Great Video FYI, the new tram section in Barcelona started operating yesterday (November 9th). It's the first phase of the connection of the two separate tram systems in the city. The next and final phase should start in 2025.
The Seoul rail burying project really reminds me of the Stuttgart 21 project. Hopefully it doesn't run into as many problems and delays as that one though. And that one has two objectives, not just to open up more space for urban redevelopments in core areas of the city, but also to make Stuttgart into a through station for South-bound long range services like ICE, instead of a terminus station. Seoul really just seems to think it's trains are an ugly sight and wants them buried.
Burying railways is a good new for real state developers but no so much for public transportation. In Spain there has been many projects to bury commuter railines and this results on limiting the capacity of the stations for future upgradings and using a lot of public funds that could be used in better improvements.
@@mcj1m_noonewillfindthis This is the standard in many places and there are no such problems and a city like Seoul with almost 10m people in the city (26m with the metro area) and a density of 16,000/km so they need the space. A lot of countries build tunnels all the time for a very affordable cost. Apart from metro systems, that do use train (different but still heavy trains) are mostly underground and do are the regular rail lines in the city. I'm from Barcelona, apart from the metro (which is underground, as in many other cities), the train lines cross the city in 3 tunnels + stations, another tunnel splits up and another to get to Estació de França (the only at grade old style station but tracks go underground after about 500m). Another tunnel is at the first stages will be under Diagonal. The FGC operates suburban lines that which in the urban area they are fully underground. There were also many expansions during the years, underground train stations have been expanded, new tracks were added and it wasn't more problematic than any other expansion.
@@Dave_Sisson Cut and cover might not be possible as you need a free area to do it or close down large sections of the system and I doubt it's worth it in a dense place like Seoul that has no free spaces, which is part of the reasons they decided to do it. I don't know the exact plan in Seoul but tunneling can also allow an improved and shorter distances as they are not restricted to the current layout. There will most likely be cut and cover at the stations, at lease partial, which depends on the geology of the area.
Barcelona's tram extension opened today instead of yesterday due to a tram drivers strike xd Next week we'll start to see if it can handle the expected crowds it'll attract at rush hour...
Let's all pray for Seoul... In Spain there's the "tradition" of trying to make all lines possible underground in urban areas, and it can get really expensive and, most importantly, veeeery long in contruction times. They must plan construction works really really well to avoid problems in that sense.
Lisbon mentioned! It's a shame that they're thinking of getting rid of the old trains since we need the frequency, but we're getting lots of investment into public transport lately, Things are looking up. I can't find where it says that the first unit of the new trains is being tested, but It's exciting stuff.
Great video as always! A quick tip maybe, if it's an issue to you: There are settings in google Maps to turn off all the little markers for places, so you won't have a satellite map crowded with hints for Gym's or restaurants or whatever, might look cleaner than that. Those settings are under "layers", and then a little checkmark for "labels". If you turn that off, it'll just be an empty satellite map.
Hey, You missed some news from yesterday! On Sunday 10th a new portion of the Barcelona tramway opened arriving for the first time to the Eixample grid. It's part of a bigger project to connect the two tramway systems of the city through Glories sqare and the Diagonal avenue.
Multiple roads and rail lines follow the river Seine. They all need to be crossed and the expected ridership doesn't justify the cost of a bridge or tunnel.
1st, the road network is utterly saturated in the area, so more busses won't work. 2nd There are a lot of obstacles on the ground : the vast amount of rail to cross, I think there is a river, and a highway. This would be super expensive 3rd The density in the area is not very high, so no requirement for heavy transit (such as extending the metro), at least not in the foreseeable future 4th For short distance where top speed is not important (4km), gondolas are very cheap to build and operate. They are also very cheap on the amount of ground infrastructure that may only be toped by underground construct. They seem great to connect a small area to higher capacity modes ( If I'm not mistaken, at least one station have a full blown bus interchange built in, with both local city bus and more long haul ones since it is close to the highway exit, and another one gets to the metro ) Keep in mind that for 132MEuros of the project, it includes the line (pillars/cable) the vehicles, but also the stations, and a more than 3km long city park with bike lanes, and a bus interchange. That money would hardly build a single metro station, forget the tunnel and new vehicules to keep up with frequency ^^ As a rule of thumb, gondolas are great if you have low amount of land available, for short straight lines where there are obstacles (high slopes being one of many possible obstacles. All of these align quite well with the transit requirements of a ski resort)
The one in London was built as a tourist attraction more than as a viable transit line, so it is not a good model to look at. South america is full of transit by cable cars, and in France, we have a few already that are doing the job. Cable cars are a very interesting transit mode for the kind of trips where they are relevant
2 minutes frequency on a tram line is excellent considering some metros don't run as often. Great job Warsaw!
Great Video
FYI, the new tram section in Barcelona started operating yesterday (November 9th).
It's the first phase of the connection of the two separate tram systems in the city. The next and final phase should start in 2025.
The Seoul rail burying project really reminds me of the Stuttgart 21 project. Hopefully it doesn't run into as many problems and delays as that one though. And that one has two objectives, not just to open up more space for urban redevelopments in core areas of the city, but also to make Stuttgart into a through station for South-bound long range services like ICE, instead of a terminus station. Seoul really just seems to think it's trains are an ugly sight and wants them buried.
Burying railways is a good new for real state developers but no so much for public transportation. In Spain there has been many projects to bury commuter railines and this results on limiting the capacity of the stations for future upgradings and using a lot of public funds that could be used in better improvements.
Fascinating how Seoul plans to put all the rail underground, apparently they can do cheap tunneling. Worth emulating, I guess
I'm not even so sure if this is a good idea... all future expansions and maintenance will be a lot more expensive
@@mcj1m_noonewillfindthis This is the standard in many places and there are no such problems and a city like Seoul with almost 10m people in the city (26m with the metro area) and a density of 16,000/km so they need the space.
A lot of countries build tunnels all the time for a very affordable cost. Apart from metro systems, that do use train (different but still heavy trains) are mostly underground and do are the regular rail lines in the city.
I'm from Barcelona, apart from the metro (which is underground, as in many other cities), the train lines cross the city in 3 tunnels + stations, another tunnel splits up and another to get to Estació de França (the only at grade old style station but tracks go underground after about 500m). Another tunnel is at the first stages will be under Diagonal. The FGC operates suburban lines that which in the urban area they are fully underground.
There were also many expansions during the years, underground train stations have been expanded, new tracks were added and it wasn't more problematic than any other expansion.
It will probably be 'cut and cover' construction which is less than half the price of tunneling.
@@Dave_Sisson Cut and cover might not be possible as you need a free area to do it or close down large sections of the system and I doubt it's worth it in a dense place like Seoul that has no free spaces, which is part of the reasons they decided to do it.
I don't know the exact plan in Seoul but tunneling can also allow an improved and shorter distances as they are not restricted to the current layout.
There will most likely be cut and cover at the stations, at lease partial, which depends on the geology of the area.
Can't wait for the cable line in Créteil!!!
Barcelona's tram extension opened today instead of yesterday due to a tram drivers strike xd
Next week we'll start to see if it can handle the expected crowds it'll attract at rush hour...
Thank you as always 😊
Let's all pray for Seoul... In Spain there's the "tradition" of trying to make all lines possible underground in urban areas, and it can get really expensive and, most importantly, veeeery long in contruction times.
They must plan construction works really really well to avoid problems in that sense.
thank you
Santo domingo Dominican Republic line 3 is in danger of being cancelled if private funding doesn’t came .😢
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Lisbon mentioned! It's a shame that they're thinking of getting rid of the old trains since we need the frequency, but we're getting lots of investment into public transport lately, Things are looking up. I can't find where it says that the first unit of the new trains is being tested, but It's exciting stuff.
Great video as always!
A quick tip maybe, if it's an issue to you: There are settings in google Maps to turn off all the little markers for places, so you won't have a satellite map crowded with hints for Gym's or restaurants or whatever, might look cleaner than that.
Those settings are under "layers", and then a little checkmark for "labels". If you turn that off, it'll just be an empty satellite map.
Yes, but then it also turn off borders and names
Thanks for the update…. 😺
Hey, You missed some news from yesterday! On Sunday 10th a new portion of the Barcelona tramway opened arriving for the first time to the Eixample grid. It's part of a bigger project to connect the two tramway systems of the city through Glories sqare and the Diagonal avenue.
Don't forget Dominican Republic: a 15 km monorail, a 12 km tram line, 3 new cable car lines, metro L1 & L2 expansions and a whole new 32 km metro line
Forgot to mention who will build the Paris cable car: Doppelmayr
I am surprised it is Dopp. I thought the nationalistic French would choose the partly French company Leitner-Poma.
@Dave_Sisson Same here. Could it be due to EU and it's procurement rules? Idk, could be naive on my side tho
did marvel approve the design??? Seoul is just wow!!! the cable car, hmm not sure about that paris...
Great video but what is the point for an Urban cable car in Paris when the terrain is mostly flat
Interesting to have in the same video the Seoul tunneling plans
Multiple roads and rail lines follow the river Seine. They all need to be crossed and the expected ridership doesn't justify the cost of a bridge or tunnel.
1st, the road network is utterly saturated in the area, so more busses won't work.
2nd There are a lot of obstacles on the ground : the vast amount of rail to cross, I think there is a river, and a highway. This would be super expensive
3rd The density in the area is not very high, so no requirement for heavy transit (such as extending the metro), at least not in the foreseeable future
4th For short distance where top speed is not important (4km), gondolas are very cheap to build and operate. They are also very cheap on the amount of ground infrastructure that may only be toped by underground construct. They seem great to connect a small area to higher capacity modes ( If I'm not mistaken, at least one station have a full blown bus interchange built in, with both local city bus and more long haul ones since it is close to the highway exit, and another one gets to the metro )
Keep in mind that for 132MEuros of the project, it includes the line (pillars/cable) the vehicles, but also the stations, and a more than 3km long city park with bike lanes, and a bus interchange. That money would hardly build a single metro station, forget the tunnel and new vehicules to keep up with frequency ^^
As a rule of thumb, gondolas are great if you have low amount of land available, for short straight lines where there are obstacles (high slopes being one of many possible obstacles. All of these align quite well with the transit requirements of a ski resort)
YOU GOT IT BACWATD ILE DE FRACE IS THE REGIONAL GOVERNMENT THAT C GHAS THE CITY OF PARIS AS A REGION B NOY THE OTHER WAY AROUND .
A Paris cable car; what stupid idea. The one in London is shorter and crosses only the Thames.
The one in London was built as a tourist attraction more than as a viable transit line, so it is not a good model to look at. South america is full of transit by cable cars, and in France, we have a few already that are doing the job.
Cable cars are a very interesting transit mode for the kind of trips where they are relevant