Low Volume Champion!! Triangle Comete 40th Review!
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Triangle Comete 40th Anniversary: trianglehifi.u...
Test Equipment:
Preamp & Power Amplifiers:
Kinki Studio EX-P7: www.kinki-stud...
Kinki Studio EX-B7 mono blocks: www.kinki-stud...
Hegel H190: www.hegel.com/...
Emotiva TA2: emotiva.com/pr...
Heaven 11 Billie Amp Gold Tubes: heaven11audio....
Source: Bluesound Node 2i or Cambridge MXN10 Streamer
www.cambridgea...
(all music is hi-res streamed from Tidal)
DAC: Denafrips Ares II or Ares 12th-1
www.vinshineau...
Speaker & Power Cables: Maze Audio Ref4
www.mazeaudio.c...
(rest in peace Kent)
Interconnect Cables:
Analysis Plus Oval One RCA
Oyaide Tunami Terzo XX V2 XLR
analysis.plus/...
Your results may vary based on your ears, room, and associated equipment.
I bought the Comete 40th(blonde sycamore) anniversary about two years ago, I pair them with a Naim uniti atom and a SVS Sub, and I must say I am in Love with these Speakers, even my Wife likes them, both sound and looks. (the finish is just perfekt, very beautiful speakers, integrated nicely in our livingroom) I think you describe the sound very acurate, romantik, sweet sounding, very smooth sounding, what i Really love about them is the midrage, just sounds so natural, and the best Part is they Sound very good at low Volume. The tweeter is also amazing, when I got them I could not believe I am listening to a horn loaded speaker . They work perfekt with the Naim uniti atom, very easy to drive! Thank you for you rewiew, Greetings from Austria
Your review is spot on as always. 👍👍
I totally agree with the importance of speaker's aesthetics, especially when you pay over 2K.
After many years of hi-fi experience, If I had to give only one advice of getting the right speaker:
If you cannot hear them in your room, get the one that shuits your taste at highs and mids. And if your room is not aqoustically treated, the placement will not be far enough from the back wall, or under 25-30 sqm, go for cleaner quicker and tighter bass. It is much more safe to look for more quantity IF NEEDED afterwards with a nice sub that you can put it somewhere that suits aqoustically best your place.
i agree with your comment. nice mids and highs are not very adjustable. people tend to want everything in one at a budget price but that isnt possible. better to focus on the midrange and the add the bass later on.
Ive always loved the look of these.
I have them powered by Marantz PM-14SE and source SA-14SE. I am very happy with the combo. Triangle and Marantz is good match.
Goes synergistically excellent with ARCAM amps,, 💖🥰💖
Thank you kindly NEMO,, 🌟🙏🌟
thank you for sharing!
@@NemoPropaganda 💖
An absolutely beautiful finish b! Outstanding looks. But one I would definitely want to demo as the midrange from your description sounds a bit lean. Many thanks for everything you do.
The midrange is open and clear, tonality is fantastic, especially with drums. I wouldn't call it lean, but those characteristics seem to dictate that it won't be overly warm or fat either. Partnering equipment can change these radically. I used a budget integrated and it was good. Tubes and it was blissful. Big solid state and it was extended and bold. They're quite fantastic (to me). The Magellan Duetto are taking main stage now. They are quite different and also fantastic.
You are 100% correct in your interpretation of the review. Yes the midrange can be lean somewhat like Focal speakers but the Triangle midrange is more natural sounding than Focal. The ligh bass further gives the impression of a leaner midrange that is more clarity focused and expansive.
Hey nemo figured id let you know im still above ground you keep on keeping on my friend i enjoy your content. Best wishes to you bubba.
hey what's up man! I appreciate you checking in!
Run these on KT88 tube integrated and the midrange is so open and fast. Love these speakers!!!
Very nice review! Thanks for sharing.
The Philharmonic BMR is the first bookshelf speaker i have heard that didn’t need a sub…it’s huge though
Beautiful speakers I’d probably go kef r3 meta in indigo blue over them but still fantastic
Buchardt p300 in tangerine? 🤩
I have the Comete EZ and think they are great. I’ve been tempted to upgrade to the 40th, but am not sure it’ll be a significant upgrade for the price Delta.
I run mine with dual RSL Speedwoofer 10s from my Kinki EX-M1+, but prefer them with my Willsenton R8.
I have them both. It's a BIG upgrade. I also now have Magellan Duetto and thinking of 40th anniversary in that version, simply because the 40th Comete were such a large improvement
@@erics.4113 I’m still exploring different speaker brands , but will probably come back around the o Triangle at some point. The Duetto would probably be end game for me.
@@mindhead1 what brands? Duetto could be end game for me as well. I love my 40th Comete but since the Duetto showed up I haven't had the 40th back on the stands..they are fantastic at separation, and the bass is floor stander level..I am going to try sub integration, but fear it will be difficult. The Comete 40th are built for subs
@@erics.4113 I currently looking at the Klipsch Forte IV and something from Zu Audio. I have a Decware amp on order and need some high sensitivity speakers to use with it.
I’ve been creeping up the price ladder over the past 5 years and my setup sounds really good right now now, but I’m still curious. In addition to the Comete I have a set of Buchardt s400 mkII which are fantastic.
Handsome. They look like old vintage Infinity speakers.
Beauty, for sure. I'd love to demo them. Thanks for another solid review. Off topic...Has Sean, a.k.a. Nemo been kidnapped again? Has he fallen and can't get up? Did he lock his keys in the house? Or maybe joined the French Foreign Legion? Should I call the F.B.I.? Inquiring minds are curious about Uncle Sean. Thanks!
you gotta ask him lol, I know he's still demoing gear, I think he can make a vid if he really wanted to but I think he doesn't really want to right now.
It's a great looking speaker. It's 1500€ here in Europe.
Will you also review the Wharfedale AURA 2 and the ELYSIAN 2?
maybe in the future.
@@NemoPropaganda Something to note: The AURA 2 with a REL T/9x has the same price and frequency response (27Hz -6dB 3570€) as the ELYSIAN 2 (28Hz -6dB 3750€), which one would you pick if you had to?
@@dragonstone6594 I havn't heard either of those speakers but I'd always rather to have subwoofers. 30hz out of a speaker isn't the same as 30hz from a good subwoofer unless the speaker is absolutely massive which most people don't have space or budget for.
I was about to make a silly comment along the lines of those speakers being "so sexy I would believe any sexual harassment accusations they made against anyone"... but then at the end you mentioned people in the comment section asking about advice without mentioning budget. I actually believe that, as frustrating as that might be for you to deal with, it's still for the best.
I have come to the conclusion that people generally underestimate the level of fulfillment that can be achieved from listening to music (or movies) through above average (or damn near prefect) sounding music systems.(my PSB speakers are above average and my headphones are damn near perfect lol). That goes equally for those who are genuinely into this hobby as well as those who (think they) are not.
I am so entrenched in this belief, I will make a bold and downright crazy claim right now and bet my life on it that I'm 100% right. I believe that it is FAR more rewarding, and even more financially responsible in the long term, to finance a loan up to around $15K maybe even up to $20K to spec out and build a music system that is well above your budget range, basing your purchase decision strictly on the sonic quality of the components you select by the process of elimination as you audition them in person, instead of trying to constrain yourself to your available budget at the time.
I intend to go as far outside my budget as necessary for my next system build. As soon as the opportunity presents itself for me to travel so I can audition all (or as many as possible) of the components that peaked my curiosity from all the 100's reviews I've watched so far.... whatever that build costs that's what I'm getting.
I agree with the statement overall, fiscally speaking. I went around the block buying up every $500-$700ish bookshelf and realized you're trading in different sonic traits, not so much pushing the performance or refinement envelope. And then I did the incremental amp upgrades. The $1000 to the $1500 amp again, mostly different, not really pushing the needle too far. I don't regret my journey because it helped inform what characteristics I valued the most. Now system sits around $30k, upgraded over time, and my curiosity for the budget gear has mostly been satisfied. You often get what you pay for, and I highly encourage everyone to stretch as far as possible because the truly good equipment will always retain decent value, and the sound quality gains are very real at thresholds beyond the budget categories. That's not to say there aren't absolute bargains, but generally speaking the good stuff commands $
i dunno about financing but I think at minimum saving up for better amplification is a very good idea, I continue to feel that is the foundation of the entire system.
@@NemoPropaganda well in a perfect world yes saving up would be ideal but in reality most people (read "me specifically" lmao) will rarely have the discipline to save and not touch that money for long enough to achieve that goal.
Also depending on how slowly your saving process goes, one or more of the components you had your heart set on may go out of stock for an extended period of time or be discontinued entirely. That has happened to me before when I was attempting to be "frugal" regarding a purchase that I could have just sacrificed a little and bought the item outright instead of saving up and budgeting, and it feels like a sucker punch to the nuts lol.
Last issue is that if you're lucky enough to have the item remain in stock until you've saved up the money it's possible that the price increased over time. For example the PSB imagine mini speakers that you so graciously tipped me off to have not only been discontinued but right now if you have to get a pair of those brand new they range between 500 to 700 on fleebay. That may not be a perfect example as they were already discontinued when you reviewed them but It seems to be a trend with a lot of quality products. You either end up paying a significantly higher price as time passes or the item is discontinued (or worse it's replaced with a crappier version)
@@NemoPropaganda Nemo, having said that , can you share which 3 amps are your favorites from first to third place? And if you consider one of those a "game over" amp?
@@zombielandiii2711 mmm, I don't really think in terms of favorites when it comes to amps, while I do review them from time to time I don't have a crazy amount of data points like I do with speakers & subs but I really loved the two Pathos amps I reviewed, the CHoco was a big stand out, and I love my own amps of course (kinki pre & monos).
Triangle is a very good French brand like a Focal. For my father's 60th birthday, I bought Triangle Borea BR03 Connect active speakers for 500 euros and was slightly shocked when I heard them. I seriously wondered if my system is really as good value as I thought, (Focal Aria 906 with original stands for 800 euros, 50 euros for speaker cables, 1300 euros (slightly used) for one of the best and most suitable amplifiers for this price - YBA Heritage A200 and Primare Prisma NP5 MARK II streamer for 350 euros (new), MSRP about 600 euros, this Triangle sounds 85 - 90% like my setup for a few thousand euros, and the price is ridiculous... Now I'm seriously considering whether a passive system is really worth it, when active ones now sound ridiculously good for their price.
which active speakers ?
How does it compare with the zu dwx n fritz carbon 7? Specifically Soundstage and imaging.
Fritz and Zu will stage larger and have more bass overall.
@@NemoPropaganda thanks bro stay healthy! 🙏
Hello Nemo, two questions if i may. Im looking for speakers at around 1500-2000 usd pair to upgrade my Heco Aurora because i think it has the type of sound that Im going to settle down for a while if not definitely. Im looking for that sound, but better.
The other question is where did you find the image displaying on your TV? I have to pause the video only to ask you that. It looks amazing 😍
it's a lofi video: th-cam.com/users/liveMZhivjxcF-M?si=aJaW5mN2_YhQNUe1 as far as an upgrade from the Celan Rev3... hmmm, that's a tough one, it has a bit of a unique sound with it's brighter treble yet warm midrange & strong bass, that's a somewhat uncommon sound signature. The KEF R3 Meta is close but not bright up top, maybe try to audition that. I would consider the R3 Meta a pretty good upgrade overall as long as you have the amplificaiton to show it off. If you're using inexpensive amps like under iotavx sa3 or emotiva ta1 it might make more sense to just enjoy what you got and maybe save for an amp upgrade instead.
@@NemoPropaganda Nemoooo I asked about Heco Aurora upgrade, not Heco Revolution 😊 😁
But I will have that recommendation of yours as well. Also thanks for share the Lofi video, I like it so much.
@@zombielandiii2711 oh sorry bro, that's an easy one! CSS Criton 1TD is literally the same sound but better overall albeit harder to drive. Buchardt S400 MK2 is another option also!
Great review! Any comparisons to the Heco Celan 3? I'm in the market for a general upgrade but not sure what direction to go.
not really, they're too different. If you like the Celan Rev3 and want an upgrade consider the R3 Meta.
I was debating to get these but I didn't because I had the bro8s. They felt tilted in the bass and treble. Felt these would be more refined but that signature sound would remain.
these are a lot more refined than the BR03, similar sound from midrange and up but the BR03 had more bass in my room. Seems Triangle opted to lighten up the bass in the 40th to make the midrange more expansive.
@@NemoPropaganda that makes sense, customers are most likely looking at refinement at the slightly higher levels. Triangle is always good value in the UK. These are 1500 quid over here.
How would you say are these for home theatre use? They seem to be great for music listening especially low volume, but how is it for movie watching, especially upwards of 90dbs?
simple answer, no. The Comete 40th is a low volume champion and I think sounds best at lower volumes. I don't think it was designed to be a party speaker or be played too loud overall. Comete is a great intimate space speaker, I would not suggest it for mixed systems.
Some short demo clips would add a lot to the already great review
that is not the type of content I wish to create, thank you for the kind words.
Nah, you can't judge someone else's system by listening through your own system!
@@justadad2304 youre correct, but it gives you an idea of the sound character. you will hear if the speaker is brightly tuned for example.
hello nemo, what solid state amps would pair well with these speakers under 1k? am currently looking at the Marantz pm6007. cheers
I'm not familiar with Marantz, how about the new IotaVX amp?
@@NemoPropaganda would the emotiva basx ta2 be a good match? I have a ares 12-1 dac. Thank you
@@happosai-pl6pn I like the emotiva ta2 a lot especially with an ares dac. Emotiva sound is more detailed with a cool midrange so you will double down on the clarity, if that is the sound you are looking for then you will enjoy it. If you want something more tonally balanced with more warmth then you will not love that combination. Ares will add some warmth but perhaps not enough. I think TA2 Ares combo would be great for a speaker like the S400 MK2 and just okay for the Comete 40th.
Hi Nemo, this changing of sound sig from low to high volume is that kind of rare? I've probably at least watched half if not more of your reviews of speakers and I don't think I've ever heard you say that about speaker before how common is it? Thanks
a lot of speakers sound a little different from lower to higher volumes and open up more as you give them more volume, the Comete 40th was just a bigger change at volume.
How's it compared to the Fritz? :)
the fritz is in a different league with more expensive drivers, but looks basic
Nate nailed it, the Fritz is a little larger so its sense of scale is fuller and bigger, its instrument sepparation is top tier and its incredibly effortless and not picky with amps or recordings. A bit of a hidden gem IMO.
Great look but I have sworn off gloss finishes. I don't seem to be able to own them without picking up scuff marks that dont happen on other finishes. I just took a bath on a couple of great speakers but cut the price a lot due to handling marks.
I have high gloss speakers, if bought brand new, just don't touch them once set up and use a soft microfiber cloth to dust them. No polish, just use the microfiber cloth very gently to wipe off the dust. I find them quite easy to look after.
@@2HatHudders You are better organized and disciplined than I. That said, Im a habitual equipment changer and my listening room is in my garage.
@@fletchermunson6225 Ahh yes, if your changing or moving gear. It will be a problem for sure. Not to mention the garage will have hard surfaces all around !
@@2HatHudders Sound worse than it is. Finished out like a room and has sound deadening materials but I do experiment turning speakers upside down. I'm more careful now. heh.
@@fletchermunson6225 sound like you have a good man cave
How to these compare to the Zu DWX? (Granted it's a physically larger bookshelf..)
kinda similar in that both are open/airy presentations but the ZU is a little more balanced overall, has fuller and more bass, less picky of recordings or amplification, and is unstoppable at louder volumes compared to just about anything smaller. The Zu is an absolute hidden gem so long as the size is not a concern :)
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks. Do the Zu (and Triangle) still sound good off-axis?
@@fascinatedbyeverything I don't usually comment on that unless I notice something outside of the ordinary since that's fairly room dependant. I listen to both speakers the same way, mostly pointed staright in the room.
kef R Meta costs €700 more in Europe. Are these suitable for heavy music when connected to a subwoofer?
what do you mean by heavy music? I'm not sure I understand.
@@NemoPropaganda heavy metal, rock music 😄
@@supikoiraroy oh, mmm, no I don't think so. It will play metal but I think this speaker is best with higher end recordings and singer/songwriter genre.
What measures would you guys recommend to improve low volume listening on existing speakers connected to an AVR? Thanks
I have found a subwoofer will do wonders for low level listening.
as another commenter said quaity bass is a factor. I find myself listening at lower levels when my sub is on versus off. Outside of that amplification, speakers, and the room itself. Less echo/resonance in the room will make detail much easier to pickup on at any volume. Room treatment at the first reflection points is a great place to start.
What x-over on your subs did you find worked best with these?
since the speaker is light on bass i crossed over higher than usual right around 60-70hz depending on what sub I was using at the time.
Couls you give examples of speakers with a similar sound signature?
Focal Aria 906 or Mon Acoustic Super Mon Mini are a similar sound signature.
@@NemoPropaganda thank you
@10:26 you said the triangle evoke 20 😂. It’s cool though you’re allowed to make mistakes
Yeah I caught that too. Such is the case with the single take style. I usually just leave it when its minor.
How are they versus Aria 906?
Aria 906 is going to be more consistent with higher volumes and would be preferred for those who wish to push their speakers harder. The soundstage depth on the Aria 906 is poor compared to the Comete 40th so customers who will enjoy more low level listening and prefer a more immersive soundstage in terms of depth width & hight may prefer the Comete 40th. Aditionally neither speaker has strong bass but the Aria 906 does have more bass than the Comete 40th. If you already own the 906 I would not suggest the Comete 40th as an upgrade because while there are differences the two speakers are also very similar overall. Likewise I would not suggest the Comete 40th owner to the Aria 906. It's like Toyota Camry and Honda Accord, they're different but very similar cars.
@@NemoPropaganda thank you for the reply!
Try something more exotic: Klinger Favre D56.
I have not heard of that product, I'm not sure its available in the USA.
Opinions are divided on the sound of these. But damn don't they look good!
This is the case with every speaker. Different taste, different room.
yeah of course, it's a preference based product just like food my bro, that's the entire hobby!!
But, is it potentially high end fatiguing ?!?!
With the wrong amp at higher volumes that would be likely.
Sings with tubes
I have these and do not find the fatiguing at all. I found the BR03 super fatiguing however for what it’s worth.
Like any speaker that is more clarity focused and forward in the trebel absolutely yes. In the wrong room or with the wrong amp it can absolutely be too much for some listeners which is why I suggest pairing with smoother/warmer amps.
I agree, BR03 is less refined and at louder volumes can be too much but for its price its still very good.
Look a little small 😮
really? It's a pretty normal sized bookshelf speaker IMO. Small would be something like the Dynaudio EMIT 10 or Project Speaker Box 5. This is more like Buchardt S400 MK2 size :)
Special 40 🙃
that's another very beautiful speaker, a lot more money & very different sound.