i got laid off... (as a software engineer)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 พ.ค. 2024
- so it finally happened, here's the fully story, everything that went down explained in 4K detail, so you can understand the internal workings of layoffs at startups and big tech companies for software engineers
it's been an amazing ride and i'm so grateful for all my experiences at bolt. and to all the people that made it so incredible, from the bottom of my heart thank you so much, especially my direct team: financial products
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This is why it's insane to be 100% committed to any company. It's not personal it's business
I hate that when the company wants you to treat the company as your family. Except no family expel its family members in time of crisis.
It's one of the red flags and you have no friends at work
literally a lesson to always keep in mind
Amen. If your company has any sort of education benefit, definitely take advantage. I picked up a few AWS certifications before I got hit with a round of layoffs, made job hopping much easier.
When you give your all, you often end up feeling like a pawn in someone else's game. The harder you work, the more they mock you, only to show you the door eventually.
That's precisely why we should explore avenues to make money independently, even if it means venturing into the realm of TH-cam. I'm planning to start my own channel, where I'll share anecdotes about the quaint canal behind my house and, well, spiders, of all things! Can't say for sure if the channel will soar, but let's embark on this adventure together and find out! 😄
Never stay after you tell a company you are leaving, you will be blind-sighted every-time.
It's "Blind-sided", as in getting hit in the head from the blind side (didn't see it coming).
@@calkelpdiver 🤓☝️
@@calkelpdiver unlike the dude effectively calling you a nerd, i think that explanation was helpful to me. thank you
Yup. Asked for a raise after i found a new hire was getting 18% more than me. Got told they dont have the budget. Got a call a few weeks later telling me that was my last week.
Make 30% more now.
@@The_Light_Pharaoh he's right.
Lesson learned from this is: NEVER listen to a manager/ job when it comes to your livelihood (and decline better opportunities), especially if the job can't even afford to keep you as a good loyal employee! And that goes for any career!
I've done that tomfoolery, and loyalty is NOT worth it! This is a business on both ends, my time is my money!🤦♀️😭
And on top of that, don't believe anything unless you get it signed and in writing. Words are cheap, breaking contracts is not.
the important and enduring thing is that you acted with a lot of integrity.
when i was laid off as a software engineer 9 years ago in my early 20s, it was traumatic and i processed it in an unhealthy way. but how you're conducting yourself here with such grace is something so commendable. a job will always be temporal, but how you handled it and the path you follow is what matters.
What do you do now?
Singh means 'Lion'. You feel no Trauma. You feel proud because you are a Singh. And Singh is?
KING 😀👍
as soon as you got persuaded to stay, i knew the results weren't going to be good. I'm glad you eventually left on your own 🔥🔥🔥
the best is yet to come
@@namanhkapur some people got a very large severance package
As someone who is going through a similar situation, all I can say is that I learned one crucial lesson: You are never 100% an indispensable asset, to any company. If you think to yourself that you are a superb developer (perhaps you are) and you are too good to get fired, then think again.
The upside in my case is that I finally had some free time to focus on some languages and frameworks that I always wanted to learn.
100% correct. I am being laid off next week and I'm the core developer on a highly profitable application. My entire team is being eliminated and the application will be supported by developers offshore in India
@@censoredeveryday3320 sorry to hear that. I hope you find something that is more stable soon.
AWS ?
Yup, absolutely true. I worked for a company that did a layoff and I was one of the many people to get hit. It was 100% about getting costs under control because they let other people go with years and years of experience compared to me. I would have NEVER let those experienced people go! Oh well. I didn't take the layoff personally, I just moved on.
@@KayKay0314 how long were you with them and how long do you think it will take you to find a new job?
Got laid off from my IT job yesterday while in a bathroom at McDonald's. I've never been laid off or fired in my early career, this was the most I've ever made, felt like I'd stay here for many years, and now I feel more lost than ever.
Update: it gets better!
You will find a new adventure and will make it :) best of luck to you
I’m in a similar boat as you, here’s to both our success
Dude, many years later you'll look at this as just a moment in your life.. Usually people grow the most in hard times, just don't doubt yourself much in life, and you'll be well!
to be truly great, you must experience the true highs in life and also the absolute lows.
it builds character.
the true greats are the ones who rise from the ashes and become top dogs again.
Your next job is always better than your previous. When you get your next job, come back here and tell me that I was right.
You learned your lesson, DO NOT STAY. Once you have your offer from another place and you tell your manager that you want to leave, you're going to be overlooked on many opportunities, you're marking yourself for deletion. Especially at a big org where the management changes often and you do not have a real relationship with your manager.
For those that want to stay, self-reflect, ask yourself why do YOU want to stay? After you've convinced yourself that it's a great work environment, interesting work, blah blah blah, and there is room to further your career, then talk to your manager about the things you like and see what they can do to get you an out of cycle promo or raise.
It's a bit of a curse for people who are passionate about computer science and/or software development. Employees know that and take advantage. They get you way too comfortable in taking on this job as a way of life. Once I stopped doing that, I was much happier having my relationships and hobbies do that for me. It's a healthier source of gratitude. Plus, my hobbies can't lay me off 😊
preach
That last sentence: I feel that so much!
Unless you die homeless, hungry in the cold somewhere. Yes, your hobbies can lay you off, to an early grave. You are stable only because you exist between to states, otherwise oblivion. So please save (no hoard) cash and assets, then chase your hobbies, with money/assets to back you up.
"Work to Live, not live to work"
Eloquently put
Just wanted to say your videos inspired me to learn to code and eventually land a job. Wishing you all the best, this video gave me a lot of inspiration.
that makes me so happy to hear, keep crushing it
Well done dude, leaving on your own terms is hard. I've been through similar. I wish you well in your future choices and look forward to sharing them with you via the channel.
I remembered getting my first job right after you got a job a bolt after teaching myself coding for two years while working as cabin cleaner.
it is pretty amazing.
i'm excited for this next chapter of yours!
How much do you earn right now?
@@ramsyrama dude, he shared a lot and what you asked first was the money he makes? wtf
Yes man is it your money?@@Bruno-zh1gf
Tech goes thought these cycles of boom and bust. I am now retirement age and I have been through at least 5, but never laid off, but saw the company just sort of start dying so went on to something else. You will get a new job soon, hopefully doing something even more challenging, creative. and rewarding. Best of luck in the future!
Your storytelling is captivating and video editing is top notch. I think you can be successful in either SE or TH-cam, or both.
Excellent editing, perseverance and story telling skills - you already are successful and wish you the best
I feel u…. Been in a similar situation before and now that I have more life experiences (I’m 41) my advice is: If you decide to go then leave! Don’t let your manager/boss convince you… If you made a choice then continue going thru that path and never look back! Companies are formless entities, companies don’t have feelings and they don’t love/hate u… you are just a disposable piece, a number without name and easily replaceable!
Wow, awesome story. Thanks for sharing a part of your journey. I needed to hear this today.
I imagine these past couple of weeks had been intense for you. It's cool how you handled everything!
appreciate the support, stay tuned!
He’s positive and smiling bc the $$ is still rolling in lol. Once that stops sh*t will get real.
Damn dude sorry to hear that but it sounds like you made the right choice. I’m also a SWE in NYC at a FAANG (you could probably guess which one), happy to help you out if you choose to come back to this side of things but I’m really rooting for your channel to take off so you don’t have to!
really positive to see what happened here & how u reacted, you stood for what you beleived would "help you" through out the courese of that uncertain period! hope you enjoy your time off!! wishing u more happiness and power :))
I'm proud of you and I am inspired by you. You have so much going for you. You're going to look back at this and chuckle at some point. There may be challenges but you are up to them 100%. You got this!!
thank you so much!
Dude this video is so good. I hope all goes well with your health and work!!
thank you so much :)
You're an amazing storyteller Namanh! Glad everything is working out for you! Hope to see your next projects soon.
thank you friend
Best wishes for your health, I have been in a similar situation and been "on pause" in most life aspects for 10 months so far since health issues began right as I was going to put in my 2 weeks notice so I just stayed while figuring things out. Survived 2 layoffs so far. At the very least, I've had a lot of time to plan for worst case scenarios.
much appreciated
I resonate with this so much. Was laid off 2 weeks ago from my first SWE job, the 3rd round was also the one that got me, and it was just pure confusion and anxiousness all around. Stay strong and enjoy the break!
Yeah, it is going to be a long one for many, 1-2 years. Many will find other careers (which I highly recommend).
Great sharing all this info! Super generous! I was also laid off from a tech company a few months ago. For me personally, it's been one of the best things to ever happen to me. It was the push I was probably needing, but not brave enough to take myself.
It takes a lot of courage to admit the state of comfortability and even more courage to actually do something about it!!! I applaud you and wish you the best!!! Im excited to see where life takes you next!
Great video! This has been one of the craziest years for the job market!
I interviewed at gusto earlier this year, then layoffs happened. Glad it didn't work out. Sometimes the thing we want isn't the best for us.
Happy to see your narrative style develop and take its next big leap: reminds me more and more of the OG Casey Neistat videos; props!
thank you so much, trying to improve every day
Hi Namanh, I’ve also watched your video about how to start in computer science, and just started my journey studying Python. Not much to say but thank you for all the tips very well explained. Hope you are able to continue this new chapter in your life -pour out the old tea, and make a new one. Cheers,
That must have been a crazy couple of days for the managers. The engineer showed passion, they fight for the Engineer, company agrees to their proposal, Engineer accepts, then the very next day the Engineer decides to take the voluntary firing? I get the sense that in the future those managers are not gonna have the same heart to fight to keep a passionate Engineer as they did this time. In the best case scenario they'll watch this video and learn ways to organically inspire that Pros-Cons of staying before they go to bat for the Engineer.
Definitely not. The manager showed his true colors initially. Now the employee showed him the mirror. I think it's even.
A manager that asked someone to stay that could have left on their OWN terms, and then 3 weeks, has to tell that person they're getting the boot, is a "manager" with ZERO insight. Don't kid yourself too much either as far as managers "going to bat" for someone. We're wired for self preservation, I guarantee that manager, like any person, was saying "thank God it's not me.."
It's not that the engineer showed passion and the manager appreciated that, it was that the engineer pushed back.
Imagine someone begging you stay and turning down great offers to let them
Go… within a month.
& they knew about firing more months in advance.
Managers “fuck around” & they found out 😭
@@ChristhianGT "begging" is interpretive, and as I said, a manager that asked him to stay, most likely had zero insight as to what was coming. Logically speaking, that simply wouldn't make sense. His leaving voluntarily would have done the manager's job for him. The only motive a manager would have for stringing someone along that I can see, is the completion of a particular project they were working on.
Love your videos, best of luck in the future!
thanks bro
Thank you for sharing. Your journey has been nothing short of inspiring. Hope to be where you are someday!
the hardest decisions are almost always the most rewarding. i'm excited for this next chapter of yours! :)
Well put
Kevin, you two hang out in NYC together, or what? Should do a collab video.
@@RobertMcHalffey we have :)
Good luck brother! Recently went the same route and can't say I ever want to look back. It may be high risk, but the high reward is always alluring.
Thank you, I’m currently struggling rn as a new grad trying to find a job and this video has given me a lot of the passion that I lost when it came to software. You’ve earned a subscriber and a like!
It did the opposite for me. I've been struggling to find a job for nearly 2 years. I don't think it's worth worrying if I get to keep my job, especially after having to endure such a gruelling job search process.
Looking forward to what’s to come for you in the future. Good decision to leave and grow.
Really enjoy your content you put out
more to come!
I believe you 100% made the right call. Although it's great you managed to convince management not to get rid of you, the fact that you came within a hair's length of losing your job very shortly after your manager talked you into abandoning external offers sets a very bad precedent in my opinion, and if I was in your shoes this would have planted seeds of doubt and distrust going forward and I would have immediately started looking for another job.
Also they will keep you for this round, but you are likely to be a goner soon anyway. Ubisoft recently laid off the majority of their US based staff including myself and replaced us with people from South East Asia who likely got paid half of what we did. They decided to keep like 5-10 people and essentially exploit them by having them train all the new hires. Can you guess what they did to all the remainder of the employees after they trained the new hires? Gotta love corporate America and how greed AKA uncontrolled capitalism is destroying our country slowly. Remote work is honestly great, but the downside is you are even more replaceable now that they can get someone to do the same job for like half the salary.
That took guts my man. proud of you. please keep up updated with your journey. we all wish you the best
I also have a similar experience thank you for sharing that. The feeling of anxiety is bad but now I realize that I am free again to look for new opportunities. I feel like I need this I was too comfortable.
I think for most of us is not really leaving a company that causes anxiety.
Its rather the fact that we know that we have to go through a bunch of unpleasant and often humiliating job interviews to get our paychecks again.
Namanh bruv wishing you all the best hopes and wishes from Singapore! I’ve benefited so much from your videos and life experience; I really hope you have a good break and an awesome job comes your way after. Really happy that you preserved your sense of agency and locus of control. Rooting for your success!
appreciate the support!
I felt the anxiety in this video. Great job. Made a similar decision recently to go back to school and i am so scared of the decrease in incomes.
When youre young and flexible with little major responsibilities, what i am finding helps is to take time to create goals for 6 months from now and one year from now.
I know by next summer i want to change my career and make as much money as i am now at my last job 6 months later i wanna 50% more of that .
If those are not working, reasses things
that’s the absolute right mindset
It is impressive the perseverance and fight you put into this process. Life will bring you new opportunities. And I agree with what you said, you grow more when you are not comfortable when you get out of your comfort zone. As we say in Spanish, everything that is good costs effort but is worth it.
Sorry to hear man, but good luck on your next venture!
thanks man, i see you crushing YC let’s goooooo 👊
Absolutely loving the styles of these videos Namanh. Thanks for sharing the wild ride with all of us! Time to SEND IT!
SEND IT
Great Video dude awesome video to watch for anyone dealing with uncertainty in our lives. Wishing you and everyone else watching this vid the best in the future!
thanks!!
This was a great video of the back and forth that a lot of people have when they are deciding on what to do in their lives. Life is not as linear as we would all like to think that it is. There are a lot of ups and downs that we go through and indecisiveness that we struggle with. I wish the best for you Namanh and I hope to see more from you in the future.
You're the best Namanh. You're energy is inspirational, your videos are amazing. Rest up and work on your health. You'll bounce back better than ever!
Been watching for a while. Happy you made a choice you are confident about.
I love this. Such a power move to take back control, proud of you.
Good choice. Some words of advice, this won't be the last as well. The key here is to know when to start looking and finding a Job while you still have one so that you can bargain with the new company. Always look for signs and the moment you start seeing any type of layoff is time to move on and land a better job with higher pay while you still have leverage.
Good Luck.
all the best dude for future, hope we'll able to see the best.
the best is yet to come
The hair 💯!
I've just begun my Coding Bootcamp and definitely some shaky news as of late. Incredible how they continue to manufacture students/programmers.
Cybersecurity might be the long term route then..
Rooting for you man! 💯😊
rooting for you too
Man, sorry to hear about how it played out at the end. Definitely think you made the right choice though and leave on your own terms! Sucks we don't work together anymore and I cant brag about you to my friends but best of luck on your future man, any company would be lucky to have you.
PS. really impressed with your editing/story-telling recently. A huge level-up in every way. Keep it up! (but take care of your health and rest too)
yooo been an absolute pleasure getting to know you this past year, do keep in touch, you’ll crush it :)
Best to you! I hope you'll find something exciting ...
Went through a similar thing at the start of the year for my security engineer job, half the team was getting cut and there was 2 weeks to decide on putting yourself forward for the chopping block. I ended up putting myself forward though, not sure if they would have kept me but even if I had stayed I would have been gone at the first opportunity.
All the best on your new journey
Great courage and grit by standing by your conviction. Stay strong, brother.
love the editing skills
trying to improve!
dude just commenting to say that your video editing is so refreshing let alone the storytelling!
Great video man!
bro nice, I did something similar in essence, but like 30% of it. I decided to take a career break, right before layoffs started. I wasn't sure if I could afford it, as I had some savings but a lot of it was cut in half in the market. And I just moved to NYC too. But I did it anyways.
I've done several interviews and failed with the competition and still am preparing for other opportunities. At times it's hard, but I'm glad I had some savings, and really was important that I took a personal break for myself. We tend to limit ourselves. At worst, i can do many other jobs, even service related, or move back in with my parents lol. It's not the end of the world. Also your youtube is fire man, keep doing it, and you may not need to program again!
lol me too moved to the most expensive city in america and then said ✌️
I can feel you so much about this experience. It's like a war we've been through. After that, have a breathing spell, we can feel our life better and know ourselves better.
I hope your health gets better, as for me, I'm tired. I might switch to being a farmer. It doesn't come with the risk of losing your job overnight.
Have you tried farming ?
i might join
Farming is 20x harder than software, I assure you
Farming is thankless, unprofitable back breaking work and your farm and family can fold after one unexpected weather event. Working for a company or in an office is multiple times easier, more profitable, and less strenuous physically.
@@VeryMileyThats why farmers have insurance. Live in a farming community. But farming is hard for someone that isn't a multimillionaire.
Hey namaah, that was a very nice narration.
⛄
thanks man
good luck and get well !
good luck, in the past I have turned down offers and have been rejected offers as well, but honestly in hindsight it feels whatever happened, happened for good, im sure once you bounce back you will feel the same
everything happens for a reason
All the best bro you got this🔥
thanks man
Awesome!! Happy for you. Once you are back from the holidays, let's connect. Happy holidays!
Even I was into anxiety when I lived alone but in that lonliness i realised something, I stared getting into meditation which literally blessed me out and i realised that both sadness and happiness come from within me and never from external situation, wether I have job or not it doesn't affect my mental state I'm blissful by nature
I have never committed to any company as a software engineer. I am committed to my work as a software engineer, and for some reason, I developed the idea that companies are just tools for achieving my primary goal of buying a house and car and saving money. I was able to become debt-free in about seven years. Now, I choose when to work and who to work. That is one of software engineers' biggest perks if you are smart. A lot of people buy the corporate hype, slaving themself into embracing a culture that does not really care about you. Please do not fall for it is a trap.
Great video and good luck
thanks!
I literally stumbled across this post while battling insomnia.
This really hits home for me - as my employer is planning to layoff 40 cloud engineers.
I don’t know if I will indeed be laid off. Kinda hard to justify keeping our team with no endusers.
This post gives me hope - as either way it goes, I will survive.
Kudos for leaving on your own terms!! I wish you all the best.
I support a major application that isn't making any money. Just got word that my entire team is getting laid off and the application will move to offshore India. Start interviewing for new roles now before you get laid off, because if your product or service isn't making money, a layoff is inevitable.
Having worked oil/gas for years, the layoffs are the norms. I took the 1st round because the severance was awesome, I was able to take the year off. My coworker held out till they laid him off & he got a crap package. Ended up a moving from upstream to midstream & had better opportunities. Moving from Finance over to programming.. but I'll always have my finance to fall back on in the event of another lay off.
I am barely beginning my career as a software engineer. Is it not worth it in this day and age due to the layoffs and AI?
Dope Vids Bro
More power to you Mr Namanh
so real and honest - love it
wow hold on, did I get it right, so:
1 He gets some good offers from another companies, and tells his manager he quits.
2 Manager asks him to stay
3 He: okay
4 Three weeks later he gets fired, argues with manager he should stay. Manager is like: uuhm, no.
5 Later he convinces manager that he is worthy to stay.
6 Next day manager is like: okay. And he is like: I quit.
Ummm, okay.., who am I to judge. Interesting story though. All the best!
an apt summary but without all the emotions
Number 6 is the baller move !!!
Good luck, brother, in your next endeavours
Inspiring video!
that was a roller-coaster, but yeah benchmarking yourself on regular basis and go when you are ready , and as much as you like your colleague.. they are not your friends... some of them might be , but if their survival depend on pushing you out, they will betray you in a heart beat.
Same thing happened to me at LUNO, start of the year... great video! SUBBED!
I feel for you so much. I shared many of your emotions, but my storyline was different. I didn’t get laid off this year, but wish I did. They just cut my pay instead and acted like it due to my performance, when in reality, it wasn’t. Honestly, I would have felt much better if it was my fault, but instead I felt betrayed. My immediate reaction was to quit on the spot, but they convinced me to stay and think some more. Two months later though, I made the right call, and after a stock vest, I put in my two weeks. I didn’t worry about another job, I just left. I even posted on LinkedIn: I’m retiring, my career is done. Burn the ships, as they say. Kudos to you for doing the right thing for yourself and also for standing up for yourself the way you did. You have my respect and I will be cheering for you!
you're a beast
Been through this dear past 15 years in IT industry it is a cycle, take rest and start a new job hunt, aim bigger. Start a family brtoher, early the better :) these layoffs and stuff is common.
Hey man, I am also and nyc and would love to meet up if your down. I just to watch your video all the time when I was looking for my first job. Thank you so much!
let’s do it
Wishing you all the best
love this !
✌️
Good thing are going to happen to you! Believe in yourself. You got this
Good for you for representing yourself and making what looks to be a great decision. Do not take it personal, but move forward with enthusiasm and show them that your skills will be valued by another organization. Remember if they do not want to pay you for your skills, someone else will.
hell of a video man ! glad you got to left on your own
thanks dude
Man more power to you man.
It's kind of crazy how your livelihood is discussed behind closed doors without your input and you work at a supposedly great and awesome company in probably the best field in the world.
All the best Pal. You handled everything like a Pro.
thanks man
My company offers a similar VRP type thing. It's commonly used by much older staff as a bridge to proper retirement (there might be a few years before your pension can legally start being paid) because the terms are more lucrative depending on your final salary and your tenure.
And if your skills are particularly in demand internally, you might not even be authorised to take the package. There were two people in my team who got it - somehow one was in his 20s - and we were all asking what kind of screw up was he to basically be paid to go?
Don’t give up ..keep going bro….you have made the correct decisions by following your heart…I’m sure there will be a better opportunities for you in the future 😊
thanks man
Thanks for the inspiration.
Rooting for you Namanh. Solid watch.
bro your profile pic is elite, we need to catch up soon!!
Namah , what is your ideas about the universty is important for software , they effect so important or it depends on our effort and project which we made
Brilliant and honest video.
🙏
Cool story bro!
thanks man