Bulls and MJ is stuck under Pippen's shadow for all eternity. You tell me what is the bigger story.
Now that championship, Dwade won with Shaq you got to remember LeBron had checked years prior to that he couldn’t do it with check so don’t say he had a good chat. His knees was beat up.
This wasn’t the come out 80s 90s.. D wade had Shaq.. If Shaq was with Bron that would’ve been Bron winning
All three of those cats. lbj, Wade, Bosh colluded and opened the door to 15 years of chaos and erosion of the NBA.......cheated the game on every level
All due respect Mell. It was AFTER Dan Gilbert (Cavaliers) called the commissioner to complain about the Lakers getting 1 of the best players..that the NBA nixed the trade. Saying he had to go to a small market team. 1 week later they let him go to the Clippers..lol. so much for that logic..LA is no small market. That made it clear they didn't want Kobe nor the Lakers to win anymore..focus was on promoting LeBum
@@rogerlowery9707 I can buy that
That was all dwade all 3 chips
Good video
I'm confused. I thought most people knew that James set up the meeting.
Then how were they going to possibly pull off getting Melo or cp3? 🤔
Carmelo wasnt a Free Agent
I could’ve swore I heard the Dwyane Wade say the Miami Heat made that 3 star move not LeBron
nope
Sounds like tampering first of all
That's exactly what it was but he is saying they only talked when they were all free agents
@Mandownsports tryna clean it up notice wade said there b different versions an this is his but wade really dry snitching ion really think him an bron bang no more how else can u explain him getting traded away from Cleveland
@CorneliusMahone that's a very interesting observation. I think it's some truth to that 🤔
@@Mandownsports I been noticed it that's why he didn't show up for Wade at the hall of fame at one time they had a short video of wade an bron looking heated at each other in Cleveland ion believe a lot but I really believe he didn't tell Wade he was leaving Miami
@CorneliusMahone yeah it's sumtn there
LeBron reached the finals without a Shaq or a LeBron beside him , D Wade has never done that. Has D Wade ever made a conference finals without another top player beside him? Doubt it. Second round? Not so sure.