Japanese Karate Sensei Reacts To Tang Soo Do For The FIRST Time!
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The green belt with red stripe is the last belt
Can you see a TH-cam video of Ruperts karate academy that my teacher
@@bryanaguiar1036 I subbed
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@@gabriellee9963 thanks
I love how he doesn’t criticize any style when he’s watching them (from what I’ve seen), but instead compares them to his style and explains the differences.
This is what a true martial artist does. They do not say one is better than the other
@@f1ibraaa facts
@@f1ibraaaexactly like you can make a judo and karate video people will compare it to Muay Thai
they pretty much all do it now but it's only because mma & the ufc tournaments shut 'em all the hell up. but back in the day japanese karate guys went around with this chip on their shoulder & were very condescending to other arts that weren't japanese.
@@user-kz5jm8tn3woh yeah makes sense but for me karate got me into other martial arts
The red stripe denotes Master status. Also, different schools teach slightly different variations. I've trained TSD for 30 years, the groin strike in our dojang was always palm up.
Palm up me to I see a lot of schools take these big high steps we don’t do that at my school or other schools I trained
Same for me Ive been doing TSD for about 9 years.
Same here for palm up. It's like grabbing the crotch and tearing off the balls ;-)
It's a spearhand(kwon soo)strike to the groin, followed by a grab and ripping motion.
yeah i train tang soo do, my previous hyung was actually pyung cho dan and we also used our palm facing up for groin strike
Tang Soo Do Student Here! 😁❤️🥋 Pyung Oo Dan Is my current form I just started learning. I just earned my red belt! 🎉😁
Update 8/4/22 : Currently 1st Gup ( Red Belt 2 stripes) and preparing for my black belt test in the next 1-3 years depending how many pre tests it takes before my master says I’m ready to test for black belt.
I’ve done Bassai and am currently working on Naihanchi.
Congrats! There's a lifetime of learning ahead! TANG SOO!!!
Congratulations! You have come far! Midnight blue next! Tang Soo!
I earned my a month or two ago too
you might get me as a techer
Congrats!!
Taekwondo and kung fu practitioner here, I would say the first guy was more polished. Keep up the good work! Much respect to your channel.
The first guy is my dad!
@buster balls how did he do a horrible form?
@@dwightvaldez3274 he’s trolling.
@@dwightvaldez3274 Joey is a badass
@@freelanceryuu lol maybe so but I also wanted to see his opinion on why. I ain’t mad but he did the videos on a broken toe and a cold. Lol Master Hurt is crazy lol
I understand that most of Korean masters who founded schools after the Japanese ocupation in WW2 trained in japanese martial arts like karate, kendo, judo, etc. (since all native korean culture practices were banned) and they founded the new styles out of this arts. Most Karate related styles in Korea come from a Shotokan base and a few of them have also kung fu elements but those a minor i think.
They trained in shotokan, shudokan, judo, kendo and Daito-ryu aikijutsu. That's why Korean judoka are some of the best. Kendo is known as kumdo, even they (Koreans) like claiming that it predates kendo. Daito-ryu became hapkido. Shotokan became Tang Soo Do and Shudokan became Kong Soo Do. All roads lead back to Japan, not 2000 years ago like the Koreans like to claim.
It is clear that Taekwondo was influenced by karate.
However, that does not mean that all Taekwondo techniques come from karate.
especially Most of the Taekwondo kick techniques were made by Koreans or came from korean kicking style!
@@user-fb7xq6lx8v Hi my friend, I think it was more than "influenced by.." they use Karate as the core foundation to create Taekwondo. And it took years and years of revision and study to evolve into the Taekwondo we see today. What they were really influenced by was the Kicking techniques from Taekkyon which they later added to their core karate kicking techniques and the result is the Taekwondo kicks that are different from both karate and taekkyon.
Thanks for showing interest in my comments.
Modern karate and early karate are quite different. If you search on TH-cam and Google, you will find that the early karates like Shotokang Karate have only basic kicks.
It is the kicking techniques that determine the identity of Taekwondo. Even if you say the origin of Taekwondo is karate because the clothes, belt system, and some poomsae(kata) of the Taekwondo are the same or similar, I do not want to argue about it.
What I want to say is that Taekwondo's identity lies in its various kicks and kickstyles, and these are unique to Taekwondo, not from karate.
And if you admit that karate influenced taekwondo enough to be called the origin of taekwondo, conversely, I want you to admit that modern karate has also been influenced by the various kicks of taekwondo.
@@user-fb7xq6lx8v Hi. Of course there has been changes in the martials arts over time, not only in karate and taekwondo. The trademark of taekwondo are its kicks but there are more changes in the form and mechanics to do hand techniques also and others things that make taekwondo its own martial art different from karate the same way karate was build on the foundations of kung fu, but now karate is its own art and so.
And yes, of course karate have borrowed kicks from taekwondo and that can be see specially in competitions. Ive seen top karate competitors train in teakwondo, boxing and kickboxing to improve their techniques. And its Great lol.
I have been training in Tang Soo Do for 25 years. The way a Hyung (kata) is performed usually reliant on the association they belong to. The high kicks and jumping are to teach agility and coordination. The masters belt is the black belt with red stripe. If you have any questions please feel free to reach out.
Hello maskedfishing is tang soo do effective for street fights?
@@chris5528 if you watch the video it's very similar to Shotokan and ITF TKD. The latter served me quite well, even if 90%+ of the time I keep my heavyweight foot on the ground.
Learn the art, but you must choose your favored strategies and practice like you want to use them.
Aka hit the f***ing thing lol
@@chris5528 it really depends on the dojo as for the purpose. The Katas are brutal if you look into some of the interpretations. If you need a keyword to Google, applications of kata is called 'bunkai.'
@@chris5528 yes.
The whole philosophy of TSD was originally based on the idea that if an invader is threatening your home / property / person, you have no choice but to end their life as quickly as possible (one strike kill).
Because such a morally heavy responsibility must be tempered with good judgment and strength of spirit, practitioners are extensively trained to avoid the use of our deadly art unless absolutely necessary.
To that end, there is an incredible amount of practice in both “one-step sparring” (il soo sik) to build muscle memory against common attacks, and in self-defense techniques (ho sin sul) that are specific to street fighting.
The regular practice and memorization of these techniques creates automatic reactions that will end a street fight without having to resort to the deadlier parts of the training.
I’ve been in a handful of situations where I was forced to use martial arts in self-defense or someone else’s defense and each time these automatic sequences took over and ended the encounter in seconds.
@@chris5528please define street fight
I have trained Tang Soo Do for 13 years. I learned palm up with bunkai of grab the groin and yank it. My instructor told me that they sometimes censor this for kids. The bunkai for kids is to grab the inseam for a take-down.
The red stripe is master level (fouth degree and up).
Long and low stances are emphasized. We know that is not practical in a real fight. We use forms as a strength and conditioning exercise in addition to practicing fighting application.
Chamboring the hand high is also emphasized. (I get corrected for that all the time.) It is about not getting lazy or sloppy with the non-punching hand.
My favorite is the second group. Watching the red belt in the back shows the quality of the the instruction and the attention to detail. They have good preparatory position and good extension.
The first one is not wearing a traditional Tang Soo Do uniform. I'm curious what organization he is from.
I was at the international tournament in Rotterdam in 2013! (Traveled from California, USA)
Thanks for your feedback. SALUTE! 🥂
Hey is tang soo do effective for street fights?
I do TSD. "Tang Soo Do" is the Korean pronunciation of "Karate do" in old kanji, meaning "China hand way." This is what karate was called in Korea before they adopted the name tae kwon do. All the forms are very close to traditional karate forms.
The guy in the second video with a red stripe in his belt is at least 4th dan.
May I ask you a question?
What's the difference between tang soo do and tae kwon do?
@@adityalegowo7480 The Korean martial arts of TaeKwondo and Tang Soo Do have so much in common, while also having some key differences. Both were created out of turmoil in Korea and later became highly organized martial arts that are practiced by millions.
So what is the difference between Taekwondo and Tang Soo Do? Tang Soo Do is a Korean form of Japanese Shotokan Karate.It balances kicking and punching and uses the hips for more powerful kicks. TaeKwonDo comes from the older Korean form Taekkyon and uses more kicks and generates its power through a combination of speed and accuracy.
Tang Soo Do(also known as Dang Soo Do) shares a similar origin story to that of TaeKwondo. It was also created during the end of Japanese colonialism in Korea. The martial art is a mix of Korean martial arts like TaeKwondo(Taekkyon and Subak), also including Shotokan Karate and a form of Kung Fu.
@@adityalegowo7480 All the korean striking arts started out just as japanese karate--most of the founders of korean schools trained in japan--but they had certain korean influences. Easiest one to see is the greater height and variety of kicks. Most korean martial artists called the art "tang soo do" which is just the korean pronunciation of the old kanji for "karate do".
In the 1950s, some koreans wanted to create their own national style, basically for political/cultural reasons. They came up with the name "tae kwon do". At first it was just the same as karate which you can see if you look at tkd from the 1950s/60s.
As time went on they changed the forms. They introduced new sparring rules for the 1988 Olympics which led to the high kicks, hands-down style you see today in the WTF. Also the "sine wave" stepping thing was introduced in the 1990s I believe.
But the roots are in japanese karate.
@@whitewh1 not all Korean striking arts are derived from karate. There’s taekkyon and subak, both originate from Korea
@@adityalegowo7480 Tang Soo Do(From shotokan) + Taekkeon(Korean traditional martial arts. It can kick to legs for prevent opponent kick attack and Head kick for attack. It can’t kick to body. And can knock over) = Tae Kwon Do
@4:02 Me: that's an interesting new way of bowing.
Sensei: "oh look, he made a mistake already."
Me: "yeah that makes more sense."
As a TaeKwonDo and Soo Bahk Do (formerily/also known as Tang Soo Do) practicioner, I am delighted to see this. The forms you chose to review are 8ncidently all versions of karate kata (perhaps you chose them to compare them directly?) But there are so many other forms, specific to TSD that are a whole lot different and complex.. I'd love to ser your reaction to some of those..
Try search for "Chil Sung Sa Dan Hyung" , "Du Moon Hyung" or the "Yuk Ro" series of forms.. I enjoy your content, btw. :-)
I agree -- it'd be cool to see his reaction to the unique Subak-Do forms and the ones developed off of the Muyedobotongji.
It's interesting to see and read it. In old ages in Korea Subakhdo or Sobakhdo was an ancestry style before Tangsudo. The old name of Tangsudo is Kongsudo. The term subakhdo in Tangsudo is a tribute to the ancestral style of subakhdo and also because Tangsudo took many forms of subakhdo, and there in Korean martial books subakhdo is much older than Tangsudo. That was worth it.
I was training for 8 years in Tang Soo Do.
In our dojo. From green belt up our students had excellent form and speed. I was a bit surprised to see so many high ranking black belts that had neither. Those must be the McDojos I have been hearing about.
I love that you reacted to Amkor's Naihanchi in the second clip. I've trained Tang Soo Do for years, and their schools produce the highest quality TSD I've ever seen. Thank you for the reaction, sir!
TSD is an excellent strong style. Chuck Norris is their most famous practitioner.
Woah! You mean that guy that pushes the earth down when doing push-ups? Definitely strong style!
Chuck Norris sucked until he studied karate and boxing.
True story.
Chuck Norris fake practioner TSD
He WAS a famous practitioner. Then he made up "his own system" and left.
More relevant to me is that Tang Soo Do is Cobra Kai in the real world.
@@theradgegadgie6352 It also looks similar to itf tkd which I practice.
TKD, HKD, and TSD practitioner here, I thought the last one was the most entertaining to watch, but the second guy was the most skilled
as someone who has done TSD for 10 years and does both of the fors that the third guys did they did it completely differently in lots of ways other than the weird fight section in the middle. also the fight section was off-putting because of how fake their reactions are.
Tang Soo Do was the style that Chuck Norris trained in while he was stationed in Korea.
U mean when korea was stationed next to chuck norris
Exactly. Its all the same especially when sparring starts. Hard blocks, backfist, spearfist, crescent kicks, all go out the window
Back then he was Carlos Norris
@@lancehobbs8012 no, they don’t. I learned a spinning crescent last week and my primary strike in sparring is a strong back fist. And All my hard blocks from kata stayed when I started sparring
I am Tang Soo Do practitioner, and when we do the spear low it is palm UP like yours, the red stripe is a Masters Belt 4th dan and Above. And Naihanchinfornme we step next to the foot it depends on the federation and or American Tang Soo Do or Korean. Crescent kick at the end of Bassai.
I prefer the 1st 2 guys personally.
Tang Soo Do is misunderstood by many who think of it as a monolithic style. Before the introduction of the term taekwondo in early 1955, all Korean karate organizations called their arts either tangsoodo or kongsoodo. 99.9% of current tangsoodo schools are Tang Soo Do Moo Duk Kwan or have their roots in Moo Duk Kwan. There is considerable variation in different organization's hyung (kata). As an instructor for over 40 years, I see numerous errors in these forms, and many of them you have pointed out in your observations. Some would argue otherwise, but to them I always ask "What is the bunhae/bunkai?". With exception of two forms, Rohai and O Sip Sa Bo (Gojushiho) from Shudokan, all Tang Soo Do hard-style forms are Shotokan versions, with some very minor alterations.
Awesome! Tang Soo Do practitioner here and from the Netherlands, so happy you showed our team :D For your first question about the spear hand I also wonder, I've also been taught to have palm facing up and never seen it like that before.
Red strip is 4th dan and up
The founder of Tang Soo Do, Hwang Kee, took a lot of inspiration from ,amongst others, Shotokan, which explains the similarities. Going way back the basis is also in the Hwa Rang warriors and Hwa Rang Do.
As for which I liked best in the forms, I of course have a slight bias towards the Dutch ;) But I'd agree that for practicality, the first was better. But I also believe for the team it wouldn't be possible to keep that intensity up as their form was super long, so dividing the energy was key there. You can find plenty of their solo forms online, where you will see the difference in performance. And no, it doesn't have to be bunkai related to the form they're performing ;)
As a Shuri-te (Shorin Ryu) practitioner, I notice that they step over instead of move laterally. The laterally motion is for sensitivity,.especially in low lighting. Also, instead of punching across, it's a double block, or double punch. This concepts, or reasons for motions, are for different purposes but easily adaptable.
I've been training Taekwondo since 1999, I''m a 3rd Dan. I have been training karate also for a couple of years with my daughter and I'm an orange belt. I know Yondan and I am learning Godan.
I attended my first Tang Soo Do class tonight. Their 4th form is Heidan Shodan, I was so surprised.
The warm up, basics and the kicking on the pads had me sweating. I misheard and thought they said 40 kicks so gave it my all switching sides every kick digging it in. It was 40 on each side, 40 on the other.
It was a good hard fitness session but no sparring just light touch at the end.
I spent two years of someone correcting my form and Kata from Taekwondo to Karate "Get lower, a straighter knife hand".
After we warmed up we did the basics and the instructor moved my low blocking hand from past my knee to the inside of my knee. I smiled and held in a laugh.
I will go again next Tuesday as well. They were a good committed group.
PS I also did normal jiu jitsu but wasn't feeling challenged enough so I got a blue belt in BJJ... as that's all people seem to care about at the moment.
Fantastic to see Tang Soo Do again. I trained in Moo Duk Kwan in my younger years with Sa Bu Nim Kim. Very professional and polite. Always smiling even when disciplining us for forgetting respect. Lol. I will never forget the feeling after a two hour session. Energized and completely positive. I was in Bristol in England at the time.
Thank you for posting very happy memories. 👍
Yes! You gotta check out some of the vintage videos of Tang Soo Do / Soo Bahk Do's founder, Grand Master Hwang Kee, training. Much like you discovered with TKD, modern TSD and older TSD are very different. The back foot on the front-stance, for example, used have the toes pointing forward, like you're riding skis instead of a skateboard. That "hook kick" is an outside-to-inside crescent kick. As you can see, we use them a lot in this art. A great kicking chain is front-leg inside / outside, to rear-leg outside / inside, to spinning front-leg inside / outside, and then either a rear-leg round kick or side kick.
And to answer your question: Sa Bom Nim (Master Instructor; second one, with red stripe) had the best technique. Notice how his fists relax after every strike. This is one of our 8 Key Concepts called "shin chook." Or "relax / expand, tense / contract." Every technique is thrown while relaxed and the tension comes just before the point of impact.
I learned TSD under Grand Master Kim and his son who. GM Kim was trained by Hwang Kee and sent to America to spread TSD.
The red stripe in the center of the belts denotes anyone of 4th Dan or higher, depending on the organization. In some, the red stripe is reserved only for those who have fulfilled the requirements to be a Master Instructor, or SaBom Nim. In other organizations, the title SaBom Nim is awarded upon achieving 4th Dan.
There are a lot of comments saying the first man was so much more polished and precise than the others. He is the most senior of the people demonstrating. IIRC, the man demonstrating Pyong Ahn O Dan was a 5th or 6th Dan at the time of that filming. Compared to the lower ranks, especially the team of 2nd Dans demonstrating at the end of the video, it makes sense that the higher rank would perform better. It's the difference between 6-9 years training and 25-30+ years training.
Regarding the first gentleman's hand positioning during the spearhands, I have always performed and taught it as being palm up. I do recall there being an application for having the hand sideways, but I can't remember what it may have been.
This was a very interesting video. I love that you approached this, not from a standpoint of Shotokan being superior, but from a standpoint of wanting to understand another art's perspective. Would you do another one on Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan?
Been doing Tang Soo Do/Moodukkwan for years. I was taught to push my knees over my ankles and do a proper hip tilt in the horse stance. However my instructors have trained in Shotokan as well as TSD/TKD. Also palm up on the groin strike. The variety between schools in America and Korea are all different and distant from each other. Thanks for the video. Much appreciated.
Thanks for this representation of the art I practice.
Thank you, sir, for taking some of our suggestions and looking into Tang Soo Do!
Why? Why not just go to Shotokan or another Japanese (or Okinawan) Karate style and learn the original and real thing? If not, that’s ok too. It’s still a good art. I studied both, just seems most of us go from TSD to Karate later for a deeper experience.
Tang Soo Do uses midnight blue as our Dan rank belt. The red stripe is for Sah Bom Nim or master rank, typically 4th Dan and higher. The use of midnight blue is related to Korea’s cultural meaning of the color black.
Specifically, black signifies that there is nothing left to learn, only a void. Midnight blue, however, is as vast as the nighttime sky. You'll never learn all there is to know, even if you study for a lifetime.
@@ScottGarrettDrums In our Tang Soo Do school we use black belt - black to us however symbolizes that the learning never ends because the void must constantly be filled with knowledge.
@@Shadowman9348 To which organization do you belong? I remember there was one that uses black, but only one. In general Tang Soo Do use midnight blue, according to the philosophy noted above (black suggesting perfection), and because they wanted originally to be different from anything in Japan.
@@TSDtim Our Dojang is independent and belongs to no organization. The head instructor broke away from any TSD associations so that he could teach us other things freely instead of just the main curriculum of Tang Soo Do.
@@Shadowman9348 What extra stuff does he teach or change from the original?
Almost all the founders of the 9 original kwans of Tango Soo Do and Later Tae Kwon Do have studied Shotokan Karate, except one who have studied with Kanken Toyama´s Shundokan. But almost all the Tang So Do syllabus become from Shoto Kan Karate. Korea was a Japanese Clony and the young Koreans who have university studies had have to live in Japan. When Korea reach its independence founded its own karate styles which were the 5 and then 9 original kwans.
One of the origal kwan founder whose name is Hwan Kee have no records of Shoto Kan sudies, but his katas (forms) are identical to shotokan karate too.
The first practitioner is my favorite I’ve been following him for years he does a wonderful job
Korean Style Karate! Prototype of Taekwondo~!!
It make sense that Tang So Do looks like Shotokan, that was the main base style used to create Tang So Do. The higher kicks were influenced by Taekkyeon.
I studied Karate (Shorinjiryu, an Okinawan style, and then Seido Karate) in my twenties and thirties. In my forties and fifties, because there was no karate dojo’s where I was living at the time, I switched to Taekwondo and Hopkido.
As you know, In many karate styles, most katas are Shotokan based.
One thing, I noticed (and I don’t know if this is true for all schools of Taekwondo, or just Kukkiwan WTF), the forms kata/poomse kept evolving. There would be subtle changes incorporated into the form to increase their efficiency, and effectiveness.
When I studied Seido Karate with Kaicho Tadashi Nakamura (NYC in the 1980’s/1990’s) he created his own forms to allow for his innovations, however, at the same time, we were taught all the traditional forms, stances originally in Shotokan, and Kyokushin Kai.
The major difference I experienced between Korean and Japanese styles is all the high kicks. Even in tournament sparring, punches are less relied upon. I found hands would often drop, because range was based upon kicking. Also, a boxing bouncing stance is more common, to see in Taekwondo, where one would inch up on one’s opponent, rather than a slide to angles.
I’m enjoying watching your series, commenting on “The Karate Kid”, and “Cobra Kai”. It’s refreshing your techniques and Japanese culture commentaries. I’m impressed by all the young actors in the Netflix series, one can see the choreography is well thought out, even if it’s a bit flashy for a real street fight, or tournament competition sparring. I’ll be interested to watch your review of the episodes at the end of season 4.
Thank you, OSU! 🙏
I studied both Tang Soo Do and Shotokan, I enjoy the differences. The red line on the Tang Soo Do black belt denotes a Fourth Dan.
For anyone wondering about the belts (two years later):
Yes, he is the highest there.
In the World Tang Soo Do Association,First, second, and third degree (Cho, E, and Sam Dan) are black belts with one, two, or three white stripes respectively at the end of the left side of their belts.
Fourth degree and Fifth degree (Sah Dan and Oh Dan) masters have a red line along the middle of their belts (they look the same for some reason)
Sixth and Seventh degrees (Yuk and Chil Dans) also look the same, except with two thinner red stripes along the center of their belts. Eight and degrees are considered to be Grandmasters, and their belt is actually white and red blocks, alternating along the belt.
There is only ever one Ninth degree grandmaster (as far as I'm aware) and their belt is black with red blocks, still alternating.
Note: 4 or more golden stripes at the end of the belt are sometimes seen. People with these belts are "Instructors," not masters. I personally do not know the difference, and it's not really important for a youtube comment anyways. Have an above average day!
It would be great if you could react to HEMA(Historical European Martial Arts)
I took Shorin Ryu Matsumura while on Okinawa. The self defence is not always taken from the kata as in Shotokan. It is often used at the discretion of the practitioners, and not all techniques are the exact replica of kata. For instance the kicks may not be perfect, but usable.
I used to spar with a world class kickboxer who told me that I had real good defence. When he made an opening...I capitalized on it. Respect.
The first performer, as far as the way he positions his hand for the groin strike/grab is a variation of the original version. I have Hwang Khee's book and he teaches it the same way that it is taught in Shotokan. Tang Soo Do, I have noticed, often has many variations of the way there forms are taught as far as the depth and width of their stances; different hand positions, and how their kicks are performed from organization to organization.
The guy in the second clip is the highes. The red stripe in the middle of the belt is a master level belt.
Your picture shows GM Jhoon Rhee training with Bruce Lee. GM Rhee was a student of Chung Do Kwan TSD. It was one of the first kwans to adopt the name Tae Kwon Do (along with Oh Do Kwan) in 1955, because General Choi Hong Hi was head of both kwans.
Nagano sensei, ogenki desu ka? My name is Don and am Chinese American, 1st one in my family born in the US. My background in the martial arts begins in my freshman year at UC Berkeley with tae kwon do (13 years total, 2nd dan advanced beginner), hapkido (Korean form of aikido, 3rd Kub - Kyu) and judo (9 months, no ranking). In 1983, I began training in Chinese martial arts with the Cantonese style of Hung Gar (Hung family and a Southern Shaolin style), Yang style tai chi, half of the N. Shaolin hand forms, and Sun style tai chi for almost 40 years. My Chinese martial arts training overlapped with the tae kwon do for about 3 years. If you look at the history of Tang Soo Do, many of the practitioners returned to Korea from Japan after WW II and brought back their knowledge of what they learned in Japan and China and combined with native Korean martial arts. The original kanji used for kara in karate was the one for Tang, as in Tang dynasty or Tode in the Ryu Kyu language. Due to the pre-war nationalism, Funakoshi sensei changed the Chinese character to the similar sounding one for "empty." So the kata (hyung in Korean for image) brought back from Japan were those of Okinawan origin. Although I hadn't learned these forms in my tae kwon do training (the forms were already modernized except for Basic Form 1 = Kibon Il (1) Bo, by the time I had started training), I know that the forms that you reviewed were the Korean pronunciations of the Chinese characters, example: Mandarin - Ping An, Okinawan - Pin An, Japanese - Hei An, Korean - Pyong An. As to the Naifanchi (2nd form on the video), you commented on the fist's chamber positioning being high (next to the pectoral muscle). I discovered that when one chambers higher, it tightens the muscles like a spring would tighten more and have more potential energy. With punching forward, there is more power when the "spring" and potential energy is released. Also, if one is punching to the solar plexus target, one is punching downward and using gravity to assist, as opposed to punching upward from the hip. I only move the fist to the higher chamber position right before punching, as it is difficult to maintain the higher chamber due to muscle tightness. Please try this out to see if you can feel any difference.
I got my 3rd Dan in TSD back in 2000 and I used to teach preschoolers and preteens back then. I also took up Tae Kwon Do and Karate for a while after TSD and found that it wasn’t so hard to excel in TKD and Karate given my experience in TSD. TSD felt like a mix of TKD and Karate with TKD focusing on more kicks and Karate on hand techniques. But I given the similarities, while learning TKD and Karate, and though I was a 3rd Dan in TSD, I felt like I had so much more to learn from both TKD and Karate.
The happiest memories from my younger days.
I trained in TSD from 2002 to 2018 when i unfortunately severed the tendons in my hand. I tested up to 4th Dan. Watching this brought back memories of learning the forms
I study tang soo do, and my association (different from the first video) we use the hand flat, not sideways. There are variations between different associations and federations with certain movements
Great observations. I studied Tang Soo Do Moo Duk Kwan in Bad Hersfeld, Germany from 1978 - 1982, my instructor and I were both in the Army at the time.
Pat Johnson and Chuck Norris was learned Tang soo do in 1950s~1960s at South Korea
And they founded America Tang soo do assosiation.
Pat Johnson Is also martial art director Karate kid and Cobra kai series. Thats why Tang soo do is Cobra Kai's Karate
Tang soo do practitioner here. Over 20 years and currently 3rd dan. Technique and stances do vary depending on school. Instead of palm strike to the groin we do spear hand to the tender area beside the groin and then rip the …. Off. Lol. I come from a small independent school. We don’t use the red middle strip belts. We use colored tape for dan rank. White for 1st, yellow 2nd, green 3rd, red 4th. From what i read the red middle strip belts recognize 4th dans as masters. So most 4th dans are considered masters. My school completely separates rank and the title master. Most recently a 6th dan earned master rank. Probably figure it all depends on the head of the schools and their lineage. Also sometimes instructors change things.
Been studying Tang Soo Do (ITF) for 23 years now.
1. In regards to the ending knife-hand in Pyung Ahn O Dan (which btw that guy did things a bit different from how I've been taught), it's because it's supposed to be a groin strike, then a grab. Not very pleasant.
2. Red stripe on the belt means he's a master (4th dan or higher). Also, we call it "keema hyung" instead of naihanchi. And the picking up of the leg is to emphasize the stomp.
3. In TSD, the forms are called palche deh and kong sohn deh. Definitely would have some nits to pick on the stances of those three, but maybe it's just style differences.
Really interesting to see different styles of TSD, though. Some of them even do choon bee (ready stance) differently.
I'm a black belt in Shotokan and trained up to red belt in Tang Soo Do, this was cool to watch and so much similarities
This is great and love your content! I practice Tang Soo Do and am currently a third degree Dan with the American Tang Soo Do Association. The palm sideways low strike we do more often now than the inverted palm strike and it is a ridge hand (or reverse knife hand). tucking the thumb and hitting with the hand.
Im a tang so do student and this is awesome
I greatly appreciate your review and comparison of these different form. It was done with a welcoming and non-critical approach. I'm a Soo Bahk Do practitioner since 04'. In reference to the 1st form, my instruction has always been the groin strike with my palm up. Thank you again for your charitable approach
The founder of Tang soo do and also the Chung do kwan gym was Won Kuk Lee, who studied under Gichin Funakoshi and his son Gigo. And Won Kuk Lee was quoted as modern Tang Soo do and Taekwondo overemphasizes high kicks. His Tang Soo do was more inline
Alright!!! I'm expecting that you'll make a video of it too!!!! Thank you for this info.
Finger spear to the center under the sternum (rib cage), right under the Xiphoid process. The diaphragm for the lungs is exposed and is utilized for minimal effort to knock the wind from the person used on.
It's probably already been commented on but to answer your questions about the belt:
Many TSD schools Cho Dan (Sho Dan) black belts are actually dark blue or "midnight blue" instead of black. Black represents perfection, and as no one is perfect and always seeking perfection the dark blue is used instead. Some schools however do use black belts. The red stripe on the belt represents a master/teacher level, usually 4th degree and higher. Some schools will even have another type of striped belt for senior Dan levels.
The knife hand in the first form, must be a variation depending on the school he trained at, I learned palm up for the low knife hand strikes myself.
I do the exact Kata in my Karate school, we call it "Pyoung Oh Dan"
I'm black belt 1st degree and still learning new katas and remember this by heart
With Shorin Ryu when the kicks are high,
We attack the legs. No legs....no balance. We hardly kick above the waist.
But I never made it to black belt before leaving. Started late. But a 3rd brown belt was a lot to handle. I remember our main instructor was a Red Belt. 10 Dan
Cant get higher than that. He was a real
deal. Quick as lightning for a real old man. Respect.
great Video competed a few times against some members of AMKOR years ago not sure if same exact club or not but brought back some good memories
In the US, Tae Kwon-Do, Tang Soo Do, and a few other similar martial arts used to be referred to as Korean Karate.
Hey the instructor doing nihanchi is actually in my organisation. There is a lot of differences even within organisations in tangsoodo. Tangsoodo is just the Korean expression of shotokan.
There is a grandmaster in Phoenix, AZ he brought Tang Soo Do to America in 1970. That dude is so legit the simple way he rolls his hips when doing forms is so awesome n generates so much more power. Incredible human being indeed.
Riddle me this...How did this "grandmaster" bring Tang Soo Do to America in 1970 when there were already people teaching it here in the early 1960s? Chuck Norris was teaching it at March Air Force Base in 1961 or so. And he was nowhere near the first American to receive his black belt in Tang Soo Do. Your or this "grandmaster's" dates don't match up.
Thank you for using one of my videos. I like the first guy too 😂
Would love to see you do a video on Ed Parkers American Kenpo Karate. there's probably a lot of things in that style of Martial arts that differ from your boarder line karate.
the lead in still photograph is Grandmaster Jhoon Rhee (doing the sidekick) the virtual father of Teakwondo in America. it is from the classic ITF big book Teakwondo, circa 1972
Have I practiced Tang Soo Do in a seminar in Naples with Grand Master Dominick Angelo Giacobbe in 2014. Very amazing experience!
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In Pyung Ahn Oh Dan, the palm is not raised up because it is a groin strike- like a spear. Yes, red stripe is Master rank. Thank you for your very polite comments and interest in other styles of martial arts.
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My understanding is that Hwang Kee was a Korean Kung Fu fighter that used Shotokan Karate, taken from Japanese soldiers during the ww2 occupation, as a curriculum for his students.
You can church it up alot, but basically it's shotokan with more circular movements.
The stance width varies depending on the dojo/dojang.
You notice tang soo do as being wider stances than shotokan, but my old sensei once told me that he preferred tang soo over shotokan because tang soo do has narrower stances, so I guess it varies with the school.
If you truly want to see something different from Shotokan in the Tang Soo repertoire, look up the Chil Sung forms.
They were Hwang Kee's attempt to incorporate his knowledge of tajiquan and/or shaolin seven star kung fu into his karate program.
Tang Soo Do is the basis for the martial art practiced by Cobra Kai. It is also the initial martial art practiced by The Stillwells in the film, No Retreat No Surrender.
My master trained the American GIs for many years. He always had plenty of stories to tell. 😊
No style was ever specified in NRNS. The opening dojo scene was filmed at Bernie Krasnoo's Sherman Oaks (Tang Soo Do) school (Bernie's two kids played students), but the actor who played the dad was a Gosoku-ryu stylist. All they ever said was that they were karate. They never said Tang Soo Do.
Just for anyone to know tang soo do was made from soo bak do, northern and southern Chinese martial arts and Japanese martial arts so there is a bit of wing chun looking movments but more shaolin martial arts and the majority is Japanese martial arts (judo, juijutsu and shotokan karate) and the rest is soo bak do which is an ancient Korean Martial art ,which the sillia kingdom trained their soldiers with, which had a lot of kicks which is why tkd and tsd both have good kicks. Tsd has a big focus on hip rotation to generate power- much like many styles of karate. Tang soo do can be effective if taught right or can be terrible if taught wrong- much like every martial art
There is zero evidence to prove this. Tang Soo Do / Kong Soo Do is a Korean version of old Shotokan and Shudokan. The one school with a Chinese influence, the Kwon Bop Bu, is extinct.
Nice analysis.
My instructor told me that our mudukkwon style of Tae Kwon Do had its origin in Shotokan. That’s why our Palgue forms are Shotokan forms. Added to that are our Korean style kicks...
from what i remember 1:18 is like a ridge hand strike to the pelvic girdle or bladder or something, the red stripe in the middle marks 4 degree and above.
I have been training in Tang Soo Do for years and years I agree with your assessment the last guys need a little more practice. But they were pretty good just a Lille more work.
Taekwondo and Tang Soo Do have a complex relation (the nine schools, the unification, the split, etc), that would be a very interesting video for another time.
Most of the movements and possess are quite similar between them.
In taekwondo there are several types of competitions. In the competitions based in forms (poomsae) can compete single performers or teams, and they can perform existing forms, or their own creations. For the free style is pretty usual to see that "team splitting" during the performance, but most of the time I see a constant formation during the whole form execution in regulated existing poomsaes. In any case, it is not uncommon to see that.
I agree with your order, I think the first practitioner was the best, then the second group, and then the three competitors.
Nice video! 😊👍
Thats why tradition has suffered. To many Tournaments with a trophy prize.
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the relationship between Tangsudo and Taekwondo is not that complex. Taekwondo appropriated and tried to erase and assimilate Tangsudo from Korea and the world. This was seen at the time as a betrayal by Tangsudo in relation to Taekwondo. Of course that time has passed, and today the Taekwondo class sees Tkd as a simplified Tangsudo, both arts have almost the same practitioners and teachers.
this is such a blast from the past for me. I have been doing Tang Soo Do for 10 years now (I am now 6 months from becoming a 3rd degree black belt). A few years ago my teacher decided to become a bit more practical and he and a couple other teachers split from the ITSDF (International Tang Soo Do Federation) and so there are a couple of moves that I am used to doing differently (for example we now do two fist block in fighting stance with a half punch instead of a second block because honestly the second block is kind of useless)
Love this channel :-)
I've learn Taekwondo when I was in middle school. And I'm doing Karate like for 10 Years now. What I realize is, Tang Soo Do are Karate but with Taekwondo basic move (Kibon Dongjak).
I train Shoryn Ryu and in the 20 years I´ve practised, I love that there are variations of the Kata for different schools or styles, but keep the same structure... for the most part.
In my style we really focus on the stands. The stands are the key for stability and allow for a more powerful attack or defence alongside with the hips that provide the most power. We first enforce the posture and finish with the arm movement.
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1:26 the girl in the back with the curly hair, I've seen her before at a tournament a few years ago. She is so fine...
The first hand technique you mentioned was a spear hand, a subtle variation of the strike you demonstrated. The purpose is to strike the soft tissue of the eye and throat. Great channel. Keep up the good work.
This is fun to watch.
In my Taekeondo school, I think we also do some Tang Soo Do forms when you reach a black belt
Yep, it is quite common, because most Korean Taekwondo masters were also previously Tang Soo Do practitioners.
Because taekwondo is Tang Soo do.
Some kwans refused to change the name to taekwondo
@@macrobin675 I wouldn't go that far. There seem to me to be distinct differences.
@@theradgegadgie6352 literally all of the 9 Kwans eventually changed the name of their art from Tang Soo Do to Taekwondo, under the suggestion of general Choi Hong Hi, who invented the name Taekwondo. The reason you see differences is because the Masters who insisted on keeping the name Tang Soo Do, also didn't accept the new format or standards set by ITF, KTA and WT, so they continued to teach it the way they always have been. Taekwondo and Tang Soo Do still share some of the same forms.
@@macrobin675 All I can tell you is that I have trained in both Tae Kwon Do and Shotokan Karate and although I haven't trained in Tang Soo Do, I have watched many training and display videos of it on TH-cam. Shotokan is less linear and formulaic than Tae Kwon Do. The latter feels at times almost like performing drill on a parade square; the former is more adaptive, real-world applicable and relies less on straight lines and meeting force purely with force. Of the two, Shotokan more closely resembles what I have seen of Tang Doo Do. Shotokan may not be as "circular" and diverting of one's opponent's own force as Goju Ryu is, say, but it is more so than Tae Kwon Do.
The red in the belt shows he is a Master which is reached at 4th degree black belt
-5th Dan Taekwondo (Kukkiwon / American)
-Ikkyu Wadokai (Shiramizu)
-Extensive experience with a well-known Tang Soo Do offshoot
What you have seen is American expressions of Korean expressions of very early Karatedo (Shotokan). The differences between your Shotokan and this are not just "translation" or degrading of a message like in a game of "telephone" but are attributable in some part to other factors. First, the Koreanization of early karate-do due to nationalistic revival after World War 2 when the Japanese were defeated and forced to surrender and leave Korea. At that time many Koreans who were at or had graduated from Japanese universities went back to Korea. Second, this branching off of Shotokan black belts (less than fifth dan I think) when Shotokan had a different set of standards for kata -- possibly even before is was called "Shotokan," but I am unsure. They were influenced by Ginchin Funakoshi, the founder's eldest son. He had set standards for stances that were much wider than currently and had "researched" kicks that (as an unevidinced rumor has it) were borrowed from French savate (mawashi geri, ura mawashi geri, and yokogeri). The resulting "style" was what Tangsoodo ("Chinese boxing method") was when it began. (As did all Taekwondo as well, but that's a slightly different story.)
I hope this explains why what you see is different. If anyone has any corrections for me, feel free.
Gichin Funakoshi
Founded the Shotokan style. But he came to mainland Japan from Okinawa. And I see Okinawan styles of Karate do have roundhouse and other kicks. Just traditional Okinawa styles did lower kicks as they were more applicable in a real fight, kicks to the groin, lower abdomen, outside of the knee etc But shotokan did higher kicks, not sure if Funakoshi taught those or his son or other students introduced them. I'm certain they were doing higher kicks at least in the 1950's. And various kicks, like roundhouse, reverse roundhouse, side thrusting and snapping kicks, back kick etc. I think the spinning kicks have come from Korean styles
I do Korean tang soo do have been doing it for 8 years and I will become a second Dan black belt this year
I was a traditional okinawan tang soo do student when I was younger. Now I study american tang soo do (chuck norris system)
The Hyung (Forms) are similar as Tang Soo do is part based on Shotokan. The red stripe in the belt means that the practicioner is a master instructor - 4th Dan or higher. Really like your videos.
"SENSEI ICHI" is a good TANG SOO DO channel source.
I did taekwondo for a couple years and can confirm they focus hard on wide stances to the point where they try to train everyone to do the splits during the cooldown stretch. the "punching stance" is practically a full squat but spring-loaded punches hurt
I remember the fun my old Karate teacher had with having us holding the horse stance. 😬😣😖😫
Great video, I’m a 5th Dan in Tae Kwon Do and Hop Ki Do.
The vertical hand position of the fingertip thrust is probably for striking the solar plexus and fitting between the rib cage at the bottom of the sternum.
The first video is my dad! His name is Master Joey Hurt. We train at Hurt’s Gym in Pasadena Tx. Sir I’d be an honor if you come and visit us at his gym.
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If I am not mistaken, was the famous actor and martial artist Chuck Norris also a practitioner in Tang Soo Do? I think besides Tang Soo Do, he also practiced in Judo and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu too.
The black belt with the red stripe is a master belt. Single red stripe is either 4th/5th Dan Master which is above the 1st, 2nd, 3rd Dan black belts. After that there is 6th/7th Dan masters with double red stripe around the belt. After that is 8th Dan Grandmaster and 9th Dan Grandmaster. There can only be one 9th Dan grandmaster
The red stripe on the belt is 4th Dan and above I believe