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#lostark
I want to play only 1 character and that to be enough to be able to progress in a decent pace, than I can see myself coming back.
I like games focused on your main and alts to be absolutely optional and not mandatory like in Lost Ark.
I agree, imo MMOs in general are all about that one character you identify with the most and want to spend the most time on. I don't really enjoy playing alts, maybe one tops.
@@st0rmbreaK same brother, but sometimes even 1 is more than I want for me...and in fkn Lost Ark I had 6..nobody forced me to, but that eventually made me despise the game..
Could be just me but playing dif chars and dif classes sounds fun...then again i havent done endgame and i know ive read a lot of terrible things....maybe the gatekeeping and how dumb and hard the honing and etc its makes the alt so tedious if it was easier or simpler and game was more alive i woundlt mind using dif alts and dif classes i guess ill understand more of what you saying once i get to endgame and experience all ugly myself
well with this theres more incentive to progress 1 charater. you get more rewards and bonuses. the thing is people fomo and make characters to keep up or catch up for free. my buddy is still playing and has only 2 characters and will be making a slayer on the next power pass hyper express. its all up to you
yeah, same, i want to play just one main character and be able to progress fast enough to enjoy always new content...gold income without alts is literally hilarious without some lucky drop
One player wipe mechanics contributes to gatekeeping. Also the whole game resolves around raiding. That's anti casual.
Agreed. Wholeheartedly!
i think I speak for most of us when I say, ... we ain't comin back
+1 bro
+2
yet still watching lost ark content and commenting on it. Who does that? creator whos quit game still making content about it with miss info
Lost Ark is one of the best mmo's for challenging and rewarding raid content and very slick combat design but it made me realise I no longer get enjoyment from extreme grind to progress games. It didn't used to bother me so much when I was younger but then I thought I was indestructible and life would go on forever 😂
I still love playing games but I won't play mmo's like Lost Ark anymore. The time sacrifice is just too great, you'll end up missing out on so much of life and no game is worth that.
Disagree. You actually do not need to invest too much time in Lost Ark. Especially not anymore with upcoming patches with daily task reduction. Anyway, your opinion - just wanted to share mine, still love playin Lost Ark.
@@ShuffleAssi as far as I'm aware you still have to do multiple legion raids on your alts to progress at a good rate. I guess you don't have to but it means any idea of joining a static is out the window and pugs are just horrible.
@@Corusame that is were you are wrong. you do not have to do anything. the game has a lot of other content you can enjoy besides legion raid. Besides before a alt character is generating gold and mats for you, you have to usually invest a lot before (unless you make use of the express events - which is a factor I have to say it is correct, you have to create alts to make use of these events). Legion Raids are the most fun content for most players and therefore most people want to be able to do it multiple times each week. Therefore creating alt characters is a good thing. Also getting to know any playing different chars feels really good in this game. Everyclass is unique and fun and worth to test out tbh.
@@ShuffleAssi tell me how can u do anything without investing time? u just keep contradict him for the sake of doing it lol....u cant do sh!t in loa with minimal play time and with that u wont get in any group to do some worthy content...loa is for unemployed&swipers thats all...
yes ..doesnt worth the time
So my experience - 6 alts all 1300+ to funnel mats to my main (1470 at the time of quitting). Played from launch to July 2022. Over 1400 hrs in a matter of 4-5 months. I quit July 30th 2022.
If they make alts mandatory for pacing - people will drop the game again. I will never ever go back to that grind, it was the stupidest thing I did in any MMO and I've been playing them for over 16 years. Spend a day (5+ hours) grinding mats on all your alts, funnel those mats to your main, end up failing to hone your gear and you're right back to the beginning. Try again tomorrow :)
Gate keeping is a huge problem. Botting/pay to win is the other. The only way to keep up with people (at least back when I played) was to fork over $$$. Awful practice for any game. You want to be greedy, go ahead. But don't ever blame people for shitting on your game when you have 1 of the most greedy and money hungry practices in an MMOARPG setting. The pay to win factor isn't even you paying for a guarantee, its just you paying to have more chances at honing b/c you'd have bought more mats from the STORE. You can go through attempting to hone an item over 20 times, till you hit 100% success rate. That is probably 1 of the worst feelings. The gambling and sheer luck is awful. Sometimes, you'd hone upgrade a piece from +11-15 without failing, other times you'll fail 6 times in a row. Some people might upgrade their weapon to +20 on their first try, while you take over 20 attempts (all while being set back in materials each day).
This game's got a few things going for it - namely the combat system and abyssal raids which are cool and challenging.
The problem is - a lot of people, including myself, want a way to progress WITHOUT relying on others. I dislike that almost every type of content in the game incentivizes or forces you to be in a group besides chaos dungeons. Not even guardians are worth doing by yourself because its faster with more people.
They screwed the pooch as well by releasing classes in waves. I absolutely hated this. I had classes I wanted to main, so did many other people..when this game launched. They decided to only release a few classes and in their 'drought' period, release classes to refresh excitement and get people to come back/play again. It was the stupidest approach ever. IDEK how many people stopped playing or didn't care to play knowing the class they wanted the most wasn't releasing for another 6 months to a year.
Botting was an issue but it wasn't the reason I quit personally. I just felt disrespected for my time, the grind just turned into work. I was waking up each day, logging in with my cup of coffee and smashing my head against keyboard doing everything on my 6 alts + main, to get enough mats to try honing on my main, just to have the honing fail repeatedly and make my 5-7 hours or w/e it was, EACH DAY, a complete WASTE.
if you put the cash shop/pay to win shop into the game with the new/returning players - it'll be the same thing as before, just after the honeymoon period ends and people start resorting to real $$$ to get ahead. So if I know that the cash shop will be implemented, I already am not coming back based on that alone. Cause I know where it'll lead and I'll end up regretting all my playtime just like I did with the original western launch.
Glad I quit the game in conclusion. And I'm glad their game is bleeding players because they've had so much time to fix things and they haven't. They work at the speed of snails over there. I'm not holding my breath. No respect of time for free to play players, very strong pay2win/gear practice, tons of gatekeeping, the feeling that its work and not a grind anymore. The only thing I really miss about this game is the combat. It was amazing, reminded me of TERA.
I know the biggest issue I ran into was that you need to clear content on alts to progress... and nobody would accept anybody near ilvl for content. It made hunting groups take up an extra 10 hrs+ every week trying to get things done and frequently I just gave up on half my alts because it felt toxic after awhile.
Honestly I don’t see the new servers surviving long term. You have to do the horizontal grind again. Auction house will be super starved. Gatekeeping will be the same after 1-2 weeks. They should have made seasonal servers instead with global modifiers that actually change mobs / the game and close after X months.
Yeah imagine making collectibles account bound instead of roost bound on a server.
Yeah, no thanks I've a job and I don't want to have a second job by playing this game, the horizontal grind was so useless I was so disappointed about that
lmao yea nobody will play on these servers bro who is doing all these collectives again? lmao and people spent so much money on normal servers
I agree, what black dessert does well on to catch up to end game.
@@brasso4984 hah bdo, no raid, no dungeon, pvp clunky, bugged ocean, full farming and aggro to get farm area during months..
The reason why these changes feels like a band-aid is because that's exactly what it is. It was announced that this was the first, immediate change they could make to address player fatigue, but they promised they would look a metrics and spend more time to address the issues further. KR has had these changes for a few weeks now and the community overall generally seem better. But I think the game is going in a good direction, and the concerns of the community are finally being listened to.
In regards to the Ivory tower on fresh-start server, I believe that the players on fresh-start servers will be merged (we're not sure how this will look like) into existing production servers. I'm not sure if this has been confirmed, but it was speculated and Saintone believes that this is what will happen. I don't think players are meant to be in the fresh-start servers for long-term. That would defeat the purpose of fresh-start servers.
gate keeping will never be address unless they rework the game, casual players are always behind even in any other mmo. but what make them stay in the game is like the game respects their time, and they could do a lot of things they wanted. there are 2 ways to end gatekeep, 1st is to remove wipeout mech in normal mode only, in that way casual and new players able to practice raid. 2nd, progression should not only be in raids, imagine bussing cuz you need to upgrade lvl 2 items. lol! the game design is wasting your time that's why people quits.
What they need to do is make random match making give more gold
@@quentin6912 that would increase fail and play rate of raids immensely. ontop of that bussing would still be worth more gold and probably worth more to a customer too
this changes absolutely nothing for me.
I’d love to do fresh start servers but… all my giant hearts, island souls, stars… and all that shit that I spent so much time grinding… I don’t wanna lose it
Edit: and I’m not playing 6 fucking characters either, if the progression is shit I’m out again
Changes they should have done 8+ months ago. Too little too late tbh
Nothing has changed in core gameplay loop. So hell no, I'm not coming back.
AMK ❤
exactly instead of as you said changing the core problems of the game SG and AGS changed the peripherals, LMAO.
m8 i see you on all the damn time KEKW
ITS TOO SOON SYWO!!!! THEY ARE STILL MESSING UP, PLEASE WAIT UNTIL THEY DO MORE FOR THE GAME!!
It does not fix the core issues, a lot of the endgame stuff just becomes a chore and quickly stop being fun, no amount of relaunches will fix this.
I think that's a lot of mmos and gachas from my experience. Maybe they just aren't your type of game tbh
@@pubz9456 to be fair, most mmos and gachas that do that are inherently boring. LA had a big launch because that's what the company wants, more players == more potential for earnings. That people that left aren't wrong, but they just don't love the game as passionately as the ones that stay.
@@PenguFKnight Yep right on. It's the reason I quit most of these games. Even the games who do it better/right get boring after a longer period of time. I think some good examples of dailies I enjoy are final fantasy 14 and eso but I'm sure playing these for thousands of hours will just make it boring at some point.
So what MMO has endgame that’s done right?
What lost ark really needs to do is very simple:
1. Make one character that does chaos/guardian raid receive. X6 the rewards so you dnt have to play on the alts.
2. Fix the core mechanics of raiding where if one of your members fuck up then it doesn’t wipe the raid. This will reduce the amount of gate keeping that has plagued the game.
3.add that racing event back that shit was fun
fresh start sounds good but there's no way im gonna leave all my skins and mounts that I spent money on behind 💀
same... skins and mounts should be account wide.
I thought this was a joke, but they seriously think people who paid big money on skins are gonna abandon them? How dumb they think people are? Like, pay more to do it all again, but have less in the end? This is for people who love punishing themselves. They'll get a few of the hardcore players and literally no new ones.
They aren't targeting game vets that have spent hundreds of dollars on skins with the announcement, and subsequent release of these fresh start servers. They are targeting players that either wanted to play but started too late or took too long of a break and want to return. Allowing these new and returning players the opportunity to experience lost ark as a collective rather than an individual that needs to catch up. Yes, there will be people who pay and reach 1580 or some ridiculous ilv within the first month or so, and good on them, however, there will also be a gaggle of people progressing their account at a leisurely pace and experiencing their first non bussed valtan or vykas together. The intention of these servers is more so an attempt to recapture the lost player base allowing them ample opportunity to experience what would otherwise be impossible. I started playing lost ark during its early release and decided to take a break around April of this year; I have yet to return since. In that time I accumulated 4k hours of playtime and spent a total of $250 USD on skins and character expansion slots. I want to return but I feel a bit overwhelmed with the current state of the ongoing servers. I can't wait for the fresh servers to dip my toes back into the game and give it another shot.
@@B-... because the new start servers merge with current servers after X date how do so many people miss this obvious outcome
@@RRJStudioo You're literally guessing that a solution will probably arise at some unknown future date.
Even if you're right, that's not a counter-argument to what people are saying.
The worst part about LA apart from the chores of the dailies/weeklies on multiple characters is legion raids. If they don't fix the gatekeeping in those activites I don't think I'll return.
Exactly. There's not even a way to schedule a raid in game. Imagine if at work you couldn't schedule a letting, send invites to it, have people accept it to reserve a spot in it. Also why can't I do chaos dungeons and such while I'm queued for a raid? Why do I have to waste time sitting in a lobby? Why can't I apply to multiple lobbies at once either? Why is busing still not banned? Why raid wipes due to 1 persons mistake still exist, ESPECIALLy in the easiest raid modes?
@@GFClocked Why should bussing be banned?
All the new players only want bus, they are too lazy to learn a raid themself.
Also even if it was banned, ppl would just do it regardless.
But gatekeeping is a player's problem, they're stupid for doing it. 99% of the people gatekeeping is because they arent good enough at the game to be confident to "carry" someone that "looks" weaker.
I'm pretty good at the end, i dont gatekeep, i just carry, same as most of my friends.
I dont see what smilegate could do about that to be honest.
@@JbPopoie Why would people "carry" those who are weaker than them when they can just zoom through the content with equally geared people? Are you stupid?
@@JbPopoie yeah you're right but i think it's also in how this game is just made. LA incentivizes playing multiple characters and trying to find competent enough groups to do legion raids on all of them every week made people impatient, i dont know how they can fix that either 🤷♂
I m not falling for this trap again.
I understand that right now, yes, it's all bandages. And I hope that gold river understands that a lot needs changing and he's just buying time.
Gold River and Soomin Park both stated this before implemeting the changes, it's just that Sywo hasn't been keeping up with the exact info it seems.
TIme that they don't have. The stigma of lost ark already has been set in stone and especially recently, there have been some big/staple titles that have been released/will release. No one will look at some daily QoL patch that won't change the game from the ground up and think "let's get fked by the same korean mmo again".
@@welkingunther4298 then just dont play if u dont want. easy and simple. u ranting on youtube comments wont do shit.
already lost motivation when i realized i have to do the collectibles again
I will not be coming back, quit a month ago and it really feels great. Went back to BDO and I'm having a blast and just able to actually play an MMO without any in game homework in mind.
It sounds so much like Archeage fresh start servers. Experience players will jump in the server and will reach endgame faster than the newbie then back to square one.
Lol grinded once. There is no way people are grinding again. Doing all the events, islands all over not to mention the excruciating honing system
true
Sywo, thanks for all of your help, since late 2019, you got me on LARU, and you're still around for the AGS versions.
I'm still on the RU servers, with a total of 4 accounts, legacy 200+ on all, and yes, I play LA waaaay to much. I'm going to join the jump start servers though, I think they would be perfect for a player like me.
The core of the game will be identical: "Grass-Fed Poisonous Steak!! Now with 25% LESS poison!!"
Korean Pay-To-Win Gamba to Upgrade.
Grindy TimeWasting Everything.
Expensive shop exclusives.
The same problems that plague the game now will not be solved by fresh start servers, it'll just delay people noticing them again until they hit end game.
I give it a month
If legion raids are still the ONLY end game option to progress then nah....no thanks. Some of us actually work for a living and don't want to no life a game.
Spend more time finding a group that won't gatekeep than actually doing the raid.
So what's the point of getting the gear and progressing if u don't even want to use that gear?
i was saying this a couple months after launch, they need to REMAKE the alts system to somehow do all the chores with only main character. The alt is why the game is dead, no one wants to have a second job.
I signed back on to play through elgacia. It was a very rewarding experience😊 that new menu music is amazing!
The amount of time I poured into this game for the first 2 months of release because of the hype... I can confidently say I am never touching this game again it will be very hard for Lost Ark to get me back
i still think they should make the maximum character count to earn gold ONE; and you can switch your "main" between characters. basically you can only have 1 active main at once. idk, something like that. needs a big change. I only care about playing 1 character
And theres Johnny that wants to play 2 and theres me that wants to play 4. Not to mention jamal who plays 18. The fun thing is that you can play 1 and Enjoy a lot of content but you have to Take into consideration a lot of ppl like playing many classes
TBH, I am definitely going to play on it. It sounds more fun than the current live server LOL
Hey nice to see you man, always a pleasure
18 months since launch, 3600 hours in, I'm still 6 cards away to LoS 30 (If i were to use all my 15 selectors) and 10 cards away from LWC 30 (same, if I were to use my selectors). I swiped twice on the 3+1 pacts, and bought countless of packs from mari. Just thinking about starting from scratch again gives me nightmare just for that part of the game
those servers are for new people. Or veterans that wanna start fresh again for a Little bit to have a mini alterante roster. Theres no point in droping your current roster
@@mariandumitru4469 Oh I know that and have no intention to do so. I was just commenting on what it imply to start right now for someone new, knowing that even with 18 months of grind its still not close to be done. It was just to put into perspective how the systems themselves needs work because they make no sense
I *like* Lost Ark, even the questing i like. Beautiful environments. But I already have a job, which pay me real money.... I don't want another job (Lost Ark) that does not pay me. I want to have some fun playing a game. Unless they make MASSIVE changes (50x honing materials, no limit on rested bonus) I'm just going to be happy about the ~1k hours i spent in LA but I will never come back
honestly the game is not even an option for me anymore its not even that fun plus i don't like how whales benefit in this game it just always gives the feeling of here buy this and that or wait 24 hours till you can progress also way to grindy no thanks also when i was playing it did not help that its impossible to find groups cus all players see is your ilvl
@@alexmaganda5827 That is how I feel as well. And it sucks that you have to PAY someone else to carry you through the "most fun" content in the game. "The content that holds most player retention." That's GARBAGE in my opinion. I don't want to have to PAY someone ANYTHING to experience the full extent of this game.
Well you got served. honing did get ~ 10x easier, mats at least 5x if not 10x easier to get so 100x easier.
Rng removed from all early tiers, more and more support until you get up to current content in Ilvl, gems, tripods and engravings.
Hardly anything more they could do. Free 1540 (and support up to 1580) fully geared character of your choice. Isn't that MASSIVE ?
The biggest problem with Lost Ark is that it basically forces players to play multiple alts if they want to meaningfully progress. Most mmo players play a main and MAYBE 1-2 alts. I have had 10 friends quit because of this reason alone. Let people just play their main character without punishing their progression. Feeling forced to do raids, chaos dungeons, and guardians on multiple characters weekly over and over again is not fun. That's why the player count has suffered so badly, even in Korea.
Alts never recover their cost. It's a fallacy
That’s exactly why I stopped playing lol
It's not like that, i understand your point but it was never a way to play this game happily. 6 Char account was pointed out by many KR streamers, they said you need to be ready to have at least 6 char roster if you want to be consistent (that is totally bs). Lost Ark need as many as you pointed out that you need in any other game which is 1 Main and maybe 1-2 alts. All the other characters you get by free power pass are most of the time sentenced to be a lopang alt. (For those who don't know - Lopang Island is a place where you grind una daily for silver coins. It takes 1 maybe 2 minutes to finish and you gettin like 100k silver per character) Your Main should be the upgraded by all means necessary while your alts should be leaved at specific ilvl to still gain profits for your main. Right now the game is in a state where doing Valtan, Vykas and Clown is enough to progress without a sweat. Valtan already get gold nerf and soon Vykas and Clown will do too but it's not that significant change. Of course it's an MMO so if you push your alts to higher lvl, more gold you will gain because u will get access to Brel 1-2 so you can drop Vykas or Clown if you don't like or feel doing them. At the same time daily and weekly unas also giving you una tokens which you can trade for gold bags/chests with a chance for a gold bars. If this is something you don't want to do then you can grind some crafting materials from time to time. Right now Fishing, Excavating and Hunting are the most expensive one and you can earn a solid gold out of it. People are not doing it because most of the player base are consumed by Legion Raids so they are too lazy to do it. As you can see, there is plenty of ways to gain some gold and be consistent without spending tons of hours into just one specific chore. You just have to be smart and do things smart way, not the hard way. I know many 1580, 1600 rn that have 1 main and 2 alts (rest are lopangs) and they doing great without being a slave to this game. People need to change their mindset because you want everything from the start without doing anything and that's not how the MMORPGs in general are made. You still need to sink some hours into the game but 3-4h instead of 10h+ is a lot better right?
@@GFClocked Wutt ? Its almost free to have 1520 alt now. Acc and leg books are super cheap now (based on EUC). You are not up to date.
agreed ..i love lost ark but with the limited time that i can play , i can`t progress and the feeling force to do thing if i want to progress make me more tired to play ..
I won't be returning. I quit because the only way to progress was raiding. I don't want to do nothing but high end raiding anymore. I led a high end raid guild in Everquest for years, I'm so done with that form of playing. I'd be fine with lesser gear or slower progression doing solo or the daily guardians, but that isn't available. So I'm done. I went back to Black Desert and enjoying it so much more.
I started playing lost ark a month ago as my first MMO cause the raids looked so awesome on youtube and twitch. The character progression feels great, combat is amazin. Every buttonpress is impactful even the ones that only give you passive bonuses. The game does a great job not overflowing you with all mechanics at one, does a bad job at explaing them to you tho ones you unlocked them. I finally got to Itemlvl 1460 due to various catch up machanics and having a bunch of free time cause I just finished my exams. Iam finally able to do the Legion Raids which I was most hyped for and then it kinda hit me. They are complex (which is amazing) but there is noone to do them with. The game is super dead on EUC. The only way I can do Vykas is by buying a bus cause every learning group I do isnt filling up. There is essentially no way for me the learn to fight the boss without paying gold. I even have 3 friends on the same itemlevel but you need 8 PEOPLE TO EVEN ATEMPT HER. Its such a shame cause I really wanna become good at those raids. For me, they are the most hype content in the game.
I hope Lost Ark makes a bit of a comeback. Otherwise I dont see myself playing this game for a long time.
Do you know hyperexpress events? They are constantly giving you characters to make the content more advanced. It is not a game for casual, it is a game for those who know how to appreciate their greatness.
EUC is absolutly not dead. But as you said, you're looking for Vykas.
Problem is as we can only get golds from 3 contents, people are doing Kayangal + Brelshaza + Kakul saydon.
The only ones doing Vykas & Vatlan are the new players // Bus // Card runners.
For the card runners, they start doing it after they finished their weekly, so between Sunday evening & tuesday night basicly.
Try to look for a guild. In my guild we always help new and returning players with raids.
if you really want to enjoy the gameplay of the legion raids, try hellmode! I find almost all the people I play with on a regular basis through hellmode and it is infinitely more fun than playing the old raids overgeared/getting bussed. (even now I sometimes see new learning parties on hell academy). Also with hell titles you can hide the fact that you never did xyz raid (no plc title etc) ;)
how is EUC dead lol its the most populated region
I never go back to these friendship destroyer
The chaos dungeon changes are a band aid,as they said this is part 1 of multiple changes leading to an overall rework of that content.
Not sure whats the plan on GRs past the reduction however, and they are planning to remove gates from brelshaza and kayangel as well as nerfs/rebalances in them.
Overall these are all a step in the right direction, as long as the fresh start players or servers are merged into the pool we are in eventually.
I dont see problem with kayangel, its fun, fast and quite easy, but brel must be reduce cus is wayyy to long (esp g5-6)
@@l2FARl because its unnecessary and the gate 1 boss doesn't make sense to be there
@@GiorgosAigio96 You mean kay g1 ? Tho this boss is from lore, Sky Guardian who protects entry to kayangle, it make sense to me tbh
@l2FARl it's still alot of homework for people with 6 accounts. Imagine doing all brel gates all katangal then all akkan on 1 character
@@quentin6912 I think you meant 6 chars, cant see it doing it even on 2 accounts kekw, but back to topic idt its much homework even on 6 chars (easly 4 days of casual playing). Ofc im doing only brel hm g1-2 for fast gold and akkan will replace kuku or vykas so for me nothing will chance. Tho i have 8pp crew so im doing it faster than solo random.
the problem isnt just item lvl. theres skill point and card grind and other stuff that contrubutes to ur character.
If you are level 60, you have enough skill point to have all skill lvl 10. you need to grind something, no everything can just give it for free. working a little guess is too hard and too much to ask.
okay i can understand what ur saying since i hate horizontal content, but i dont see why ur are making a big deal about something that u have to do 1 time on ur account only and have access to on all the characters u make (skill points), cards are a valid point but thats RNG and people dont gate keep cause of cards.
So, playing the game and progressing? lol. You're not meant to get LOS30 quickly, skill points are fast now besides one which is a bit harder with a floor level - express events level you fast to 60 too. You'll have more than enough skill points, you don't need every single one.
They need to remove lobbies and force matchmaking, I can't go back to a game where 75% of my time is wasted to waiting to being picked up into a lobby.
Good luck wasting 75% of your time in parties disbanding now
@luk4s195 if they made people do a trail before having access to the raid then this could work. Make it so you have to do guardian raid trail 10 times and get title before match making
path of exile new season starts this week. a good time to try that game
if they can reduce the grind down to like 2-3 characters I'd be happy.
Nah I'm good, maybe if they changed honing system i could go back to this game
Holy shit the hanumatan fight was so triggering XD
Whenever you used your gravity bonk mode he decides to jump away... so unsatisfying >.
I'd love to give LA another shot from fresh start but then I start thinking everything it implies from farming character reputation, doing the main quest again, completing all the dailys reputation, all the adventure tome, building up a roster, again, collecting cards and everything else...
I loved it the first time but now it feels way too daunting without no-lifing the whole thing for the next 6 months.
I feel they'll need to make everything much faster and simplier to complete for me to give it another shot.
1 character life baybee
although my life has been siphoned by baldur's gate 3 now
One of the major problems for me is the point where you are only grinding for slightly better set bonuses. You don’t even get actual new gear anymore. Just a slight % better to what you already have.
need t4 for that i guess
Not even a slight % for better, it is slight % chance for slight % better
"You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear". Having said that, nice video as usual! Good take on it.
Yes please sywo, I miss raiding with you
R they serious 🤣 they think I'm gunna do my adventure book and hearts again, get f**ked 🤣🤣
N O P E. Not gonna happen.
There are several things that would make me not want to do a fresh start on Lost ark as someone who quit after the first year.
1) Completing the entire campaign again multiple times so I can then train new characters through the story. The story is so long, running it more than once is trash.
2) Shards not account wide. Don't know if this has been changed since I left, but Korea shards are account wide, no reason we shouldn't have them too.
3) Guardian raids. I tried to return once, couldn't find a party for guardian raids and I couldn't beat them on my own. I would suggest allowing players to run this solo/2/3 and correctly adjusting the difficulty for less player to be able to reasonably beat the guardian without being overgeared. Even if only for the guardian raids that are not the highest tier. You shouldn't have to sit in que for 10+ minutes. Once most people are past that level of content make it soloable.
4) Raids - There needs to be a solo practice raid that lets players practice ALL the mechanics on their own. Gatekeeping will happen more because of skill than gear. Obviously there are gear checks, but even well geared people sometimes just can't learn mechanics off a video (or don't want too, discovering it on your own is fun!)
5) This one is a deal breaker for me: Watered down, ultra-conservative skins. Either give me the skins as they are in Japan and Korea or let me play on Japanese servers. Tired of seeing amazing skins and finding out they aren't available to the west because of an ultra-conservative minority that is offended by the clothes people choose to wear. All the crying about "Loli" characters in combination with the rest was what finally led me to quit.
I miss lost ark but its TOO MUCH GRIND
nice feedback. will enhanced in season3
This is not going to last. The core issues are still there, layers upon layers of RNG that they expect you to pay to bypass, gatekeeping (thanks to all the layers of RNG), there's still pheons, etc. Not coming back unless they actually let go of their disgusting levels of greed and change the game for real.
I feel like the jumpstart server can only work if it's an opportunity for AGS is to try crazy ideas that Smilegate would never let fly.
Stuff like Legion Raid rest bonus, class swapping, no wipe mechs/enabled revives.
The new patch is the best we've had in ages, but LoA still has a long way to go
I notice a lot of players are going back to Guild Wars 2 for a new expansion release. They have 10 years of content and the graphics still look really good. Have you ever thought about making a new character and going through Guild Wars 2? Endgame is massive with raids and world bosses and World V World and all that!
Great reflection!
I want to play one character and keep up, not run 5 alts per day.
And you can :) Just do some RMT, kekw
You don't need to play 5 alts every day to progress well now. Stop making up BS.
Of course Smile Gate believes a fresh start server will be a better experience. It will be super lucrative for them...
Progresion tied to depending on other players and repetitives dailys killed this game for me. Thank you for your content Sywo :)
if they dont fix the artficial dificulty of the raids its a nosense to do a relaunch, a minimal mistake of a person is a wipe or they get instakill, this will only cause the same gatekeep everybody hates. they need to remove raid wipes, add resurrects in legion raids and give people free items if they really want to get casual players
Some people just do the easy raids for gold at this point. Only doing brel hmm 1-2 katangal 1-2 and akkan
How about claiming whole rest bonus at once.
instead of 1 bar at a time.
Don't think it's a good idea unless your Adventure Journals/NPC reputation carry over to the new servers. I'm not doing all this again 💀
It is a band-aid. They literally said that. It is a temporary band-aid till the reworks come. I wish people would actually look into stuff before proceeding to voice their opinion
Thank you so much for the video, definitely these are good changes in a good timing and we will see if the game will be able to bring back the audience once again
I do not want to do the quests again😭. But I loved the gameplay so I guess I have to power through it somehow
Thats what WoW is doing right. Providing a platform to any kind of player. Even if you log in once a month for an hour or if you only want to mine stones and cut trees instead of grinding raids and dungeons, you will have enough progress and you feel like you are part of the world and community.
In Lost Ark it feels depressing logging in after 2 months of not playing. It feels like everyone moved along and you got stuck. No one accepts you and you are alone - forced to quit.
If Lost Ark wants players to stay they have to adapt the game for everyone: The grinder, the weekly player, the monthly player, the horizontal and story content enjoyer and more types of players.
It doesnt mean that you get 1620 by cutting trees once a month, but it means to stay a part of it. It means that you can easily move around a healthy gearscore and gear setup without falling behind too much. But when everyone is 1560 why the hell would I be interested in an Express Pass to 1445? That makes no sense to me.
The more I think about it, the more I'm concerned about this new start server. Sure they said they will give more info, but thinking about all the horizontal content, stronghold, get cards, do various quest lines, no changes to una tasks as far as I see, what about alts... and new content getting releases less than in 3 months? The main problem with gatekeeping always was in LA that casual players gonna have hard time enjoying the content since latest content is the benchmark, plus a lot of content is very punishing when it comes to failing. I don't see how this server does not break after December.
Maybe smilegate got solution for all of the above but currently I'm quite skeptical this server gets anything more than few months of honeymoon period before it's back to square one.
I redownloaded the game and logged in after the road map live stream. Ran a couple of daily things, went to hone, and failed 3x in a row at 75% success rate. Logged out and uninstalled.
I have to say lost ark has such amazing and fun combat, and the raids are so much fun. It's just such a bummer when it feels like 1 day is fun because you aren't locked out of anything, and then the rest of the week is just a chore, so you dont miss out on mats. I'm an altoholic in most games, but when it becomes mandatory, it becomes unfun. Idk I could go on and on about the good and the bad but I just dont care anymore.
there will be silver honing till 1490 bro, which opens you up to 4 different massive legion raids. the honing with silver basically costs nothing , especially with the events they prepared like hyper express
@discoveryourorigins5698 Yes... I know. I stated I logged on after the road map live stream. Implying I wanted to just check out the game again only to be reminded of 1 of the reasons why I left the game in the first place. Honestly, honing isn't even what drove me away. It's the end game loop. Grinding on alts and getting gatekept because they weren't as well geared as my other characters. Having about 2 or 3 classes that I would really focus on it got to the point where it just wasn't fun after clown. If I could just log in and mindlessly farm, it'd be better than the tedious process now of logging in and out of different classes to do the same farm until you did everything for the day.
Timed islands and events are another massive annoyance that you have to schedule your day around. Needing pheons to purchase rocks to get bent over by rng, bots, man, the list goes on and on, bud.
This is not even an bandage sywo. This is how can we make quick $$. Cuz they know many ppl that have quit or still playing will jump on those servers and with hype they will spend money and eventually quit because of the same reasons as before. Typical greedy ass move by smilegate.
To clarify: Gold river specifically stated that these ARE band-aid fixes that they can get out QUICKLY while they work on creating a better fix in the future (he was speaking of chaos dungeons here)
and why would you waste your time in a bandage fix? so they come up with another one?
@@darka86 because the changes are amazing and the large majority of players are happy with them. Keeping players happy while they come up with a more permanent fix is crucial.
what large majority of players? the 20k active player base? or the 500k+ that already left the game?@@markshika3967
#1 It does little to nothing to fix many of the fundamental design flaws the game has.
# Does a little to alleviate player fatigue...but not enough....fundamentally it will still have the same inherent issues...rice-eaters that can and want to play the game as a job, will...and they will do it across at least as many, if not even more, characters. Alts are STILL the problem.
#2 Gatekeeping will still be a factor...in probably about two weeks, if that. The way wipe mechanics work guarantee it...nobody wants to waste time on their 'work'.
#3 Why would anyone that is still playing the game want to repeat progress on terribly designed systems...not even honing...card sets/gems/tripods/rapport/mokoko/roster etc when they've done a lot of that BS already.
#4 Who in their right mind after hammering away for months and month and months on end...or after huge mountains of cash injected...wants to embark on working on LoS 30 again?
#5 Why would players that still have some interest in playing the game leave all of their skins and purchased BS behind to start again. Some might...many will not.
#6 Pheons
#7 Who wants to repeat the horizontal grind again? F*%$ Tooki...
#8 Bots WILL return...I do not have ANY faith that Amazon will be able to prevent the same happening as it did when the game first released.
#9 The game is STILL essentially an extraordinarily shallow experience...decent endgame raids that most will probably NEVER play and literally nothing else other than work.
#10 The graph for the new server player numbers, I fully expect, will replicate that of the original...people may well return in the very short term and then it will lose players again (see #1)
Band-Aids are no good. For this game to stand a chance, short term fixes are not going to cut it.
Lost Ark has the most "only tolerable to do once" content in any game that I have ever seen. Do they honestly expect people to get every seed again? Every food recipe? Grind a new ship? Every ocean soul? Cards?
No way in hell.
Here is my thing about Lost Ark: the combat is amazing and it feels great to play, and it looks great too. On top of that the game has complex mechanics making the fights intriguing. The only issue I have is you are doing the same legion raid and killing the same guardian every day on multiple characters. The devs need to ensure we are killing different guardians and doing different legion raids/guardians every day. They can accomplish this by:
1) normalizing every guardian you have defeated and giving you 1 random guardian every day
2) normalizing every legion raid you have fully completed and putting them on a 2 week rotation just like the challenge abyssals
3) chaos dungeons are very bland so make them 1 a day and then give each of those bosses from the rare portals their own chaos dungeon and you select which of be you want to challenge. Then, you complete the chaos dungeon in 3 steps: clear 1 of random monster room between the three they we currently clear every time… get a portal to the boss room and then clear the boss room… get a portal to their treasure room and open a chest which you get all the loot spilling out from the chest (gems, mats, amulets, a chance at the new chaos dungeon item coming out with the patch)
Now, from these activities you will get the current materials that align with your item level from completing these activities. And everything is roster wide so you multiple the time rewards you get.
Personally for me, the core power up mechanic, being the honing, should have never been RNG. It just feels like a scam (ik its not, but still...), power up mechanics should be obvious - you get X amount of materials and you get X amount of power from this, not praying to some RNG gods that you can hone 1 level for an entire day of farming! I have about 2 h/ weekday to play - what am I going to achieve with this if everything falls on chance? RNG is the main problem. Chaos dungeons wouldnt need shorter times if their value was constant and certain!
I dont know if you understand it or not but if you need x mats for honing a thing to X ilvl but you can be LUCKY and skip it thx to rng in honing, its way better than gathering 100k+ mats and dont have chance to prog if you dont do this. Rly RNG shit you have when upgrading quality of items, cus you spending tons of mats for nothing most of the time you do this. They they should set given amount how much you need to spend for 100q like for honing
if they said you need x mats and its guaranteed upgrade it will just cost as much as it would on average to do it in the current system. and you guessed it, it would be essentially the same.
@@VenomCold you know very well that’s not true for higher level honing!
there is no way to solve gatekeeping
After playing FFXIV, I’m just… not interested anymore. Also giving Guild Wars 2 a try and loving it. And after playing Baldurs Gate 3 as well, I’ve realized that I’m just sick of games like this. Games so full of microtransactions with systems that are specifically implemented to gatekeep you and make it more viable and enticing to purchase than to play - in a VIDEO GAME. And playing these games has me figured out why I can’t stand LA anymore; it’s a monetization scheme first, and a video game second. I won’t come back unless they get rid of the F2P, tbh. Yeah, FFXIV costs me $15 a month but I can actually ENJOY the video game. You can’t even access the Mog Station IN the game 😂 not a single thing making me feel like I have to choose between “should I just spend money or waste my time?”. Lost Ark is still going to feel like a job, because it HAS to feel like a job because of all the barriers and systems they have *intentionally implemented* to make it feel like one so that I’ll spend more and more money, rather than play the damn game. Fuck that, man. I don’t have the time nor patience for it anymore when there are better options.
These servers are called jump start and are to help new players get to current end game content with other new players. These servers will combine with normal ones after a while. It's not a fresh server to reset accounts
Holy shit these comments are sad. Game is moving in the right direction on pretty much every front. The devs know the core issues and have laid out plans to fix them. Entitled gamers just continue to bitch and moan about the game when the biggest issue is their own mentality. Sure there are plenty of things that can be improved but holy shit are gamers an annoying breed. Nothing is ever good enough.
I know. It's usually the people who quit and are now projecting. The game is adding a whole bunch of INSANE changes for the better, just utterly insane changes and so many at the same time but they are all doomers still. These are the people applying to groups that are well above them wanting a carry then cry about gatekeeping because apparently everyone should just click "accept" because they applied. These doomers will never be happy. What's funny the game could give them roster 300, 5x3+2 level 10 gems, los30, and everything, and watch 2min into a raid people want to replace them.
I'm not rolling stones to make a build work man.
See now the idea of a fresh server with accelerated honing sounds great. If you could just shut my eyes and ears off there you'd see me return to Lost Ark. The problem is you quickly remember why you quit in the first place.
The endgame grind was boring, meaningless and the upgrading was entirely dependant on RNG. I had some characters reach higher level than the rest of the clan through sheer luck, which then prevents the lower leveled players from even participating in the raids.
I cant ever in good conscience return to LA. I loved my time in this game but once you're away from it, the problems it has are glaringly obvious.
They said these changes were bandaids to begin with, so it's a good direction to go to
No thanks. Ban all RMT, remove all bots (and I mean ALL), remove gold buying from the shop via real money, ban bus sellers, remove wipe mechs from legion raid normal modes, also give worthy amount of gold for normal modes, add even more ways to get cards, let us make gold from atleast 10+ different things that are considered as endgame content, more events, better events, implement community needs, reduce p2w, remove pheons, add a family system so all my characters can be in 1 guild, a.k.a. guilds will function as guilds and not like dead alt houses. Give EVERY world boss meaningful loot, so we will visit the world, place random events in the world for cool rewards. Then we can talk. Until then, no.
Do you have the same kinda requirements to find the perfect woman too? God damn. 😂
@@CookiesCatbug Well, yes, of course. I choose my wife, because I'm confident after a few decades I won't need to list such a long list of problems. On the other hand, this is a videogame my little friend, and if it has a 100 issues, from which 90 is huge, and only a few good point, then why tf would anyone play it. Steam charts speaks for itself.
@@CookiesCatbug The truth he typed hurt your soul this much bro? Go do your dailies and forget this asap.
@@nerotv747 I donno seems like the ex you keep checking up on because you keep lying to yourself that you're happier now? Forget about her and her new boyfriend, they're happier together than you ever were!
@@derhenker1799 I will def think about it for about 5 seconds and then remember, why would I care what you say? 🤣
love your content bro
Very thoughtfully and thoroughly explained, Sywo! I really appreciate the honesty and realistic expectations for the upcoming relaunch in September. As a player who has quit Lost Ark after few months of grinding Vykas weekly in NA after its release, you really pointed out the flaws I personally found in the game very well. The game became more of a chore/homework than it was about enjoying myself. Everything had to be min-max'ed to efficiently use the limited time I had to play video games to the point where I was trying to convince myself to login everyday. After half a year, I came back and I was gatekept even on characters that were ilvl 1480...needless to say, I had to spend even more time in the game just trying to find a party. Not fun. So I ended up quitting again before I even had a chance to play
Nope, not good enough to bring me back. Still too many chores.
so basically a heavier pay to win version of current game with a fresh start that have all content open and encourage you to spend even more to reach endgame ? or be the frist to controll server in guild islands ,etc and just pay to win ? while orginal servers are already dead " beyond dead " , yeah realy smart idea to kill what's left of playerbase , im happy that happened so that game dies .
Not allowing at least you to start a raid below 8 people is stupid. If I wanted to I should be allowed to solo start the raid, what do they care
Lost Ark=Lost Out
This games ability to make you feel FOMO, with literally every passing minute is gross and disgusting. I played about 800 hours(according to Steam) @ launch, will never be going back.
Correct me if I'm wrong but as a new player I think "power pass" is counter intuitive.
I played main story as Deadeye and used pass on Slinger to get the similar feel and not completely learn new class for group content.
Well, I'm still not doing any group content because nobody wants me with power-pass gear and I'd rather finish the main quest with my main.
I assume I'm not original with this thought bout group content should start way, WAY sooner than first awakening. If "fresh start server" could do anything right it would be some kind of gear capped or gear equalized missions, familiarizing noobs with cooperation and big boss attacks without fat bastards one-shotting them.
I'm not sure how generous the items from daily logins and events were so far, after a month I honed to 500 gear (can't see a reason to push for more - tell me if there is one please), I can do first set of chaos dungeons and even got first gold from kicking A̶f̶u̶a̶r̶u̶ some merchant goblin. I will prioritize finishing main quest because it kept me going since day one but I'm hesitant to start my entire journey on a server completely disconnected from stuff I already worked on - funny enough, something I'd prefer in BDO even if my progress would be slightly slowed down by RNG before hitting the PEN Tuvala and the basic horse would be slightly annoying but that's it. The main problem with BDO "seasonal" balance is some classes being much MUCH more efficient with seasonal gear in both PvE and PvP but mostly PvE (aside from veterans numerous advantages outside their game knowledge). No idea how this translates into Lost Ark - would there be class meta for fresh server raids or how much advantage will swipers get over truly new players just wanting to catch up for being included, even sacrificing progress on their main server.
I have 2500+hrs and IMO this is like putting lipstick on a pig.
I have played with the same group of players since the '90's. Only game we have come across where even early in the MSQ, Smilegate was gating content in the questline where each of us had to complete an instance separately. I guess they were setting us up for endgame. We literally hardly played with each other in the real "meat & potatoes" of endgame because our time and gaming efficiency was different than one another. We were simply gated by ilevel from then on out.
The same problem will exist in a fresh-start server in a very short period of time. All AGS has done is used a bean-counter to look at what it would take in $$$ to relaunch fresh-start servers and understand the revenue's that it would bring in in battle passes & purchase of in-game currency. The problem is still there, they just moved the goal posts.
I still think there is a large part of the western audience, that doesn't like being told they have to do something (much less submissive/compliant). And really the daily login, baited with mat's etc., that is exactly what it feels like. It feels like you cannot go and enjoy another title until you get LA dailies out of the way.
Too bad really, it's the best and most diverse combat I have experienced.
very good points, will mention this in my next video on the topic of changes before fresh start
Some good changes here and it's drawn me back in, can't wait to try Akkan out... and hope to see you checking the raid out as well!
You guys are insane to come back to the same shit game after all happened.
The changes needed to make me excited to come back would have to be so drastic that I'm 100% confident in saying SG won't ever get me to come back. They are so stuck on keeping the same gameplay loop and keeping "homework" that this game will be run into the ground. If I owned a game, step one would be for the word "homework" and "chores" to be nowhere near or connected to my game. However, the tiny bandaid fixes and the slow, SLOOOOW speed at which they choose to make any kind of change will strangle the dwindling playerbase far quicker than they can ever get players to return. I loved this game for 2 or 3 months. I continued grinding for 2 or 3 months. Then I did homework/chores for a month or 2 till I reached the point of hating the game and its gameplay loop. That is besides the point that Lost Ark takes the approach of saying fuck the west and caters strictly to Korea. Always being behind in updates is so dumb.
remember how the only reason they rushed the fuck out of us was the excuse of catching up to kr? yeah we're still exactly where we started. 1 year behind. so much for fomoing the entire playerbase from start to finish and therefore literally killing the game. if they REALLY wanted us to be on the same patch they would just hand us 15xx characters instead of making us play for an entire year in obsolote content
I will give it another try when September comes I enjoy the levelling in any mmo I love running dungeons world bosses and other group content I DO NOT like chores I want to log in play whatever with friends and log out having progressed my character ever so slightly As someone who has the time to play many hours a day I will However bring RNG into the equation and its totally inane and stupid I am out and out for good this should be referred to as the mass dissapointment and should not be in any game I would rather craft all day long and build for myself and others than subject myself to this endless pain.
0 to 1370 is fun. So im gonna play
I’ll come back when I don’t need to grind everyday like a dam part time job, also I need a better rotation or things to do that I need to perform daily, chaos dungeons were ok, but took to long. Guardian raids were dope but I shouldn’t need to do two per character a day, shit make em harder and have better rewards. Honing is absolutely terrible, I hate it and it should be easier and if not then make gear drop from legion raids or something, this percentage crap has us storing material for two month to go from 1409 to maybe and a hard maybe 1560. That’s if you get lucky rolls and have the bonus material to increase percentage. The whole point of the game is to get stronger so why are you gate keeping us from getting stronger with a system that barely lets you bring your gear up. Then you have the worst offender of them all god dam pheons. I don’t know who’s bright idea it was to luck items you need for other characters in a game where they want you to play other character’s, behind a arbitrary pay wall disguised as a means to “protect the player driven auction house”. It all just comes off lazy and scummy, you could at least allow more pheons to drop from different activities, but it’s to far and few to even warrant playing more then 5 classes that are truly built perfect. I already need chrystaline Aura just to use my dam pet inventory. All convenience features are locked behind paying, then if you don’t pay you get left behind and no one lets you join there raid and or there’s no more schooling to even learn the raids.
no way hose, i already have a job