For sure the best (and funny) review that I ever saw! Good job guys! I had GS lc 2014. Fantastic bike. From last year I have new Africa (manual mode). If I can choose now between Africa twin and Bmw gs lc, for sure I will choose Africa! Why? 1. I'm not enough rich for BMW. (Honda is much cheaper on beginning, as well spare parts and maintenance). 2. Africa has amazing balance 3. Reliability of Honda. 4. Lovely sound and smooth clutch of Africa. 5. I don't need much electronics like Bmw offering. Just abs is more than enough. I had on BMW 5,200km and now on Africa 11k - definitely I will choose Africa! (anyhow, still think that gs is amazing bike and always feel excited when see it on the road. Just: Africa is my choice) Cheers to all ❤️🏁
Your dealer will probably pass out if you try to order one, but you can get a GS minus most of the electronic goodies and fancy things they order most with, including the Dynamic Suspension and for a lot less money. However, you quickly find there are things like Cruise Control you might want and then you start adding the packages to get them and the price shoots back up again - but if you have the self control, a much more basic bike is available. Apparently most want the "bells and whistles" because bikes without the details are hard to sell used, whereas out of warranty I might like the more basic model with much less to go wrong.
I've the VFR 1200 X, which is more like the GS than the Africa Twin. The Africa Twin is more comparable to the F850 and is very easy to handle in the dirt, if you get the DCT version. So far I owned 3 BMW's incl. the boxer. Every one of them had some technical quality issues, before reaching 40'000 km. I didn't keep anyone of them for more than 2 years. They required to many costly repairs on the gear boxes and electronics. BMW's are great fun to drive and have excellent engines, however they do not last. Stay away from all the latest models which have not been for at least 2 years on the market or you will be participating in an involuntary BMW beta testing program. On my VFR, I just clocked 40'000 km. It still runs like new. It has same cylinder head OHC (no VTEC) design as Africa Twin (just 4 cylinders instead of 2). Honda has perfected it over decades in cars (Civic) and several bike engines. It is so reliable, that the first valves check is not required before 80'000 km. Engine and the drive train is designed to lasts 300'000 km. There is a guy in Austria, who has made 600'000 km on his Honda Varadero and so far another 200'000 on an Africa Twin. None of the bike engines required any repairs or had to be rebuild. Even the DCT on the Twin runs after the 200 k like new.
Thank you so much, I got a 2007 fireblade instead of an R1200GS twice its price and Blade rode like a dream for 3 years now getting older and need more of a touring stance, have the Yamaha XT600 after crashing my 2010 S1000RR and Sold my Blade and 2009 R1 along side the remaining bits of the S1000RR (which crashed because of electrical sensor failure) Now almost got caught in buying another R1200GS but your comment is a good slap back to life....Oh did I mention that the GS I let go and got my blase had the classic front fork failure and almost killed the owner.....so I shop for a Honda thank you
Another ENVY of GS. In italy the honda crosstourer 1200 is a bike of 5000 euro of value. From always. A Ct 1200 (280kg of bike 🤣🤣🤣) of 3 years with 10000km has less value of A GS OF 2004 WITH 150000KM. In sintesy, A GS you will sell ALWAYS. A CT NO. NOBODY WANTS IT. Is a boat bike, too heavy, too consume of Gas. Africa twin is a bike for child
One important difference for me as I was learning to ride a large ADV bike, is that the GS boxer engine leaves you a space behind the engine cylinders for your legs, so if you drop it on its side, you won't break you leg or get trapped under 600 lbs of vehicle. You can slide out from under in uninjured, pick it up and keep going. That's one of the untold advantages of a boxer engine.
I agree, it's more how you ride than it is which is better. Honda built the Africa Twin from the offroad to road where as BMW went from road to offroad. You can see this approach in the 21in front tire, 9in ground clearance, width of the seat, and the long suspension travel. You can't really compare the two.
Depending on what you have in mind they are not really comparable, despite this good review. If you want to carry a passenger and travel long distances on the road the BMW is going to be hands down the best choice. I can't imagine using either of these bikes for anything serious off road so I don't see the fact the Africa Twin is better off road as being any advantage for me. It's also not clear exactly which model of the GS they have here, it appears to be the Rallye, but they don't say if it has the Sport Suspension which is 20mm higher than stock and better suited for off road, I've seen them jumped and allsorts with that set up. They are both great bikes, but sufficiently different that I think the choice is made for you by your intended purpose. For many the difference in price alone will exclude the BMW.
I don't think u bitches have ever ridden a bike lol these are touring bikes designed to go very long distance with great off road capabilities and bmw is hands down the best bike for touring i say this from experience fuck the honda it looks ugly as well
Love the videos and the presentation style. Very 'man in the street' style without trying to be too 'correct'. It's refreshing to have honest views vs overly hyped 'sold out' presenters. Keep up this style lads !!! It's a breath of fresh air for all of us motorcycle fans out here !! :-D
Great video, guys. Well edited. Was a pleasure to watch. A great advert for road trips and adventure riding. Like your analysis. The aerial views and impressive landscapes made it almost like being along for the ride. Also, good choices of music that fitted in well. Good job!
Greetings from Portugal! Loved the review, very honest, nice humor and very well edited! As for the bikes, both are amazing on their own way as you said. Personally, I'd go for the Africa Twin! (Waiting for a black one actually).
I'm riding GS since 2013 when this model come out. I'm riding a lot offroad - proper mud and sand. I like a lot that it don't have chain. I cannot imagine how many chains and gears I would replace in this 5 years. Probably one set each year. Also I have 2 sets of rear wheel with tyre. One for tarmac, other for offroad (anakee wild) I'm changing rear wheel in 5 minutes in my shed. I can ride with streetbike friends and next day with offroad friends. Front tyre I have K60 which is good for tarmac and sand. Front fork problems was solved by BMW for free. I like hondas big front wheel and automatic gearbox. Dont like chain. Also I have problems with my back and when I fell over from BMW it is much easier to lift it because it will stay not completely flat on the ground but under about 30' degrees angle. Both bikes are good.
I think that the Africa Twin is more comparable to an 800GS. Both have chain drive, parallel twin and 21" front wheels. 1200GS is the next step up, that's why it costs so much more than the Honda.
I looked at the Africa Twin a while back and really liked it, but I do not see it as a direct competitor to the 1200GS, as you point out. The 800GS is probably closer to the AT, and most people would clearly know if they wanted an 800 or 1200GS based on their intended use, which also applies to the comparison here. GS's are expensive without a doubt, but it also depends which model, spec and accessories are included with the GS. The GS Rallye with the sports Suspension (20mm higher, different spring rates) that makes it similar to the Adventure model is much more "dirt worthy" than the stock model and I believe would be capable of things off road that the Africa Twin may not be able to do. But there's no doubt that for riding solo, the AT at its price point is a fantastic choice. Ultimately, I believe the BMW can be better all round with enough extras added from the BMW catalog, like a better seat for starters, but then you are in a completely different price bracket which means they are not true competitors when one costs twice as much as the non DCT version of the other. You truly do pay your money and make your choice.
Good work and very nice video, guys, thank you a lot! I like this bikes both, but i was driving only GS1200. Amazing motorbike! Now i want to try the Africa Twin! :) Hi from Belarus! ;)
Thank you for a very well done video. I just love the concept of a motorcycle video that shows actual motorcycles. So many just show a talking head with a wall in the background. This video is a true work of art. Stunning, beautiful and informative. I hope other TH-cam videographers watch and learn from this one!
As expected. With the 21" front wheel the Honda is going to have an advantage off road. No clear winner. For me I'd go with the GS as I like a sporty ride and gravel roads are as far as I'd push it. For demanding off road work I use my Husqvarna 701 as my weapon of choice.
I alwasy love your reviews! Great filming, and fun reviews! I hope to travel to Europe to ride like this one day! Keep it up, your'e quickly becoming one of my favorite channels! I just bought a new FJ 09, but am pretty sure my next bike will be a GS in a couple of years!
Good review. As you say, if it's a highly-featured asphalt performer you are looking for and you have the money, you're a GS man but if you want something simpler, lighter and more affordable with superior offroad capabilities, the Africa Twin is it. The manual version is lighter and even more affordable btw.
Calm down everyone, they are both great. There is no loser here. Where I live, the BMW is $10,000 dollars more than the Honda. It is not $10,000 better, but if you can afford it go for it!
szeriman13 Depends where you live. They sell more Africa Twins in Australia than BMW's. 2018 now and it's shifting. GS850 is hugely overpriced. The Charlie and Ewen influence is wearing off...
We are talking about adventure bikes, right! So this means to me, 80% off-road and 20% onroad! So with this in mind, why would you choose the BMW, because it is better in tight mountainous roads and feels more stable, when most of your riding will be Enduro, off the pavement! Adventure right? Buy a sports bike if you want to ride fast in tight corners! Sorry, for the money, the Africa Twin wins hands down in the "adventure" environment! BTW, the BMW suffers badly from poorly built front forks (Stanchion separation) when pushed off road! Common fault I hear!
I love the Africa twin. I think the gs is probably a better bike, but in Ireland an africa twin is 14500 and a gs adv is 24000. The gs is better but not almost 9000 better.
Not if it's the liquid cooled engine the clutch is a wet clutch on the front of the motor and accessible. The old design with the dry clutch and separate transmission was another deal if the clutch went. The GS is far from plagued with problems.
I've made the same roads that you did with V-Strom 650 (two editions). Over half year ago after some test rides on several different motorbikes (including BMW GS 1200, V-Strom 1000, KTM 1190, Triumph Tiger 800 XCx) I decided to buy new Africa Twin. After 10.000 km I can say it was good choice. Now I can say that for this moment the only think I am sometimes thinking about is new Africa Twin with DCT. DCT is great.
So you guys come of out of nowhere and make the best bike comparison and touring video I have ever seen. Amazing. And I sure hope that the Montenegro tourist board is paying you a decent fee.
You guys, the videos are awesome! Getting better and better! I actually testdrove the GS and AT (dct) last week and bought the gs rallye because of the electronic fidgets and performance in the twisties, waiting for delivery now:) so really cool to see this video ,keep up the good work
Great video gentlemen! Your comparisons of both bikes are very real-world! I think your summary is very good, as each bike offers different appeal. I'm personally a GS guy, but the Honda is a wonderful bike that impresses with it's feeling of lightness and handling off-road. Thank you for your professional overview!
The two of you are polite and charming. Great video project! It was worth the effort. Please do more long ride reviews like this. It's the purest way to review and compare bikes.
Good honest review, I am fortunate to have both, very different bikes indeed however the GS is my choice as a super tourer. Although BMW have had some issues the AT build is rubbish for a Honda, flaking and poor engine finish, soft headed screws and bolts that hark back to the 70's that we all changed for Allen cap heads, crap cheap plating on brake and gear levers etc etc, just not good enough to survive even one English winter. So there you have it Mr Honda, my gripe, for an off road biased bike the finish is dreadful. On the plus side the AT is one of the easiest bikes around to ride, it's almost viceless. perfect for easy trails, commuting because it's narrow, and my choice if I was going to explore third world countries, however If I was loading the panniers, taking the Mrs and going to the south of France for a holiday, then the GS no question. 2 adventure bikes poles apart.
That about sums up the key differences and the fact you own both further illustrates they are two quite different machines, not really competitors for most who would consider them.
The GS has always been the most beautiful bike to me. I’ve just ordered the AT in the tri colour and I think it’s much prettier than the GS. I also really dislike the GS1250 and the new AT is even prettier, so the gap has become wider
Nice review and I am happy that it is in Europe with Europeans. Nice storyline, edit and shots. I recognise a lot from during my motorbike VLOG. Keep up the good work! Va salut din Belgia (da un Belgian care a invatat limba Romana) :)
rating these sorts of bikes for off-road capability is a waste of time. 99.9% of owners are NEVER going to do any serious "enduro" riding. A gravel driveway is probably the most off roading they will ever encounter. I have a 92 R/100/GS that I bought used and have put 100,000 miles on now, it had 32,000 when I bought it. I like off road riding, but would never dream of taking that heavy pig. What it's great at is carving up canyon roads. I am always amazed at how easily it handles, it's just a natural. I have 4 other newer BMW bikes, and it's still my favorite bike. Great vid guys, I love the mountains. I envy people that live in Europe.
If I had to choose one to do a world ride, I would take the Africa Twin. More dealer network, Honda dependability, and more capable off-road and they said it the,selves, it is less likely to break down. It won’t let you down, it is cheaper to run and accessorize, and when you are in the middle of no where would you want a motorcycle that is extremely capable off-road, lighter, has good touring ability, or a touring machine focused on road touring and some off-road capability?
Als one advantage; when you buy an AT you can find your bike again when you have stopped at a diner... if you have a GS you have to search for your own bike between all the other not original GS-riders... 😂
I always like to hear your opinions on bikes. With these two bikes I can see why it is difficult to choose. The Honda probably needs a couple of years to smooth out the suspension & traction control. BMW has been around longer so they have those things worked out. I like both bikes, but I would prefer something around 700cc for less weight.
Excellent Review. I've never thought that I would hear a fellow adventure rider say that they enjoy lubricating the chain. I currently ride a 2011 Triumph Tiger 800xc with the Givi Trekker Outback cases. Its an excellent all around bike, BUT, since taking a 3-day, 850mile trip with a 140 lb. passenger and 100 lb.+ of gear, I've made several conclusions. 1) I prefer riding solo. 2) Riding two-up off road is very challenging. These conclusions have led me to believe that the best adventure bike for me is actually two bikes; one for two-up riding and one for solo. One thing, I am certain of is that I want a more street oriented bike for two up riding. I found the triumph 800xc suspension insufficient for great two-up riding. Its doable, but not great (even after adjustment). Having a more road oriented adventure bike, like the 1200GS, with a stiffer suspension and more adjustability would be excellent for two-up adventure touring. Next, I would like to have a lighter dual sport bike for solo riding. The 800xc is great but a think its a bit heavy for serious off road riding. I think I would prefer something like the KTM 690 Enduro R or a modified KLR 650, but I have yet to prove this point as I've not done an extended solo adventure ride. Perhaps, now that I'm more comfortable with the bike, the weight would be less noticeable? I know that it seamed a bit too heavy when I first got the bike and took it off road.... Anyhow thats my two cents. You guys did a great job with this review and I am glad that you guys discussed the major differences. You guys have earned a subscriber.
the GS 1200 is an excellent running bike for 3 years, then the warranty expires and the GS begins to fall apart, at this point the GS becomes very very expensive to own!
They are very very expensive from the beginning. Still, GS offers better value for money all things considered. Also it depends how you use it and maintain it.
Fair balanced and interesting review. I’d like both. Repair and maintenance costs should be a consideration because they can be quite high for BMW vs a Japanese bike.
I've spent 24000 km on a DCT Africa Twin. The default traction control sucks , it intervenes way too much and too harshly. Use setting 2 or 1 if you like using TC. I usually turn mine off, but then I"ve been riding for 20+ years... Also, when describing the BMW as high tech and the AT as simple at the end, you forgot one important feature. The Africa Twin has the best and most high tech motorcycle transmission available -- the DCT! It's a game changer.
yayoi1 I agree with you about the traction control being too intrusive. I feel mode 2 and 3 are much the same and usually leave mine in mode 1 or turn it off. The difference between mode 1 and 2 is too much. Other than that, I have love my africa twin.
Beemers have become too unreliable for the GS to be worth considering. The Honda is the better choice, and when you consider the price, Honda reliability, and the better comfort, it's the only choice.
I would also prefer Honda over BMW for the reasons you mention. BUT here in germany I get the feeling 1 of 3 Bikes is the GS. Finally I am a Nakedbike fan, so the look of a bike means the most to me... and even as a Honda fanboy I have to admit the GS looks cooler to me then the Africa Twin. FGreat Review BTW
I'm sure you have any reliable sources for your statement regarding reliability? I rode 32.000 km on my current GSA in less than 2 years. No problems at all. Before that, I had the standard lc-GS (got stolen). Rode it for around 25.000 km in the same time. No problems. My father, my brother-in-law and his father, all ride GS, too. Zero problems for houndreds of thousands of kilometres combined. And we're using them for what they were build for: Travelling on all sorts of roads, no commuting. I really can't see any reliability-issues with the GS. Regarding the price-difference: The GS offers around 30% more HP and torque. It's just one class above the AfricaTwin. The matching opponent for the AfricaTwin would be the F800GS (which is around 1.000€ cheaper than the AT). However, the 1200 GS is only around 3.000€ more than the AT. Nobody forces you to buy all the options for the GS, but you CAN buy them. On the AfricaTwin, you can't. Even if you want to.
FLOB32 My own GS sheared the transmission output shaft with just under 50k km when the rearmost bearing seized. Check up one transmission rebuild with the bike just out of warranty. At least it shifted better after the rebuild. Before that, the speedometer packed up at 15k kms. Even sooner than that, one of the headers had to be replaced when the chrome started peeling off literally from new. Other than that, it was perfectly reliable.... Every year one of the French magazines publishes a special issue evaluating motorcycles from a consumer perspective and for the past few years the GS, as well as several other Beemers, has made the list of risky purchases. There was also Consumer Reports' list of most reliable motorcycle brands, in which Break My Wallet (couldn't resist) finished 9th, or second last, with a 40% failure rate. Hey, look at the bright side: 60% of them are trouble free !
FLOB32 The amazing thing is how BMW owners can tell me with a straight face that it wasn't so bad, I only had two problems (three, actually) in 50000kms. Never mind that one of them was a freaking blown transmission ! This is something I've observed with BMW owners, they love their bikes and are willing to overlook some pretty major issues. Kind of like Harley-Davidson owners, but at least Harleys are well-made and reliable. As for your list of problems with Hondas and Yamahas, should we, perhaps, discuss the fried electronics on K1600s ? or perhaps the handlebar switches that overheat and stop functioning if that same bike is parked in the hot sun for too long ? I can guarantee that this does not happen with Gold Wings or Electra Glides. But, you're right of course, every manufacturer has its share of issues, it's just that BMW has more than anyone else except BRP.
FLOB32 Half an hour after posting a reply to your reply, I read that BMW is recalling the RnineT because of loose swingarm pivot bolts. So far this year they have had to recall every version of the R1200GS, the C-scooters, and the R1200RT Police bikes.
Thank you guys for your honest opinion. I my self currently have a Kawasaki KLR 650 but I need more power so I am looking to purchase an Africa Twin. This review solidifies my decision. Thank you.
I tried to buy the Africa Twin when they came out but Honda were such a pain in the ass and kept saying, next month, next month etc. I then rode the GS and instantly ordered one - it came three days later and four years on I wouldn't swap it. Be realistic about going off road - most don't. I've never taken my GS further than a rough fire road and it is soooo good on the road. If you really do go off road then an 800 GS, Africa Twin or KTM adventure. Great video guys and I will try and get to Montenegro next year.
It’s not a no-brained. My 2019 AS is the only bike I’ve ever owned that had bad engine problems right out of the gate. After months in the shop, it still knocks really bad. It’s only at 10k miles now, and she’s going up for sale. It’s slow, it knocks, it’s uncomfortable, and did I mention slow? ….and I will never buy another bike with a chain, there is no point when there are superior drive systems out there.
Oh yeah, and it’s not a lemon. If you read through the forums, you will find out that a lot of them have bad engine knock, which results ultimately in catastrophic failure. Most expensive bike on the adventure bike market to maintain, and ultimately, nobody has found a final solution. Bad design. They say it was fixed with the 1100 redesign. I for one won’t find out, I cannot risk big money on unreliability.
The only thing that Honda lacks is a cruise control and the africa twin more comfortabel than a GS!? I think not i have put 11k on nu AT and i have an airhawk strapped to my seat and for long distances a wheeler pants under my motojeans. And as for reliability, 2 starter switches failed, 1 throttlebody a new ECU and new throttle assembly. Glad I have warranty till next year. After that i get back to beemers.
Great video... I really like the personal takes on the bikes and the production style. You guys are so lucky to be able to ride on such beautiful places. I hope someday I'll be able to ride in a similar adventure. These kinds of videos inspire me more. Keep it up!!!
Awsome vid fantastic watch , I've the AT and love it but yes suspension soft if going off-road then work is needed as I've found out and nearly lost it big time didn't like big hits , but touring it's lovely bike I've done 4 k in 15 months and I work away from home so every time home it's out 👍thanks guys Steven
Top quality vids. Fantastic people. And, ambassadors for motor cycling in these lesser travelled countries. Can I ship my bike from the states and visit? Keep up the good works!!
Seriously a very good test, nice production and very well comment from both of you. Keep up doing this great Video. And what wonderful countries. Greetings from Germany.
Hey guys! Good job with your review. My friend is going to but new africa and this video also helped him to make a right decision. Thanks a lot and looking forward for new video 😉
I’ve just been through all the comments and here is my opinion. Gs is sold the most, that is because most people buying them are over 50’s. 1. They are mainly the people who can afford them 2. They require the comfort 3. They use them for touring as they have the time. 4. They are buying them new and this have the warranty and couldn’t be bothered with the u reliability, especially now that they have 5 year warranty in South Africa. I think that the 2014+ GS was the most beautiful bike ever, I really think they ruined the 1250, BUT I just bought a African Twin DCT and think that it’s the most beautiful bike in the tri colour. I want to do off road even though I am inexperienced and thus think that it’s the best match. I think people make too much of a thing about what’s the best and don’t enjoy the point of being on a motorcycle and having the wind hit you in the face
Great video, unfortunately here in Brazil these bikes are very expensive, Africa Twin in Brazil has a price similar the GS1200. In Brazil doesn't have the DCT version. I visited the Europe last year, in total 10 countries, Europe is beautiful. Congratulations.
Sounds like the Africa Twin is the bike if you'll be going on shorter legs per day, more offroading. The GS is the better bike for longer days in the saddle and on pavement yet will still handle dirt roads. I agree with this, and that's why I bought a GSA. The cruise control was a major reason, as was the lower saddle. I spend 80% or more on the pavement. The GSA is the perfect long distance bike for most reasonable conditions... but I wouldn't take either on something like the Road of Bones.
Excellent review -- very informative and well balanced, with lots of good tech details but also nice subjective discussions too! Beautiful scenery too. Thanks!
I test drove the Africa twin today in Glasgow manual and dct loved them both but would have to be the dct. I wouldn’t have a gs for the same reason I wouldn’t have an Audi or bmw! It seems like the only bikes you see these days. Maybe they are great but am not following the herd. Yi hardly ever see a Africa twin on the road. 😍
For sure the best (and funny) review that I ever saw!
Good job guys!
I had GS lc 2014. Fantastic bike.
From last year I have new Africa (manual mode).
If I can choose now between Africa twin and Bmw gs lc, for sure I will choose Africa!
Why?
1. I'm not enough rich for BMW. (Honda is much cheaper on beginning, as well spare parts and maintenance).
2. Africa has amazing balance
3. Reliability of Honda.
4. Lovely sound and smooth clutch of Africa.
5. I don't need much electronics like Bmw offering. Just abs is more than enough.
I had on BMW 5,200km and now on Africa 11k - definitely I will choose Africa!
(anyhow, still think that gs is amazing bike and always feel excited when see it on the road. Just: Africa is my choice)
Cheers to all ❤️🏁
Your dealer will probably pass out if you try to order one, but you can get a GS minus most of the electronic goodies and fancy things they order most with, including the Dynamic Suspension and for a lot less money. However, you quickly find there are things like Cruise Control you might want and then you start adding the packages to get them and the price shoots back up again - but if you have the self control, a much more basic bike is available. Apparently most want the "bells and whistles" because bikes without the details are hard to sell used, whereas out of warranty I might like the more basic model with much less to go wrong.
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Hi, how do you feel about the comfort of seating for long distance between these two bike?
bmw is not for everyone keep that in mind 😉
I've the VFR 1200 X, which is more like the GS than the Africa Twin. The Africa Twin is more comparable to the F850 and is very easy to handle in the dirt, if you get the DCT version.
So far I owned 3 BMW's incl. the boxer. Every one of them had some technical quality issues, before reaching 40'000 km. I didn't keep anyone of them for more than 2 years. They required to many costly repairs on the gear boxes and electronics. BMW's are great fun to drive and have excellent engines, however they do not last. Stay away from all the latest models which have not been for at least 2 years on the market or you will be participating in an involuntary BMW beta testing program.
On my VFR, I just clocked 40'000 km. It still runs like new. It has same cylinder head OHC (no VTEC) design as Africa Twin (just 4 cylinders instead of 2). Honda has perfected it over decades in cars (Civic) and several bike engines. It is so reliable, that the first valves check is not required before 80'000 km. Engine and the drive train is designed to lasts 300'000 km. There is a guy in Austria, who has made 600'000 km on his Honda Varadero and so far another 200'000 on an Africa Twin. None of the bike engines required any repairs or had to be rebuild. Even the DCT on the Twin runs after the 200 k like new.
Thank you so much, I got a 2007 fireblade instead of an R1200GS twice its price and Blade rode like a dream for 3 years now getting older and need more of a touring stance, have the Yamaha XT600 after crashing my 2010 S1000RR and Sold my Blade and 2009 R1 along side the remaining bits of the S1000RR (which crashed because of electrical sensor failure) Now almost got caught in buying another R1200GS but your comment is a good slap back to life....Oh did I mention that the GS I let go and got my blase had the classic front fork failure and almost killed the owner.....so I shop for a Honda thank you
Isn't the VFR 1200 a street bike ?
@@richardshort4587 theres adv version also
@@technitroengineering1768 buy the oil/air cooled one, it lasts forever.
Another ENVY of GS. In italy the honda crosstourer 1200 is a bike of 5000 euro of value. From always. A Ct 1200 (280kg of bike 🤣🤣🤣) of 3 years with 10000km has less value of A GS OF 2004 WITH 150000KM. In sintesy, A GS you will sell ALWAYS. A CT NO. NOBODY WANTS IT. Is a boat bike, too heavy, too consume of Gas. Africa twin is a bike for child
I had the same problem in deciding which bike. Ultimately went with the BMW F800GS. Africa Twin vs. F800GS would make a great video too.
African Twin for the win .
One important difference for me as I was learning to ride a large ADV bike, is that the GS boxer engine leaves you a space behind the engine cylinders for your legs, so if you drop it on its side, you won't break you leg or get trapped under 600 lbs of vehicle. You can slide out from under in uninjured, pick it up and keep going. That's one of the untold advantages of a boxer engine.
DARIVS ARCHITECTVS and if u drop and crack your cycling head u won't be happy
They do sell engine bars, without which the AT's get damaged very easily also.
The bike also doesn't go right on it's side in a low speed crash due to the cylinders so is much easier to pick up.
The star of this video was farmer sitting like a boss at home.
Badass guy. Drinking a turkish coffee and enjoying the sunset.
@@DriveMagRiders Keeping low key cause he has a chopped Hog in the shed.
Great production quality, well done guys! Keep up the good work :)
Thank you!
I agree, it's more how you ride than it is which is better. Honda built the Africa Twin from the offroad to road where as BMW went from road to offroad. You can see this approach in the 21in front tire, 9in ground clearance, width of the seat, and the long suspension travel. You can't really compare the two.
Depending on what you have in mind they are not really comparable, despite this good review. If you want to carry a passenger and travel long distances on the road the BMW is going to be hands down the best choice. I can't imagine using either of these bikes for anything serious off road so I don't see the fact the Africa Twin is better off road as being any advantage for me. It's also not clear exactly which model of the GS they have here, it appears to be the Rallye, but they don't say if it has the Sport Suspension which is 20mm higher than stock and better suited for off road, I've seen them jumped and allsorts with that set up.
They are both great bikes, but sufficiently different that I think the choice is made for you by your intended purpose. For many the difference in price alone will exclude the BMW.
I don't think u bitches have ever ridden a bike lol these are touring bikes designed to go very long distance with great off road capabilities and bmw is hands down the best bike for touring i say this from experience fuck the honda it looks ugly as well
The Africa Twin absolutely is a serious off-road bike IMO. There are plenty of vids of people making MX tracks their bitch on the AT.
I will take the honda. No doubt.
Same here experience of Honda in bikes is insane.
Me too
Me too I like the f…ing monster 😁 BUT NOT DCT
Love the videos and the presentation style. Very 'man in the street' style without trying to be too 'correct'. It's refreshing to have honest views vs overly hyped 'sold out' presenters. Keep up this style lads !!! It's a breath of fresh air for all of us motorcycle fans out here !! :-D
Great video, guys. Well edited. Was a pleasure to watch. A great advert for road trips and adventure riding. Like your analysis. The aerial views and impressive landscapes made it almost like being along for the ride. Also, good choices of music that fitted in well. Good job!
Greetings from Portugal!
Loved the review, very honest, nice humor and very well edited!
As for the bikes, both are amazing on their own way as you said. Personally, I'd go for the Africa Twin! (Waiting for a black one actually).
I'm riding GS since 2013 when this model come out. I'm riding a lot offroad - proper mud and sand. I like a lot that it don't have chain. I cannot imagine how many chains and gears I would replace in this 5 years. Probably one set each year. Also I have 2 sets of rear wheel with tyre. One for tarmac, other for offroad (anakee wild) I'm changing rear wheel in 5 minutes in my shed. I can ride with streetbike friends and next day with offroad friends. Front tyre I have K60 which is good for tarmac and sand. Front fork problems was solved by BMW for free. I like hondas big front wheel and automatic gearbox. Dont like chain. Also I have problems with my back and when I fell over from BMW it is much easier to lift it because it will stay not completely flat on the ground but under about 30' degrees angle. Both bikes are good.
All good points. I can't help but wonder how long it will be before BMW makes a 21" front wheel model to compete with KTM.
The Eastern Europe version of Ari Henning and Zack Courts! Wonderful video. Beautiful cinematography. Interesting technical discussions.
I think that the Africa Twin is more comparable to an 800GS. Both have chain drive, parallel twin and 21" front wheels. 1200GS is the next step up, that's why it costs so much more than the Honda.
I looked at the Africa Twin a while back and really liked it, but I do not see it as a direct competitor to the 1200GS, as you point out. The 800GS is probably closer to the AT, and most people would clearly know if they wanted an 800 or 1200GS based on their intended use, which also applies to the comparison here.
GS's are expensive without a doubt, but it also depends which model, spec and accessories are included with the GS. The GS Rallye with the sports Suspension (20mm higher, different spring rates) that makes it similar to the Adventure model is much more "dirt worthy" than the stock model and I believe would be capable of things off road that the Africa Twin may not be able to do. But there's no doubt that for riding solo, the AT at its price point is a fantastic choice. Ultimately, I believe the BMW can be better all round with enough extras added from the BMW catalog, like a better seat for starters, but then you are in a completely different price bracket which means they are not true competitors when one costs twice as much as the non DCT version of the other. You truly do pay your money and make your choice.
As well as being entertaining and informative, this is really well shot and paced. You guys are stars.
I love my AT & I would say your review and comparison was accurate and honest. Thank u guys great vid!
Good work and very nice video, guys, thank you a lot! I like this bikes both, but i was driving only GS1200. Amazing motorbike! Now i want to try the Africa Twin! :) Hi from Belarus! ;)
This channel produces great videos!!! Keep them coming!! Thank you.
Thank you for a very well done video. I just love the concept of a motorcycle video that shows actual motorcycles. So many just show a talking head with a wall in the background. This video is a true work of art. Stunning, beautiful and informative. I hope other TH-cam videographers watch and learn from this one!
Thank you so much for the feedback.
Well done: tremendous video, great bikes, wonderful landscape, fine explanations!
Thank you so much!
We love the R1200GS, too. We already made lots of accessory parts for it. Let us know if you want to test some!? ;-)
Great vid guys!!! Glad it's in English, too. You just earned yourself a subscriber!
"A billion star hotel". You got that right, brother. Beautiful!
As expected. With the 21" front wheel the Honda is going to have an advantage off road. No clear winner. For me I'd go with the GS as I like a sporty ride and gravel roads are as far as I'd push it. For demanding off road work I use my Husqvarna 701 as my weapon of choice.
I alwasy love your reviews! Great filming, and fun reviews! I hope to travel to Europe to ride like this one day! Keep it up, your'e quickly becoming one of my favorite channels! I just bought a new FJ 09, but am pretty sure my next bike will be a GS in a couple of years!
Good review. As you say, if it's a highly-featured asphalt performer you are looking for and you have the money, you're a GS man but if you want something simpler, lighter and more affordable with superior offroad capabilities, the Africa Twin is it. The manual version is lighter and even more affordable btw.
I just bought an Africa twin
Great info and video guys
Thanks from Toronto Canada
Cheers
Thank you, Richard. Have fun with your new bike!
*Love that Honda!*
shit? that's why they sell the same amount of GS then the other producers together? :)
Buy Africa and you will be amazed by amount of problems you get with it.
Like what ?
Calm down everyone, they are both great. There is no loser here. Where I live, the BMW is $10,000 dollars more than the Honda. It is not $10,000 better, but if you can afford it go for it!
szeriman13 Depends where you live. They sell more Africa Twins in Australia than BMW's. 2018 now and it's shifting. GS850 is hugely overpriced. The Charlie and Ewen influence is wearing off...
We are talking about adventure bikes, right! So this means to me, 80% off-road and 20% onroad! So with this in mind, why would you choose the BMW, because it is better in tight mountainous roads and feels more stable, when most of your riding will be Enduro, off the pavement! Adventure right? Buy a sports bike if you want to ride fast in tight corners! Sorry, for the money, the Africa Twin wins hands down in the "adventure" environment! BTW, the BMW suffers badly from poorly built front forks (Stanchion separation) when pushed off road! Common fault I hear!
The term "Adventure" does not mean offroad, people have adventures on foot, in cars, trains, etc.....life is an adventure.
But, this video is about bikes.
sredju ahhh what gave you that idea?? Lol 😂 OMG!!!
I answered to MrKdr500 post.
sredju ahh sorry bro! 👍🏽😀
I love the Africa twin. I think the gs is probably a better bike, but in Ireland an africa twin is 14500 and a gs adv is 24000. The gs is better but not almost 9000 better.
Also, great video. Good job!!
nope, gs is not a better bike, it has lots of bad problems. when you need to replace the clutch on the gs, you know that a bad design it is
Not if it's the liquid cooled engine the clutch is a wet clutch on the front of the motor and accessible. The old design with the dry clutch and separate transmission was another deal if the clutch went. The GS is far from plagued with problems.
Fiveo waf was just about to explain the same thing. Primary reason for the engine re design.
@@fiveowaf454 so gs is very reliable.
I've made the same roads that you did with V-Strom 650 (two editions). Over half year ago after some test rides on several different motorbikes (including BMW GS 1200, V-Strom 1000, KTM 1190, Triumph Tiger 800 XCx) I decided to buy new Africa Twin. After 10.000 km I can say it was good choice. Now I can say that for this moment the only think I am sometimes thinking about is new Africa Twin with DCT. DCT is great.
You guys are great! Finally picking up a new crf1000l2 tommorow. Your videos helped a lot!
So you guys come of out of nowhere and make the best bike comparison and touring video I have ever seen. Amazing. And I sure hope that the Montenegro tourist board is paying you a decent fee.
You guys, the videos are awesome! Getting better and better! I actually testdrove the GS and AT (dct) last week and bought the gs rallye because of the electronic fidgets and performance in the twisties, waiting for delivery now:) so really cool to see this video ,keep up the good work
We're really glad you liked it. And wow, you must be so excited for your new ride! Have fun with that GS!
Bro how was your experience on gs. Pls explain
M from india..
Have a plan to buy a bike.
Gs/ twin/ tiger 1200
Great video gentlemen! Your comparisons of both bikes are very real-world! I think your summary is very good, as each bike offers different appeal. I'm personally a GS guy, but the Honda is a wonderful bike that impresses with it's feeling of lightness and handling off-road. Thank you for your professional overview!
The two of you are polite and charming. Great video project! It was worth the effort. Please do more long ride reviews like this. It's the purest way to review and compare bikes.
Good honest review, I am fortunate to have both, very different bikes indeed however the GS is my choice as a super tourer. Although BMW have had some issues the AT build is rubbish for a Honda, flaking and poor engine finish, soft headed screws and bolts that hark back to the 70's that we all changed for Allen cap heads, crap cheap plating on brake and gear levers etc etc, just not good enough to survive even one English winter. So there you have it Mr Honda, my gripe, for an off road biased bike the finish is dreadful.
On the plus side the AT is one of the easiest bikes around to ride, it's almost viceless. perfect for easy trails, commuting because it's narrow, and my choice if I was going to explore third world countries, however If I was loading the panniers, taking the Mrs and going to the south of France for a holiday, then the GS no question.
2 adventure bikes poles apart.
That about sums up the key differences and the fact you own both further illustrates they are two quite different machines, not really competitors for most who would consider them.
Awesome, great comparison. I’m interested in a new comparison between the Africa Twin 2020 with all the electronics vs The GS.
2020 also has cruise control and tuneless tires!
Wait! I think GS looks much better than the Africa twin, just my opinion! great video btw, keep up the good work boss.
The GS has always been the most beautiful bike to me. I’ve just ordered the AT in the tri colour and I think it’s much prettier than the GS. I also really dislike the GS1250 and the new AT is even prettier, so the gap has become wider
Nice review and I am happy that it is in Europe with Europeans. Nice storyline, edit and shots. I recognise a lot from during my motorbike VLOG. Keep up the good work!
Va salut din Belgia (da un Belgian care a invatat limba Romana) :)
rating these sorts of bikes for off-road capability is a waste of time. 99.9% of owners are NEVER going to do any serious "enduro" riding. A gravel driveway is probably the most off roading they will ever encounter. I have a 92 R/100/GS that I bought used and have put 100,000 miles on now, it had 32,000 when I bought it. I like off road riding, but would never dream of taking that heavy pig. What it's great at is carving up canyon roads. I am always amazed at how easily it handles, it's just a natural. I have 4 other newer BMW bikes, and it's still my favorite bike. Great vid guys, I love the mountains. I envy people that live in Europe.
If I had to choose one to do a world ride, I would take the Africa Twin. More dealer network, Honda dependability, and more capable off-road and they said it the,selves, it is less likely to break down. It won’t let you down, it is cheaper to run and accessorize, and when you are in the middle of no where would you want a motorcycle that is extremely capable off-road, lighter, has good touring ability, or a touring machine focused on road touring and some off-road capability?
Als one advantage; when you buy an AT you can find your bike again when you have stopped at a diner... if you have a GS you have to search for your own bike between all the other not original GS-riders... 😂
Honda is not reliable as on might think is my experience
Great video guys! I love the DCT - I tried it once at a cross tourer. Just perfect!
Keep up the good work!
Very good video. Good job by the camera crew and the hosts!
Guys, your reviews are perfect and are the best on TH-cam. They are very accurate and honest! Cheers from Brazil!!!
Super professional review! Congratulations from Brazil!
I always like to hear your opinions on bikes. With these two bikes I can see why it is difficult to choose. The Honda probably needs a couple of years to smooth out the suspension & traction control. BMW has been around longer so they have those things worked out. I like both bikes, but I would prefer something around 700cc for less weight.
Most beautiful and comprehensive review about these bikes.. love you guys😘
Excellent Review. I've never thought that I would hear a fellow adventure rider say that they enjoy lubricating the chain. I currently ride a 2011 Triumph Tiger 800xc with the Givi Trekker Outback cases. Its an excellent all around bike, BUT, since taking a 3-day, 850mile trip with a 140 lb. passenger and 100 lb.+ of gear, I've made several conclusions. 1) I prefer riding solo. 2) Riding two-up off road is very challenging. These conclusions have led me to believe that the best adventure bike for me is actually two bikes; one for two-up riding and one for solo. One thing, I am certain of is that I want a more street oriented bike for two up riding. I found the triumph 800xc suspension insufficient for great two-up riding. Its doable, but not great (even after adjustment). Having a more road oriented adventure bike, like the 1200GS, with a stiffer suspension and more adjustability would be excellent for two-up adventure touring. Next, I would like to have a lighter dual sport bike for solo riding. The 800xc is great but a think its a bit heavy for serious off road riding. I think I would prefer something like the KTM 690 Enduro R or a modified KLR 650, but I have yet to prove this point as I've not done an extended solo adventure ride. Perhaps, now that I'm more comfortable with the bike, the weight would be less noticeable? I know that it seamed a bit too heavy when I first got the bike and took it off road.... Anyhow thats my two cents. You guys did a great job with this review and I am glad that you guys discussed the major differences. You guys have earned a subscriber.
the GS 1200 is an excellent running bike for 3 years, then the warranty expires and the GS begins to fall apart, at this point the GS becomes very very expensive to own!
Having had several GS's that is not my experience. The GS is solidly built (much more so than KTM, in my personal opinion. I can't speak of Honda).
They are very very expensive from the beginning. Still, GS offers better value for money all things considered. Also it depends how you use it and maintain it.
Fantastic review, and beautiful video . What"s clipped to the top of the African windshield? Does it help with wind buffeting?
You guys are very good, funny and your English is great considering its probably your second language. An excellent assessment again!
Very good reviews...great photography. Thanks for sharing that. I've really got to get back over to Europe...miss it so much!
Hi from Montenegro! Awesome job guys! Great video.
Bravo for the video and for the honest test. Greetings from Serbia.
Fair balanced and interesting review. I’d like both. Repair and maintenance costs should be a consideration because they can be quite high for BMW vs a Japanese bike.
Great production, nice presentation! Keep up the good work. Greedings from Greece.
yikes, buckle those helmet straps at 1:35.............nice vid.
can't more agree than that.... @@'
Jeremy Sybrant maybe he only likes wearing it when on the bike.
First thing I noticed... :O
Jeremy Sybrant also freaked me out right away
Yeah I noticed too.....
Excellent video - great sound and editing, good balance between the ride and the space you ride in. great job.
I've spent 24000 km on a DCT Africa Twin. The default traction control sucks
, it intervenes way too much and too harshly. Use setting 2 or 1 if you like using TC. I usually turn mine off, but then I"ve been riding for 20+ years...
Also, when describing the BMW as high tech and the AT as simple at the end, you forgot one important feature. The Africa Twin has the best and most high tech motorcycle transmission available -- the DCT! It's a game changer.
yayoi1 I agree with you about the traction control being too intrusive. I feel mode 2 and 3 are much the same and usually leave mine in mode 1 or turn it off. The difference between mode 1 and 2 is too much. Other than that, I have love my africa twin.
Beemers have become too unreliable for the GS to be worth considering. The Honda is the better choice, and when you consider the price, Honda reliability, and the better comfort, it's the only choice.
I would also prefer Honda over BMW for the reasons you mention. BUT here in germany I get the feeling 1 of 3 Bikes is the GS. Finally I am a Nakedbike fan, so the look of a bike means the most to me... and even as a Honda fanboy I have to admit the GS looks cooler to me then the Africa Twin. FGreat Review BTW
I'm sure you have any reliable sources for your statement regarding reliability? I rode 32.000 km on my current GSA in less than 2 years. No problems at all. Before that, I had the standard lc-GS (got stolen). Rode it for around 25.000 km in the same time. No problems. My father, my brother-in-law and his father, all ride GS, too. Zero problems for houndreds of thousands of kilometres combined. And we're using them for what they were build for: Travelling on all sorts of roads, no commuting. I really can't see any reliability-issues with the GS.
Regarding the price-difference: The GS offers around 30% more HP and torque. It's just one class above the AfricaTwin. The matching opponent for the AfricaTwin would be the F800GS (which is around 1.000€ cheaper than the AT). However, the 1200 GS is only around 3.000€ more than the AT. Nobody forces you to buy all the options for the GS, but you CAN buy them. On the AfricaTwin, you can't. Even if you want to.
FLOB32 My own GS sheared the transmission output shaft with just under 50k km when the rearmost bearing seized. Check up one transmission rebuild with the bike just out of warranty. At least it shifted better after the rebuild. Before that, the speedometer packed up at 15k kms. Even sooner than that, one of the headers had to be replaced when the chrome started peeling off literally from new. Other than that, it was perfectly reliable.... Every year one of the French magazines publishes a special issue evaluating motorcycles from a consumer perspective and for the past few years the GS, as well as several other Beemers, has made the list of risky purchases. There was also Consumer Reports' list of most reliable motorcycle brands, in which Break My Wallet (couldn't resist) finished 9th, or second last, with a 40% failure rate. Hey, look at the bright side: 60% of them are trouble free !
FLOB32 The amazing thing is how BMW owners can tell me with a straight face that it wasn't so bad, I only had two problems (three, actually) in 50000kms. Never mind that one of them was a freaking blown transmission ! This is something I've observed with BMW owners, they love their bikes and are willing to overlook some pretty major issues. Kind of like Harley-Davidson owners, but at least Harleys are well-made and reliable. As for your list of problems with Hondas and Yamahas, should we, perhaps, discuss the fried electronics on K1600s ? or perhaps the handlebar switches that overheat and stop functioning if that same bike is parked in the hot sun for too long ? I can guarantee that this does not happen with Gold Wings or Electra Glides. But, you're right of course, every manufacturer has its share of issues, it's just that BMW has more than anyone else except BRP.
FLOB32
Half an hour after posting a reply to your reply, I read that BMW is recalling the RnineT because of loose swingarm pivot bolts. So far this year they have had to recall every version of the R1200GS, the C-scooters, and the R1200RT Police bikes.
Excellent review and beautiful country! And your English is very good, too.
Thank you guys for your honest opinion. I my self currently have a Kawasaki KLR 650 but I need more power so I am looking to purchase an Africa Twin. This review solidifies my decision. Thank you.
You were in my country-Montenegro. Too bad I saw this video late.
Thank you for this lovely video captions!!
Guys you are great!
Excellent video fellas. Amazing scenery!
Nice ride nice comparison of beast bikes.Cant wait to have my GS1250
Habib Le Franco enjoy your new ride lucky you
Montenegro is the very beautiful cantry. Thanks for everyting
I tried to buy the Africa Twin when they came out but Honda were such a pain in the ass and kept saying, next month, next month etc. I then rode the GS and instantly ordered one - it came three days later and four years on I wouldn't swap it. Be realistic about going off road - most don't. I've never taken my GS further than a rough fire road and it is soooo good on the road. If you really do go off road then an 800 GS, Africa Twin or KTM adventure. Great video guys and I will try and get to Montenegro next year.
Great video guys! Definitely the Africa Twin for me. It's an all-rounder bike and with regular maintenance, it will last forever. It's a no brainer. 👍
It’s not a no-brained. My 2019 AS is the only bike I’ve ever owned that had bad engine problems right out of the gate. After months in the shop, it still knocks really bad. It’s only at 10k miles now, and she’s going up for sale. It’s slow, it knocks, it’s uncomfortable, and did I mention slow? ….and I will never buy another bike with a chain, there is no point when there are superior drive systems out there.
Oh yeah, and it’s not a lemon. If you read through the forums, you will find out that a lot of them have bad engine knock, which results ultimately in catastrophic failure. Most expensive bike on the adventure bike market to maintain, and ultimately, nobody has found a final solution. Bad design. They say it was fixed with the 1100 redesign. I for one won’t find out, I cannot risk big money on unreliability.
wow! makes me wanna ride around Montenegro soon. nice review also!
The only thing that Honda lacks is a cruise control and the africa twin more comfortabel than a GS!? I think not i have put 11k on nu AT and i have an airhawk strapped to my seat and for long distances a wheeler pants under my motojeans. And as for reliability, 2 starter switches failed, 1 throttlebody a new ECU and new throttle assembly. Glad I have warranty till next year. After that i get back to beemers.
Great video... I really like the personal takes on the bikes and the production style. You guys are so lucky to be able to ride on such beautiful places. I hope someday I'll be able to ride in a similar adventure. These kinds of videos inspire me more. Keep it up!!!
Thank you for the feedback, Carlo. As for the inspiration, well, that's exactly what we're trying to do here, so start planning your trip! ;)
Awsome vid fantastic watch , I've the AT and love it but yes suspension soft if going off-road then work is needed as I've found out and nearly lost it big time didn't like big hits , but touring it's lovely bike I've done 4 k in 15 months and I work away from home so every time home it's out 👍thanks guys
Steven
Top quality vids. Fantastic people. And, ambassadors for motor cycling in these lesser travelled countries. Can I ship my bike from the states and visit? Keep up the good works!!
Great review, thanks! Loved the drone work and your in-depth impressions of both.
Thanks.
The Honda is the most expensive to own !
When I came to sell my AT , it was hard to sell !
I’ve never had trouble selling a GS
Seriously a very good test, nice production and very well comment from both of you. Keep up doing this great Video. And what wonderful countries. Greetings from Germany.
Hey guys! Good job with your review. My friend is going to but new africa and this video also helped him to make a right decision. Thanks a lot and looking forward for new video 😉
Great job, guys. A very inspiring video shot in great locations! Thanks...
I’ve just been through all the comments and here is my opinion.
Gs is sold the most, that is because most people buying them are over 50’s.
1. They are mainly the people who can afford them
2. They require the comfort
3. They use them for touring as they have the time.
4. They are buying them new and this have the warranty and couldn’t be bothered with the u reliability, especially now that they have 5 year warranty in South Africa.
I think that the 2014+ GS was the most beautiful bike ever, I really think they ruined the 1250, BUT I just bought a African Twin DCT and think that it’s the most beautiful bike in the tri colour.
I want to do off road even though I am inexperienced and thus think that it’s the best match.
I think people make too much of a thing about what’s the best and don’t enjoy the point of being on a motorcycle and having the wind hit you in the face
Love the Africa.
Great video, unfortunately here in Brazil these bikes are very expensive, Africa Twin in Brazil has a price similar the GS1200. In Brazil doesn't have the DCT version. I visited the Europe last year, in total 10 countries, Europe is beautiful. Congratulations.
You are two wild and crazy guys!!
Sounds like the Africa Twin is the bike if you'll be going on shorter legs per day, more offroading. The GS is the better bike for longer days in the saddle and on pavement yet will still handle dirt roads. I agree with this, and that's why I bought a GSA. The cruise control was a major reason, as was the lower saddle. I spend 80% or more on the pavement. The GSA is the perfect long distance bike for most reasonable conditions... but I wouldn't take either on something like the Road of Bones.
Great camera work and editing!
Great video. How can one find these routes, specially the off road bits?
Nice video, nice bikes, nice quality footage overall, and the landscape...amazing. Greetings from Galicia, Spain.
Hello From FRANCE with ADV 990S. Great video because finally a real true comparative test done! MERCI
great job! It was nice to come back to these places virtually. see you on the road. Greetings from Poland !
Africa Twin. Mine is 2020 all matte black! Keep on riding.
Outstanding video!! You guys did a great job with the bike comparison and the road trip was through some awesome country!!
Excellent review -- very informative and well balanced, with lots of good tech details but also nice subjective discussions too! Beautiful scenery too. Thanks!
What year were they? The 2018 Africa Twin has an all new suspension.....Honda is listening to you!
Also, great video!
Yeah. It's 2017. We shot the video last summer. Unfortunately, they skipped the cruise control part.
Nice video.. exactly what im looking for.. just a quick qn. after a long ride.. which one the best for comfort for normal road?
Top Review Guys, Like your style!
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I think, from those 2 bikes, I would choose....Honda Varadero! :) Nice video guys!
I test drove the Africa twin today in Glasgow manual and dct loved them both but would have to be the dct. I wouldn’t have a gs for the same reason I wouldn’t have an Audi or bmw! It seems like the only bikes you see these days. Maybe they are great but am not following the herd.
Yi hardly ever see a Africa twin on the road. 😍
Great video guys !! Greetings from Croatia! :)
Fantastic video !!! Keep going guys !
great review guys. what a wonderful and beautiful place. keep up the good work. best of luck from scotland.
Thank you! Hope to visit your country soon. We heard that you have some fabulous scenery over there.