Dr. Eggman is Actually Just Really Dumb | Sonic IDW Bad Guys Part 1

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  • @marthaelenabrenesorozco2953
    @marthaelenabrenesorozco2953 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    GOOD VIDEO, the fact that if there is a prison where the worst villains are locked up only makes SONIC worse, shows that SONIC lets Eggman escape again and again just to be able to play the hero every time Eggman causes a disaster, but if any character pointed out that detail the story would show it as something bad.

  • @galten7361
    @galten7361 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    The problem with how Flynn writes Eggman is really just down to the following:
    A. He sees how he was written in Archie (where he was pretty much a dark overlord ala Skeletor crossed with a robo nazi with shades of the Joker) as his ideal characterization and that's just not how Eggman's handlers over in Japan see the character (they write him as a villainous Walt Disney crossed with a Studio Ghibli villain so an out of touch tycoon so a more realistic villain overall than many of his Western interpretations). IDW Eggman has repeatedly shown he's written as close as he can be to the Archie version in his speech (calling Sonic "rodent") to being shoved in situations where he brutalizes characters using his fists to making a world killing nano plague without any backup plans beyond "run away."
    His speech to Starline about how he could easily just bomb Sonic while sleeping but won't since it's not part of the "game" and also being sore at him for almost not properly killing Sonic is something Archie Eggman would say (and was obviously pulled from the Joker namely in his interpretations like the DCAU) but not the game version. In game canon, Eggman does look forward to testing his skills against Sonic but there's no evidence he would prevent his minions from killing Sonic if they cheated in the "game" he has.
    B. Flynn doesn't really care for Eggman's game characterization (you can see this in his talks in his podcasts) and thinks that he's supposed to be someone like a Dr. Drakken or Dr. Nefarious (who are both parodies of scientist supervillains) in a furry DBZ world. He can't accept that Sonic is a video game series that isn't a superhero comic or military/political soap opera (see Archie) so that clouds how he sees the characters (namely Sonic and Eggman). Flynn sees Eggman in the games as a wacky loser villain like the already mentioned Drakken and Nefarious who makes plans that never work and is always upstaged by "real villains" like Chaos or Mephiles or Zavok.
    So IDW Eggman is trying to fit how Eggman was written in Archie with how Flynn and Co. see the game version. We see him making a nano horde that would kill off the same world he's trying to build into a utopia and in the same arc we're told he never "plans ahead" (until it's time to kill off Starline where Eggman suddenly shows he can plan ahead as long as he's not fighting Sonic).

    • @TheSultan1470
      @TheSultan1470 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      *spoilers*

    • @Rainyar4779
      @Rainyar4779 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Archie Eggman's my favourite version of Eggman so even if what you're saying is true i have no problems with it!
      Also spoilers.

    • @galten7361
      @galten7361 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @Rainyar4779 It doesn't fit with game Eggman that's the point. Sonic Channel even has a cover story talking about how Sonic just sees Eggman as a nuisance who makes life amusing for him rather than some great darkness he needs to face for justice/his world/other and he actively wishes he'd continue all their battles so he can keep life interesting.

    • @djb9267
      @djb9267 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@galten7361Do you know where someone can read this Cover Story from the sonic channel?
      Just for clarification, are you saying that eggman calling sonic a "rodent" is not in his usual character?

    • @johanstenfelt1206
      @johanstenfelt1206 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hm, I can see your point, especially when considering that Ian Flynn was an Head-Writer for Archie Sonic before.

  • @itmesammylawrence
    @itmesammylawrence 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Mimic cell is a cube because he can Shape shift into something to get out of the bars or he a octopus can Squeeze the bars

    • @kotytang
      @kotytang  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@itmesammylawrence Of course. I didn’t say he shouldn’t be in a cube though, just that they had no reason to rip off the doors.

  • @darwinspain4831
    @darwinspain4831 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    How is the restoration still on sonics side. He has allowed eggman to be let go multiple times in the comic when he could easily just capture him and take him to jail after he beats eggman.

    • @rayvenkman2087
      @rayvenkman2087 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      It's one of those issues where if they kept the Ovi Kintobor backstory, it would solve so many narrative issues including Sonic letting him off after everything he's done.

    • @ORLY911
      @ORLY911 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@rayvenkman2087 you mean that one comic they made to promote the original game?

    • @rayvenkman2087
      @rayvenkman2087 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@ORLY911 More like the one presented in Sonic the Comic. One where Sonic is left feeling responsible for Ovi Kintobor becoming Ivo Robotnik and later had to turn him into Robotnik to stop a threat that could only be stopped by Robotnik's existence.

    • @kotytang
      @kotytang  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Well the restoration is made up of Sonic’s friends, and the people underneath just - for some reason - follow every single thing they’re told to do, no matter how stupid, or how bad their decisions will end up for the world.
      The fact that the Restoration is a group of virtually non-existing employees at the moment speaks volumes for what kind of “justice” the Restoration wants to pull off, nobody is special if you’re not Sonic’s literal friend. I’m ready to see if Jewel can make a difference.

    • @johanstenfelt1206
      @johanstenfelt1206 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@kotytang i think that’s something we’ll find out in the Next Arc of the Main Comic.

  • @newdawnhorizon9879
    @newdawnhorizon9879 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Starline's intelligence isn't the problem its the way that Ian and Evan write him. It's also the problem with IDW Sonic as a whole.

    • @franklycentral48
      @franklycentral48 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yeah, there's a clear disparity between how it looks and what's intended.

    • @kotytang
      @kotytang  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      If Ian and Evan both write him this way for IDW, then it is unfortunately Starline’s intelligence even if it’s purely by accident on their part.
      This is the only way to experience Starline, so this is just his character. Even if he truly is supposed to be extremely smart, he just hasn’t been written properly to display this.

  • @franklycentral48
    @franklycentral48 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Oof, brutal! But not inaccurate. I think the comic at this point has forgotten about Superbadnicks. Starline here is portrayed like an extremely jealous ex-girlfriend that swears shes over her ex but clearly isn't. Zavok's conversation with him sorta reflects that.

    • @kotytang
      @kotytang  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      They use super-badniks when they want a big moment… or in this case… when they want Rough to one-shot one with a fart….?
      I agree Starline’s a jaded ex, I hope he can get over Eggman and move on eventually, but it seems to just be his character to go back and forth.

  • @djb9267
    @djb9267 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Maybe the defenses against zavok's ability is only an upgrade for New robots? And it cannot be done with other badniks that have already been produced, meaning that the robots that fall under zavok's control are models where eggman had not yet Figured out a countermeasure. That would be my guess, but it is not pointed out in the Story.

    • @kotytang
      @kotytang  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That’s why I made the suggestion for an attachment they can just place in themselves, rather than putting every one through a redesign - although, knowing Eggman I can’t imagine why he can’t make something can fix hundreds of robots over time through some assembly line that he cycles throughout his army.
      You really have to consider that he has entire bases designed purely for making robots of all different sizes, temporarily shutting down a base to reprocess some robots and then placing them back in their homes before moving to the next base seems something entirely in his abilities.

    • @djb9267
      @djb9267 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kotytang Do you think it is in sonic and tails's characters to attempt to Cover up that they were the ones who attacked a base of his? I don't think that they would care enough, especially sonic who takes opportunities to annoy eggman.

  • @Zavraan
    @Zavraan 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Ian Flynn has said in one of his podcasts that "Eggman never has a solid plan." Like...huh?
    Just because Eggman loses doesn't mean he doesn't have a solid plan. The one I admire the most was his plan in SA 2. If there was no revenge plan from Gerald ( and if Sonic didn't know Chaos controll ) Eggman would've won. Sorry for the rant, but that sentence really irritates me.
    I feel like the comic thinks that Eggman is both smart and incompetent. ( you'll see why in future issues ) He doesn't have foresight, but then suddenly he does? The reason why he loses all the time is because of Sonic, not because he's stupid. He might overlook a few things because of his ego, but he's not stupid.
    About your comment on the prison: Short answer, this is a franchise, SEGA needs to make money, Eggman is one of their most iconic villains of their best-selling series, that's why he always comes back. ( same with Megaman ) Secondly, let's pretend our heroes managed they finally put him in a prison; one that Tails made. It wouldn't last, because Eggman has an army and hundreds of battleships. Either Eggman escapes, overpowers the heroes in some way, or threatens them to a point where they have to let him go because others might die if they don't.
    This is why Sonic needs to defeat him, because he will always manage to escape.
    As for the IDW villains...I don't like them. Rough and Tumble are forgettable and bland, Mimmic is uninteresting, despite the writers thinking he's awesome because he's edgy and scary, thinking that this makes their stories "mature" and Starline is stupid. I won't spoil anything as to why I don't like him, but even before I knew his character, something about him just rubbed me the wrong way.
    Despite the hate towards Zavok, I personally like him. ( I had a great time with Lost World. I loved it for what it was ) Why? There is a lot of undiscovered potential with him. He can control machinery, there's a lot you can unpack with that. And to give Lost World credit, Zavok did make smart decisions for a villain. Turning your enemy into an ally is a good move, since if you can't beat them, let them join you.
    He also wasn't a jerk, but a decent leader who doesn't scold the others unless they did something stupid.
    Just my thoughts. Great video.

    • @galten7361
      @galten7361 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @Zavraan Flynn thinks Game Eggman is pretty much Dr. Drakken or Dr. Nefarious (a "loser" villain) crossed with Bowser (namely the fanon version of Bowser who's "one of the gang"). He's not impressed with the game version.
      In game canon, Sonic just isn't bothered about jailing Eggman or killing him. He smacks around Eggman and once Eggman is taken down Eggman runs off to do something else. He's not a superhero or a policeman or commander. The rest of the established cast are just teen furries who also only face villains when they see them but otherwise don't actively hunt villains or have stopping villains as their job/duty beyond Blaze and Shadow in a pinch.
      The sudden talk about killing villains is just Flynn and Co. applying superhero writing to game canon. They talked about this in Archie too.

    • @Zavraan
      @Zavraan 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@galten7361 didn't know that. But the more I hear about Flynn, the more I dislike him. Not saying he's evil, but he's not exactly decent. Responding with: Go read something else; after the criticism he received on issue 50 for how he wrote Sonic. That's not how you should respond as a "professional comic writer."
      Seriously, the fact that people want the IDW characters in the games, means that they'll have to address that awful version of Sonic in this comic; forcing us to believe that this version is the same one we see in the games.
      That makes me legit nervous.

    • @kotytang
      @kotytang  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      They can still lock Eggman up, he'll just eventually escape. I've never given the implication that Eggman should permanantly be locked up.
      I mean, even in this issue I comment on the fact that they can lock people up in prison and then they all get free.
      Sega also has zero requirement to use Eggman. The franchise will not lose money by making a new villain to fight. This has been proven countless times that fans are perfectly fine with somebody new, that's a very limited way to view any franchise.
      If Eggman is locked up it gives time for another antagonist to rise, this has been how every other franchise handles villains and it works out just fine. The main one will eventually appear again.

    • @Zavraan
      @Zavraan 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kotytang i'm not sure. The series will feel very different without Eggman. He's one of my favorite videogame villains.

    • @kotytang
      @kotytang  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Zavraan Yeah, that’s the fanatic part holding on to you if you actually think the series wouldn’t be the same without Eggman.
      Shadow, Mephiles, Infinite, Zavok, Erazor Djinn, The Black Knight, Merlina, Jet, Chaos, Metal Sonic, Black Doom, and so many more.
      These are all characters that could have just been the villain, Eggman didn’t have to be present for any of these characters, and it would’ve worked perfectly.

  • @ominicronikal0902
    @ominicronikal0902 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This man deserves more subs, i aint gonna cap

  • @reserven5795
    @reserven5795 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Why the guitar for a prison?

    • @franklycentral48
      @franklycentral48 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      The prisons design was based on what Prison Island looks like in Sonic X

    • @reserven5795
      @reserven5795 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@franklycentral48 huh. Don't remember that

    • @franklycentral48
      @franklycentral48 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@reserven5795 yep.

    • @reserven5795
      @reserven5795 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@franklycentral48 I looked up the episode. Never caught that before

    • @franklycentral48
      @franklycentral48 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@reserven5795 yep.

  • @johanstenfelt1206
    @johanstenfelt1206 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Fair and valid points and opinions, once again you’re pointing out things that i didn’t really think about when i initially first went through this,
    Case in point, I guess Starline’s Hypnosis and Shock functions in his Glove and Boots really did seem like they just appeared out of nowhere in this Mini-Series, huh?
    Although, if we were to give benefit of a doubt, it could be that after losing the Topaz, Starline just simply upgraded his Glove and Boots with the functions we see in this Miniseries to compensate, I think that could be very possible,
    But to be fair, this was never really stated into to be the case in the Comic, so really your take could still be just as valid as mine.
    As for Eggman, while he is supposed to the sole Ruler of an Empire, said Empire however is entirely made out of Machines and I don’t necessarily think we’re meant to believe that he is supposed to be that particularly good at being a Ruler.
    About Starline(aside from his gadgets), i can’t say much, but let’s just say that delusion is a pretty major part of his Character, as you’ll see the further you go, perhaps.
    (I hope this won’t be considered a Spoiler to say)
    Anyway, this was a well done Video, I will look forward to Part 2 and see what you think of this Mini-Series’ Conclusion and apparent takeaway.

    • @TheSultan1470
      @TheSultan1470 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@johanstenfelt1206 Hmmm if he is not that good of a ruler, how is he giving the world 99 % worths of trouble? And without sentient beings under him, he isn't much of a ruler anyway.

    • @johanstenfelt1206
      @johanstenfelt1206 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@TheSultan1470 Quantity over Quality, partly, combined with extreme recklessness, maybe?

    • @TheSultan1470
      @TheSultan1470 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@johanstenfelt1206 And extreme incompetence of the Animal Nation.
      Sonic: (goes to the loo)
      World: (99 % occupied)

    • @kotytang
      @kotytang  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It would be more reasonable to say that he did this, however Starline makes it clear that it is his first time using the spurs, and his hypnosis is the same as it’s always been while talking to Zavok.
      Eggman isn’t good at ruling people, but he is good at ruling his robots. Just think of the hundreds of fleets, the logistics, the assembly lines he’d have to make, the resources he’d need and how to get them, the generals he’d need to man specific parts of his army, the bases and maintenance they require etc etc. he would have to program every single detail, and plan all of this out so that it works properly. It would be actually impossible for Eggman to achieve this if he had absolutely no clue what he was doing.
      ======
      I believe entirely that Starline’s delusion toward Eggman and his empire is a part of his character, he’s just also not very smart outside of that.
      I appreciate the continued watch, it means a lot!

    • @johanstenfelt1206
      @johanstenfelt1206 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kotytang okay, first of all, just to make sure we’re on the same page, when I talked about Starline doing upgrades, I meant that he did it after the Zombie Arc, but before the Beginning of this Miniseries, basically that he did it during the time he was off-screen.
      As for Eggman, I can see what you mean, I guess they’re just not focusing much on how Eggman actually manages his Empire,
      Although, to be fair, that might be something that’s not necessarily just on IDW, the Question of how Eggman is actually managing his entire Empire, I don’t think any Sonic Continuity has ever gotten into that, so this might just be on the Franchise itself,
      But now I am actually kind of curious, I wonder if we’ll ever do get some kind of deep dive into how the behind the scenes machinations of the Eggman Empire actually works?

  • @Chris_Thorndyke
    @Chris_Thorndyke 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    This is why Archie is better.

    • @reggielacey2235
      @reggielacey2235 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No

    • @kotytang
      @kotytang  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Is it though?

    • @itmesammylawrence
      @itmesammylawrence 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Like one point ahead not the same spot but not that far away

  • @wilvortex7309
    @wilvortex7309 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    First and anti spoil

  • @reggielacey2235
    @reggielacey2235 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This entire channel is just hating on idw for no reason

    • @kotytang
      @kotytang  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@reggielacey2235 Feel free to call me out on JUST ONE SINGLE specific thing I’ve been wrong about and explain to me why I’m wrong.
      The floor is yours;

    • @charmyzard
      @charmyzard 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@kotytang Never replied 🥶

    • @kotytang
      @kotytang  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@charmyzard They usually never do.