Paul McCartney had once explained how he thought of it as a compliment when his music was copied, because that meant they couldn't think of anything better.
You can say that when you are an iconic musician and most of your songs are well known. It's harder when you are hardly earning any money off your music and somebody big steals it to make bigger money you will ever earn and won't credit you.
@@bmp2791 sad that this is pretty common even outside the music industry. Take some business companies for example, people get a raise or promotion from stealing others ideas while the other party earns nothing.
He did laugh, because he knows he stole the sample. But he is right. If it had only sold 10,000 copies, then nobody would have given a shit getting their slice of 10k.
@@jasonbossardt9453 For real he IS right. No one would sue if it only sold a few copies. But ,"Ice,Ice baby" still sucks though. Pet rocks sold millions of "copies" to, But that doesn't mean they are "art".
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James Slick The thing is that Ice Ice Baby would have gotten the same success even if they had another sample.
@@IsomerMashups He was probably explaining so that people who don't know about music or the music industry would have a clearer picture about what Vanilla Ice was saying. "What Vanilla Ice is trying to say" is probably just ironically funny, and wasn't meant in a derogatory way to begin with. I still think it's funny though xD
It made me crack up too... like not only can he not write his own riff or give credit where it is due, but he can't even clearly explain why he believes he got "caught"
Although Vanilla Ice’s “cause I added one note so it’s different” statement is hilarious, he is right about publishers only sue a song when it’s extremely successful and famous.
Some of the lawsuits against Uptown Funk are extremely silly and unfair. Like that guitar riff -- I was in jazz band in high school and that riff is like, one of the most common funk music riffs. Wow, a funk song features syncopation and riffs? Who would have thought?
Isaac Thomas I read that Mark Roson was so obsessed with perfecting that guitar part he actually ended up passing out in the studio after hundreds of takes.
This is kinda irrelevant butit's okay lmao. I play bass, and I was practicing under pressure. My cousin came in and said "omg I love ice ice baby!" And I was like, no you uncultured swine
he stole the line from arguably one of the greatest and definitely one of the most popular bands.. how did he think he’d get away with stealing from queen & bowie ??
nova dowdell why is everyone dick riding Queen they are only popular now because of the movie and Wayne’s World so thank them their music isn’t very influential
I wrote a guitar riff that was so unique and different to me at the time. I then heard this exact riff in a song at a Spanish restaurant I later worked at. There was no way this song could have influenced my own, because there was no way I would have heard it previously. I had never listened to Spanish pop music before. The moral of the story is be careful when using the term rip-off. It could simply be a coincidence. I've experienced this first hand.
There only are 8 tones in a scale (if we don't include accidentals). That meanst there is a limit to how many melodies can be written. For example melody 1= 11111; melody 2=11112; ......; melody 12143=12143. which btw is the beginning of happy birthday (c, d, c, f, e). I firmly believe that if we had software into which we could input all the melodies ever written, we would see that the majority of the melodies in songs aren't "original" and had been stumbled upon by someone else.
@@7Volkan6 to an extent yes, but I think part of it is because of how simple music is. If you go back to the early 70s, you can listen to a track called "Child in TIme" by Deep Purple, you will see that they likely had very few problems when it comes to being sued for copyright. The intro is borrowed from another song, which I think had been okayed, and there is a two second bit on the organ that sounds like "Flight of the Bumblebee", but even then, not close enough to be a copyright infringement in my mind. When you write music like that, you are far less likely to copy other works except for people claiming small bits might sound like small bits of their songs. Compare that to a typical rap songs that will play over two chords with a 3 note melody, you are more likely to take someone else's work, even if accidentally. And when it comes to Uptown Funk, I think there is another thing worth mentioning. A genre will typically die out when it has been figured out. Not always, because sometimes someone just does something so different that is succesful and others copy it, but a lot of the time, a genre dies when a style's original sounds becomes harder and harder to find. Van Halen was part of the generation that brought back rock after a few years of a down period because they sounded unlike anything else, and suddenly, all the bands started sounding like Van Halen. Nirvana popularised a whole genre because what they sounded like was "uncharted territory". Funk was never super mainstream I think, but it had it's share of attention 60s-80s, before it started dividing into sub groups that strayed further and further from the original sound. Going back to that style might give you a hit because people forget that sound (or are too young to be familiar with it), but that style died out because it became harder and harder to be creative in it without stepping in other musician's toes, and if you make a song in that style, your song is going to sound like everything else from that time, and some of them might be able to make a case for infringement
About Freddie's reaction to Ice Ice Baby, Peter Freestone wrote: "When he first heard it, Freddie just listened to the start and thought it was Under Pressure being played on the radio again. He carried on eating his breakfast and suddenly stopped, frowning. I thought there was a problem with his food but he said ‘no’. He started listening intently and couldn’t believe his ears. He was smiling when he said that he couldn’t believe what he was hearing…. a blatant rip-off. He got hold of Jim Beach, who was already on the case and left it at that, always remembering that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."
My Sweet Lord may be a rip off but they just sound so different. 1.6M .. how much change did George have on him? Come on that was one of the last good songs he wrote. But not sure why he was so worried ..... he had millions more and he was about the spiritual world not material. .haha
@@michaelmiller7160 cause that was his work. Regardless of how much he had, that was still something that he worked hard on and had every right to protect his work
@@michaelmiller7160 No, that's wrong. They're the exact same song besides the bg singers placement. Now where we agree is that it doesn't mean he ripped it off. He very well could've met and collaborated with someone who also worked with the 50s group. Enough time lapsed, and it's extremely plausible that George didn't know or like that song. Many things come into play here.
“Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different. The good poet welds his theft into a whole of feeling which is unique, utterly different from that from which it was torn.” - T S Eliot There’s a difference between plagiarism and transfiguration that seems to be forgotten all too often.
@@obscurity3027 why is he a tool though? He seems like a nice and respectful guy. He was just trying to make some money. Do you have a reason for not liking him, or just based off face value?
The people trying to sue Mark Ronson are laughable. You can’t sue just because every single funk song uses chicken scratch type guitar licks. If that’s true, then every single funk song ever is about to be sued by Nile Rogers.
later in the interview with roger taylor he said “try and dance yourself outta that one vanilla” and that has got to be one of the funniest things i’ve heard about the ice ice baby shenanigans
Back in the 80s Tom Petty's record label wanted to raise the album price listing on Petty's new release. At the time all new releases were listed at $8.98. MCA wanted to increase the price level to $9.98 like they had with Steely Dan's Gaucho. Petty protested by telling MCA he was planning to call his new album Eight Ninety Eight. MCA responded by not raising the price. I guess Petty's "I Won't Back Down" was an anthem to him label .
@@joeessig3550 He wasn't clear at all. He made a hash of describing the rhythm changes in Ice Ice Baby and in the other interview just sounded like an arrogant twat and took about 3 minutes to say 'My record sold a lot more than most rap records which is why they went after me'.
@@DerekHartley I mean, he's not wrong. Nobody cares if some small artist makes a song with extreme similarities. But, if it's big, there's money to be made. They want credit.
Tom Petty probably thought to himself "I'm not going to sue a band just because we both play a C octave chord to begin our song." Tom wasn't Petty. RIP.
Tom Petty was great songwriter. What he also knows that any great songwriter has appropriated certain elements from their greater songwrriter forebares and influences that nobody caught them for. It's all a matter of how generously you 'adapt' other elements and how much is truly original.
@Ryan Powell I think he was just stating it because it is an unusual thing that you wouldn’t expect. Most of the famous hip hop rappers were not white at the time and he is from Florida, somewhere you wouldn’t expect a rapper. You would more likely expect rappers from NY, LA, Detroit and not Florida which most people see as a place for retirement.
@Frank Lopez Well, you gotta realize. This was before Eminem. Eminem changed everything. Not only did Em become the best selling rap artist (and one of the best selling musicians period) of all time, he changed the rap game forever. Shady isn’t only popular in America, or even western nations, but worldwide.
Joshua Taylor : White being paired with in originality is racist and ignorant. White American culture is so mainstreams and has been for so long that it isn’t easily distinguished from other developed cultures, but it doesn’t make all white people unoriginal.
Vanilla Ice might have been an asshole regarding his use of Under Pressure's sample, but he was absolutely right about how these lawsuits always go for the multi-millionaire record breaking hits, even if there's barely a thing in common between the songs
Sure, it makes sense. Going after someone who has made only a little bit of money off of a song and probably cannot afford to go through the legal process risks resulting in royalties that do not cover the legal costs and make the plaintiff look bad. Regardless, I believe that the lawsuit was warranted in Ice's case. The same with "My Sweet Lord" by Harrison. I dislike the "Blurred Lines" song, but I felt that the lawsuit there was a stretch.
@@AT-rr2xw unfortunately a lot of things have changed since then. at least in Vanilla Ice's time, you could go Gold and still "be under the radar". nowadays, youtube and other platforms have Content ID bots scouring for any similarities to do copyright strikes on youtube. its gotten so bad, that beginner artists are using samples they have paid for as a consumer (buying a sample pack) and getting songs flagged just because they use the same samples that someone else had (which they both got from the same sample packs). its ridiculous.
It's true, but not from a good perspective necessarily. The fact that people can't necessarily afford lawyers, especially for a song that won't get much in royalties, doesn't deflect from the fact that they're still stealing the riff
It's because new artists are barely artists and mainly an image...lyrics written by ghost writers and produced by other people..hell half of the "artists" can't even sing good
@@jasonm9178 well true but it's been like that since the 50's, Elvis never wrote a single song nor did Frank Sinatra. i feel like every generation has the same realisation that nothing's authentic 'anymore'
I believe Zepplin is also pretty chill when it comes to it. They acknowledge they ripped off a lot of blues tracks so they feel it'd be wrong to sue for someone ripping off one of theirs.
My favorite music lawsuit was when John Fogerty was sued for plagiarizing his own music. Fantasy Records owned the rights to "Run Through the Jungle." They (meaning company President Saul Zaentz) sued Fogerty, claiming his song "The Old Man Down the Road" was a rip off of the older CCR song. Zaentz had been called a thief by Fogerty. The songwriter had written a song called "Zanz Can't Dance (But He'll Steal Your Money)," so when someone pointed out to Zaentz that "The Old Man Down the Road" sounded a lot like "Better Run Through the Jungle" he saw this as an opportunity to get back at Fogerty, and so he sued him for copyright infringement. Fogerty won the lawsuit by bringing a guitar into court and demonstrating the differences between the two songs to the jury.
I once read that Jim Morrison wrote "People Are Strange" while taking a walk in the Hollywood Hills. He was at his bandmates house and was depressed over a girl, so he decided to take a walk and that's when the melody came to him. He wrote the lyrics on the spot in order to retain the melody. From my understanding, he used this formula to write many of The Doors greatest songs.
Yea, sometimes melodies just come into your head, Ve created more noise that way than ever trying to sit and force something.. Get on the tar and play it, from there what should come next seems pretty natural to add to mostly.
I love how when you're a drummer you see people arguing about things that sound almost like others when in drums you play things that are so universal that everyone does it
You mean Bouin should sue all those other 3 since it's really "Ah vous dirais-je, Maman". Too bad he wrote it in 1761... a little past its expiration date. Also, it wasn't original even to him either, so...
@@Richard_Nickerson A bit before the concept of copyright was invented is what you mean. The first copyright law came about in 1710 and only covered books. It was intended to promote learning by encouraging publishing of books by removing the monopoly rights of the publishers and vesting them in the authors and the owners of the printed product. It was 1777 before France started following this notion that the author owned a right to publish.
@@DavidBennettPiano I read a story about the origins of Come Together by the Beatles that exemplifies how aware Paul McCartney was of copyright infringement.
Tom Petty was amazing. He didn't care if other people took a little somthin from his music, he *wrote a song for Scooby Doo* and he went on tour with a busted hip. R.I.P Tom Petty
That's cool about the Scooby Doo song. However, he was bothered by Sam Smith allegedly ripping off "I Won't Back Down." They settled the dispute amicably without going to court. I'm sure that some money was exchanged.
7 in each key, 12 notes in western music but the point remains. some of these copyright lawsuits were absolutely absurd. how can u sue someone over 3 chords on guitar and similar drums?
@@ganeshapsychedelicrock4027 because most modern music are based on classical music, classical music splits the frequencies that makes the musical notes into 12 notes with equal spaces between them, that is to make songwriting easier and to allow other musicians to play with each other without sounding off. For example, a song in C major can be played in D major easily, especially if the singer prefers this key or they want to change the feeling of the song. You should listen to some Arabic and Turkish music. Some Arabs would use microtones and quartertones, some would intentionally take a regular scale such as the C major scale, and sharpen or flatten a note slightly and intentionally to make it sound different.
@@ganeshapsychedelicrock4027 the frequency ratio between notes stays the same across keys so you can change keys which is important because you could start on any root note so every key should sound good
My mum’s a teacher and a student got called out for plagiarism from Spark Notes. It was impressive because the plagiarism didn’t even answer the question or follow an essay format! The student was given a 0 but a chance to try again. They submitted the exact same thing but got a thesaurus and changed a few words and structures...
Miguel Bose totally ripped his #1 hit Don DIABLO From L.Russell Brown and Sandy Linzer s song WIGGLE N A GIGGLE ALL NIGHT BOSE LOST AND HAD HIS NAME REMOVED FROM THE COPYRIGHT.
A whiter shade of pale wasn't the only song that Procol Harum took classical inspiration from. To me it seems like lawyers have found a way to tax inspiration. How can you possibly come up with something entirely new without it, in some way, being affected by things you have experienced before.
There is also a little bit of JS Bach in Jimi Hendrix’s Woodstock Improvisation. Other instances also includes him kinda put Beatles’ riffs into his song and improvised them. I mean he basically covered Sgt Pepper three days after the initial release in front of the Beatles, yet even Paul said it’s a wonderful rendition. People don’t call Hendrix a copycat, rather we say Jimi was the most creative guitarist who ever walked on this planet. The issue should not be always focusing on people copying others’ riffs. It’s about how you are able to take those as inspiration and make it your style.
So there's natural minor, harmonic minor, melodic minor, Hungarian minor, Dorian, Phrygian, Ukranian Dorian, Phrigian dominant … Just how many minor modes are there!?
Patrick Reding really there are three main minor scales... Natural, Harmonic and Melodic. Of those, harmonic and natural are by far the most common. Then there are minor modes including Dorian and Phrygian. And beyond that, although other scales have names (like the Hungarian minor) you can just think about them as variations of the main scales I’ve already mentioned. So you may as well think about Hungarian minor as “harmonic minor with a #4” I hope that helps!
Fun little Under Pressure fact is that that sample in question almost didn't exist! John came up with the bass riff and played it to the others and it had been working well. They all took a break (cue Q + Bowie grabbing pizza together) and when they got back in the room he could not remember how it went or what he'd been playing - luckily for planet earth, Rog remembered it (and presumably having ding ding ding dada ding ding sung at him was enough to jog John's memory)
I have to ask this then. Is there any worse diss from a group then then the drummer putting someone in a corner? I know, but the member that gets the least respect according to jokes is the drummer. And yes, I am a drummer.
@@silverdragon710 Some people (like me) love the man and his music so much it's almost like we did know him. Though I never met him, Tom is like a father, brother, and friend to me through his music
There were clear differences in the song too, kind of ridiculous if you ask me. For people who casually listen to music they wouldn’t even notice that both songs are similar at all.
So glad I stumbled across this channel. I love music but am not a musician, so greatly appreciate how you break things down into laypeople terms :-) Keep up the good work!
I’ve always liked music, but as I’ve gotten older - over 35, over 40 - I’m enjoying it more & more! And especially older music, different genres & styles, and the backgrounds & stories behind songs, groups and performances.
That actually made me mad. Ice wasn’t “trying to say” he actually DID say and I understood him completely without the pompous British explanation. I hate it when people say “so what you’re trying to say” or something along those lines. Whoever says things like that feel like they are superior to whoever made the original comment and that their interpretation is necessary because of how much better they are.
@@JonBecker81 not necessarily, repeating or rephrasing what another person says shows that you're actually listening. You can't repeat without really listening. Now, because this is an on camera interview, and the personality clash, you may be right in this case. But don't think it's like that that in every one-on-one conversation.
“Yes but just change it the slightest slightest bit which does absolutely nothing for you because it still sounds the exact same” Think vanilla ice needs to copy homework a bit more carefully
Queen did the same with the bassline to Good Times from Chic on Another One Bites The Dust and never credited them. Instead of changing it a bit, they dumbed it down for their mainstream rock audience.
Aaron Clift but Stairway to Heaven having it’s case overturned may have fixed that. Apparently Blurred Lines is the way it is because the lawyers for Thicke and Pharrell messed up pre-trial motions and were unable to file an appeal.
@@joermnyc But at the same time, they made a conscious effort to mimic the feel and timbre of the entire rhythm section. If I wrote a song that had zero harmonic or melodic similarity to "When The Levee Breaks," but used a sample of John Bonham's drums from that track (or tried to recreate the sound by using the same the pattern and getting the same reverb and echo), that'd be copyright infringement, but if I just had the same drum beat, there wouldn't be an issue (because you can't really copyright a rock drum beat). You have to have more than just a couple of bars of melody to infringe (Robin Thick and Pharrell took an entire rhythm track for Blurred Lines). The My Sweet Lord Decision was right (even John Lennon said George should have mixed it up a bit). I'm also pretty sure George heard He's So Fine more than once (it was a massive hit in both the US and the UK in the 60s). The Stairway Decision set the precedent that you can't copyright line cliche and the subsequent Dark Horse Appeal set the precedent that you can't copyright a scale, so those were good.
Kylie McInnes I don’t think you can say Thick and Pharrell “took an entire rhythm track.” The two pieces are wildly, wildly different apart from a couple of seconds. It’s an attempt to copyright a rhythm and a two note bass phrase. There’s a Legal Eagle TH-cam where he pretty conclusively proves (using the Stairway/Dark Horses) that the outcome of the Blurred Lines case was more bad lawyering than anything else. Complex video, but Neely’s in it for the musician angle too.
I can speak that as a studying composer at university, in the 12-tone scale it would be obvious to hear similar melodies and chord progressions in many pieces of music for certain genres... it happens on accident more than some people would believe. After even a few lessons in music theory, it becomes really stupid hearing about lawsuits involving music/copyright infringement. Everyone borrows, everyone recognizes certain rhythms and chord progressions.
@@skyblazeeterno yes , sample is a very common practice , and it's only using a part of a song to make another part of another song , it's still art , and a lot of songs that a lot of people knows and loves use sample of other song , for reference I have a video of 20 popular US rap song and their samples : th-cam.com/video/dkl-wU2iZR8/w-d-xo.html
There’s a difference between Sampling with credit and just taking it. For example, 1D credited both The Clash and The Who with giving them the idea for the riffs in two of their songs. Ice just took the baseline and the royalties you would normally get out of the then sick Mercury’s mouth.
Like George Harrison said, this would make me never want to release music again. If I was sued, it would completely shake my confidence and I would second guess every musical decision.
I think it was much worse in the beginning because this kind of lawsuits were not so popular. Nowadays we get one of these for almost every big hit so i dont think artists feel so much questioned in their creative process as he was.
@@yvngxchristo It's not her. All produced pop music is just a callback to previous hits. They don't take risks, they just rake money. Every current pop song is an old pop song, reworked with parts of different succesful songs, so that they're just different enough, while bheing something that everyone already likes before they even hear it.
Alexander Eddy yes, and Tom had enough money, and probably owned all his publishing, so there were no other (poor)people's grubby little hands in the pie.
I'm gonna write a program that make millions of combinations to melody and chords progressions, publish all the tunes, wait for someone to create a song that becomes a hit which will statistically have the same notes than one of my song and then sue the artist.... Anyway, copyright is getting ridiculous....
That has already been done. Someone created an algorithm that would produce every conceivable variation of an 8 note melody. It is an interesting watch, th-cam.com/video/sJtm0MoOgiU/w-d-xo.html
OR........ maybe you don't understand copyright law, since there are a myriad of aspects to it, such as the defendant having access to the original tune. If you don't publish and no one hears... you ain't got squat when it comes to rights.
The Doors’ “Hello, I love you” in turn was clearly based on “All Day and all of the Night” (The Kinks). Ray Davies: “The funniest thing was when my publisher came to me on tour and said the Doors had used the riff for "All Day and All of the Night" for "Hello, I Love You", I said rather than sue them, can we just get them to own up? My publisher said, "They have, that’s why we should sue them!" (laughs) Jim Morrison admitted it, which to me was the most important thing. The most important thing, actually, is to take (the idea) somewhere else.”
The doors have ripped off from many songs. Also some are straight up covers.I am not aware how it worked with covers and copyright bacj then, I just hope it was recognized that some songs were covers from some blues artists.
The problem is when you don't give credit and percentage of the publishing rights The Doors sampled and cover many blues songs but they have credit when due Not a rip off
To be fair, Bah Bah Black Sheep/Twinkle twinkle etc is in the public domain. But the opening guitar plucking sample was used without permission and he got some heat for that.
Actually I found another song that's similar to the you didn't have to turd me off part it's by Fleetwood mac I can't remember the song so yeah he took that part
And then there was McCartney, who woke up with the tune of Yesterday in his head and, sure that someone else had written it, asked everybody he knew before he figured out he had written it in a dream. Got to love the original lyrics: Scrambled eggs... Oh my baby, how I love your legs...
Yeah, but he stole "Live and let Die" from Guns 'n Roses, even Paul's daughter knew that ....And how Nine Inch Nails took "Hurt" from Johnny Cash and butchered it.
This is kind of a silly comment chords are the same but melody structure and tempo are endless... Let's not be naive and think these artists don't know what they're doing....
"Why don't you get a job?" By the offspring sounds like obladi oblada by the Beatles. Vampire money by My Chemical romance has elements from the songs ballroom blitz by sweet and pump it up by Elvis Costello
The thing about George Harrison is that he most certainly heard "He's So Fine" at some point in passing, but didn't realize it. He never noticed it, but it seeped into his subconscious and then later manifested in his consciousness as an original idea. In copyright law, saying I've never heard that song before can be a defense, if it can be proven that you've never heard that song. But outside of the song having been recorded and put on a shelf and never released, it's near impossible in the modern age.
Wait, what? So I’m assuming this is under two different record labels? Or writing for two different artists? Either way that’s insane. Imagine standing up in court defending the fact you felt like reusing an old melody of yours cus it fit this new song or whatever.
Imagine if they found out that a few of the big bands like status quo, deep purple, ccr, etc... only used 3 or 4 chords for all of their songs. It can be the same chord structure but different strum pettern and timing and still be a new song. Its almost as if people figured out that the right chords make people feel good, soo they made and sold it like a drug.
When my son was 9 we were driving home from school and he was singing We are the Champions by Queen and he insisted that he had written it himself. He refused to believe that he hadn't.
You could mention "Wish you were here" by Pink Ployd being close to "Almost Independence day" by Van Morrison. Recently I realised that many songs from the Shins sound a lot like "Wine and Dined" by Syd Barrett. "Wait for the summer" from Yeasayer is strongly influenced by "Rain and Snow" by Pentangle, which is a traditionnal tune but Yeasayer didn't mention it.
queen: um can we have our money? vanilla ice: no queen: that's our melody tho... vanilla ice: *no* queen: why?! vanilla ice: i added a clap 100% original queen: **insert surprised pikqchu face**
After the My Sweet Lord/He's So Fine court case, the judge (who was also an amateur opera composer) said to Harrison's lawyer "Actually, I quite like both of those songs." Harrison's lawyer replied "What do you mean BOTH songs! You have just ruled that they are the same song!"
well, i think you can find similar progressions and melodies everywhere. it is virtually impossible to compose a song that doesn't have any elements that have been used before, even if you have never heard them.
George ended up owning the company that published (or previously owned, I’m not sure which) the song “He’s so fine” as well. Good for you George, always a legend ✌️
it's one thing to have similarities to another song it's another thing completely completely another thing to sound exactly like the song over and over and over through verse after verse course after course we're talking two different things similarities a lot of songs can they similar but to be just like it now that's a rip-off that's a piece of s*** that's the person that should have never done that song oh yeah anybody ever know that song by Green Day oh yeah we'll go back 30 years unless you know Joan Jett do you wanna touch they ripped her ass completely they must have paid a fortune for that I guess
"Down Under" writers, Men at Work (Australian iconic band) were suddessfully sued for 5% of royalties for a couple of short quotes in a flute solo (injected very inventively into a completely different musical context, which lifts trite melody snippets from a kids' song, entitled "Kookaburra", to an entirely higher plane). The song writer would almost certainly have been delighted, but they'd written the song half a century earlier and were long gone. The rights had passed to the publishing company, Larrikin, who as far as I'm concerned, live in infamy ever since.
Morfo1010 not really. You can derive income from it for a specific period of time after the death of an artist. For artists who die today, the copyright in original artistic works currently lasts for 70 years from the death of the creator.
Just some Chupacabra with Internet Access well yeah but actually he didn’t he sayed “I’ve never heard nevermind before” in interview but franses (kurts Daughter) alowed it seeing that it was just a vocal progression in one part of the song, but he didn’t do it on purpose allegedly
Paul McCartney had once explained how he thought of it as a compliment when his music was copied, because that meant they couldn't think of anything better.
Good point 😅
You can say that when you are an iconic musician and most of your songs are well known. It's harder when you are hardly earning any money off your music and somebody big steals it to make bigger money you will ever earn and won't credit you.
I thought it was gonna be nice like "Great minds think alike" I was wrong lol
@@bmp2791 sad that this is pretty common even outside the music industry. Take some business companies for example, people get a raise or promotion from stealing others ideas while the other party earns nothing.
imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
Probably the only time ever that someone strengthens their point by stating, "It's like Vanilla Ice said".
every time! it was first: haha vanilla ice is gonna speak and second: huh, he made a really good point.
lemme clarify and say he made good points about the business side. the shit he said about ice ice baby was bs and he knew it.
Yeah it was strangely satisfying to hear Vanilla Ice validated for the first time in world history.
I heard hes actually doing well fronting a Punk/Thrash Rock band on East Coast. @ least b4 th Country shut down anyway
averyellis stole from Queen
Vanilla ice explaining how it's different by adding one extra note made me lose brain cells
Ik right lmao
Yeah he literally added a single 8th note.
HAHAHAHHA I WAS DYING
It's still a joke in our circle
One more note, one less brain cell.
the fact ICE couldn't defend his own argument without laughing at how ridiculous he sounded
Ya, but in his defence like the video said, what he was doing was pretty much the norm in rap
That laugh is known as Duper's Delight.
Copyright is too strong anyway, great artists steal.
Its different. Has an extra ding.
It was worth it tho. Would you do it?
Why does vanilla ice look like a character from lazy town
@@mallypally it is ziggy xD
omg you're right
XD XD
He is
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Even Vanilla Ice himself was laughing as he explained the "difference"
It didn't even SOUND LIKE a change,but merely a bad edit,😛
He did laugh, because he knows he stole the sample. But he is right. If it had only sold 10,000 copies, then nobody would have given a shit getting their slice of 10k.
@@jasonbossardt9453 For real he IS right. No one would sue if it only sold a few copies. But ,"Ice,Ice baby" still sucks though. Pet rocks sold millions of "copies" to, But that doesn't mean they are "art".
James Slick The thing is that Ice Ice Baby would have gotten the same success even if they had another sample.
@ And THAT is why I stopped giving a 🐀's ass about music after about 1985 or so.
"What Vanilla Ice is trying to explain here..."
I don't know why, but that part really cracked me up
But the thing is that even if he's wrong, he communicated his thought process well enough. So, like... did it need to be reiterated?
@@IsomerMashups He was probably explaining so that people who don't know about music or the music industry would have a clearer picture about what Vanilla Ice was saying. "What Vanilla Ice is trying to say" is probably just ironically funny, and wasn't meant in a derogatory way to begin with. I still think it's funny though xD
He is speaking the language of *_R A P_*
He is “trying”
It made me crack up too... like not only can he not write his own riff or give credit where it is due, but he can't even clearly explain why he believes he got "caught"
Although Vanilla Ice’s “cause I added one note so it’s different” statement is hilarious, he is right about publishers only sue a song when it’s extremely successful and famous.
Vanilla Ice may be a douche, but he's much smarter than he lets on.
How else would they know they exist
Some of the lawsuits against Uptown Funk are extremely silly and unfair. Like that guitar riff -- I was in jazz band in high school and that riff is like, one of the most common funk music riffs. Wow, a funk song features syncopation and riffs? Who would have thought?
Isaac Thomas I read that Mark Roson was so obsessed with perfecting that guitar part he actually ended up passing out in the studio after hundreds of takes.
"Syncopated fourths on beat 1 and 3 are only allowed to be in my song" - some greedy guy
Who would have funk?
Song is generic pop nonsense anyway
It's almost like trying to copyright the lick in jazz, or a I-V-iv-VI in pop
Ice Ice Baby sampled Queen’s bassline without even asking. How he thought he was gonna get away with it is beyond me.
This is kinda irrelevant butit's okay lmao. I play bass, and I was practicing under pressure. My cousin came in and said "omg I love ice ice baby!" And I was like, no you uncultured swine
Kaylee Puterbaugh toy story
he stole the line from arguably one of the greatest and definitely one of the most popular bands.. how did he think he’d get away with stealing from queen & bowie ??
nova dowdell why is everyone dick riding Queen they are only popular now because of the movie and Wayne’s World so thank them their music isn’t very influential
@@mitchtrubiscuit7876 lol, that's hilarious dude
“i’m afraid to touch the guitar because i might be touching somebodies note” that hit so hard and is such a relevant statement
matthias • Will ** PLEASE go and kick Don Henley in the balls??
In hindsight he was being overly dramatic. He should’ve just taken the L and kept it moving.
IKR???
Nah. He clearly ripped off the song
Now you know how George Harrison felt with My sweet Lord.
I wrote a guitar riff that was so unique and different to me at the time. I then heard this exact riff in a song at a Spanish restaurant I later worked at. There was no way this song could have influenced my own, because there was no way I would have heard it previously. I had never listened to Spanish pop music before.
The moral of the story is be careful when using the term rip-off. It could simply be a coincidence. I've experienced this first hand.
Yea but that Spanish pop could have gotten it from somewhere. Music is always interchanging between cultures and society.
There only are 8 tones in a scale (if we don't include accidentals). That meanst there is a limit to how many melodies can be written. For example melody 1= 11111; melody 2=11112; ......; melody 12143=12143. which btw is the beginning of happy birthday (c, d, c, f, e).
I firmly believe that if we had software into which we could input all the melodies ever written, we would see that the majority of the melodies in songs aren't "original" and had been stumbled upon by someone else.
@@7Volkan6 i wonder if Mary had a little lamb and London Bridge using the same notes was intentional
I started writing a song recently which accidentally turned into Dear Prudence. I decided to start again.
@@7Volkan6 to an extent yes, but I think part of it is because of how simple music is. If you go back to the early 70s, you can listen to a track called "Child in TIme" by Deep Purple, you will see that they likely had very few problems when it comes to being sued for copyright. The intro is borrowed from another song, which I think had been okayed, and there is a two second bit on the organ that sounds like "Flight of the Bumblebee", but even then, not close enough to be a copyright infringement in my mind. When you write music like that, you are far less likely to copy other works except for people claiming small bits might sound like small bits of their songs. Compare that to a typical rap songs that will play over two chords with a 3 note melody, you are more likely to take someone else's work, even if accidentally. And when it comes to Uptown Funk, I think there is another thing worth mentioning. A genre will typically die out when it has been figured out. Not always, because sometimes someone just does something so different that is succesful and others copy it, but a lot of the time, a genre dies when a style's original sounds becomes harder and harder to find. Van Halen was part of the generation that brought back rock after a few years of a down period because they sounded unlike anything else, and suddenly, all the bands started sounding like Van Halen. Nirvana popularised a whole genre because what they sounded like was "uncharted territory". Funk was never super mainstream I think, but it had it's share of attention 60s-80s, before it started dividing into sub groups that strayed further and further from the original sound. Going back to that style might give you a hit because people forget that sound (or are too young to be familiar with it), but that style died out because it became harder and harder to be creative in it without stepping in other musician's toes, and if you make a song in that style, your song is going to sound like everything else from that time, and some of them might be able to make a case for infringement
About Freddie's reaction to Ice Ice Baby, Peter Freestone wrote: "When he first heard it, Freddie just listened to the start and thought it was Under Pressure being played on the radio again. He carried on eating his breakfast and suddenly stopped, frowning. I thought there was a problem with his food but he said ‘no’. He started listening intently and couldn’t believe his ears. He was smiling when he said that he couldn’t believe what he was hearing…. a blatant rip-off. He got hold of Jim Beach, who was already on the case and left it at that, always remembering that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."
My Sweet Lord may be a rip off but they just sound so different. 1.6M .. how much change did George have on him? Come on that was one of the last good songs he wrote. But not sure why he was so worried ..... he had millions more and he was about the spiritual world not material. .haha
@@michaelmiller7160 cause that was his work. Regardless of how much he had, that was still something that he worked hard on and had every right to protect his work
@ghost mall this comment deserves everything 😂
@@michaelmiller7160 No, that's wrong. They're the exact same song besides the bg singers placement. Now where we agree is that it doesn't mean he ripped it off. He very well could've met and collaborated with someone who also worked with the 50s group. Enough time lapsed, and it's extremely plausible that George didn't know or like that song. Many things come into play here.
@ghost mall Asking the real questions! 😂
“a white rapper from florida with a funny haircut”-roger taylor HAHAHAH
Kaia Drori the king (should i say queen) of throwing shade
he's honestly so iconic
Why is that so funny that you have to go “HAHAHAH”?!
yeah, ROGER 😂 hahahahahahahaha 😂😂😂😂😂
YAS QUEEN 💅🏻
I love how Tom Petty is actually the complete opposite of petty
@@Lloyd-Franklin i wouldnt blame the artist, the labels are the ones who own their music, theyre the ones moneygrabbing
@VinnieSmyyth I don't think that's what Lloyd meant. I think it was more of an "artist being the opposite of their last name" thing.
He's almost like A Boy Named Sue.
Probably helped that the rip-off is bland compared to what Petty composed.
@@Lloyd-Franklin Cilla Black's real name was Cilla White, but a journalist got it mixed up and she decided to keep it
“Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different. The good poet welds his theft into a whole of feeling which is unique, utterly different from that from which it was torn.” - T S Eliot
There’s a difference between plagiarism and transfiguration that seems to be forgotten all too often.
How does this only have 15 likes
@@cacomelon4768 im suprised it has that many tbh
Bravo.
"What Vanilla Ice is trying to say here" is such marvelous shade.
He's trying to say "Ding-ding-ding-diggy-ding-ding...
How about everybody agreed to stop using that term shade sounds quite ghetto
@@tomlewis5542 is that your only problem with using the term “shade” lol
They added an 8th note. That's it.
@@obscurity3027 why is he a tool though? He seems like a nice and respectful guy. He was just trying to make some money. Do you have a reason for not liking him, or just based off face value?
The people trying to sue Mark Ronson are laughable. You can’t sue just because every single funk song uses chicken scratch type guitar licks. If that’s true, then every single funk song ever is about to be sued by Nile Rogers.
That's where i was landing on this. Am i allowed to play a dotted 16th note as a rhythmic support or are all those taken?
Suddenly everyone is going to owe Nile Rogers a lot of money
@@imchipjames one 32nd, thats all you get!
The credit for the ‘don’t believe me just watch’ lyric is so stupid
@@leehamlet5900no it ain’t if u listen to Trinidad’s song it’s more than just that little part
later in the interview with roger taylor he said “try and dance yourself outta that one vanilla” and that has got to be one of the funniest things i’ve heard about the ice ice baby shenanigans
LMAO he always throws the perfect shade
Next thing you know there will be a Dance Off between Van ice and R.T .
Tom Petty was such a gentleman. Bless his soul, he was a legend.
Legends never die. So I would say Petty is a legend. 😁
@@InstantGiblets absolutely. He was so much fun too. Just the kind of guy you love. 🤗
he was a tweaker who died of his addiction.
Back in the 80s Tom Petty's record label wanted to raise the album price listing on Petty's new release. At the time all new releases were listed at $8.98. MCA wanted to increase the price level to $9.98 like they had with Steely Dan's Gaucho. Petty protested by telling MCA he was planning to call his new album Eight Ninety Eight. MCA responded by not raising the price. I guess Petty's "I Won't Back Down" was an anthem to him label .
@@joshuakosch6475 actually he didn’t die from his addiction he kicked all drugs in the 90s you are one very ignorant individual
What Vanilla Ice is 'trying to say', made me laugh when you said that twice, clearly he wasnt capable of saying much
To be fair, he was pretty clear in both of the interviews. But I get it, he’s a dummy and that’s funny.
@@joeessig3550 He wasn't clear at all. He made a hash of describing the rhythm changes in Ice Ice Baby and in the other interview just sounded like an arrogant twat and took about 3 minutes to say 'My record sold a lot more than most rap records which is why they went after me'.
Queen: NOOOOO YOU CAN'T STEAL THE RHYTHM WITHOUT PAYING ROYALTIES
Vanilla Ice: hahaha this song goes ding ding ding
His speaking is like his singing. Fake.
@@DerekHartley I mean, he's not wrong. Nobody cares if some small artist makes a song with extreme similarities. But, if it's big, there's money to be made. They want credit.
Vanilla Ice: explains something in the worst way
David Bennett: *what vanilla ice is trying to say is*
Rogerina is mad
Vanilla ice is just so trash
Tom Petty probably thought to himself "I'm not going to sue a band just because we both play a C octave chord to begin our song." Tom wasn't Petty. RIP.
1996thrh nice 👍🏾 pun... thought 💭 of the same pun though.
well, TECHNICALLY American Girl starts on a D octave chord and was pitch adjusted to match Last Nite. But yes, good on him for not caring lol
Tom Petty was great songwriter. What he also knows that any great songwriter has appropriated certain elements from their greater songwrriter forebares and influences that nobody caught them for. It's all a matter of how generously you 'adapt' other elements and how much is truly original.
he sued sam smith lol
@@mykecaouette4940 his record company sued Smith.
"he's a white rapper from florida" is the definition of throwing shade without technically throwing shade, gotta love Roger
@Ryan Powell yes
@Ryan Powell I think he was just stating it because it is an unusual thing that you wouldn’t expect. Most of the famous hip hop rappers were not white at the time and he is from Florida, somewhere you wouldn’t expect a rapper. You would more likely expect rappers from NY, LA, Detroit and not Florida which most people see as a place for retirement.
@Frank Lopez Well, you gotta realize. This was before Eminem. Eminem changed everything. Not only did Em become the best selling rap artist (and one of the best selling musicians period) of all time, he changed the rap game forever. Shady isn’t only popular in America, or even western nations, but worldwide.
He' saying he's not authentic/original anyway, e.g. what should we have expected.
Joshua Taylor : White being paired with in originality is racist and ignorant. White American culture is so mainstreams and has been for so long that it isn’t easily distinguished from other developed cultures, but it doesn’t make all white people unoriginal.
Vanilla Ice might have been an asshole regarding his use of Under Pressure's sample, but he was absolutely right about how these lawsuits always go for the multi-millionaire record breaking hits, even if there's barely a thing in common between the songs
Sure, it makes sense. Going after someone who has made only a little bit of money off of a song and probably cannot afford to go through the legal process risks resulting in royalties that do not cover the legal costs and make the plaintiff look bad.
Regardless, I believe that the lawsuit was warranted in Ice's case. The same with "My Sweet Lord" by Harrison. I dislike the "Blurred Lines" song, but I felt that the lawsuit there was a stretch.
@@AT-rr2xw unfortunately a lot of things have changed since then. at least in Vanilla Ice's time, you could go Gold and still "be under the radar". nowadays, youtube and other platforms have Content ID bots scouring for any similarities to do copyright strikes on youtube. its gotten so bad, that beginner artists are using samples they have paid for as a consumer (buying a sample pack) and getting songs flagged just because they use the same samples that someone else had (which they both got from the same sample packs). its ridiculous.
It's true, but not from a good perspective necessarily. The fact that people can't necessarily afford lawyers, especially for a song that won't get much in royalties, doesn't deflect from the fact that they're still stealing the riff
First rule of lawsuits: if you're seeking damages you don't sue poor people.
It doesn't make it right that he did it without giving credit though. I always get him mixed up with Snow. I always forget who's who.
Uptown Funk: exists
Every Funk Band: *Our Property*
I know. How many songs staked a claim on Uptown Funk? I lost track.
I think there were 5.
Add "Jungle Love" by "The Time" to the list.
It's because new artists are barely artists and mainly an image...lyrics written by ghost writers and produced by other people..hell half of the "artists" can't even sing good
@@jasonm9178 well true but it's been like that since the 50's, Elvis never wrote a single song nor did Frank Sinatra. i feel like every generation has the same realisation that nothing's authentic 'anymore'
I like how the only artist who isn't petty about getting his music "stolen" is Tom Petty.
Actually, he sued Sam Smith.
I believe Zepplin is also pretty chill when it comes to it. They acknowledge they ripped off a lot of blues tracks so they feel it'd be wrong to sue for someone ripping off one of theirs.
@@bluemarlin6806 He didn't, he had a co writer Jeff Lynn and he sued
@@bluemarlin6806 Wasn't him that sued, was the others who had credit on the track
he doesn't want to live like a refugee
My favorite music lawsuit was when John Fogerty was sued for plagiarizing his own music. Fantasy Records owned the rights to "Run Through the Jungle." They (meaning company President Saul Zaentz) sued Fogerty, claiming his song "The Old Man Down the Road" was a rip off of the older CCR song.
Zaentz had been called a thief by Fogerty. The songwriter had written a song called "Zanz Can't Dance (But He'll Steal Your Money)," so when someone pointed out to Zaentz that "The Old Man Down the Road" sounded a lot like "Better Run Through the Jungle" he saw this as an opportunity to get back at Fogerty, and so he sued him for copyright infringement. Fogerty won the lawsuit by bringing a guitar into court and demonstrating the differences between the two songs to the jury.
I also heard the judge made a statement along the lines of "You can't sue Fogarty for sounding too much like Fogarty."
Lmao
The song was changed to "Vanz Can't Dance" before release.
There's a beautiful counterpart to this:
Neil Young was sued by Geffen Records... for _not sounding like Neil Young!_
The lawsuit was unsuccessful.
I once read that Jim Morrison wrote "People Are Strange" while taking a walk in the Hollywood Hills. He was at his bandmates house and was depressed over a girl, so he decided to take a walk and that's when the melody came to him. He wrote the lyrics on the spot in order to retain the melody. From my understanding, he used this formula to write many of The Doors greatest songs.
Yea, sometimes melodies just come into your head,
Ve created more noise that way than ever trying to sit and force something..
Get on the tar and play it, from there what should come next seems pretty natural to add to mostly.
most morrisons songs were poems he wrote.
He was a terrible singer tho
How about shadow of the day and with or without you? I can hear it. I love both songs though.
THATS HOW I WRITE SONGS!!!!
I love how when you're a drummer you see people arguing about things that sound almost like others when in drums you play things that are so universal that everyone does it
Lmao , Definitely! Sometimes the songs they even mention to compare are the songs you're not even familiar with😂
He's much more than a drummer. He writes some of the music and sings too.
@@robertwheatley8809 who? Who's more than a drummer?
@@peterlittle4357 I think I was talking about queens roger Taylor
Dana Carey of tool says good luck copying my beats..
*ABC need to sue twinkle twinkle little star* the guy deserved royalty
Ikr, I hope David talks about this in his next video 😂
Haniff Mohd - Twinkle Twinkle came before ABC. Mozart wrote it as a variation on a French Nursery Rhyme. I get the joke though... good One...
Public Property now. Not eligible for copyright
You mean Bouin should sue all those other 3 since it's really "Ah vous dirais-je, Maman".
Too bad he wrote it in 1761... a little past its expiration date. Also, it wasn't original even to him either, so...
@@Richard_Nickerson A bit before the concept of copyright was invented is what you mean. The first copyright law came about in 1710 and only covered books. It was intended to promote learning by encouraging publishing of books by removing the monopoly rights of the publishers and vesting them in the authors and the owners of the printed product. It was 1777 before France started following this notion that the author owned a right to publish.
"he's a white rapper from Florida with a funny haircut"
That went 5x.
@Frank Lopez no he made good points
@Frank Lopez doesn’t matter he made points
@Frank Lopez the point is its funny can’t you read Frank
Rogah
“White rapper in Florida with a funny haircut” 😂
Zep Langston music 😆
Nice video David
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Gotta love Roger Taylor!
Lmao actually reminds me of a few friends from high school
so what ive learnt is funk is illegal
DoNOTannoyKarina got to have that funk
@@DavidBennettPiano To paraphrase George Clinton, "Funk! It Ain't Illegal Yet!"
@@DavidBennettPiano I read a story about the origins of Come Together by the Beatles that exemplifies how aware Paul McCartney was of copyright infringement.
Come Together was written by Lennon.
THIS IS NOT FAIR
I WANT MORE FUNK OR ELSE I WILL COME COUNTLESS WAR CRIMES
Tom Petty was amazing. He didn't care if other people took a little somthin from his music, he *wrote a song for Scooby Doo* and he went on tour with a busted hip.
R.I.P Tom Petty
That's cool about the Scooby Doo song. However, he was bothered by Sam Smith allegedly ripping off "I Won't Back Down." They settled the dispute amicably without going to court. I'm sure that some money was exchanged.
Tom petty was a class act!
@@robf6105 i didn't know that
Sure he cared, know the facts. He sued the pants off of Sam Smith when "Stay with Me" was released. It was basically "Won't back down."
@@vzeller what's funny is that he stole the riff from every breath you take.
I think, with only 7 root notes in the whole musical universe, it's pretty remarkable that every song doesn't sound the same.
7 in each key, 12 notes in western music but the point remains. some of these copyright lawsuits were absolutely absurd. how can u sue someone over 3 chords on guitar and similar drums?
@@rootsgrassusa Yep, all desiged to feed the "Fat Cats" Ahha, more than likely, does anyone know why we play in 440hz instead of 432hz?
@@ganeshapsychedelicrock4027 because most modern music are based on classical music, classical music splits the frequencies that makes the musical notes into 12 notes with equal spaces between them, that is to make songwriting easier and to allow other musicians to play with each other without sounding off. For example, a song in C major can be played in D major easily, especially if the singer prefers this key or they want to change the feeling of the song.
You should listen to some Arabic and Turkish music. Some Arabs would use microtones and quartertones, some would intentionally take a regular scale such as the C major scale, and sharpen or flatten a note slightly and intentionally to make it sound different.
12 notes
@@ganeshapsychedelicrock4027 the frequency ratio between notes stays the same across keys so you can change keys which is important because you could start on any root note so every key should sound good
I love how you translated everything Vanilla Ice said.
lol
Teacher: you plagiarized this paper
Vanilla Ice: No I didn’t!! I changed this word right here
😂😂😂
Noah Derkos What
Vanilla is a lazy student
Chocolate is getting a scholarship
Lol 😂
Me holding a presentation:
My teacher: You stole that text from wikipedia
Me: Nooo, I changed that word, see?
My mum’s a teacher and a student got called out for plagiarism from Spark Notes. It was impressive because the plagiarism didn’t even answer the question or follow an essay format! The student was given a 0 but a chance to try again. They submitted the exact same thing but got a thesaurus and changed a few words and structures...
That Jim Morrison photo is iconic.
Nah the one when his filiming ray on TV is the best
Agreed
@@parkerreese9438 so is his mugshot. He has tons of iconic photos
I knew a schizophrenic guy who thought he was Jim Morrison. I will never think of Jim the same again
Miguel Bose totally ripped his #1 hit Don DIABLO
From L.Russell Brown and Sandy Linzer s song
WIGGLE N A GIGGLE ALL NIGHT
BOSE LOST AND HAD HIS NAME REMOVED FROM THE COPYRIGHT.
The keyboard intro to A Whiter Shade of Pale by Procol Harum (1967) is almost 100% Sleepers Awake by J.S. Bach. How did they get away with it?
Public domain
Yep, Bach is out of copyright.
A whiter shade of pale wasn't the only song that Procol Harum took classical inspiration from. To me it seems like lawyers have found a way to tax inspiration. How can you possibly come up with something entirely new without it, in some way, being affected by things you have experienced before.
There is also a little bit of JS Bach in Jimi Hendrix’s Woodstock Improvisation.
Other instances also includes him kinda put Beatles’ riffs into his song and improvised them. I mean he basically covered Sgt Pepper three days after the initial release in front of the Beatles, yet even Paul said it’s a wonderful rendition.
People don’t call Hendrix a copycat, rather we say Jimi was the most creative guitarist who ever walked on this planet.
The issue should not be always focusing on people copying others’ riffs. It’s about how you are able to take those as inspiration and make it your style.
Yep... I don't care what song you're talking about... Bach did it first, and probably better... 🖖
"What Vanilla Ice is trying to say here..."
This made me laugh. It's like he needs translating.
Yep lol. He’s too inarticulate to get his point across
What Vanilla ice said was the truth though.
@DVN, technically yes, but he's still an inarticulate dumbass.
"Hes a white rapper from Florida great right with a funny hair cut." I love Roger XD
I totally agree. Roger Waters and Roger Daltrey are awesome guys!
Andra sidan sjön roger taylor
Rock-n-roll will never die
@@UNKNOWNe-wm6zl true dat
Love it
So there's natural minor, harmonic minor, melodic minor, Hungarian minor, Dorian, Phrygian, Ukranian Dorian, Phrigian dominant … Just how many minor modes are there!?
Patrick Reding really there are three main minor scales... Natural, Harmonic and Melodic.
Of those, harmonic and natural are by far the most common.
Then there are minor modes including Dorian and Phrygian.
And beyond that, although other scales have names (like the Hungarian minor) you can just think about them as variations of the main scales I’ve already mentioned. So you may as well think about Hungarian minor as “harmonic minor with a #4”
I hope that helps!
12Tone has just released a video about modes, you should check it out! Turns out there are a LOT 😂
@@DavidBennettPiano
My brain hurts ...... =^>
There's also Melodic Minor.
Just leaving the smol bit of musical knowledge i do have here.
12Tone also recommends this incredibly interesting site fyi:
ianring.com/musictheory/scales/
Fun little Under Pressure fact is that that sample in question almost didn't exist! John came up with the bass riff and played it to the others and it had been working well. They all took a break (cue Q + Bowie grabbing pizza together) and when they got back in the room he could not remember how it went or what he'd been playing - luckily for planet earth, Rog remembered it (and presumably having ding ding ding dada ding ding sung at him was enough to jog John's memory)
The moment when Vanilla Ice was roasted by a member of Queen
"He is just a white rapper from Florida with a funny haircut" 🤣🤣🤣
kh22912 and at the end of the interview Roger goes “Dance your way out of that one Vanilla” ahahahhaha yes Roger is a savage
That’s how you know you f***ed up
Ice roasts himself, looking like that. Guy from Queen literally just gives an apt description of him lol.
@@mitchelltyler5972 I haven't seen that part yet but I'm willing to bet it was probably Roger
I have to ask this then. Is there any worse diss from a group then then the drummer putting someone in a corner? I know, but the member that gets the least respect according to jokes is the drummer. And yes, I am a drummer.
Tom Petty was a good dude. And an incredible songwriter. Miss him.
Indeed. He only made Sam Smith pay him 12.5% of the royalties for "Stay with me". I mean, it could have been worse!
Johan Lindbäck Yeah Sam Smith should consider himself lucky. He “got lucky” 😉
you knew him personally?
@@silverdragon710 Some people (like me) love the man and his music so much it's almost like we did know him. Though I never met him, Tom is like a father, brother, and friend to me through his music
The funk thing is silly, it's like copywriting a 12 bar blues. You just can't.
Wolfgang Seriously, who funking cares?
@@MasterNcognito I funking care now pay me 5 mill because you played a open chord
Shouldn’t all those artists be suing each other though? If they all say his song is the same as theirs, then wouldn’t those songs also be the same?
@@joedav67 They didn't make alot to sue for so they sued the one that made alot of money
The strokes "bad decisions" is identical to "dancing with myself"
Ya bc it was co-written by Billie Joel and done on purpose lol
@@joshuabrunetta4656 Do you mean Billie Idol?
@@falconier1979 ya my bad. Daddy was highhhhh last night
That George Harrison incident was indeed scary for young musicians who are trying their best to write songs. Coincidence indeed happen that way.
Well it never would have happened if it wasnt George Harrison, so most young musicians are probably safe, although it is quite scary
There were clear differences in the song too, kind of ridiculous if you ask me. For people who casually listen to music they wouldn’t even notice that both songs are similar at all.
I never realised until it got pitch corrected to be in the same key wow
I guess never write a boring predictable song, and you won't fall into the trap…
@@j_freed of sounding like a jerk? You obviously know.
Vanilla Ice looks like a Vice City character
😂
Vanilla Ice just looks plain stupid
@@timmytoms__ hahahaha
Tommy vercetti, yeaah didn't think they'd ever let him out
Vice city looks like vanilla ice...theres quite a few years before vc was out ...that interview close to 30 yrs old obviously older than xbox or ps
I'm a simple man.
If I see Jim Morrison on a thumbnail, I just click
I see that you're a man of taste 👍
@@iamgroot6965 Agreed, The Doors are legendary
perfect clickbait!
@@ziggycat7504 it's not clickbait if he actually talked about him
Jim Morrison will always be The Man
So glad I stumbled across this channel. I love music but am not a musician, so greatly appreciate how you break things down into laypeople terms :-) Keep up the good work!
I’ve always liked music, but as I’ve gotten older - over 35, over 40 - I’m enjoying it more & more! And especially older music, different genres & styles, and the backgrounds & stories behind songs, groups and performances.
Vanilla Ice: You know what I'm saying
Mr. David Piano: So what Vanilla Ice is saying.
*trying to say
That actually made me mad. Ice wasn’t “trying to say” he actually DID say and I understood him completely without the pompous British explanation. I hate it when people say “so what you’re trying to say” or something along those lines. Whoever says things like that feel like they are superior to whoever made the original comment and that their interpretation is necessary because of how much better they are.
@@JonBecker81 not necessarily, repeating or rephrasing what another person says shows that you're actually listening. You can't repeat without really listening. Now, because this is an on camera interview, and the personality clash, you may be right in this case. But don't think it's like that that in every one-on-one conversation.
the confident gleam in Vanilla Ice's eyes as he says adding one 8th note to the Under Pressure hook makes it his is what gets me
"Hey, Queen can I copy your homework?" "Yea, just change it up a bit so it doesn't look obvious you copied."
“Yes but just change it the slightest slightest bit which does absolutely nothing for you because it still sounds the exact same”
Think vanilla ice needs to copy homework a bit more carefully
Ding
Queen did the same with the bassline to Good Times from Chic on Another One Bites The Dust and never credited them. Instead of changing it a bit, they dumbed it down for their mainstream rock audience.
Ha ha fuckin geez🤣
More like, secretly steals it photocopies it and changes the name at the top then secretly gives it back
YOO WHEN I HEARD THE PLANTS VS ZOMBIES THEME I BURST OUT LAUGHING.
Vanilla ice: we added 1 extra note so it’s totally different.
Everybody: yeah... no!
The “Blurred Lines” case decision has completely messed up song copyright law.
Aaron Clift but Stairway to Heaven having it’s case overturned may have fixed that. Apparently Blurred Lines is the way it is because the lawyers for Thicke and Pharrell messed up pre-trial motions and were unable to file an appeal.
@@joermnyc But at the same time, they made a conscious effort to mimic the feel and timbre of the entire rhythm section. If I wrote a song that had zero harmonic or melodic similarity to "When The Levee Breaks," but used a sample of John Bonham's drums from that track (or tried to recreate the sound by using the same the pattern and getting the same reverb and echo), that'd be copyright infringement, but if I just had the same drum beat, there wouldn't be an issue (because you can't really copyright a rock drum beat). You have to have more than just a couple of bars of melody to infringe (Robin Thick and Pharrell took an entire rhythm track for Blurred Lines). The My Sweet Lord Decision was right (even John Lennon said George should have mixed it up a bit). I'm also pretty sure George heard He's So Fine more than once (it was a massive hit in both the US and the UK in the 60s).
The Stairway Decision set the precedent that you can't copyright line cliche and the subsequent Dark Horse Appeal set the precedent that you can't copyright a scale, so those were good.
Kylie McInnes I don’t think you can say Thick and Pharrell “took an entire rhythm track.” The two pieces are wildly, wildly different apart from a couple of seconds. It’s an attempt to copyright a rhythm and a two note bass phrase. There’s a Legal Eagle TH-cam where he pretty conclusively proves (using the Stairway/Dark Horses) that the outcome of the Blurred Lines case was more bad lawyering than anything else. Complex video, but Neely’s in it for the musician angle too.
On topic, the song ROLLIN' from the k-pop group Twice lifted their intro from Blurred Lines
You might even say it's blurred the lines of what's infringement
2:55 Me explaining the teacher that I didn’t copy the classmates homework.
😂😂😂
“No, no, no. You seen that extra comma right there?”
I can speak that as a studying composer at university, in the 12-tone scale it would be obvious to hear similar melodies and chord progressions in many pieces of music for certain genres... it happens on accident more than some people would believe.
After even a few lessons in music theory, it becomes really stupid hearing about lawsuits involving music/copyright infringement. Everyone borrows, everyone recognizes certain rhythms and chord progressions.
So by Ice's logic, stealing is acceptable as long as the owners don't catch you? Florida man.
Copying or using music is NOT stealing
@@skyblazeeterno yes , sample is a very common practice , and it's only using a part of a song to make another part of another song , it's still art , and a lot of songs that a lot of people knows and loves use sample of other song , for reference I have a video of 20 popular US rap song and their samples : th-cam.com/video/dkl-wU2iZR8/w-d-xo.html
There’s a difference between Sampling with credit and just taking it. For example, 1D credited both The Clash and The Who with giving them the idea for the riffs in two of their songs. Ice just took the baseline and the royalties you would normally get out of the then sick Mercury’s mouth.
It's the code of the ghetto...that Robert Van Winkle has no connection to.
Like George Harrison said, this would make me never want to release music again. If I was sued, it would completely shake my confidence and I would second guess every musical decision.
I think it was much worse in the beginning because this kind of lawsuits were not so popular. Nowadays we get one of these for almost every big hit so i dont think artists feel so much questioned in their creative process as he was.
Don't worry about it I've ripped off soon many songs and I'm rich as Funk you up rich as Funk you up -Mark Ronson
he's so obviously lying though
He should have just confessed that he copied, and settled out of court.
Led Zeppelin did that several times.
Poor George lol
Clicked because Jim Morrison
I respected Billie before, don't liked, just respected. But now she's messing up with my favorite band, YOU'LL DIE-
same
Didn’t we all
Same
@@yvngxchristo It's not her. All produced pop music is just a callback to previous hits.
They don't take risks, they just rake money.
Every current pop song is an old pop song, reworked with parts of different succesful songs, so that they're just different enough, while bheing something that everyone already likes before they even hear it.
"it's literally plants vs zombies"
ah yes, a woman of culture
Thank you @ghost mall , I needed this
@ghost mall 'literally' is just used for emphasis now bro
@ghost mall Yea, welcome to modern language, pal.
@ghost mall you literally missed the point bro
@@maximillianford9301 just because the majority use that word incorrectly doesn't mean they're right. That's not how grammar works.
So what you’re saying is that Tom Petty was just a phenomenal person who loved the music.
Alexander Eddy yes, and Tom had enough money, and probably owned all his publishing, so there were no other (poor)people's grubby little hands in the pie.
You could say that Petty wasn't being... petty
That's the thing, most people that get sued, aren't by the people who wrote the original, it's the right holders.
Yeah everyone needs to be more like him.
I'm gonna write a program that make millions of combinations to melody and chords progressions, publish all the tunes, wait for someone to create a song that becomes a hit which will statistically have the same notes than one of my song and then sue the artist.... Anyway, copyright is getting ridiculous....
That has already been done. Someone created an algorithm that would produce every conceivable variation of an 8 note melody. It is an interesting watch, th-cam.com/video/sJtm0MoOgiU/w-d-xo.html
For real man! Its ridiculous
OR........ maybe you don't understand copyright law, since there are a myriad of aspects to it, such as the defendant having access to the original tune.
If you don't publish and no one hears... you ain't got squat when it comes to rights.
Capitalism kills creativity. This is a prime example.
@@yondie491 that's why the OP said he's gonna publish all of those tunes
The Doors’ “Hello, I love you” in turn was clearly based on “All Day and all of the Night” (The Kinks).
Ray Davies: “The funniest thing was when my publisher came to me on tour and said the Doors had used the riff for "All Day and All of the Night" for "Hello, I Love You", I said rather than sue them, can we just get them to own up? My publisher said, "They have, that’s why we should sue them!" (laughs) Jim Morrison admitted it, which to me was the most important thing. The most important thing, actually, is to take (the idea) somewhere else.”
The doors have ripped off from many songs. Also some are straight up covers.I am not aware how it worked with covers and copyright bacj then, I just hope it was recognized that some songs were covers from some blues artists.
The problem is when you don't give credit and percentage of the publishing rights The Doors sampled and cover many blues songs but they have credit when due Not a rip off
@@Αναστασία-η7ξRay Manzerak was born in Chicago Southside. Southside Chicago blues are better than blues of other places.
08:12 well Tom Petty’s “Mary Jane’s Last Dance” also sounds suspiciously like the Jayhawks’ “Waiting for the Sun”
Theirs does "ding ding ding dingy ding ding, din dingy ding dingy ding ding", and ours goes "ding ding ding dingy ding ding TSSSS, din dingy ding dingy ding ding" ------ 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Theirs does "ding ding ding dingy ding ding, din dingy ding dingy ding ding", and ours goes "ding ding ding dingy ding ding TSSSS, din dingy ding dingy ding ding" ------ 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@iamtheralwus ...
why is his eyebrow up the whole time WHY IS HE SMILING JONTRON WAS RIGHT HE IS JUST A EGG
vanilla ice:
"their song goes ringdingdingdingdingdingding ringdingdingdingdingdingding"
but our goes "ringdingdingdingdingdingding.. ding! ringdingdingdingdingdingding... ding!"
ok dude
I saw this comment before reaching that part of the video and though it must have been a joke lmao
“It’s not the same”
LOL Ask Alexa the difference
Exactly, glad you see the obvious difference.
No but there different. lol
“White rapper in Florida with a funny haircut” That made me laugh
Gotye "Some body that I used to know" is a dressed up "bah bah black sheep"
To be fair, Bah Bah Black Sheep/Twinkle twinkle etc is in the public domain. But the opening guitar plucking sample was used without permission and he got some heat for that.
Actually I found another song that's similar to the you didn't have to turd me off part it's by Fleetwood mac I can't remember the song so yeah he took that part
Trinidad sampled Too Short and Too Short sampled HIS song. 😂
Therapist: pitch-shifted Jim Morrison isn't real, he can't hurt you
Me: *sweats in **0:34*
Loll
I thought I was going crazy
Genuinely annoyed me lol
And then there was McCartney, who woke up with the tune of Yesterday in his head and, sure that someone else had written it, asked everybody he knew before he figured out he had written it in a dream.
Got to love the original lyrics: Scrambled eggs... Oh my baby, how I love your legs...
Scrambled eggs....
Oh my baby how I love your legs
There's an scrambled egg on my dish
Oh I'd love, to eat a fish...
Yeah, but he stole "Live and let Die" from Guns 'n Roses, even Paul's daughter knew that ....And how Nine Inch Nails took "Hurt" from Johnny Cash and butchered it.
@@babaroga73. Johnny Cash did a cover of Hurt. Nine inch nails is the original artist.
@@babaroga73 lmao you are slow
@@tohm9070 ...and you are whooosh
Add Rick James “Super Freak” vs MC Hammer “Can’t touch this”. Find the Bankrate interview James spoke about artist sampling his music.
There are only so many chords so sometimes things will sound similar.
This is kind of a silly comment chords are the same but melody structure and tempo are endless... Let's not be naive and think these artists don't know what they're doing....
Vanilla ice: "its not the same"
So that was a lie.
Ding ding ding ding ding
It wasn't
@@blueprint7 Have you heard the bassline? Yes it’s a lie cause it was the same, stop defending him
@@saraa136 No it wasn't. There was an extra eighth note. There was a lawsuit because of the recording being used without credit
"Why don't you get a job?" By the offspring sounds like obladi oblada by the Beatles. Vampire money by My Chemical romance has elements from the songs ballroom blitz by sweet and pump it up by Elvis Costello
I feel a third video coming on....
RICHARD MARTINEZ Blitzkrieg Bop is by The Ramones
William Bigham perhaps he confused Ballroom Blitz with Blitzkrieg Bop?
@@joermnyc 💯% thanks for the correction
RICHARD MARTINEZ I know! I listen to both bands and both songs sound a bit like each other.
I remember pointing out to my friends that “Bury a Friend” shares a similarity to “People are Strange” and they thought I was crazy lmao.
Totally does, first time I heard the song I thought of people are strange. I am a Doors fan, I don't think many fans of Billie Ellish know The Doors.
Brinky Brinkz they’re the ones who say they listen to every kind of music but have probably never heard of the lizard king, Mr.Morrison
Same here
I love both songs and never noticed. Still don't see it.
It was obvious to me the first time I heard the Eilish song that is was a lot like the Doors song.
The thing about George Harrison is that he most certainly heard "He's So Fine" at some point in passing, but didn't realize it. He never noticed it, but it seeped into his subconscious and then later manifested in his consciousness as an original idea. In copyright law, saying I've never heard that song before can be a defense, if it can be proven that you've never heard that song. But outside of the song having been recorded and put on a shelf and never released, it's near impossible in the modern age.
I’m simple
When I see Jim Morrison
I click
High five
lol yeah 😂
Read Danny Sugermans 'Wonderland Avenue'. Watch 'Wonderland' & John Holmes doco
I guess being simple means using the most overused comment format for a music video?
Same
Vanilla Ice: "You know what I'm sayin'?"
David: "What Vanilla Ice is trying to say here is..."
for some reason that cracked me up
Vanilla ice explaining how his version is different is just so hard to watch
"This video is sponsored by the rich..."
I did bit of a double take there. LOL!
The strangest case of all? John Fogerty accused of stealing from run through the jungle for old man down the road since he wrote both songs.
Yes, being sued for plagiarizing your own song ... bitterly ironic and insane. Vanz kan't danz indeed.
That was amazing.
Not just accused, he was actually sued and went to court over it.
Wait, what? So I’m assuming this is under two different record labels? Or writing for two different artists? Either way that’s insane. Imagine standing up in court defending the fact you felt like reusing an old melody of yours cus it fit this new song or whatever.
Imagine if they found out that a few of the big bands like status quo, deep purple, ccr, etc... only used 3 or 4 chords for all of their songs. It can be the same chord structure but different strum pettern and timing and still be a new song. Its almost as if people figured out that the right chords make people feel good, soo they made and sold it like a drug.
4:58 The best part was that David said "What Vanilla Ice is trying to say" like he was communicating through a series of grunts and snorts.
😂
Cocaine is a hellava drug 😆
When my son was 9 we were driving home from school and he was singing We are the Champions by Queen and he insisted that he had written it himself. He refused to believe that he hadn't.
top 5 plagiarism cases for sure
Milton Keynes
Is your son's name Farrokh Bulsara?
If so, he's right, he did write 'We are the champions'.
@@lazer2365 it is Jack, so no royalties coming his way.
@@vl6357
Jack Keynes.
Sounds like he could be in a band.
You could mention "Wish you were here" by Pink Ployd being close to "Almost Independence day" by Van Morrison. Recently I realised that many songs from the Shins sound a lot like "Wine and Dined" by Syd Barrett. "Wait for the summer" from Yeasayer is strongly influenced by "Rain and Snow" by Pentangle, which is a traditionnal tune but Yeasayer didn't mention it.
queen: um can we have our money?
vanilla ice: no
queen: that's our melody tho...
vanilla ice: *no*
queen: why?!
vanilla ice: i added a clap 100% original
queen: **insert surprised pikqchu face**
😒 its Bowie aswell not just queen
He bought the rights to it
@@NPGLAMB No he didn't, it was agreed to share publishing rights.
Freddie: that's not how it works, darling
@@NPGLAMB Don't even go there bub
After the My Sweet Lord/He's So Fine court case, the judge (who was also an amateur opera composer) said to Harrison's lawyer "Actually, I quite like both of those songs." Harrison's lawyer replied "What do you mean BOTH songs! You have just ruled that they are the same song!"
It's a joke or it really happened?
I wanna know too
Make that three of us
make that four of us
Make that five of us
Artist A: *breathes*
Artist B: "I DID IT FIRST!"
Court: Agreed! Artist A pay 11 million dollars to Artist B.
I love you
well, i think you can find similar progressions and melodies everywhere. it is virtually impossible to compose a song that doesn't have any elements that have been used before, even if you have never heard them.
I see Jim Morrison and I click
That's what got me here too.
yes, yes me too
he was the lizard king...word on the street: he could do anything...sometimes he could even take a nap on your porch.
I think Queen, I click
Vanilla Ice is an entitled punk
I love how George Harrison ended up writing a massive hit about the lawsuit tho hahha
What was that? I'm not in the know
@@cdreyes81 it's called "this song"
George Harrison is a proper lad tbh
George ended up owning the company that published (or previously owned, I’m not sure which) the song “He’s so fine” as well. Good for you George, always a legend ✌️
it's one thing to have similarities to another song it's another thing completely completely another thing to sound exactly like the song over and over and over through verse after verse course after course we're talking two different things similarities a lot of songs can they similar but to be just like it now that's a rip-off that's a piece of s*** that's the person that should have never done that song oh yeah anybody ever know that song by Green Day oh yeah we'll go back 30 years unless you know Joan Jett do you wanna touch they ripped her ass completely they must have paid a fortune for that I guess
TH-camr: Billie Took the song from plants verses zombies
Me, an intellectual: she stole it from we are number one
Roomie official has a video on it (not the first video but one I remember) he remakes the song, and it fits remarkably well with 'we are number one'
Isaac Thompson Robbie Rotten sings that song in Lazy Town
@@vampsweets ikr
I saw more people say it sounded like we are number one than pvz
@@Ssj_tainaka like roomie
"Down Under" writers, Men at Work (Australian iconic band) were suddessfully sued for 5% of royalties for a couple of short quotes in a flute solo (injected very inventively into a completely different musical context, which lifts trite melody snippets from a kids' song, entitled "Kookaburra", to an entirely higher plane). The song writer would almost certainly have been delighted, but they'd written the song half a century earlier and were long gone. The rights had passed to the publishing company, Larrikin, who as far as I'm concerned, live in infamy ever since.
If Bach was alive, he would sue every musician ever
Morfo1010 not really. You can derive income from it for a specific period of time after the death of an artist. For artists who die today, the copyright in original artistic works currently lasts for 70 years from the death of the creator.
@@Arvid2022 So Bach is shit out of luck, eh? I bet he'd make enough money just giving organ concerts.
He did some beautiful "rip offs" of Handel and Vivaldi, among others. Now we can happily listen to the different interpretations.
@@deannilvalli6579 Hence why many artists are using excerpts like maroon 5 picked up canon in D from pachelbel
Wouldn’t he be sued by Vivaldi?
There's no "doo lang, doo lang, doo lang" in "My Sweet Lord". (from the playbook of Vanilla Ice)
“panini” by lil nas x chorus sound a lot like “In bloom” by nirvanas chorus
That’s because Lil Nas X based his chorus off of In Bloom and even wrote co songwriter Kurt Cobain.
he's the one
just say to me
He’s the one who likes all their pretty songs
Just some Chupacabra with Internet Access well yeah but actually he didn’t he sayed “I’ve never heard nevermind before” in interview but franses (kurts Daughter) alowed it seeing that it was just a vocal progression in one part of the song, but he didn’t do it on purpose allegedly
Tanner McCage And he likes to sing along
literally, these videos are so well done. thank you for putting in so much time and effort!