Lincoln BUZZ BOX stick Welder restore
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I never knew dielectric grease doesn't conduct electricity, nor that Vasaline has the same properties. I learn something with every video- thanks man!!!
Vaseline does not conduit electricity, at least mine doesn't. I stuck multimeter probes in and got infinite resistance, so I use it as a dielectric grease for electrical harnesses and on my battery terminals.
Dielectric and silicone grease (same thing) form a barrier to resist moisture intrusion. The pressure between the metals in an electrical connection allow electricity to pass between them despite being covered with the grease. The connectors force the grease aside just at the point of contact. Many people don’t understand this concept.
@@Rein_Ciarfella Thanks for clarifying. Makes sense, as I was wondering how the electricity completed a circuit if the dielectric grease was nonconductive.
@@ProleDaddyYou can't trust a multimeter to test insulation because they use a low voltage. You need to use a insulation tester (megger) that uses high voltage (close to operating voltage) I like the idea of using vaseline as dielectric grease. I want to test it with our megger now.
As others mentioned I think the point the guy was making was that both Vaseline and Dielectric grease will both form a protective barrier around the contacts AND in that sense I’m assuming he meant they are no different cuz they are basically accomplishing the same thing.
Fundamentally Silicone Grease is VERY DIFFERENT from Vaseline(Petroleum Jelly) which is made from a blend of Mineral Oil and Waxes. Just clarifying cuz otherwise you’ll inevitably have a rash of people putting silicone grease on their chapped lips or substituting dielectric grease when the Vaseline runs out for their more adult activities(XXX) then pointing the finger when it doesn’t end well.
Your assistant welds better than I can!
bro I did the same three wheel deal on my battery charger and its a game changer who would ever think something so simple would really up grade your equipment thanks for sharing nicely done.
My Dad did something similar, but he used lawn tractor tires because we were on a farm and most often welding over rough ground
Love the content of this channel, repairing everything is the way I was brought up, plus not having a lot helps to repair
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Nice restoration, the 85 foot, no. 3 cord is worth a lot more than $100. My 225amp tombstone welder, that I bought in 1972, has sticky contacts. I'm going to put some Vaseline on the contacts, thanks for the information. Ginger always makes me smile,thanks. 8:49
Ginger is a great sport too allow me too mess with her like this. Question: does your 1972 have the yellow sticker on it like mine?
My 1972 225 amp tombstone does not have a yellow sticker on it.
I bot 5 off these in 1975 for 100$ each. Sold and or traded 4 kep 1 still have it. Have burnt hundreds if pounds of rods. Never had any issues. 😀
Nicely done, Moe. It looks and works like new. I've had a couple of them over the years. Great welders. Thanks for sharing
You do the coolest stuff. I doubt I will ever need or purchase a Lincoln Welder, but after watching your channel over the years, I want one. I will have to keep my eyes open at auctions.
How you fix things up is amazing. I’m always interested in what you’ll do next. Great channel.
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Thanks so much! I learn something every time I watch one of your videos. Have a great thanksgiving! I appreciate the information you keep sending our way. Love seeing Ginger too - She is one smart dog!
Same to you!
Great content. Always love seeing you restore a Lincoln tomb box because I have an old one I inherited that I want to restore.
I have one of those 180A tombstones. I had no idea it was that old. It is bulletproof. Nice restoration! I like the three wheeled cart!
Nice work, man. "Grinder and paint makes me the welder I ain't," is my level of expertise.
I acquired one of these from a friend who passed away, he was a welder for years and it still is in great condition
Thanks, Moe. I've watched your videos with quite a few of the Tombstone welders!
A perfect example of something so well designed it never needs to be changed for over half a century, Lincoln still makes them
Good job Moe! I could watch you restore a hundred of these things!
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I believe the contacts you refer to are tungsten which is brazed onto the the copper. This is done to minimize contact erosion due to high current loads.
Never a better stick welder made. I learned basic welding on my uncle's old round top Lincoln. Don't ask how long ago that was, doubt you were born yet!
Wow it looks brand new, great job! I love getting something an old timer modified.
i always learn something form your videos. The defrosting pipes part i had never heard of before, so cool.
I think I'm going to try it out this winter as an experiment.
Super nice job Moe. Another classic restored!
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I always learn something from your videos
Thanks for watching
What great score, and awesome resto job!
Thanks for showing details on the switches.
Glad you liked it!
You have one of my favorite channels!!
Grinder n paint make me the welder i ain't.... Love it. Great video
Lots of good stuff in this video but the one thing I have to comment on is your painting. I could hug you. Finally someone that knows how to use a can of spray paint. It makes my head wanna explode when I see people spraying with tiny short bursts while shaking the can the whole time. Drives me nuts.
The three wheeled cart looks like a great idea
Drives me crazy as well. I used to spray paint(lacquer and stain) at a wood shop. I want to try one of those mega turbo cans they released a few years ago that actually have a fan pattern. The only problem is they only come in White and Black.
A couple of things, I had no idea that my old tombstone was wound in aluminum, and second I had no idea that these were used to defrost iron pipes.
I'd like to try it out just to see.
"I had no idea that these were used to defrost iron pipes..." Can be used. C-A-N be used to thaw pipes but you'd better know what you're doing or you can set your house on fire. True story - back on Christmas Eve day 1983, the neighbor across the main road from the property that my parents owned had a pipe freeze so he set up his welder to attempt to thaw the pipe out. He apparently cranked up the power too far and ignited some materials in a cardboard box or two that were stacked up against the wall in the garage on the other side of the kitchen. While not that much of the actual house burned, the fire department ended up ripping down about half the sheetrock in the home to make sure the fire was out. The entire house was flooded with smoke & soot and there was a lot of water damage. What a way to ruin your Christmas, eh?!? While I wasn't there to witness the fiasco, my parents were... I got to see the place a few days later when I went over to check it out. The mom, dad and two kids got to spend a few days in a hotel before finding other lodging that ended up lasting for 1½ years. The one and only good thing that you might say came of the fire was that the owners decided to add onto the house during the rebuild which is why it took so long. Ultimately, it was obvious as to the cause - the welder. There was no hiding it. Here's the thing though... the real mistake IMHO was that the neighbor made the mistake of not protecting his pipes in the first place. To compound the problem, he then used a welder to attempt a thaw - without really knowing what he was doing. According to my father, he said that he just kept cranking up the juice because he wasn't getting immediate results and out of frustration decided to leave the welder on while he went into the house "to let it do its thing". In other words, it didn't cross his mind that something might get hot enough to start a fire... and fire did break out which he wasn't there to see. The first sign of trouble was smelling smoke while he was sitting warm in the house but by then it was too late. The flames had already spread up the wall into the attic through the unfinished studs. Fortunately, nobody was hurt but Christmas was decidedly shot. I remember two main things out of it all and the first is that your garden hose is useless as a firefighting apparatus when it's rolled up outside in the flower bed full of frozen water. Yes, neighbor guy went straight to it first thing. The other was something my father said which came from the firemen: every single year quite a number of people across America set their house on fire with welders or torches when they attempt to thaw out frozen pipes. The morals of the story are simple - if you're going to thaw a frozen pipe with a welder, you'd better make sure you know what you're doing. There's also a risk of ignition and fire... don't forget that fact. That's exactly why the fire department recommends to never use a welder to thaw your pipes. If you do? Proceed at your own risk. Here's a happy & safe Thanksgiving in advance to all.
- Max Giganteum
That looks fantastic! Very nice work.
You always do such solid work. None of the BS filling with bondo, hammer it out weld the cracks and paint it. Looks good as new.
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That was a fix that keeps the dump free of unnecessary waste and it looks good enough to keep. You have created a new welder in the process, and I am talking about Ginger, not the Buzz Box. ✨
Lol. Hey thanks
Never brought dielectric grease, always use Vaseline. My grandad was a telecom's engineer after the war and swore by it.
Wow, nice job. It looks new. Thanks for the video.
Thank you for sharing this! I see these at estate sales and think they are probably not worth messing with but now i know better 😎
6011, 7014, 7024 (flat only), 6013 and 7018-ac work good on these little buzz boxes. Regular 7018 is designed for reverse polarity DC and is very difficult (sticky) to use on AC machines. On the ships we used 6010 or 6011 5/32 for a first pass as it will burn through the rust and paint followed by a quick wire brush and then 1/8th 7018, two or three passes. They will weld at the same amperage. 6010 and 6011 have a better gas shield than 7018 and are better for a first pass on open root (gap) welding. They also work better in vertical down passes to build up some 'meat' in extremely corroded sections. - Bob the Welder.
Thanks, very informative on a rebuild. I enjoyed the learning opportunity. I'm a beginner on welding, I've welded with 70/24 sticks before.
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Beautiful work!
Cool find, amazing deal and you made that thing beautiful--well done!
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Holy moly, I didn’t know Ginger could weld 💁🏻♂️
Never heard of defrosting pipes.... very cool info !!
You answered my question, on what to use on the rotor stat contacts 👍🏻
That's the spitting image of the welder I inherited from my father. Not as much rust, same faded paint. Between his projects, the guys in the neighborhood and the Volunteer Fire Department, this thing burned rod probably 10 hours a month from 1961 or 2 until 2000. That came out really nice! Thanks for sharing.
Hey thanks. Awesome story
Even with short duty cycles these boxes worked well. I had the same box but it was AC/DC
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Bad insulation on hot lead could arc against work and cause damage,glad you covered y the damaged area .
Great work keeping It out of landfill or something. I recently got a similar buzz box, and started refurbishing it. My issue is Its got a giant swinging thing inside to change the capacity. Also I need a 50 amp outlet in my shop to try it out with. Hope mine works as good as yours. You gave me some good tips that will help me finish up.
Bravo!!!! Very well done.
Great video I have one just like that. My fan is running rough making noise probsbly needs a liitle oiling . This video gives me the urge to redo mine thanx a lot keep putting out these great videos you can't get a better friend then Ginger.
Very instructive, tidy job!!😊
Thanks.
I learned to weld on these. By far one of the biggest returns on investment of tools I've owned.
I welded a bunch of stuff with this same welder! Thin sheetmetal to 1/4" plate!
Just discovered your channel and like it. Real content is hard to find on TH-cam.
Glad you enjoy it!
Nicely done bud 👍
Nice project, job well done.
Thanks Man.
I looked for Ginger at the big dog show today but I guess she was finishing up some welding project😂..great video cb
Great find 👍
Very nice find👍
Hey thanks. It was a fun project.
Great video. You made it nice and pretty. Thanks for the information about Vaseline. That’s easier to find and cheaper to use.
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" are you paying attention"? love it!
well done did the same thing with Vaseline works great
Nice find!
Thanks!
I just got a 120 volt sefas stick welder but as far the one you got it is hard to find those tomb stone welding machines glad you are fixing this one up there sixty five Ford
I got one of these for sale in Zion Il.
I've had 3 or 4 of these welders, from brand new to "yard sale specials" my current one was $25 (maybe a Montgomery Wards? not here, it's at my shop).. I've never had to do anything to any of them, but after seeing you rebuild a few I just might give mine a quick overhaul, so it'll last another 75 years :)
I have an old Montgomery ward buzz box and after watching Moe do a tombstone I decided to give the buzz box a facelift. I didn’t have the right color of paint but it looks better than it did
Great video thank you
Nice work. Doggy digs all the crazy. :))
What a good job. thanks.
Nice job as always 👍
That's what i learned on was a lincoln 225AC. Not a Tombstone welder though Rounded top and straight sides from the 50's.
Sounds like a very old Lincoln welder.
Yes, technically not the iconic rounded Lincoln that coined the nick name Tombstone but the name still fits and is used heavily along with "Buzz Box" or "Cracker Box" that the original also took on. The amount of 180 and 225 versions like in the video that they made is staggering. They have to outnumber the original production numbers 100+ fold.
I can’t… I can’t breathe, I’m dyin ova heeya, that pup skit is killing me! Talk about needing a good laugh & challenge being accepted. That’s one smart pup, he kinda reminds me of my boys in their preteen introduction to stick welding, minus the tail of course. I can almost hear the faint echo of “you’re not doing it son!” But man did they have fun trying, you’d think they brought Frankenstein back to life with how proud they were over those not so stacked dimes lol. Great pay it forward tombstone welder, I think every kid should own one😉 Thanks for taking us along Mo and Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours brother.🦃
Hey thanks. It was an interesting 20 minutes trying to get the pup to do this.
Looks good with a fresh coat of paint
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Uncle was an iron worker and his boy was a par welder. They started logging and made everything with a Tombstone they got in the 60's. Metal handle I think., Used to have to dip the stinger in water to cool it off. Built up dozer grousers and built truck log frames and the Tombstone never flickered. YAAY for the paint shaker and Ginger is used to a TIG rig. Stick is foreign land to her.
Dip in water.. that's awesome. Necessity is the mother of invention.
That was when the grouser bars were being welded on the dozer pads. Made the old Tombstone almost a 100% duty cycle machine!@@sixtyfiveford
I have a 225S. I intend to build one of those three wheeled carts. Should help a lot. There is another compound you should use. When joining aluminum to copper we used an inhibitor compound. The stuff we used is named Penetrox. It prevents galvanic reaction from taking place when there is a joint between copper and aluminum. The reaction looks a lot like the corrosion that happens around your car battery terminals.
Thanks I'll look it up.
I sincerely hope you are doing well with this channel…….. I thoroughly enjoy it.
Glad you enjoy it!
Great grab really lays down a nice bead but I think we need to see Ginger's attempt before we decide who's the better welder 😁 The three wheels 👍
Great point!
Thank you for sharing 👍👍👍👍
Nice Job Moe ! 👍 It Looks Really Nice. Us Old Timers Know Vaseline Is Good For Electrical Stuff. We Used To Put Vaseline on The Battery Terminals of Cars. And Use It Even on Aurora Thunderjet Slot Cars In Place of Oil on the Gears Set ! Ginger the Best Dog on YT !
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Badass! Nice work
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The double wide wheels on the back of the cart may have been to take it out of the shop and into the yard on unfirm ground. The long cord to plug it in lends to that idea too
Good scores there
Nice work, love your channel. I have one that my dad bought new in 1971 (-012). Front plate is different, it doesn't have the rod selection table, neither does it have the caution sticker. Suspect yours is newer.
This is the first one I've ever had with the sticker. It may have been a California thing as I think the guy said he was from there.
Universal Electric made pipe thawers for Sears, for decades. Just a simple transformer, with as much money in welding cable, as we put into the transformer.
Contacts are usually silver or platinum coated. The World's largest crane, had contacts, submerged in dielectric transformer oil. Large bars of silver, cleaned them up, and wondered if I removed a few hundred dollars of silver? Once a jeweler brought in a bench grinder. Scraped a small baggie of gold and silver, off of it.
I needed this. Thanks! Ginger rulz!
Best welder ever
Great video.......Those cords are worth more than the welder....Thank you...
You got that right!
Great video
Thanks man
Great video…
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I believe those contacts are a silver alloy. We have them on our older high voltage switches.
Great watch
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Hey man, New to your videos. Very helpful. I acquired almost identical buzz box that you restored. The info and clean was very helpful and answered most of my questions. Thanks.
One question on 240 plugs. The old welder plug does not mate to modern plugs. Any suggestions ? Should I change out old plug or build a short extension to plug old to new. Yeah grinder and paint are my friends too.....
Those contact pads are probably nickel. Most contacts are nickel plated because they resist abrasion and last a long time. and it doesn’t corrode like straight copper you’ll see this nickel plating on battery, terminals and springs. On flashlights, and anything that takes batteries.
Great find and restoration! I like how you tried teaching your little buddy how to weld. No attention span…haha!
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I always found it to be easier to weld thin metal with thicker electrodes .if there is a hole i usually start with cleaning it to bare healthy metal and then i weld around it with tilted electrode at 40° to reduce penetration.and you slowly fill in the gap and grind the excess off.
Never had luck with small thin electrodes since even on low amps they still penetrate too deep.
Thanks for your insight. I generally only keep a stick welder around for super thick stuff but have guys ask on other video all the time about sheet metal. So I actually went out and bought some 1/16 6013 electrodes just for this video.
@@sixtyfiveford Try 1/16 7014. I always found that was the easiest to use on thin rusty sheet metal. Love the dawg.
As soon as I saw the damaged sheet metal, my brain snapped out "TIG weld!".
- Max Giganteum
@@MaxGiganteum TIG would be ideal, but a good hand with stick can also get the job done.
I agree. I use a thicker maybe 1/8 6013 rod to weld thin metal. Short weld and then maybe 2 second cool then short weld then another 2 second cooldown. Thicker rods lay down metal quicker. I do the same when repairing a hole.
The contacts are silver. They are also used in the contacts of breakers but a much smaller coating.
Great rebuild i bought mine in 1975 and put like 10 in old heavy duty lawnmower wheels and a swivel castor like yours it has handled every thing on the ranch since with no problems even turning it up high for cutting , i too have a bunch of old rods and they work fine also l have an older plug type like yours but only 3 of the holes have power to them . Do you sell them after. The rebuilds. thanks again
Generally they kick around my garage for a few months and I end up selling them. That gives me enough time to forget how many hours I spent on them and that I'll make less than minimum wage to do so.
Looking good I learnt a little about that electrical grease interesting.
Also the fact that they’re not all copper windings and and aluminium instead.
I always understand it to be copper.
Have you heard of Oxford Ark Welders built in the UK?I always understood that they were all copper windings. I wondered if you might know thanks.
John from the UK👍
The UK versions may be copper. I do recall the memo from Lincoln specifically stating their "USA versions" never had copper instead of saying "all".
they were good ole welders.i have used them.
Holy crap. I thought the one I got in the dumpster was a good deal. Mine didn't come with any of that extra rod. Well worth $100+
A free dumpster one is a score!
Some welders use the whip and pause technique. Ginger is a pro and always uses whip and paw technique.🐕
Lol
The humidity level is so high here that we can't store our rods that way. A lot of us use an old refrigerator for storage to keep them dry.
I'm gonna say 86 or newer with the warning sticker on the front. I've never seen one from the 60s with that and I've been in shops where the welder had been sitting on a shelf since it was pulled out of the box. I've only worked in a few shops when I was a kid where the welders are from the 70s and don't remember those very well. I seem to recall on the welders from the 70s and back the circle around the 75 was red back when they suggested the water pipe thawing (they no long suggest it BTW).
Those contacts are zinc. Still has a pretty high electrical flow but harder than copper or brass on something like that. They are normally silver soldered in place. Aint broke don't fix it because the only option is replacement. Once silver solder is flowed the first time it takes way more heat the get it to flow a 2nd time. I say you risk melting the copper base trying.
80's + had a larger face plate (longer at bottom) and white plastic plugs holding it on vs screws. I believe the sticker is a California compliance thing.
Man just the cords are worth the 100$ bill.
Nice job.
The cord alone is worth more that $100 bucks.... 95 feet of 10 ga??? Heh heh heh!!! Yes please....
Good explanation of dielectric. I like to try to tell people it "traps" the electricity WHERE YOU WANT IT.... And you touched on this for a second, but yes, it also fills that space that might be there... The blob of dielectric will not allow water, rain, vapors, or humidity to contact the metal in your contacts.... Now sure, with a power washer you could blast it out of there, but in "routine" use, The raindrop lands on the grease, and never gets a chance to reach the contacts you are trying to protect... The grease displaces the area where water or humidity or misty rain might try to go.....
Enough blah blah. Your finished product looked really good. Great job. Those things aren't cheap... That's a neat welder. Very nice.
Most of the time I get 8ga or 6ga but I'll take 10ga as well. The best was a $75 welder that came with over 200ft combined of 6-8ga cords. Those get heavy.