I actually really liked how they portrayed Ferdinand here. As a man who truly understood how the empire worked. That the imperial system was governed through consensus and respect for the status heirachy. He observed the princes reactions all over the room, while the rest had clear tunnel vision and seeing it as a binary position of giving Luther up instead of seeing how the protestants not only raised questions about Rome and the papacy, but the entire framework of the empire. I think history underestimates how both Charles and Ferdinand actually preserved imperial cohession during this crisis, especially with the peace of Augsburg which began one of the longest periods of peace in Germany
I completely agree with you. Ferdinand was my favourite character in the show, exactly because of this. And it was a really good decision from Charles that he left the Empire to Ferdinand (instead of Philip II), because he realised his competencies in ruling the Empire.
@@Lily1127channel i must say i appreciate the vidoes of the show that you've posted, since i have never seen it myself mainly because spanish shows usually aren't that promoted internationally (or at least in my country)
@@ww12tt Thank you. Actually, I'm not Spanish myself but I must say these two Spanish historical TV shows, 'Isabel's and its sequel, 'Carlos, rey emperador' are the best historical series I've seen.
@@Lily1127channel it does seem really good, especially from the scenes i've seen. I have always been desperate for historical shows with the Holy Roman Empire given some time to shine, Maximilian das spiel von macht und liebe did a pretty fine job with the resources they had too, even though it is only 3 episodes
Anyway, what for? The Thirty Years War would ensue in the end (1618-1648), which resulted in the death of about 40% of the Empire's population... Charles should have crushed and finished the Luterans when that was still possible, and the History of the Empire and of Europe would have been different... for the better.
I really like this Luther, as the director has portrayed him .... i don't like too much the portrait of Don Carlos, but Luther .. like a shadow, a ghost, a spirit .. mute, silent .. really really liked this portrait
Yes, and they came really close in looks. I think it's partially because of the actor's facial expression. Somber, but with a sense that you cannot move him, no matter what.
It was a mistake from Charles to leave the Netherlands to his son Philip. The Netherlands should have remained within the Empire, they should have gone to Ferdinand instead. That would have been much better for Philip... and for Spain.
@@jorgejuarez4854 So what? Anyway, first and foremost he liked Flanders and Burgundy, he was from there and it's where he felt most connection with. And of course, he wished the Empire was more like Castile .... In Castile as King he could pretty much have his way and get the money he needed.... It wasn't that easy in Aragon and in the Empire.
Si se ven las escenas completas, lo que vemos es que Lutero si quería retractarse, pero se lo impide Federico de Sajonia, que quiere usar las ideas de Lutero contra Carlos V.
Sí, pero la verdad es que eso es ficción en la serie. Lutero no quería retractarse en la realidad y Federico no tenía tanta influencia sobre él que podía influir tanto una decisión tan importante de Lutero por sus intereses políticos.
@@Lily1127channel En realidad siento decirte que eso responde a las fuentes disponibles. Segun estudios de Geoffrey Parker y John Lynch, Lutero tuvo momentos en los que quiso retractarse e incluso vio con buenos ojos la idea del emperador de convocar un Concilio para debatir y reformar la Iglesia. Pero fueron los príncipes alemanes, con Federico de Sajonia a la cabeza, los que no querían ya que eso habría implicado un crecimiento de la autoridad imperial y devolver los bienes confiscados a la Iglesia. Lutero, para su desgracia, se acabó convirtiendo en lo que él acusaba a Roma: en una herramienta para los intereses políticos de otros. Y Lutero era el moderado: luego llegó el más radical Calvino y la reconciliación cristiana se volvió imposible.
@@JuandeMariana1994 No quería retractarse de las críticas contra la iglesia y contra el papá. Pero sí es cierto que no quería crear una iglesia nueva, la de los protestantes, sino hubiera preferido el idea del emperador para convocar un concilio para reformar la iglesia catolica
In the single decision by Emperor charles of arrest or not arrest, in that very second. Created all the protestant, anglican, and methodist churches of the world we have today. If Charles decided to arrest, instead of let go, the whole christian faith today would be catholic.
Maybe, but I'm not sure. Even if Luther had died, Calvin and all the others, along with Luther's followers, who were unhappy with the sins and bad things of the Catholic Church would have still lived and probably stood up against the Catholic Church. Besides, ALL THE CHRISTIAN world couldn't be Catholic even in that case, since it wasn't all Catholic back then either. The Eastern Orthodox Church has been followed in Russia and many other countries in Eastern Europe since 1054.
Not really, didn't you listen - if Luther had been arrested or killed, the German princes would have declared him a hero and the Holy Roman Empire would have split anyways. The fact of the matter is that, Charles could do little. The internal rot and corruption of the Catholic Church was so horrendous that the entire structure was bound to come crashing down. If not for Luther, someone else would have done it.
In my honest opinion, Protestant Reformation is one of the most important phase in the development of Christianity in the world. Though it caused bloodshed and disintegration of Christian world at that time, but it is a phase where church and society become more mature in practicing their religious faith.
@@cungcung5042 The Reformation hardly caused additional bloodshed, even before Christian kings had no problems waging war against each other. Charles V spend in fact most of his life fighting another catholic king, Francis I of France.
I agree with de Chièves. Carlos should have arrested Luther on the spot when he refused to recant and have him executed as a heretic. This was probably the biggest mistake of his reign.
Question of point of view. Who is a heretic? Someone who goes against the teachings of the Church? Or the Church that goes against the teachings of the Bible? Luther just wanted to return to the basics of the Bible without the additions of the Church. And was tired of the abuses and sins of the Church, too.
Luther translated his own version of the Bible and forbid Catholic Bibles in his territory because Catholic Bibles did not agree with his peculiar translation. He also forbid other Protestant Bibles because he did not trust them. Ironically, Luther became intolerant of those that did not agree with him.
He ruled part of Americas - South America, Caribbean, Central America, and 1/8 of North America + what is today Netherlands, Germany, Spain - his son Philip inherited Portugal... ooofff... More huge than Ottoman Empire.
@@carlosmarcial6201 larger does not mean better. As you can see here he needs the consensus of the German princes. The Ottoman empire was more centralized, richer and cohesive. That it take a coalition of Christian kingdoms to contain it should be evident of its power. The inly good thing is the Christian coalition could match the Ottoman sea power. Without naval supremacy they coyld not expand further into the Mediterranean. Vienna was at the tail end of land logistics. They just could not supply their massive land armies beyond that.
No, he shouldn't. That would have rallied even those Princes who were supportive of him, against him. They'd much rather deal with the Emperor and the corrupt RCC, than with the zerg horde coming from the east.
But he had nothing against the Habsburgs. For that matter, he didn't even want to break with the church. he just wanted to stop it from being the self-serving mess that it had become.
I actually really liked how they portrayed Ferdinand here. As a man who truly understood how the empire worked. That the imperial system was governed through consensus and respect for the status heirachy. He observed the princes reactions all over the room, while the rest had clear tunnel vision and seeing it as a binary position of giving Luther up instead of seeing how the protestants not only raised questions about Rome and the papacy, but the entire framework of the empire. I think history underestimates how both Charles and Ferdinand actually preserved imperial cohession during this crisis, especially with the peace of Augsburg which began one of the longest periods of peace in Germany
I completely agree with you. Ferdinand was my favourite character in the show, exactly because of this. And it was a really good decision from Charles that he left the Empire to Ferdinand (instead of Philip II), because he realised his competencies in ruling the Empire.
@@Lily1127channel i must say i appreciate the vidoes of the show that you've posted, since i have never seen it myself mainly because spanish shows usually aren't that promoted internationally (or at least in my country)
@@ww12tt Thank you. Actually, I'm not Spanish myself but I must say these two Spanish historical TV shows, 'Isabel's and its sequel, 'Carlos, rey emperador' are the best historical series I've seen.
@@Lily1127channel it does seem really good, especially from the scenes i've seen. I have always been desperate for historical shows with the Holy Roman Empire given some time to shine, Maximilian das spiel von macht und liebe did a pretty fine job with the resources they had too, even though it is only 3 episodes
Anyway, what for? The Thirty Years War would ensue in the end (1618-1648), which resulted in the death of about 40% of the Empire's population... Charles should have crushed and finished the Luterans when that was still possible, and the History of the Empire and of Europe would have been different... for the better.
Cómo me encanta la ternura de Fernando que pena que no haya tenido más participación en la serie
where can i buy Emperor's hat?
I really like this Luther, as the director has portrayed him .... i don't like too much the portrait of Don Carlos, but Luther .. like a shadow, a ghost, a spirit .. mute, silent .. really really liked this portrait
Yes, and they came really close in looks. I think it's partially because of the actor's facial expression. Somber, but with a sense that you cannot move him, no matter what.
We don't like you, you're a troll, Don Carlos was very well portrayed here
It's rather weird hearing Luther speak Spanish! However, I understand that he probably wouldn't have spoken German here either, but Latin.
IIRC he first spoke German, and then was asked to repeat what he'd said in Latin, so the Emperor could understand.
It was a mistake from Charles to leave the Netherlands to his son Philip. The Netherlands should have remained within the Empire, they should have gone to Ferdinand instead. That would have been much better for Philip... and for Spain.
Charles liked more Spain than Germany
@@jorgejuarez4854 So what? Anyway, first and foremost he liked Flanders and Burgundy, he was from there and it's where he felt most connection with. And of course, he wished the Empire was more like Castile .... In Castile as King he could pretty much have his way and get the money he needed.... It wasn't that easy in Aragon and in the Empire.
@@arnauuu1 He decided to die in Castille... Not in Flanders
@@jorgejuarez4854 He was recommended sun for his health... And in Flanders there were issues to deal with. He wanted peace.
@@arnauuu1 In my opinion he loved more Spain that germany, that is why he gave Spain to his son(with flanders) but the important was Spain
Si se ven las escenas completas, lo que vemos es que Lutero si quería retractarse, pero se lo impide Federico de Sajonia, que quiere usar las ideas de Lutero contra Carlos V.
Sí, pero la verdad es que eso es ficción en la serie. Lutero no quería retractarse en la realidad y Federico no tenía tanta influencia sobre él que podía influir tanto una decisión tan importante de Lutero por sus intereses políticos.
@@Lily1127channel En realidad siento decirte que eso responde a las fuentes disponibles. Segun estudios de Geoffrey Parker y John Lynch, Lutero tuvo momentos en los que quiso retractarse e incluso vio con buenos ojos la idea del emperador de convocar un Concilio para debatir y reformar la Iglesia. Pero fueron los príncipes alemanes, con Federico de Sajonia a la cabeza, los que no querían ya que eso habría implicado un crecimiento de la autoridad imperial y devolver los bienes confiscados a la Iglesia. Lutero, para su desgracia, se acabó convirtiendo en lo que él acusaba a Roma: en una herramienta para los intereses políticos de otros. Y Lutero era el moderado: luego llegó el más radical Calvino y la reconciliación cristiana se volvió imposible.
@@JuandeMariana1994 No quería retractarse de las críticas contra la iglesia y contra el papá. Pero sí es cierto que no quería crear una iglesia nueva, la de los protestantes, sino hubiera preferido el idea del emperador para convocar un concilio para reformar la iglesia catolica
In the single decision by Emperor charles of arrest or not arrest, in that very second. Created all the protestant, anglican, and methodist churches of the world we have today. If Charles decided to arrest, instead of let go, the whole christian faith today would be catholic.
Maybe, but I'm not sure. Even if Luther had died, Calvin and all the others, along with Luther's followers, who were unhappy with the sins and bad things of the Catholic Church would have still lived and probably stood up against the Catholic Church.
Besides, ALL THE CHRISTIAN world couldn't be Catholic even in that case, since it wasn't all Catholic back then either. The Eastern Orthodox Church has been followed in Russia and many other countries in Eastern Europe since 1054.
There had been earlier attempts to reform as well, Jan Huss for one.
Not really, didn't you listen - if Luther had been arrested or killed, the German princes would have declared him a hero and the Holy Roman Empire would have split anyways. The fact of the matter is that, Charles could do little. The internal rot and corruption of the Catholic Church was so horrendous that the entire structure was bound to come crashing down. If not for Luther, someone else would have done it.
In my honest opinion, Protestant Reformation is one of the most important phase in the development of Christianity in the world. Though it caused bloodshed and disintegration of Christian world at that time, but it is a phase where church and society become more mature in practicing their religious faith.
@@cungcung5042 The Reformation hardly caused additional bloodshed, even before Christian kings had no problems waging war against each other. Charles V spend in fact most of his life fighting another catholic king, Francis I of France.
I agree with de Chièves. Carlos should have arrested Luther on the spot when he refused to recant and have him executed as a heretic. This was probably the biggest mistake of his reign.
Organizados videos por capitulo. Pq fora da ordem não entendo.
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Lutero brave man of God!
Yarie Oster Lutero era um herege.
Question of point of view. Who is a heretic? Someone who goes against the teachings of the Church? Or the Church that goes against the teachings of the Bible? Luther just wanted to return to the basics of the Bible without the additions of the Church. And was tired of the abuses and sins of the Church, too.
Luther translated his own version of the Bible and forbid Catholic Bibles in his territory because Catholic Bibles did not agree with his peculiar translation. He also forbid other Protestant Bibles because he did not trust them. Ironically, Luther became intolerant of those that did not agree with him.
Luther was the one who initiated the process to put an end to the abuses and excesses ofthe corrupted Catholic Church at that time. Idiot or not.
Most of his followers were poor and ordinary people. I don't know how corrupt they could have been.
charles was not most powerful at that time
ahmed saeed : He was lol he ruled close to a quarter of Europe and the world.
He ruled part of Americas - South America, Caribbean, Central America, and 1/8 of North America + what is today Netherlands, Germany, Spain - his son Philip inherited Portugal... ooofff... More huge than Ottoman Empire.
@@carlosmarcial6201 don't forget Italy
@@carlosmarcial6201 larger does not mean better. As you can see here he needs the consensus of the German princes. The Ottoman empire was more centralized, richer and cohesive. That it take a coalition of Christian kingdoms to contain it should be evident of its power. The inly good thing is the Christian coalition could match the Ottoman sea power. Without naval supremacy they coyld not expand further into the Mediterranean. Vienna was at the tail end of land logistics. They just could not supply their massive land armies beyond that.
Luthr shoudve allied wid ottomans and take down the hasburgs
Ally with the Ottomans. That would be an awful mistake. lol.
No, he shouldn't. That would have rallied even those Princes who were supportive of him, against him. They'd much rather deal with the Emperor and the corrupt RCC, than with the zerg horde coming from the east.
That would be great maybe Europe would be as peaceful and civilised as the Middle East if that had happened. You can only dream.
If Luther sided with the Ottomans, in other words, Muslims, he would have lost all credibility.
But he had nothing against the Habsburgs. For that matter, he didn't even want to break with the church. he just wanted to stop it from being the self-serving mess that it had become.