If they know that you have another job offer. They will not provide extra severance pay. Once they know that they will provide the minimum severance pay.
Literally the CEO of my last 9 to 5 job during covid. Don't worry nobody will get fired, we have cash to last 5 years without any income, we are a family(redflag word), a month later.... 130 people fired. New message, we don't have enough money to sustain the business. Another month later with the PPE loans( we are not taking PPE loans, we have enough money, we will leave that to organizations that really need it) Am I like b**** which is it we have or dont have money lol
But keep it under wraps until you get that severance package (if your company provides) At least in my field, I get 3 months pay x the years I’ve been there.
_months_?! So if you worked there for 12 years, your asserting that they'd give you 3 years (36 months) of pay in severance? Google has a pretty amazing severance and it's nowhere near that fantastical.
Got the exact same in my company , 3 months times the 7 years I was there . Health insurance was also paid for another 6 months . The company got bought out and they were heading another direction and my department was being dissolved but we had a great director and made sure we knew it wasn’t anything personal . Walked out happy it was a great company
@@_Hollie_not really when you consider these are also probably jobs including people who haven’t been on the job market in a decade or longer, meaning they might even need to get more education or the like to get a similar position to what they were in, or they might be close to retirement age and wouldn’t be able to get a job that pays the same or more. 🤷🏻♀️ it’s definitely generous compared to some I’ve seen but I wouldn’t say it’s ridiculous, just very generous
@@JacquelineUnderwood are you from the us? In the uk this is basically unheard of. You get like like 2 weeks-1 months severance and the pay form all the sick day you have left
I had a job last year that I was a receptionist, the phone rang, I answered it and it was SOMEONE APPLYING FOR MY JOB!!! So I looked it up and sure enough, my job was posted. So I started immediately looking somewhere else. Not cool. So when they let me go, it was just like “eh, I knew this was coming.” Now I’m thankfully at a job I adore and I have no plans on leaving
@@Theomite not really. But the boss was an ass, so it ended up being for the best. I also heard he only got worse with the next one. He’s no longer with the Company.
DONT EVER TELL THEM YOUVE BEEN PREEMPTIVELY JOB HUNTING. They’ll claim you aren’t being inconvenienced enough to need severance, say you illegally accessed private documents thus needing to be fired or even try to claim you quit.
Not fun to see my company on this list (especially them specifying my actual building). Worrisome Friday evening but i should probably be proactive and apply elsewhere. Once again, thank you for giving valuable tips, Vivian. ❤
but the Act only requires companies to notify if the planned # to be laid off is a specific threshold/percentage. a savvy company and employment counsel can manage so they do not have to report.
Exactly. They can play the long game and change policies to entice people to voluntarily quit. (Stop benefits, overtime, increase pressure to be faster while enacting policies that slow the flow of the work and increase worker stress)
@@seriousoverthinker8871 so I think my boss is trying to entice me to quite. So she is currently dumping all my coworkers work on me and asking when I am moving to Texas. Orginal I planed to move but had a health scare on top of health scare so decided to finish my cancer checks and it seem to start the pressure from my boss and a certain favorite employee of hers. I slipped and feel. My friend who was cleaning at the time confirming the fact that she was there when I fell. She was like I could have fell too. Why did you not say anything. Not are you okay but I could have gotten hurt. Then after that got a "dressing down "for not intialing something she made up. Instead of asking me the brought straight to the supervisor and all the task she dumped on me. Sorry so frustrated. I just feel like giving up. I have seen it in kaiser before. People quite because the company did something like this and rebid reverse seniority sort of thing then added pressure.
True, but that takes time, there's an appeal to 'get it done with' for the company, too. And this shows that most people aren't even aware, so even if they try to keep you in the dark, which I fail to see what's the benefit to the company anyway, having the WARN act hardly changes anything.
@@shanem4703 Securities and Exchange Commission. Companies with over $10mil in assets, 500+ shareholders, or listed on an exchange or NASDAQ have to report quarterly, annual, and significant event reports to the SEC.
I worked IT for a small company years ago. We were having problems with the spam filter on the mail server catching things that were not spam. So I was working on it, and would release emails from the server that it thought were spam, but were not. One of the emails I determined was not spam was to the owner, discussing the terms for selling our small company. I had to sit on that news for about 4 months before they announced they were selling the company. Then before the new company took over, they came in when the announcement was made and said that they would be retaining everyone, and no one would lose their job. So I stayed for the next 60 days before they officially took over. The first day of the new company, the same guy that met with us and told everyone that they would not lose their job, laid me off (I was the IT department), and the finance guy. So I had known for over 6 months what was coming, and stayed around, and then got blindsided in the end.
Good on you for spreading useful information, and not doing it in a smug or arrogant way 👍. I wish more people could portray this style of sharing info, it'd be a lot more helpful and definately would make people appreciate it more.
This didn't work for tech companies, as they posted the WARN notice at the same time that they notified people of layoffs and then paid those people for the 60 days of the WARN (plus additional severance thankfully)
@@yashwanthdhakshana4349 many didn't get all their stock, they got x weeks of vesting. There is a difference, since many of us in Tech have our stock grants divided up over 4 years. Just a small nuance! But yes, the deals were better than the worst case scenario!
99.999% of the time, you can tell layoffs are coming just by paying attention to what's going on around you. Always keep your eyes and ears open. Read your damned e-mail, and listen during meetings.
That's a great point... A good indicator, I've noticed, is the way supplies to the business are being handled. I worked at a skate shop that I knew was going to go under because they stopped stocking shoes and wheels, almost entirely.
@@thewingedsiren9366Yeah... I've never been the one laid off, but I have been on the other end of things where many others were laid off, and I ended up holding the bag and doing three people's jobs and then more when the others bailed out of being the overwhelmed leftovers. There was a lot of turnover and flux in the manager positions right above mine and supplies stopped showing up, so it was obvious what was happening. In the future, I'll be shopping around for another job at that point and hope for severance, but be the first to jump ship anyway if I survive to avoid being in that situation again.
3M did a 2 million dollar expansion at one of their facilities, a month after it was finished they called everyone in and layed them off ( about 1978ish ) back then it wasn't always easy to tell.
I was young and naive in my early years. My first was when I asked the secretary if we could get more pens in the supply cabinet and she said "Maybe next month." I didn't understand what that meant at the time.
Careful though, some companies will file just in case and then not follow through, others will pay some really good lawyers to ensure they don't need to file, and others will just not file and take the fine to avoid giving the notice and getting lower productivity from their employees
Maybe maybe maybe, but using this as a resource gives a pretty good leg up. You kind of know what your company situation looks like and you’ll generally know how the economy is doing.
@@gummy5862 Except if they file it with the state, then they MUST also notify the employees that are at risk of being laid off in 60 days. So you will be notified by the company if you are part of the WARN notice.
Yep. Sometimes they will plan on having a layoff, and give all the people a WARN notice. And then that will cause many to quit and find new jobs, or they cut numbers through attrition and retirements. So when it comes time to actually lay people off, they will not need to lay off as many or none at all, if they have lost enough employees or situations have changed for the company.
Hello. In California (not sure if this is federal as well) the notification is given to employee. if you are laid off and just informed today, you should be paid for the next 60 days and you don't have to report to work. that will allow you to apply for another job or get trained to acquire new work skills.
Only if the number of employees and size of company requires the WARN notices to go out. Then they can choose to pay you 60 days pay instead of notifying you. You technically stay on the payroll for 60 more days, but they do not want you there for security reasons.
Not really. If your company is required to notify the government of a WARN situation, they are also required to notify the impacted workers at the same time. So if you see the notice, everyone that may be impacted should have received a WARN notice themselves.
I chose W.A.R.N. ACT for a research topic. This was the EXACT response I received from a grad school professor who asked, "How did you find this law. I didn't know this ACT existed." Thanks BFF! Great info! Loved your response to the manager... mmm K! had me screaming.
I'll never forget the sweet little old lady at the old K-mart that closed two years ago I was at the checkout and I was saying how surprised I was to see the location was closing, cuz ours was always super busy. The sweet lady checking me out said she and all the other workers had absolutely no warning and were caught totally off guard. The way she found out that the store was closing was she saw it on the news that morning while getting ready for work. She got a little choked up, saying she didn't know what to do. Nobody would hire her at her age or be as flexible with her since she had been at the location for years. NEVER trust your employer, they do not have your best interests in mind. Especially if they're a huge corporation. They would feed you into a woodchipper if it made them an extra dollar.
When Fry's Electronics was going out of business here, it was very obvious. Warehouse-sized electronics store, with everything from computer cables to full-fledged drones and kitchen appliances. 80% of the shelves were empty, and when I asked, the floor employees assured me they were just changing suppliers and would be back up to speed in a couple weeks. I'm unsure how much they believed that.
I had a boss come into my office and let me go "for cause." I said "fine," closed my calendar book and got up to leave. He said "you don't have to run off. You can clean out your desk and say good bye to everyone." I just looked at his and said "I did all that two weeks ago."
Lol had the same thing happen to me. I was told it was my last day, and I got up to leave. They looked all surprised and asked where I was going, I told them, you already made your decision and I left then and there.
Exactly. It is not just notifying the state. They have to notify the impacted employees as well. So no need to check with the state, because if your employer filed it with the state, they will let you know if you are covered by it.
Exactly! It not just a posting on the website. Been through this twice and got 60 day notice but was paid in lieu of working the notice. I think they are always worried that employees will sabotage them.
It’s called just open your eyes and pay attention to your surroundings. Little things will change right before a layoff. Office supplies not being ordered, amenities stopping, hallway chatter about reorg, etc. unless you work for the govt or academia, never assume that job is yours and you can just relax and stop paying attention.💯
That's why I really like my government job. I'm an anarchist, so I'm not pleased with the monopoly on violence aspect of government, but I _really_ like the great benefits and the fact I don't have to look over my shoulder for layoffs. There's a reason why many of my coworkers have been working there for over a decade. Besides, I'm an anarcho-COMMUNIST, so in order to survive in the US, I'd almost certainly have to betray my principles anyway: contribute to capitalism or contribute to government. I don't work for the military or police, so I feel pretty good about the compromise I've made.
I worked for a small company that didn't do official layoffs... it's a work at will state, so people can be fired for almost any reason. I and over 10 other people were "fired " late one Friday for various silly reasons, and come to find out they did that every time business slowed down. They broke so many labor laws, like standing in front of the time clock, not allowing the temp production crew to clock in even though they'd all shown up in time for their scheduled shift, because work was slow. They very much deserved to go out of business shortly after, sabotaged by its own leadership.
😂 girl, u found me lost money (overpayment on my Honda car loan) now this! I went on there for Massachusetts and legit saw 2 grocery stores that I shopped at and a Peleton studio 😳 you smart af 🔥
Apparently the penalty for not doing this is paying the employees 60 days pay, which companies often pay in severance regardless. So if they pay that they don’t need to notify. The company where I work did a large round of layoffs last year that were not reported through Warn Act- I checked.
I still believe that what this employee does is the true definition of quiet quitting. You sense a sinking ship so you quietly job hunt while you're still employed, then quit. When you get the new job and eventually quit, you also still remain quiet about your plans and that job. I told my previous employer's that I wanted to go and study fulltime and follow my dreams before I regret it. I also never spoke ill of my experience in my exit interviews with them and told them that I would like to be considered if my dreams dont work out and I want to come back. I got them believing in my dreams and giving me advice and everything.
Wow! I wish I knew about this years ago but grateful to know it now. Just looked in my state and see my husband’s place of employment. They posted in Feb for three rounds coming in March, May and June!!!!! So glad we know this now!!
Haven't checked WARN yet cuz I don't have Adobe on my phone but curious to know if WARN tells you the individual or only department or only building/address?
No, it does not because we don't have At-will employment like the US. We have provincial guidelines for the notice period that the employer needs to provide based on the years of employment or notice pay in lieu of notice period.
I learned about these about two years ago and wrote a script to monitor them lol As long asy server is up, the script is running. I have it set to notify on my company, my friends' companies and also companies I invest in.
Also, lots of "closed door" meetings, your bosses not really caring about people being late or out, personality changes in your boss, pauses on most open posted positions, etc...lots of signs.
There's another part of that law you neglected to talk about. They don't HAVE to notify the state, they will just have to up your severance. A lot of employers choose to keep things quiet about layoffs to mitigate insider threats.
You know what’s really funny, I remember watching this months ago and I didn’t notice that the second company down when you showed the warn notice page was the company I worked for. The company actually filed for bankruptcy at the end of July and I lost my job. Didn’t really give anyone a notice. 😅 if only I’d noticed that, maybe I would have started job hunting sooner.
Didn't know my layoff was coming but at lunch time I said out loud when I was sitting outside that I was ready to leave the company. 10 minutes after returning from lunch 3 of us got laid off...I was the only one with the biggest smile in that room😂
This is super helpful and also it's just smart to always keep your resume up to date and check around every month or two (or more often than that) just in case you come across a much better opportunity
Seen that happen so many times, being in the IT side of things. At my last job, we had about 30 people in IT. In the end they laid off everyone except for 6 people. All 6 people were people that were on H1B visas. They laid off all the citizens, and kept the H1B workers. Should be illegal because the only reason they get the visa for them is because they say they cannot find anyone in the US to fill that position. But when they lay off 4 people for each job held by the H1B visa holder, hard to say none of those people could not do that job.
@@michellewasthere Look for another job, and try to time it so that you start right after you get laid off. Most new employers will give you a little leeway on your start date.
I worked for a fortune 500 company that was going through a quiet layoff 2 years before they declared bankruptcy. They only had a formal layoff at the very end. In the 2 years leading up to it they tortured people to get them to quit on their own or spaz out so bad they had trumped up grounds to fire them. Tactics included denying your PTO while you were out of the office resulting in them saying no call/no show ( i printed every approval and argued it); assigning people with kids on call hours when they knew they wouldn't be available when younger, childess and underpaid employees were beggig for overtime; publishing memos to change work processes constantly and then writting you up for errors for following the memos but you never knew if you had the most up to date one; changing the job duties for employees nearing retirement to make their work impossible and then trying to fire them with no package, and the list goes on.
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Don’t tell them ANYTHING. Just take the money they offer and run.
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huh? you think someone getting laid off gets money? bro slow
Literally! This video is kinda dumb
If they know that you have another job offer. They will not provide extra severance pay. Once they know that they will provide the minimum severance pay.
For me, the give-away for upcoming layoffs are, ironically, the constant reassurances that no one will be laid off.
😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂 lmao well that's one way to see things ahead!!
absolutely!!! A dead give away!
Literally the CEO of my last 9 to 5 job during covid. Don't worry nobody will get fired, we have cash to last 5 years without any income, we are a family(redflag word), a month later.... 130 people fired. New message, we don't have enough money to sustain the business. Another month later with the PPE loans( we are not taking PPE loans, we have enough money, we will leave that to organizations that really need it) Am I like b**** which is it we have or dont have money lol
😡👐And your going to get a trenendous healthcare plan.🙌👌👐👌🙌👌👐
I always know when football managers are on the way out, because the Board expresses their confidence in them.
Yeah…don’t tell them you have another job they might change your severance 😂 always play the ‘oh noes! WhAtEvEr ShAlL i Do?!’ Card.
Ha... THIS!!!!💯
Yes
Yup the classic Aussie ohrrr nohhrrrr
Not true!
@@LIVEINPEACE2023 Can confirm its not true. However if it's not the full amount you're owed, just sue them and you'll earn more.
“Oh okay thats great, when do you start at your new place?”
*Severance gets cut in half*
Stay in China not better here
But keep it under wraps until you get that severance package (if your company provides) At least in my field, I get 3 months pay x the years I’ve been there.
_months_?! So if you worked there for 12 years, your asserting that they'd give you 3 years (36 months) of pay in severance? Google has a pretty amazing severance and it's nowhere near that fantastical.
Got the exact same in my company , 3 months times the 7 years I was there . Health insurance was also paid for another 6 months . The company got bought out and they were heading another direction and my department was being dissolved but we had a great director and made sure we knew it wasn’t anything personal . Walked out happy it was a great company
Damn thats kind of ridiculous
@@_Hollie_not really when you consider these are also probably jobs including people who haven’t been on the job market in a decade or longer, meaning they might even need to get more education or the like to get a similar position to what they were in, or they might be close to retirement age and wouldn’t be able to get a job that pays the same or more. 🤷🏻♀️ it’s definitely generous compared to some I’ve seen but I wouldn’t say it’s ridiculous, just very generous
@@JacquelineUnderwood are you from the us? In the uk this is basically unheard of. You get like like 2 weeks-1 months severance and the pay form all the sick day you have left
I had a job last year that I was a receptionist, the phone rang, I answered it and it was SOMEONE APPLYING FOR MY JOB!!! So I looked it up and sure enough, my job was posted. So I started immediately looking somewhere else. Not cool. So when they let me go, it was just like “eh, I knew this was coming.” Now I’m thankfully at a job I adore and I have no plans on leaving
Did they tell you why they were shitcanning you?
It sounds like you didn't have plans to leave the first one either...
@@able34bravo37 no I certainly didn’t, but I’m glad I’m not there anymore.
@@Theomite not really. But the boss was an ass, so it ended up being for the best. I also heard he only got worse with the next one. He’s no longer with the Company.
…was this related to job performance issue(s) that you were or weren’t aware of?
DONT EVER TELL THEM YOUVE BEEN PREEMPTIVELY JOB HUNTING.
They’ll claim you aren’t being inconvenienced enough to need severance, say you illegally accessed private documents thus needing to be fired or even try to claim you quit.
Omg this has happened to me lol. That "I quit" lol
Obviously. But ahe needed to create a skit for the video short.
They're not illegal nor are they private documents
@@jade_the_doll9299 it’s called lying. Rich people tend to do that a lot
A nice law suit if they lie
I am DEFINITELY saving this video and never forgetting about it
Not fun to see my company on this list (especially them specifying my actual building). Worrisome Friday evening but i should probably be proactive and apply elsewhere. Once again, thank you for giving valuable tips, Vivian. ❤
Ugh... that's gotta be the most disheartening thing. Did you already start preparing?
All the best to you! Never forget that companies will always look for good talents, so never ever give up.
File for unemployment take a couple months off
careers really are a thing of the past. now we all just job hop.
Update, the firing date on the site has already passed and I’m still employed!
Yeah, I would’ve kept my mouth shut and waited for them to give me compensation for not giving 60 written warning ⚠️ 😅😊
And still have a line up job.
Yeah but then how are you going to fit that into the Tiktok script? Hahaha
but the Act only requires companies to notify if the planned # to be laid off is a specific threshold/percentage. a savvy company and employment counsel can manage so they do not have to report.
Exactly. They can play the long game and change policies to entice people to voluntarily quit. (Stop benefits, overtime, increase pressure to be faster while enacting policies that slow the flow of the work and increase worker stress)
@@seriousoverthinker8871 so I think my boss is trying to entice me to quite. So she is currently dumping all my coworkers work on me and asking when I am moving to Texas. Orginal I planed to move but had a health scare on top of health scare so decided to finish my cancer checks and it seem to start the pressure from my boss and a certain favorite employee of hers. I slipped and feel. My friend who was cleaning at the time confirming the fact that she was there when I fell. She was like I could have fell too. Why did you not say anything. Not are you okay but I could have gotten hurt. Then after that got a "dressing down "for not intialing something she made up. Instead of asking me the brought straight to the supervisor and all the task she dumped on me. Sorry so frustrated. I just feel like giving up. I have seen it in kaiser before. People quite because the company did something like this and rebid reverse seniority sort of thing then added pressure.
Very true when I got redundancy through IBM they would do it in small bursts of 100 every few months so they wouldn't have to report it in the news.
True, but that takes time, there's an appeal to 'get it done with' for the company, too. And this shows that most people aren't even aware, so even if they try to keep you in the dark, which I fail to see what's the benefit to the company anyway, having the WARN act hardly changes anything.
Lots of big companies spread it out to stay below the threshold so they don't have to report it
Girl, you're so doggone good, shoot! Love your channel, and you're fun to boot!
Needed this so much 😅, I got laid off end of January, came as a total shock.
I’m sorry to hear that, and we are expected to give two weeks notice.
Same. And still haven't found anything
Oh,😢
@@virtual_balboa praying for you all ❤ how are you guys doing
Did they give you 60 day notice
Wow thats some great empowering info! This is the stuff we shoukd be talking about to makes things better collectively!
You are a gift and a treasure. Thank you for all of your advice and help.
Great information
Check the sec filings as well to see if your company is being quietly sold .
Sec filings?
@@shanem4703 Securities and Exchange Commission. Companies with over $10mil in assets, 500+ shareholders, or listed on an exchange or NASDAQ have to report quarterly, annual, and significant event reports to the SEC.
@@caleb3909 do you mind sharing exactly what page, keyword, or section of the SEC to look through? That would be super helpful.
I worked IT for a small company years ago. We were having problems with the spam filter on the mail server catching things that were not spam. So I was working on it, and would release emails from the server that it thought were spam, but were not. One of the emails I determined was not spam was to the owner, discussing the terms for selling our small company. I had to sit on that news for about 4 months before they announced they were selling the company. Then before the new company took over, they came in when the announcement was made and said that they would be retaining everyone, and no one would lose their job. So I stayed for the next 60 days before they officially took over. The first day of the new company, the same guy that met with us and told everyone that they would not lose their job, laid me off (I was the IT department), and the finance guy. So I had known for over 6 months what was coming, and stayed around, and then got blindsided in the end.
@@jiminauburn5073 oh my word . They ripped you in . I worked for a. Company that did almost the same thing .
Good on you for spreading useful information, and not doing it in a smug or arrogant way 👍. I wish more people could portray this style of sharing info, it'd be a lot more helpful and definately would make people appreciate it more.
This didn't work for tech companies, as they posted the WARN notice at the same time that they notified people of layoffs and then paid those people for the 60 days of the WARN (plus additional severance thankfully)
They still got 60 days of pay + severance + all their stock options, so it seems like a decent deal.
@@yashwanthdhakshana4349 many didn't get all their stock, they got x weeks of vesting. There is a difference, since many of us in Tech have our stock grants divided up over 4 years. Just a small nuance! But yes, the deals were better than the worst case scenario!
Also Rifs are not layoffs so they didn’t have to give notice if it was a rif
My company did this exactly to a T
Not a bad idea for security reasons.
This was so helpful. I am glad to have found your channel. Love your tips
99.999% of the time, you can tell layoffs are coming just by paying attention to what's going on around you. Always keep your eyes and ears open. Read your damned e-mail, and listen during meetings.
That's a great point... A good indicator, I've noticed, is the way supplies to the business are being handled. I worked at a skate shop that I knew was going to go under because they stopped stocking shoes and wheels, almost entirely.
@@thewingedsiren9366Yeah... I've never been the one laid off, but I have been on the other end of things where many others were laid off, and I ended up holding the bag and doing three people's jobs and then more when the others bailed out of being the overwhelmed leftovers. There was a lot of turnover and flux in the manager positions right above mine and supplies stopped showing up, so it was obvious what was happening. In the future, I'll be shopping around for another job at that point and hope for severance, but be the first to jump ship anyway if I survive to avoid being in that situation again.
If they ever have a meeting and say there's some trouble ahead, but nobody is going to lose their job... That means layoffs are coming, guaranteed.
3M did a 2 million dollar expansion at one of their facilities, a month after it was finished they called everyone in and layed them off ( about 1978ish ) back then it wasn't always easy to tell.
I was young and naive in my early years. My first was when I asked the secretary if we could get more pens in the supply cabinet and she said "Maybe next month." I didn't understand what that meant at the time.
Now that is an incredible piece of education right there. Thanks for sharing ❤
Careful though, some companies will file just in case and then not follow through, others will pay some really good lawyers to ensure they don't need to file, and others will just not file and take the fine to avoid giving the notice and getting lower productivity from their employees
Maybe maybe maybe, but using this as a resource gives a pretty good leg up. You kind of know what your company situation looks like and you’ll generally know how the economy is doing.
@@gummy5862 Except if they file it with the state, then they MUST also notify the employees that are at risk of being laid off in 60 days. So you will be notified by the company if you are part of the WARN notice.
Yep. Sometimes they will plan on having a layoff, and give all the people a WARN notice. And then that will cause many to quit and find new jobs, or they cut numbers through attrition and retirements. So when it comes time to actually lay people off, they will not need to lay off as many or none at all, if they have lost enough employees or situations have changed for the company.
After all this negative stuff that just scrolled by my eyes and fed my brain, I really appreciate career advice coming in to reset the mood. ♥
Hello. In California (not sure if this is federal as well) the notification is given to employee. if you are laid off and just informed today, you should be paid for the next 60 days and you don't have to report to work. that will allow you to apply for another job or get trained to acquire new work skills.
Only if the number of employees and size of company requires the WARN notices to go out. Then they can choose to pay you 60 days pay instead of notifying you. You technically stay on the payroll for 60 more days, but they do not want you there for security reasons.
I love listening to you. I learn something new every day. Thank you so much.
Sued my company based in Salt Lake when they tried to screw us and not pay our severances! I'm in CA!
what is the website for CA? I can't find it when I google it like she provided.
@@koreanconvenience I found it looking up warn act California, the website is edd.ca.gov maybe look that up edd.ca.gov warn
Peace- Just looked this up - Thank you for this resource Rich BFF - I just saw two in NY State for this year. Great to know!. Blessings
This is the most useful information that I have received in a long time. Thank you!
Not really. If your company is required to notify the government of a WARN situation, they are also required to notify the impacted workers at the same time. So if you see the notice, everyone that may be impacted should have received a WARN notice themselves.
shit like this is what the internet if for! thank you!!
I chose W.A.R.N. ACT for a research topic. This was the EXACT response I received from a grad school professor who asked, "How did you find this law. I didn't know this ACT existed." Thanks BFF! Great info! Loved your response to the manager...
mmm K! had me screaming.
Wow! Thank you for this. ❤ I just learned something i never heard of in my 56 years.
I'll never forget the sweet little old lady at the old K-mart that closed two years ago
I was at the checkout and I was saying how surprised I was to see the location was closing, cuz ours was always super busy.
The sweet lady checking me out said she and all the other workers had absolutely no warning and were caught totally off guard.
The way she found out that the store was closing was she saw it on the news that morning while getting ready for work.
She got a little choked up, saying she didn't know what to do. Nobody would hire her at her age or be as flexible with her since she had been at the location for years.
NEVER trust your employer, they do not have your best interests in mind. Especially if they're a huge corporation. They would feed you into a woodchipper if it made them an extra dollar.
When Fry's Electronics was going out of business here, it was very obvious. Warehouse-sized electronics store, with everything from computer cables to full-fledged drones and kitchen appliances. 80% of the shelves were empty, and when I asked, the floor employees assured me they were just changing suppliers and would be back up to speed in a couple weeks. I'm unsure how much they believed that.
💯 % true
That is the best information I'm pretty sure I've ever gotten off of short! Thank you I had no idea.
I had a boss come into my office and let me go "for cause." I said "fine," closed my calendar book and got up to leave. He said "you don't have to run off. You can clean out your desk and say good bye to everyone." I just looked at his and said "I did all that two weeks ago."
😂😂the nerve of him
Boss. Love it.
Lol had the same thing happen to me. I was told it was my last day, and I got up to leave. They looked all surprised and asked where I was going, I told them, you already made your decision and I left then and there.
@@aquilhall262 Why stay? They just said "you're done." What else is there?
@@JR-bj3ufmy point exactly
Never heard of this. Now I have and have added it tonmy lift of things to check monthly. Thank you
WARN notices are typically posted the same day the employees impacted are notified.
Exactly. It is not just notifying the state. They have to notify the impacted employees as well. So no need to check with the state, because if your employer filed it with the state, they will let you know if you are covered by it.
Exactly! It not just a posting on the website. Been through this twice and got 60 day notice but was paid in lieu of working the notice. I think they are always worried that employees will sabotage them.
This is solid information. Thank you for all that you do!!!🎉
It’s called just open your eyes and pay attention to your surroundings. Little things will change right before a layoff. Office supplies not being ordered, amenities stopping, hallway chatter about reorg, etc. unless you work for the govt or academia, never assume that job is yours and you can just relax and stop paying attention.💯
More manager only meetings. No more team lunches. Reduced expenditures. The signs are there.
That's why I really like my government job. I'm an anarchist, so I'm not pleased with the monopoly on violence aspect of government, but I _really_ like the great benefits and the fact I don't have to look over my shoulder for layoffs. There's a reason why many of my coworkers have been working there for over a decade.
Besides, I'm an anarcho-COMMUNIST, so in order to survive in the US, I'd almost certainly have to betray my principles anyway: contribute to capitalism or contribute to government. I don't work for the military or police, so I feel pretty good about the compromise I've made.
Damn half of you are office junkies huh , in construction they just tell you get your shit and get the fuck out , and that’s it
I can't see I work from home lol. Meetings does no good
@@glow1815 That’s a easy one. For some reason you get left off important meeting invites.
Let's go this is great content and information. Thanks for sharing 👍 😊
I worked for a small company that didn't do official layoffs... it's a work at will state, so people can be fired for almost any reason. I and over 10 other people were "fired " late one Friday for various silly reasons, and come to find out they did that every time business slowed down. They broke so many labor laws, like standing in front of the time clock, not allowing the temp production crew to clock in even though they'd all shown up in time for their scheduled shift, because work was slow. They very much deserved to go out of business shortly after, sabotaged by its own leadership.
One of y’all should’ve reported them.
Need to start reporting them
@Gummy we were talking class action lawsuit, then the company got cannibalized by upper management and the owner lost everything. Karma!
Were you in New Mexico?
Gurlll I'm glad you're my Rich BFF bc you be knowing shtttttt 😃👍🏾
This is the best advice I have seen in a long time.
Thank you for this! Keep doing what you're doing
This is the one right here
What would we do without you??!! 🙌🙌🙌❤️❤️❤️
This is awesome - thank you! I had no idea!
Wtf , been working for 25 yrs, never heard of this ??? Thank you BFF
I have NEVER heard of this. Great tip and much appreciated
😂 girl, u found me lost money (overpayment on my Honda car loan) now this! I went on there for Massachusetts and legit saw 2 grocery stores that I shopped at and a Peleton studio 😳 you smart af 🔥
This is amazing information to have! Thank you!
Dang, wish I had this information two years ago!
Yep...
Vivian, You ARE our favorite Wall Street person....
Thanks
LOVE you.....
We need a Canadian version of you!
I second this! I wonder if she knows of a Canadian version 😅
Yes I agree!!
PLEASE
Finaly a youtuber with good information 👌
There's nothing more depressing than being suddenly laid off with NO warning signs......
This was extremely educational. Thank you.
This is so helpful woah! I looked up WARN notices in my state during 2020 and there was such a long list too!
Apparently the penalty for not doing this is paying the employees 60 days pay, which companies often pay in severance regardless. So if they pay that they don’t need to notify. The company where I work did a large round of layoffs last year that were not reported through Warn Act- I checked.
I have to say you have shared some valuable information. I knew of the WARN Act but I didn't know you could check in advance
I never hit the Google so fast, thanks boo
I just googled the WARN website, and saw the list for Florida.I sure didn't know about this. Thank you!
NEVER tell them. 😂 you owe them nothing
The manager not knowing as much as the employee ups the realness factor for me. Thnx viv
I still believe that what this employee does is the true definition of quiet quitting. You sense a sinking ship so you quietly job hunt while you're still employed, then quit. When you get the new job and eventually quit, you also still remain quiet about your plans and that job. I told my previous employer's that I wanted to go and study fulltime and follow my dreams before I regret it. I also never spoke ill of my experience in my exit interviews with them and told them that I would like to be considered if my dreams dont work out and I want to come back. I got them believing in my dreams and giving me advice and everything.
Yup that is the smartest way to handle it. Never bad mouth in the exit interview. They aren't there to be on your side.
Lot of work but that's the best route.
Okay fine you have me subbed now passed up her 1st vid even tho I liked it now I can’t resist 😮💨😆
Some companies love getting around this by providing "choice" to move to another department and in most cases that comes with a large pay reduction.
This is very informative. Thank you so much.
Wow! I wish I knew about this years ago but grateful to know it now. Just looked in my state and see my husband’s place of employment. They posted in Feb for three rounds coming in March, May and June!!!!! So glad we know this now!!
Haven't checked WARN yet cuz I don't have Adobe on my phone but curious to know if WARN tells you the individual or only department or only building/address?
@@bigstick8699 No, just the amount of people projected to be laid off and the date(s).
Thank you. This is helpful information. Who knew that this existed. 👍👍👍
😮🤯🤯 Thanks sis!!!
This woman is great! 🙂
Would be nice to know if this exists in Canada
No, it does not because we don't have At-will employment like the US. We have provincial guidelines for the notice period that the employer needs to provide based on the years of employment or notice pay in lieu of notice period.
Thank you 🙏🏾 you are heaven sent.
I learned about these about two years ago and wrote a script to monitor them lol
As long asy server is up, the script is running.
I have it set to notify on my company, my friends' companies and also companies I invest in.
I would love to have a script like that!! Would you be willing to share it on GitHub etc?
Any chance you'd be willing to share how you did this?👀 I'd love to get something similar going for my circles
@@abbystarheart1same 👀
DDDAAAMMMNNN !! I didn't know this !! Thank you
Also, lots of "closed door" meetings, your bosses not really caring about people being late or out, personality changes in your boss, pauses on most open posted positions, etc...lots of signs.
Wow I did not know about this! Good advice on this one
Viv you are doing God's work.
You just earned my subscription.
Dang didn't even warn the manager 😂
Most of the time they don’t, at least in the oil & gas industry 😮
The manager is last to know at times because they are about to get layoff too.
Thanks! Canada has this too. Amazing info
There's another part of that law you neglected to talk about. They don't HAVE to notify the state, they will just have to up your severance. A lot of employers choose to keep things quiet about layoffs to mitigate insider threats.
Insider threats could definitely be a problem. I wouldn't blame anyone for that.
Dang! I didn’t know this. Thanks BFF👍👍
This is a frickin nugget 🎉
Legend has it shes still making videos of being fired
@YourRichBFF is there a uk version of this please, thanks
Love this lady
You said "most employers with 100 and more employees" can you clarify what "most" mean
Does anybody know if the local Government has to do this as well
This gives some very helpfull data for stocks aswell thanks!
Wow. This is great. So helpful. Especially as a non-American
You know what’s really funny, I remember watching this months ago and I didn’t notice that the second company down when you showed the warn notice page was the company I worked for. The company actually filed for bankruptcy at the end of July and I lost my job. Didn’t really give anyone a notice. 😅 if only I’d noticed that, maybe I would have started job hunting sooner.
That's actually some really good information.
Didn't know my layoff was coming but at lunch time I said out loud when I was sitting outside that I was ready to leave the company. 10 minutes after returning from lunch 3 of us got laid off...I was the only one with the biggest smile in that room😂
This is so awesome. Thank you! 😊
This is super helpful and also it's just smart to always keep your resume up to date and check around every month or two (or more often than that) just in case you come across a much better opportunity
Yep!! I just subscribed!! Hey Bestie!!!
My employer gave us 6 months notice so we could train our foreign replacements.
I'm going through this BS now and ca t decide if I stick it out for severance or get the hell out. 3rd layoff and SO over it.
Same here except we're six months in and the replacements haven't been hired yet
@@eyv LOL.
Seen that happen so many times, being in the IT side of things. At my last job, we had about 30 people in IT. In the end they laid off everyone except for 6 people. All 6 people were people that were on H1B visas. They laid off all the citizens, and kept the H1B workers. Should be illegal because the only reason they get the visa for them is because they say they cannot find anyone in the US to fill that position. But when they lay off 4 people for each job held by the H1B visa holder, hard to say none of those people could not do that job.
@@michellewasthere Look for another job, and try to time it so that you start right after you get laid off. Most new employers will give you a little leeway on your start date.
AWESOME!! SPREAD THIS WORD!!
I worked for a fortune 500 company that was going through a quiet layoff 2 years before they declared bankruptcy. They only had a formal layoff at the very end. In the 2 years leading up to it they tortured people to get them to quit on their own or spaz out so bad they had trumped up grounds to fire them. Tactics included denying your PTO while you were out of the office resulting in them saying no call/no show ( i printed every approval and argued it); assigning people with kids on call hours when they knew they wouldn't be available when younger, childess and underpaid employees were beggig for overtime; publishing memos to change work processes constantly and then writting you up for errors for following the memos but you never knew if you had the most up to date one; changing the job duties for employees nearing retirement to make their work impossible and then trying to fire them with no package, and the list goes on.
That’s bad