Stihl BR800 X Backpack Blower ran with no oil. Will it run? AND Echo PB-9010T carb adjust.
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My name is Bre. I took two years of small engine repair at the local college. When I left school, I fell into a wonderful job at a local small engine shop where I worked the counter for a couple years. In 2010 my husband and I opened up our own small engine shop in central Arkansas where I am able to work alongside my family and best friends. We see over 2,000 pieces of small engine equipment every year, and answer 1,000's of small engine questions. We specialize in brands such as Briggs and Stratton, Kohler, Echo and Shindaiwa, but work everyday on MANY other brands like Stihl, Husqvarna, Honda, Craftsman, Remington, Red Max, Troy Bilt, Scag, Bad Boy, Hustler, World Lawn, Poulan, Mantis, Etc.. Hopefully, my experience I share, will save you Time, Money and Frustration in the future!
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If anyone could fix this , it’s you ! You are by far and away one of the best mechanics in the business , hands down . Wished I lived closer , I’d love to meet you and thank you in person for all you do for us ! Love watching your channel .
Yep she's one of the best
I've had one of these Magnum BR 800x blowers come to my shop last year, and the same issue, only worse. The owner's crew put straight gas in the tank and 2 days later, Wham ! I told the owner that I already knew what I would find if I opened up the engine and it would cost more in labor to do so.
However, he said go ahead and make sure that it's as bad as you think. 😆
$150 in labor later and the cylinder, valves, piston were all toast. The crankshaft and bearings survived some how. Needless to say, it's sitting in a box for over a year now and the customer has not paid for the inspection labor. He said he paid over $900.00 for the unit. All I can say is, if you don't follow the instructions for your equipment, it will cost you big bucks later.
On STIHL 4-stroke mix lubricated engines, when there is a lack of lubrication, typically the piston pin bushing will heat up and seize before the piston and cylinder score. I have purposely run many STIHL 4-stroke mix lubricated engines with no lubrication in tests and they rarely score a piston and cylinder. Almost always the wrist pin seizes first. This engine uses a bushing pressed into the con rod for the piston pin (STIHL R&D found that needle bearings cannot withstand the combustion pressures of the 4-stroke engine). At minimum you are going to need a new crankshaft and piston. It may be more cost effective to replace the shortblock. The unmixed fuel was likely the cause for the failure.
Do you know if there's a permanent fix/repair for the BR 800 muffler continuing to deteriorate and fall off? I own 2 of 4 that have this issue.
That's what I've seen too, but also on a 91r seen a connecting rod bearing fly apart and eat itself.
I repair all kinds of engines though.
I put a 110 engine in that 91.
Always wondered if you could put the older engines in the newer plastics. You can 🙂
So there's that too
Glad to have you back. Really missed your videos. You can't win them all and it's hard to believe that the customer ran it without oil. So sad and frustrating.
Sometimes you have employees that don't pay attention and put regular gas in. Couple weeks ago I was in the shop and one blower had a hole in piston, two didn't sound any good.
And last one I looked at looked like straight gas. Changed it checked compression, aah ok. Got to start popping off but ran out of time. May need new plug mechanic thought.
Train your employees to make sure they are putting in the right gas. Not just the can but when they pour it in.
I remember in the "early" days, people were horrible about putting straight gas in 2 stroke outboard motors. We never loaned them because of that
Actually found this to be a highly engaging video.... Definitely one of your better productions, and it Wasn't wasted on a unit you couldn't make (immediately) run. That Echo looks like a hefty machine.... Hopefully just a wrist pin and piston and you can make part II. (depending on the price, if it were mine, i might just leave that piston, bore the rod bearing hole and just go with a new pin and rings. 💁) ✌️ ~
Good to see you back
Really enjoyed the vacation pictures of you
You'd leave the piston? She broke a chunk off the piston skirt.
Looking forward to Part 2!
Thank you,
Steve
I bought my echo PB9010 because of your reviews , it’s a beast , I love it . Makes yard work an absolute breeze . Thanks !
just got one , for snow in western canadq
I'm confident you'll fix it, whether for the customer or for yourself! 👍
Heat the piston with a propane torch and apply oil to the pin. Try to drive the pin out while it's hot.
I'd really like to see what happened to the rod bearing.
Rod bearings hardly ever lock up like that when the rest of the engine is OK.
Very good video!
Stihl's 4 mox blowers do not use bearings for the wrist pins. Which why when the motors fail the wrist pin always locks up.
It's a bushing, not a needle bearing as it should be
I honestly enjoy your "failure" videos. As a self taught, self employed small engine mechanic, even though I've been doing this for almost ten years, it's always nice to see that I am not the only one who does things a certain way, or has certain issues...
I find it fun to prediagnois....with you. 40+ years of shop time. still enjoy learning. Just can't do the physical part all day anymore....your Awesome
You put more into it than most shops would.. Hopefully they'll be a part 2
Win some lose some.
Great video Bre.
It shows the real world of what small engine techs go through daily.
Customers still think a screw driver, crescent wrench, and hammer is all that is needed to work on this type of equipment. Oh and they must also think we have no bills to pay because they don't want to pay you for your services if the equipment isn't repairable or cost effective to do so.
Welcome back and I'm glad you enjoyed your vacation.
As for getting something running, you actually DID accomplish that with the simple adjustments on the Echo.
It's good to have you back. Another great video .
Haha, I’m a Kiwi. Love when you say “ it’s all burned up” 😊. Here we say “it’s stuffed, or it’s buggered” . Love your videos, keep ‘em coming.
I was so looking forward to you bringing it back to life for your customer but it is what it is - no way anyone can say you didn't try...
Fixed or not, great video. Proves its not always what we think it appears to be. Your hunger for diagnosing properly proved that. Thanks for a very informative and instructional video. AWESOME
I was looking for a lightweight blower for my deck. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxgioZQl3J5wPGAeDINzbieKbT5qomSEx3 There are some huge trees around my house and the leaves and pods drop all over my deck. Having to move furniture around to sweep has become too big a chore. This blower was the answer. It is light enough for this 70yr old lady and powerful enough to blow all the tree droppings off my rather large deck. Thank you B&D. Be aware the cord is not included. I use a 3 prong outdoor cord 25' cord for my 12' x 20' deck. The cord retainer works very well, but don't try to pass the plug through it. That is NOT how it works. You just have to loop the cord and it works great. One of my best purchases. Very happy.
Just want to say, I always enjoy watching your videos your tips on your pointers. They are a blessing so I hope God blesses you and your family. Thank you.
I don't see how you consider it a failure you figured out what the problem was obviously it's definitely a big problem and you fix the other backpack blower at least now it runs what seems to be properly I love the videos keep them going
Great video Bre!! The BR 6,7,800's engine design gets really expensive once you get past regular maintanence. Bearings are unserviceable and a reseal (replace crankshaft seals and gasket maker for the pan) requires a good bit of labor. Removing the blower fan can be a bear also. Simplicity of the true two stroke blowers is much better for the long run. Ease of service, and rebuilds. I work on this stuff all day and I own a PB9010. Short block replacement for these 4-Mix units are only a viable repair if it's under warranty.
I have a 4-mix FS131, and I can't get used to that congested SOUND they make compared to a true 2-cycle.
It starts right up and cuts great, but that sound makes me want to order the aftermarket parts and overhaul my 20 year old FS-85. The bottom end is fine (no excess play or noise in the bearings), but the cylinder and rings are worn so she's not compressing adequately. She's sitting in my toolshed for now until I get some time to work on her.
@@leehuff2330Funny I prefer the sound. Sounds like a 4 stroke dirt bike. It’s far less annoying that the 2 stroke sound.
Where is part 2? I am on the edge of my seat! Thx. You are an amazing mechanic.
Hello Ms Veronica I have a Red Max back pack blower my real dad sent it to me for a Christmas gift the gift caught me by a surprise it's the coolest thing a dad could buy a son for a Christmas gift family and friends are a blessing to have around
After the epic ice storm in'98, I went to my friendly Husqvarna/Jonsereds dealer for some parts. There was a rack of chain saws in the shop, all looking brand new. The mechanic told me that everybody and their brother went out and bought saws to clear all the damaged trees. Every one of the saws was run on straight gas and seized up. No one read the owners' manuals. No warranty, just spare parts.
Welcome back from vacation. Bet you miss the warm weather LOL. Happy to see ya back making videos. Wanting to see a follow up video. Hopefully there will be a part 2!!
I just wanted to thank you for posting this video. I didn’t realize my son has been putting straight gas in my magnum 800. It stopped working while I was using it and when i tried to start it again the cord was super hard.. but I follow all the steps from you checking the color of the gas “which told me what the issue was” to adding oil to the piston which in my case it actually worked !!! THANK YOU..
Yea … I got one from a guy same blower … his mixture was terrible and he locked it up so he just bought another one and I gave him 100 cash and told him I would use it for parts … took my time with it one day and poured some marvel mystery oil down the spark plug hole let it sit a day … came back and fired that bad boy up worked great … sold it for 450 got good profit and also let the person know that bought it that it was locked up but I fixed it by freeing up the old piston so time may be limited … 2 years later it still works for him and he brings it to me for maintenance and I give it some hot oil (mystery oil) treatment once or twice a year for him … still picking the 9010 over any other blower tho just so powerful and saves a ton of time when you are a good operator
The rod bearing needs oil too. Very interesting movie. You are good. Thanks
Hope you enjoyed your vacation you deserved it.Great to have you back.All the best to you all.
Hope y'all had a great vacation! Missed your videos and glad y'all had a safe trip.
I hope you saved someone’s job. Great stuff as always.
Bree you're a good lady and you're helping alot of people!!!!
Your an Awesome Mechanic and look like a Scientist when wearing Your glasses!
Years ago I had to rebuild a 2-cycle Evinrude outboard, because I let some people use the boat, and they put straight gas in it. Thanks for bringing back that painful memory. 😁
Glad you came back! Nice tan, looks like you had fun. Not disappointed; now we know how to tear one of these apart!
Sorry you couldn't get it running in this video but am sure you will for a part 2? It is nice to see that even the pros occasionally can't fix things on first try. Am glad you are back home from your vacation. Love your videos and have learned so much from you! Time to put a new one on your Santa list...lol.
I like that you are a mechanic and try to find the root cause. The last two shops I took my old car to just threw parts at it.
They are always uplifting.
My favorite part was listening to the seized piston
That sucks! Customer should keep it as a parts blower. Costly mistake on their behalf. Thanks for the vid!
you was trying to help out your customer and did find the problem 👍 not every one will go that far, they quote you a new unit right away..
yes, agree it is not fun to report to your customer they have broke their unit beond repair.
The best part about the Echo 8010 ( and 9010) is that Echo knows they built a blower that's longevity is compromised. Lucky to get a year from one when used commercially. 9010 not much better. But they are standing behind them with respect to warranty ( even months after the 2 years).
Looking forward to seeing you get it to come back to life and how good it works
Great video... brought back some great memories of my years as a small engine mechanic. Which is why I watch your channel... nope fully retired and enjoy retired life lol . But it is as you know something in our blood. That keeps us interested... ANYWAY... you did it right and you have it all on flim. So you can show the customer. Who will probably opt out of repairing it. Hopefully you can keep it and replace the piston .. hone the cylinder lightly and have it back up and running.
Really enjoy your program. Keep up the great work 👍
That 90-10 blows way more than the Stihl!!!
Went from a Stihl BR600 to the Echo 80-10 and WOW 😳😳 double the CFM and 1/2 the time!!
Love the honesty and your willingness to help the customer.. However, reality is YOU didn't break the items coming through the door, the customer did, (or their family member ;) ), and they shouldn't be upset at being told it's toast.. Love the videos, the disassembly and reassembly then the grand start up.. Keep them coming, no matter how bland you might think they are, to us, they are fascinating..
Glad to see you back! Good on y’all for taking some time off.
Great video! I hope it gets ingrained in my mind each time I fuel up having a mixture of 2 and 4 stroke engines! Similar to when you get your car fuelled up and your household has a mix of petrol and diesel cars. I always pause, say to myself “ now what car am I in, what fuel am I about to put in”😂. Will be interesting to see what decision the customer comes to-repair or replace.
Great vid! Thank you. It fascinates me how someone could buy a commercial grade blower like the BR800 and NOT know to mix. I have a BR800C-E purchased from a dealer here in the sticks of Michigan and the first thing the salesman said, MIX! I'm just a large property landowner and I understood. It's a beast and I can blow leaves and everything else that's loose all the way to Canada, deck chairs, kids and unsecured airplanes.
They even call it.........4mix.
I'd really like to see the Stihl run again as well for the comparison video to the Echo unit.
No disappointment here. Your videos are awesome, I was glad you tore it apart I wanted to see what was wrong. I even poured another coffee to watch it lol 😆.
I love this blower😂, I only use it for my own driveway at my home. I know it's a commercial unit, and I don't care! It takes me two seconds to blow my small driveway off, I drain the non ethanol mix, and I run it until it turns off. Blame Chickanic! She got me loving this thing. Can't believe I spent so much money because I wanted to be part of the crowd!😂 I love this blower so much that I'm installing anti-scratch pads to her. This baby is going to be coddled and loved forever more. Make sure you use that Stihl oil in the mix, or else that brass washer thing will burn your entire engine.
New subscriber, loving your videos, learnt a lot as a homeowner, thank you, best wishes from Oz🇦🇺
Another very nice video Chickanic , people have to be educated on the importance of the equipment they are buying
True but they know it all Lololo
That would be the dealers responsibility and then yours to pass on to whom ever uses or borrows said equipment.....Just sayn.
Sorry you were not successful i getting it fixed. This is a great reminder for folks about how important it is to know what your equipment needs for fuel and meeting the need. I use only non-ethanol fuel and Shindaiwa oil for my mix fuel. I also clearly mark the fuel cans so it is obvious to anybody using my stuff.
I've gotta hand it to you. I find 2 cycle engines so frustrating that I actively avoid buying them our even using them. I thought when I discovered TruFuel that my worries were over, but that didn't prove out. I hate em so much actually own a 4 cycle weed wacker! I see you starting these 2 cycles with such ease, it makes me wonder why I'm not getting the same result.It's not possible to buy ethanol free fuel where I live (at least I've never found it anywhere) and my guess is that the ethanol's affinity to attract water has been much of my problem. Love your content!! Thanks for sharing it with us!
Can’t wait to sit down and watch, which reminds me. My father in law has a “2 stroke diesel tractor” ( think small farm tractor). Well it only ran for 2 years until he had to start using jumper cables straight to the starter, until he locked it up. Can’t tell him nothing. “ it doesn’t use oil, I just add it to the diesel” it ran like shit before it locked up. Well now he just bought a brand new kobota tractor. I wonder how long it will last .
transmission fluid works great. used it to free up small engine or large engine. its viscosity lets it creep into tighter spaces better i put it in till it covers the top of the piston let it sit overnight. make sure if it does turn over to leave plug out to avoid hydrolock but ive saved many engines, on quads, dirt bikes, mower even cars with that. not a sure thing but worth a try.
Hey, it happens. I think it might be worth fixing, for maybe half the price of new. Oh, well, it’s up to the customer. Great video, can’t wait for the next one. Glad you had a good vacation. Take care.
These things happen all the time I've had my share of riders and echo chain saws over the years. I still my old echo 510 evl . Nice video.
You are the best 😊 I love watching your videos I learn a lot with your videos
Sure Fred, you can use my blower. Like the time I let my neighbor use my little MS180 and he ran it at at high idle with the chain brake on..
Stuck wrist pins are ZERO fun. Had a Honda 450 Foreman recently with this condition. Ended up using a ball joint press to get that pin out, and a lot of heat from a MAP gas torch. The heat is the key. Heated the piston and sprayed the inside of the pin with canned air like you blow your keyboard out with. That combination had it moving in just a couple of minutes and it had a happy ending, I got everything back together and it runs great!
Welcome back. All battles are a win. But sometimes it’s not ours to win. You might try some heat on that piston but it may just got welded.
Glad to have you back. First “failure” I’ve seen on your channel. Too bad. But it’s helpful to learn when it’s not worth the time to repair.
For squirting oil in the cylinder or fuel in a carb I use the syringe for giving pediatric oral meds. Nice and neat.
Great effort great to see what happens with just gas
It was still a good interesting video and hope to see a part two if possible
I worked on a BR 800 for the same reason as of running on straight gas. These are really a pain to take apart, really. Frustration! Besides that, the parts are insanely expensive. I changed the cylinder and piston with aftermarket parts and after around 10 hours it still running fine with very good performance. Aftermarket parts are about 1/3 of Stihl price... Frustration again! Stihl does not want us to fix their (our) machines They want us to buy a new one In order to keep the factory busy.
Many thanks for your very instructive video, helpful. Have a great week.
I admire your tenacity
Great video and.... excellent taste in slippers!!! I'm pausing the video to see if I'm guessing correctly here. Since you took the cover off and started trying to turn it and it made that squeak, I have been saying to myself.. It's the wrist pin failure. I have repaired probably a dozen of those in the BR600 and one BR800 in the last 8 months. It was a warranty repair by Stihl as they know is was a design flaw. Now, to continue the video and see if I'm right.
EDIT: I was correct. What you are seeing is exactly what I was seeing with the wrist pin failures. I also just realized this video was posted a year ago so it's too late now to do anything about it but that would possibly have been a short block engine replacement under warranty by Stihl. Well, now you know. I know it had straight fuel in it when you dumped it out but the damage is exactly what I would see with the wrist pin failure so I'm sure that would have been covered.
Great video again - sometime these things are there to test one’s patience - so welldone on doing and sharing the autopsy :)
I was a Husqvarna dealer for 8 1/2 years. A customer brought in a 61CC saw and said it stopped running. It had no oil in the gas. I filled the cylinder with Marvel Mystery oil and let it soak for a week. I flushed the cylinder with a fresh gas-oil mix. Installed the plug, filled the tank and it started right away, although it did smoke at first. It quickly settled down and I never heard from the guy again.
That is the way things happen when working on other’s equipment, you stihl put out an awesome video! ( pun intended) have a great week Bre!
Squeek squeek there is a mouse in the blower. 🤣🐭
The world is not perfect nor are human made machines. But your videos are. 👍
Have you tried our good old friend heat? Be sure to heat the piston and con rod (awkward) not the wrist pin then press it out before the wrist pin expands. Probably gonna need a new piston tho'
Awesome video!! Well the 800 might not have worked out. But you definitely help me out with the 9010. I have the tools but there was no information out there on how to adjust the carburetor. The Ecco dealer adjusted it but its still just a hair off depending on the temperature. So Thank You very much!!👍🏻👍🏻🤗🤗
great video Bri ,my guess is the customer will choose to fix it, and I love Echo equipment, i have my SRM-21 Dual string trimmer and still works good starts on the 3rd pull which is awesome considering its 21 yrs old, I live in Manitoba Canada and have a neighbour who never shovels snow he uses a big Stihl backpack blower, i don't know what model ,he has it fired up any time it snows and always has his place cleaned right down to the concrete and thats everything and you can hear him all winter and his vehicles almost never have snow on them either , so i guess Stihl makes a pretty stout blower , i look forward to the video on this unit 👍
My echo srm-2200 is from the mid eighties and still running
going to give that a shot with my 600 this winter. Who would of thought.....nice.
Once you melt a little bit of that piston yo the cylinder wall its pretty much over. You can tear it down , dissolve the melted bits off the cylinder walls , make sure the ring is loose , scotch brite the piston and throw the junk back together and it may last a few more rounds but its definitely on borrowed time
Funny story if you need a laugh. Years ago a guy brought a blower in. The electrode of the sparkplug was bent closed. His stepson knew just enough to get out of a job he didn't want to do. I saved the plug & the owner was pissed!
I've watched enough small engine repair videos that when the teaser was posted day before yesterday I knew it was likely going to be a no oil issue. interesting the bearing is what failed, and at half the price of new, it may be worth gambling on a piston/rod assembly.
A lot of good spare parts.
Yet another amazing tutorial! Chickanic, how about PB Blaster to free up that cylinder. That stuff is incredible and my 'go to' for most everything.
Yes! I've used B'laster products since they were invented back in the '60s, they are the best. WD-40 smells kinda good, but other than that, it isn't good for much of anything.
On the stihl br blowers, I understand that they use a bronze bushing instead of a needle cage bearing where the piston rod and piston connect, is that why the recommend stihl 4 stroke oil.
Bre, make a part 2 video. We would like to know the disposition of the BR800. Thanks.
So you can't do a video at your shop cuz the people want to drop off machines. Sounds like a good problem to have!.Love ur stuff.
A very enjoyable and informative video! I love it!
13:17 I have used PB Blaster for this purpose. And /or ATF. I might try Echo 2 Stoke oil next time.
Welcome back you tried about everything you could i'll watch for part two
Great troubleshooting on your end !
Too bad you couldn’t get the wrist pin out! That happens!
They just don’t tolerate no mix oil for very long ! Ive seen it happen too!
Great video ! You did well !
I gave my 30 inch Sachs 120 chain saw to my son. When I got it back it was frozen solid! I pulled the muffler and saw the piston welded itself into the cylinder. My SSI does not allow for a new saw! Back to my motorcycle days. I had the saw on my bench and every time I walked by he saw I would use a torch and heat the cylinder then pound the cylinder with a rubber mallet. After weeks it finally came off showing a two-inch wide seizure on the piston with the rings welded into the groves. The new piston and rings were way oversize! I resorted to emery cloth and every time I walked by I would do a bit of sanding around the piston. Weeks later the rings were loose enough to remove and I filed the groves. I honed the cylinder, it had welded on aluminum too. When cleaned I resembled and mixed a fat batch of new fuel. It fired right up. Runs perfectly and the compression is up to new specs? 5 years later and it is still in great shape. I think it was run with straight gas plus I found the high needle only 1/4 out. It was seized directly at the exhaust port. What I did I have done before on two-stroke motorcycles with good results. I still run my fuel mix fat though.
I had a Husqvarna 65L chainsaw seize 35 years ago. I scraped the aluminum from the cylinder, filed the rough piston skirt and replace the compression ring. It still screams! This one sounds like it has considerable metal transfer from the piston. It's toast.
Never thought twice about it, my dad and I ran "cheep" gas in our 2 stroke mix. Started to have issues with the little saw, fella at the saw shop asked (first thing threw the door) what gas are you using? Haven't run ethanal since, have always run a mix, just pay more for non ethanal now.
That has to be one of the hardest things to see (the Sithl). No excuses, that is pure user error
🦋🦋💐 queen of knowledge welcome back you brought two home to fix you got one running that's good batting 500 that's not bad the second one was locked up not your fault you tried don't feel bad about it you know and I know you can't run a two-cycle without putting the Right Mix gas and oil you cannot run two-cycle with gasoline he would blow the engine you tried that's the only thing can do thank you for trying don't feel bad🌷🌷🌷
How can I get the new lines and carb parts, and where? I have tried different auto parts stores here with no luck. We don't really have a small engine repair shop here. Thank you.
Enjoy your videos and learn a lot that I realize I can do myself.
Hey CHick ....Glad to see ya back and glad to hear you are recharged and ready to go...lol
I have been a auto tech for over 25 years and i DO NOT use WD40 EITHER ....... It is for the backyard mechanic !
But to loosen up a froze cylinder I use a combination of Marvel Mystery Oil and transmission fluid mixed..... reason for that it is what i lube up my airtools with everyday...
SO i always have some on hand . Give it a try ...you might like it for the frozen pistons like what you had today.
Well if he goes for the repair I would like to see a part 2 ......
Have a great week and like above welcome back !