I’m a Hoyt PSE fan. I’ve had to in the past scoff @ MFJJ assessment on his past Hoyt reviews. At times saying he’s full of shit. He’s historically gave better reviews and comments to Bowtech and Mathews. Just imho. You can go back and watch them for yourself. I felt overly critical on Hoyt. This year ? Almost comical about face. Almost like he’s done with shooting a Bowtech if he actually still shoots one after their melt down and wanting a Hoyt sponsorship? As for the shims. Hoyt is a technical bow company. Bows with sliding axles adjusts like Bowtech, Elite, even PSE lend possibilities of moving. Hoyt being a huge big game bow design do not want to hear a bows tune was ruined miles back and miles high in the mountains ruining a drop camp type hunt. Shims are your surest way to lock down your tune. Locked down the shims don’t move. So you take the time to get it done. I’ll take the shims. It’s the binary way. The 4 track assists with can lean keeping things tight. Not a bad bow here. But I was wanting a new riser Z1S. No such luck right now.
RATTLE ZONE, I like that term. When you pull back and hit full draw that rattle the bow does. Might want to talk about that in your reviews. Good job love your reviews keep it going
Enjoy the channel very much. I’ve always been a Hoyt fan, but am shooting an Elite Era that I like a lot. The speed is only 2fps, the Era seems quieter and obviously lighter. This reminds me of the Hoyt Supertec. I’m always looking for improvement, never shot a Carbon Hoyt.
Like the axle to axle on this bow right in the middle not to short not to long. This could definitely be a bow that is a front runner depending on what a couple other brands do
When you get it in, can you do a speed comparison between the AX-2 29.5 and AX-2 29.5 SD both set at 27" to see if the SD is worth the move or the standard cam is better with the individual mods.
See, being on a scale of 100 and being weighted equally across all brands makes these real easy to compare between videos. Leaning towards the new Darton for my next season bow, a 70 is hard to beat.
Who cares? Do you need to tune your bow every week? Chances are, not even close. If you can afford a new hoyt, mathews, etc.. you should be able to afford a press.
I am kind of mixed on the tuning aspect. Having more simple adjustments is great, but it's also more stuff to get out of tune or improperly tuned. Also, as others have mentioned, once it is tuned properly you shouldn't have to re-tune unless you change something. So how often do the majority of archery shooters really need to tune their bow?
I personally love your videos and content but I do have on small gripe when you test the manufacturer specs and there measurements and there spot on you can't dock them point for it it shouldn't be based on what you think it should be how honest they are like the weight it was spot on but you docked them 2 points I don't agree with that but the draw length being long and the brace being long ok I get and the intergrated accessories that hoyt and mathews do are the best in the game i don't get how you dock points for that as well and I get the tuning can be a pain but I still think it's a little unfair in that aspect of it docking points when the measurements are spot on other then that bro keep it up love to see more content in the future!!
Give us meatheads a test of all the 80+lbs bows…. Would love to see the speeds, sound and overall opinion. Personally I’m holding out another year hoping that someone will make a n awesome “big boy” bow . My 83# Ventum shoots awesome but itching to upgrade to get some of the new integration features that have came out over the last few years.
Can you measure the full draw stability on each bow? Lancaster Archery said that's the most important measurement when shooting long range. The reason PSE mach 30 and 33 shoot so good at long ranges is because the brace height grows 1 or 2 inches at full draw. I want to know what other bows measure out to be.
He isn’t going to do it. Trust me. Been commenting about taking this measurement instead of reflex for years. No response. It would blow his mind if he measured any Mathews hunting bow. But kudos to Mathews for getting speed and smooth draw for a bow we are really only shooting short distances with. I would really only expect people with a year of engineering school under their belt to be able to understand the concept and why this measurement matters. In the past limb and cam design was significantly different and a simple brace height measurement told you almost everything you need to know since every bow featured “full draw stability”. When companies pushed holding weight down and brace height down and extreme limb angles it sacrificed the bows resistance to torque to gain in riser length and speed. From Josh’s own admission, he doesn’t read comments. So as much as we may try to teach, question, or understand, it falls on deaf ears and he’s just going to keep doing his own thing no matter what we say and that’s ok.
If you search he explains it in a video, measures where the limb pocket is to the inside of grip, less reflex will have benefits of not being able to torque bow with your grip as easy with something with more reflex (I think)
Love your reviews. Thank you for doing them. Out of curiosity, how often have you had to alter the spacers or any of the other tunability items you are indicating Hoyt bows lack?
I know you not asking me. But Iv been using the spacer system for a few years now. They hold tune very well and it seems very forgiving with differing arrow spines.
Floating yolks means you need to pull the axles to fully replace cables, correct? On a related note, I wonder if they will license the Darton patent so you can adjust timing without a press & twisting. (These new floating yolks get them halfway there.)
I really like Hoyt bows and I really am tempted by this model but my current struggles with Hoyt customer service over a RA for my recurve riser have put me off buying another Hoyt product. I will say the guys at Podium Archer have been helpful in trying to resolve the issue so I would have no qualms buying from them again.
What is your favorite bow in the last 3 years (1)Quiet bowl when you shoot it the (2) lightest the (3) strongest and the (4) fastest I’ll go ahead and put that in there cause I know you’re probably gonna ask me in Matthew or hoyt I used to have the Hoyt carbon elite it was camo the cam was copper color the arrow rest had a copper color to and the quiver had a Copper color on it to if you can remember it I dont know what year they came out if you do why did they stop building them
I like the rating system except i dont care about the tuning aspect and i think it should be lower down in importance maybe 5 instead of 15. Most bow consumers dont care about tuning and arent gonna tune their own bows. If they are theyre gonna have a press, draw board and paper tuner.
Are the yokes plastic like pse? When I bought my last Hoyt I was going to buy a pse and the plastic yokes are what steered me away as a fear of a fail point from a few buddies of mine that I’ve seen it fail on a elk hunt
I shot the lift x and this bow the lift draws a lot better and lighter the Hoyt to stiff in the draw cycle the Hoyt feels line it about 2 to 3 lbs heavier on draw weight than the lift x on same poundage
So now you have to purchase a different module for your draw length? I hope I’m wrong because that’s rediculous on a bow that’s already expensive what’s the rx9 2k for a bare bow it better do more then just shoot fast!
Most always agree with Josh until he says don’t go to a chain store……. I buy all my bows and accessories at Scheels in The Colony. TX. and we have some local shops around but Scheels Archery dept techs in Texas are very knowledgeable and go out of their way to personalize anything I need. While I agree that most chain stores don’t offer the expertise in their archery dept. if you are ever in North Texas visit Chris and Michael at Scheels as they both come from extensive archery backgrounds and know their stuff.
Cant you get a lift 33 for that same price or even less and a 29.5 lift for like 200 less than this MAP price? Im interested in the Hoyts, Bowtechs, Mathews and that sick Darton for the new bows
@ if it has any sort of tuning ability like the darton or bowtechs im super interested. I love giving my shop business and the best one around is 45 mins in another state. Sad to say the past 2 times i went there the customer service has dipped a lot and they let me leave unhappy and without even putting my bow thru paper after 100 bucks charge for new strings i brought to them. So id love to see tuning features on itt!
@@Orr_s it’s going to be even more money. Better tuning would be a bonus but it’s not going to make or break anything. It’s probably just going to be the Lift 2.0 because they changed so much last year
@@bigz5262 yeah i’ll give it to em for making the limbs lifetime even when it exchanges owners and also only raising the price 30 bucks for the Lifts. I never even owned a Mathews so im not biased. I have my Rx-1 and want out with that thing. Even tho i jus put new catfish customs Vec99 strings and cables on it
@@Orr_s I have an RX8 that I just got last season and I really like it. My brother has a Lift and it’s also really nice. I just fondled the AX2 and it seems great. I’m not really in the market for a new bow but it’s always exciting this time of year to see what’s new
id like someone to take that bow against my element rkt -i mean i should get smoked but its highly doubtful (my old rkt smokes that bow in every category)- hand shock never heard of her!!
@@jeremyvigil4138 I mean that Mathews is winning the marketing game. Hoyt drops a new bow and you get a few videos but when Mathews drops it's an event. Hoyt products are great but they're losing market space because their marketing is poor. They should know MFJJ is dropping an opening day vid. They should have talked to everyone and had a special shirt or hat or at least a conversation with these guys about branding on release day. Hoyt is shrinking due to their own lack of branding.
Why? Do you not know your draw length? The mods have an entire inch of adjustability. If you don't even know your draw length you shouldn't be looking at flagship bows.
@ I shoot fairly competitively in 3D and hunt in multiple states yearly. I do all my own work with a press at home. Being able to really micro adjust your draw and let off is priceless. And just like in the videos the mod screws are always a pain in the ass. Not to mention in a few years these bows will be wall art when you can no longer find mods. It’s just not a smart move on Hoyt’s part. But it’s cool you’re a fan boy.
Josh, Ima need your log in info to get the inside scoop on all the new bows coming out. *insert dave chappelle crack head meme here* Oh yea, love this bow and the new review system by the way. You clearly give a sh!t.
Not that it's that important.. dudley claims these have 2 settings for a backwall. So if you like the traditional hoyt wall or more of a solid wall. Haven't seen that on others. Add another point to engineering lol
I love this new format that zips through the measurements.
I know I'm on a island on this but i don't mind the spacers, less tech to go wrong and I just bought a press 🤷♂️
Tuning features are nice but not used very often, there's a benefit to simplicity
Agree. I don’t have to worry about the spacers once set.
You spot on. And they seem to hold their tune well. I really like the spacer system.
Agreed!
I’m a Hoyt PSE fan. I’ve had to in the past scoff @ MFJJ assessment on his past Hoyt reviews. At times saying he’s full of shit. He’s historically gave better reviews and comments to Bowtech and Mathews. Just imho. You can go back and watch them for yourself. I felt overly critical on Hoyt.
This year ? Almost comical about face. Almost like he’s done with shooting a Bowtech if he actually still shoots one after their melt down and wanting a Hoyt sponsorship?
As for the shims. Hoyt is a technical bow company. Bows with sliding axles adjusts like Bowtech, Elite, even PSE lend possibilities of moving. Hoyt being a huge big game bow design do not want to hear a bows tune was ruined miles back and miles high in the mountains ruining a drop camp type hunt.
Shims are your surest way to lock down your tune. Locked down the shims don’t move. So you take the time to get it done. I’ll take the shims. It’s the binary way. The 4 track assists with can lean keeping things tight.
Not a bad bow here. But I was wanting a new riser Z1S. No such luck right now.
Love the new edits! Videos are easier to watch and more efficient. Great job!
I really like the format. Keep up the good work!
The review video format is getting better.
Always enjoy these break down. Great job
RATTLE ZONE, I like that term. When you pull back and hit full draw that rattle the bow does. Might want to talk about that in your reviews. Good job love your reviews keep it going
Enjoy the channel very much. I’ve always been a Hoyt fan, but am shooting an Elite Era that I like a lot. The speed is only 2fps, the Era seems quieter and obviously lighter. This reminds me of the Hoyt Supertec. I’m always looking for improvement, never shot a Carbon Hoyt.
Like the axle to axle on this bow right in the middle not to short not to long. This could definitely be a bow that is a front runner depending on what a couple other brands do
Ok, a 32, now I am also interested.
I know you are neutral when it comes to manufactures but I laughed a lil when I finally realized you had a Mathews Archery shirt testing a Hoyt.
When you get it in, can you do a speed comparison between the AX-2 29.5 and AX-2 29.5 SD both set at 27" to see if the SD is worth the move or the standard cam is better with the individual mods.
This is what i wanna know!
See, being on a scale of 100 and being weighted equally across all brands makes these real easy to compare between videos. Leaning towards the new Darton for my next season bow, a 70 is hard to beat.
Hey mgjj can you also include a max speed test where you turn the bow up to 80 pounds and max out the lengths.
I think this was a really fair review. They're REALLY behind the ball with tuning. Other than that they seem really good
Who cares? Do you need to tune your bow every week? Chances are, not even close. If you can afford a new hoyt, mathews, etc.. you should be able to afford a press.
Tuning isnt a concern to me. Im not constantly messing with my bow and 2yrs with my VTM and the tune is holding great
I am kind of mixed on the tuning aspect. Having more simple adjustments is great, but it's also more stuff to get out of tune or improperly tuned. Also, as others have mentioned, once it is tuned properly you shouldn't have to re-tune unless you change something. So how often do the majority of archery shooters really need to tune their bow?
@Blazer-fp8fo once you shoot a bowtech it's hard to go back. Being able to shim the cam with a set of Allen wrenches is SO nice
Do you take all this data and post it with the other bows you do? It would be cool to be able to compare numbers of all the bows next to each other.
Is there like a list of all of the tested bows with their # breakdowns?
Hoyt has typos on their website too. the SD (short Draw) Carbon RX-9 shows 25-30" instead of 23-27"
I seen that to lol
I personally love your videos and content but I do have on small gripe when you test the manufacturer specs and there measurements and there spot on you can't dock them point for it it shouldn't be based on what you think it should be how honest they are like the weight it was spot on but you docked them 2 points I don't agree with that but the draw length being long and the brace being long ok I get and the intergrated accessories that hoyt and mathews do are the best in the game i don't get how you dock points for that as well and I get the tuning can be a pain but I still think it's a little unfair in that aspect of it docking points when the measurements are spot on other then that bro keep it up love to see more content in the future!!
Looks like a great new bow from Hoyt. The 70# feels like 60# is now more like #65. It's still a more pleasant draw than others
Im excited because I want the AX-2 32 and I should still get good velocities out of my short 27” draw length with these new modules.
But will MFJJ wear a Hoyt shirt filming the Mathews launch reviews? 🤔
Give us meatheads a test of all the 80+lbs bows…. Would love to see the speeds, sound and overall opinion. Personally I’m holding out another year hoping that someone will make a n awesome “big boy” bow . My 83# Ventum shoots awesome but itching to upgrade to get some of the new integration features that have came out over the last few years.
Fan of the new intro music...and vids of course!
Can you measure the full draw stability on each bow? Lancaster Archery said that's the most important measurement when shooting long range. The reason PSE mach 30 and 33 shoot so good at long ranges is because the brace height grows 1 or 2 inches at full draw. I want to know what other bows measure out to be.
Lol
He isn’t going to do it. Trust me. Been commenting about taking this measurement instead of reflex for years. No response. It would blow his mind if he measured any Mathews hunting bow. But kudos to Mathews for getting speed and smooth draw for a bow we are really only shooting short distances with. I would really only expect people with a year of engineering school under their belt to be able to understand the concept and why this measurement matters. In the past limb and cam design was significantly different and a simple brace height measurement told you almost everything you need to know since every bow featured “full draw stability”. When companies pushed holding weight down and brace height down and extreme limb angles it sacrificed the bows resistance to torque to gain in riser length and speed. From Josh’s own admission, he doesn’t read comments. So as much as we may try to teach, question, or understand, it falls on deaf ears and he’s just going to keep doing his own thing no matter what we say and that’s ok.
Do you like to put any sound dampeners or vibration dampeners on your compound bows?
what's mean reflex exactly? what is the best range usually?
If you search he explains it in a video, measures where the limb pocket is to the inside of grip, less reflex will have benefits of not being able to torque bow with your grip as easy with something with more reflex (I think)
Great stuff mfjj as always!
Did they change the grip?
You may want todo the average speed separate between the Garmin and the traditional chrono
The editor of this video is on 🔥!! Very good!
I think it's his daughter. Not for sure though.
So between what numbers are considered quite and noisy on the decibel meter?
I was just going to buy an Alpha X 33 and today I see this new model.... Is it better than the Alpha X33? Which one would you recommend? thank you
Love your reviews. Thank you for doing them. Out of curiosity, how often have you had to alter the spacers or any of the other tunability items you are indicating Hoyt bows lack?
I know you not asking me. But Iv been using the spacer system for a few years now. They hold tune very well and it seems very forgiving with differing arrow spines.
Love the mathews shirt on the hoyt review! 🤣
Nice job shortening the open. Color looks different too - new camera? Canon?
Floating yolks means you need to pull the axles to fully replace cables, correct? On a related note, I wonder if they will license the Darton patent so you can adjust timing without a press & twisting. (These new floating yolks get them halfway there.)
You don’t have to pull the axles on these. They wrap around and hook.
@@tedbridgman3070 Thank you, good to know!
I really like Hoyt bows and I really am tempted by this model but my current struggles with Hoyt customer service over a RA for my recurve riser have put me off buying another Hoyt product.
I will say the guys at Podium Archer have been helpful in trying to resolve the issue so I would have no qualms buying from them again.
What is your favorite bow in the last 3 years (1)Quiet bowl when you shoot it the (2) lightest the (3) strongest and the (4) fastest I’ll go ahead and put that in there cause I know you’re probably gonna ask me in Matthew or hoyt I used to have the Hoyt carbon elite it was camo the cam was copper color the arrow rest had a copper color to and the quiver had a Copper color on it to if you can remember it I dont know what year they came out if you do why did they stop building them
So ar 28" and 450 grain arrow this is at 269 while the 29.5 was at 282?? 13 fps is quite a spread between the two ATAs...
I like the rating system except i dont care about the tuning aspect and i think it should be lower down in importance maybe 5 instead of 15.
Most bow consumers dont care about tuning and arent gonna tune their own bows. If they are theyre gonna have a press, draw board and paper tuner.
Are the yokes plastic like pse? When I bought my last Hoyt I was going to buy a pse and the plastic yokes are what steered me away as a fear of a fail point from a few buddies of mine that I’ve seen it fail on a elk hunt
I shot the lift x and this bow the lift draws a lot better and lighter the Hoyt to stiff in the draw cycle the Hoyt feels line it about 2 to 3 lbs heavier on draw weight than the lift x on same poundage
Do you think that the bow is a big upgrade compared to the Alpha X?
really good rating system
Seems like a good reflex number compared to previous Hoyts.
Reflex doesn't matter as much as he says. Hoyt recently added more reflex to the target bow so less Deflex is not always better.
Thanks for the reviews! Typically, how much do you lose per pound in draw weight? Thanks
2 fps/lb typically but that varies a bit from bow to bow with changes in limb length and so on. But average rule of thumb is 2 fps/lb
So now you have to purchase a different module for your draw length? I hope I’m wrong because that’s rediculous on a bow that’s already expensive what’s the rx9 2k for a bare bow it better do more then just shoot fast!
Most always agree with Josh until he says don’t go to a chain store……. I buy all my bows and accessories at Scheels in The Colony. TX. and we have some local shops around but Scheels Archery dept techs in Texas are very knowledgeable and go out of their way to personalize anything I need. While I agree that most chain stores don’t offer the expertise in their archery dept. if you are ever in North Texas visit Chris and Michael at Scheels as they both come from extensive archery backgrounds and know their stuff.
Maybe weird but maybe the difference is considerable MFJJ
GO HAWKS💙💚💙💚
Cant you get a lift 33 for that same price or even less and a 29.5 lift for like 200 less than this MAP price? Im interested in the Hoyts, Bowtechs, Mathews and that sick Darton for the new bows
Wait until the new Mathews comes out
@ if it has any sort of tuning ability like the darton or bowtechs im super interested. I love giving my shop business and the best one around is 45 mins in another state. Sad to say the past 2 times i went there the customer service has dipped a lot and they let me leave unhappy and without even putting my bow thru paper after 100 bucks charge for new strings i brought to them. So id love to see tuning features on itt!
@@Orr_s it’s going to be even more money. Better tuning would be a bonus but it’s not going to make or break anything. It’s probably just going to be the Lift 2.0 because they changed so much last year
@@bigz5262 yeah i’ll give it to em for making the limbs lifetime even when it exchanges owners and also only raising the price 30 bucks for the Lifts. I never even owned a Mathews so im not biased. I have my Rx-1 and want out with that thing. Even tho i jus put new catfish customs Vec99 strings and cables on it
@@Orr_s I have an RX8 that I just got last season and I really like it. My brother has a Lift and it’s also really nice. I just fondled the AX2 and it seems great. I’m not really in the market for a new bow but it’s always exciting this time of year to see what’s new
I think i will hang with my Ventum...😊
id like someone to take that bow against my element rkt -i mean i should get smoked but its highly doubtful
(my old rkt smokes that bow in every category)-
hand shock never heard of her!!
Never touching either. I’m more excited about the darton
Lol
The Mathews shirt while reviewing a Hoyt says it all
He does that quite a bit. He'll wear hoyt gear while reviewing Mathews 😂
Idk what you mean by that. He's not a mathews fan boy if that what you referring to. He actually shoots bow tech most of the time
@@jeremyvigil4138 I mean that Mathews is winning the marketing game. Hoyt drops a new bow and you get a few videos but when Mathews drops it's an event. Hoyt products are great but they're losing market space because their marketing is poor. They should know MFJJ is dropping an opening day vid. They should have talked to everyone and had a special shirt or hat or at least a conversation with these guys about branding on release day. Hoyt is shrinking due to their own lack of branding.
@@jeremyvigil4138 I also shoot a bow tech but I've been doing that since before I found MFJJ's channel
Pretty sure he wears another brands shirt in every review
It's really obvious when he likes something and when he doesn't.......
So you give them a 5 on weight because they match the weight? Interesting...
Weight score is based on a scale. Can't see what the board says but all bows are scored the same. They get honesty points for being accurate
So they just caught up to Mathew’s…almost
Like the reviews... 15 points for tunability is way too high of the overall score
It says 340fps online. I absolutely hate the individual mods!
It's 336 for the 32 inch. It's 340 for the 29.5.
Why? Do you not know your draw length? The mods have an entire inch of adjustability. If you don't even know your draw length you shouldn't be looking at flagship bows.
@ I shoot fairly competitively in 3D and hunt in multiple states yearly. I do all my own work with a press at home. Being able to really micro adjust your draw and let off is priceless. And just like in the videos the mod screws are always a pain in the ass. Not to mention in a few years these bows will be wall art when you can no longer find mods. It’s just not a smart move on Hoyt’s part. But it’s cool you’re a fan boy.
Whats the rx-9 bare bow gonna be 2500 now loll
2100
I seen his review on this bow 1999.00
Everyone will sell them a hundred under retail. Just buy a new rx8 for 1k to 1300.
I really wanted to like hoyt but I've had a terrible experience with them and the trust is just non existent.
Josh, Ima need your log in info to get the inside scoop on all the new bows coming out. *insert dave chappelle crack head meme here*
Oh yea, love this bow and the new review system by the way. You clearly give a sh!t.
Not that it's that important.. dudley claims these have 2 settings for a backwall. So if you like the traditional hoyt wall or more of a solid wall. Haven't seen that on others. Add another point to engineering lol
Things probably 1500 bare bow though
Try about 2k lol
1449 MAP, 1549 retail is what he says here.
A 3 for price. More like a 1. That's carbon money. Close your doors hoyt!
Wait til you see Mathews come out with their bow. Price went up again!!!
😂 that's funny. Cheapos have been saying that since the carbon spyder, rx1,rx3,rx5,rx7,rx8, etc... close your doors, lol, just lol.
For that price with all the other brands coming out they should just keep it at their warehouse.
Disappointed in tuneability
Once you put the correct spacers in, it is good to go. It also won't move.
Just call it the AX-2... no one is saying "Carbon RX-9" its just the RX-9... The alpha just means Aluminum...
Another short bow
How dare you wear a Mathews shirt while reviewing a HOYT
GET SERIOUS
nice review 🤘🏻
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GOD FORBID...you have to do a little work to tune a bow 🙄
😂 all these guys whining about it, like they can afford a flagship bow, but can't afford a press, or aren't smart enough to learn how to do it.