It seems like there is a lot of gear in the "im not counting it because its on my person" catagory that is typically counted in most peoples pack weight.
Read the lighterpack link, lighterpack.com/r/5iknzv . The only things I'm not counting as "carried" are the things I'm wearing. Do you have something specific you see? I'm not one of the UL idiots that counts their cellphone as "worn" because it's in their pocket.
Refreshing sensible logic behind your choices. Thanks for the insight. Good point about the hexamid not requiring all of the stakes. I experimented with finding sticks and lying rocks on them, and it was fine in decent weather.
Air bubbles in a compass are a normal feature which allow the liquid inside to expand due to changes in pressure or temperature. Don’t fear bubbles in a compass.
Great list Matt! Im planning on doing the JMT in 2020, but always love hiking weekend trips and I don't have much gear so its fun to see what could help me in the future. For one, I don't have a UL pack, but I do use the ultimate direction 20L fastpack and it works great but its about 2lbs. Thanks again for all the knowledge, winter times in cali are not much for hiking but lots to dream about for spring time.
Far too many UL kits are not thought through this thoroughly. Really love to hear your solid reasoning behind it. The decision-making will help those who don’t necessarily want to achieve the same base weight but still make good choices for their kit.
Love the content. Maybe show a mock up night out at camp like in your backyrd or wherever, example.. get to camp, bag unpack, tent set up, cooking dinner, showing layering and sleeping layering with the quilt etc. I think people would love a more in depth look. I know I would. Also would love to see the same type thing on one of your trips. Nothing fancy just with whatever u filmed with or your phone camera. Just some stuff id like and I know others would too.
Nice vid! Just a bit about the compass, I have the same problem. Its related to elevation and temp. If you get a bubble, gently heat it with a hair drier, or the like. It will disappear.
Great video. I really enjoyed the explanations. Seems you carry a lot of layers for hiking in. Do you commonly layer up or is this a just in case or to get you moving in the morning?
I love my EE wind pants and shirt!!!! I carry them on every single one of my trips and day hikes. Super useful and they weigh very little. If I know that there will be no chance on rain sometimes I won’t carry a rain jacket (I live in SoCal....what is rain even???). Also I love my Gossamer gear kumo but only use it on day hikes and weekend trips. If I have to carry a lot of food and water it doesn’t work for me. I completely agree with 22 pounds is the absolute max for that pack.... Instead I’ll bring my granite gear crown 2 Which is what I’m going to be carrying on the PCT this year!!! I wish I had put more thought into it and had bought the smaller version of it though. I think it’s like a 38 liter one but instead I got the 60 liter one and I’ve taken the lid off and the straps for it. It’s too large for what I’m carrying but it means that I don’t have to carful when it comes to packing and I can leave my bag very fluffy on the bottom which is nice. Also I can carry a ton of food.......
Very good video. Warren your list of gear, in this presentation, you did not put inside your backpack? For example, the shoes, the thermals you’re wearing while hiking, etc. I want to know, exactly, what in your list I’ll put together weights 7 pounds. Thank you so much for sharing this video. God bless you.
The bugs ruin the outdoors! So Patagonia stopped making the light weight capilene base layer bottoms- cause I don’t see any 3.5 ounce base layer bottoms
4 to 5 pound base weights leave no margin for error. I was run over by a car in 2011, so I have to be ultralight when I hike due to my back, but I still make sure I have everything I need. I think 9 pounds base in my lowest base weight that works for me. Just having less stuff means you can carry a smaller pack and that alone saves so much weight. I could shave off another pound if I just went just with a tarp and my bug net, but I love my hammock setup! I made my own bug set / full body net and it only weighs 3 oz. Just use some strong clips to hold it in place. I skip the stakes, I just bring a small pencil sharpener and sharpen wooden stakes or just small sandbags that I can plop rocks into them. I just bought the self-inflating Termarest Scout short sleeping pad. Quite, wide, and perfect for hammock or going to ground! I like your pillow. Never saw that before. Thanks for sharing.
Correction: my experience on the PCT this year, the Zpacks Arc Blast/Zip are definitely not comfortable with loads of 35-40 pounds. They can carry heavy loads but you’ll be miserable. Now, don’t get me wrong here, They make very good packs and they’re light as well, good quality no doubt about it BUT, you better be ultralight as well, make sure you’ll keep your base weight below 15 pounds.
Thanks for this informative video.Not to be bashing the Be Free but I was totally underwhelmed by mine.Only suggestion I would make to your list is a little more water storage capacity,maybe add another liter bottle or a bag.
Good looking loadout, try and avoid carrying the compass in with your electronics, it could mess with the polarity over time. I know it's just a wee backup but it's worth thinking about.
If you wanna go really ul in a forest you can pull a shit load of leaves under the tarp with you. I know most people don't consider that a regular option, but if you have a bug net, you can make a barrier. I often times will consider environment as much as possible in my quick little rest stops. Its easy in the desert, though.
I was listening to some John Muir books in the forest and he cut pine boughs for a bed. Not LNT at all, but that wasn't such a big deal in 19th century.,
@@joeallen2354 There's a real problem with people loving places and wearing out the national parks. If you've ever been in an area where LNT is unknown you wouldn't say that. TP flowers, trash all over, trees damaged, so on. If some of us are bit overboard it doesn't compensate for the hordes who are trashy
@@MattShafter Yes but thats an example of people not following LNT and just being nasty in general. Ive heard people complain about hikers using dead standing twigs for fire because it violates the LNT principle. That kind of thinking, which i have no idea regarding its prevalence, is more what im asking about.
Very good video. Do you have any gear that you were not including in your backpack that you may be caring in your pockets? What are those? How much they wait? Thank you about the information about the Bora jackets. I thought Bora was making bivy Saks only. I totally agree with you about the Confort versus extremely light gear. There is a thin line from which beyond, if you go, then backpacking becomes a very uncomfortable burden rather than a pleasurable experience. I know that backpacking is not the kind of things to find all the come forward that you may have at home but it doesn’t have to be the extreme opposite either. Good job. God bless you.l
Only thing in my pocket would be chap stick and the phone. Phone's are always carried weight. To any of you listening, do not play the game of counting your phone as worn weight. Borah has stopped again, try Nunatak and Goosefeet Gear for custom UL jackets. Good points!
For stakes...i dont even carry them and use sticks...get one with a branch and snap it so tgere is a 1 inch L shape protruding off...stake it in then turn and it is really locked in the ground...throw em away in morning and repeat next night..literally a min
P.S. i know it is a bit UL snobbish...but it can help eapecially peopke carrying a full set...or an alternative to someone who doesnt wanna fork over $$
Thanks, I kept trying to figure out why I can't get my base weight near yours with somewhat similar setup, and realized I count my trekking poles in my base weight tally.
The KS site is pretty difficult to understand. Do you know if any of the available fabrics are waterproof-ish? Trying to avoid packliners and/or pack covers. Was going to buy the Arc Blast but I think it's a little too big for me (9-10 lbs. base weight).
Any opinion on katabatic quilts? Would like your opinion seeing your affection so much for this one here. About to order a katabatic but I’ve never heard of yours...
So Katabatic is fantastic straight out of the box. But if you want something custom then Nunatak is the way to go. Nunatak also has vertical baffles which I think help with down shifting problems, especially as the bag ages. Many would disagree. See my Nunatak vids for my comments about vertical baffles.
Hey Matt! Been really appreciating your videos, especially as I have the same goal of a 7/8 lb full comfort UL set up. You’ve got me interested in the KS40. What do you expect the durability of the metal stay system to be? Will it start pulling away from the fabric in your opinion? Also, +1 for a camp set up video from you especially inc. your full thoughts on the hexamid/S2S net combo. Would love to see how that feels inside the tent etc. how have you liked the hexamid? That’s my top choice right now too. I’ll keep my double rainbow for 2 person overnights 👌🏻
The connection point of the metal is seriously heavy webbing. My KS40 shows no signs of breaking through or anything. The hex+ is new to me but I have been pitching it and it seems great.
Hi Matt, thanks for the video. I have wide feet too and it is a pain to find shoes, even if they are labeles as wide, that actually fit. Would you mind rattling off some shoes that come nice and wide, even if they are not trail runner or have thing to do with hiking. Thanks
Awesome package you have. I just wish the video title or description would show the size of the hiker. There are tons of video with just the "lbs" in the title and then to enhance the wow effect. What do I mean. Imagine you are an "M" guy and I'm an "XXL" guy. For sure I will not make your distance, but have similar fun on shorter trips. Shelters and insulation mats (like a Thermarest X-Lite) often will not be a real weight matter for different sized (or weight of) users, so we could consider them hiker neutral (ok, you can buy a "Therm" in regular and large, but you get the idea). However, my point is, an "XXL" hike shirt or down jacket, or even big gloves will probably weigh like almost twice as much as an "M" size. For really long or strong guys it will be impossible to reach similar base weights of just the clothing. So I think when we compare base-weights, it is good to know more about the shape and size of the person to have a better "relation" between the videos and their LBS titles. Just my 2 cents. PS: I got shoe size 13, don't ask how I feel about those walking irons on my feet.
Love this. One question though. I see on your Lighter Pack gear list that your Nemo Tensor is listed as being 12oz. I'm not seeing that on their website. It looks like their un-insulated wide pad starts at 16oz. Am I missing something? I am looking to try a new pad this year, but would prefer to keep it around 12-13oz.
Oh yeh. I bought a long/wide tensor and I cut it down to 48in or so. People do it all the time, it's easy. This years mattress will be the Thermarest Uberlight combined with the gossamer gear thinlight.
I see a watch on the video (9.08) but you don't mention anything more about it below or on the lighterpack site. Does your watch give you compass, temp, and altimer, so that you could probably ditch the Silva compass? I'm looking for the best bang for the buck hiker watch and I see that Will Wood is suggesting the PRW-3000-2CR. Any suggestions?
I just started with it, but it has every spec i've ever wanted in a headlamp. The main light is not CRI, which some headlight nerds claim offers better "clarity."
Your thoughts on the KS40 are interesting to me. In your similar video from last year you mention that it’s a good fit for BWs in the 9-13 range, but I used one for 500 this summer (without the stays) with an 8lb bw (solplex, 20F quilt, Neoair, pretty standard) and was feeling like I wish I had just a bit more volume. I was using it comfortably for 3 day carries but felt like I would max it out at 5 volume wise. I held it up side by side with a guy’s burn and they’re close. Also found the side pockets to be frustratingly small, but I like to be able to use 1.5L bottles sometimes. Would like to hear what you think!
Dan... I never get these notifications so just contact me on IG. I did 6 days carry in Maine and thought it was pretty full but quite doable. My baseweight then was 10lbs. That's what I was basing those comments on. Yeh, the pockets are small but the 1L is all I ever carry. Any questions just hit me on IG.
MattShafter gotcha. You must be more diligent about cal/oz and keeping food volume down haha. I suppose I could probably make 6 days work but I never tried.
@@DanStenziano Evidently I'm getting notifications now. That load out had a Trailstar tarp that rode outside too, so there's internal volume gone as well.
How did you end up liking the Katadyn BeFree? I love mine! It absolutely amazed me compared to the flow rate of the sawyer squeeze.... I found the water to be just as clean, but admittedly I always treated the water chemically every time too, just to be safe.
I really liked it. I LOST the damn bag in a river and can't get a replacement, which honestly is pretty stupid of Katadyn. It was appreciably slower after one month though. If I had a bag I would try to vinegar clean the filter! lol
I've actually been looking at getting myself the 50L version. You mentioned not getting it without the external sleep pad pockets, why is that? Wouldn't the stock bungee cord system server the same purpose? What about an internal sleeve for the pad? Thanks for the awesome content, Matt!
Oh yeh, the outside bungee would work too, I forgot he had that option. An internal sleeve pad wouldn't allow for as easy access during breaks. Thanks for the kind words!
The Vargo spikes. Have you used them, and are they a yes or no? (Planning a PCT thru and have microspikes for the Sierra, but will go lighter if I can.)
You claim that this is about as low as you can go weight-wise without significantly sacrificing comfort and that may be true, for now. Much of the lightness that has become available in recent years has come from creative companies as they found new techniques and materials to work with. When I started hiking, tents were made of canvas and weighed a ton. Now they are made of cuben fiber and weight less than my watch. What will the next few years bring? Will you be able to assemble a sub-five-pound with "full comfort?" I suspect you will.
KS Ultralight KS40 packs seem so difficult to navigate the options and get a good grasp of what's going on. Can you be specific about the options on your pack for me?
Yeh, his website frustrates some. Just be patient. I did this top strap, cord load lifters, 210 body with 500 cordura bottom, frame stays, 4 bottom loops, strong mech back pocket, external pad pockets. I think that's it.
Respect you can hike so light but I just can’t get in to the UL 10lbs range and be comfortable 😕 I’m currently sitting at 14-15lbs base weight for British summer hiking. Cuben gear would knock 2-3lbs off quicker than emptying my bank account tho. I just don’t know how to shed those few extra pounds, be comfortable and not be skint? I think there are times to concede that it’s just not possible?
Bushcraft1974 Are you Canadian? Look to Northen Ultralight for packs. BC for me would be a 9lbs baseweight. I wouldn't do 7lbs everywhere, it's always different.
MattShafter I’m from England....currently having the longest hottest Sunniest Summer on record I think! It’s not always like that so have to pack accordingly.
Well, 14lbs is pretty good. I've always thought that 12lbs is where is starts to get really good. In UK conditions I would carry about 8.5pounds of stuff, all geared at mitigating rain and partially exposed conditions.
How do you carry the fuel for the alcohol stove? Im trying to find a good light way. I've used some urine sample glasses(3cl/1ounce per glass) but the lid has cracked on me once.
Impressive. With the hip belt you won't even know you have this thing on. Only thing I don't agree with is the sleeping with your food. That's just trouble but hey different strokes for different folks. Mice will ruin your kit in a hurry and that's my sermon. Thanks for sharing!
Would be nice to live somewere that i could get away with so little gear! To wet and cold here in the uk most of the year for that level of gear maybe 3 weeks a year.
the gear shed Yeh, London sits latitudinally where Winnipeg Canada is, so most of the UK is quite a bit more north than where this stuff is meant for. This kit could handle the temperature but the rain strategy would change.
Mine starts to get cold around 35F and by the time it's 30F i'll need my extra CCF pad underneath or on top. The tensor uninsulated has a mylar film running through it, just like the thermarest xlite so they should have similar performance. Hold your pad up (look at both sides) against sunlight and see if you have and conspicuously missing mylar spots.
@@MattShafter Hikers have died not being able to attract the attention of rescue. In my classes nobody goes into the woods without a whistle. It's more like the first aid kid. You hope you never need it but you bring it anyway. Where I hike you need a knife, but I guess we hike on different trails. The approach of many lightweight hikers is take all you possibly need but make it expensive and lightweight stuff and mine is to bring less but sturdy stuff and improvise more. I don't need to bring tent pegs, a stove, fuel, pot hangers, etc.
@@StevanOutdoor Ultralight does not have to be expensive and it's not fragile stuff. Here's one of dozens of lists outlining a cheap UL kit macon.me/shoestring/ . In my kit the cuben tent could be comprised by a freak hailstorm, but out west those don't happen when I'm making camp. And if it does, I can walk out of the situation. If I'm way up in Canada there's no way I'm bringing a cuben tent. My backpack will last 8,000 miles, didn't cost more than an REI pack, and the man making it makes good money. You're not wrong about the whistle though, my Palante V2 has a built in one on the chest strap.
Full comfort is dependent on the location, activity and climate. Chasing weight counter is productive in my opinion, and a bit of a distraction. I mean is the activity hiking and being in the outdoors, or serching for and over paying for the lightest thing possible? Light is not always right.
World Survivalist Full comfort is dependent on location and climate, that's why I said this list is 3 season and Western US conditions. Chasing weight is the full comfort, Newtons laws tells us energy is conserved, so my 25lbs pack will always be more comfortable than a 40lb pack. It's safer as well. I don't twist ankles while struggling across rivers, I don't get taxed by heat because the load is easier. UL doesn't have to be expensive either, the only expensive item is my shelter. This 7lbs list may be a "hair" light, but even if you beefed it up it will be under 8lbs. Light is always right, if it's safe and effective.
MattShafter I'm not knocking the video buddy, looks like you have a great set up. But i think it's important to point out that you shouldn't spend your whole planning process for a trip around how light you can get your gear. Hell with a knife and a thermal bivvy and a plastic cup I could probably do a hike with nothing else. I get you mentioned 3 session and the location so probably a bit unfair of me to use your video to make my point, but I see a whole culture of people chasing ultra light and nothing else and it's a dangerous world. A friend of mine believed light was always right and had to bail out of a hike in Scotland because his gear couldn't take the changeable weather and wasn't durable enough for the terrine.
World Survivalist People should always go out prepared. Your Scottish friend for instance. I personally would go out with rain pants, Columbia Outdry jacket, two liner bags, more socks, heavier fleece, full bathtub, rain gloves. I would say my baseweight would be just under 9lbs, still very lightweight. I just encourage tradional backpackers that when they see UL geeks talking, it's not about "hey, let's see how I can almost kill myself!" It's about the lightest non stupid load out possible. My gear in the video can have me walking and sleeping in 20F weather. If it's June 1st and I'm stuck in a 10F storm at the base of Mt Whitney, something seriously screwed is happening. I always plan accordingly to the record low temperatures.
Sacrificing comfort and quality for weight it is always a big decision I can not seem to come to terms yet. No matter what i do or carry I am always close to 32 pounds, even with lightweight options. PCT will not see me there any time soon! lol.
I would love to see what you stake or trekking pole hole-diggers are actually creating as compared to what a proper trowel creates. Even with a proper trowel, an awful lot of ground types are pretty uncooperative when it comes to easily digging a deep enough hole for anything bigger than rabbit pellets; I would put good money on the bet that the overwhelming majority of non-trowel diggers do an absolute horrible and inconsiderate job of LNT pooping. And, while we’re on the subject, I think that those super-popular ‘The Deuce’ trowels are barely a step up from stakes and poles, efficiency-wise. I bought one and loved the size and weight, but the lack of a real handle (and one that doesn’t pierce into one’s skin) made it almost impossible to dig a proper hole in many areas that I needed to... ...so back to the cheap plastic orange, 1.8 oz. trowel I went.
Many of the 10C's of survivability missing - secondary shelter (what if your tarp rips / flies away?), secondary light (what if your head torch breaks / fails?), cutting tool, fire, cordage, tape, signal mirror, whistle, cotton bandanna, metal container (to boil & carry water) (what if your bottle breaks or your filter fails?). As for your remote first-aid kit: how would you deal with haemorrhaging, large open wounds / cuts, burns, dehydration, infection, pain, strains, splinters / foreign bodies, ticks (note Mors Kochanski's wilderness kit!). And what about your toilet kit? (ANY ONE who goes into the wilderness & leaves their "waste" around ie doesn't bury it / carry it out) is the worst scumbag & should be flogged!!. 2 rather than 1 walking poles has multiple benefits beyond the obvious. Great to be "UL" but not when leaving out essential kit, which then puts rescuers lives at risk rescuing the ill-equipped & unprepared. JMHO.
RhodieFreedomCamp The 10 c's and the excellent Mors Kohanski type knowledge is for surviving, not hiking. There are thousands of people a year who hike with load outs like mine on the trails of the US and nothing happens. I've hiked north of 800 miles with this stuff and have never "cut it close," as I'm not interested in dying. If was going into REAL remoteness like the Yukon, my kit would look very different. You can't equate hiking in a state park with surviving an Alaska plane crash. As for my TP kit I simply forgot it in the video, rest assured I use LNT principles.
There was a lady a few years back that got lost off a thru trail going P and ended up dying out there. Had she a whistle or a signal mirror, or flagging tape she probably still be alive. It's easy to turn around. I think the ideas on the off chance that you need it even though you may go your whole life hiking and never need it. It only takes once. I always carry a 1 ounce rescue kit.
MattShafter Respectfully, her age / your miles travelled / the number of people (sheep) doing the same thing. has nothing to do with having a basic 10C's survival kit. Ask the outdoors / wilderness survival EXPERTS. Your PMA goes in your favour; but it just takes ONE time & something unpredictable for things to go bum up VERY quickly, then not only are you in danger, but your rescuers (think of them if not you). Better to have & not need, than need & not have. Peace.
This is one of the most well-thought out setups I've ever seen. Looks like you have exactly what works for you.
Go see my 2020 video!
@@MattShafter Absolutely will do. For some reason TH-cam recommended your 2018 version.
It seems like there is a lot of gear in the "im not counting it because its on my person" catagory that is typically counted in most peoples pack weight.
Read the lighterpack link, lighterpack.com/r/5iknzv . The only things I'm not counting as "carried" are the things I'm wearing. Do you have something specific you see? I'm not one of the UL idiots that counts their cellphone as "worn" because it's in their pocket.
Refreshing sensible logic behind your choices. Thanks for the insight.
Good point about the hexamid not requiring all of the stakes. I experimented with finding sticks and lying rocks on them, and it was fine in decent weather.
Yeh, no need to over stake!
Air bubbles in a compass are a normal feature which allow the liquid inside to expand due to changes in pressure or temperature. Don’t fear bubbles in a compass.
@@FraserChapman Bubbles also allow the user to know when the compass is held level, which really affects accuracy.
Great list Matt! Im planning on doing the JMT in 2020, but always love hiking weekend trips and I don't have much gear so its fun to see what could help me in the future. For one, I don't have a UL pack, but I do use the ultimate direction 20L fastpack and it works great but its about 2lbs. Thanks again for all the knowledge, winter times in cali are not much for hiking but lots to dream about for spring time.
Thanks man! Stay tuned for my 2019 pack. I've had people look vet it and it's pretty crazy how much great and functional stuff I'll have in the bag.
Matt your videos are really informational. I always leave them with some sort of new insight. Just adding my thank you to the pool of comments above
Far too many UL kits are not thought through this thoroughly. Really love to hear your solid reasoning behind it. The decision-making will help those who don’t necessarily want to achieve the same base weight but still make good choices for their kit.
Thank you. I do make long videos but I have to share WHY I pick this stuff.
Love the content. Maybe show a mock up night out at camp like in your backyrd or wherever, example.. get to camp, bag unpack, tent set up, cooking dinner, showing layering and sleeping layering with the quilt etc. I think people would love a more in depth look. I know I would. Also would love to see the same type thing on one of your trips. Nothing fancy just with whatever u filmed with or your phone camera. Just some stuff id like and I know others would too.
When i'm out hiking I'll do this exact kind of video. You're not the first to ask for it. Thanks!
Nice vid! Just a bit about the compass, I have the same problem. Its related to elevation and temp. If you get a bubble, gently heat it with a hair drier, or the like. It will disappear.
Ooooo I'll try this on my other compass. You get a gold star!
MattShafter you can also just leave it in your front dash in the sun
I wanna gold star
Jason Barta, give Sandra your gold star.
I want to see your pack fully packed up with this gear. I feel like it is half empty. That is a good thing. More room for food!
I want to see better yoyo tricks from you.
Great video. I really enjoyed the explanations. Seems you carry a lot of layers for hiking in. Do you commonly layer up or is this a just in case or to get you moving in the morning?
I would wear my sleep top while hiking in the morning until it warms up to about 45F.
I love my EE wind pants and shirt!!!! I carry them on every single one of my trips and day hikes. Super useful and they weigh very little. If I know that there will be no chance on rain sometimes I won’t carry a rain jacket (I live in SoCal....what is rain even???). Also I love my Gossamer gear kumo but only use it on day hikes and weekend trips. If I have to carry a lot of food and water it doesn’t work for me. I completely agree with 22 pounds is the absolute max for that pack.... Instead I’ll bring my granite gear crown 2
Which is what I’m going to be carrying on the PCT this year!!! I wish I had put more thought into it and had bought the smaller version of it though. I think it’s like a 38 liter one but instead I got the 60 liter one and I’ve taken the lid off and the straps for it. It’s too large for what I’m carrying but it means that I don’t have to carful when it comes to packing and I can leave my bag very fluffy on the bottom which is nice. Also I can carry a ton of food.......
I'm about to order some EE wind pants. They slap!!
Very good video. Warren your list of gear, in this presentation, you did not put inside your backpack? For example, the shoes, the thermals you’re wearing while hiking, etc. I want to know, exactly, what in your list I’ll put together weights 7 pounds. Thank you so much for sharing this video. God bless you.
The bugs ruin the outdoors! So Patagonia stopped making the light weight capilene base layer bottoms- cause I don’t see any 3.5 ounce base layer bottoms
You can always rely on companies to stop making good gear. lol
Most cans companies went to a BPA free liner in them. You might want to make sure that your can doesn't have any in it
Will do!
4 to 5 pound base weights leave no margin for error. I was run over by a car in 2011, so I have to be ultralight when I hike due to my back, but I still make sure I have everything I need. I think 9 pounds base in my lowest base weight that works for me. Just having less stuff means you can carry a smaller pack and that alone saves so much weight. I could shave off another pound if I just went just with a tarp and my bug net, but I love my hammock setup! I made my own bug set / full body net and it only weighs 3 oz. Just use some strong clips to hold it in place. I skip the stakes, I just bring a small pencil sharpener and sharpen wooden stakes or just small sandbags that I can plop rocks into them. I just bought the self-inflating Termarest Scout short sleeping pad. Quite, wide, and perfect for hammock or going to ground! I like your pillow. Never saw that before. Thanks for sharing.
Yes, grab that pillow, its awesome.
Didn't see a knife? Also, the heavier black nitrile rubber gloves work great for rain gloves and keep your dexterity.
Heidi Boraski Yeh I missed talking about it. It's a Victorinox Classic SD and it's in my ditty stuff.
Agree. On everything. Loved your channel since it's old name. You don't bite on gimmicks. You've got a workable knowledge. One of my Favs man.
Thanks for the kind words!
I have never tried UL but this is a fascinating conversation, you have pretty knowledgeable followers here. and no trolls. subscribed !
Thanks! I've never considered that most of the conversation is pretty civil. There's the occasional argument!
Hi Matt, what is the Matt Shafter version of the down balaclava?
From Goosefeet gear.... just email him and tell him you want my version!
Correction: my experience on the PCT this year, the Zpacks Arc Blast/Zip are definitely not comfortable with loads of 35-40 pounds. They can carry heavy loads but you’ll be miserable.
Now, don’t get me wrong here, They make very good packs and they’re light as well, good quality no doubt about it BUT, you better be ultralight as well, make sure you’ll keep your base weight below 15 pounds.
Yes. I'm just going off of quoted ranges, but you're right, nothing is ACTUALLY comfortable at 40lbs.
Thanks for this informative video.Not to be bashing the Be Free but I was totally underwhelmed by mine.Only suggestion I would make to your list is a little more water storage capacity,maybe add another liter bottle or a bag.
jerryj bloodworth yeh, if it screws me I'll just drink from alpine sources or buddy up until I can buy one.
Good looking loadout, try and avoid carrying the compass in with your electronics, it could mess with the polarity over time. I know it's just a wee backup but it's worth thinking about.
Shewie01 I just checked and it's still accurate to my local declination but I should be careful.
If you wanna go really ul in a forest you can pull a shit load of leaves under the tarp with you. I know most people don't consider that a regular option, but if you have a bug net, you can make a barrier. I often times will consider environment as much as possible in my quick little rest stops. Its easy in the desert, though.
I was listening to some John Muir books in the forest and he cut pine boughs for a bed. Not LNT at all, but that wasn't such a big deal in 19th century.,
@@MattShafter do you think people have gone a little crazy with the LNT thing?
@@joeallen2354
There's a real problem with people loving places and wearing out the national parks. If you've ever been in an area where LNT is unknown you wouldn't say that. TP flowers, trash all over, trees damaged, so on. If some of us are bit overboard it doesn't compensate for the hordes who are trashy
@@joeallen2354 There was human shit in camp grounds on the PCT. LNT hasn't gone far enough lol.
@@MattShafter Yes but thats an example of people not following LNT and just being nasty in general. Ive heard people complain about hikers using dead standing twigs for fire because it violates the LNT principle. That kind of thinking, which i have no idea regarding its prevalence, is more what im asking about.
Very good video. Do you have any gear that you were not including in your backpack that you may be caring in your pockets? What are those? How much they wait? Thank you about the information about the Bora jackets. I thought Bora was making bivy Saks only. I totally agree with you about the Confort versus extremely light gear. There is a thin line from which beyond, if you go, then backpacking becomes a very uncomfortable burden rather than a pleasurable experience. I know that backpacking is not the kind of things to find all the come forward that you may have at home but it doesn’t have to be the extreme opposite either. Good job. God bless you.l
Only thing in my pocket would be chap stick and the phone. Phone's are always carried weight. To any of you listening, do not play the game of counting your phone as worn weight. Borah has stopped again, try Nunatak and Goosefeet Gear for custom UL jackets. Good points!
For stakes...i dont even carry them and use sticks...get one with a branch and snap it so tgere is a 1 inch L shape protruding off...stake it in then turn and it is really locked in the ground...throw em away in morning and repeat next night..literally a min
P.S. i know it is a bit UL snobbish...but it can help eapecially peopke carrying a full set...or an alternative to someone who doesnt wanna fork over $$
Nice choice of pillow, just picked up one myself! One of the few "plastic-like" pillows out there that is still comfortable.
I put two holes in mine on my trip. It was my fault. It patched up nicely though.
Hey Matt, are you not using hiking poles? How are you going to set up your tarp in the desert? Looking forward to more videos from you!
They're there, right next to my shirt. Left side. Locus CP3's
Thanks, I kept trying to figure out why I can't get my base weight near yours with somewhat similar setup, and realized I count my trekking poles in my base weight tally.
You have been using the Nemo Tensor for quite some time now. Just curious if you are still a fan? Their durability has been questioned quite a bit.
20D is not a durable material. I got mold in my nemo cause I'm stupid and it hastened fabric failure.
The KS site is pretty difficult to understand. Do you know if any of the available fabrics are waterproof-ish? Trying to avoid packliners and/or pack covers. Was going to buy the Arc Blast but I think it's a little too big for me (9-10 lbs. base weight).
All the X Pac and X21RC is waterproof. The Spectra is not. I still love my KS40. All I would do is add a stretchy bottom pocket.
@@MattShafter Thanks! I think I have found my new pack. Love your vids btw. I'm totally on board with full comfort UL.
Any opinion on katabatic quilts? Would like your opinion seeing your affection so much for this one here. About to order a katabatic but I’ve never heard of yours...
So Katabatic is fantastic straight out of the box. But if you want something custom then Nunatak is the way to go. Nunatak also has vertical baffles which I think help with down shifting problems, especially as the bag ages. Many would disagree. See my Nunatak vids for my comments about vertical baffles.
MattShafter thanks!
Hey Matt! Been really appreciating your videos, especially as I have the same goal of a 7/8 lb full comfort UL set up. You’ve got me interested in the KS40. What do you expect the durability of the metal stay system to be? Will it start pulling away from the fabric in your opinion? Also, +1 for a camp set up video from you especially inc. your full thoughts on the hexamid/S2S net combo. Would love to see how that feels inside the tent etc. how have you liked the hexamid? That’s my top choice right now too. I’ll keep my double rainbow for 2 person overnights 👌🏻
The connection point of the metal is seriously heavy webbing. My KS40 shows no signs of breaking through or anything. The hex+ is new to me but I have been pitching it and it seems great.
MattShafter thx Matt. Enjoy the season!
Hi Matt, thanks for the video. I have wide feet too and it is a pain to find shoes, even if they are labeles as wide, that actually fit. Would you mind rattling off some shoes that come nice and wide, even if they are not trail runner or have thing to do with hiking. Thanks
Try Altra Timp 1.5s this year. They're pretty roomy. Also try the 4E version on New Balance 1080's
@@MattShafter thanks
Damn, always new ideas for equipment. So what is the issue with Luke's Ultralight? Looks like he offers some cool gear but not taking orders...
He had some injuries and is getting himself back together, but the gear community is waiting to see how it's handled.
Awesome package you have. I just wish the video title or description would show the size of the hiker. There are tons of video with just the "lbs" in the title and then to enhance the wow effect.
What do I mean. Imagine you are an "M" guy and I'm an "XXL" guy. For sure I will not make your distance, but have similar fun on shorter trips. Shelters and insulation mats (like a Thermarest X-Lite) often will not be a real weight matter for different sized (or weight of) users, so we could consider them hiker neutral (ok, you can buy a "Therm" in regular and large, but you get the idea).
However, my point is, an "XXL" hike shirt or down jacket, or even big gloves will probably weigh like almost twice as much as an "M" size. For really long or strong guys it will be impossible to reach similar base weights of just the clothing. So I think when we compare base-weights, it is good to know more about the shape and size of the person to have a better "relation" between the videos and their LBS titles. Just my 2 cents. PS: I got shoe size 13, don't ask how I feel about those walking irons on my feet.
soundscollector cool... I'm 6'1" 220lbs. Size 12.5 4E shoes
Thanks, that clears the picture for me, now the other guys need to follow in their vids and we have a clearer picture :-) Happy hiking.
Love this. One question though. I see on your Lighter Pack gear list that your Nemo Tensor is listed as being 12oz. I'm not seeing that on their website. It looks like their un-insulated wide pad starts at 16oz. Am I missing something? I am looking to try a new pad this year, but would prefer to keep it around 12-13oz.
Oh yeh. I bought a long/wide tensor and I cut it down to 48in or so. People do it all the time, it's easy. This years mattress will be the Thermarest Uberlight combined with the gossamer gear thinlight.
A buff on the pillow!!!! Of course, now why didn't I think of that? haha Cheers mate!
That's why I am here! A Buff has 11 other uses too.
give it a couple years... someone will be on here... 3.285 lbs... Full Comfort !!! WHATEVER... ill give in... Congratulations... You da Man!!!"
I see a watch on the video (9.08) but you don't mention anything more about it below or on the lighterpack site. Does your watch give you compass, temp, and altimer, so that you could probably ditch the Silva compass? I'm looking for the best bang for the buck hiker watch and I see that Will Wood is suggesting the PRW-3000-2CR. Any suggestions?
Oh yeh, that's just a cheap timex. I have no watch recommendations really. I'll have to look at the Casio.
How you liking that headlamp? Thinking about picking one up for September CT thru as already carry anker 10k and tend to night hike often...nice kit.
I just started with it, but it has every spec i've ever wanted in a headlamp. The main light is not CRI, which some headlight nerds claim offers better "clarity."
Your thoughts on the KS40 are interesting to me. In your similar video from last year you mention that it’s a good fit for BWs in the 9-13 range, but I used one for 500 this summer (without the stays) with an 8lb bw (solplex, 20F quilt, Neoair, pretty standard) and was feeling like I wish I had just a bit more volume. I was using it comfortably for 3 day carries but felt like I would max it out at 5 volume wise. I held it up side by side with a guy’s burn and they’re close. Also found the side pockets to be frustratingly small, but I like to be able to use 1.5L bottles sometimes. Would like to hear what you think!
Dan... I never get these notifications so just contact me on IG. I did 6 days carry in Maine and thought it was pretty full but quite doable. My baseweight then was 10lbs. That's what I was basing those comments on. Yeh, the pockets are small but the 1L is all I ever carry. Any questions just hit me on IG.
MattShafter gotcha. You must be more diligent about cal/oz and keeping food volume down haha. I suppose I could probably make 6 days work but I never tried.
@@DanStenziano Evidently I'm getting notifications now. That load out had a Trailstar tarp that rode outside too, so there's internal volume gone as well.
Down balaclava ftw. I know a lot of folks dont like Aliexpress, but you can get them there for $15 and quality is top notch.
I was completely surprised at how good the Ali Express balaclava was. I need to do an entire video on it.
How did you end up liking the Katadyn BeFree? I love mine! It absolutely amazed me compared to the flow rate of the sawyer squeeze.... I found the water to be just as clean, but admittedly I always treated the water chemically every time too, just to be safe.
I really liked it. I LOST the damn bag in a river and can't get a replacement, which honestly is pretty stupid of Katadyn. It was appreciably slower after one month though. If I had a bag I would try to vinegar clean the filter! lol
Great gear! Could you do a full review on that JMT jacket? Thanks!
I totally need to, school is super busy though.
I've actually been looking at getting myself the 50L version. You mentioned not getting it without the external sleep pad pockets, why is that? Wouldn't the stock bungee cord system server the same purpose? What about an internal sleeve for the pad? Thanks for the awesome content, Matt!
Oh yeh, the outside bungee would work too, I forgot he had that option. An internal sleeve pad wouldn't allow for as easy access during breaks. Thanks for the kind words!
Thanks!
it would be nice if you spoke about how much these things weigh
It's all in the lighterpack link in the descrption.
The Vargo spikes. Have you used them, and are they a yes or no? (Planning a PCT thru and have microspikes for the Sierra, but will go lighter if I can.)
Buy the new ones. See my video on it.
You claim that this is about as low as you can go weight-wise without significantly sacrificing comfort and that may be true, for now. Much of the lightness that has become available in recent years has come from creative companies as they found new techniques and materials to work with. When I started hiking, tents were made of canvas and weighed a ton. Now they are made of cuben fiber and weight less than my watch. What will the next few years bring? Will you be able to assemble a sub-five-pound with "full comfort?" I suspect you will.
You could be right. This stuff is advancing all the time.
Maybe but there are decreasing marginal returns inherent to these products
Lot of great ideas in here for me, thanks for the great vid. Amazing that all comes in at 7lbs! 😎
I do a 5 and a half pound full comfort ( for me) its not so bad
KS Ultralight KS40 packs seem so difficult to navigate the options and get a good grasp of what's going on. Can you be specific about the options on your pack for me?
Yeh, his website frustrates some. Just be patient. I did this top strap, cord load lifters, 210 body with 500 cordura bottom, frame stays, 4 bottom loops, strong mech back pocket, external pad pockets. I think that's it.
Thanks!
Respect you can hike so light but I just can’t get in to the UL 10lbs range and be comfortable 😕 I’m currently sitting at 14-15lbs base weight for British summer hiking. Cuben gear would knock 2-3lbs off quicker than emptying my bank account tho. I just don’t know how to shed those few extra pounds, be comfortable and not be skint? I think there are times to concede that it’s just not possible?
Bushcraft1974 Are you Canadian? Look to Northen Ultralight for packs. BC for me would be a 9lbs baseweight. I wouldn't do 7lbs everywhere, it's always different.
MattShafter I’m from England....currently having the longest hottest Sunniest Summer on record I think! It’s not always like that so have to pack accordingly.
Well, 14lbs is pretty good. I've always thought that 12lbs is where is starts to get really good. In UK conditions I would carry about 8.5pounds of stuff, all geared at mitigating rain and partially exposed conditions.
How do you carry the fuel for the alcohol stove? Im trying to find a good light way. I've used some urine sample glasses(3cl/1ounce per glass) but the lid has cracked on me once.
Urine samples!!! Love it! I use vape juice bottles or cheap water 8oz water bottles.
Use an empty water bottle, it’s the lightest cheapest option available
Hey Matt, I looked on Amazon for the polycryo but didn't find it. Would you pls share the link ? Thanks!
Hit my lighterpack in the description and it's linked on "Ground Sheet."
Thank you!
How heavy is your Nemo tensor ? Therma rest is 12 oz . Nemo was 1.03 lb online- true?
Mine has been cut down! I put my pack or extra gear under my feet.
Digging the Ginger Runner Buff.
Garrett Main Him and his wife have good design ideas!
How much $$ was that configuration for the pack? I looked on the website but it wasn't in US dollars. Thank you
Configure the pack and use Google to convert from Japanese yen to US dollars. For example, "25000 yen to usd."
Thanks for the video Matt. If your base weight is only 7 lbs and your total weight is 25 lbs, you must be carrying a ton of food and water!!!???
Yep! 7lbs + 4lbs of water + 6-7days of food sometimes. Or there’s a bear can, axe, or spikes.
Impressive. With the hip belt you won't even know you have this thing on. Only thing I don't agree with is the sleeping with your food. That's just trouble but hey different strokes for different folks. Mice will ruin your kit in a hurry and that's my sermon. Thanks for sharing!
I put my food in an opsak right at my feet and no camp critter has ever targeted it. It's a risk though, no doubt.
Would be nice to live somewere that i could get away with so little gear! To wet and cold here in the uk most of the year for that level of gear maybe 3 weeks a year.
the gear shed Yeh, London sits latitudinally where Winnipeg Canada is, so most of the UK is quite a bit more north than where this stuff is meant for. This kit could handle the temperature but the rain strategy would change.
MattShafter so true would go much bigger shelter wise as more tent is better when you have three solid days of rain and wind moist!!
Good details and excellent video. I like your opinion plus the fact you mention other options out there.
Yeh, I don't do videos that just show.... the "tell" is the important part.
Thanks for sharing.
You bet. Don't forget to look at the 2021 video
Watched all of it
My MAN!
Ginger Runner Buff, “Cool Points” great video enjoyed the talking points.....👍🏽👣👣👣👣👣🏔
Michael Bartlett Good catch him and his lady have good design ideas.
Love the Fosters can!
I did too but it broke way too soon. The solution I have in my newest gear vid is actually lighter that that fosters pot setup! Check it out!
I have that same pack. Love that thing! Great vid.
Jeff Swal it's been working out real well. I have a V2 I'm excited about though.
Nice video, very detailed
Thank you!
Have you taken the uninsulated Nemo tensor down to 30 degrees? I found it cold in the mid 40's.
Mine starts to get cold around 35F and by the time it's 30F i'll need my extra CCF pad underneath or on top. The tensor uninsulated has a mylar film running through it, just like the thermarest xlite so they should have similar performance. Hold your pad up (look at both sides) against sunlight and see if you have and conspicuously missing mylar spots.
Bear keg?
The King of Comfort.
I'm also the Sausage King; of Chicago.
debatable
25" wide mat? Pequeno
I would seriously buy a 30in mat if they all weren't completely out of hand weight wise. I actually carried one in Colorado and loved the thing.
Knife: Victorinox Classic or Spyderco Ladybug?
Victorinox Classic SD right now...
The Ladybug is a bit lighter.
Thumbs up for using 'heighth'.
I see no whistle and no knife or mulitool.
I've hiked thousands of miles and I have never needed either. It's only 7lbs of stuff, I could add it I suppose.
@@MattShafter Hikers have died not being able to attract the attention of rescue.
In my classes nobody goes into the woods without a whistle. It's more like the first aid kid. You hope you never need it but you bring it anyway.
Where I hike you need a knife, but I guess we hike on different trails.
The approach of many lightweight hikers is take all you possibly need but make it expensive and lightweight stuff and mine is to bring less but sturdy stuff and improvise more. I don't need to bring tent pegs, a stove, fuel, pot hangers, etc.
@@StevanOutdoor Ultralight does not have to be expensive and it's not fragile stuff. Here's one of dozens of lists outlining a cheap UL kit macon.me/shoestring/ . In my kit the cuben tent could be comprised by a freak hailstorm, but out west those don't happen when I'm making camp. And if it does, I can walk out of the situation. If I'm way up in Canada there's no way I'm bringing a cuben tent. My backpack will last 8,000 miles, didn't cost more than an REI pack, and the man making it makes good money. You're not wrong about the whistle though, my Palante V2 has a built in one on the chest strap.
Great video and equipment list!
Thanks!!! I hope you made it all the way through the video.
Frogg Toggs for street cred!
All types of cred
Very informative video. Thanks for taking the time and filming this for us.
thank you so very much for all the valuable information and links..awesome !
You're welcome Amanda
Full comfort is dependent on the location, activity and climate. Chasing weight counter is productive in my opinion, and a bit of a distraction. I mean is the activity hiking and being in the outdoors, or serching for and over paying for the lightest thing possible? Light is not always right.
World Survivalist Full comfort is dependent on location and climate, that's why I said this list is 3 season and Western US conditions. Chasing weight is the full comfort, Newtons laws tells us energy is conserved, so my 25lbs pack will always be more comfortable than a 40lb pack. It's safer as well. I don't twist ankles while struggling across rivers, I don't get taxed by heat because the load is easier. UL doesn't have to be expensive either, the only expensive item is my shelter. This 7lbs list may be a "hair" light, but even if you beefed it up it will be under 8lbs. Light is always right, if it's safe and effective.
MattShafter I'm not knocking the video buddy, looks like you have a great set up. But i think it's important to point out that you shouldn't spend your whole planning process for a trip around how light you can get your gear. Hell with a knife and a thermal bivvy and a plastic cup I could probably do a hike with nothing else. I get you mentioned 3 session and the location so probably a bit unfair of me to use your video to make my point, but I see a whole culture of people chasing ultra light and nothing else and it's a dangerous world. A friend of mine believed light was always right and had to bail out of a hike in Scotland because his gear couldn't take the changeable weather and wasn't durable enough for the terrine.
World Survivalist People should always go out prepared. Your Scottish friend for instance. I personally would go out with rain pants, Columbia Outdry jacket, two liner bags, more socks, heavier fleece, full bathtub, rain gloves. I would say my baseweight would be just under 9lbs, still very lightweight. I just encourage tradional backpackers that when they see UL geeks talking, it's not about "hey, let's see how I can almost kill myself!" It's about the lightest non stupid load out possible. My gear in the video can have me walking and sleeping in 20F weather. If it's June 1st and I'm stuck in a 10F storm at the base of Mt Whitney, something seriously screwed is happening. I always plan accordingly to the record low temperatures.
Sacrificing comfort and quality for weight it is always a big decision I can not seem to come to terms yet. No matter what i do or carry I am always close to 32 pounds, even with lightweight options. PCT will not see me there any time soon! lol.
Rody Rodriguez Don't be a bitch
There's nothing low quality about 90% of the items I use.
I too love the bug head-net! Great video! Enjoyed 🙌🏻
Gotta have it.
Dope Video! Sending blessing your way, Keep inspiring!🎒🙌🏻
Thank you!!
Thank you for sharing!
Those ultralight backpacks will not hold 35-45 lbs. without killing your back, all the weight ends up on your shoulders, not on the hips
Yeh... these HMG and Zpacks packs that say they hold 35-45 are dreaming. But for the record, I don't think ANY 45lbs pack is fun.
Hei sweet page ☺ Keep it up!
JoeDoe_ Outdoors thanks man!
Got me thinkin bout that borah now. thanks again jerk
Mittencamper Get it hoodless, and pair it with the Nunatak Balaclava. It's a box baffled hood fer f--ks sake!
You carry a large tent stake.. You don't need a poo trowel. Just double your use.
I would love to see what you stake or trekking pole hole-diggers are actually creating as compared to what a proper trowel creates.
Even with a proper trowel, an awful lot of ground types are pretty uncooperative when it comes to easily digging a deep enough hole for anything bigger than rabbit pellets; I would put good money on the bet that the overwhelming majority of non-trowel diggers do an absolute horrible and inconsiderate job of LNT pooping.
And, while we’re on the subject, I think that those super-popular ‘The Deuce’ trowels are barely a step up from stakes and poles, efficiency-wise. I bought one and loved the size and weight, but the lack of a real handle (and one that doesn’t pierce into one’s skin) made it almost impossible to dig a proper hole in many areas that I needed to...
...so back to the cheap plastic orange, 1.8 oz. trowel I went.
Bugs ruin the outdoors 😂 True story.
So true, the end.
CASH!!!
MONEY!!!
FroggToggs 4 lyfe
Sam Smith Supreme < Toggs
Many of the 10C's of survivability missing - secondary shelter (what if your tarp rips / flies away?), secondary light (what if your head torch breaks / fails?), cutting tool, fire, cordage, tape, signal mirror, whistle, cotton bandanna, metal container (to boil & carry water) (what if your bottle breaks or your filter fails?). As for your remote first-aid kit: how would you deal with haemorrhaging, large open wounds / cuts, burns, dehydration, infection, pain, strains, splinters / foreign bodies, ticks (note Mors Kochanski's wilderness kit!). And what about your toilet kit? (ANY ONE who goes into the wilderness & leaves their "waste" around ie doesn't bury it / carry it out) is the worst scumbag & should be flogged!!. 2 rather than 1 walking poles has multiple benefits beyond the obvious. Great to be "UL" but not when leaving out essential kit, which then puts rescuers lives at risk rescuing the ill-equipped & unprepared. JMHO.
RhodieFreedomCamp The 10 c's and the excellent Mors Kohanski type knowledge is for surviving, not hiking. There are thousands of people a year who hike with load outs like mine on the trails of the US and nothing happens. I've hiked north of 800 miles with this stuff and have never "cut it close," as I'm not interested in dying. If was going into REAL remoteness like the Yukon, my kit would look very different. You can't equate hiking in a state park with surviving an Alaska plane crash. As for my TP kit I simply forgot it in the video, rest assured I use LNT principles.
There was a lady a few years back that got lost off a thru trail going P and ended up dying out there. Had she a whistle or a signal mirror, or flagging tape she probably still be alive. It's easy to turn around. I think the ideas on the off chance that you need it even though you may go your whole life hiking and never need it. It only takes once. I always carry a 1 ounce rescue kit.
Yes, she was an older woman on the AT and when I walked through the area I thought of her and how sad her passing was.
MattShafter
Respectfully, her age / your miles travelled / the number of people (sheep) doing the same thing. has nothing to do with having a basic 10C's survival kit. Ask the outdoors / wilderness survival EXPERTS. Your PMA goes in your favour; but it just takes ONE time & something unpredictable for things to go bum up VERY quickly, then not only are you in danger, but your rescuers (think of them if not you). Better to have & not need, than need & not have. Peace.
Try 0 pounds
I carry that everyday when i'm hiking around the house.
Straight buck naked. 0 lbs, 0 oz, 0 shame, all the fun. Scaring people if the window is open. Priceless.
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